Idris Elba can't be Bond because he isn't 'English English' says Roger Moore

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Veteran actor Roger Moore has blamed a French magazine for embroiling him in a racism row after it reported his comments that Idris Elba cannot play James Bond because he was not 'English-English' enough.
Sir Roger made the comments in an interview with French magazine Paris Match, although the former Bond star claimed his words had been 'lost in translation'.

Sir Roger told Paris Match: 'A few years ago, I said that [black actor] Cuba Gooding Jnr would make an excellent Bond, but it was a joke!' replies Sir Roger, 87, who starred in seven Bond movies between 1973 and 1985.

'Although James may have been played by a Scot, a Welshman and an Irishman, I think he should be "English-English",' he continues.
'Nevertheless, it's an interesting idea, but unrealistic.'



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Naturally Twitter has been outraged

[Livia]

It's a generational thing, I'm sure.

Personally I don't think Idris Elba should be Bond because he isn't a good enough actor. I loved 'Luther', but his acting was a little cringey sometimes. Colin Salmon though... if they were looking for a black Bond, he would be perfect.

[arista]

If later they choose him
they will
and use his birth place
as part of a new story

[Shaun]

Personally I don't think Idris Elba should be Bond because he isn't a good enough actor. I loved 'Luther', but his acting was a little cringey sometimes.

Get the **** outta here!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would like to see Alan Carr get a chance

[Livia]

Get the **** outta here!!!

It's true... He mispronounced lots of words and it annoyed me.

I still would though.

[Locke.]

It's a generational thing, I'm sure.

Personally I don't think Idris Elba should be Bond because he isn't a good enough actor. I loved 'Luther', but his acting was a little cringey sometimes. Colin Salmon though... if they were looking for a black Bond, he would be perfect.

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[Livia]

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I adore him! I only said that he wouldn't make a good Bond.

[Crimson Dynamo]

he strikes me a bit of an arse tbh

[Vanessa]

I think he would make an amazing Bond. :flutter:

[kirklancaster]

I would like to see Alan Carr get a chance

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: Oh LT you are a nutter --

-- but then again, it makes as much sense as a black actor playing James Bond.

Why don't they just write a totally new script about a black British spy and leave the Fleming character alone?

It's as daft as making 'Han Solo' 'Harriet Solo' - a 6' 2' Drag Queen from Bermondsey, or getting Ronnie Corbett to play 'Samson' in a remake of 'Samson and Delilah'. :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Bond, the gay years"

[Kyle]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: Oh LT you are a nutter --

-- but then again, it makes as much sense as a black actor playing James Bond.

Why don't they just write a totally new script about a black British spy and leave the Fleming character alone?

It's as daft as making 'Han Solo' 'Harriet Solo' - a 6' 2' Drag Queen from Bermondsey, or getting Ronnie Corbett to play 'Samson' in a remake of 'Samson and Delilah'. :shrug:

why you stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf-herder. :nono:

[kirklancaster]

why you stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf-herder. :nono:

:joker:

[kirklancaster]

"Bond, the gay years"

:joker::joker::joker:

And here are just a few of Alan's many Bond films:

'You Only Give Twice'(then my bum hurts)
'The Guy Who Loved Me'
'Guyfall'
'Coldfinger' (warm your hand first)
'The Man With The Golden Bum'
'Goldenbrown Eye'
'For You Guys Only'
'Thunderballs'
'Guysense To Thrill'
'My Men Are Forever'
'Dr Noooooooh'(I haven't got piles!)

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker::joker::joker:

And here are just a few of Alan's many Bond films:

'You Only Give Twice'(then my bum hurts)
'The Guy Who Loved Me'
'Guyfall'
'Coldfinger' (warm your hand first)
'The Man With The Golden Bum'
'Goldenbrown Eye'
'For You Guys Only'
'Thunderballs'
'Guysense To Thrill'
'My Men Are Forever'
'Dr Noooooooh'(I haven't got piles!)

:joker:

what, no Octopussy?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Guy who Loved me

rofl

[Kyle]

Lol fhkin hell Kirk.

You also forgot Guy another day 😜

[MB.]

'You Only Give Twice'(then my bum hurts)
'The Guy Who Loved Me'
'Guyfall'
'Coldfinger' (warm your hand first)
'The Man With The Golden Bum'
'Goldenbrown Eye'
'For You Guys Only'
'Thunderballs'
'Guysense To Thrill'
'My Men Are Forever'
'Dr Noooooooh'(I haven't got piles!)

