Saddam Hussain - Hanging

[MarkWaldorf]

It's on the news that he's being hung 2:30am - 3:00am UK Time.

[Siouxsie]

and...........

[BB-Rocks]

Thanks Markus. First ive heard of it. surprised ive ot heard any of my family or friends talking about. I was wondering when this was happening.

Quite scary thinking about it...

[MarkWaldorf]

Yeah, it is.
I think it's being screened live in Iraq, so chances are it might leak the net.

[Siouxsie]

its weired

[lily.]

FFS.. why would anyone wanna watch that chit!

[Lauren]

Why would anyone want to watch it?

Because we're about to see an evil man dieee! :thumbs2:

It's not being screened live, and there won't be an audience. However, it will be filmed. This is because the man has reigned terror on millions of innocent Iraqi's and many of them will fail to accept his death unless they get proof (Just like Uday and Qusay Hussein).

I, for one, won't find it morally disturbing to watch this man die. It might be cold-hearted, but it's the gods honest truth. :tongue:

[lily.]

Fair enough, he deserves to die.. I shall give you that... but, amma not watchin it!! LoL

[BB-Rocks]

I couldnt actually watch it. I would ahve nightmares, i always do with thigs like that. Pthetic i know, but i cant help it!:laugh2:

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Stropz
Fair enough, he deserves to die.. I shall give you that... but, amma not watchin it!! LoL

Haha, yeah. It's personal choice at the end of the day. Some people have moral objection to watching people die (:conf: Dunno what all thats about :wink: Haha). Whereas I think I would enjoy it.

[Siouxsie]

no i couldnt watch it

[Lauren]

Oh my god, am I the only one that wants to watch him die? Haha!
*shrinks into corner and pretends to be all moral and nice* :spin2:

[Legend]

I'm really thick on my knowledge of all this stuff, i thought he was still on the loose or something. I really find it hard to get to grips with my own retardness.

Hopefully it'll be on YouTube or somewhere though, i'll definatly watch. (and laugh) :devil:

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
Oh my god, am I the only one that wants to watch him die? Haha!
*shrinks into corner and pretends to be all moral and nice* :spin2:

Haha, I'm all for it.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Legend
I'm really thick on my knowledge of all this stuff, i thought he was still on the loose or something. I really find it hard to get to grips with my own retardness.

Ant... dude... watch some news.
Saddam Hussein has been captured for 2 years or something. :shocked:

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by LaurenFah
Oh my god, am I the only one that wants to watch him die? Haha!
*shrinks into corner and pretends to be all moral and nice* :spin2:

Haha, I'm all for it.

Yeeeey, my equally cruel Mark! :xyxwave:

[Legend]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Legend
I'm really thick on my knowledge of all this stuff, i thought he was still on the loose or something. I really find it hard to get to grips with my own retardness.

Ant... dude... watch some news.
Saddam Hussein has been captured for 2 years or something. :shocked:

Haha. I know, i really should but i just don't find it interesting. :pat: :laugh: I do watch Granada Reports sometimes though. :whistle:

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by LaurenFah
Oh my god, am I the only one that wants to watch him die? Haha!
*shrinks into corner and pretends to be all moral and nice* :spin2:

Haha, I'm all for it.

Yeeeey, my equally cruel Mark! :xyxwave:

Haha, are you staying up til 3am for when it all happens? Like when they tell us it's happened?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by LaurenFah
Oh my god, am I the only one that wants to watch him die? Haha!
*shrinks into corner and pretends to be all moral and nice* :spin2:

Haha, I'm all for it.

Yeeeey, my equally cruel Mark! :xyxwave:

Haha, are you staying up til 3am for when it all happens? Like when they tell us it's happened?

Of course :laugh: Are you going to?

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by LaurenFah
Oh my god, am I the only one that wants to watch him die? Haha!
*shrinks into corner and pretends to be all moral and nice* :spin2:

Haha, I'm all for it.

Yeeeey, my equally cruel Mark! :xyxwave:

Haha, are you staying up til 3am for when it all happens? Like when they tell us it's happened?

Of course :laugh: Are you going to?

