Farage chased out of pub while having a family lunch

[MTVN]

Anti-UKIP protesters have invaded a pub in south London where party leader Nigel Farage was having lunch.

Mr Farage was in the Queen's Head in Downe with his wife and two younger children at the time.

Demonstrators first went to the George & Dragon, believing it to be Mr Farage's local, before they found him.

They said they chased the family out of the pub and jumped on the politician's car bonnet as he drove away. Mr Farage later branded them "scum".

Mr Farage, who is standing in Kent's Thanet South constituency in May's general election, said: "I hope these 'demonstrators' are proud of themselves. My children were so scared by their behaviour that they ran away to hide.

"... A relative has gone to look for them, and they are not yet at home. These people are scum."

Mr Farage's children aged 15 and 10 were understood to have later been found.

Protest organiser Dan Glass said the group was in fancy dress to stage "a cabaret of diversity" and included migrants, HIV activists, gay people, disabled people and breastfeeding mothers.

He said about 100 people took part, and added: "UKIP are a con. They pretend to be anti-establishment but this couldn't be further from the truth.

"By wrongfully shifting the blame for the economic crisis on to immigrants they have let the bankers off the hook."

He said that was why the "diverse communities" had taken their cultures to Mr Farage's local pub.

Staff at the Queen's Head refused to comment. The George & Dragon said protesters had initially claimed they were there for a birthday party.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32009961

Can't stand Farage but protesters like this annoy me more, in what way is this a legitimate protest. Wonder who will garner more sympathy; the baying mob aggressively attacking anyone they disagree with or the bloke who is taking his family down the local pub for a Sunday roast. Know who I'd rather have in my town

[Tom4784]

Bunch of morons. They're just going to make him look sympathetic.

[Livia]

Like MTVN, I'm not a fan of Farage, but this is disgusting.

[smudgie]

Scumbags.
They may not like his policies etc, but his family are off limits.
As said above, moronic behaviour.

[Kizzy]

Shocking! I know he's a twonk but this crosses a line :(

[JoshBB]

****ing idiots

i hate farage but this was bad for so many reasons:

1) let him enjoy a day out with his family
2) he is entitled to a private life
3) his family are not him
4) this will more than likely get him sympathy and possibly votes

[joeysteele]

Can't stand Farage but protesters like this annoy me more, in what way is this a legitimate protest. Wonder who will garner more sympathy; the baying mob aggressively attacking anyone they disagree with or the bloke who is taking his family down the local pub for a Sunday roast. Know who I'd rather have in my town

I agree with all that MTVN.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fking morons

Nigels should get security like the other muppets

[arista]

Fking morons

Nigels should get security like the other muppets

He did have one man protecting him
but of course needs a few more

[MTVN]

A rare moment of TiBB Serious Debates consensus it seems :spin:

[Black Dagger]

Egg the bastard!!!!

[Kizzy]

A rare moment of TiBB Serious Debates consensus it seems :spin:

I disagree ;)

[GiRTh]

A rare moment of TiBB Serious Debates consensus it seems :spin:Not quite.

This type of things happens to politicians all over the world, and as much has we all agree its not a nice thing to do, its the kind of thing Farage can expect from now on. Welcome to the limelight Mr Farage you are now truly in the spotlight.

[arista]

Egg the bastard!!!!


No I will Egg You

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/3/22/379246/default/v1/metro-p1-mar-23-2-1-720x960.jpg

[Mystic Mock]

He didn't bank on that happening to him I bet.:hehe:

Being serious of course they shouldn't go around attacking his family, but the protesters have a point when he lets Bankers off the hook for causing the recession.

[Marsh.]

Egg the bastard!!!!

No I will Egg You

:joker:

[empire]

looks like the uaf brown shirts are, at it again, when will they learn that everyone has the right to tell their views, if it offends them or not, middle class kids who have not done a days work in their life,

[Jake.]

Egg the bastard!!!!

No I will Egg You

:joker::joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

and what is sad is that if the left wing twats had actually listened to what he said on breastfeeding (when asked) but no lets just listen to facebook and get mad

smh

[MTVN]

Not quite.

This type of things happens to politicians all over the world, and as much has we all agree its not a nice thing to do, its the kind of thing Farage can expect from now on. Welcome to the limelight Mr Farage you are now truly in the spotlight.

Not really, politicians shouldn't expect to come under attack when out with their wife and kids. When was the last time this happened to a British politician?

[user104658]

Not really, politicians shouldn't expect to come under attack when out with their wife and kids. When was the last time this happened to a British politician?

When was the last time a party as openly foul as UKIP were anything more than a minor annoyance in UK politics?

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Farage was with his wife and two younger children when the demonstrators arrived at the George & Dragon pub. As he tried to leave, at least one protester jumped on the bonnet of his car."

So the Guardian headline the story

Farage calls anti-Ukip protesters who forced him out of pub 'scum'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/22/farage-calls-anti-ukip-protesters-who-forced-him-out-of-pub-scum


and people read that paper and think they are liberal freethinkers?

joke

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/23/01/26E5442F00000578-3006560-Demonstrators_had_previously_descended_on_the_Geor ge_Dragon_wher-m-62_1427072899469.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

"the group was in fancy dress to stage "a cabaret of diversity" and included migrants, HIV activists, gay people, disabled people and breastfeeding mothers."


:hehe:

[Nedusa]

Fcuking Morons...............but it will work against them as people see Nigel and his family as victims of these loony left wing liberal arseholes....

More people will think this is a personal attack on him because of his Political views, views that many, many people are now voicing.

So you attack him you attack us...........just wait till Polling day, we need change and we will get it.

[Kizzy]

Don't forget this is the man who thinks the NHS should be up to the highest bidder...Let's not be too hasty :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Don't forget this is the mad who thinks the NHS should be up to the highest bidder...Let's not be too hasty :/

that is not true kizzy unless you have links to where he has said so or a policy link?

[empire]

when jesse ventura was governor, in america, his children where attacked, his son would walk to school alone, when some party supporters threw a couple of rocks at him, shouted abuse at him, even the media attacked his children

[Livia]

that is not true kizzy unless you have links to where he has said so or a policy link?

No link yet?

[GiRTh]

Not really, politicians shouldn't expect to come under attack when out with their wife and kids. When was the last time this happened to a British politician?You are right they should not expect this but people have the right to protest when and where they want. As I pointed out politicians all over the globe have to deal with similar protests. Did you laugh or did you have a similar view when George W Bush had a protestors shoes thrown at him. I laughed and I bet you did too. If Mr Farage doesn't like it then he can always get out of politics.

[Anaesthesia]

You are right they should not expect this but people have the right to protest when and where they want. As I pointed out politicians all over the globe have to deal with similar protests. Did you laugh or did you have a similar view when George W Bush had a protestors shoes thrown at him. I laughed and I bet you did too. If Mr Farage doesn't like it then he can always get out of politics.

People have a right to PEACEFUL protest. People also have a right to enjoy time with their family away from work. You can attack me all you want if I'm at work (a la Bush) but don't ever confuse private and public lives.

[Samm]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/23/01/26E5442F00000578-3006560-Demonstrators_had_previously_descended_on_the_Geor ge_Dragon_wher-m-62_1427072899469.jpg

Screaming yasss drag it

[empire]

jumping on someone's car window, and sitting on top of it, is really childish,some of them left wing marxist types, are real thugs,

[kirklancaster]

Fcuking Morons...............but it will work against them as people see Nigel and his family as victims of these loony left wing liberal arseholes....

More people will think this is a personal attack on him because of his Political views, views that many, many people are now voicing.

So you attack him you attack us...........just wait till Polling day, we need change and we will get it.

Have you noticed what a motley bunch of ugly misfits they all are? They should be hiding indoors during daylight hanging upside down from the rafters, not out terrorising legitimate and law-abiding members of society.

I can just envisage the hysterical ranting from the looney left or PC liberal 'bleeding hearts' had it been one of these vile bastards, or an innocent black or Muslim family who had been accosted by a mob in identical circumstances.

Fecking cretins.

[Anaesthesia]

What frightens me is that idiots like this believe it is a legitimate way of effective protest.

I know they say any publicity is good publicity, but in this case, he was GIVEN good publicity. (Farage. I pronounce it like Garage.)

Christ, when I was with the looney left we were slightly more intelligent.

[kirklancaster]

You are right they should not expect this but people have the right to protest when and where they want. As I pointed out politicians all over the globe have to deal with similar protests. Did you laugh or did you have a similar view when George W Bush had a protestors shoes thrown at him. I laughed and I bet you did too. If Mr Farage doesn't like it then he can always get out of politics.

There is a huge difference in one man throwing shoes at a politician who is at work and a mob accosting a man out for a quiet lunch with his family. If I had been there, I swear to God I would be in a cell now and a few of the ugly misfits would have teeth missing.

Mob law is no law.

[kirklancaster]

What frightens me is that idiots like this believe it is a legitimate way of effective protest.

I know they say any publicity is good publicity, but in this case, he was GIVEN good publicity. (Farage. I pronounce it like Garage.)

Christ, when I was with the looney left we were slightly more intelligent.

And more conventionally 'human' looking. :hehe:

[Mystic Mock]

Farage and his party haven't shown respect to a lot of groups in the UK so why should they show any respect back to him? And no I'm not a looney left person either, I'm just someone with some common sense.

The only people I feel sorry for here are Farage's family.

[Livia]

His family are in that car. The protestors are breaking several laws so I see nothing here that resembles a peaceful protest. And yet I'd bet the protestors will whine about not being allowed to protest or some other twaddle. None of the leaders should have to deal with this, no matter what party they represent.

[Kizzy]

No link yet?



If Mr Trumpet wants some information from me he can send me a PM and ask for it, I will be happy to oblige him.
I can't see he would require you to snipe at me in threads

[kirklancaster]

If Mr Trumpet wants some information from me he can send me a PM and ask for it, I will be happy to oblige him.
I can't see he would require you to snipe at me in threads

:laugh: And this coming from someone who has asked me for proof of the truthful statements I made on several threads. :shrug:

[Livia]

If Mr Trumpet wants some information from me he can send me a PM and ask for it, I will be happy to oblige him.
I can't see he would require you to snipe at me in threads

You could post the link in the thread as everyone's interested to see it. Trumpet asked for a link, I'd like to see one too.

[Kizzy]

that is not true kizzy unless you have links to where he has said so or a policy link?



'Nigel Farage has suggested that the NHS might have to be replaced by a system of private health insurance within 10 years.

The Ukip leader was forced to back down and declare his party’s support for a state-funded health service last November after a film emerged of him backing a switch to an insurance system. After Labour claimed that Ukip would privatise the NHS, he admitted he had not carried his Ukip colleagues with him.'


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-nhs-might-have-to-be-replaced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html

[Mystic Mock]

His family are in that car. The protestors are breaking several laws so I see nothing here that resembles a peaceful protest. And yet I'd bet the protestors will whine about not being allowed to protest or some other twaddle. None of the leaders should have to deal with this, no matter what party they represent.

Well as UKIP, Tories, and Labour are out to harass and antagonise certain groups of people then I think it's only fair that they do it back to the parties.

[Kizzy]

You could post the link in the thread as everyone's interested to see it. Trumpet asked for a link, I'd like to see one too.

I have provided that for you now, you were all seemingly incapable of finding that ... strange as he's not exactly hiding the fact.

[Livia]

'Nigel Farage has suggested that the NHS might have to be replaced by a system of private health insurance within 10 years.

