Tunisia: 'Islamic' gunmen shoot and kill 20 including one British Women dead

[arista]

At least 17 foreigners have been killed in a terror attack in Tunisia
Two gunmen opened fire in the capital's Bardo Museum about midday
The pair 'hunted down' tourists indiscriminately in the shocking attack
Another 30 people were held hostage before police raided the building
Both attackers and a policeman were killed in the ensuing shootout
Tunisian Prime Minister Habib Essid has warned other gunmen are at large


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3000614/Tourists-shot-dead-Tunisia-Bardo-Museum.html#ixzz3Ul5tHu7i

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/18/26C53A7400000578-3000614-image-a-24_1426698193539.jpg


They picked the Museum as its full of International Tourist

Evil I.S .

[Crimson Dynamo]

A tweet sent from pro-ISIS Twitter accounts accurately predicted the Tunisia terror attack, raising the possibility the terror group were behind the atrocity.

Sent just hours before the gunmen opened fire on the popular museum tone tweet read: 'Coming good news to Tunisia's Muslims, and a shock to the disbelievers and the hypocrites, especially those who claim to be cultured.'

Islam and its followers again


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3000614/Tourists-shot-dead-Tunisia-Bardo-Museum.html#ixzz3Ul75s6Pc

[andybigbro]

This is shocking!

This ISIS thing is getting way out of hand. They need to be stopped. Fast.

[Nedusa]

This is shocking!

This ISIS thing is getting way out of hand. They need to be stopped. Fast.

Thirty Years from now the Islamic State leaders will be sipping tea in the White House rose garden with the US President.

[arista]

19 people killed

2 locals

17 Tourists
from Spain and Poland

At least the killers were Shot dead.

Ref : Ch4HDNews

[Crimson Dynamo]

and the lesson is. do not visit Islamic countries

[MTVN]

Sad that Tunisia is at risk of being engulfed in the extremism that surrounds them, they are really the only semi-stable country to have emerged out of that glorious 'Arab Spring'

[Livia]

Sad to hear this, I've had some great times in Tunisia and I bet it'll stop a lot of people going.

[Ninastar]

Horrific. RIP to all those killed. Sadly I think the worst is still yet to come. And it will be a lot closer to home.

[Gstar]

Someone I know flew out to Tunisia today :worry:

[DemolitionRed]

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) advise against all travel to certain parts of Tunisia... https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/tunisia

[Crimson Dynamo]

More reason to holiday in the UK

[Livia]

The gunmen carried out this action apparently because of Tunisia's reliance on tourism. Seems to me that for people to now stop going is playing into the hands of the terrorists. It wouldn't stop me going, it's probably safer now than it was a couple of days ago.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1448273/british-woman-killed-in-tunisia-attack-report


British Woman Killed In Tunisia Attack - Report

[Cherie]

The gunmen carried out this action apparently because of Tunisia's reliance on tourism. Seems to me that for people to now stop going is playing into the hands of the terrorists. It wouldn't stop me going, it's probably safer now than it was a couple of days ago.

That is fine, but for families its is a big decision to risk the lives of children for a week round the pool, my friend was due to go with her family for a second time in August I doubt she will go now, not with teenagers and an 8 year old, I know I wouldn't and I would normally say it could happen anywhere, but in this instance no.

[Livia]

That is fine, but for families its is a big decision to risk the lives of children for a week round the pool, my friend was due to go with her family for a second time in August I doubt she will go now, not with teenagers and an 8 year old, I know I wouldn't and I would normally say it could happen anywhere, but in this instance no.

People still visit Egypt and they've had their fair share of violence. You can stay at home and get blown up on the Tube, as we know. Of course it's everyone's individual choice.

[Kizzy]

If the government are advising you don't then you'd be silly to ignore that imo.

[Cherie]

People still visit Egypt and they've had their fair share of violence. You can stay at home and get blown up on the Tube, as we know. Of course it's everyone's individual choice.

Yeah I know all that :umm2: my point is when you have children you have responsibilities and taking them on holiday to a country where there is unrest especially an Islamic one, and it is surrounded by other countries where there is unrest is unwise imo.

[Livia]

It only happened yesterday, of course the government is being cautious. If people chose to go, I personally wouldn't call them "silly".

[Livia]

Yeah I know all that :umm2: my point is when you have children you have responsibilities and taking them on holiday to a country where there is unrest especially an Islamic one, and it is surrounded by other countries where there is unrest is unwise imo.

Tunisia has always been surrounded by Algeria and Libya and people have taken their kids there because it's cheap even though Arab Spring started in Tunisia. If they don't want to now, that's their choice. I'm not insisting they go.