Yeah.
Although Im turning the news on at 2:30am, it's friends time. :laugh:

[Lauren]

Saddam Hussein has reached the gallows! Woo!

He's gonna be dressed in an orange uniform and black hood.
Prepare to be properly judged, Saddam :laugh:

[Lauren]

HA!

He is dead!

:xyxwave:

[Sticks]

How this sorry fiasco is reported on thje BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6218485.stm)

This achieves nothing except to elevate him to being a "holy Martyre" in the eyes of his supporters, slaughtered by the puppets of the American infidels etc.

Just watch the rise in violence now in Baghdad :mad:

[Siouxsie]

true there will be a rise in violence i think your right sticks

[Sophii3x]

I dont think I could watch it

But do you mean he is being hanged today?

EDIT: Oh he's already been hanged

[Chrizzle]

Well thank god thats over!

[Siouxsie]

i still think it is still a little sad even though i hate him

[Bells]

I'm in a mixed-up mental state really. Sure, he deserved it totally, and yeah, I'm glad it's over, but I still can't help feeling a little weird about it all. Things still seem really unresolved to me, and I don't like that feeling.

[bonnie43uk]

i have'nt recieved any sick texts yet .. it wont be long though! .. my mate Lee is pretty quick off the mark when something big happens!

[GlitterEyes]

Yeah I'm quite suprised no photoshopped images/cartoons have been sent...but give it time.

[MarkWaldorf]

They just showed a picture of his body after the hanging. It was quite groosome.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Markus
They just showed a picture of his body after the hanging. It was quite groosome.

and so is your spelling of gruesome :nono:

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Markus
They just showed a picture of his body after the hanging. It was quite groosome.

and so is your spelling of gruesome :nono:

:nono: Everyone makes mistakes.

[Ella]

All I could do was laugh when I heard he was hung this morning, Call me mean, But he deserved it!

[Siouxsie]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Markus
They just showed a picture of his body after the hanging. It was quite groosome.

and so is your spelling of gruesome :nono:

lmfao:dance2::dance2::joker:

[Dan_]

I was listening to the radio when it happend, they interupted the world football phone in for it, just felt weird when they said they were doing it.

He got what he deserved though.

[MarkWaldorf]

He did deserve it, yeah.
Feels weird that he's actually gone now.

[Siouxsie]

he is probably glad to be out of it

[MarkWaldorf]

Probably. But I heard he was shouting words before they hanged him though.

[Siouxsie]

what kind of words

[MarkWaldorf]

Er I cant remember, it was stuff like traitors or something.

[Siouxsie]

famous last words

[Sticks]

[Cynical mode]Nice way to get him silenced and out of the way to avoid any damaging revelations at the next trial [/cynical mode]

[Lauren]

Sticks, I don't agree with you when you say he has died a martyr. The Iraqi's believe that dying as a martyr is by firing squad, as this signifies they died a soldier. Instead, Saddam was hanged - like any common criminal in Iraq.

Also, surely if there were any "damaging revelations" - they would have been revealed in the first trial, and the numerous hearings before and after. And if there was anything too bad, he would have said it in his final rites.

But, I like your cynical thinking!

[MarkWaldorf]

1 - 0 to Lauren while Sticks has yet to score. :laugh:

[sol]

I'm glad he's gone so we can start 2007 without him. I agree with what Lauren said about being a 'martyr'.

[Siouxsie]

Originally posted by Markus
1 - 0 to Lauren while Sticks has yet to score. :laugh:

very witty markus

[Sticks]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
Sticks, I don't agree with you when you say he has died a martyr. The Iraqi's believe that dying as a martyr is by firing squad, as this signifies they died a soldier. Instead, Saddam was hanged - like any common criminal in Iraq.


It depends upon the spin put on it by those hostile to the US and Al Quaida

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by LaurenFah
Sticks, I don't agree with you when you say he has died a martyr. The Iraqi's believe that dying as a martyr is by firing squad, as this signifies they died a soldier. Instead, Saddam was hanged - like any common criminal in Iraq.


It depends upon the spin put on it by those hostile to the US and Al Quaida

True, but it doesn't help their case the fact that Saddam specifically requested to be killed by firing squad and was denied that right by the "infidels". And instead he had to die like every common criminal in Iraq.

