Who won The ITV Leaders' Debate?

[zakman440]

Natalie Bennett, Nick Clegg, Nigel Farage, Ed Miliband, Nicola Sturgeon, Leanne Wood or David Cameron?

[Black Dagger]

Slay Nat slay.

[kirklancaster]

Nigel's SINCERITY shines through and the COMMON SENSE of what he is saying is glaring..

Milliband's biggest problem is this:

His pitch, tone and inflexion of voice is almost IDENTICAL to 'Tory Poster Boy' TONY BLAIR.

Go back to his opening spiel and mentally superimpose Blair's face on Ed's - you'll see what i mean.

[Vicky.]

Farage for me, surprisingly

Followed by Clegg, but I know cleggs full of rubbish

[the truth]

Nigel's SINCERITY shines through and the COMMON SENSE of what he is saying is glaring..

Milliband's biggest problem is this:

His pitch, tone and inflexion of voice is almost IDENTICAL to 'Tory Poster Boy' TONY BLAIR.

Go back to his opening spiel and mentally superimpose Blair's face on Ed's - you'll see what i mean.

EXACTLY...the similarities are frightening

[the truth]

the questions were pathetic....immigration again really? nhs ? same old...nothing about corrupt councils , endless waste, road works ruining towns, nothing on the enslavement tax VAT, nothing on high rates ruining towns....nothing even on wars, barely a word for the disabled either


farage is way ahead for sincerity common sense and not playing to the audience like most of the other fakes. he was spot on.

sturgeon has made a few tidy points especially about merging the social and health care as I mentioned in another thread. she failed on Europe though

Cameron solid. he underlined the changes hes made and the fact Europeans wont be allowed benefits straight away nor send child benefits home etc but he slipped up on taxing the disabled he didn't deny it was going to happen

miiiband is just awful. a poor mans blair. he wants to legislate us into bankruptcy. he was smug preachy arrogant and chatting s*it the whole time. everything he claimed he wants to stop he actually encouraged in government. he built the economy with the gap between rich and poor biggest in 200 years? he also failed to address the failure of welsh nhs under labour who have CUT budgets and increased burocracy and middle management. what a joke he is.

Leanne wood average, though strangely attractive...she did nail miliband on zero hours contracts though fair play..new labour were using them and never stopped them lol...it was odd to hear wales actually mentioned much in these debates...lets hope the northern irish get a look in next time..she rightly said wales gave the nhs to the world which is true with neu bevan and Lloyd George...but a lot of her other stuff was too predictable and lacked depth

clegg came across as even faker than miliband, hes just so smug and sanctimonious
the green peace lady made a few half valid points but she lives on la la land. her sums will never ever add up.

[Daniel-X]

after watching the debate I'm really unsure of who to vote my mum and dad have always voted labour and his is my second year voting last time I didn't chose to vote which I regret but I didn't really have an idea at 19. I'm really against UKIP and the Green Party, Scottish independence party and Welsh party mean nothing to me. I can't stand David Cameron :shrug:

For me after judging all the policies I think I'm either going to vote Labour or the Lib-Dems. Probably end up voting labour but I can't say none are really making me want to vote for them.

[Toy Soldier]

Leanne wood average, though strangely attractive...


D:

[Mystic Mock]

I think that Leanne is quite underrated in this debate imo.

She questioned both Labour and Tories on their dangerous Policies, she seemed to have Wales as her interest, and she came up with a very strong EU Referendum plan.

[the truth]

D:

no?

[MTVN]

Ultimately after May 7 only 4 of these leaders are going to be relevant (Farage is not one of them btw) and of those Miliband and Clegg were the best

[empire]

I wish alan bastard, was a real person, if he was their, it would be great laugh, nigel farage is the new statesman.

[Daniel-X]

Ultimately after May 7 only 4 of these leaders are going to be relevant (Farage is not one of them btw) and of those Miliband and Clegg were the best

:clap1:

[Daniel-X]

I've just realised I've sort of got the question wrong. Tonight even though I won't vote for them Nicola Stuergon shined through as a real strong leader I felt and I perosnalky felt that Clegg did also. Meanwhile Farage just seemed to sort every policy out by blaming it on immigration. Miliband unfortunately is too weak of a leader for labour.

[zakman440]

Honestly, I think that Nicola Sturgeon won the debate in the end, closley followed by Leanne Wood and Ed Miliband.

[the truth]

sturgeon was solid but weak on Europe.

[Kizzy]

I really like Nicola, I really hope it's a Labour /SNP coalition

[Shaun]

I don't know why I voted since I didn't watch. I just assumed Cameron would slither through the show with the more convincing lies.

[Kizzy]

You voted for the lizard?.. :idc:

[Shaun]

Well I won't be in May so that's all that matters :hehe:

[Brother Leon]

Clegg and Sturgeon.

[arista]

The polls on the news have the Winner as SNP


Well Done her

[joeysteele]

Really no one was that outstanding but Nicola Sturgeon for me performed the best, she was reasoned and knew her stuff.

Ed Miliband performed the better of the 3 main party leaders,David Cameron seemed like someone with very little to say and he appeared to want to avoid any in depth analysis of what he was saying.

Nigel Farage as ever performed really good until his hiv example, that will cause him some problems I feel.
However, as Nicola Sturgeon asked, was there anything Nigel Farage wouldn't blame on foreigners,a valid point after last night as to him actually.

Nick Clegg,tried desperately to disassociate himself from some of the really severe things this govt; has done and rightly in the end got a rebuke for his stance from David Cameron.
That was Nick Cleggs' problem last night, David Cameron in the main put forward his policies from 2010 throughout this parliament, even being allowed to go too far on some.
Nick Clegg abandoned all his party's principles and the bulk of his policies to be in govt;,this is the price you pay for betraying the voters who trusted you,while you then act in your own interests.

[joeysteele]

I really like Nicola, I really hope it's a Labour /SNP coalition

I would love to see that too Kizzy,going on a road with more fairness,justice and compassion would be a breath of fresh air and I think a great success in the end too.

What she did last night was to allay fears of those,well, those who were willing to listen that is, that the SNP is not going to be a wrecking force at westminster but a strongly committed one to more 'understanding' policies across the whole of the UK.

[kirklancaster]

I really like Nicola, I really hope it's a Labour /SNP coalition

:facepalm: Kirk sets off with a van load of sand and cement to begin rebuilding Hadrian's Wall. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Sorry, but I just think there's something 'fishy' about Nicola Sturgeon. :hehe: Oh, and Farage didn't 'walk out' he stayed and slayed.

