1st leaders debate : Ch4HD & SkyNewsHD (Live) 9PM Thurs 26th March

[arista]

Even though its one after the other
at least it is Live with J. Paxman asking the Qustions

PM David Cameron

then

Labour Leader Ed Miliband

http://news.sky.com/video/1450215/the-battle-for-number-10

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/3/22/379182/default/v1/cegrab-20150322-134947-234-1-942x530.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

bring on the demise of milliband

[arista]

Kay Burley will be asking (Ch4HD and SkyNewsHD)
each one to take questions from the Audience
after the one on one by Jeremy Paxman
the one good thing about this is its Live

She informed us
Ed won the Toss
ad choose to go 2nd


Some have said so he will not be on the 10PM News
but thats not proven.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its not even listed in my Radio Times for tonight!

[arista]

Its not even listed in my Radio Times for tonight!


Yes same with TotalTV mag
as the news of all debates came after
last Tuesdays mags printed a week ahead

That great new True Drama from 2010
is now on Saturday
Ch4HD 9PM


But on all TV EPGs its there

[arista]

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Live tonight
105 audience
35 Labour
35 Conservative
35 Un Shure
Kay Burley asking them for each leader

Nice of Sky to give us every detail for tonight Live 9PM

Jeremy Paxman (of ch4news) is One on One with each leader
Ch4HD and SkyNewsHD


Also Ed Miliband has said he wants Kay Burley and the Audience first
Paxman 2nd

The PM is Paxman first
Burley 2nd

[Iceman]

It's not a debate.

[arista]

It's not a debate.


But it is Live
and 105 audience get to Debate each one
again Live

So thats something


As well as Paxman one on one

[joeysteele]

It's not a debate.

You are dead right
It's not a debate because David Cameron wouldn't agree to it being so.

It is the usual general interview we always get and then a question and answer session with an audience.

[Iceman]

But it is Live
and 105 audience get to Debate each one
again Live

So thats something


As well as Paxman one on one

Your thread titles wrong then.

[Iceman]

You are dead right
It's not a debate because David Cameron wouldn't agree to it being so.

It is the usual general interview we always get and then a question and answer session with an audience.

I have no idea joey. I don't follow UK politics.

[arista]

Your thread titles wrong then.


there 5 all together
this is the 1st

the 2nd leaders debate
is 7 of them ITV1HD 2nd April Thurs

[arista]

You are dead right
It's not a debate because David Cameron wouldn't agree to it being so.

It is the usual general interview we always get and then a question and answer session with an audience.


Yes but its Live
no tricks

[Iceman]

there 5 all together
this is the 1st

the 2nd leaders debate
is 7 of them ITV1HD 2nd April Thurs

I'm just saying it's not a debate. Feel free to continue on as if it is though :pipe:

[arista]

I'm just saying it's not a debate. Feel free to continue on as if it is though :pipe:


I get you.
but I like its live
and a Split Audience

Nothing hidden
like the BBC do.

[arista]

Live now

on
Ch4HD
SkyNewsHD
and
BBC NewsHD


First Question on Food Banks

[Kazanne]

Just tuned in,hope I haven't missed much

[Jay.]

All he is doing is making excuses? lmao

[Kazanne]

All he is doing is making excuses? lmao

How so? he is saying how it is,you cant get everything right but at least he is trying,he's turning the country round,so that's got to be good surely.

[Jay.]

How so? he is saying how it is,you cant get everything right but at least he is trying,he's turning the country round,so that's got to be good surely.

He hasn't said yes to any of his questions so far

[Kazanne]

He hasn't said yes to any of his questions so far

Perhaps he's not a 'yes' man:hehe:

[arista]

He hasn't said yes to any of his questions so far


He did
about the last time

[Nedusa]

Paxman is being kind to him.... Could have chewed him up and spat him out if he had really wanted to...

[Nedusa]

Bet Cameron's glad that's over, he didn't really have any answers only a few worn out sound bites ...

[arista]

Bet Cameron's glad that's over, he didn't really have any answers only a few worn out sound bites ...

Now its the public

[Jay.]

is this the part where he does a little comedy routine?

[arista]

Paxman is being kind to him.... Could have chewed him up and spat him out if he had really wanted to...



I do not think so.

[arista]

is this the part where he does a little comedy routine?


no

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dave is tense but good so far

[Kazanne]

Dave is tense but good so far

What he is saying makes good sense,just need to follow it up

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think he is a nice guy. Well done dave.

[Kazanne]

I think he is a nice guy. Well done dave.

