7 Leaders Live Debate ITV1HD (1Ad) 8PM Thurs 2nd April

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh he just did

[arista]

Lets see if the next time ed speaks he blames dave


Of Course

[Gstar]

Zero hour contracts should be illegal

[Johnnyuk123]

Lets see if the next time ed speaks he blames dave

I keep expecting a dog to walk on screen to save him. Gromit.:joker:

[Kazanne]

Lets see if the next time ed speaks he blames dave

:joker: and he did :joker:

[arista]

Zero hour contracts should be illegal


But some want it

[Marsh.]

I love it when Julie gets strict.

[hijaxers]

But some want it

Very piggin few

[Vicky.]

Literally this.

I've had this strange feeling for like 3 months that UKIP will win

Cant see it this time..possibly by the next election though

[Johnnyuk123]

:joker: and he did :joker:

I don't think Morrisons will have Ed shoving a trolly in an advert after he loses. :joker:

[Kazanne]

I love it when Julie gets strict.

:suspect:

[Gstar]

Is that lenny henry in the audience

[Johnnyuk123]

Nick Clegg speaking total rubbish again.

[Kazanne]

I don't think Morrisons will have Ed shoving a trolly in an advert after he loses. :joker:

He would make a very poor PM imo.

[Marsh.]

:suspect:

:hehe:

[arista]

I love it when Julie gets strict.


But she needs a Buzzer or Bell

[Crimson Dynamo]

I love it when Julie gets strict.

I would out my cross in her ballot box

[Vicky.]

But some want it

Only employers who want to not give sick pay etc...

[Marsh.]

But she needs a Buzzer or Bell

I'll happily buy her a buzzer. :hehe:

[Johnnyuk123]

Lets put all this in very simple terms.

Cameron= i will not fek you over.
Milliband = i will fek you over.
Clegg= i will fek you both.

[Northern Monkey]

WTF is that Plaid Cymru bird doing there?All she mentions is Wales,They need their own debate.

[Kazanne]

But she needs a Buzzer or Bell

In Marsh's case , a whip !!!! lol

[Johnnyuk123]

Ed Milli Vanilliband will not screw you over BUT he did screw his brother over.

[hijaxers]

He would make a very poor PM imo.

Anything even a mangy dog is better than the vile David Cameron

[Glenn.]

I'm still voting Torie

[hijaxers]

I'm still voting Torie

Rather eat worms than let that git back in

[Kazanne]

Anything even a mangy dog is better than the vile David Cameron

Well that remark was helpful,lol,I don't think he's vile so that's all that matters to me:laugh:

[Glenn.]

Rather eat worms than let that git back in

You enjoy your worms. Not here for Wallace moving into Number 10

[Kazanne]

Rather eat worms than let that git back in

Eat worms then,:joker:

[hijaxers]

Well that remark was helpful,lol,I don't think he's vile so that's all that matters to me:laugh:

Each to their own

[Gstar]

shut up about wales, why is this woman even there

[Glenn.]

http://i.imgur.com/u9eWzlG.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

It took french employers 6 months to get around their ban on zero hours and now the scheme is in tatters

[Kazanne]

http://i.imgur.com/u9eWzlG.jpg

:joker::joker::joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

shut up about wales, why is this woman even there

Because she rrepresents over 590 Welsh people in the Rhondda valley

[Johnnyuk123]

Lets forget politics for a moment and be honest. Ed Millidand would not get a shag in a gay chat room just from the face pic alone..:joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

Can someone post the bacon butty pic please?

[kirklancaster]

Milliband's biggest problem is this:

His pitch, tone and inflexion of voice is almost IDENTICAL to 'Tory Poster Boy' TONY BLAIR.

Go back to his opening spiel and mentally superimpose Blair's face on Ed's - you'll see what i mean.

Nigel's SINCERITY shines through and the COMMON SENSE of what he is saying is glaring..

[hijaxers]

Lets forget politics for a moment and be honest. Ed Millidand would not get a shag in a gay chat room just from the face pic alone..:joker:

Yeah its all about shagability at the end of the day

[Johnnyuk123]

Yeah its all about shagability at the end of the day

And no one wants to shag ed Milliband,:joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

Farage is solid.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sturge hits another home run

[arista]

http://i.imgur.com/u9eWzlG.jpg



Bang On Right

[Crimson Dynamo]

I know joeysteele will be loving sturgeon right now

[Johnnyuk123]

Clegg ranting to Cam is simply based on the fact that he will no be in power very soon.

[Vicky.]

Why is 3 million more apprenticeships seen as a good thing? These apprenticeships are just being used as a way to pay people less...like usual. Apprentice cleaner...apprentice coffee shop assistant...etc

[Vicky.]

Sick of hearing about labour crashing the british economy now tbh. GLOBAL recession. Also everything would have been much worse under the tories anyway D:

[arista]

Lost Control Lady

[Vicky.]

Why is noone there representing northern ireland? :suspect:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are the woman doing better than the men?

[Vicky.]

Honestly wishing UKIP had a chance tbh. The rest talk so much rubbish its unbelievable.

[Vicky.]

Are the woman doing better than the men?