They don't have much common ground to base their argument /ideological beliefs upon.

[Red Moon]

My post (edited) from the Iraq Today Thread (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=52507)

I don't think that the killing of Saddam Hussein will have any beneficial effect the situation in Iraq. It just ends the war officially for the US government, British government and the puppet government of Iraq by showing that they have the power to kill the leader of the opposing force after a show trial in Iraq. Thinking back it is quiet obvious why the US in particular didn't want a International trial of Saddam Hussein because they would have been shown to be complicit in some of the acts of genocide. They knoew about them and even aided Saddam Hussein at the time they took place.

If anything his death will increase the insurgent attacks as his supporters carry out his instructions to join forces with Islamists rebels and disrupt the civilian infrastructure of Iraq. While the insurgent raids continue Iraq can never be stabilised. My fear is that Iraq will never be united and will fragment into a fire fight which will lead to even greater acts of genocide as one group tries to wipe the other off the face of the earth.

As the days and weeks go on the celebrations in Shia areas at the death of Saddam will only make the divisions in the country worse. And the Shia's will see it as license to do as the want to the minorities in the country. Of course you can't deny the pleasure felt by many who suffered at the hands of Saddam's tyrannical regime, but to then use his reign as an excuse to start a new period of tyranny is unforgivable.

You can already see the start of this in police stations through out Iraq, where prisoners are being tortured and murdered without trial. Only the other week the British forces had to raid a police station to save a group of prisoners from the bullet. A lot of these prisoners will be Saddam Hussein supporters caught up in the revenge of Shia rivals who are running the armed forces and the police. What have they to lose by joining the fight break up the country. As far as they are concerned it is better to fight than to sit around to wait to be arrested and end up dead in by some form of victor's justice at the hands of their Shia rivals.

All this isn't going to be helped by Iraq Government and Christian West insistence that the trial was fair. Human Rights Watch who observed every day of the process were highly critical of the trial process. And they concluded in their report it was not a fair trial, and the soundness of the verdict was questionable. Human Rights Watch criticised the management of the trial, protection given to witnesses, the lack of material given to the defense, prejudicial comments made by Iraqi politicians and the defense for using the court as a political grandstand. This report and the feeling of Governments in the region will give justification to those who supported Saddam in taking arms with the Islamists rebels to remove the Iraq Government by destabilising the Country.

The future doesn't look good. And I fear that the comments by the Christian West are only going to make things worse. Our troops will pay with there lives for execution of Saddam as will many of the Iraq people caught up in the violence of a disintegrating state. Further to this by executing Saddam when they did the Government effectively upset the Kurds by killing the chief defendant in the trail for gassing of the Kurds in the 80's. His execution won't solve the problems of the country but will make the divisions greater.

[Siouxsie]

:whistle::whistle::whistle: Im glad its over with

[Lauren]

I agree, Red Moon.
The divide in Iraq is about to get much bigger.

The US forces in Iraq need to stop trying to bind the nation together - it won't happen in a million years. They need to focus more on keeping tyranny away from Iraq, while acknowledging different belief systems within Shia and Shi'ite strongholds. (As you mention, prisoners being tortured and killed without a right to a fair trial).

[Mark]

Originally posted by Markus
Er I cant remember, it was stuff like traitors or something.

Something like 'Iraq is nothing without me' I just saw the video of it being done, but not speaking arabic I didn't understand what was being said. It all happened v quick.

- Mark

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Mark
Originally posted by Markus
Er I cant remember, it was stuff like traitors or something.

Something like 'Iraq is nothing without me' I just saw the video of it being done, but not speaking arabic I didn't understand what was being said. It all happened v quick.

- Mark

Allah Akbahr - God is Great :wink:

Then he said something about "Iraq will prevail" - Although my translation is loose on that.
And then he mentioned something about Palestine.

[Chrizzle]

Lmao earlier I went to one of my family members for a buffet, there were a few people there.

Now we were watching a Steve Irwin documentary and it was about death and my Grandma went 'lets raise a toast to Grandad' (who died this year) so we all emotionally toasted.. then to another friend of the family who died, then to Steve Irwin, and I went 'Saddam Hussein' and raised my glass- and everyone just stared at me. I think they thought I was serious.:laugh:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Lmao earlier I went to one of my family members for a buffet, there were a few people there.