Yes,he strikes me the same,I like listening to him and I can see what he is trying to do ,it must be so hard to be a PM.

[Kazanne]

Milliband will do what he always does,blame the PM,lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Milliband to walking around?

[Nedusa]

Easier for Miliband as he is not defending his govt policies merely making promises

[Nedusa]

He is very relaxed with Kay Burley and the audience, but wait until Paxman gets stated on him

[Kazanne]

He's faltering a bit now,Paxman is a demon,lol

[arista]

Yes Paxman stop him making up Questions

[Kazanne]

Now THIS is a roasting !

[Nedusa]

Oh dear not going well on immigration, audience are laughing at him

[arista]

Miliband fecking around Questions

[smudgie]

Thought Dave did well.

Not so sure Ed can handle this.
Paxman won't make it easy for hm, especially if he won't answer a straight question.

[arista]

Oh dear not going well on immigration, audience are laughing at him


Good On Them

[arista]

Miliband slow down
you look Manic

[Kazanne]

Oh dear,he really is not a good leader.

[smudgie]

Well do explanation Ed..and please keep your paws off the pensioners.

[arista]

Oh dear,he really is not a good leader.


Bang On Right Kaz

[Kazanne]

Milliband looks to be wasting time,by stalling Paxmans questions

[smudgie]

Oh dear,he really is not a good leader.

Indeed, not a good speaker either, such a shame this is all labour can offer.

[Kazanne]

Indeed, not a good speaker either, such a shame this is all labour can offer.

I know,what are they playing at.:shrug:

[Nedusa]

Oh dear Milband is all over the place, Paxman is actually enjoying this, Miliband looks very unsure and anything but a Prime Minister....!!!!

[Kazanne]

Well he's not convincing me to vote Labour,infact the opposite

[smudgie]

I know,what are they playing at.:shrug:

My dad woulD be turning n his grave..if he wasn't n a box in my wardrobe.
He would certainly have been thinking about cutting up his Labour membership card.

[Kazanne]

My dad woulD be turning n his grave..if he wasn't n a box in my wardrobe.
He would certainly have been thinking about cutting up his Labour membership card.

Too right smudgie,my family were always labour supporters,I broke that mold and they followed:laugh:

[Nedusa]

This is actually getting embarrassing now... He is insulting Paxman now

[arista]

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[Nedusa]

Labour bigwigs must be so pissed off with this

[Kazanne]

Labour bigwigs must be so pissed off with this

Got to be, surely.

[Nedusa]

Paxman going for the jugular now with personal insults...

Sad to watch if I'm honest

[smudgie]

Unfortunately I think he may have helped people make their minds up..no way could I waste a vote on this clown.

[Kazanne]

Paxman being a bit cruel there,but Milliband has stuttered and melted with Paxman.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/26/21/270648E800000578-3013387-image-m-29_1427405390346.jpg
I say the PM won this debate

[Kazanne]

That was interesting,I enjoyed it. Yes arista without a doubt.

[Nedusa]

Paxman asks him as the interview ends.... Are you alright Ed?? Then camera fades out

Really tough on Ed that was and a little unfair if I'm honest what with all the personal insults.

If I were Ed I would have asked Paxman what any of that has to do with Labour policies

[Crimson Dynamo]

Win for dave

[Nedusa]

I concur

[MTVN]

Cameron had the short straw by going first but handled it ok. Miliband did alright with the audience, he started shakily against Paxman but grew into it and actually finished strongly

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nigel would have excelled

[smudgie]

Cameron 1

Milliband 0.

What can one say.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Cameron 1

Milliband 0.

What can one say.

Tru
Dat

[MTVN]

1-1 for me, definitely don't think Dave was better

[Nedusa]

Cameron had the short straw by going first but handled it ok. Miliband did alright with the audience, he started shakily against Paxman but grew into it and actually finished strongly

You say he finished strongly, I think Paxman took his foot of the gas as Ed was starting to look really muddled.

He did not finish strong

[MTVN]

You say he finished strongly, I think Paxman took his foot of the gas as Ed was starting to look really muddled.

He did not finish strong

Well I don't think so. He settled into it well and actually hit back pretty strongly against Paxman a couple of times

[MTVN]

Also Kay Burley was dumb as, Milibands answer on the EU was actually pretty clear but she was unable to grasp it

[bots]

i think Ed got more of a tough time than David, but overall Ed didn't come across as a future PM

[Nedusa]

Well I don't think so. He settled into it well and actually hit back pretty strongly against Paxman a couple of times

No.... Miliband had the look of a frightened animal caught in the headlamps... He almost had a pleading look in his eyes at Paxman say don't ask me anything more.