No. Not at all D:

[Johnnyuk123]

Sick of hearing about labour crashing the british economy now tbh. GLOBAL recession. Also everything would have been much worse under the tories anyway D:

But Vicky the British Public spoke 5 yrs ago and voted for the tories because Labour borrowed too much and put us in this situation.

[Marsh.]

Because she rrepresents over 590 Welsh people in the Rhondda valley

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why is noone there representing northern ireland? :suspect:

The DUP guy found out Sturgeon was a Catholic and said " f uck that"

[kirklancaster]

Why is 3 million more apprenticeships seen as a good thing? These apprenticeships are just being used as a way to pay people less...like usual. Apprentice cleaner...apprentice coffee shop assistant...etc

Don't forget Vicky, the fact that officially there will automatically be another "3 Million" less people on the dole. What a coup! What a con.

[arista]

Why is noone there representing northern ireland? :suspect:


Because the BBC is doing it
out there

[Vicky.]

But Vicky the British Public spoke 5 yrs ago and voted for the tories because Labour borrowed too much and put us in this situation.

They did not cause the crash...and tories wanted banks less regulated, so everything would have been worse. I dont care how the public voted, thats the truth. People were sick of labour in general, but to say they caused the recession is idiotic

[Marsh.]

Why is noone there representing northern ireland? :suspect:

They're still pretending they're not in the UK.

[Marsh.]

That Scottish woman needs some kind of muzzle.

If only they had independence. :inamood:

[Johnnyuk123]

If this whole process was based not on politics but on good looks then cam would win with Farage getting second place.:joker:

[Vicky.]

I could imagine going for a pint with farage tbh. Seems so...normal.

[Marsh.]

I could imagine going for a pint with farage tbh. Seems so...normal.

Come off it. You'll go for a pint with anyone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I could imagine going for a pint with farage tbh. Seems so...normal.

He us

He lives in a semi and drives a beat up old car

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id like to go for a tofu latte with ed

[hijaxers]

But Vicky the British Public spoke 5 yrs ago and voted for the tories because Labour borrowed too much and put us in this situation.

Really did labour do it to the usa to ? Bankers caused the problems and still are

[Marsh.]

We have a crazy bitch finally!!! :amazed:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kizzy in audience

:omgno:

[Vicky.]

Shut up woman, noone gives a crap bout climate change anymore. Thats so 10 years ago :fist:

[arista]

A lady Standing UP

Whatever next

[Marsh.]

Kizzy in audience

:omgno:

:joker:

[arista]

Shouting Out


in the final 15mins

[Kazanne]

Kizzy in audience

:omgno:

:joker::joker: I wondered where she was

[Marsh.]

I hope she does what that violinist did to Cowell and eggs him at the end.

[Jay.]

A lady Standing UP

Whatever next

:joker:

[arista]

Look at Clegg

Keeps using the ladys name


SHUT UP

[Crimson Dynamo]

Clegg nigel said that at 8.15

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tea lady drags ed

[Marsh.]

".....wales...."

:facepalm:

[Kazanne]

Cameron getting applause

[Glenn.]

David clocking labour :love:

[Vicky.]

Sick of ****ing hearing wales now. Go home

[arista]

The Final Statements


Finishing Early?

[Marsh.]

Go home

Spoken like a true UKIP supporter. :fan:

[arista]

David clocking labour :love:


They all did

[Kazanne]

That was really interesting actually,I've ruled Milliband out anyway.

[Vicky.]

Spoken like a true UKIP supporter. :fan:

:laugh:

[Marsh.]

And none of us give a sh*t about you.

[Johnnyuk123]

Cameron wins hands down with Farage second for his total honesty.:worship::worship::worship:

[hijaxers]

The Final Statements


Finishing Early?

Well lets face it - Dave's Fecked

[Samuel.]

None of them are convincing or likeable.

[Johnnyuk123]

The SNP says fek you who are not scottish.

[Vicky.]

That was really interesting actually,I've ruled Milliband out anyway.

LOL. Come off it kazanne, as if you hadnt ruled him out ages ago :joker:

This is like me saying now 'oh, no way am I voting for Cameron after that show' :D

[Glenn.]

Clegg is an awful surname. Reminds me of a vagina.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wish we could have 2 more of these

[arista]

Well lets face it - Dave's Fecked


No he gets the Final statement


King Of The Hill

[Crimson Dynamo]

Im going to vote for the wales lady

She has turned me

[Glenn.]

Ed Milliband seriously makes me cringe

[hijaxers]

No he gets the Final statement


King Of The Hill

1st rate Tosser - bye Davy baby ya knob end

[Vicky.]

Im voting monster raving loony party, and noones convincing me otherwise :hmph:

[Vicky.]

wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales, wales,

[Johnnyuk123]

The key word here for Ed Milliband is IF I'm, PM. You won't be PM ed cos no one believes you and your bull shyte.

[arista]

Im going to vote for the wales lady

She has turned me


You Beast

[Vanessa]

:laugh:

[Marsh.]

I'm sorry but is she appealing to Great Britain to vote her in power to make WALES stronger? :umm2:

Not a very convincing argument.