Now we were watching a Steve Irwin documentary and it was about death and my Grandma went 'lets raise a toast to Grandad' (who died this year) so we all emotionally toasted.. then to another friend of the family who died, then to Steve Irwin, and I went 'Saddam Hussein' and raised my glass- and everyone just stared at me. I think they thought I was serious.:laugh:

Hmm... nice to see you have some tact, he may have been a ruthless dictator but at least he died for something he believed in, even if it was wrong. All people deserve respect. He was only hanged for killing 150 or so people, how many people have been killed after he was taken from power? Don't you think Bush and Blair have something to answer for??????

[Lauren]

I have access to this video.

For obvious reasons I am not going to post the link in this thread, but if anyone wants it - feel free to U2U me, and I will give you the link.

:laugh:

[Lauren]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Chrizzle
Lmao earlier I went to one of my family members for a buffet, there were a few people there.

Now we were watching a Steve Irwin documentary and it was about death and my Grandma went 'lets raise a toast to Grandad' (who died this year) so we all emotionally toasted.. then to another friend of the family who died, then to Steve Irwin, and I went 'Saddam Hussein' and raised my glass- and everyone just stared at me. I think they thought I was serious.:laugh:

Hmm... nice to see you have some tact, he may have been a ruthless dictator but at least he died for something he believed in, even if it was wrong. All people deserve respect. He was only hanged for killing 150 or so people, how many people have been killed after he was taken from power? Don't you think Bush and Blair have something to answer for??????

I understand you are entitled to your opinion, and I respect you for voicing it in a thread where 99% of the people are against your view.

But I seriously think that Saddam cannot even be classified as a person. Anyone inhumane enough to take innocent lives so freely without remorse clearly has something wrong somewhere. When I class someone as a person it means they show empathy - even in the slightest degree. This "man" had no such thing.

Had Bush & Blair not went into Iraq - there would still be the same number of casualties now. I agree, they've been trigger happy at the best of times - but the number of casualties in Iraq today cannot be the responsibility of Bush & Blair.

[Aflamo]

I think execution is hypocrtical.. They shouldn't have executed him. He should have just suffered a life imprisonment.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Aflamo
I think execution is hypocrtical.. They shouldn't have executed him. He should have just suffered a life imprisonment.

With the new government taking over Iraq, and the present day situation - his time in jail wouldn't have been "suffering". The US would need to keep him in custody, and there would even be a chance that he was freed with leadership arguments. The worlds eyes would be on how they treat Saddam in jail - and therefore it wouldn't be suffering at all - it would simply give him a chance to once again voice his evil message.

[Aflamo]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Aflamo
I think execution is hypocrtical.. They shouldn't have executed him. He should have just suffered a life imprisonment.

With the new government taking over Iraq, and the present day situation - his time in jail wouldn't have been "suffering". The US would need to keep him in custody, and there would even be a chance that he was freed with leadership arguments. The worlds eyes would be on how they treat Saddam in jail - and therefore it wouldn't be suffering at all - it would simply give him a chance to once again voice his evil message.

Well whatever.. But I just dont believe in execution no matter how inhumean a person is. It just doesn't make sense that you can legally kill a person who has murdered others.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Aflamo
Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Aflamo
I think execution is hypocrtical.. They shouldn't have executed him. He should have just suffered a life imprisonment.

With the new government taking over Iraq, and the present day situation - his time in jail wouldn't have been "suffering". The US would need to keep him in custody, and there would even be a chance that he was freed with leadership arguments. The worlds eyes would be on how they treat Saddam in jail - and therefore it wouldn't be suffering at all - it would simply give him a chance to once again voice his evil message.

Well whatever.. But I just dont believe in execution no matter how inhumean a person is. It just doesn't make sense that you can legally kill a person who has murdered others.

I think sometimes hypocrisy is called for. :tongue:

But we will agree to disagree! :laugh:

[Aflamo]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Aflamo
Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Aflamo
I think execution is hypocrtical.. They shouldn't have executed him. He should have just suffered a life imprisonment.