[bots]

Nicola had prepared well and spoke well, don't trust her at all though.

Given that Cameron had the record to defend, he should have been hamstrung by the others, and he really wasn't. Nothing was thrown at him that he couldn't answer. Miliband was as bland as ever. With Nigel, some of his prejudices came poking through, more will come out over the next few weeks. Underwhelmed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What was interesting was the rehearsed way Milliband acted, turning to the camera to make a point, swivelling to cameron time and time again. People dont want American politics (and he has a very highly paid Washington adviser as does Dave) they prefer the realism of Farage and Sturgeon.

You dont win things like this but you can gain status and the ladies won the show from that point.

[arista]

What was interesting was the rehearsed way Milliband acted, turning to the camera to make a point, swivelling to cameron time and time again. People dont want American politics (and he has a very highly paid Washington adviser as does Dave) they prefer the realism of Farage and Sturgeon.

You dont win things like this but you can gain status and the ladies won the show from that point.


Yes and Glaring at the Camera
even when it moved.


Joeys Top man
Fake

[Pete.]

Well it wasn't Natalie Bennett

[joeysteele]

Funny how different people see things, anyway, for me, David Cameron will have probably done nothing to draw back voters who have gone to UKIP, he just didn't as the PM of the UK take Nigel Farage on at all,and frankly David Cameron was sunk when Ed Miliband highlighted how isolated Cameron has become in Europe,David Cameron too, was lost when Farage hammered home the fact that Merkel in Germany caled the shots in the EU really.
he had no answers at all to any of that.
He may in fact have sent even more 'soft' Conservative support at present to UKIP.

Ed Miliband didn't do too that good but he did enough and the loud message from the debate was that Cameron's way forward was not acceptable to all the others in the main.
What also happened was that Nicola Sturgeon purged pretty well the ogre image being painted by Cameron and the Conservatives as to the SNP.
Which may well have made a Labour led govt; with SNP support less negative now for voters.
This was his only chance really to take on the other leaders of parties in the UK. and Cameron said very little at all and challenged even less from and as to them.

Miliband will be in the next debate, neither Cameron or Clegg will.
As was said on the news today,it appeared like Cameron just wanted to get it over with as quickly and quietly as possible and there were even times Clegg didn't appear to want to be there either.

Cameron rarely connected,seemingly shy of the cameras and was very downbeat and glum throughout.
For a sitting PM with a supposed good record to defend, there was little evidence for me that was the case at all or that this was even a worthy PM too.

All he could do was harp on about creating 2,000,000 jobs while at the same time, dismissing the near unanimous view of the others that the jobs were not secure or even regular full time jobs.
he again left himself and ooked totally isolated on that too.

No killer blows were struck by any of them really, that would have been hard to do anyway with 7 of them there and the limited time.
However the polls seem to be saying overall, no change has ocurred from the debate,things are still close except that the SNP,thanks to Nicola Sturgeon's performance and explanation of their policies,has come across as far more credible now.

[MTVN]

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I thought (again) Cameron was detached and not really engaged in the debate (it may be a tactic from his Washington advisor?) Milliband just tries too hard and his obsession with Dave and his "if I am your PM" tactic (again probably from his USA advisor) became tiresome.

I found the 3 ladies refreshing probably because they spoke for themselves and less from advisers.

But from listening to 5 live/lbc this morning Nicola was the star.

Nigel preached a l;ovely sermon to the converted and as JS said the sounds of that sermon may have drifted from the High Church of UKip down the country lanes and into the ears of some flaky Tory voters.

[MTVN]

In truth it was fairly sensible from Cameron. He might not have lit up the debate but he came through it unscathed and the election is still far enough away now that by May 7 this debate and the memory of it won't impact that much on voters in their view of him. That's about as good as any PM can hope for in a debate like this unless their five years in office have been ones of unqualified success.

[Crimson Dynamo]

In truth it was fairly sensible from Cameron. He might not have lit up the debate but he came through it unscathed and the election is still far enough away now that by May 7 this debate and the memory of it won't impact that much on voters in their view of him. That's about as good as any PM can hope for in a debate like this unless their five years in office have been ones of unqualified success.

Yes I think it may have been the tactic and it may prove to be the right one, if not the most televisual

[joeysteele]

:facepalm: Kirk sets off with a van load of sand and cement to begin rebuilding Hadrian's Wall. :laugh:

Scotland is still part of the UK and since the UK asks and expects the Scots to vote in westminster elections, then if the Scots choose to elect large numbers of the SNP, that is democracy.
They then should have every right to fight for Scotland and to influence all they can as to govt; at westminster as much as anyone else elected to westminster in a democratic election.

Why also should a party that has seen its voters almost wipe out entirely the Conservative representation there,then be expected to in any way help shore it up in govt;
For Scotland and Wales, the Labour party will be the main UK party that gets the higher support of the 3 present main parties n those countries,so why should the SNP and Plaid Cymru not be able to, as full members of the UK, work with the party more in line with their policies, and keep the one a world away from what they would like to see 'out' if they can.

Or is it that the UK just should have one form of govt;
No wonder we cannot get changes to the voting system in the UK with views like that,which would discriminate against parties legitimately elected in democratic elections for westminster, from 'all' the parts and all countries of the UK.

[kirklancaster]

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Who do you think won the leaders' TV debate?


Natalie Bennett 2% 230 votes

Nick Clegg 2% 256 votes

Nigel Farage 34% 4,991 votes

Ed Miliband 7% 1,051 votes

Leanne Wood 2% 305 votes

Nicola Sturgeon 18% 2,614 votes

David Cameron 35% 5,078 votes





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3023800/QUENTIN-LETTS-Leanne-valleys-straight-recording-Gavin-Stacey.html#ixzz3WElST2Sb

[Northern Monkey]

I just can't trust Sturgeon.She just seems so insincere and untrustworthy imo.She always has that Scottish agenda in everything she does and she has no interest in the UK as a whole,Just to grab what she can for Scotland and feck everyone else.
Also her stand our defence is just plain irresponsible.
I have been a Labour voter in the past but i can't fecking stand Millibland and Labour are weak on immigration and did nothing good in their previous terms in government.
Conservatives never.I would have to sell my soul to vote that way and i never will.
Clegg is a good speaker but the LibDems are just willing to bend over and be anyones bitch and go along with anyone just to have that 15 minutes(5 years) of fame.
Greens would turn this country into some kind of hippy commune with no transport,power or defences and our kids would be eating tofu and nut roll sandwiches for their school dinners.
For me Farage slayed with a cool air of confidence and he is the change from the 2 old parties that this country needs.He said nothing i disagree with and alot i do agree with.My vote for policies survey came back 100% UKIP so i will be proudly voting UKIP even though they have no chance of winning.Gotta vote for what you believe in.