[Kazanne]

LOL. Come off it kazanne, as if you hadnt ruled him out ages ago :joker:

This is like me saying now 'oh, no way am I voting for Cameron after that show' :D

:laugh:Thats what I said I have ruled Milliband out.I thought he might have brought something to the table but he didn't, all he does is slag Cameron off.can't warm to him as much as I try:hehe:

[Glenn.]

Why is an Australian running for British government?

[Marsh.]

Why is an Australian running for British government?

:joker:

[Glenn.]

Was she exiled or?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yaaaas Nigel

[Vicky.]

:laugh:Thats what I said I have ruled Milliband out.I thought he might have brought something to the table but he didn't, all he does is slag Cameron off.can't warm to him as much as I try:hehe:

Same both ways I would say. Obsessed with each other, part of the reason that (for me) Farage won tonight. He was the only one to actually answer the questions instead of deflecting everything onto others

[Gstar]

Bye David

[Johnnyuk123]

Cam wins!:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[arista]

Why is an Australian running for British government?


No NZ

[Glenn.]

Cameron is my god.

[arista]

Cam wins!:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:


He Did well

[Crimson Dynamo]

That was good and well done host lady

[Kazanne]

Same both ways I would say. Obsessed with each other, part of the reason that (for me) Farage won tonight. He was the only one to actually answer the questions instead of deflecting everything onto others

I don't dislike Farage he said some useful stuff tonight,he's one to watch

[arista]

Ed rushed over to David

[hijaxers]

Cam wins!:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

The BOOBY prize

[Samuel.]

Seriously hate the whole "I'm one of you" bollocks from Farage.

[hijaxers]

Cameron is my god.

Sure ya don't mean dog - proper nasty pedigee

[Glenn.]

Is hijaxers a school boy or something?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Seriously hate the whole "I'm one of you" bollocks from Farage.

:nono:he is

If you are over 30 or so

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sturgeon - little known across much of the UK outside Scotland - more than holding own in heavyweight company. Debate has worked for her.

Says bbc chief political correspondent

[Samuel.]

:nono:he is

If you are over 30 or so

It literally has no meaning whatsoever.

[kirklancaster]

Im going to vote for the wales lady

She has turned me

I think what swung you was her pm to you offering you your own harem of sheep and an unlimited supply of free wellies. :joker:

Which on reflection wasn't a baa-d offer.

[Vicky.]

Seriously hate the whole "I'm one of you" bollocks from Farage.

They all try this though tbf..just Farage does it better

I could actually be tempted to vote UKIP (based on tonight plus reading their manifesto thing that someone posted in another thread) if I wasn't convinced that Farage will get into bed with Cameron...

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think what swung you was her pm to you offering you your own harem of sheep and an unlimited supply of free wellies. :joker:

Which on reflection wasn't a baa-d offer.

:fist: i was doing a pee and it backed into me

[kirklancaster]

Same both ways I would say. Obsessed with each other, part of the reason that (for me) Farage won tonight. He was the only one to actually answer the questions instead of deflecting everything onto others

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[kirklancaster]

:fist: i was doing a pee and it backed into me

:joker:

[kirklancaster]

They all try this though tbf..just Farage does it better

I could actually be tempted to vote UKIP (based on tonight plus reading their manifesto thing that someone posted in another thread) if I wasn't convinced that Farage will get into bed with Cameron...

Actually LISTENING to what Farage says, then I do not know HOW anyone - even TRUE SOCIALISTS - can find any fault with him or his party's policies.

Labour and the Tories have peddled this same CRAP year in year out but never DELIVER - just more of the same inefficiency and self-serving and corruption. It's time to give Farage a chance. His policies make political, economic and patriotic sense and he deserves a chance. If he only achieves half of what he promises to achieve, then he will still eclipse the big two, and they've had decades of chances.

The UK needs SAVING before it can be HEALED and Farage is THE ONLY MAN capable of doing both.

[Nedusa]

Farage won that by a mile ... The only person who sounded genuine and wasn't scared to tackle the big questions.

[Brother Leon]

Out of the big dogs, it went Clegg>Miliband>Farage>Cameron.


All in all, I think the Scottish one did well. Still undecided tbh. At this rate I would be voting just for the sake of it.

[kirklancaster]

Was she exiled or?

It's their revenge on us for the Botany Bay/Sydney Cove years. :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bbc saying SNP big winners

[kirklancaster]

Farage won that by a mile ... The only person who sounded genuine and wasn't scared to tackle the big questions.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Welcome back Nedusa.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Farage won that by a mile ... The only person who sounded genuine and wasn't scared to tackle the big questions.

:clap1:

[kirklancaster]

Bbc saying SNP big winners

:shrug: What?? They must mean on the National Lottery. No way did Nicola 'Jeanette Krankie' Sturgeon win anything - except perhaps 'Second Most Boring' behind the Welsh Windbag.

[Cherie]

:shrug: What?? They must mean on the National Lottery. No way did Nicola 'Jeanette Krankie' Sturgeon win anything - except perhaps 'Second Most Boring' behind the Welsh Windbag.