With the new government taking over Iraq, and the present day situation - his time in jail wouldn't have been "suffering". The US would need to keep him in custody, and there would even be a chance that he was freed with leadership arguments. The worlds eyes would be on how they treat Saddam in jail - and therefore it wouldn't be suffering at all - it would simply give him a chance to once again voice his evil message.

Well whatever.. But I just dont believe in execution no matter how inhumean a person is. It just doesn't make sense that you can legally kill a person who has murdered others.

I think sometimes hypocrisy is called for. :tongue:

But we will agree to disagree! :laugh:


I'm not into politics so I don't really know what I'm talking about, all I know is that Ireland is a neutral country and all this was/conflict won't really effect our country. Thank God!

If everyone practiced hypocrisy our society would be ripped to pieces, so I don't think it's ever called-for.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Aflamo
I think execution is hypocrtical.. They shouldn't have executed him. He should have just suffered a life imprisonment.

Whether or not people agree with the death penalty that was the rules of the country for commiting the crimes that he did and also when he was in power he enforced the death penalty as a punishment so for for me he deserved to live by the punishment he served out to others for murder in his time as president.

[Aflamo]

Originally posted by BB fernzy
Originally posted by Aflamo
I think execution is hypocrtical.. They shouldn't have executed him. He should have just suffered a life imprisonment.

Whether or not people agree with the death penalty that was the rules of the country for commiting the crimes that he did and also when he was in power he enforced the death penalty as a punishment so for for me he deserved to live by the punishment he served out to others for murder in his time as president.

Well then that works because it would have been hypocrictical if he was not executed. This conversation is getting confusing ..

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
I understand you are entitled to your opinion, and I respect you for voicing it in a thread where 99% of the people are against your view.

Thanks for understanding, but I feel this thread isn't representative of world opinion. Take a look across the world and see how other counties have responded.

Originally posted by LaurenFah
But I seriously think that Saddam cannot even be classified as a person. Anyone inhumane enough to take innocent lives so freely without remorse clearly has something wrong somewhere. When I class someone as a person it means they show empathy - even in the slightest degree. This "man" had no such thing.

Nor have Bush and Blair. They are so innocent in all the mess they have made. They have no remorse. They lied to us to go to war and I find this unforgivable. If we can't trust them to tell the truth about going to war how can we trust them on any issue? They have shown no empathy for the Iraq people. So what makes them different from Saddam?

Originally posted by LaurenFah
Had Bush & Blair not went into Iraq - there would still be the same number of casualties now. I agree, they've been trigger happy at the best of times - but the number of casualties in Iraq today cannot be the responsibility of Bush & Blair.

How can you have been so sure? He might have been a ruthless dictator but at least the country was under control. On the BBC news tonight it said at least they knew were the fear they lived under came from, now they don't know which conner it's going to come from.

The mess that Iraq is in today can be traced to the West's support of Saddam over many years. By silencing him they have got rid of the chief witness against them forever.

I find it quite offensive that people should go seeking the video of anyones death.

[Tanser_Man]

Hahaha, i just saw saddam in a bar up town... not sure if it was the real one though, he did have a brummy accent so i'm not so sure.

I think that it was unjustified. Saddam may be an evil son of a female dog but hanging was the wrong option, especially on such a religious day for Muslims (beginning of eid). I read an article today;

A dictator created then destroyed by America

That about sums it up.

[Legend]

I watched the video and really enjoyed it. Am i wrong to enjoy seeing such a horrid man like him be hung? Nope.

He's a twonk - shame it weren't a more slow and painful death.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
Hahaha, i just saw saddam in a bar up town... not sure if it was the real one though, he did have a brummy accent so i'm not so sure.

I think that it was unjustified. Saddam may be an evil son of a female dog but hanging was the wrong option, especially on such a religious day for Muslims (beginning of eid). I read an article today;

A dictator created then destroyed by America

That about sums it up.

It wasn't the beginning of Eid. Executions during Eid are illegal, and this is probably by they did it on the eve of Eid - which is not a sacred day in the Islamic calendar at all.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Legend
I watched the video and really enjoyed it. Am i wrong to enjoy seeing such a horrid man like him be hung? Nope.