[kirklancaster]

Scotland is still part of the UK and since the UK asks and expects the Scots to vote in westminster elections, then if the Scots choose to elect large numbers of the SNP, that is democracy.
They then should have every right to fight for Scotland and to influence all they can as to govt; at westminster as much as anyone else elected to westminster in a democratic election.

Why also should a party that has seen its voters almost wipe out entirely the Conservative representation there,then be expected to in any way help shore it up in govt;
For Scotland and Wales, the Labour party will be the main UK party that gets the higher support of the 3 present main parties n those countries,so why should the SNP and Plaid Cymru not be able to, as full members of the UK, work with the party more in line with their policies, and keep the one a world away from what they would like to see 'out' if they can.

Or is it that the UK just should have one form of govt;
No wonder we cannot get changes to the voting system in the UK with views like that,which would discriminate against parties legitimately elected in democratic elections for westminster, from 'all' the parts and all countries of the UK.

Joey, I put the 'Joker' emoticon on the end of my statement to illustrate it was a 'light-hearted' post.

That said, I would hate the thought of a Labour/SNP coalition government.

Labour -- A party which has had infinite terms in office, and who has NEVER delivered on its pre-Election promises, and who are as culpable as the Tories in initiating, continuing with, or supporting policies which have not only DAMAGED this country, but also inflicted great penury on the most vulnerable classes of society - the very class which they purport to be 'The Protectors' of.

The SNP -- A party whose very 'raison d'etre' is the fracturing of the United Kingdom, seriously 'passing themselves off' as THE most fitting party to govern that very same UK?

What a combination.

I'm sorry but I feel that after more than 60 years of the same tedious inefficiency, corruption and clueless-ness, it is time for a 'sea change'. Time to pull the rug completely from beneath the complacent feet of the big two. Time to give Nigel Farage a chance.

No sane impartial person can fault Farage on what he says he is going to do, and therefore, the only reasons his detractors 'hang out' there are wildly speculative 'boogeyman' scare stories of what he will do if he ever gets into power.

Once again, I am sorry but the above 'he might do' hypothesising does not persuade when held against the historical realities of the track record of what the Labour and Tory parties actually did and didn't do when they were in power. Especially when - if Farage does not deliver, or if he turns 'extreme' once in power - we have the vote to remove him, and any damage inflicted by such policies over one solitary term in office, is but a 'feather stroke' in comparison to 60 years of damaging 'non-government' from the other parties.

[arista]

In truth it was fairly sensible from Cameron. He might not have lit up the debate but he came through it unscathed and the election is still far enough away now that by May 7 this debate and the memory of it won't impact that much on voters in their view of him. That's about as good as any PM can hope for in a debate like this unless their five years in office have been ones of unqualified success.


Yes a great 2 hour Debate
that got SNP above Labour


The next debate is the 5 outsiders
so Clegg and Ed can fight again
2 weeks thursday BBC1HD 19th April

[arista]

Farage brought up Foreigners getting free HIV drugs
its a around £18,000 a year in cost. (a general google search)

We must be open about this
does this mean a Cancer patient
can not get funding
because of this?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The discourse between Nigel and the Welsh lady says it all. He was dealing in facts and she was just spouting emotion.

Politics is about the reality of life not the fantasy, its why socialism never works - it may be lovely to say we must help everyone and be nice and what would jesus do etc but the reality is somewhat different.

[joeysteele]

Joey, I put the 'Joker' emoticon on the end of my statement to illustrate it was a 'light-hearted' post.

That said, I would hate the thought of a Labour/SNP coalition government.

Labour -- A party which has had infinite terms in office, and who has NEVER delivered on its pre-Election promises, and who are as culpable as the Tories in initiating, continuing with, or supporting policies which have not only DAMAGED this country, but also inflicted great penury on the most vulnerable classes of society - the very class which they purport to be 'The Protectors' of.

The SNP -- A party whose very 'raison d'etre' is the fracturing of the United Kingdom, seriously 'passing themselves off' as THE most fitting party to govern that very same UK?

What a combination.

I'm sorry but I feel that after more than 60 years of the same tedious inefficiency, corruption and clueless-ness, it is time for a 'sea change'. Time to pull the rug completely from beneath the complacent feet of the big two. Time to give Nigel Farage a chance.

No sane impartial person can fault Farage on what he says he is going to do, and therefore, the only reasons his detractors 'hang out' there are wildly speculative 'boogeyman' scare stories of what he will do if he ever gets into power.

Once again, I am sorry but the above 'he might do' hypothesising does not persuade when held against the historical realities of the track record of what the Labour and Tory parties actually did and didn't do when they were in power. Especially when - if Farage does not deliver, or if he turns 'extreme' once in power - we have the vote to remove him, and any damage inflicted by such policies over one solitary term in office, is but a 'feather stroke' in comparison to 60 years of damaging 'non-government' from the other parties.

Well my totally disastrous combination and result would be the Conservatives around 10 to 15 seats short and then backed up in govt; by UKIP and the DUP.
I would just about rather have any result other than that one.

If we look at the main parties, in the main to keep his party happier, Cameron has embarked on some of the most rotten imaginable policies possible,Labour too in govt; have done the same to keep certain sections of their party happy too.

Nigel Farage may mean well but he has difficulty with a handful of European MPs and from what I ahve ehard and seen revealed as to the thinking of candidates for UKIP, I am filled with suspicions as to what this one man Farage could do against a whole set of MPs with views like we have heard over the last few years.

Of course for me, I don't want to leave the EU and also am not in the slightest bothered about a referendum as to same.

However, Nigel Farage makes a great play on free speech and democracy,yet he does not want 16 and 17 year olds to have a vote in any referendum.
Why not, probably because in the main the younger in UK society appear to lean more to being part of Europe not out of it.
Also he indicates,those here from other countries, who are working here, registered to vote too but not of British origin should also not have a vote in a referendum.