Nige spent too much time gurning
Nicola kicked arse

[bots]

Nigel blew any chance his party has of picking up new seats by targeting the hiv community. Such a small number/saving if it was stopped. It was political suicide. Game over.

Again Ed didn't convince me he would be a solid PM, and that's what he needs to do if he is going to get the votes. He just doesn't come across as credible, and he doesn't seem to have learned from Gordon's mistakes.

[Marsh.]

He didn't target HIV, he used it as an example.

[Ross.]

I'm sorry but is she appealing to Great Britain to vote her in power to make WALES stronger? :umm2:

Not a very convincing argument.

Only Welsh people can vote for her can't they? Same with the SNP and Scotland

[joeysteele]

Ye gods is this the best we can get as to a debate. Far too controlled and sadly nothing new as to learning anything that we didn't know before.

The female leaders performed pretty good and for me Nicola Sturgeon was on top form,even in a subdued way.
Absolutely the best for me tonight.

The looks Clegg was getting from David Cmeron were priceless, I knew Cameron would have to get in the point that he and Clegg have worked on policy for 5 years and that he was a bit tired of him putting that work down.
I agreed with Cameron on that,Clegg acted liek he was responsible for nothing worng that had happened in the last 5 years.

However David Cameron did for me seem a bit lost.
While Ed Miliband did enough to, I think, to sway some more voters but unfortunately in the absence of the manifesto details from each party, there could be no real scrutiny or challenge done in this debate.
It ended up a talking shop, that really went nowhere in my view.

I will never support Nigel Farage but his closing address was the best by far and Ed Milbands opening address the best there.
Although I disagree with Nigel Farage on most things,I do admire how he sticks to his guns.
He and Nicola Sturgeon for me peformed the best as in the debate but not,in his case,as to the content of what he said.
Plus his hiv example was extremely uncalled for and very low stunt to pull.

Really, if this is the best these debates can be then it may be best not to have them,everyone played reasonably safe, no one gave too much away as to detailed policy, we as voters learned nothing, I would say, we didn't already know.

I think being the first of the debating programmes last time in 2010, that with Nick Clegg doing so well in all 3, Brown and Cameron were overshadowed then too.
This time, David Cameron seemed unwilling to challenge at all,and I can see why he didn't want any of these debates really probably.

Such debates are no use whatsoever if most of the participants are frightened of saying the wrong thing.
It was for me, a feeling of like watching a film you could not get into or understand.
With the plot remaining hidden all through and never even revealed at the end of the film.
Sorry poor show for me and I doubt it will change much really.

Well done to Natalie Bennet, she did better tonight and I was pleasantly surprised at Leanne Wood,she may even get one extra seat out of this debate in Wales.

[empire]

http://b2-cwigCYAA84zD.jpg nigel farage speaks with ease,

[Crimson Dynamo]

The example of his was good. Nigel sees a problem and the Welsh hag and sturgeon dodged it and just said "oh but the humanity"

Great luv but what your plan to deal it?

[Josy]

The green lady and the Welsh chick can **** right off

Don't even get me started on Nicola, that **** couldn't run a bath.

Good ol dread and dare I say it farage >>>>>>

[Crimson Dynamo]

The green lady and the Welsh chick can **** right off

Don't even get me started on Nicola, that **** couldn't run a bath.

Good ol dread and dare I say it farage >>>>>>

:joker:

[bots]

He didn't target HIV, he used it as an example.

He made an example of an emotive subject that has very little relevance in healtth tourism, very bad move I think.... and clearly I'm not alone :laugh:http://i.imgur.com/QcTHmnI.jpg

[Ross.]

Don't even get me started on Nicola, that **** couldn't run a bath.


:joker:

[Marsh.]

Only Welsh people can vote for her can't they? Same with the SNP and Scotland

So get them the **** off this live debate. :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Marsh and Josy Turning ukip tonite

:clap1:

[Marsh.]

He made an example of an emotive subject that has very little relevance in healtth tourism, very bad move I think.... and clearly I'm not alone :laugh:http://i.imgur.com/QcTHmnI.jpg

It's a small number.

Some of the blockheads there this evening can only deal with examples concerning smaller numbers which they can get their head around.

Either way, HIV isn't the heart of the example. It could've been anything cancer or any other illness. The point is the percentages that are not British nationals.

I love that we're a humane nation who would help our fellow human beings but IT'S NOT WORKING. :fist:

[kirklancaster]

The green lady and the Welsh chick can **** right off

Don't even get me started on Nicola, that **** couldn't run a bath.

Good ol dread and dare I say it farage >>>>>>

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[kirklancaster]

Marsh and Josy Turning ukip tonite

:clap1:

:joker: Closet UKIPPERS :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

How many times did the word Billion come up tonight?

[Cherie]

Marsh and Josy Turning ukip tonite

:clap1:

:umm2: incredible

[Marsh.]

:umm2: incredible

Go home! :fist:

[kirklancaster]

Go home! :fist:

:joker: According to LT, Cherie is shacked up with me in a squat in Glasgow. So she'll go home when I do.