He's a twonk - shame it weren't a more slow and painful death.

:thumbs: Haha. Here here! :tongue:

[Tanser_Man]

Ive got Saddam Husseins new shirt by the way...

bit tight round the neck but hangs nicely! :laugh:


Just got sent it by text... sorry if it offends anyone.

[MarkWaldorf]

Haha :laugh:

[lily.]

I have some Saddan Hussein shirts for sale.. they are a bit tight around the neck, but they hang well. :tongue:

[Sophii3x]

It was the most viewed video on youtube yeasterday
and there are hundreds of videos about it

[lily.]

That's one video I will definitely NOT be watching. I don't care that he is dead, but amma not watching that .. NO WAY! :laugh:

[Sophii3x]

I know:bored:

[Bells]

Fair enough he's been executed, but I'd just like to say - how many bad people are there in the world? Plenty! There's been many who have killed lots of innocent people and been executed as a result, but NONE of it has been shown on TV or whatever, and why? Because it's considered immoral, pointless etc. The only reason Saddam's got shown, and why so many people hate him and not any of the others, is because of the way he's been portrayed far far worse than anyone like him (e.g. Milosevic) - that too primarily in the Western world.

Would I watch the TV clip? NO!

[lily.]

I think a lot of people have a morbid fascination about watching these things..

I don't. :bored:

[Sophii3x]

random question

Was Hitler hanged?

[lily.]

After intense street-to-street combat, when Soviet troops were spotted within a block or two of the Reich Chancellory in the city centre, Hitler committed suicide in the Führerbunker on April 30, 1945 by means of a self-delivered shot to the head (it is likely he simultaneously bit into a cyanide ampoule). Hitler's body and that of Eva Braun (his long-term mistress whom he had married the day before) were put in a bomb crater, partially burned with gasoline by Führerbunker aides and hastily buried in the Chancellory garden as Russian shells poured down and Red Army infantry continued to advance only two or three hundred metres away. He also had his dog Blondi poisoned around the same time.

Source: wikipedia

[Corkie]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
random question

Was Hitler hanged?
Hitler shot himself when he was losing the war another theory is he got shot by a solider!

[Tanser_Man]

The video was pish anyway, you only see him drop, but you don't see his body thereafter.

Don't agree with all the people shouting islamic words at him... will only stir the pot furthermore in iraq.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
Fair enough he's been executed, but I'd just like to say - how many bad people are there in the world? Plenty! There's been many who have killed lots of innocent people and been executed as a result, but NONE of it has been shown on TV or whatever, and why? Because it's considered immoral, pointless etc. The only reason Saddam's got shown, and why so many people hate him and not any of the others, is because of the way he's been portrayed far far worse than anyone like him (e.g. Milosevic) - that too primarily in the Western world.

Would I watch the TV clip? NO!

I'd watch the death of ANY evil person. You can't make more than 1000 murders sound any less worse than it is anyway.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
The video was pish anyway, you only see him drop, but you don't see his body thereafter.

You see a close-up of his dead face though. And the pictures of his body have been released to the media anyway :bigsmile:

[Bells]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by ice_maiden02
Fair enough he's been executed, but I'd just like to say - how many bad people are there in the world? Plenty! There's been many who have killed lots of innocent people and been executed as a result, but NONE of it has been shown on TV or whatever, and why? Because it's considered immoral, pointless etc. The only reason Saddam's got shown, and why so many people hate him and not any of the others, is because of the way he's been portrayed far far worse than anyone like him (e.g. Milosevic) - that too primarily in the Western world.

Would I watch the TV clip? NO!

I'd watch the death of ANY evil person. You can't make more than 1000 murders sound any less worse than it is anyway.

But you can at least attempt to treat all the evil people the same, which obviously wasn't the case here.
He certainly deserved to die - but watching the death is a personal choice, and I wouldn't.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by ice_maiden02
Fair enough he's been executed, but I'd just like to say - how many bad people are there in the world? Plenty! There's been many who have killed lots of innocent people and been executed as a result, but NONE of it has been shown on TV or whatever, and why? Because it's considered immoral, pointless etc. The only reason Saddam's got shown, and why so many people hate him and not any of the others, is because of the way he's been portrayed far far worse than anyone like him (e.g. Milosevic) - that too primarily in the Western world.