The Ukip leader was forced to back down and declare his party’s support for a state-funded health service last November after a film emerged of him backing a switch to an insurance system. After Labour claimed that Ukip would privatise the NHS, he admitted he had not carried his Ukip colleagues with him.'


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-nhs-might-have-to-be-replaced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html

So... the operative words are that he was forced to back down and declare his party's support for a state-funded health service.

[Livia]

Well as UKIP, Tories, and Labour are out to harass and antagonise certain groups of people then I think it's only fair that they do it back to the parties.

Not when their family is in the car.

[Kizzy]

So... the operative words are that he was forced to back down and declare his party's support for a state-funded health service.

Did you look at the article?.... it went on.

'Now Mr Farage has revived the idea, saying his party will have to “return” to it after the May general election. In a BBC Radio 4 interview to be broadcast today, he said: “I triggered a debate within Ukip that was outright rejected by my colleagues, so I have to accept that. As time goes on, this is a debate that we’re all going to have to return to.”

You can ignore it but the fact is he obviously has this as a plan.

[kirklancaster]

'Nigel Farage has suggested that the NHS might have to be replaced by a system of private health insurance within 10 years.

The Ukip leader was forced to back down and declare his party’s support for a state-funded health service last November after a film emerged of him backing a switch to an insurance system. After Labour claimed that Ukip would privatise the NHS, he admitted he had not carried his Ukip colleagues with him.'


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-nhs-might-have-to-be-replaced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html

With respect, I have analysed the linked article and your original statement would appear to be grossly exaggerated; "Don't forget this is the mad who thinks the NHS should be up to the highest bidder.."

The article does not suggest that at all -- in my opinion.

[Livia]

Maybe you should have posted that quote first?

Still not a definite plan though. It's not even being debated as a plan. And let's face it, he'll never get enough power to bring it in even if his party agree to it. Which they probably won't ever.

[Kizzy]

With respect, I have analysed the linked article and your original statement would appear to be grossly exaggerated; "Don't forget this is the mad who thinks the NHS should be up to the highest bidder.."

The article does not suggest that at all -- in my opinion.

Oh you can argue the semantics of my post till you're blue in the face I'm not interested.
I was asked to provide proof of his view on the future of the NHS and I have, I'm drawing a line under this now.

[Kizzy]

Maybe you should have posted that quote first?

Still not a definite plan though. It's not even being debated as a plan. And let's face it, he'll never get enough power to bring it in even if his party agree to it. Which they probably won't ever.

Maybe I can post as I see fit, I don't have to pander to anyone.

You can believe it or don't ... That's your issue.
I hope to god they won't, no argument from me there.

[Mystic Mock]

Not when their family is in the car.

Well he should think about that when he spouts prejudice rubbish to protect his precious little Banker Buddies if he wants to keep his family safe.

[bots]

Well he should think about that when he spouts prejudice rubbish to protect his precious little Banker Buddies if he wants to keep his family safe.

Really? What prejudice rubbish? Are people not entitled to believe and want imigration controls etc? Nothing prejudice there. It is everyones right to be able to go out without being harrassed

Forgive me for saying it, but with your above post, its you who is coming across as having the prejudice

[Northern Monkey]

Weirdos.Don't think i would've been so patient,That bloke on the bonnet would've been on the floor spitting teeth and bleeding if i was Farage(why i'm not a politician lol).
Bet they were all scoffing over their carrot juice and tofu sandwiches later at how proud they are about scaring some kids.Wankers.

[Kizzy]

Oh my god... suddenly farage is some all conquering hero against the 'loony' left?

That small group does not represent the 'left' nor are their actions here advocated by anyone who truly has the preservation of the NHS and/or disagree with him on any other issue at heart.

[the truth]

Can't stand Farage but protesters like this annoy me more, in what way is this a legitimate protest. Wonder who will garner more sympathy; the baying mob aggressively attacking anyone they disagree with or the bloke who is taking his family down the local pub for a Sunday roast. Know who I'd rather have in my town

reverse bigotry the feminists do it the foreigners do it now the anti ukip do it.....as long as its done against a white man its allowed otherwise its sexist or racist in this insane basket case of a country

[Vicky.]

****ing disgrace. I am far from Farage's biggest fan but this is terrible. It would be bad enough if it was just him harassed when out on his own, but his family too?

[Crimson Dynamo]

****ing disgrace. I am far from Farage's biggest fan but this is terrible. It would be bad enough if it was just him harassed when out on his own, but his family too?

:clap1:

[Kizzy]

Bad enough.... I know we're English but how else are you to show your depreciation other than vocalise it, stand there and tut? Write a strongly worded letter? ;)

[Samm]

Farage deserves it

[Northern Monkey]

Bad enough.... I know we're English but how else are you to show your depreciation other than vocalise it, stand there and tut? Write a strongly worded letter? ;)Vote for another party.Don't jump all over his bonnet like a baboon in a safari park.These people just made themselves look like immature idiots.Maybe that's what they were going for but if it's not then they've failed miserably.

[Mystic Mock]

Really? What prejudice rubbish? Are people not entitled to believe and want imigration controls etc? Nothing prejudice there. It is everyones right to be able to go out without being harrassed

Forgive me for saying it, but with your above post, its you who is coming across as having the prejudice

How? Because I don't want him attacking immigrants for the reason the whole world is suffering a recession? Because he attacks people on benefits? Or is it the fact that he won't blame the Bankers for the whole recession? Or the fact that I don't want him to allow a policy like shopkeepers being allowed to not serve customers based off prejudicial reasons?

I have plenty of reasons to dislike Farage, and all of them very valid.

[Vicky.]

Bad enough.... I know we're English but how else are you to show your depreciation other than vocalise it, stand there and tut? Write a strongly worded letter? ;)

When hes at work I have no problem with protests and such. But when hes having a day out with the family, or even an afternoon in the pub on his own..well I think it shows these twats who were 'protesting' up to be quite honest. I disagree with a lot of what he says, but this is just stupid and gains him more sympathy than anything else :shrug:

[Mystic Mock]

Farage deserves it

Exactly, his messing with peoples lives when he makes his OTT statements.

The only people that deserve sympathy here are Farage's family, anybody giving it out to the trash himself need to seriously get help imo.

[joeysteele]

Did you look at the article?.... it went on.

'Now Mr Farage has revived the idea, saying his party will have to “return” to it after the May general election. In a BBC Radio 4 interview to be broadcast today, he said: “I triggered a debate within Ukip that was outright rejected by my colleagues, so I have to accept that. As time goes on, this is a debate that we’re all going to have to return to.”

You can ignore it but the fact is he obviously has this as a plan.

I get where you are coming from Kizzy, Nigel Farage has backtracked as to the NHS several times and as you say, he was advocating private/health insurance systems at one time.

We have also seen how on a great number of occasions, where candidates for UKIP are way at odds with things Nigel Farage says anyway,hence his constant need to have to explain what the 'real' thinking is.

Were he to win a fair to good number of seats,also since it seems he can be made to backtrack rather easily, who really knows what he and the rest of UKIPs MPs would support or keep standing for as to the NHS.

It is that, the obscure detail he will not clearly spell out that leaves me very suspicious as to what UKIP overall,'not just him',would decide for the future of the NHS, given the chance.

From the confusion, he and his party have created as to it, I have my suspicions I would not like at all their plans for the NHS, so would not like to see them trusted with it at all,along with their dangerous, in my view, EU policy too.

I have my very firm view, the future of the NHS, for those who care about it, will not be safe in the Conservative party's hands,'never under David Cameron's leadership, or UKIPs now too,that is what I think.

I am pretty sure were the Lib Dems able to form a coalition govt; with Labour after May, then if Labour can still reverse any of the disastrous top down re-organisation doen in this parliament, that the Lib Dems would likely happily march into the lobby to vote to reverse what they supported over the last few years.

A Conservative majority govt; or a Conservative led govt; with UKIP support would probably see,in my view, the end of the NHS as to its founding principles.
With then in place good care for those able to finance same from wealth or health insurance
Followed with a basic healthcare for those most vulnerable.

I really see that happening under this hardline Conservative party,who I felt I couldn't belive and trust with the NHS in 2010 and have been shown to be right to have thought that way then too, and now also UKIP.
I trust neither of them and agree with you, there is a lot very unclear as to UKIP on this issue and a right to be very suspicious of them.

Voters who 'really' care about the NHS however,cannot say they weren't warned what could happen and likely will if they trust either or both of these 2 with the NHS in May.

Having said all that, I deplore these attacks on him and his family.

[bots]

How? Because I don't want him attacking immigrants for the reason the whole world is suffering a recession? Because he attacks people on benefits? Or is it the fact that he won't blame the Bankers for the whole recession? Or the fact that I don't want him to allow a policy like shopkeepers being allowed to not serve customers based off prejudicial reasons?

I have plenty of reasons to dislike Farage, and all of them very valid.

This is a democracy you know. He is not doing anything illegal, so for you to suggest its perfectly fine for him to be harassed is beyond ridiculous

[Crimson Dynamo]

Farage deserves it

what an immature comment:nono:

smh

[Mystic Mock]

This is a democracy you know. He is not doing anything illegal, so for you to suggest its perfectly fine for him to be harassed is beyond ridiculous

Of course it's a democracy, and it's my right to disagree with his opinions on a lot of things.

And actually I think some of his policies should be against the law to try and condone imo, like privatising the NHS which hurts the working class, it's attacking a whole group of people which shouldn't be allowed.

Protecting the Bankers and blaming it on people on Benefits, and foreigners is very corrupt and unfair grief being given out to these two sets of people (which nobody seems to care about when he started the whole thing off in the first place) and I remember when he had someone in his party who believed in hanging people that believed in the EU.

So yes Farage and anybody in that party can get harassed if people want to as imo they've broken many laws along with the Tories if it was Russia or a Middle East country doing the same thing.

So yes people protest, although not like the Riots.

[joeysteele]

Of course it's a democracy, and it's my right to disagree with his opinions on a lot of things.

And actually I think some of his policies should be against the law to try and condone imo, like privatising the NHS which hurts the working class, it's attacking a whole group of people which shouldn't be allowed.

Protecting the Bankers and blaming it on people on Benefits, and foreigners is very corrupt and unfair grief being given out to these two sets of people (which nobody seems to care about when he started the whole thing off in the first place) and I remember when he had someone in his party who believed in hanging people that believed in the EU.

So yes Farage and anybody in that party can get harassed if people want to as imo they've broken many laws along with the Tories if it was Russia or a Middle East country doing the same thing.

So yes people protest, although not like the Riots.

You have the right to your view and clearly you strongly dislike just about all the Nigel Farage and UKIP likely stand for, what we really know of anyway as to what they stand for.

I don't agree with the attacks on him and his family while out anywhere, however, Nigel Farage by his 'foreigner; statements and blaming immigration for near all the UKs ills has helped fuel anger and suspicion against those groups of people too.
So in a subtle way, he is causing fear and concern for other groups of people by his intolerant rhetoric towards them, as you are indicating he has done too.

That equally is something that should be abhorrent to the UK.
That too however,since UKIP is identified as occupying the far right side of politics, is coming from the right and has nothing to do with left wing loonies at all.

In the late 80s,I am told, if you blamed Europe for the problems in the UK and advocated leaving Europe, you were considered dangerous and from the loony left.
Now it is the right of politics that seek or more likely want to do that,so what does that make them in that case.