That starts to sound like strong discrimination actually and borders on dicatatorship too.
So a definite no thank you from me, to Nigel Farage and UKIP,I still believe as a great many probably do,that they have an unpleasant hidden agenda behind their smiles.

The SNP have also never once said they will want another referendum for support at westminster but for me, why should they not have it,they were conned by the 3 party eladers when it looked like Cameron was going to preside over the first break up of the UK.
Now the Scots have voted to stay, we get some of the little englanders screaming they should have no say as to power in westminster.
What utter hypocrisy, we wanted them to stay in the UK but now expect them to do nothing and keep quiet.
Says a lot for the UK and its idea of democracy that does.

[kirklancaster]

Who do you think won the leaders' TV debate?


Natalie Bennett 2% 230 votes

Nick Clegg 2% 256 votes

Nigel Farage 34% 4,991 votes

Ed Miliband 7% 1,051 votes

Leanne Wood 2% 305 votes

Nicola Sturgeon 18% 2,614 votes

David Cameron 35% 5,078 votes





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3023800/QUENTIN-LETTS-Leanne-valleys-straight-recording-Gavin-Stacey.html#ixzz3WElST2Sb

So??? Who won? And who came second? :D

[Kizzy]

Well my totally disastrous combination and result would be the Conservatives around 10 to 15 seats short and then backed up in govt; by UKIP and the DUP.
I would just about rather have any result other than that one.

If we look at the main parties, in the main to keep his aprty happier, Cameron has embarked on some of the most rotten imaginable policies possible,Labour too in govt; have done the same to keep certain sections of their party happy too.

Nigel Farage may mean well but he has difficulty with a handful of European MPs and from what I ahve ehard and seen revealed as to the thinking of candidates for UKIP, I am filled with suspicions as to what this one man Farage could do against a whole set of MPs with views like we have heard over the last few years.

Of course for me, I don't want to leave the EU and also am not in the slightest bothered about a referendum as to same.

However, Nigel Farage makes a great play on free speech and democracy,yet he does not want 16 and 17 year olds to have a vote in any referendum.
Why not, probably because in the main the younger in UK society appear to lean more to being part of Europe not out of it.
Also he indicates,those here from other countries, who are working here, registered to vote too but not of British origin should also not have a vote in a referendum.

That starts to sound like strong discrimination actually and borders on dicatatorship too.
So a definite no thank you from me, to Nigel Farage and UKIP,I still believe as a great many probably do,that they have an unpleasant hidden agenda behind their smiles.

The SNP have also never once said they will want another referendum for support at westminster but for me, why should they not have it,they were conned by the 3 party eladers when it looked like Cameron was going to preside over the first break up of the UK.
Now the Scots have voted to stay, we get some of the little englanders screaming they should have no say as to power in westminster.
What utter hypocrisy, we wanted them to stay in the UK but now expect them to do nothing and keep quiet.
Says a lot for the UK and its idea of democracy that does.

True, it shocks me the way that the Scots are referred by the tories, and how Ed Miliband is constantly accused of dancing to the SNP tune... We are together and Scotland is part of the UK so why the suspicion?
Farage is so against being partnered with the EU due to the rules and the provisos, but what is the cost of taking a seat in the WTO? Is that proviso free, we have never had an explanation on what our future out of the EU would entail.

[Cherie]

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

[kirklancaster]

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

Brilliantly pointed out Cherie (why don't you move in with me in my squat? :hehe:)

[kirklancaster]

True, it shocks me the way that the Scots are referred by the tories, and how Ed Miliband is constantly accused of dancing to the SNP tune... We are together and Scotland is part of the UK so why the suspicion?
Farage is so against being partnered with the EU due to the rules and the provisos, but what is the cost of taking a seat in the WTO? Is that proviso free, we have never had an explanation on what our future out of the EU would entail.

The EU for the UK has been an unmitigated disaster.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whatever Sturgeon says or however well she came across I could never really shake the fact that I can't vote for her party, I want politicians up there who care about all of the UK and want to govern the country as a whole. Maybe Sturgeon does want a say in governing the country but only as a means to an end of breaking up the UK or at the very least having ever more powers and money devolved to Scotland, and I'm sorry but that is just not something that anyone outside of Scotland wants or is interested in happening.

Its easy to take that view when your own country is 10 ntimes biugger than any other in the union etc etc

I would imagine if you lived in Wales , NI or Scotland your view may differ as it would if Scotland had 50 million and england 5.

[MTVN]

Its easy to take that view when your own country is 10 ntimes biugger than any other in the union etc etc

I would imagine if you lived in Wales , NI or Scotland your view may differ as it would if Scotland had 50 million and england 5.

It's easy because it's true: no one outside of Scotland can vote SNP, they do want to break up the Union, and they do think they should have more powers and more money. Not hard to see why that is disagreeable to English voters no matter how much we are portrayed as bloated overlords desperate to keep the poor Scots and Welsh down. IMO the Union won't survive more than another two decades, and just as important as the SNP and Plaid Cymru to that will be when England gets fed up of always being the villain of the play. If a Labour/SNP coalition is the result of the election there will be a hell of a lot of Englanders wishing that Scotland would have voted Yes after all.

[Kizzy]

The EU for the UK has been an unmitigated disaster.

And what is the proposed alternative?

[Kizzy]

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

How is this, I thought she was totally against leaving the EU?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/29/nicola-sturgeon-scottish-veto-eu-referendum

[Kizzy]

It's easy because it's true: no one outside of Scotland can vote SNP, they do want to break up the Union, and they do think they should have more powers and more money. Not hard to see why that is disagreeable to English voters no matter how much we are portrayed as bloated overlords desperate to keep the poor Scots and Welsh down. IMO the Union won't survive more than another two decades, and just as important as the SNP and Plaid Cymru to that will be when England gets fed up of always being the villain of the play. If a Labour/SNP coalition is the result of the election there will be a hell of a lot of Englanders wishing that Scotland would have voted Yes after all.

We are portrayed as bloated overlords as our current government are governing like bloated overlords.

[the truth]

in the end its either Cameron or miliband and id say Cameron did a lot better.

[Crimson Dynamo]

in the end its either Cameron or miliband and id say Cameron did a lot better.

he did but then he holds all the aces on the economy and its the economy that elections are won and lost on..

[billy123]

This forums ever increasing stupidity and growing racial intolerance never ceases to amaze.
Do people just hear Farages carefully worded quips or do they even attempt to think about the consequences of what he is actually saying?
This bigoted man is very dangerous. "Aww but he is just a mate from the pub" fcuk me and i thought Boris with his buffoon act was dangerous this **** leaves him in the dirt.