Would I watch the TV clip? NO!

I'd watch the death of ANY evil person. You can't make more than 1000 murders sound any less worse than it is anyway.

But you can at least attempt to treat all the evil people the same, which obviously wasn't the case here.
He certainly deserved to die - but watching the death is a personal choice, and I wouldn't.

Sometimes we can't treat people the same as a result of policies. An example is the death penalty which is outlawed in some countries, UK etc. Whereas in US and Iraq it's that countries choice to have it.

[Bells]

Yeah and I do realise that – it’s the way of the world today, with all the different law systems.

I’m talking about the fact that yeah, he was executed, that too for being cruel, heartless and overall deserving. But his whole case was blown up for us much more than any other evil person who has been executed for, in several cases, the same reason. What with him being locked under American supervision 24/7 and that – it was serious! – but it all turned into a joke rather than a serious matter which I see it as. We don’t want more people like him in the world, and I just think that the way things were made so public and jokey is only going to trigger anger in more people.

I don’t see why Saddam’s being mocked after his death by having clips of himself sent round and everything – and nobody else has. It’s not that I’m condoning any of the behaviour at all; it’s all wrong, you can’t bring back the lives of the innocent people killed – but I just don’t get it that’s all.

(AND I still wouldn’t watch the clip, it’s not the sort of thing that interests me. Yeah he’s died, great, but no way would I watch it).

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Tanser_Man
The video was pish anyway, you only see him drop, but you don't see his body thereafter.

You see a close-up of his dead face though. And the pictures of his body have been released to the media anyway :bigsmile:

Ooh if your talking about that half a millisecond with the noose around his neck.... it's hardly the best look your going to get of him.

It's a shame his death was instant, unlike the thousands of people under his power that got tortured and gased.

[Tanser_Man]

And people say Sadam should have been killed, then surely Tony Blair and George Bush should get the same treatment for killing hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children in Iraq.

The whole situation is very hypocritical and the hypocrisy in the build up to the war in the first place was pathetic.

You just can't justify death by killing another person!

[Aflamo]

Originally posted by Legend
I watched the video and really enjoyed it. Am i wrong to enjoy seeing such a horrid man like him be hung? Nope.

He's a twonk - shame it weren't a more slow and painful death.

Quite frankly it is wrong to enjoy the death of any human being.. That's the kind of thing Saddam himself would have enjoyed.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Aflamo
Originally posted by Legend
I watched the video and really enjoyed it. Am i wrong to enjoy seeing such a horrid man like him be hung? Nope.

He's a twonk - shame it weren't a more slow and painful death.

Quite frankly it is wrong to enjoy the death of any human being.. That's the kind of thing Saddam himself would have enjoyed.

I'm not denying I liked it. I loved it! Doesn't mean I'm going to invade a country partially, gas and slowly mutilate and torture all their men, women & children and then hold no remorse against my actions and downright ignore everything I've done. :wink:

[Aflamo]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Aflamo
Originally posted by Legend
I watched the video and really enjoyed it. Am i wrong to enjoy seeing such a horrid man like him be hung? Nope.

He's a twonk - shame it weren't a more slow and painful death.

Quite frankly it is wrong to enjoy the death of any human being.. That's the kind of thing Saddam himself would have enjoyed.

I'm not denying I liked it. I loved it! Doesn't mean I'm going to invade a country partially, gas and slowly mutilate and torture all their men, women & children and then hold no remorse against my actions and downright ignore everything I've done. :wink:

Yeah ok, but still how could you love to see a person being hung? I just think it is inhuman to enjoy a person (whether good or bad) being executed.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Aflamo
Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Aflamo
Originally posted by Legend
I watched the video and really enjoyed it. Am i wrong to enjoy seeing such a horrid man like him be hung? Nope.

He's a twonk - shame it weren't a more slow and painful death.

Quite frankly it is wrong to enjoy the death of any human being.. That's the kind of thing Saddam himself would have enjoyed.