[Kizzy]

When hes at work I have no problem with protests and such. But when hes having a day out with the family, or even an afternoon in the pub on his own..well I think it shows these twats who were 'protesting' up to be quite honest. I disagree with a lot of what he says, but this is just stupid and gains him more sympathy than anything else :shrug:

Oh yes I 100% agree vicky. I said so on the thread too but but when he's out canvassing he's quite rightly going to get the full force of public opinion, the last thing this place needs is another right wing banker funded stooge.
I hope he gets that in stereo everywhere he goes.

[bots]

Of course it's a democracy, and it's my right to disagree with his opinions on a lot of things.

And actually I think some of his policies should be against the law to try and condone imo, like privatising the NHS which hurts the working class, it's attacking a whole group of people which shouldn't be allowed.

Protecting the Bankers and blaming it on people on Benefits, and foreigners is very corrupt and unfair grief being given out to these two sets of people (which nobody seems to care about when he started the whole thing off in the first place) and I remember when he had someone in his party who believed in hanging people that believed in the EU.

So yes Farage and anybody in that party can get harassed if people want to as imo they've broken many laws along with the Tories if it was Russia or a Middle East country doing the same thing.

So yes people protest, although not like the Riots.

Lets get a few facts straight shall we?

Firstly, it was the lack of regulation and encouragement by governments that created an environment for bankers to lend as they did. Secondly, no one, and i mean no one, did more to protect the bankers than Gordon Brown and the then labour government

You are vastly exaggerating Nigel's stance on immigration. He wants controls on it ... have we forgotten so quickly Gordon Brown's famous sound byte, British jobs for British people? This was the prime minister at the time,

The purpose of a democracy is to PEACEFULLY debate and explore issues of the day, arriving at consensus which then drives future policy. Harassing those that speak out and question the current systems, is not democracy, far from it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lets get a few facts straight shall we?

Firstly, it was the lack of regulation and encouragement by governments that created an environment for bankers to lend as they did. Secondly, no one, and i mean no one, did more to protect the bankers than Gordon Brown and the then labour government

You are vastly exaggerating Nigel's stance on immigration. He wants controls on it ... have we forgotten so quickly Gordon Brown's famous sound byte, British jobs for British people? This was the prime minister at the time,

The purpose of a democracy is to PEACEFULLY debate and explore issues of the day, arriving at consensus which then drives future policy. Harassing those that speak out and question the current systems, is not democracy, far from it.

:clap1:

[Kizzy]

Lets get a few facts straight shall we?

Firstly, it was the lack of regulation and encouragement by governments that created an environment for bankers to lend as they did. Secondly, no one, and i mean no one, did more to protect the bankers than Gordon Brown and the then labour government

You are vastly exaggerating Nigel's stance on immigration. He wants controls on it ... have we forgotten so quickly Gordon Brown's famous sound byte, British jobs for British people? This was the prime minister at the time,

The purpose of a democracy is to PEACEFULLY debate and explore issues of the day, arriving at consensus which then drives future policy. Harassing those that speak out and question the current systems, is not democracy, far from it.

We were in a GLOBAL recession it wouldn't have mattered who was in power, we were going to struggle.
The bankers lent money they didn't have, they were bailed out because they had no money, what else could a PM do to protect the economy?

You are forgetting Farages very forgiving stance on blatant and repeated racism within his party even today he is in the news again passing racist comments off as a 'joke'..... yes, it's funny if you're a fan of bigoted 70's sitcoms maybe?

Anyone has the right to speak as and when they like against things that infringe or damage our civil liberties, the purpose of a democracy is to listen and act according to the will of the majority of the voting electorate who have cast their vote on the strength of your promises via a manifesto.... Does this happen?....no!
Politicians lie through their back teeth to get in and once in do what the eff they like, so if they can't play by the rule why the hell should anyone else?.....

[joeysteele]

We were in a GLOBAL recession it wouldn't have mattered who was in power, we were going to struggle.
The bankers lent money they didn't have, they were bailed out because they had no money, what else could a PM do to protect the economy?

You are forgetting Farages very forgiving stance on blatant and repeated racism within his party even today he is in the news again passing racist comments off as a 'joke'..... yes, it's funny if you're a fan of bigoted 70's sitcoms maybe?

Anyone has the right to speak as and when they like against things that infringe or damage our civil liberties, the purpose of a democracy is to listen and act according to the will of the majority of the voting electorate who have cast their vote on the strength of your promises via a manifesto.... Does this happen?....no!
Politicians lie through their back teeth to get in and once in do what the eff they like, so if they can't play by the rule why the hell should anyone else?.....

Well said and had the Conservatives been in govt; the crisis could have been even worse since they under Cameron's leadership would have regulated the banks 'less' not more.

Anyone who believes that a Conservative govt; faced with a run on the banks,that they then wouldn't have bailed out the banks too as Labour decided they had to,are fooling themselves.
It may have even meant with less regulation of the banks that even more could have been needed to do so.

Farage also does invite problems, 'again I abhor the attacks on him out with his family',he does however make really stupid comments that can also inflame and invite prejudice.
He even blamed immigration for being late for a meeting in Wales a short while ago.

Perhaps were he more consistent or really revealed his true thinking,then he would either be seen for the danger he is in politics,or as I have chosen to do as to him,be dismissed as irrelevant.

[Kizzy]

His thinking is all to evident, money at any cost. He's an aging yuppie who only want a slice of the business end of politics, the social responsibility side is of no interest to him.

[kirklancaster]

This post will not increase my popularity. but hey:

As intelligent, thinking humans, we all have the facility to formulate opinions.

As citizen's of this democracy we all have the right of free speech which allows us to express those opinions.

As a politician Farage has the same rights as the rest of society and the additional right – as the leader of a bona fide political party – to formulate policies which reflect his opinions.

It is beyond argument that a growing number of members of society identify with Nigel Farage's opinions and agree with his policies in part or entirety, and it does not matter one jot if others do not – that is Democracy.

As a first resort, those who disagree with Nigel Farage, his party or their policies have the same democratic rights under the rights to free speech, as those who agree with him, his party, and their policies; the right to express their feelings vocally and in writing - as long as such expression complies with our laws on Slander and Libel and a host of other laws.

As a last resort, those who disagree with Nigel Farage, his party and their policies, have a vote which they can cast against him come Election Day.

There is no LAWFUL action which falls between the first resort and the last resort. NONE AT ALL.

I have said this before, and I will say it again; The Law is The Law. We cannot 'Cherry Pick' it. We cannot bend its meaning to suit our own prejudices. We can twist it or ignore it when it suits us, and we cannot EVER TAKE IT INTO OUR OWN HANDS because we feel 'justified' because our victim, 'IN OUR OPINION', 'DESERVES IT'.

This mob of bullies comitted at least half a dozen criminal offences with their atrocious harrassment of Nigel Farage and his family, and should be prosecuted as a warning to all other anti-democratic mobs who feel that they can ignore or break our laws at will.

There is also another set of Laws – Moral Laws - and it is highly immoral for anyone to accost, harrass, and intimidate a husband and father when he is in the company of his wife and children. More than immoral – it is despicable.

No innocent victim(s) 'deserve it', 'were asking for it', or 'had it coming' and it is totally bewildering that any sane, intelligent people – on here or anywhere – hold such an opinion.

Prejudice and personal politics aside: up to now, Farage has been seen to conduct himself with far more integrity than all the other party leaders combined – in reprimanding those within his party who have been found to be guilty of minor transgressions, and dismissing others guilty of graver ones. He is also being true to his personal convictions by ensuring (or trying to ensure) that his policies actually reflect his true opinions, no matter how controversial those policies may be to some potential voters.

Some allegations which have been made against Farage on here are wildly exaggerated and others simply preposterous. Below, at length are Farage's UKIP policies. I suggest that the hysterics from Farage-Haters may stop if they cease 'baying for his blood' long enough to actually READ and ANALYSE just what Farage REALLY stands for, because the following proposals are brilliantly thought out, and every single one makes sense and will be beneficial to everyone in the UK:

]What a UKIP Government will do[/B]

Protecting jobs and increasing prosperity
- We would review all legislation and regulations from the EU (3,600 new laws since 2010) and remove those which hamper British prosperity and competitiveness.
– We would negotiate a bespoke trade agreement with the EU to enable our businesses to continue trading to mutual advantage.*
– UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) while those treaties maintain a principle of free movement of labour, which prevents the UK managing its own borders.
– We would reoccupy the UK’s vacant seat at the World Trade Organisation, ensuring that we continue to enjoy ‘most favoured nation’ status in trade with the EU, as is required under WTO rules.

Repairing the UK Economy*

– UKIP will increase personal allowance to the level of full-time minimum wage earnings (approx £13,500 by next election).
– Inheritance tax will be abolished.
– We will introduce a 35p income tax rate between £42,285 and £55,000, whereupon the 40p rate becomes payable.
– UKIP will set up a Treasury Commission to design a turnover tax to ensure big businesses pay a minimum floor rate of tax as a proportion of their UK turnover.

Reducing debts we leave to our grandchildren

– UKIP will leave the EU and save at least £8bn pa in net contributions. *
– UKIP will cut the foreign aid budget by £9bn pa, prioritising disaster relief and schemes which provide water and inoculation against preventable diseases.
– UKIP will scrap the HS2 project which is uneconomical and unjustified.
– UKIP will abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change and scrap green subsidies.*
– UKIP will abolish the Department for Culture Media and Sport.
– UKIP will reduce Barnett Formula spending and give devolved parliaments and assemblies further tax powers to compensate.

Prioritising Education and Skills

– UKIP will introduce an option for students to take an Apprenticeship Qualification* instead of four non-core GCSEs which can be* continued at A-Level. Students can take up apprenticeships in jobs with certified professionals qualified to grade the progress of the student.*
– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees. *
– UKIP will scrap the target of 50% of school leavers going to university.
– Students from the EU will pay the same student fee rates as International students.
– UKIP supports the principle of Free Schools that are open to the whole community and uphold British values.
– Existing schools will be allowed to apply to become grammar schools and select according to ability and aptitude. Selection ages will be flexible and determined by the school in consultation with the local authority. *
– Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.

Honouring the Military Covenant

– We will resource fully our military assets and personnel.
– UKIP will guarantee those who have served in the Armed Forces for a minimum of 12 years a job in the police force, prison service or border force
– UKIP will change the points system for social housing to give priority to ex-service men and women and those returning from active service.
– A Veterans Department will bring together all veterans services to ensure servicemen and women get the after-service care they deserve.*
– Veterans are to receive a Veterans’ Service Card to ensure they are fast tracked for mental health care and services, if needed.
– All entitlements will be extended to servicemen recruited from overseas.
– UKIP supports a National Service Medal for all those who have served in the armed forces.