[Kizzy]

Only yougov has cameron ahead.

[hijaxers]

in the end its either Cameron or miliband and id say Cameron did a lot better.

Better - he made himself look like a complete clown

[bbollie99]

Natallie B won without a doubt, followed by Sturgent and Wood!

[the truth]

Better - he made himself look like a complete clown

I agree miliband was embarrassing, he was a massive part of the wreckage of the last labour disaster, last night we saw his whole blarist persona his over coaching, his look to the question , turn to camera raise out the arm pointing with bent hand cue fake smile .....awful.

[arista]

Natallie B won without a doubt, followed by Sturgent and Wood!

She was left alone alot
as she will not get any MP's
other than Caroline
predictions are saying

[the truth]

the green hippy was reading from notes a lot didn't look good

[Kizzy]

She made one great point, and that was to resopnd to the real winner Victoria Prosser who highlighted the plight of homeless ex military and fracking.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/02/tv-leaders-debate-heckler-victoria-prosser

[Samuel.]

This forums ever increasing stupidity and growing racial intolerance never ceases to amaze.
Do people just hear Farages carefully worded quips or do they even attempt to think about the consequences of what he is actually saying?
This bigoted man is very dangerous. "Aww but he is just a mate from the pub" fcuk me and i thought Boris with his buffoon act was dangerous this **** leaves him in the dirt.

:clap2:

[JoshBB]

Leanne Wood for sure.

What the **** are you all on.. nigel farage. lmao. is this the annual kkk meetup?

[the truth]

She made one great point, and that was to resopnd to the real winner Victoria Prosser who highlighted the plight of homeless ex military and fracking.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/02/tv-leaders-debate-heckler-victoria-prosser yes those are points that the opponents to the tories should hammer on about....but miliband failed to bring it up. and natalie just briefly touched on..the treatment of ex soldiers is a sick joke....Cameron even rambled about charities helping them...FCKING charities? patronising twaddle...they should get compensation a fat pension and military hopsitals....fracking is another nightmare on the horizon. also no one mentioned the severn barrage which should have happened 30 years ago already , but its never too late

[arista]

She made one great point, and that was to resopnd to the real winner Victoria Prosser who highlighted the plight of homeless ex military and fracking.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/02/tv-leaders-debate-heckler-victoria-prosser


Yes but that 33 year old broke the rule
& had to be dragged out

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/02/22/273C755300000578-3023579-image-a-174_1428010540205.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

This forums ever increasing stupidity and growing racial intolerance never ceases to amaze.
Do people just hear Farages carefully worded quips or do they even attempt to think about the consequences of what he is actually saying?
This bigoted man is very dangerous. "Aww but he is just a mate from the pub" fcuk me and i thought Boris with his buffoon act was dangerous this **** leaves him in the dirt.

The irony of your post is brilliant


I know better than all you idiots and you are all idiots for liking an idiot who thinks he knows it all


:rolleyes:

[Crimson Dynamo]

She made one great point, and that was to resopnd to the real winner Victoria Prosser who highlighted the plight of homeless ex military and fracking.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/02/tv-leaders-debate-heckler-victoria-prosser

no she embarrassed herself and did not respect democracy.

Dave dealt with her immature petulance well

[Cherie]

This forums ever increasing stupidity and growing racial intolerance never ceases to amaze.
Do people just hear Farages carefully worded quips or do they even attempt to think about the consequences of what he is actually saying?
This bigoted man is very dangerous. "Aww but he is just a mate from the pub" fcuk me and i thought Boris with his buffoon act was dangerous this **** leaves him in the dirt.

No need to lump all forum users in with the kippers :nono:

[Kizzy]

no she embarrassed herself and did not respect democracy.

Dave dealt with her immature petulance well

I don't feel she did, I was very proud of her impassioned stance on behalf of others... Many politicians should take note.

[the truth]

Leanne Wood for sure.

What the **** are you all on.. nigel farage. lmao. is this the annual kkk meetup?

ah youre just after a milf lol

[Kizzy]

:facepalm: Kirk sets off with a van load of sand and cement to begin rebuilding Hadrian's Wall. :laugh:

Farage must have the same idea, his policies are built on pillars of sand.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't feel she did, I was very proud of her impassioned stance on behalf of others... Many politicians should take note.

take note of what, thinking she is above the rules, ruining people's enjoyment, shouting like an oik. It was embarrassing. If she is so keen go and stand for a party and make a difference.

[arista]

no she embarrassed herself and did not respect democracy.

Dave dealt with her immature petulance well


Fecking Bang On Right LT


Rules are Rules

[Kizzy]

take note of what, thinking she is above the rules, ruining people's enjoyment, shouting like an oik. It was embarrassing. If she is so keen go and stand for a party and make a difference.

It was an impromptu plea, and there was no law in place she was free to speak...we all are, for now.
Kudos to her, it was a good point well made. She may not wish to become a cog in the system, that doesn't mean her voice should be so small it can't be heard.

[arista]

It was an impromptu plea, and there was no law in place she was free to speak...we all are, for now.
Kudos to her, it was a good point well made. She may not wish to become a cog in the system, that doesn't mean her voice should be so small it can't be heard.


The Cogs Are Turning
is the best way

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/02/22/273C755300000578-3023579-image-a-174_1428010540205.jpg
Everyone who went in there read a notice
that Scatty 33year old hag
Broke the Studio Rule
Fact

[Kizzy]

Rules are like promises, made to be broken. Cameron should be more able than most to identify with that.

[joeysteele]

I agree, bit ironic that she wants each countries votes counted in referendum on Europe so they won't be dragged out when her party would have taken Scotland out of Europe had they won a yes vote

She wouldn't have Cherie to be fair, the SNP wanted to remain part of the EU or join it if they couldn't at the point of independence.

I myself really believe in the 18 monthns to 2 year period before independence was in force for Scotland that the Eu would have accommodated them and fasttracked them as members too.

In fact it was the UK that as a memebr of the EU had Scotland left the UK, who maybe should have been forced to look at its EU status,after all without Scotland the United Kingdom is no longer in fact the United Kingdom at all.

It is SNP policy to be in the EU, the SNP wants Scotland to remain in the EU, hence why with 3 other Nations as part of the UK, I think she had a valid point as to that all Nations of the UK should agree to leaving the EU via a referendum and not just have the South of England in the main dictate to the whole of the rest of the UK.