I'm not denying I liked it. I loved it! Doesn't mean I'm going to invade a country partially, gas and slowly mutilate and torture all their men, women & children and then hold no remorse against my actions and downright ignore everything I've done. :wink:

Yeah ok, but still how could you love to see a person being hung? I just think it is inhuman to enjoy a person (whether good or bad) being executed.

Surely it can't be inhumane when psychologists prove that it can be natural human instincts to seek revenge? :conf:

[Aflamo]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Aflamo
Originally posted by LaurenFah
Originally posted by Aflamo
Originally posted by Legend
I watched the video and really enjoyed it. Am i wrong to enjoy seeing such a horrid man like him be hung? Nope.

He's a twonk - shame it weren't a more slow and painful death.

Quite frankly it is wrong to enjoy the death of any human being.. That's the kind of thing Saddam himself would have enjoyed.

I'm not denying I liked it. I loved it! Doesn't mean I'm going to invade a country partially, gas and slowly mutilate and torture all their men, women & children and then hold no remorse against my actions and downright ignore everything I've done. :wink:

Yeah ok, but still how could you love to see a person being hung? I just think it is inhuman to enjoy a person (whether good or bad) being executed.

Surely it can't be inhumane when psychologists prove that it can be natural human instincts to seek revenge? :conf:

Ok take these scenarios:

Somebody steals a pen from your pencil case, you then find their pencil case wide open in an empty classroom.
Most people I would say might just simple take the pen back, others may decide to destroy the entire pencil case.


If somebody came into my house and killed a member of my family and I had an open opportunity to kill this murderer would I do it?
No, because I would never take another person's life nor find sastisfaction to see them die. I would rather let them live with the guilt, and die in jail.

Therefore yes seeking revenge is natural but the degree of which you take the revenge differs in everyone.

[Lauren]

I agree that although revenge differs in many people. However, because someones degree of revenge is higher than yours I don't find it acceptable to call their actions humane.

I accept your point of view, I know a lot of people that don't condone the death sentence and are repulsed by the thought of watching him hang. Whereas I know others who want to see it.
Calling these people names because they're views are different to mine isn't my kettle of fish.

[Siouxsie]

hes gone and well i dont give a dam really

[Lauren]

Originally posted by scooby
hes gone and well i dont give a dam really

:thumbs:

I agree, Sue.

[Siouxsie]

i got my life to live lol:joker:

[Sticks]

The other problem was that he was supposed to stand trial for other crimes, like the gassing of the Kurds. They should have deferred sentancing until after the other trials. This means he has not been convicted of those other offences and the victims are denied justice for their own grievences.

Wrt the video, I have had a chance to see that mobile phone one, so I have a right to comment. Much the same argument for me watching BB so I can criticise it. Since the official news channels stop the videos before the final end, the video sharing sites should also be following that lead, and censoring or removing those videos that show the whole lot.

Should we be glad of this tyrant's death, well I am with John Donne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donne%2C_John) on that one

As for Bush and Blair, well you can not compare. Both Bush and Blair are democratically elected, first by their own electorate and then the country as a whole. More than could be said for that wonderfully benovolant philantropic reign of SH. There were no lies, just that no WMDs were found. SH had had them and used them. He was either subcontracting out to say Syria to cheat on the weapons inspectors or, acted in such a way as to make us think he had them, in the belief we would not attack. The trouble was, in this case, he never expected us to call his bluff

[Aflamo]

Originally posted by LaurenFah
I agree that although revenge differs in many people. However, because someones degree of revenge is higher than yours I don't find it acceptable to call their actions humane.

I accept your point of view, I know a lot of people that don't condone the death sentence and are repulsed by the thought of watching him hang. Whereas I know others who want to see it.
Calling these people names because they're views are different to mine isn't my kettle of fish.


For me it's different if you acknowledge Saddam's death and think "well good riddance" that's fine I would classify you as inhumane but to actually love watching his death is a different "kettle of fish".

[Ruth]

I wouldn't want to watch it. I'm against the death penalty in any event, but even so, why on earth would anyone want to watch him die? I don't believe that most of the people who are watching it on the net are watching it because of all the evil things he has done - it's just voyeurism. People like to watch things like that - I don't know why.