The National Health Service

– UKIP will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and time of need for all UK residents.
– We will stop further use of PFI in the NHS and encourage local authorities to buy out their PFI contracts early where this is affordable.
– We will ensure that GPs’ surgeries are open at least one evening per week, where there is demand for it.
– UKIP opposes plans to charge patients for visiting their GP.
–We will ensure that visitors to the UK, and migrants until they have paid NI for five years, have NHS-approved private health insurance as a condition of entry to the UK, saving the NHS £2bn pa. UKIP will commit to spending £200m of the £2bn saving to end hospital car parking charges in England.
– We will replace Monitor and the Care Quality Commission with elected county health boards to be more responsive scrutineers of local health services. These will be able to inspect health services and take evidence from whistle-blowers.
– UKIP opposes the sale of NHS data to third parties.
– We will ensure foreign health service professionals coming to work in the NHS are properly qualified and can speak English to a standard acceptable to the profession.
– UKIP will amend working time rules to give trainee doctors, surgeons and medics the proper environment to train and practise.
– There will be a duty on all health service staff to report low standards of care. *

Controlling and managing our borders*

– UKIP recognises the benefits of limited, controlled immigration.
– UKIP will leave the EU, and take back control of our borders. Work permits will be permitted to fill skills gaps in the UK jobs market.
– We will extend to EU citizens the existing points-based system for time-limited work permits. Those coming to work in the UK must have a job to go to, must speak English, must have accommodation agreed prior to their arrival, and must have NHS-approved health insurance.
– Migrants will only be eligible for benefits (in work or out of work)* when they have been paying tax and NI for five years and will only be eligible for permanent residence after ten years.
– UKIP will reinstate the primary purpose rule for bringing foreign spouses and children to the UK. *
– UKIP will not offer an amnesty for illegal immigrants or those gaining British passports through fraud.
– UKIP will return to the principles of the UN Convention of Refugees which serves to protect the most vulnerable. *

Foreign Aid

– UKIP will target foreign aid at healthcare*initiatives, inoculations against preventable diseases and clean water programmes with a*much-reduced aid budget administered by the Foreign Office.
– British* organisations will be offered the contracts to deliver the remaining aid following removal of the EU Procurement Directive.
Energy
– UKIP will repeal the Climate Change Act 2008 which costs the economy £18bn a year.
– UKIP supports a diverse energy market including coal, nuclear, shale gas, geo-thermal, tidal, solar, conventional gas and oil.
– We will scrap the Large Combustion Plant Directive and encourage the re-development of British power stations, as well as industrial units providing on-site power generation.
– UKIP supports the development of shale gas with proper safeguards for the local environment.*Community Improvement Levy money from the development of shale gas fields will be earmarked for lower council taxes or community projects within the local authority being developed.
– There will be no new subsidies for wind farms and solar arrays.
– UKIP will abolish green taxes and charges in order to reduce fuel bills.

Agriculture and Fishing

– By leaving the EU, the UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy.* Outside the EU UKIP will institute a British Single Farm Payment for farms. *
– UKIP will let the British parliament vote on GM foods.
– UKIP will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and reinstate British territorial waters.
– Foreign trawlers would have to apply for and purchase fishing permits to fish British waters when fish stocks have returned to sustainable levels.
– Food must be labelled to include the country of origin, method of production, method of slaughter, hormones and any genetic additives.
– UKIP will abolish the export of live animals for slaughter

Welfare and Childcare

– UKIP opposes the bedroom tax because it operates unfairly, penalising those who are unable to find alternative accommodation and taking insufficient account of the needs of families and the disabled.
– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only. *
– UKIP will ensure there is an initial presumption of 50/50 shared parenting in child custody matters and grandparents will be given visitation rights.
– UKIP supports a simplified, streamlined welfare system and a benefit cap.
Transport
– We will scrap HS2.
– UKIP opposes tolls on public roads and will let existing contracts for running toll roads expire.
– UKIP will maintain pensioner bus passes.
– UKIP will require foreign vehicles to purchase a Britdisc, before entry to the UK, in order to contribute to the upkeep of UK roads and any lost fuel duty.
– UKIP will ensure that speed cameras are used as a deterrent and not as a revenue raiser for local authorities.

Housing and planning

– UKIP will protect the Green Belt.*
– Planning rules in the NPPF will be changed to make it easier to build on brownfield sites instead of greenfield sites.* Central government is to list the nationally available brownfield sites for development and issue low-interest bonds to enable decontamination.
– Houses on brownfield sites will be exempt from Stamp Duty on first sale and VAT relaxed for redevelopment of brownfield sites.
– Planning Permission for large-scale developments can be overturned by a*referendum triggered by the signatures of 5% of the District or Borough electors collected within three months.

Democracy and the Constitution

– UKIP will overcome the unfairness of MPs from devolved nations voting on English-only issues.
– UKIP supports the recall of MPs as was originally promised in the Coalition Agreement, whereby 20% of the electorate in a constituency must sign a recall petition within eight weeks. The approval of MPs will not be required to initiate a recall petition.
– UKIP will introduce the Citizens’ Initiative to allow the public to initiate national referendums on issues of major public interest.

Law and Order

– UKIP will withdraw from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. *
– UKIP will reverse the government’s opt-in to EU law and justice measures, including the European Arrest Warrant and European Investigation Order. We will replace the EAW with appropriate bi-lateral agreements.
– UKIP will not give prisoners the vote.
– UKIP believes that full sentences should be served and this should be taken into account when criminals are convicted and sentenced in court. Parole should be available for good behaviour on a case-by-case basis, not systematically.
– We will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new British Bill of Rights. The interests of law-abiding citizens & victims will always take precedence over those of criminals. *

Culture

– UKIP recognises and values an overarching, unifying British culture, which is open and inclusive to anyone who wishes to identify with Britain and British values, regardless of their ethnic or religious background.
– Official documents will be published in English and, where appropriate Welsh and Scots Gaelic.
– UKIP will ensure that the law is rigorously enforced in relation* to ‘cultural’ practices which are illegal in Britain, such as forced marriages, FGM and so-called ‘honour killings’
– We will review the BBC Licence Fee with a view to its reduction. Prosecution of non-payments of the Licence Fee would be taken out of the criminal sphere and made a civil offence.
– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas.**
– UKIP opposes ‘plain paper packaging’ for tobacco products and minimum pricing of alcohol.

Employment and Small Businesses

– Businesses should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers.
– Repeal the Agency Workers Directive.
– Conduct a skills review to better inform our education system and qualifications
– Encourage councils to provide more free parking for the high street.
– Simplify planning regulations and licences for empty commercial property vacant for over a year.*
– Extend the right of appeal for micro businesses against HMRC action.
*

[the truth]

Of course it's a democracy, and it's my right to disagree with his opinions on a lot of things.

And actually I think some of his policies should be against the law to try and condone imo, like privatising the NHS which hurts the working class, it's attacking a whole group of people which shouldn't be allowed.

Protecting the Bankers and blaming it on people on Benefits, and foreigners is very corrupt and unfair grief being given out to these two sets of people (which nobody seems to care about when he started the whole thing off in the first place) and I remember when he had someone in his party who believed in hanging people that believed in the EU.

So yes Farage and anybody in that party can get harassed if people want to as imo they've broken many laws along with the Tories if it was Russia or a Middle East country doing the same thing.

So yes people protest, although not like the Riots.

you condones illegal harassment by a bunch of thugs shame on you

[Kizzy]

As intelligent reasoned human beings many are aware we're being royally shafted, it's time to make it (lawfully) known that any removal of any further civil liberties, or damage to public services will NOT be tolerated.

[Vicky.]

]What a UKIP Government will do[/B]

Protecting jobs and increasing prosperity
- We would review all legislation and regulations from the EU (3,600 new laws since 2010) and remove those which hamper British prosperity and competitiveness.
– We would negotiate a bespoke trade agreement with the EU to enable our businesses to continue trading to mutual advantage.*
– UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) while those treaties maintain a principle of free movement of labour, which prevents the UK managing its own borders.
– We would reoccupy the UK’s vacant seat at the World Trade Organisation, ensuring that we continue to enjoy ‘most favoured nation’ status in trade with the EU, as is required under WTO rules.

Repairing the UK Economy*

– UKIP will increase personal allowance to the level of full-time minimum wage earnings (approx £13,500 by next election).
– Inheritance tax will be abolished.
– We will introduce a 35p income tax rate between £42,285 and £55,000, whereupon the 40p rate becomes payable.
– UKIP will set up a Treasury Commission to design a turnover tax to ensure big businesses pay a minimum floor rate of tax as a proportion of their UK turnover.

Reducing debts we leave to our grandchildren

– UKIP will leave the EU and save at least £8bn pa in net contributions. *
– UKIP will cut the foreign aid budget by £9bn pa, prioritising disaster relief and schemes which provide water and inoculation against preventable diseases.
– UKIP will scrap the HS2 project which is uneconomical and unjustified.
– UKIP will abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change and scrap green subsidies.*
– UKIP will abolish the Department for Culture Media and Sport.
– UKIP will reduce Barnett Formula spending and give devolved parliaments and assemblies further tax powers to compensate.

Prioritising Education and Skills

– UKIP will introduce an option for students to take an Apprenticeship Qualification* instead of four non-core GCSEs which can be* continued at A-Level. Students can take up apprenticeships in jobs with certified professionals qualified to grade the progress of the student.*
– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees. *
– UKIP will scrap the target of 50% of school leavers going to university.
– Students from the EU will pay the same student fee rates as International students.
– UKIP supports the principle of Free Schools that are open to the whole community and uphold British values.
– Existing schools will be allowed to apply to become grammar schools and select according to ability and aptitude. Selection ages will be flexible and determined by the school in consultation with the local authority. *
– Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.

Honouring the Military Covenant

– We will resource fully our military assets and personnel.
– UKIP will guarantee those who have served in the Armed Forces for a minimum of 12 years a job in the police force, prison service or border force
– UKIP will change the points system for social housing to give priority to ex-service men and women and those returning from active service.
– A Veterans Department will bring together all veterans services to ensure servicemen and women get the after-service care they deserve.*
– Veterans are to receive a Veterans’ Service Card to ensure they are fast tracked for mental health care and services, if needed.
– All entitlements will be extended to servicemen recruited from overseas.
– UKIP supports a National Service Medal for all those who have served in the armed forces.

The National Health Service

– UKIP will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and time of need for all UK residents.
– We will stop further use of PFI in the NHS and encourage local authorities to buy out their PFI contracts early where this is affordable.
– We will ensure that GPs’ surgeries are open at least one evening per week, where there is demand for it.
– UKIP opposes plans to charge patients for visiting their GP.
–We will ensure that visitors to the UK, and migrants until they have paid NI for five years, have NHS-approved private health insurance as a condition of entry to the UK, saving the NHS £2bn pa. UKIP will commit to spending £200m of the £2bn saving to end hospital car parking charges in England.
– We will replace Monitor and the Care Quality Commission with elected county health boards to be more responsive scrutineers of local health services. These will be able to inspect health services and take evidence from whistle-blowers.
– UKIP opposes the sale of NHS data to third parties.
– We will ensure foreign health service professionals coming to work in the NHS are properly qualified and can speak English to a standard acceptable to the profession.
– UKIP will amend working time rules to give trainee doctors, surgeons and medics the proper environment to train and practise.
– There will be a duty on all health service staff to report low standards of care. *

Controlling and managing our borders*

– UKIP recognises the benefits of limited, controlled immigration.
– UKIP will leave the EU, and take back control of our borders. Work permits will be permitted to fill skills gaps in the UK jobs market.
– We will extend to EU citizens the existing points-based system for time-limited work permits. Those coming to work in the UK must have a job to go to, must speak English, must have accommodation agreed prior to their arrival, and must have NHS-approved health insurance.
– Migrants will only be eligible for benefits (in work or out of work)* when they have been paying tax and NI for five years and will only be eligible for permanent residence after ten years.
– UKIP will reinstate the primary purpose rule for bringing foreign spouses and children to the UK. *
– UKIP will not offer an amnesty for illegal immigrants or those gaining British passports through fraud.
– UKIP will return to the principles of the UN Convention of Refugees which serves to protect the most vulnerable. *

Foreign Aid

– UKIP will target foreign aid at healthcare*initiatives, inoculations against preventable diseases and clean water programmes with a*much-reduced aid budget administered by the Foreign Office.
– British* organisations will be offered the contracts to deliver the remaining aid following removal of the EU Procurement Directive.
Energy
– UKIP will repeal the Climate Change Act 2008 which costs the economy £18bn a year.
– UKIP supports a diverse energy market including coal, nuclear, shale gas, geo-thermal, tidal, solar, conventional gas and oil.
– We will scrap the Large Combustion Plant Directive and encourage the re-development of British power stations, as well as industrial units providing on-site power generation.
– UKIP supports the development of shale gas with proper safeguards for the local environment.*Community Improvement Levy money from the development of shale gas fields will be earmarked for lower council taxes or community projects within the local authority being developed.
– There will be no new subsidies for wind farms and solar arrays.
– UKIP will abolish green taxes and charges in order to reduce fuel bills.