[Kizzy]

I agree it was just one of the scare tactics used to ensure a no for some that Scotland would be forced out of the EU if they gained independence.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/17/spain-independent-scotland-years-eu-membership

[arista]

Rules are like promises, made to be broken. Cameron should be more able than most to identify with that.


Not in a 2 Hour Important Debate

[Kizzy]

Not in a 2 Hour Important Debate

Important being the operative word. She wanted answers and reassurances that the country would be safe, and was there in front of the most powerful people in the country.. It's an opportunity that would most likely never happen again.
And she spoke, as is her right.

[joeysteele]

Not in a 2 Hour Important Debate

Then he should have agreed to do more debates to possibly do so and then be challenged on same.

[arista]

Important being the operative word. She wanted answers and reassurances that the country would be safe, and was there in front of the most powerful people in the country.. It's an opportunity that would most likely never happen again.
And she spoke, as is her right.


But Kizzy she had No Mic
it does not work

[Cherie]

She wouldn't have Cherie to be fair, the SNP wanted to remain part of the EU or join it if they couldn't at the point of independence.

I myself really believe in the 18 monthns to 2 year period before independence was in force for Scotland that the Eu would have accommodated them and fasttracked them as members too.

In fact it was the UK that as a memebr of the EU had Scotland left the UK, who maybe should have been forced to look at its EU status,after all without Scotland the United Kingdom is no longer in fact the United Kingdom at all.

It is SNP policy to be in the EU, the SNP wants Scotland to remain in the EU, hence why with 3 other Nations as part of the UK, I think she had a valid point as to that all Nations of the UK should agree to leaving the EU via a referendum and not just have the South of England in the main dictate to the whole of the rest of the UK.

I agree it was just one of the scare tactics used to ensure a no for some that Scotland would be forced out of the EU if they gained independence.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/17/spain-independent-scotland-years-eu-membership


I just found it a bit hypocritical of her as her party would have taken Scotland out albeit temporarily, there were no guarantees of re entry. Even though I thought she came across well I wouldn't want SNP to be part of a coalition, The SNP only wish to feather Scotlands nest and have no interest in what happens elsewhere if they can swing no tuition fees and prescription charges what would they do if the got into Westminster.

[arista]

Then he should have agreed to do more debates to possibly do so and then be challenged on same.


You are talking Rubbish



He is doing a QT solo.

on the same night Nick and ED solo

30th of April. BBC1HD


The PM may still go on Ch5HD Wright Stuff
Blair went on that and a Women got out of her chair
to attack him

[Kizzy]

But Kizzy she had No Mic
it does not work

I heard her ok, and as Joey said more debates would have been an excellent idea, maybe they could have incorporated more freeform debate?

[Kizzy]

You are talking Rubbish



He is doing a QT solo.

on the same night Nick and ED solo

30th of April. BBC1HD


The PM may still go on Ch5HD Wright Stuff
Blair went on that and a Women got out of her chair
to attack him

It makes perfect sense to me too.

[arista]

I heard her ok, and as Joey said more debates would have been an excellent idea, maybe they could have incorporated more freeform debate?


But others in there did not
you have to have a Mic.



No Kizzy your bad order
days are gone

[Kizzy]

But others in there did not
you have to have a Mic.



No Kizzy your bad order
days are gone

They're not gone... she spoke didn't she? :laugh:

[joeysteele]

I just found it a bit hypocritical of her as her party would have taken Scotland out albeit temporarily, there were no guarantees of re entry. Even though I thought she came across well I wouldn't want SNP to be part of a coalition, The SNP only wish to feather Scotlands nest and have no interest in what happens elsewhere if they can swing no tuition fees and prescription charges what would they do if the got into Westminster.

Well the SNP has been able to do that as to tuition fees and prescription charges because they are doing so well as a Scottish parliament.
Our govts; chose not to do those things here but how a great many wish they would.

If she could influence and bring that about, then for me the sooner we have the SNP in support for a UK govt; the better.
They don;t have to get into westminster they are already there,they have 6 MPs at present.
Also in 1979,the Conservative party was glad they were there too because they voted with the Conservatives to bring down the Callaghan Labour govt; in the Conservative party's motion of no confidence in that govt;

The SNP have been in Westminster for decades now and in my view if the Scots elect 20 or especially far more than that of them in May, then they have every right to be involved in govt; if they are prepared to support a party in govt; to ensure stability of UK govt:

[joeysteele]

You are talking Rubbish



He is doing a QT solo.

on the same night Nick and ED solo

30th of April. BBC1HD


The PM may still go on Ch5HD Wright Stuff
Blair went on that and a Women got out of her chair
to attack him

No one is talking rubbish people are saying what they think arista.

The QT programme is not a debate where other leaders could challenge directly each other on what they say, and you know fine well it isn't too.

He,and 'only he' wouldn't do any more leaders debates as you also well know.

[arista]

No one is talking rubbish people are saying what they think arista.

The QT programme is not a debate where other leaders could challenge directly each other on what they say, and you know fine well it isn't too.

He,and 'only he' wouldn't do any more leaders debates as you also well know.

Yes we all know why
the Broadcasters Fecked up
they first said no Greens

The Fecking Bossy BBC screwed up this years
debates (Spending over a year Fecking it up)


ITV had the best one
Fact

[Cherie]

Well the SNP has been able to do that as to tuition fees and prescription charges because they are doing so well as a Scottish parliament.
Our govts; chose not to do those things here but how a great many wish they would.

If she could influence and bring that about, then for me the sooner we have the SNP in support for a UK govt; the better.
They don;t have to get into westminster they are already there,they have 6 MPs at present.
Also in 1979,the Conservative party was glad they were there too because they voted with the Conservatives to bring down the Callaghan Labour govt; in the Conservative party's motion of no confidence in that govt;

The SNP have been in Westminster for decades now and in my view if the Scots elect 20 or especially far more than that of them in May, then they have every right to be involved in govt; if they are prepared to support a party in govt; to ensure stability of UK govt:


That's the thing though Joey I think she would only be interested in promoting Scottish issues to the detriment of the rest.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's the thing though Joey I think she would only be interested in promoting Scottish issues to the detriment of the rest.

what like all the scottish issues david cameron promotes

:idc:

[Kizzy]

You could say that about many MPs, that they are only interested in the south or wherever they're based.