[joeysteele]

He made an example of an emotive subject that has very little relevance in healtth tourism, very bad move I think.... and clearly I'm not alone :laugh:http://i.imgur.com/QcTHmnI.jpg

I totally agree.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker: According to LT, Cherie is shacked up with me in a squat in Glasgow. So she'll go home when I do.

:joker:

[Cherie]

Go home! :fist:

No :smug: if I go who will support the idle British :fist:

[Cherie]

:joker: According to LT, Cherie is shacked up with me in a squat in Glasgow. So she'll go home when I do.

/:laugh:

[MTVN]

Farage is a good speaker and convincing in what he says. Overall though, his party is a joke. Their policies are mainly as if they've been jotted down on the back of a fag packet, they've changed them so many times in the last few months that most of Ukip's leading figures never seem to know what they stand for and continuously contradict each other. They will live and die with Farage who conjures up each policy on a whim, he'll moderate them when he wants to engage with the mainstream and then make them more extreme when he wants to reassure Ukip's original base. Every time any one of their party appears on a major channel or gets interviewed they end up looking stupid. They're fortunate with the defections to some extent in that Carswell gives them another intelligent and articulate voice. Reckless is not so good but still a mile ahead of most other leading Kippers.

Rambling a bit now after a few co-ale-itions but there we are

[Marsh.]

No :smug: if I go who will support the idle British :fist:

Josy :fist:

[kirklancaster]

Josy :fist:

:laugh: Yeah Josy's got multiple jobs so she's probably supporting most of Britain now.

[Cherie]

Josy :fist:

I'll book my flight

[kirklancaster]

Farage is a good speaker and convincing in what he says. Overall though, his party is a joke. Their policies are mainly as if they've been jotted down on the back of a fag packet, they've changed them so many times in the last few months that most of Ukip's leading figures never seem to know what they stand for and continuously contradict each other. They will live and die with Farage who conjures up each policy on a whim, he'll moderate them when he wants to engage with the mainstream and then make them more extreme when he wants to reassure Ukip's original base. Every time any one of their party appears on a major channel or gets interviewed they end up looking stupid. They're fortunate with the defections to some extent in that Carswell gives them another intelligent and articulate voice. Reckless is not so good but still a mile ahead of most other leading Kippers.

Rambling a bit now after a few co-ale-itions but there we are

:laugh: We'll let you off then Matt.

[MTVN]

My rankings are:

1. Miliband
2. Clegg
3. Farage
4. Cameron

And I actually like Cameron and don't really like Miliband but Dave was very uninspiring tonight, just looked like he was desperate to get through it

[kirklancaster]

My rankings are:

1. Miliband
2. Clegg
3. Farage
4. Cameron

And I actually like Cameron and don't really like Miliband but Dave was very uninspiring tonight, just looked like he was desperate to get through it

You have obviously had more than a few Matt. :hehe:

[MTVN]

You have obviously had more than a few Matt. :hehe:

Not impressed by Cleggy tonight Kirk?

[kirklancaster]

Not impressed by Cleggy tonight Kirk?

No Matt - he seemed very insincere and spouted too many 'sound bites'.

[MTVN]

No Matt - he seemed very insincere and spouted too many 'sound bites'.

That was the problem with all of them tonight, they got such little time and were so unable to get into any flowing debate that all they could do was get in a few sound bites before they moved onto the next leader. 7 people trying to all debate each other simply doesn't work.

[bots]

I thought they all spent too much time attacking Cameron, giving him lots of air time to make his points. Ed always seems to want to attack Cameron, and given we have all first hand experience of him for the last 5 years, what exactly does that achieve? Ed needs to come across as the future PM, at the moment he is as much a puppy as Nick is.

[user104658]

7 people trying to all debate each other simply doesn't work.

Exactly why that's the way it happened. A 7 way "debate" isn't a debate at all, it's a farce.

[kirklancaster]

That was the problem with all of them tonight, they got such little time and were so unable to get into any flowing debate that all they could do was get in a few sound bites before they moved onto the next leader. 7 people trying to all debate each other simply doesn't work.

I do agree. That's what galled me; how some (mainly the Green jerk-off) proffered their remedies' but we never heard how they were planning to fund these 'miraculous cure alls' - except Farage who explained it would be out of the billions saved from the £9/10 billion saved on our EU net cost.

[empire]

the establishment are having sleepless night because of the ukip army of voters,

[the truth]

7 PEOPLE OR 20 PEOPLE farage nailed the lot of them
sturgeon was solid
clegg was a smug fool
Cameron was solid enough
miliband a joke, even Leanne wood nailed him
the green leaf hippie was a harmless joke
wood didn't do much but she nailed miliband on welsh nhs

[the truth]

My rankings are:

1. Miliband
2. Clegg
3. Farage
4. Cameron

And I actually like Cameron and don't really like Miliband but Dave was very uninspiring tonight, just looked like he was desperate to get through it

1 farage
2. Cameron
3 sturgeon
4 wood
5 clegg
6 the hippie
7 the champagne socialist

[the truth]

Nigel blew any chance his party has of picking up new seats by targeting the hiv community. Such a small number/saving if it was stopped. It was political suicide. Game over.