Agriculture and Fishing

– By leaving the EU, the UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy.* Outside the EU UKIP will institute a British Single Farm Payment for farms. *
– UKIP will let the British parliament vote on GM foods.
– UKIP will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and reinstate British territorial waters.
– Foreign trawlers would have to apply for and purchase fishing permits to fish British waters when fish stocks have returned to sustainable levels.
– Food must be labelled to include the country of origin, method of production, method of slaughter, hormones and any genetic additives.
– UKIP will abolish the export of live animals for slaughter

Welfare and Childcare

– UKIP opposes the bedroom tax because it operates unfairly, penalising those who are unable to find alternative accommodation and taking insufficient account of the needs of families and the disabled.
– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only. *
– UKIP will ensure there is an initial presumption of 50/50 shared parenting in child custody matters and grandparents will be given visitation rights.
– UKIP supports a simplified, streamlined welfare system and a benefit cap.
Transport
– We will scrap HS2.
– UKIP opposes tolls on public roads and will let existing contracts for running toll roads expire.
– UKIP will maintain pensioner bus passes.
– UKIP will require foreign vehicles to purchase a Britdisc, before entry to the UK, in order to contribute to the upkeep of UK roads and any lost fuel duty.
– UKIP will ensure that speed cameras are used as a deterrent and not as a revenue raiser for local authorities.

Housing and planning

– UKIP will protect the Green Belt.*
– Planning rules in the NPPF will be changed to make it easier to build on brownfield sites instead of greenfield sites.* Central government is to list the nationally available brownfield sites for development and issue low-interest bonds to enable decontamination.
– Houses on brownfield sites will be exempt from Stamp Duty on first sale and VAT relaxed for redevelopment of brownfield sites.
– Planning Permission for large-scale developments can be overturned by a*referendum triggered by the signatures of 5% of the District or Borough electors collected within three months.

Democracy and the Constitution

– UKIP will overcome the unfairness of MPs from devolved nations voting on English-only issues.
– UKIP supports the recall of MPs as was originally promised in the Coalition Agreement, whereby 20% of the electorate in a constituency must sign a recall petition within eight weeks. The approval of MPs will not be required to initiate a recall petition.
– UKIP will introduce the Citizens’ Initiative to allow the public to initiate national referendums on issues of major public interest.

Law and Order

– UKIP will withdraw from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. *
– UKIP will reverse the government’s opt-in to EU law and justice measures, including the European Arrest Warrant and European Investigation Order. We will replace the EAW with appropriate bi-lateral agreements.
– UKIP will not give prisoners the vote.
– UKIP believes that full sentences should be served and this should be taken into account when criminals are convicted and sentenced in court. Parole should be available for good behaviour on a case-by-case basis, not systematically.
– We will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new British Bill of Rights. The interests of law-abiding citizens & victims will always take precedence over those of criminals. *

Culture

– UKIP recognises and values an overarching, unifying British culture, which is open and inclusive to anyone who wishes to identify with Britain and British values, regardless of their ethnic or religious background.
– Official documents will be published in English and, where appropriate Welsh and Scots Gaelic.
– UKIP will ensure that the law is rigorously enforced in relation* to ‘cultural’ practices which are illegal in Britain, such as forced marriages, FGM and so-called ‘honour killings’
– We will review the BBC Licence Fee with a view to its reduction. Prosecution of non-payments of the Licence Fee would be taken out of the criminal sphere and made a civil offence.
– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas.**
– UKIP opposes ‘plain paper packaging’ for tobacco products and minimum pricing of alcohol.

Employment and Small Businesses

– Businesses should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers.
– Repeal the Agency Workers Directive.
– Conduct a skills review to better inform our education system and qualifications
– Encourage councils to provide more free parking for the high street.
– Simplify planning regulations and licences for empty commercial property vacant for over a year.*
– Extend the right of appeal for micro businesses against HMRC action.
*
Can't actually find one bit in there that I disagree with :laugh:

[Kizzy]

He'll outsource the NHS... Nuff said.

He's attempting to appeal to your atypical bish bosh essex man, and Jerusalem warbling middle English.

I'm not fooled.

[Samm]

what an immature comment:nono:

smh

I'm not the immature ukip supporter tho x

[the truth]

As intelligent reasoned human beings many are aware we're being royally shafted, it's time to make it (lawfully) known that any removal of any further civil liberties, or damage to public services will NOT be tolerated.

the poor working class are paying more proportionately in tax than the rich but its not enough to keep the services running. throwin the lack of accountability from staff in the nhs and you have a enormous problem that is frankly horrifying

[empire]

In this country the left wing dictatorship, will censor your words or views that don't fit their Ideology, if you say the wrong joke, the over sensitive police will throw you in prison, liberalism is anti democratic as any other ideology out there, nigel farage and his party say what they think and tell their views that people on the street are to scared to say, him and his party are attacked, in every way for it, we have had eighteen years of this, and it has to stop some where in the end, I think it is silly that some people will compare ukip to the norse fire party,

[Kizzy]

the poor working class are paying more proportionately in tax than the rich but its not enough to keep the services running. throwin the lack of accountability from staff in the nhs and you have a enormous problem that is frankly horrifying

How does this relate to my post?

[joeysteele]

With the fullest respect Kirklancaster,and I praise your efforts on this at least.
They are words on paper, there is a lot of missed detail that can be behind all those fine words.
With the inconsistencies regularly portrayed by Nigel Farage and then the complete reversal as to what he has said at times, by candidates for UKIP.
I am left wondering why all that on paper, with a line or 2 at best of information, begs a lot of questioning as to the 'hidden' detail and also 'meaning'.

Words can be saying different things despite being laid out in a similar way,positive wording on the surface, once put into practice,can be revealed as in fact being very negative.
Just as vice versa, negative things on paper, can in practice become more positive in action.

Nothing I read there, alters my suspicions of a hidden agenda as to the NHS, while obviously there is a lot,on that small line or 2 against each idea/policy,the expansion of it all with greater detail, could be saying a lot of very different things in reality.
A lot of that does not in any way go hand in hand with things Nigel Farage says, 'off the cuff' so to speak.
I commend you on the posting of it but it actually reveals little that explains in full, what is actually meant in truth as to the policies.

I would never vote UKIP myself, because I do not want to leave the EU, I consider that very dangerous indeed for the UK and I don't particularly want a referendum either.

Reading through all that and even trying to imagine it as positive,leaves me thinking of the chaos in reforming just about everything in the UK as set out in that list you posted.
It is probably a pipedream sadly in my view.

[kirklancaster]

He'll outsource the NHS... Nuff said.

He's attempting to appeal to your atypical bish bosh essex man, and Jerusalem warbling middle English.

I'm not fooled.

:joker: No? But you're a staunch Labour supporter? I will compose a nice long POST containing nothing but irrefutable facts about how successive Labour Governments have continually 'fooled' their supporters as well as the rest of the country - I know, I was once a staunch Labour Supporter myself.

Second guessing with such finality just what Farage might do in the future, whilst ignoring all the deceitful 'U turning' and breeching of promises that Labour have already HISTORICALLY done is laughable. Nuff said.

[Kizzy]

This thread is about UKIP remember?...

Every leader of every party deserves to be judged on their merits, I see no merit in farage and I'm doubly sure there is no merit in cameron or clegg.
In real terms that leaves me with one option.

[kirklancaster]

With the fullest respect Kirklancaster, they are words on paper, there is a lot of missed detail that can be behind all those fine words.
With the inconsistencies regularly portrayed by Nigel Farage and then the complete reversal as to what he has said at times, by candidates for UKIP.
While all that on paper, with a line or 2 at best of informations, begs a lot of questioning as to the 'hidden' detail and also 'meaning'.

Words can be saying different things despite being laid out in a similar way,positive wording on the surface, once put into practice,can be revealed as in fact being very negative.
Just as vice versa, negative things on paper, can in practice become more positive in action.

Nothing I read there, alters my suspicions of a hidden agenda as to the NHS, while obviously there is a lot,on that small line or 2 against each idea/policy,the expansion of it all with greater detail, could be saying a lot of very different things in reality.
A lot of tha does not in any way go hand in hand with things Nigel Farage says, 'off the cuff' so to speak.
I commend you on the posting of it but it actually reveals little that explains in full, wha is meant in truth as to the policies.

I would never vote UKIP myself, because I do not want to leave the EU, I consider that very dangerous indeed for the UK and I don't particularly want a referendum either.

Reading through all that and trying to imagine it as positive,levaes me thinking of the chaos in reforming just about everything in the UK as set out in that list you posted.
It is probably a pipedream sadly in my view.

I always respect your view Joey, but I feel that most of the points you raise as to what Farage might do by way of 'U Turns' or 'breeched promises' is but speculation, whilst with Labour and the Conservatives, it is historical fact - and on a regular basis.

I feel Farage should at least be given a chance - he just might make a better fist of actually pulling this country out of the mire than the other two parties. Let's be honest - he can hardly be worse.

[Kizzy]

Without the NHS trust me...it will be worse.

[joeysteele]

:joker: No? But you're a staunch Labour supporter? I will compose a nice long POST containing nothing but irrefutable facts about how successive Labour Governments have continually 'fooled' their supporters as well as the rest of the country - I know, I was once a staunch Labour Supporter myself.

Second guessing with such finality just what Farage might do in the future, whilst ignoring all the deceitful 'U turning' and breeching of promises that Labour have already HISTORICALLY done is laughable. Nuff said.

I think all govts; have to do u turns at times, I actually think in govt; Labour does most of what it sets out to do and obviously will fail to on other things,
Labour for instance, rarely enjoyed the comfortable majorities the Conservative party got to be fair.

Since 1945 up to 1997, over half a century,Labour only ever got 2 comfortable working majorities in elections,whereas the Conservatives had 8.
That is bound to cause difficulties especially in a hostile house of commons.
Tony Blair's Labour govts; were in fact just mild Conservative ones really, very little was evident of wha Labours values were got included in those terms of office.
At least Ed Miliband has returned in part to more Labour values.

I don't object to u turns if they are necessary and have compassion and fairness at the heart of them.
Such as the Conservatives u turn on the poll tax.

Blatant lies are a different thing and misleading the voters intentionally,things this coalitionhas done, Cameron with the NHS, the Lib Dems with tuition fees.
those 2 things,trebling the fees and a top down re-organisation fo the NHS were not in either coalition parties manifesto.
For me they abused power even doing them.