[Cherie]

what like all the scottish issues david cameron promotes

:idc:

Not doing too badly are you, you don't have to pay for your viagra :idc: will you vote UKIP or SNP ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No doing too badly are you, you don't have to pay for your viagra :idc: will you vote UKIP or SNP ?

SNIPK

[Cherie]

You could say that about many MPs, that they are only interested in the south or wherever they're based.

Most don't want to break up the UK :laugh:

[Cherie]

SNIPK

Decisions, decisions :hehe: I have no clue who to vote for :shrug: it won't be UKIP though

[arista]

Most don't want to break up the UK :laugh:


Some do in the Zone
Kizzy Lives

[Pete.]

Nick Clegg - 0%

Lol

[arista]

Decisions, decisions :hehe: I have no clue who to vote for :shrug: it won't be UKIP though

Conservative
Stable and Safer

[kirklancaster]

Not doing too badly are you, you don't have to pay for your viagra :idc: will you vote UKIP or SNP ?

:joker: LT doesn't need Viagara - He needs Niagara to cool him down. :joker:

[Northern Monkey]

I would hate the thought of a Labour/SNP coalition government.

Labour -- A party which has had infinite terms in office, and who has NEVER delivered on its pre-Election promises, and who are as culpable as the Tories in initiating, continuing with, or supporting policies which have not only DAMAGED this country, but also inflicted great penury on the most vulnerable classes of society - the very class which they purport to be 'The Protectors' of.

The SNP -- A party whose very 'raison d'etre' is the fracturing of the United Kingdom, seriously 'passing themselves off' as THE most fitting party to govern that very same UK?

What a combination.

I'm sorry but I feel that after more than 60 years of the same tedious inefficiency, corruption and clueless-ness, it is time for a 'sea change'. Time to pull the rug completely from beneath the complacent feet of the big two. Time to give Nigel Farage a chance.

No sane impartial person can fault Farage on what he says he is going to do, and therefore, the only reasons his detractors 'hang out' there are wildly speculative 'boogeyman' scare stories of what he will do if he ever gets into power.

Once again, I am sorry but the above 'he might do' hypothesising does not persuade when held against the historical realities of the track record of what the Labour and Tory parties actually did and didn't do when they were in power. Especially when - if Farage does not deliver, or if he turns 'extreme' once in power - we have the vote to remove him, and any damage inflicted by such policies over one solitary term in office, is but a 'feather stroke' in comparison to 60 years of damaging 'non-government' from the other parties.This^ Truth

[joeysteele]

That's the thing though Joey I think she would only be interested in promoting Scottish issues to the detriment of the rest.

Hi Cherie :wavey:
Personally, I don't think she would and anyway it would need to be Alex Salmond included in the plans too.
However both Labour and the SNP have ruled out a full coalition if it is possible to make a govt; with SNP support.
So it would be a confidence and supply measure which really means that the SNP would not ensure the govt; is in any danger of falling.

I honestly think,the SNP at best would hope to gain a bit more as to powers for the Scottish assembly and I see nothing wrong as to that, and also to negotiate a brake on too severe austerity cuts with much more compassion included as to same across the whole UK.

I doubt they would make trident a major issue, for only a confidence and supply arrangement.
Then again, I don't see why if the Scots don't want trident based there why it cannot be moved south, say to Portsmouth or somewhere on the South coast.
Let the far Southern people who demand so much from the rest of the UK and end up dictating to the rest of the UK by electing Conservative govts; repeatedly, have it,if they are so keen on it.
They would scream like crazy if it was moved there likely but are happy to have it shoved into Scotland.

I think myself, the SNP could be a good moderating force as to compassion and fairness in policies that would benefit the whole of the UK not just Scotland.
That is what I would like to believe and hope for anyway.

[Kizzy]

I just found it a bit hypocritical of her as her party would have taken Scotland out albeit temporarily, there were no guarantees of re entry. Even though I thought she came across well I wouldn't want SNP to be part of a coalition, The SNP only wish to feather Scotlands nest and have no interest in what happens elsewhere if they can swing no tuition fees and prescription charges what would they do if the got into Westminster.

Hang on am I missing something, how are these points a negative, wouldn't we here in the rest of the UK want these?

[joeysteele]

Hang on am I missing something, how are these points a negative, wouldn't we here in the rest of the UK want these?

I for one would sure love to have them in the whole of the UK. Cameron and co say it cannot be done, yet the SNP has managed it in Scotland.
I actually think it a pity more parties don't think like the SNP.
Cameron and his govt; prefer to bring about suffering to people who shouldn't have to suffer in any way.

[Cherie]

Hang on am I missing something, how are these points a negative, wouldn't we here in the rest of the UK want these?

Well we would but I doubt the SNP would be arsed, its now reported that Nicola would prefer Cameron as PM...any truth in that I wonder

[Toy Soldier]

Well we would but I doubt the SNP would be arsed, its now reported that Nicola would prefer Cameron as PM...any truth in that I wonder

She denies it, and I very much doubt that it's true... the only reason I can see it being true is that the Scots (*ahem*, rightly) despise the Tories and the longer the UK is under Tory rule, the more likely it is that Scottish people will want independence.

[Kizzy]

I doubt it too, in fact I thought she hinted at a link to Labour last night as she said Miliband needed someone to sort him out or words to that effect.

[Cherie]

I literally do not know who to believe, the only thing I do know is Farage is an ass.

[Kizzy]

I literally do not know who to believe, the only thing I do know is Farage is an ass.

:worship:

[Brother Leon]

MC Miliband tbh

OlKMEmqqwqa

[joeysteele]

I literally do not know who to believe, the only thing I do know is Farage is an ass.

I'd believe Nicola Sturgeon over the Daily Torygraph anyday of the week, that paper is being totally ridiculous.
For goodness sake,of course the press should be able to say who they prefer to win an election but not malign and lie about people.

We even have the Daily Mail now apparantly calling her the most dangerous woman in Britain, what infantile over the top hysteria,the danger to the UK is more likely from this Conservative led govt; and UKIP,especially together.

[Kizzy]

MC Miliband tbh

OlKMEmqqwqa

:joker: :joker: my daughter will love that.

[GypsyGoth]

MC Miliband tbh

OlKMEmqqwqa

:laugh2: :laugh2:

[kirklancaster]

I literally do not know who to believe, the only thing I do know is Farage is an ass.

Why is Farage an ass Cherie?