What a relief for Ed when that finished

[Kazanne]

i think Ed got more of a tough time than David, but overall Ed didn't come across as a future PM

I did feel sorry for him on a couple of occasions,but as you say he really isn't leader material

[MTVN]

No.... Miliband had the look of a frightened animal caught in the headlamps... He almost had a pleading look in his eyes at Paxman say don't ask me anything more.

What a relief for Ed when that finished

Heh well your view is your view, I've never been a fan of him but I do think Miliband came across quite well tonight

[Kizzy]

Oh,,, you're here haha what a joke :/

[billy123]

Next to nothing between them. The only people in here pretending there was any kind of landslide are those that wouldnt give Milliband the time of day before the debate anyway.
Pretty much as you were after the first round.
If anything i think more people appreciated Millibands honesty rather than Camerons slipping and sliding.

[arista]

David Cameron won the ICM /Guardian Poll


http://www.theguardian.com/uk

[James]

I'll just move this topic into Serious Debates.

[Kizzy]

Gah!!! I'm so annoyed he was absolutely trashed there it was so unfair! I'm shocked those questions about his brother and other personal comments were even allowed! :(

[joeysteele]

I loved Ed Milibands strength of character with so much personal nonsense and not enough on policies in his interview with Paxman.
he certainly wasn't the one who seemed caught in headlights in my opinion, that was David Cameron on the zero hours and food banks questioning.

I would say fairly even but Ed Miliband for not allowing Paxman to walk over him,just edged it for me.

I absolutely loved his retort to Paxman,as did the audience too, when Paxman asked, don't you read what is said about you, Ed Milband answered no, do you read what is said about you.
Paxman answered, no I don't, to which Miliband got the winning blow with, 'well there you are, you have answered your own question'.

A lot of applause for Ed Miliband and not a lot forthcoming for David Cameron.I liked how also Ed Miliband admiited right off that Labour got immigration wrong, whereas David Cameron fiddled with his answers to the same issue.

Ed Miliband showed strength tonight, no doubt,I think he will have won some over too.
I doubt anything will have changed for David Cameron after tonight.

[the truth]

kay burley is a joke

[joeysteele]

kay burley is a joke

I cannot stand her at all.

[MTVN]

It was strange with the applause that it only seemed to start half way through and was always tentative as though the audience weren't sure whether it was appropriate or not. I think they should generally be told not to applaud, makes it all far too populist and partisan

[MTVN]

Also I think Andrew Neil would have done a much better job than Paxman with the interviews, would have been forceful but also fair and well informed

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/3/27/380338/default/v2/tel-1-1600x900.jpg

[billy123]

kay burley is a jokeShe was ridiculous. At one point when Milliband was about to start answering somebodys question she started repeatedly shouting "Theres a man there shaking his head look that man is shaking his head at you" and completely derailed the flow.
She acted completely different towards Milliband and barely shut her botoxed face with her waspy comments compared to how much she spoke with Cameron but that comes as no suprise when 40% of the company she works for is owned by Murdochs News Corp.

[the truth]

burley has long been an absolute disgrace. ignorant shallow tabloid and she gets away with more than Bolton because shes a woman.
as for the debate it was shallow drivel. daves biggest regret? not reforming pmq's? bog off Cameron.....and miliblands? the millennium dome? 2 trivial shallow answers from 2 trivial shallow politicians

[joeysteele]

Also I think Andrew Neil would have done a much better job than Paxman with the interviews, would have been forceful but also fair and well informed

Definitely he would have.

[Kazanne]

Gah!!! I'm so annoyed he was absolutely trashed there it was so unfair! I'm shocked those questions about his brother and other personal comments were even allowed! :(

Yes,I thought that a bit cruel and not needed,I think he struggled with Paxman,but I think anyone would struggle with him,he is brutal.

[DemolitionRed]

Indeed, not a good speaker either, such a shame this is all labour can offer.

He's not a good speaker, in fact he's a dreadful speaker but then so is Cameron. Cameron sounded like he was giving a scripted sales pitch and Milliband sounded like he was trying to avoid the naughty step.

[DemolitionRed]

Paxman's body language with Milliband was fringing hilarious.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I cant stand paxman as he seems just to want to trip people up rather than try and delve into what they stand for.

Its revealing that people refer to them and Dave and Milliband, even heard this on 2 radio stations this morning.