That annoys me more than the odd u turn or need for some crisis management as to policy for a short time.
In fact I think any govt; that breaks its trust with the voters on the 2 issues,in the way they did that I mention above, deserve to pay very heavily indeed for that misleading of the voters and the blatant lying behind them too.

I nver thought I would see the day I was happy to say I was a Labour supporter but by all powers that be, I am now and this lot I am glad to say, I could nver support for those betrayals and lies.
They were betrayals and lies that were unnecessary but they did them anyway and the speed with which they enacted those policies too once in power, showed clearly, that was a 'hidden' agenda.

[bots]

This thread is about UKIP remember?...

Every leader of every party deserves to be judged on their merits, I see no merit in farage and I'm doubly sure there is no merit in cameron or clegg.
In real terms that leaves me with one option.

not voting? :laugh:

I'm not a fan of any of them, when forced with that dilemma, I revert to voting for the person I most like at a local level, irrespective of political party.

Nigel has said some interesting things, he has opened up issues for debate that shouldn't just be swept under the carpet, because that will just make it worse in the end.

[joeysteele]

I always respect your view Joey, but I feel that most of the points you raise as to what Farage might do by way of 'U Turns' or 'breeched promises' is but speculation, whilst with Labour and the Conservatives, it is historical fact - and on a regular basis.

I feel Farage should at least be given a chance - he just might make a better fist of actually pulling this country out of the mire than the other two parties. Let's be honest - he can hardly be worse.

That is becasue they have been in govt; he hasn't, that is the only way you can do that really as to Labour and Conservative govts; because they have been in govt; and had to do u turns on some things.

I would despair if Farage was given the chance,I don't trust him and don't like UKIPs policies, what I know fo them, even all you listed above.
Too many questions, not answered, not enough detail, most things blurred and no way of clearing the waters as you get conflicting explanations from whoever is representing UKIP at the time.

Not for me, I hope UKIP and Nigel Farage have not a thing at all to do with govt; at all after May 7th.
For me that is a risk too dangerous to take.

[Kizzy]

not voting? :laugh:

I'm not a fan of any of them, when forced with that dilemma, I revert to voting for the person I most like at a local level, irrespective of political party.

Nigel has said some interesting things, he has opened up issues for debate that shouldn't just be swept under the carpet, because that will just make it worse in the end.

Waste my vote?... no, I wouldn't do that.

That sounds a little self serving, but local issues are important too and if your MP works hard for your community then I can't argue with your logic.

Nigel is a city trader, businessman and banker... this is a business deal, a lucrative investment. He's looking at the rich picking and whats for sale and thinking 'I'm having some of that'!
The only draw is money, nothing else.

[Northern Monkey]

At the end of the day,All this panic is for nothing because UKIP will not win an election.It will always be blue vs red in this country with a minor party possibly in coalition and i can't see Ukip ever being that minor party.
UKIP are actually engaging alot of people in politics who were either disinterested or did'nt vote because they are sick of the same old crap from Labour and the Tories.
UKIP have finally given us another option and Lab/Con members and some voters are panicking,However UKIP will never get into power and this country will continue with the same awful two parties(with possible coalitions)who have made it the sad state it is today.UKIP have atleast shaken up the main two parties and made them address issues that they would otherwise have ignored.
However,Not agreeing with the policies of a party does not give anybody the right to try and silence them or attack its members.That is not democracy that is just thuggery.If you don't agree with UKIP then don't vote for them.

[bots]

I think all govts; have to do u turns at times, I actually think in govt; Labour does most of what it sets out to do and obviously will fail to on other things,
Labour for instance, rarely enjoyed the comfortable majorities the Conservative party got to be fair.

Since 1945 up to 1997, over half a century,Labour only ever got 2 comfortable working majorities in elections,whereas the Conservatives had 8.
That is bound to cause difficulties especially in a hostile house of commons.
Tony Blair's Labour govts; were in fact just mild Conservative ones really, very little was evident of wha Labours values were got included in those terms of office.
At least Ed Miliband has returned in part to more Labour values.

I don't object to u turns if they are necessary and have compassion and fairness at the heart of them.
Such as the Conservatives u turn on the poll tax.

Blatant lies are a different thing and misleading the voters intentionally,things this coalitionhas done, Cameron with the NHS, the Lib Dems with tuition fees.
those 2 things,trebling the fees and a top down re-organisation fo the NHS were not in either coalition parties manifesto.
For me they abused power even doing them.

That annoys me more than the odd u turn or need for some crisis management as to policy for a short time.
In fact I think any govt; that breaks its trust with the voters on the 2 issues,in the way they did that I mention above, deserve to pay very heavily indeed for that misleading of the voters and the blatant lying behind them too.

I nver thought I would see the day I was happy to say I was a Labour supporter but by all powers that be, I am now and this lot I am glad to say, I could nver support for those betrayals and lies.
They were betrayals and lies that were unnecessary but they did them anyway and the speed with which they enacted those policies too once in power, showed clearly, that was a 'hidden' agenda.

I think you need to be careful about saying governments did U turns etc. Those in opposition make a commitment based on the information they are aware of at the time. The current government were left a far bigger mess to clean up than anyone at the time realised. This obviously forced some re-thinking and adapting of policies. Would you rather a government continued with its head in the sand rather than learning and adapting? I know which I prefer.

We vote for a party because we trust them to do the right thing - if we don't trust them, they shouldn't get our vote - simple. No political party would have come out looking good after the last 4 years. They simply have not had enough room to offer people what the need/want to feel comfortable and secure again. The fact that the Conservatives are still in with a healthy chance of winning the next election is an amazing achievement in my opinion.

[kirklancaster]

At the end of the day,All this panic is for nothing because UKIP will not win an election.It will always be blue vs red in this country with a minor party possibly in coalition and i can't see Ukip ever being that minor party.
UKIP are actually engaging alot of people in politics who were either disinterested or did'nt vote because they are sick of the same old crap from Labour and the Tories.
UKIP have finally given us another option and Lab/Con members and some voters are panicking,However UKIP will never get into power and this country will continue with the same awful two parties(with possible coalitions)who have made it the sad state it is today.UKIP have atleast shaken up the main two parties and made them address issues that they would otherwise have ignored.
However,Not agreeing with the policies of a party does not give anybody the right to try and silence them or attack its members.That is not democracy that is just thuggery.If you don't agree with UKIP then don't vote for them.

:clap1: Well said Paul - as usual.

[Mystic Mock]

We were in a GLOBAL recession it wouldn't have mattered who was in power, we were going to struggle.
The bankers lent money they didn't have, they were bailed out because they had no money, what else could a PM do to protect the economy?

You are forgetting Farages very forgiving stance on blatant and repeated racism within his party even today he is in the news again passing racist comments off as a 'joke'..... yes, it's funny if you're a fan of bigoted 70's sitcoms maybe?

Anyone has the right to speak as and when they like against things that infringe or damage our civil liberties, the purpose of a democracy is to listen and act according to the will of the majority of the voting electorate who have cast their vote on the strength of your promises via a manifesto.... Does this happen?....no!
Politicians lie through their back teeth to get in and once in do what the eff they like, so if they can't play by the rule why the hell should anyone else?.....

I don't even like Gordon Brown but:clap1: to this post, you've said it all for me.

[Nedusa]

This post will not increase my popularity. but hey:

As intelligent, thinking humans, we all have the facility to formulate opinions.

As citizen's of this democracy we all have the right of free speech which allows us to express those opinions.

As a politician Farage has the same rights as the rest of society and the additional right – as the leader of a bona fide political party – to formulate policies which reflect his opinions.

It is beyond argument that a growing number of members of society identify with Nigel Farage's opinions and agree with his policies in part or entirety, and it does not matter one jot if others do not – that is Democracy.

As a first resort, those who disagree with Nigel Farage, his party or their policies have the same democratic rights under the rights to free speech, as those who agree with him, his party, and their policies; the right to express their feelings vocally and in writing - as long as such expression complies with our laws on Slander and Libel and a host of other laws.

As a last resort, those who disagree with Nigel Farage, his party and their policies, have a vote which they can cast against him come Election Day.

There is no LAWFUL action which falls between the first resort and the last resort. NONE AT ALL.

I have said this before, and I will say it again; The Law is The Law. We cannot 'Cherry Pick' it. We cannot bend its meaning to suit our own prejudices. We can twist it or ignore it when it suits us, and we cannot EVER TAKE IT INTO OUR OWN HANDS because we feel 'justified' because our victim, 'IN OUR OPINION', 'DESERVES IT'.

This mob of bullies comitted at least half a dozen criminal offences with their atrocious harrassment of Nigel Farage and his family, and should be prosecuted as a warning to all other anti-democratic mobs who feel that they can ignore or break our laws at will.

There is also another set of Laws – Moral Laws - and it is highly immoral for anyone to accost, harrass, and intimidate a husband and father when he is in the company of his wife and children. More than immoral – it is despicable.

No innocent victim(s) 'deserve it', 'were asking for it', or 'had it coming' and it is totally bewildering that any sane, intelligent people – on here or anywhere – hold such an opinion.

Prejudice and personal politics aside: up to now, Farage has been seen to conduct himself with far more integrity than all the other party leaders combined – in reprimanding those within his party who have been found to be guilty of minor transgressions, and dismissing others guilty of graver ones. He is also being true to his personal convictions by ensuring (or trying to ensure) that his policies actually reflect his true opinions, no matter how controversial those policies may be to some potential voters.

Some allegations which have been made against Farage on here are wildly exaggerated and others simply preposterous. Below, at length are Farage's UKIP policies. I suggest that the hysterics from Farage-Haters may stop if they cease 'baying for his blood' long enough to actually READ and ANALYSE just what Farage REALLY stands for, because the following proposals are brilliantly thought out, and every single one makes sense and will be beneficial to everyone in the UK:

]What a UKIP Government will do[/B]

Protecting jobs and increasing prosperity
- We would review all legislation and regulations from the EU (3,600 new laws since 2010) and remove those which hamper British prosperity and competitiveness.
– We would negotiate a bespoke trade agreement with the EU to enable our businesses to continue trading to mutual advantage.*
– UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) while those treaties maintain a principle of free movement of labour, which prevents the UK managing its own borders.
– We would reoccupy the UK’s vacant seat at the World Trade Organisation, ensuring that we continue to enjoy ‘most favoured nation’ status in trade with the EU, as is required under WTO rules.

Repairing the UK Economy*

– UKIP will increase personal allowance to the level of full-time minimum wage earnings (approx £13,500 by next election).
– Inheritance tax will be abolished.
– We will introduce a 35p income tax rate between £42,285 and £55,000, whereupon the 40p rate becomes payable.
– UKIP will set up a Treasury Commission to design a turnover tax to ensure big businesses pay a minimum floor rate of tax as a proportion of their UK turnover.

Reducing debts we leave to our grandchildren

– UKIP will leave the EU and save at least £8bn pa in net contributions. *
– UKIP will cut the foreign aid budget by £9bn pa, prioritising disaster relief and schemes which provide water and inoculation against preventable diseases.
– UKIP will scrap the HS2 project which is uneconomical and unjustified.
– UKIP will abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change and scrap green subsidies.*
– UKIP will abolish the Department for Culture Media and Sport.
– UKIP will reduce Barnett Formula spending and give devolved parliaments and assemblies further tax powers to compensate.