#offseason

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Quantum of Joes Ass


Ill get me coat

[kirklancaster]

The Quantum of Joes Ass


Ill get me coat

:laugh2: "T-A-X-I"

[kirklancaster]

Lol fhkin hell Kirk.

You also forgot Guy another day 😜

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

You only rim twice

[Crimson Dynamo]

License to Drill

[Crimson Dynamo]

For Your Japseye Only

[kirklancaster]

License to Drill

:joker: Now this is a BETTER thread. :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Generational thing :laugh: Isn't that what Rozanne Duncan said?
He would make a great bond, not that I really like bond films they're all a bit samey.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm a big believer that peoples colour of skin, and gender should be left well alone, unless they did a complete remake of the franchise.

[susie q]

I would like to see Alan Carr get a chance

I might actually watch a bond film with him in it:laugh:

[GiRTh]

I dont see why he wouldn't make a great Bond. I dont see why his skin colour has anything to do with the quality of his acting. Idris is one of the finest British actors atm if he isnt considered for the next Bond then I dont see who should be.

[GiRTh]

It's a generational thing, I'm sure.

Personally I don't think Idris Elba should be Bond because he isn't a good enough actor. I loved 'Luther', but his acting was a little cringey sometimes. Colin Salmon though... if they were looking for a black Bond, he would be perfect.Colin Salmon was in Die another day so he's less likely to be considered than Idris. If you say Idris is not a good actor then who do you think is better? Don't judge his abilities by Luther its a crazy show and his acting reflects the mood of the show.

[kirklancaster]

I dont see why he wouldn't make a great Bond. I dont see why his skin colour has anything to do with the quality of his acting. Idris is one of the finest British actors atm if he isnt considered for the next Bond then I dont see who should be.

It's got nothing to do with his skin colour or acting ability Girth, but all to do with the character and ethnicity of James Bond as he was written and created by Ian Fleming.

I love Idris Elba but for me personally, casting any black actor in the role of Bond is absolute stupidity and 'change for change's sake'.

I detest all those ridiculous 'classical' paintings by early artists which depict Jesus as a Ginger haired white man for the same reason.

Should Keanu Reeves have played 'Shaft'? Or Robert Redford played Virgil Tibbs in 'The Heat of The Night'? How ridiculous would it have been for Daniel Radcliffe to have played Martin Luther King instead of David Oyelowo in 'Selma'?

[Gstar]

Still think that Idris should be bond

[Brother Leon]

It's a generational thing, I'm sure.

Personally I don't think Idris Elba should be Bond because he isn't a good enough actor. I loved 'Luther', but his acting was a little cringey sometimes. Colin Salmon though... if they were looking for a black Bond, he would be perfect.

Watch him in The Wire. He would be more than good enough imo.

[Niamh.]

The whole he's not English enough is bull**** when they've already had a Scottish and Irish actor play him :shrug:

[JoshBB]

first of all, i have never heard of him.

second of all, it surely should be based on his acting skills and suitibility to the role and race should not come into that? plus he was born english so surely his "background" would be hackney as specified on wikipedia.

[Firewire]

first of all, i have never heard of him.

second of all, it surely should be based on his acting skills and suitibility to the role and race should not come into that? plus he was born english so surely his "background" would be hackney as specified on wikipedia.

he played James Bond in the 80s

[GiRTh]

Watch him in The Wire. He would be more than good enough imo.This. Luther requires too much over acting which isnt his strong suit.

[GiRTh]

It's got nothing to do with his skin colour or acting ability Girth, but all to do with the character and ethnicity of James Bond as he was written and created by Ian Fleming.

I love Idris Elba but for me personally, casting any black actor in the role of Bond is absolute stupidity and 'change for change's sake'.

I detest all those ridiculous 'classical' paintings by early artists which depict Jesus as a Ginger haired white man for the same reason.

Should Keanu Reeves have played 'Shaft'? Or Robert Redford played Virgil Tibbs in 'The Heat of The Night'? How ridiculous would it have been for Daniel Radcliffe to have played Martin Luther King instead of David Oyelowo in 'Selma'?
I have no issue wth Keanu Reeves playing Shaft but Redford could never have played Virgil Tibbs cuz there was a racist element to the film. I dont see why a characters ethnicity cant change.