Again Ed didn't convince me he would be a solid PM, and that's what he needs to do if he is going to get the votes. He just doesn't come across as credible, and he doesn't seem to have learned from Gordon's mistakes.

this is where youre 100% WRONG. hes not playing a game like everyone else targeting who wants to hear what....farage simply said THE TRUTH....the truth is always the best thing to say and he has the balls to say it..........can we afford for our nhs to pay 60% of of its hiv virus treatments to foreigners, its a legitimate question? at £25,000 per injection. that's £175 million a year....but its the principle that's the real point

[bots]

this is where youre 100% WRONG. hes not playing a game like everyone else targeting who wants to hear what....farage simply said THE TRUTH....the truth is always the best thing to say and he has the balls to say it..........can we afford for our nhs to pay 60% of of its hiv virus treatments to foreigners, its a legitimate question? at £25,000 per injection. that's £175 million a year....but its the principle that's the real point

I think I'm 100% correct. Nigel may have said some things that nationalists will support, but in terms of main stream acceptability, he blew it with that statement. They will now pick up next to no seats. I would go as far as to say he sealed a Tory victory

[the truth]

I think I'm 100% correct. Nigel may have said some things that nationalists will support, but in terms of main stream acceptability, he blew it with that statement. They will now pick up next to no seats. I would go as far as to say he sealed a Tory victory

well we shall have to agree to disagree....he said the truth, he asked the question are we here to pay for this? he also asked Leanne wood back should it be 7000 , 17,000 people? how many? where do we draw the line? she avoided the question didn't answer it and hid behind her false outrage as so many dishonest politicians always do........these are questions that must be asked and are always asked behind closed doors....whose lives do we save? who can we afford to save? lets be truthful for once and have this debate in public....so I ask you bit on the side how many people from abroad should we give these injections to? 7000 as it is or more or less? why do other nations give so much less? how is this figure reached? can we afford the fact that 60% of the hiv patients we treat are foreignors? ill admit I don't know the answer but its right that farage actually asks the question, I applaud him for that

[arista]

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[Marsh.]

"Massdebate"

:umm2:

[Jay.]

Well, I wonder who the Sun are backing? :think:

[bots]

well we shall have to agree to disagree....he said the truth, he asked the question are we here to pay for this? he also asked Leanne wood back should it be 7000 , 17,000 people? how many? where do we draw the line? she avoided the question didn't answer it and hid behind her false outrage as so many dishonest politicians always do........these are questions that must be asked and are always asked behind closed doors....whose lives do we save? who can we afford to save? lets be truthful for once and have this debate in public....so I ask you bit on the side how many people from abroad should we give these injections to? 7000 as it is or more or less? why do other nations give so much less? how is this figure reached? can we afford the fact that 60% of the hiv patients we treat are foreignors? ill admit I don't know the answer but its right that farage actually asks the question, I applaud him for that

Your making it into something that it really wasn't about though. Nigel wanted to make some political points over health tourism. If its a big issue, you highlight the scale of it in general terms, because that equates to quantifiable savings/benefits. He chose to highlight it by being controversial when he didn't need to be. That's a mistake and believe me, it will cost him the main stream vote.

[Marsh.]

Ugly bastards who won the lottery.

[empire]

farage has a point, about spending more. how can we spend more, when we are borrowing ,and are in huge debt, he was right about the foreign aid, it needs cut, and the money we give to the eu needs cut big time,

[the truth]

Your making it into something that it really wasn't about though. Nigel wanted to make some political points over health tourism. If its a big issue, you highlight the scale of it in general terms, because that equates to quantifiable savings/benefits. He chose to highlight it by being controversial when he didn't need to be. That's a mistake and believe me, it will cost him the main stream vote.

so how many should we give the aids drugs to? why don't you just answer the question honestly instead of sanctimonious preaching? he made legitimate points, most other nations need health insurance we don't? why? £100+ million on treating foreigners with aids? is this our job? 60% of those treated are foreigners? all part of the exact same argument and discussion.

[the truth]

farage has a point, about spending more. how can we spend more, when we are borrowing ,and are in huge debt, he was right about the foreign aid, it needs cut, and the money we give to the eu needs cut big time,

he was the ONLY one who knew the debt and stated its doubled to a record £1.5 trillion. they've grown the economy marginally but the debt has increased. this means simply there are massive cuts coming and huge tax rises. scary times

[empire]

till their is a global treaty that every country in the word treats, hiv and aids, with the free drugs, why should we be the only country in the world, that treats it free, 1 drug for treating hiv, costs 25.000 pair person, so how can we save the nhs, when trying to save the world, the nhs was not made for that reason,

[Kizzy]

I'm so conflicted, I have to say I heard some things tonight I'm not happy about tbh.
The leader of the SNP and the greens impressed me the most, and I feel so sorry for Wales it sounds like a right mare living there :/
Ed could've been more brutal, he has all the ammo he should've annihilated cameron :fist:

[Marsh.]

Ed could've been more brutal, he has all the ammo he should've annihilated cameron :fist:

He needs balls for that.

[Kizzy]

He needs balls for that.