Prioritising Education and Skills

– UKIP will introduce an option for students to take an Apprenticeship Qualification* instead of four non-core GCSEs which can be* continued at A-Level. Students can take up apprenticeships in jobs with certified professionals qualified to grade the progress of the student.*
– Subject to academic performance UKIP will remove tuition fees for students taking approved degrees in science, medicine, technology, engineering, maths on the condition that they live, work and pay tax in the UK for five years after the completion of their degrees. *
– UKIP will scrap the target of 50% of school leavers going to university.
– Students from the EU will pay the same student fee rates as International students.
– UKIP supports the principle of Free Schools that are open to the whole community and uphold British values.
– Existing schools will be allowed to apply to become grammar schools and select according to ability and aptitude. Selection ages will be flexible and determined by the school in consultation with the local authority. *
– Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.

Honouring the Military Covenant

– We will resource fully our military assets and personnel.
– UKIP will guarantee those who have served in the Armed Forces for a minimum of 12 years a job in the police force, prison service or border force
– UKIP will change the points system for social housing to give priority to ex-service men and women and those returning from active service.
– A Veterans Department will bring together all veterans services to ensure servicemen and women get the after-service care they deserve.*
– Veterans are to receive a Veterans’ Service Card to ensure they are fast tracked for mental health care and services, if needed.
– All entitlements will be extended to servicemen recruited from overseas.
– UKIP supports a National Service Medal for all those who have served in the armed forces.

The National Health Service

– UKIP will ensure the NHS is free at the point of delivery and time of need for all UK residents.
– We will stop further use of PFI in the NHS and encourage local authorities to buy out their PFI contracts early where this is affordable.
– We will ensure that GPs’ surgeries are open at least one evening per week, where there is demand for it.
– UKIP opposes plans to charge patients for visiting their GP.
–We will ensure that visitors to the UK, and migrants until they have paid NI for five years, have NHS-approved private health insurance as a condition of entry to the UK, saving the NHS £2bn pa. UKIP will commit to spending £200m of the £2bn saving to end hospital car parking charges in England.
– We will replace Monitor and the Care Quality Commission with elected county health boards to be more responsive scrutineers of local health services. These will be able to inspect health services and take evidence from whistle-blowers.
– UKIP opposes the sale of NHS data to third parties.
– We will ensure foreign health service professionals coming to work in the NHS are properly qualified and can speak English to a standard acceptable to the profession.
– UKIP will amend working time rules to give trainee doctors, surgeons and medics the proper environment to train and practise.
– There will be a duty on all health service staff to report low standards of care. *

Controlling and managing our borders*

– UKIP recognises the benefits of limited, controlled immigration.
– UKIP will leave the EU, and take back control of our borders. Work permits will be permitted to fill skills gaps in the UK jobs market.
– We will extend to EU citizens the existing points-based system for time-limited work permits. Those coming to work in the UK must have a job to go to, must speak English, must have accommodation agreed prior to their arrival, and must have NHS-approved health insurance.
– Migrants will only be eligible for benefits (in work or out of work)* when they have been paying tax and NI for five years and will only be eligible for permanent residence after ten years.
– UKIP will reinstate the primary purpose rule for bringing foreign spouses and children to the UK. *
– UKIP will not offer an amnesty for illegal immigrants or those gaining British passports through fraud.
– UKIP will return to the principles of the UN Convention of Refugees which serves to protect the most vulnerable. *

Foreign Aid

– UKIP will target foreign aid at healthcare*initiatives, inoculations against preventable diseases and clean water programmes with a*much-reduced aid budget administered by the Foreign Office.
– British* organisations will be offered the contracts to deliver the remaining aid following removal of the EU Procurement Directive.
Energy
– UKIP will repeal the Climate Change Act 2008 which costs the economy £18bn a year.
– UKIP supports a diverse energy market including coal, nuclear, shale gas, geo-thermal, tidal, solar, conventional gas and oil.
– We will scrap the Large Combustion Plant Directive and encourage the re-development of British power stations, as well as industrial units providing on-site power generation.
– UKIP supports the development of shale gas with proper safeguards for the local environment.*Community Improvement Levy money from the development of shale gas fields will be earmarked for lower council taxes or community projects within the local authority being developed.
– There will be no new subsidies for wind farms and solar arrays.
– UKIP will abolish green taxes and charges in order to reduce fuel bills.

Agriculture and Fishing

– By leaving the EU, the UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy.* Outside the EU UKIP will institute a British Single Farm Payment for farms. *
– UKIP will let the British parliament vote on GM foods.
– UKIP will leave the Common Fisheries Policy and reinstate British territorial waters.
– Foreign trawlers would have to apply for and purchase fishing permits to fish British waters when fish stocks have returned to sustainable levels.
– Food must be labelled to include the country of origin, method of production, method of slaughter, hormones and any genetic additives.
– UKIP will abolish the export of live animals for slaughter

Welfare and Childcare

– UKIP opposes the bedroom tax because it operates unfairly, penalising those who are unable to find alternative accommodation and taking insufficient account of the needs of families and the disabled.
– Child benefit is only to be paid to children permanently resident in the UK and future child benefit to be limited to the first two children only. *
– UKIP will ensure there is an initial presumption of 50/50 shared parenting in child custody matters and grandparents will be given visitation rights.
– UKIP supports a simplified, streamlined welfare system and a benefit cap.
Transport
– We will scrap HS2.
– UKIP opposes tolls on public roads and will let existing contracts for running toll roads expire.
– UKIP will maintain pensioner bus passes.
– UKIP will require foreign vehicles to purchase a Britdisc, before entry to the UK, in order to contribute to the upkeep of UK roads and any lost fuel duty.
– UKIP will ensure that speed cameras are used as a deterrent and not as a revenue raiser for local authorities.

Housing and planning

– UKIP will protect the Green Belt.*
– Planning rules in the NPPF will be changed to make it easier to build on brownfield sites instead of greenfield sites.* Central government is to list the nationally available brownfield sites for development and issue low-interest bonds to enable decontamination.
– Houses on brownfield sites will be exempt from Stamp Duty on first sale and VAT relaxed for redevelopment of brownfield sites.
– Planning Permission for large-scale developments can be overturned by a*referendum triggered by the signatures of 5% of the District or Borough electors collected within three months.

Democracy and the Constitution

– UKIP will overcome the unfairness of MPs from devolved nations voting on English-only issues.
– UKIP supports the recall of MPs as was originally promised in the Coalition Agreement, whereby 20% of the electorate in a constituency must sign a recall petition within eight weeks. The approval of MPs will not be required to initiate a recall petition.
– UKIP will introduce the Citizens’ Initiative to allow the public to initiate national referendums on issues of major public interest.

Law and Order

– UKIP will withdraw from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights. *
– UKIP will reverse the government’s opt-in to EU law and justice measures, including the European Arrest Warrant and European Investigation Order. We will replace the EAW with appropriate bi-lateral agreements.
– UKIP will not give prisoners the vote.
– UKIP believes that full sentences should be served and this should be taken into account when criminals are convicted and sentenced in court. Parole should be available for good behaviour on a case-by-case basis, not systematically.
– We will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new British Bill of Rights. The interests of law-abiding citizens & victims will always take precedence over those of criminals. *

Culture

– UKIP recognises and values an overarching, unifying British culture, which is open and inclusive to anyone who wishes to identify with Britain and British values, regardless of their ethnic or religious background.
– Official documents will be published in English and, where appropriate Welsh and Scots Gaelic.
– UKIP will ensure that the law is rigorously enforced in relation* to ‘cultural’ practices which are illegal in Britain, such as forced marriages, FGM and so-called ‘honour killings’
– We will review the BBC Licence Fee with a view to its reduction. Prosecution of non-payments of the Licence Fee would be taken out of the criminal sphere and made a civil offence.
– UKIP will amend the smoking ban to give pubs and clubs the choice to open smoking rooms properly ventilated and separated from non-smoking areas.**
– UKIP opposes ‘plain paper packaging’ for tobacco products and minimum pricing of alcohol.

Employment and Small Businesses

– Businesses should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers.
– Repeal the Agency Workers Directive.
– Conduct a skills review to better inform our education system and qualifications
– Encourage councils to provide more free parking for the high street.
– Simplify planning regulations and licences for empty commercial property vacant for over a year.*
– Extend the right of appeal for micro businesses against HMRC action.
*

Excellent Post Kirk.............back to your best

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

[kirklancaster]

Excellent Post Kirk.............back to your best

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

Thank you Nedusa.

[Nedusa]

Thank you Nedusa.

Sometimes it takes someone to actually do the hard work and put the infomation about in this case UKIP's plans, aims and potential policies out there for everyone to see.

People are so lazy and so conditioned by the Press to belief any old rubbish about anyone the "Establishment" sees as a threat.

People have been told lies repeatedly about UKIP being a racist,fascist,elite party whose only aim is to provide a banner for other more right wing parties to gather under.

The mainstream media is happy for this image of UKIP to be portrayed and lazy,idle stupid people in the main are happy to be fed this claptrap because they only always vote "Labour" or "Conservative" it's ridiculous really.

You should examine the performance of the Party in power and that should help you decide if their policies really worked. Well both the main parties have displayed woeful lapses in their performances over the last 4 or 5 decades yet people still blindy think it's OK to keep voting them back in because this time it's gonna be different or this time it's gonna change.

Well it isn't and it won't, same old.....same old just different stupid faces at the helm.

So if a Party comes along and calls out both these parties and says you have not represented the best interests of the British people over the past 40 years, you have in fact destroyed large parts of this Country destroying most of our heavy engineering and manufacturing industries, you have sold off most of our National Companies and deregulated the **** out of the rest of them this would in fact be seen as failure.

As would not building any affordable houses for anybody or allowing the private landlords to charge any rent they see fit.

Add to that the rampant and uncontrolled immigration and the unbearable strain on our infrastructure and Schools/Hospitals and I think you are getting the picture.

And it's not a happy one is it, the rich don't care and as long as the flaming shareholders get their dividend then everyone's happy.

Well I'm not and nor are millions of normal working class people who wake up each day and barely recognise the Country they live in.

So if a new Party says it like they see it then please at least hear them out, give them half a chance before you start shouting abuse and sending packs of thugs and morons to hound the party leader and his family out of town.

Disgraceful really.......

[kirklancaster]

Sometimes it takes someone to actually do the hard work and put the infomation about in this case UKIP's plans, aims and potential policies out there for everyone to see.

People are so lazy and so conditioned by the Press to belief any old rubbish about anyone the "Establishment" sees as a threat.

People have been told lies repeatedly about UKIP being a racist,fascist,elite party whose only aim is to provide a banner for other more right wing parties to gather under.

The mainstream media is happy for this image of UKIP to be portrayed and lazy,idle stupid people in the main are happy to be fed this claptrap because they only always vote "Labour" or "Conservative" it's ridiculous really.

You should examine the performance of the Party in power and that should help you decide if their policies really worked. Well both the main parties have displayed woeful lapses in their performances over the last 4 or 5 decades yet people still blindy think it's OK to keep voting them back in because this time it's gonna be different or this time it's gonna change.

Well it isn't and it won't, same old.....same old just different stupid faces at the helm.

So if a Party comes along and calls out both these parties and says you have not represented the best interests of the British people over the past 40 years, you have in fact destroyed large parts of this Country destroying most of our heavy engineering and manufacturing industries, you have sold off most of our National Companies and deregulated the **** out of the rest of them this would in fact be seen as failure.