[JoshBB]

It's got nothing to do with his skin colour or acting ability Girth, but all to do with the character and ethnicity of James Bond as he was written and created by Ian Fleming.

I love Idris Elba but for me personally, casting any black actor in the role of Bond is absolute stupidity and 'change for change's sake'.

I detest all those ridiculous 'classical' paintings by early artists which depict Jesus as a Ginger haired white man for the same reason.

Should Keanu Reeves have played 'Shaft'? Or Robert Redford played Virgil Tibbs in 'The Heat of The Night'? How ridiculous would it have been for Daniel Radcliffe to have played Martin Luther King instead of David Oyelowo in 'Selma'?

Daniel Radcliffe might have made a good Martin Luther King tbh

[Northern Monkey]

Hmm.With modern Bond films i honestly don't think the ethnicity of the actor matters.Bond is'nt based on a real person,He is fictional.Obviously a white MLK or White Ali or Black William Wallace would'nt be believable but for Bond i really don't see a problem.

[Shaun]

This. Luther requires too much over acting which isnt his strong suit.

It's just a weird point really when Bond films aren't exactly renowned for their acting chops

[GiRTh]

It's just a weird point really when Bond films aren't exactly renowned for their acting chopsAgree. :thumbs:

[kirklancaster]

Daniel Radcliffe might have made a good Martin Luther King tbh

:joker: You are joking?

[Livia]

Generational thing :laugh: Isn't that what Rozanne Duncan said?
He would make a great bond, not that I really like bond films they're all a bit samey.

If you're going to poke fun at something I've said, at least have the courtesy to quote the thing at which you're poking fun.

It is a generational thing. The older generation think differently about race than the younger generation do. Or are you going to argue about that too?

And emoticons Kizzy? I've seen you tick at least two people off for using emoticons in Serious Debates.

[Livia]

first of all, i have never heard of him.

second of all, it surely should be based on his acting skills and suitibility to the role and race should not come into that? plus he was born english so surely his "background" would be hackney as specified on wikipedia.

Of course you haven't heard of him. You're fourteen.

[Kizzy]

If you're going to poke fun at something I've said, at least have the courtesy to quote the thing at which you're poking fun.

It is a generational thing. The older generation think differently about race than the younger generation do. Or are you going to argue about that too?

And emoticons Kizzy? I've seen you tick at least two people off for using emoticons in Serious Debates.

I didn't even realise it was you, I don't think it should be a valid excuse for bigotry no. And it was gifs not emoticons.

[Tom4784]

Sean Connery and George Lazenby weren't English, the latter wasn't even British. I don't think Nationality or appearance matters too much as long as you can pull off the Bond charm and personality and I think Idris Elba could definitely do that.

[kirklancaster]

I didn't even realise it was you, I don't think it should be a valid excuse for bigotry no. And it was gifs not emoticons.

Where is there any bigotry? Please expound.

[Kizzy]

Where is there any bigotry? Please expound.

'It is a generational thing. The older generation think differently about race than the younger generation do.'

Here, This is a generalised statement that suggests the aged population are bigoted.
Personally I don't believe this is true.

[Livia]

I didn't even realise it was you, I don't think it should be a valid excuse for bigotry no. And it was gifs not emoticons.

I'm the only one who made the comment it is a generational thing. And it is. A lot of older people think differently about race because it's how they were brought up and the way society was. I'm not saying it's right. I would never say it's right.

And it was emoticons.
This is serious debates hard to take you serious expressing yourself via emoticons..........

I'm happy for us to ignore each other. It would make both our experiences a whole lot better.

[Kizzy]

I read it but didn't realise it was you in all seriousness.
I wonder who I was speaking to there? No, it wouldn't make my experience better, being able to comment without your provisos would.

[Niamh.]

Sean Connery and George Lazenby weren't English, the latter wasn't even British. I don't think Nationality or appearance matters too much as long as you can pull off the Bond charm and personality and I think Idris Elba could definitely do that.


Pierce Brosnan is Irish as well so that 3 non English and 2 non British Bonds

[Daniel-X]

Idris Elba is a fine actor. One of the best in English television at the moment. However, I can't really imagine him portraying Bond I think Colin Salmon who was previously mentioned would be more suited to the role.