Ed balls?..... :laugh:

[empire]

does ed balls have the balls for that

[joeysteele]

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There's other papers arista saying differently and no poll has David Cameron as outright winner.

The Torygraph even only highlights the poll that says the most wide margin of who won, all others have David Cameron and Ed Miliband up there in joint lead and one has Miliband the winner.

This selective media presentation is boring and aslo is a turn off for voters due to their bias,and quite frankly the SUN is looking deperate now because the one person who didn't look PM material last night was the current PM David Cameron who seemed lost and wanting to kepep in the background all the time in this debate.
The Sun backed a loser in Cameron in 2010 and failed to influence voters to give him an overall majority and I hope it gets egg on its face again in May.

[arista]

Joey
the Outright Winner was SNP.


No way did your "No more Boom & Bust man"
Ed - do well

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/03/01/273D136400000578-3023579-image-a-3_1428019289807.jpg



More that Vote SNP
can destroy Labour

Utter Bliss

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Joey
the Outright Winner was SNP.


No way did your "No more Boom & Bust man"
Ed - do well



More that Vote SNP
can destroy Labour

Utter Bliss

I thought Nicola Sturgeon won it too arista but the papers you rpsent as reflecting what happened last night are totally biased ones that do not reflect the result at all.
Most of the polling,even on voting intentions has Labour just ahead still,and also have Miliband and Cameron wherever they rank on the list of 7 leaders jut about neck and neck.
One poll has Miliband,Cameron and Sturgeon on 21% each, I don't see you mentioning that poll, or the one that had Miliaband on 25% and Cameron on 24%

I'd rather look at all the polls overall not just take the one I like as gospel,like the Torygraph did.
As for the Sun, as I said they are just pathetically irrelevant and not worth the paper it is printed on.
Because although Miliband could have done a little better, he did do better than Cameron who was just so terrified of saying anything he shouldn't let slip that he hardly interjected or said much at all.
he stood there like a spare part a fair bit of the time.
Hardly an act of a confident or worthy PM.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/02/22/273C755300000578-3023579-image-a-174_1428010540205.jpg
Why the feck did this 33 year old Stand Up

Why did ITV Staff Not dragg her out?

[arista]

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[kirklancaster]

well we shall have to agree to disagree....he said the truth, he asked the question are we here to pay for this? he also asked Leanne wood back should it be 7000 , 17,000 people? how many? where do we draw the line? she avoided the question didn't answer it and hid behind her false outrage as so many dishonest politicians always do........these are questions that must be asked and are always asked behind closed doors....whose lives do we save? who can we afford to save? lets be truthful for once and have this debate in public....so I ask you bit on the side how many people from abroad should we give these injections to? 7000 as it is or more or less? why do other nations give so much less? how is this figure reached? can we afford the fact that 60% of the hiv patients we treat are foreignors? ill admit I don't know the answer but its right that farage actually asks the question, I applaud him for that

:clap1::clap1::clap1: And I applaud you for the above TRUTH.

[kirklancaster]

Redundant post.

[Northern Monkey]

I think what swung you was her pm to you offering you your own harem of sheep and an unlimited supply of free wellies. :joker:

Which on reflection wasn't a baa-d offer.

Would have to throw in some velcrow gloves to turn me...

[joeysteele]

Well, I wonder who the Sun are backing? :think:

The Sun, I am told by my Dad has never supported Labour in an election.It swas behind personally Blair in 1997,2001 and 2005 but I don't believe Labour as a whole.

It was not behind even John Smith as Labour leader before his death which then saw Tony Blair take over.
Then Mr Murdoch and the SUN decided they liked cheshire cat,smarmy,Tony Blair and supported him, not really the labour party in 3 elections, and I actually believe too had Tony Blair still been leader and PM in 2010,the Sun would probably have at least been neutral as to him again since they supported him on the Iraq issue.

The moment Gordon Brown took over in 2007 the Sun started to really criticise again,and in 2009 declared its support for Cameron and the Conservatives.
I have never looked at it as anything but a biased paper, just as the Mirror is to Labour too,I just get sick of supposed 'news'papers telling us how we should vote and for whom too.
Especially from their biased positions.

the Sun also doesn't seem to like leaders from Scotland or Wales really, so unless a leader has an English seat,that may be another prejuduced stand the Sun takes.
I hate this publication with a passion, it would be in the fiction area of publications for me or even comics,(well in truth it wouldn't exist if I had my way),maybe not a comic as sadly some of the stands it takes are far from funny however.

[Crimson Dynamo]

well done to ITV and the presenter who like a good ref in a top game kept order, let the game flow and was unnoticed throughout.

[Jay.]

I'm watching it now, why does the presenter keep cutting people off, it's so infuriating...

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm watching it now, why does the presenter keep cutting people off, it's so infuriating...

she has a schedule and questions that they all need to address but they cannot go on to long - she has the timetable, they do not.

[kirklancaster]

she has a schedule and questions that they all need to address but they cannot go on to long - she has the timetable, they do not.

She looked so hot and elegant, and oh so 'posh totty-ish' in those specs, that i couldn't care if she didn't let them speak at all and the camera stayed on her all night. :joker:

[kirklancaster]

Would have to throw in some velcrow gloves to turn me...