As would not building any affordable houses for anybody or allowing the private landlords to charge any rent they see fit.

Add to that the rampant and uncontrolled immigration and the unbearable strain on our infrastructure and Schools/Hospitals and I think you are getting the picture.

And it's not a happy one is it, the rich don't care and as long as the flaming shareholders get their dividend then everyone's happy.

Well I'm not and nor are millions of normal working class people who wake up each day and barely recognise the Country they live in.

So if a new Party says it like they see it then please at least hear them out, give them half a chance before you start shouting abuse and sending packs of thugs and morons to hound the party leader and his family out of town.

Disgraceful really.......

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Superbly stated.

[Kizzy]

Ok lets look at things in a bit more detail, where here is any reference to the workforce, or the rights and protections for workers?

What are their views on the living wage?
where do they stand on 0hr contracts?
What is their plan for youth unemployment?


Employment and Small Businesses

– Businesses should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers.
– Repeal the Agency Workers Directive.
– Conduct a skills review to better inform our education system and qualifications
– Encourage councils to provide more free parking for the high street.
– Simplify planning regulations and licences for empty commercial property vacant for over a year.*
– Extend the right of appeal for micro businesses against HMRC action.

This says not very much to me about the issues surrounding employment in the UK.

[kirklancaster]

Ok lets look at things in a bit more detail, where here is any reference to the workforce, or the rights and protections for workers?

What are their views on the living wage?
where do they stand on 0hr contracts?
What is their plan for youth unemployment?


Employment and Small Businesses

– Businesses should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers.
– Repeal the Agency Workers Directive.
– Conduct a skills review to better inform our education system and qualifications
– Encourage councils to provide more free parking for the high street.
– Simplify planning regulations and licences for empty commercial property vacant for over a year.*
– Extend the right of appeal for micro businesses against HMRC action.

This says not very much to me about the issues surrounding employment in the UK.

:joker: It's a summary not a draft of 'War and Peace'. :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Housing and planning

– UKIP will protect the Green Belt.*
– Planning rules in the NPPF will be changed to make it easier to build on brownfield sites instead of greenfield sites.* Central government is to list the nationally available brownfield sites for development and issue low-interest bonds to enable decontamination.
– Houses on brownfield sites will be exempt from Stamp Duty on first sale and VAT relaxed for redevelopment of brownfield sites.
– Planning Permission for large-scale developments can be overturned by a*referendum triggered by the signatures of 5% of the District or Borough electors collected within three months.

So they will essentially do zip to ease the housing crisis except allow people to live in contaminated areas? :thumbs:
Planning can be halted with a petition from 5% of the current residents, is this to be called the 'not on my doorstep' directive?

Where are their plans to build affordable housing?
Where are their plans to aid local authorities to bring their current housing stock up to the decent homes standard?
Where are their promises to not allow overseas investors to buy housing association properties and oust whole communities?

[kirklancaster]

Housing and planning

– UKIP will protect the Green Belt.*
– Planning rules in the NPPF will be changed to make it easier to build on brownfield sites instead of greenfield sites.* Central government is to list the nationally available brownfield sites for development and issue low-interest bonds to enable decontamination.
– Houses on brownfield sites will be exempt from Stamp Duty on first sale and VAT relaxed for redevelopment of brownfield sites.
– Planning Permission for large-scale developments can be overturned by a*referendum triggered by the signatures of 5% of the District or Borough electors collected within three months.

So they will essentially do zip to ease the housing crisis except allow people to live in contaminated areas? :thumbs:
Planning can be halted with a petition from 5% of the current residents, is this to be called the 'not on my doorstep' directive?

Where are their plans to build affordable housing?
Where are their plans to aid local authorities to bring their current housing stock up to the decent homes standard?
Where are their promises to not allow overseas investors to buy housing association properties and oust whole communities?

:joker:It's a summary not a draft of 'War and Peace'. :laugh:

[Kizzy]

:joker: It's a summary not a draft of 'War and Peace'. :laugh:

Yes... A summary outlines the key issues, if these are the key issues then the document is worthless as there is nothing on there that will be of any benefit to the residents, workforce or communities of the UK.

To save you replying I'll just presume you don't want to address my points rather than you repeat the 'war and peace' quote.

[Kizzy]

Protecting jobs and increasing prosperity
- We would review all legislation and regulations from the EU (3,600 new laws since 2010) and remove those which hamper British prosperity and competitiveness.
– We would negotiate a bespoke trade agreement with the EU to enable our businesses to continue trading to mutual advantage.*
– UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) while those treaties maintain a principle of free movement of labour, which prevents the UK managing its own borders.
– We would reoccupy the UK’s vacant seat at the World Trade Organisation, ensuring that we continue to enjoy ‘most favoured nation’ status in trade with the EU, as is required under WTO rules.

This is the most baffling, why would anyone want to be out of the EU so bad?

It's said as there is movement of workers then fee trade with the EU is unworkable, currently there are around 2 million British living and working in the EU this change would effectively render them illegal immigrants.

Taking a seat in the WTO however is perfectly acceptable, would that be possible without amending some of our current legislation on freedom of movement with the the nations within the WTO?

[Livia]

UKIP's manifesto on which they'll fight the election isn't released until after Easter.

[Kizzy]

Well, that's a bit rubbish... I demand to know what they intend to do about high street parking right now!

http://b.3cdn.net/labouruk/89012f856521e93a4d_phm6bflfq.pdf

[Livia]

I thought this thread was about Farage's family being assaulted by a pack of baying knuckle-draggers claiming to be protesters? I don't think any UKIP policy would make it okay for his family to be attacked.

[Kizzy]

Sometimes discussions get expanded on.

[Livia]

Yes they do.

[joeysteele]

This thread is about Nigel Farage getting pestered and attacked while out with his family and that is something that everyone should,in my opinion,be against in any democracy or in fact in relation to any situation.

However, since he is the leader of a major political force,then what he stands for or is perceived to stand for,has a bearing on how people react to him.

So discusssing the wider implications of his ideas and I am sorry but to me still far too much is vague.
A brief summary beside each perceived policy, doesn't tell me the real nitty gritty of the policies, and a joking laugh over a pint from Nigel Farage doesn't answer the deeper questions either.
However, the things he stands for, will inevitably expand the discussion as to why he gets such grief personally so is relevant in my view anyway, to discuss as a strongly related element.

The grief he gets is unjustified,unacceptable and likely in part illegal,some of the statements he issues too in balance however, are also inflammatory and also wrong as to the tone and context he issues same.

[Kizzy]

Here's the manifesto from last year, the title page looks like a nod to the dangers of fracking (lol) and there' only 3 pages with any actual policies outlined, all of which are divisive and appeal only to those invested in overseas trade and industry.
There is no mention of social responsibility, community, workforce, housebuilding, education, provision for the elderly, youth....nothing.

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/themes/5308a93901925b5b09000002/attachments/original/1398869254/EuroManifestoLaunch.pdf?1398869254

[Livia]

None of that means his family should be harassed.

[Kizzy]

I think that's been established, the conversation has moved on.

[Livia]

The fundamental point remains.

[Kizzy]

It does.

However the group have suffered much abuse from the 'militant' right since it seems...

'Police are investigating threatening messages sent to the anti-Ukip protesters who forced the party leader, Nigel Farage, to flee his local pub on Sunday.

After the demonstration, which the Ukip leader said caused distress to his two youngest children, the activists were sent abuse via text and email, as well as on Twitter and Facebook.

Some of the protesters were sent messages detailing what the senders believed were their addresses and phone numbers, and some messages threatened reprisals. One Facebook post read: “If they think they are safe from being slaughtered, they are not.”

In a tweet, one of the protesters was told: “In a free country with legal private weapons, I would have opened fire on you fascists out of self-defense [sic].”

The Metropolitan police confirmed it was investigating the threats.'

'The far-right party Britain First, which invades mosques and runs “Christian patrols” through the streets in armoured vehicles, claimed to have found the home addresses of some of the protesters and threatened to give them a “taste of their own medicine”.

Britain First has expressed its support for Ukip in the general election.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/25/police-investigate-ukip-protest-threat-nigel-farage-pub

[Livia]

None of that is down to Farage. And who supports his party isn't his call either. So...

[Black Dagger]

No I will Egg You

Oooh Arista, I didn't know you cared.

[Kizzy]

None of that is down to Farage. And who supports his party isn't his call either. So...

I wasn't suggesting for a second it was.

[kirklancaster]

Here's the manifesto from last year, the title page looks like a nod to the dangers of fracking (lol) and there' only 3 pages with any actual policies outlined, all of which are divisive and appeal only to those invested in overseas trade and industry.
There is no mention of social responsibility, community, workforce, housebuilding, education, provision for the elderly, youth....nothing.

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/themes/5308a93901925b5b09000002/attachments/original/1398869254/EuroManifestoLaunch.pdf?1398869254

What has last year's manifesto got to do with anything? Proposals for addressing Social responsibility, community, workforce, housebuilding, education, provision for the elderly and youth are all summarised in brief in the current UKIP proposals which I posted, along with those for addressing a host more real issues damaging this country and impoverishing the quality of life of its citizens.

Your posts are worthy of Miguel Cervantes himself the way you keep tilting at windmills. There really is nothing to fault in UKIP's proposals, and it is ridiculous to continue to try to find any.

Incidentally our 'membership' of the the 'European Union' is directly costing us over £9 billion pounds per year net, in addition to billions more indirectly, and an ever greater immeasurable cost in the insane state-of-affairs imposed upon us as a consequence of our 'membership'.

[Kizzy]

What has last year's manifesto got to do with anything? Proposals for addressing Social responsibility, community, workforce, housebuilding, education, provision for the elderly and youth are all summarised in brief in the current UKIP proposals which I posted, along with those for addressing a host more real issues damaging this country and impoverishing the quality of life of its citizens.

Your posts are worthy of Miguel Cervantes himself the way you keep tilting at windmills. There really is nothing to fault in UKIP's proposals, and it is ridiculous to continue to try to find any.

Incidentally our 'membership' of the the 'European Union' is directly costing us over £9 billion pounds per year net, in addition to billions more indirectly, and an ever greater immeasurable cost in the insane state-of-affairs imposed upon us as a consequence of our 'membership'.

Are we to expect they have raised their game spectacularly?

I raised questions on why the key issues in the summary did't answer any of the areas of concern in the UK and was met with a rather glib response.

Could you explain the ' tilting at windmills' comment please?

Is being part of the WTO free then?....

[empire]

we need to also cut giving are money to countries like india, they don't use it, to help there poor, but buy expensive fighter planes, from countries like france and russia,

[kirklancaster]

we need to also cut giving are money to countries like india, they don't use it, to help there poor, but buy expensive fighter planes, from countries like france and russia,

:clap1: Excellent point Empire.

[empire]

groups like uaf, hope not hate, are the one's, that will make britain, into a fascist state, not ukip, they use violence and thuggery, to suppress people who dare say a word that is not part of there ideology, we need a party to stand up to them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

groups like uaf, hope not hate, are the one's, that will make britain, into a fascist state, not ukip, they use violence and thuggery, to suppress people who dare say a word that is not part of there ideology, we need a party to stand up to them.

yes

[Crimson Dynamo]

we need to also cut giving are money to countries like india, they don't use it, to help there poor, but buy expensive fighter planes, from countries like france and russia,

we do this principally to get Indian contracts for UK business