[lostalex]

how are they going to explain bond being black? maybe it could work if they explain it in the story, like maybe it's some type of disguise, or dye his skin to go under cover. like in dr. who they have an explanation why the doctor changes so much.

but if they just want us to pretend that it's no big deal that james bond is a totally different race without explaining it at all, that would be retarded.

[Marsh.]

how are they going to explain bond being black? maybe it could work if they explain it in the story, like maybe it's some type of disguise, or dye his skin to go under cover.

but if they just want us to pretend that it's no big deal that james bond is a totally different race without explaining it at all, that would be retarded.

It's no different to the fact he went from a dark haired ageing man in the 1960s in the earlier films to a blonde haired 40 something in the 21st century.

Every time a new actor has taken over it's felt more like a reboot.

There is no actual rational continuity between the Bond's. It's all nonsense.

[MTVN]

^ Exactly, the films are already almost their own entity independent of the books

[Suze]

Bond can be any colour of the rainbow for all I care, as long as he has the Bond charisma/charm about him, which for me Daniel Craig lacks. Worst Bond so far for me.

[Marsh.]

I detest all those ridiculous 'classical' paintings by early artists which depict Jesus as a Ginger haired white man for the same reason.

Should Keanu Reeves have played 'Shaft'? Or Robert Redford played Virgil Tibbs in 'The Heat of The Night'? How ridiculous would it have been for Daniel Radcliffe to have played Martin Luther King instead of David Oyelowo in 'Selma'?

Surely they're entirely separate issues though? That includes real people and race centred storylines.

Of course a white guy can't play MLK because he was a real person and was black.
The same as a white actor couldn't play Tibbs because as far as I remember, the story relied on him being black?

Whereas Bond is a fictional character in a setting/story that does not rely on him being specifically black or white.

Not to mention the films over the last 50 years have strayed so far from the original source material that "stick to the novel" no longer makes sense as a reason.

[lostalex]

Surely they're entirely separate issues though? That includes real people and race centred storylines.

Of course a white guy can't play MLK because he was a real person and was black.
The same as a white actor couldn't play Tibbs because as far as I remember, the story relied on him being black?

Whereas Bond is a fictional character in a setting/story that does not rely on him being specifically black or white.

Not to mention the films over the last 50 years have strayed so far from the original source material that "stick to the novel" no longer makes sense as a reason.


so why not make him an 8 year old japanese girl. it makes no difference to you i guess.

so sick of the hypocrisy, the same people screaming about "appropriation of black culture" are the same people screaming "why can't bond be black???"

[Marsh.]

so why not make him an 8 year old japanese girl. it makes no difference to you i guess.

so sick of the hypocrisy, the same people screaming about "appropriation of black culture" are the same people screaming "why can't bond be black???"

Nobody's screaming about it. They're simply saying if they wanted to hire Idris Elba there's absolutely no reason why not. Because apart from his skin colour there's next to no difference between him and Daniel Craig.

Your 8 year old Japanese girl comparison is nonsense. Since that would change the character and story completely.

Think logically when trying to put together a counter argument.

[Niamh.]

Surely they're entirely separate issues though? That includes real people and race centred storylines.

Of course a white guy can't play MLK because he was a real person and was black.
The same as a white actor couldn't play Tibbs because as far as I remember, the story relied on him being black?

Whereas Bond is a fictional character in a setting/story that does not rely on him being specifically black or white.

Not to mention the films over the last 50 years have strayed so far from the original source material that "stick to the novel" no longer makes sense as a reason.
In the TV series Elementary they changed John Watson who originally would have been a white English man to Joan Watson a Chinese-American woman :hehe:

[Marsh.]

In the TV series Elementary they changed John Watson who originally would have been a white English man to Joan Watson a Chinese-American woman :hehe:

:joker:

[Nedusa]

Sean Connery and George Lazenby weren't English, the latter wasn't even British. I don't think Nationality or appearance matters too much as long as you can pull off the Bond charm and personality and I think Idris Elba could definitely do that.

I don't mind who plays James Bond as long as he accurately reflects the character from the Bond novels, ie WASP type.

I don't think a Black African or a Jamaican James Bond was what Ian Fleming had in mind.

Similarly, I dont think David Suchet could have pulled off the Shaft character either.