[Kizzy]

It only happened yesterday, of course the government is being cautious. If people chose to go, I personally wouldn't call them "silly".

It is silly, if there is a governmental warning in place then the threat level has been lifted significantly in that specific area. If the threat was as immediate and severe in the tourist destinations of Egypt I'm sure the advise would be the same.

[Cherie]

Tunisia has always been surrounded by Algeria and Libya and people have taken their kids there because it's cheap even though Arab Spring started in Tunisia. If they don't want to now, that's their choice. I'm not insisting they go.


No you are not insisting they go, you are saying it is playing into the terrorists hands not to go as the terrorist intention is to sink the Tunisian economy which relies heavily on tourism, and whilst that is all well and good some people have other factors to take into consideration, personally I would go, but I wouldn't take my kids, I have never taken them to Egypt either for similar reasons.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/19/26CC4F0500000578-3002147-Briton_Sally_Jane_Adey_57_was_killed_in_the_attack _while_on_a_ho-m-4_1426770849304.jpg
[Briton Sally Jane Adey, 57, was killed in the attack while on a holiday cruise
which had docked in Tunis while on holiday with her husband Rob, who survived]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3002147/They-shot-moved-Tourists-caught-Tunisian-museum-massacre-reveal-gunmen-slaughtered-indiscriminately-father-forced-watch-wife-child-killed.html#ixzz3Uq73vk00

[Livia]

It is silly, if there is a governmental warning in place then the threat level has been lifted significantly in that specific area. If the threat was as immediate and severe in the tourist destinations of Egypt I'm sure the advise would be the same.

Of course there's a government warning it only happened yesterday. I am fully aware of the dangers of hostile environments, spending a significant amount of my working time in Israel, so a couple of random gunmen in Tunisia will not stop me going there. But thanks for stating the obvious in case there are any idiots reading this.

[arista]

Someone I know flew out to Tunisia today :worry:



I hope they have a Great Time.


At least now 4 others arrested
that knew of these 2 killers

[Kizzy]

Of course there's a government warning it only happened yesterday. I am fully aware of the dangers of hostile environments, spending a significant amount of my working time in Israel, so a couple of random gunmen in Tunisia will not stop me going there. But thanks for stating the obvious in case there are any idiots reading this.

Yes it did only happen yesterday so to plough ahead with any plans to go before the threat has been fully assessed would indeed be silly. Having to go somewhere on business is slightly different from families choosing to go to an area with terrorist activity on holiday atm.
Nobody knows if the attack was 'random' yet do they?
To be forewarned it to be four armed... and all four of my arms would be cancelling my flights.

[billy123]

More reason to holiday in the UKNo its not.
More reason to holiday there unless you want them to have the desired effect.
People shouldn't wimp out.
Fearmongering is how these gimps work. I am due to be in Tunisia for work in September and have no reservations about going ahead with my visit and will be combining business with pleasure.
Tunisia is a fantastic place.

[Livia]

No its not.
More reason to holiday there unless you want them to have the desired effect.
People shouldn't wimp out.
Fearmongering is how these gimps work. I am due to be in Tunisia for work in September and have no reservations about going ahead with my visit and will be combining business with pleasure.
Tunisia is a fantastic place.

Quite right Bob.

[Kizzy]

Would you take your children bob?

[Northern Monkey]

No you are not insisting they go, you are saying it is playing into the terrorists hands not to go as the terrorist intention is to sink the Tunisian economy which relies heavily on tourism, and whilst that is all well and good some people have other factors to take into consideration, personally I would go, but I wouldn't take my kids, I have never taken them to Egypt either for similar reasons.

Me too.I was in Cairo and Luxor not long before the trouble started over there.I remember seeing the news over there and some Christians were shot while we were there.
I would'nt take my family to Cairo at the moment and specially not Tunisia.I would take them somewhere on the Red Sea but not to the inner cities just yet.I would go with friends but not my misses or kids.

[billy123]

Would you take your children bob?Yes absolutely have taken my stepdaughter in the past and would again. Why do you ask?
have you ever taken your kids to London? Have you ever taken your kids to Manchester?

[arista]

Its now Confirmed
this was a Isis Attack.

[Kizzy]

Yes absolutely have taken my stepdaughter in the past and would again. Why do you ask?
have you ever taken your kids to London? Have you ever taken your kids to Manchester?

There was no issue in the past...The question is now under the current conditions would you at the moment?

[billy123]

There was no issue in the past...The question is now under the current conditions would you at the moment?
I think i answered that in my previous post.
The question stands would you take your kids to London or Manchester?
Yes i would.