[Nedusa]

He's not a good speaker, in fact he's a dreadful speaker but then so is Cameron. Cameron sounded like he was giving a scripted sales pitch and Milliband sounded like he was trying to avoid the naughty step.

It's hard to defend the indefensible, both the PM and Ed Miliband were always going to struggle to defend their records.

Mr Cameron's lacklustre 5 years in Govt where he promised so much and delivered almost nothing the only bright spot I guess is the fall in unemployment but even that has probably been achieved through massaging the way the numbers are counted coupled with the rise of zero hour jobs which in my mind are not really proper jobs at all.

Overall the National debt is still rising we are still borrowing huge amounts of money each year just to survive as a country, meanwhile Big Banks and Big Business continue to make billions in profit but your average person in the street is no better off just look at the number of people visiting Food banks.

So Mr Paxman did not have to try too hard to pull Mr Cameron's record in office to pieces.

As for Mr Miliband well he is still tainted by the last Labour Govt call it guilty by association, Ed Miliband is well meaning and probably quite passionate about helping the GBP especially the ones who need help the most, but like countless Labour Govt's in the past they are guilty of reckless spending to achieve these aims and not understanding that this money has to be paid back eventually.

You cannot keep giving people more and more and asking for less and less in return, and the policy of uncontrolled immigration in an effort to boost productivity has been nothing short of a disaster for this Country.

So Mr Paxman had plenty of ammo to throw at Mr Miliband.

As a footnote to the debate I was surprised Mr Paxman chose to go after the man (Ed Miliband) in such a personal way, the questions about his brother and his appeal are quite frankly just bitchy , Mr Paxman should have attacked his policies or proposed policies NOT Mr Miliband.

Credit to Ed Miliband though he did defend himself and I think all in all did himself no real harm albeit after a shaky start.

All to play for now as they move on to the next debate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes paxmans personal questions to milliband were tiresome

[Livia]

I think the questions about Miliband's brother were relevant. It's a concern that pops up regularly and I wanted to hear what he had to say about it.

I thought Cameron came off on top, he was much more polished and able to bat back Paxman's questions. Ed Miliband looks so uncomfortable when he does that pre-planned, well-rehearsed "owning the stage" thing, where he walks around and approaches the audience. He should think less about the staging and more about the content.

Ed struggled throughout and the most curious thing about the whole show for me was when Paxman asked at the end "Are you okay, Ed?" It reminded me of the Doctor Who episode where the Doctor ended the career of the Prime Minister by posing the question "Don't you think she looks tired?"

[joeysteele]

I think the questions about Miliband's brother were relevant. It's a concern that pops up regularly and I wanted to hear what he had to say about it.

I thought Cameron came off on top, he was much more polished and able to bat back Paxman's questions. Ed Miliband looks so uncomfortable when he does that pre-planned, well-rehearsed "owning the stage" thing, where he walks around and approaches the audience. He should think less about the staging and more about the content.

Ed struggled throughout and the most curious thing about the whole show for me was when Paxman asked at the end "Are you okay, Ed?" It reminded me of the Doctor Who episode where the Doctor ended the career of the Prime Minister by posing the question "Don't you think she looks tired?"


Aah, hate to disagree but I think David Cameron came across as anything but polished in this.
Okay, I don't like him but he had really no answers for Paxman and probably the best thing he said was when he revealed his children were not impressed with PMQs.
He did make valid points,he was right on some issues but he again had no answer that either made sense to me or justified what he had done to the NHS in answer to the NHS worker who asked the question,saying she felt betrayed by his govt:
Or why anyone should belive his word on the NHS again this time after last time.

I would guess Paxman asked David Cameron if he was okay at the end too, however I think being the end of the show the cameras stayed on Miliband and Paxman to see if anything else was said.

I agree the issue of Ed's Brother is relevant, even though it is 5 years ago now, also had David won, and not been doing much better than Ed at present, the same questions would have been likely fired at him too as to the same issue.

I discussed this with my Mum and Dad who were with me watching last night, my Mum said she wouldn't like to see 2 of her sons in comeptition with each other but would not try to forbid it.
My Dad, says if they both thought they were the best for the job,they were right to go for it.

He reminds me that in football Jackie Charlton played for Leeds and his Brother Bobby played for manchester United, 2 teams that hated each other and a lot of bad feeling between them 'but' he stresses, they were their careers.

I admired Ed for saying Iraq was wrong, that he would not risk getting involved in conflicts such as that where there was no plan as to the outcome or what to do afterwards really.
He and Labour did lead the way not only in stopping any involvement in Syria but also not leaving the door open to do so later for the govt; either.