[Tom4784]

The books have barely anything to do with the films at this point, the cinematic version of James Bond is far removed from the books, it has to be because of all the reboots and changes that have happened over the years. The cinematic Bond is a constantly changing entity that isn't bound by nationality, age and physical features so why should it be bound by race? James Bond being white isn't an integral part of his character or back story.

[GiRTh]

slim build; a three-inch long, thin vertical scar on his right cheek; blue-grey eyes; a "cruel" mouth; short, black hair, a comma of which falls on his forehead

Is how Fleming himself described Bond so I'd say most of the actors who have played Bond have have fallen short in term of appearance. I dont see any problem what so ever with Idris continuing the trend.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id rather see a female bond

A ravishing blonde slut with torpedo tits, a well turned ankle
And a filthy mouth that would shame a monastry

She also would swing both ways for added love interests

[Marsh.]

I don't mind who plays James Bond as long as he accurately reflects the character from the Bond novels, ie WASP type.

I don't think a Black African or a Jamaican James Bond was what Ian Fleming had in mind.

Similarly, I dont think David Suchet could have pulled off the Shaft character either.

Idris Elba is a Londoner so "African" or "Jamaican" isn't relevant.

[Z]

how are they going to explain bond being black? maybe it could work if they explain it in the story, like maybe it's some type of disguise, or dye his skin to go under cover. like in dr. who they have an explanation why the doctor changes so much.

but if they just want us to pretend that it's no big deal that james bond is a totally different race without explaining it at all, that would be retarded.

Or they could go with the fan theory that 007 James Bond is in fact an identity assumed by the next agent after the previous 007 James Bond dies in action... don't really see the need to make James Bond a different race, but don't care either way.

[Nedusa]

Idris Elba is a Londoner so "African" or "Jamaican" isn't relevant.

It's relevant to my post.

[Marsh.]

It's relevant to my post.

Which isn't a relevant counter argument.

As already stated, the Bond films of the last 50 years bear a very small resemblance to the actual written Fleming stuff so why should that suddenly become a reason for Elba to not take on the role?

[Toy Soldier]

Or they could go with the fan theory that 007 James Bond is in fact an identity assumed by the next agent after the previous 007 James Bond dies in action... don't really see the need to make James Bond a different race, but don't care either way.

It doesn't work because in the earlier films, Roger Moore gets revenge on a character for killing his wife in an earlier film (in which he wasn't played by Roger Moore).

However, I guess they could introduce it as the new way of doing things, as "Casino Royale" was a reboot of the franchise, making Daniel Craig the very first version of this "new Bond". They could make it explicitly that this Bond has retired - possibly even with a cameo scene featuring Craig - and now someone else is taking on the 007 title and alias "James Bond".

Would be the best way to have him change race and clear up any problems with future changes too... you could even throw in a female James Bond for a few films...

[Nedusa]

Which isn't a relevant counter argument.

As already stated, the Bond films of the last 50 years bear a very small resemblance to the actual written Fleming stuff so why should that suddenly become a reason for Elba to not take on the role?

I can't believe we are wasting our time on here arguing that's its OK for James Bond a fictional character to be a black man even though if you have read any of the Ian Fleming novels you would see how utterly ridiculous that would be.

LMFTO .....!!!!!

[Marsh.]

I can't believe we are wasting our time on here arguing that's its OK for James Bond a fictional character to be a black man even though if you have read any of the Ian Fleming novels you would see how utterly ridiculous that would be.

LMFTO .....!!!!!

AGAIN, as you seem to be missing the point. NONE of the films, especially in recent years much resemble the Fleming novels.

And the fact you mention him being FICTIONAL supports the fact that the film ADAPTIONS don't have to stick to a specific skin colour.

Does Daniel Craig match the physical description from the novels? No. Case closed.

LMFTO .....!!!!! (Laugh My ****ing Toes Off? :shrug:)

[GiRTh]

I can't believe we are wasting our time on here arguing that's its OK for James Bond a fictional character to be a black man even though if you have read any of the Ian Fleming novels you would see how utterly ridiculous that would be.

LMFTO .....!!!!!Why would it be ridiculous given that so many Bonds dont match the Fleming view of the character?

[Nedusa]

To be honest in this instance I am very happy to miss the point....

[Toy Soldier]

I can't believe we are wasting our time on here arguing that's its OK for James Bond a fictional character to be a black man even though if you have read any of the Ian Fleming novels you would see how utterly ridiculous that would be.