[billy123]

The Tragic incident in Tunisia will and is being hijacked by the right wingers to try and spread fear and to try and further their racist agenda.
Transparent and idiotic in equal measures.

[kirklancaster]

Yes absolutely have taken my stepdaughter in the past and would again. Why do you ask?
have you ever taken your kids to London? Have you ever taken your kids to Manchester?

:clap1: Excellent reasoning. It is probably as safe in Tunisia as anywhere.

[Kizzy]

The question stands would you take your kids to London or Manchester?
Yes i would.

Of course I would, nobody has walked into a museum and shot dead a room full of people have they? So it's not even slightly comparable....

The deaths in Tunis are real and if you feel that it's worth the risk to go at this moment in time fair play, personally if I were responsible for the safety of others I wouldn't right now.

[billy123]

:clap1: Excellent reasoning. It is probably as safe in Tunisia as anywhere.Thank you Kirk.
Glad to see you posting. We Probably got off to as bad a start on here as is possible :laugh: But i accept that is down to me. Im an argumentative bugger even when im wrong.
I never hold a grudge with anyone and hopefully you can just brush me off when im annoying you too. :joker:
There i wanted to tell you that for a while now :)
Your input on tibb is much appreciated.

[billy123]

Of course I would, nobody has walked into a museum and shot dead a room full of people have they? So it's not even slightly comparable....

The deaths in Tunis are real and if you feel that it's worth the risk to go at this moment in time fair play, personally if I were responsible for the safety of others I wouldn't right now.
And no group of suicide bombers have walked onto a bunch of trains and and a bus and killed themselves lots of other innocent people in Tunisia either.
Whats the difference? Was that not real?

[Kizzy]

The difference is we don't have the same level of religious and economic tension at the moment.


'Political situation

Tunisia has experienced unprecedented political and social change since its revolution in January 2011. Legislative elections took place in October 2014, and Beji Caid Essebsi became the country’s first democratically elected President in December 2014. A new government was approved in parliament on 5 February 2015.

'Demonstrations sparked by political, religious or economic tensions may still occur. They can happen at any time and anywhere. Most protests are peaceful but some have affected key services and there are occasional incidents of violence and damage to property. There have also been incidents of protest on major roads designed to cause traffic delays and disruption. While demonstrations are not normally aimed at foreigners, international events can trigger anti-western protests.'

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/tunisia/safety-and-security

[MTVN]

Tunisia isn't as safe as anywhere though, its in a region which is incredibly volatile right now and surrounded by countries plagued by extremism. Hopefully they can retain a semblance of stability where their neighbours have been unable to but it is going to be very tough for them. Obviously its peoples own decision to make but a holiday to Tunisia is a luxury. If the price of keeping yourself and your family safe is to pick a different holiday destination this year then its one that most people will be happy to pay

[JoshBB]

A tweet sent from pro-ISIS Twitter accounts accurately predicted the Tunisia terror attack, raising the possibility the terror group were behind the atrocity.

Sent just hours before the gunmen opened fire on the popular museum tone tweet read: 'Coming good news to Tunisia's Muslims, and a shock to the disbelievers and the hypocrites, especially those who claim to be cultured.'

Islam and its followers again


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3000614/Tourists-shot-dead-Tunisia-Bardo-Museum.html#ixzz3Ul75s6Pc

these twitter accounts should be investigated.

but it is not a thing of islam, it is a thing of ISIS.

[billy123]

these twitter accounts should be investigated.

but it is not a thing of islam, it is a thing of ISIS.Maybe if The powers that be hadn't shot their load trying to locate file sharers they might still be in a position to be able to tell where peoples internet connections are coming from and be able to track them down.
I forget these days where i am posting from. I think its Canada but it might be Belgium.

[kirklancaster]

Thank you Kirk.
Glad to see you posting. We Probably got off to as bad a start on here as is possible :laugh: But i accept that is down to me. Im an argumentative bugger even when im wrong.
I never hold a grudge with anyone and hopefully you can just brush me off when im annoying you too. :joker:
There i wanted to tell you that for a while now :)

Sincere thanks Bob, but I think l can also come across as too extreme - especially when it comes to terrorism - so it's my fault as well. Main thing is we're pals now.

I'm still on here but not posting as much, but it's good to read other's views still.

Cheers Bob.

[Cherie]

Tunisia isn't as safe as anywhere though, its in a region which is incredibly volatile right now and surrounded by countries plagued by extremism. Hopefully they can retain a semblance of stability where their neighbours have been unable to but it is going to be very tough for them. Obviously its peoples own decision to make but a holiday to Tunisia is a luxury. If the price of keeping yourself and your family safe is to pick a different holiday destination this year then its one that most people will be happy to pay

Exactly

[Kizzy]

Yep it's a :clap1: from me too.