:joker: Perv.

[Kizzy]

Cameron has been very canny in his wording in articles and again last night he accused Ed of putting his hand in peoples pockets, and has used the term 'pickpocket' to describe taxation.
Is the bedroom tax not pickpocketting? was forcing those on benefits to pay council tax not pickpocketting? was raising value added tax not pickpocketing?
Was the attempt at a 'pasty tax' on cheap warm food not pickpocketting? ( before the bung from ginsters and greggs)

[the truth]

the fact miliband and co didn't bring up vat was very revealing

[Kizzy]

So it's more important to analyse what they didn't say rather than what they did say?... That seems like fuzzy logic to me.

[the truth]

So it's more important to analyse what they didn't say rather than what they did say?... That seems like fuzzy logic to me.

both need to be analysed

[joeysteele]

I'm watching it now, why does the presenter keep cutting people off, it's so infuriating...

I thought she was poor actually, often once a real good point was seemingly being debated she then cut the whole thing off.
Okay she had a time schedule to stick to but it was really annoying.

I think she was one of the reasons the whole thing was rather lack lustre at best.
She certainly failed to encourage 'real' debate in my view.

[joeysteele]

the fact miliband and co didn't bring up vat was very revealing


I agree,I am surprised no one mentioned VAT, espeically in relation to Nick Clegg, who in the 2010 election promised his party would never support a rise in VAT.

To be fair to all politicians,they cannot rule out rises to everything,however experience has it that the Conservatives have regularly increased and extended vat whereas Labour have not.
In fact I believe Margaret Thatchers govt; was the first to increase vat from its introduction, near doubling it from 8% to 15%.

[arista]

I'm watching it now, why does the presenter keep cutting people off, it's so infuriating...


Because they Spoke over the time limit
she needed a Buzzer or bell


7 there
all have to get a go
JAY

[the truth]

I agree,I am surprised no one mentioned VAT, espeically in relation to Nick Clegg, who in the 2010 election promised his party would never support a rise in VAT.

To be fair to all politicians,they cannot rule out rises to everything,however experience has it that the Conservatives have regularly increased and extended vat whereas Labour have not.
In fact I believe Margaret Thatchers govt; was the first to increase vat from its introduction, near doubling it from 8% to 15%.

they should lower vat asap to stimulate the economy and put more money in the pockets of the "working"working classes...and increase the top rate of tax on the rich as only liberals suggested and draw up tighter laws and enforcement officers to collect the billions of unclaimed corporate taxes. the ONLY people they've raised taxes on are the disabled?

[the truth]

as you may have noticed I detest new labour and think miliband will be as bad as blair
but I must say some of camerons display last night worried me, especially the part where when challenged he would tax the disabled by sturgeon he just went quiet. it reminded me of the time they debated abortion in the house and amidst all the disgusting heckling he laughed sat down and simply said oh I give up.....there was a moment or two where I thought does dave really want this anymore?

[joeysteele]

as you may have noticed I detest new labour and think miliband will be as bad as blair
but I must say some of camerons display last night worried me, especially the part where when challenged he would tax the disabled by sturgeon he just went quiet. it reminded me of the time they debated abortion in the house and amidst all the disgusting heckling he laughed sat down and simply said oh I give up.....there was a moment or two where I thought does dave really want this anymore?

For me a very telling moment indeed,one that really worries me and infuriates me.
We have however been told that the voters will not be told by him and George Osborne until after the election,what the cuts will be in welfare and where they will fall.
Almost 12 billion of them they are going to make and it has to be from the disabled for to reach that figure, as they have ruled out any alterations to pensioners,rich and poor or the extra benefits and payments to same.

This should really worry everyone that believes in any kind of fairness and yes, his silence actually spoke volumes.

[Kizzy]

Yes of course he went quiet, he is accusing Milliband of pickpocketting taxpayers whilst planning to mug the disabled! And still nothing seems to stick to these teflon coated tory basts :/

[Kizzy]

Tea anyone?...
6_6w1RSesdw

[joeysteele]

She is right, this govt;has also.like others, not looked after military personnel who need help.

In fact what this govt; has in fact done to defence and the forces overall leaves a lot to be desired and to many that should be a massive surprise from a Conservative led govt:

This is why more debates were needed so that people could challenge on these issues and at least get them raised.
After this again, no wonder David Cameron feared doing them.

[bots]

I don't see the need for any further debates. I didn't learn anything new from the first 2 events, and we know pretty much what each party is going to do:

Labour ... make a few small cost savings and raise taxes
Tories ... cut public spending
lib dems ... do pretty much nothing apart from fiddle about
UKIP ... leave the EU and generally create animosity in every direction.

People can argue the toss about the benefits/disadvantages of any of the strategies till the cows come home, but no party will commit to details on cuts/tax hikes for the next 5 years.

I think the reason most people don't know who to vote for is because whatever choice is made its not going to be pleasant, debating it for weeks isn't going to change that until we have a surplus of cash, and people feel secure again.

[Kizzy]

I'm disgusted fracking wasn't raised and it's knocking me off them all.