I still say it was very close and probably nearer a dead heat between them but I liked the way Ed Miliband stood up and took on Paxman,showing he would not be easy to walk over.
Sometimes he answered a question and then should have left it.
However instead he went on and on a bit and opened up more tricky questioning.
Having said that, it is something I am guilty of too, going on and on,so cannot moan at him doing that really.

The general majority view does seem to be this morning listening to people on the news and TV, after seeing how Ed Miliband took on Paxman and didn't let him walk over him at all,even getting applause for his comebacks to Paxman too.
It is perceived clearer why David Cameron would not take on Ed Miliband in a head to head direct debate.
Somehow I think that may now stick more negatively against Cameron too.

Even on 'question time' last night, comments were made that Ed Miliband was liked more than some thought they would like him in the interviews and q and a sessions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

anyone see what the viewing figs were?

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/27/10/270A37DC00000578-0-image-a-14_1427451550447.jpg

[joeysteele]

I am sure it was ICM who said the 54 to 46 one,anyway both are pretty much as near to a dead heat you can get.
Allowing for margins of error,that is more likely what it was really perceived to be.

[MTVN]

anyone see what the viewing figs were?

2.6m on Channel 4 apparently. Not bad but the first TV debate in 2010 got about 9m viewers

[DemolitionRed]

It's hard to defend the indefensible, both the PM and Ed Miliband were always going to struggle to defend their records.

Mr Cameron's lacklustre 5 years in Govt where he promised so much and delivered almost nothing the only bright spot I guess is the fall in unemployment but even that has probably been achieved through massaging the way the numbers are counted coupled with the rise of zero hour jobs which in my mind are not really proper jobs at all.

Overall the National debt is still rising we are still borrowing huge amounts of money each year just to survive as a country, meanwhile Big Banks and Big Business continue to make billions in profit but your average person in the street is no better off just look at the number of people visiting Food banks.

So Mr Paxman did not have to try too hard to pull Mr Cameron's record in office to pieces.

As for Mr Miliband well he is still tainted by the last Labour Govt call it guilty by association, Ed Miliband is well meaning and probably quite passionate about helping the GBP especially the ones who need help the most, but like countless Labour Govt's in the past they are guilty of reckless spending to achieve these aims and not understanding that this money has to be paid back eventually.

You cannot keep giving people more and more and asking for less and less in return, and the policy of uncontrolled immigration in an effort to boost productivity has been nothing short of a disaster for this Country.

So Mr Paxman had plenty of ammo to throw at Mr Miliband.

As a footnote to the debate I was surprised Mr Paxman chose to go after the man (Ed Miliband) in such a personal way, the questions about his brother and his appeal are quite frankly just bitchy , Mr Paxman should have attacked his policies or proposed policies NOT Mr Miliband.

Credit to Ed Miliband though he did defend himself and I think all in all did himself no real harm albeit after a shaky start.

All to play for now as they move on to the next debate.

Couldn't of said it better myself.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/27/10/270A37DC00000578-0-image-a-14_1427451550447.jpg


Yes sounds about right

[Northern Monkey]

Did'nt bother with it.Not a debate,Just a Q'n'A.

[Kizzy]

How.... How can he be winning? it makes no sense.
The questioning by paxman was a joke cameron was allowed to rattle on about nothing for the majority of the interview whilst paxman sat back crossed legged in awe!
He wasn't personally harangued, pressed for figures or held accountable for the misdemeanors of past leaders.
He wasn't questioned on tuition fees, trident, the housing crisis, the failings/costings of the welfare reforms and most importantly the NHS.


Glad it's not just me... questions on shredded wheat and being gloomy, just a joke ...I hope the electorate get some better questions posed at the next one this was farcical!

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/mar/27/cameron-and-miliband-paxman-broadcast-gets-more-than-100-complaints

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its easier to have a go the pm and just hang all the countries ills on him and its easy to look good when your personality polls are in the toilet like milliband

[bots]

When all is said and done, I thought both were pretty mediocre at best. Neither are anything other than passable orators, neither knew their issues clearly enough or had all the relevant facts available for recall.

The interviews by Jeremy were inconsistent and poorly focussed and Kay Burley was well ... enough said.

I expect a leader to have a certain spark about them, Maggie had it, Tony Blair had it. Its charisma backed up with intelligence, vision and strength of character. People with a clear vision of what they want to achieve and that know how its going to be done, and that can clearly explain it. These guys just don't measure up.