[arista]

France24 Live
said Tunisia is expected to lose around 700Million Dollars
due to this Evil attack on Tourists

[Livia]

Not sure how they can predict how much money will be lost until they see how Tunisia handles this.

[billy123]

Tunisia isn't as safe as anywhere though, its in a region which is incredibly volatile right now and surrounded by countries plagued by extremism. Hopefully they can retain a semblance of stability where their neighbours have been unable to but it is going to be very tough for them. Obviously its peoples own decision to make but a holiday to Tunisia is a luxury. If the price of keeping yourself and your family safe is to pick a different holiday destination this year then its one that most people will be happy to pay
Exactly
Yep it's a :clap1: from me too.
The UK is far more Volatile when it comes to terror attacks both historically and presently.
Is Tunisia really more Volatile than the UK? I dont think it is what do you base that statement on?

edit: After a quick dig i can only find three incidents of terrorism in Tunisia's history (including yesterday)
Sounds safer than the UK but lets not let a good old Knee Jerk reaction go to waste eh. Thats what they want.

[Kazanne]

Just seen this ,that lady lives not far from me!!! (Telford)shocked and was planning a holiday in Tunisia next May(2016) doubt it will be top of our list now,those poor people.

[Cherie]

The UK is far more Volatile when it comes to terror attacks both historically and presently.
Is Tunisia really more Volatile than the UK? I dont think it is what do you base that statement on?

Everywhere is a potential target at the moment, however some areas are more volatile than others, it's like walking around in some areas after dark, just something you would avoid if you didn't have to do it, applying common sense in other words, this isn't some anti Muslim stance btw, I wouldn't have gone to Northern Ireland during the troubles either.

[MTVN]

The UK is far more Volatile when it comes to terror attacks both historically and presently.
Is Tunisia really more Volatile than the UK? I dont think it is what do you base that statement on?

Well look at its borders: neighboured by a Libya that has descended into anarchy and now has a strong ISIS presence, and an Algeria which has had big problems with terrorism for decades. Tunisia is also the country that provided the most foreign fighters to ISIS. They did seem to make a comparatively smooth transition after the Arab Spring but they are still fairly unstable and at risk of going the same way as other countries in the region

[arista]

Not sure how they can predict how much money will be lost until they see how Tunisia handles this.


Today Loads of Trips and Tours
were Cancelled

Thats how they get the 700Million Dollars number

[Nedusa]

I hate to say it, but I fear it's game over for Tunisia's tourist industry .

[Livia]

In 1997, 62 people, mostly tourists, were gunned down by Islamist terrorists in the Valley of the Kings, Egypt. Egypt's tourist industry is still thriving. I see no reason Tunisia's tourist industry won't recover in the same way. Of all the Islamic countries I've visited, and I've been to a few... Tunisia is by far the most relaxed and inclusive. I hope people support them. I will for one.

[Nedusa]

In 1997, 62 people, mostly tourists, were gunned down by Islamist terrorists in the Valley of the Kings, Egypt. Egypt's tourist industry is still thriving. I see no reason Tunisia's tourist industry won't recover in the same way. Of all the Islamic countries I've visited, and I've been to a few... Tunisia is by far the most relaxed and inclusive. I hope people support them. I will for one.

Well let's hope this incident doesn't kill off Tunisia's Tourist Industry as it would send a signal to the terrorists that they have won.

[Livia]

That's true, Nedusa. I suppose it'll take a while and mostly depend on how the Tunisians handle the aftermath.

[Kizzy]

It will recover if the threat of terrorist activity and political upheaval subsides, and when it does I'm sure the tourists will be back in droves.

[Cherie]

Of course in time people forget that is natural but for now the terrorists have scored a victory with most if not all of the cruise companies pulling Tunis as a destination stop. Best get packing Livia they need you.

[Livia]

Of course in time people forget that is natural but for now the terrorists have scored a victory with most if not all of the cruise companies pulling Tunis as a destination stop. Best get packing Livia they need you.

Maybe later in the year. I have other plans right now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

126 killed in Yemen today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31983627

also a woman was lynched and set on fire in Kabul for burning a koran (happens all the time in Pakistan, sadly)

essentially if you want to kill someone, get a few folks with you and start the lie that the person burned a koran, combine that with uneducated masses and hey presto you have a death

[arista]

126 killed in Yemen today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31983627

also a woman was lynched and set on fire in Kabul for burning a koran (happens all the time in Pakistan, sadly)

essentially if you want to kill someone, get a few folks with you and start the lie that the person burned a koran, combine that with uneducated masses and hey presto you have a death


Evil killers out there
sadly