LMFTO .....!!!!!

Nah, we live in the era of endless Marvel and DC Universe re-imaginings, I think we're all getting used to the idea of multiverse in our movies and TV shows. For example, the character "Deadshot" in the upcoming "Suicide Squad" movie is going to be played by Will Smith... but the same character is, in my opinion, quite likely to still be a recurring character in the TV show "Arrow", where he is white.

Another example would be The Walking Dead - where the TV show started out following the comics (which are still ongoing) but they have now split into two completely different stories. Same characters but essentially living in an "alternate universe" where some things happen slightly differently, some completely differently, or sometimes not at all...

[Nedusa]

So what is the point of this completely ridiculous thread.... What are we actually discussing ??

Could James bond be played by a black actor

Could James bond be black or Chinese or Indian
Could this happen today in an alternate universe ??

With the greatest respect ......who cares ?? Seriously this is a non thread , surely people have more important things to debate.

[Marsh.]

If you don't wish to discuss it because it's apparently making you strangely angry, leave the thread.

You are not forced to participate.

If you want to know what the thread's about, refresh your mind with the opening post perhaps?

[Vicky.]

Never heard of him, just googled and my god he is hot. IMO thats essential in a James Bond (haven't been happy in that way with any bar Pierce Brosnan :hehe: ) so yeah, good choice

[Marsh.]

Vicky thinks Pierce Brosnan is hot. :omgno:

[Toy Soldier]

So what is the point of this completely ridiculous thread.... What are we actually discussing ??

Could James bond be played by a black actor

Could James bond be black or Chinese or Indian
Could this happen today in an alternate universe ??

With the greatest respect ......who cares ?? Seriously this is a non thread , surely people have more important things to debate.
You do seem to be disproportionately angry about the idea of a black James Bond :joker:.

[Niamh.]

Vicky thinks Pierce Brosnan is hot. :omgno:

My mom loves Pierce Brosnan :hehe:

[Marsh.]

My mom loves Pierce Brosnan :hehe:

:shocked:

[kirklancaster]

My mom loves Pierce Brosnan :hehe:

I love Pierce Brosnan. :blush:

[GiRTh]

Everyone loves Pierce Brosnan.

[Livia]

Pierce Brosnan was an amazing Bond... but a really sloppy kisser. When he kisses someone he looks like he's going to eat their face.

[Marsh.]

This Pierce Brosnan love-in is making me gag. :omgno:

[kirklancaster]

Pierce Brosnan was an amazing Bond... but a really sloppy kisser. When he kisses someone he looks like he's going to eat their face.

So glad you added the last sentence. :laugh: I thought you were talking from personal experience until I read the last.

[kirklancaster]

This Pierce Brosnan love-in is making me gag. :omgno:

"Jealousy. Night and Day You Torture Me". :laugh:

[lostalex]

why not, instead of making him bond, make him a separate agent within the same bond universe, like a spin off. maybe he could even interact with bond in the movies.

[the truth]

Bond can be any colour of the rainbow for all I care, as long as he has the Bond charisma/charm about him, which for me Daniel Craig lacks. Worst Bond so far for me.

finally some sense I agree with every word....I also think theres not enough scots welsh and irish in movies certainly not their accents, Hollywood is obsessed with posh English accents...whether idris is good enough to play bond well? ive no idea ive not seen him much he seems like a cool cat though and a hit with most of the laydees too.
that charisma and charm is what bond needs....craig was an appallingly bad bond, the worst ever.
get the cool suave darkly wry dry humourous sexy swagger back ...scrap the obsession too with cgi , that's not bond and shaking cameras durng fight scenes, what the hecks that all about eh? oh and could we go half an hour without him being lectured by feminists too

[kirklancaster]

why not, instead of making him bond, make him a separate agent within the same bond universe, like a spin off. maybe he could even interact with bond in the movies.

:clap1: My sentiments exactly. Why feck around with Bond and make changes for changes sake? Create a black British Secret Agent role especially for Idris.

[Livia]

I don't have a problem with Idris playing Bond because of his colour. The best version of Henry V I ever saw had a black actor, Adrian Lester, in the lead role and he was absolutely brilliant. I just don't see Idris Elba as Bond. Not suave enough...

For me, Daniel Craig is the closest to the Bond from the books.

[Livia]

LMAO... okay, which bugger changed my avatar?