[kirklancaster]

I'd believe Nicola Sturgeon over the Daily Torygraph anyday of the week, that paper is being totally ridiculous.
For goodness sake,of course the press should be able to say who they prefer to win an election but not malign and lie about people.

We even have the Daily Mail now apparantly calling her the most dangerous woman in Britain, what infantile over the top hysteria,the danger to the UK is more likely from this Conservative led govt; and UKIP,especially together.

Do Labour supporters have double standards Joey? All adverse reportage concerning Farage and UKIP is 1,000% accurate and truthful and worthy of spreading - no matter how wildly preposterous - yet any media article which is negative about Labour - no matter from which sources - is 'malignant' falsehood.

[joeysteele]

Do Labour supporters have double standards Joey? All adverse reportage concerning Farage and UKIP is 1,000% accurate and truthful and worthy of spreading - no matter how wildly preposterous - yet any media article which is negative about Labour - no matter from which sources - is 'malignant' falsehood.

Excuse me, I have never been a supporter of personal attacks on anyone, even politicians, I amy not like their politics but I nver resort to making personal attacks on them, even David Cameron who I cannot stand as a politician but I am sure he is a loyal friend and good husband and father.

Papers like the Telegraph, the Mail and the Sun are hamering Miliband in particular really disgracefully,just because they don't want him to win.
I would never support such a stance from supposedly educated grown up people who work in those publications.
Nor do I support it in the mirror against Cameron either

I have never attacked personally Nigel Farage either, that was unfair of you to make a cheap shot at that as to me.

Now one of those papers are saying Nicola Sturgeon is the most dangerous woman in Britain, that is ridiculous.
I consider UKIP as a party dangerous for the UK only in the sense I don't truts them 'as a party' and because I don't agree with leaving the EU, it is policy I disagree with,I consider leaving the EU as disastrous for the UK, it is a policy issue not a personal one.
I think a govt; with the Cosnervatives and UKIP would lead to a probablt exit from the EU,that si waht I consider dangerous, again, 'note',only on policy.
I have also condemned strongly the attacks on Nigel Farage on the thread made as to him being out with his family.
If you bothered to read that you would see I did too.
I doubt many who dislike Miliband could say the same as I can as to personal attacks on Nigel Farage.

I have,as I said earlier no problem with the press stating who they would prefer to win elections but I get appalled at some of the rotten insults thrown at Miliband personally and in the case of the Mail to his dead father too.

No double standards at all from me that I can see and quite frankly I am surprised you addressed that to myself too.
There are those however who hate the personal attacks on Nigel Farage and rightly so, who do however then relish and join in the personal and insulting jibes at how Miliband looks and talks and even eats.
Now that is more like double standards in my view but kindly refrain from saying I do double standards.

I have condemned the personal attacks on Nigel Farage and to his family as much as any UKIP supporter, and I am certainly not ,and never likely will be,a UKIP supporter.
Some however who who hate Labour , would be hard pressed to be able to say the same as to Miliband as I can concerning myself as to Nigel Farage.

[kirklancaster]

Excuse me, I have never been a supporter of personal attacks on anyone, even politicians, I amy not like their politics but I nver resort to making personal attacks on them, even David Cameron who I cannot stand as a politician but I am sure he is a loyal friend and good husband and father.

Papers like the Telegraph, the Mail and the Sun are hamering Miliband in particular really disgracefully,just because they don't want him to win.
I would never support such a stance from supposedly educated grown up people who work in those publications.
Nor do I support it in the mirror against Cameron either

I have never attacked personally Nigel Farage either, that was unfair of you to make a cheap shot at that as to me.

Now one of those papers are saying Nicola Sturgeon is the most dangerous woman in Britain, that is ridiculous.
I consider UKIP as a party dangerous for the UK only in the sense I don't truts them 'as a party' and because I don't agree with leaving the EU, it is policy I disagree with,I consider leaving the EU as disastrous for the UK, it is a policy issue not a personal one.
I think a govt; with the Cosnervatives and UKIP would lead to a probablt exit from the EU,that si waht I consider dangerous, again, 'note',only on policy.
I have also condemned strongly the attacks on Nigel Farage on the thread made as to him being out with his family.
If you bothered to read that you would see I did too.
I doubt many who dislike Miliband could say the same as I can as to personal attacks on Nigel Farage.

I have,as I said earlier no problem with the press stating who they would prefer to win elections but I get appalled at some of the rotten insults thrown at Miliband personally and in the case of the Mail to his dead father too.

No double standards at all from me that I can see and quite frankly I am surprised you addressed that to myself too.
There are those however who hate the personal attacks on Nigel Farage and rightly so, who do however then relish and join in the personal and insulting jibes at how Miliband looks and talks and even eats.
Now that is more like double standards in my view but kindly refrain from saying I do double standards.

I have condemned the personal attacks on Nigel Farage and to his family as much as any UKIP supporter, and I am certainly not ,and never likely will be,a UKIP supporter.
Some however who who hate Labour , would be hard pressed to be able to say the same as to Miliband as I can concerning myself as to Nigel Farage.

I did not mean you personally Joey which is why I stated; "Do Labour supporters...etc", but perhaps I should have laboured that point(no pun intended) and I unreservedly apologise to you for my oversight.

I addressed it to you because - and this is sincere - to me you are the most honest, temperate, knowledgeable and intelligent of the labour supporters on here so I wanted your answer in particular because I knew it would not be needlessly vitriolic despite your passion. (Yet I have created true irony here.)

Anyway, I agree that you personally have condemned the personal attacks on all politicians but I stand firmly by my contention that there are double standards employed on here when it comes to decreeing the validity or otherwise of reportage.

I have always personally respected you and your informed opinions despite us being on opposite sides on political issues, and that will not change Joey.

[Toy Soldier]

I think the main double standard must be UKIP supporters pointing out that Miliband looks like claymation without also realising that Farage looks like a "Spitting Image" puppet.

Like... They could bring back that show, and they wouldn't even need to make a Farage puppet, they could just use stock footage of his real face and he would fit in.

HashtagDontHaveAProblemWithPeoplePersonallyInsulti ngAnyone

Not much of a fan of the press doing it, though. I do wish the journalism in this country wasn't operated by giant toddlers.

[Kazanne]

:joker: :joker: my daughter will love that.

I cant see that pic,WHY !!!:joker:

[Cherie]

I'd believe Nicola Sturgeon over the Daily Torygraph anyday of the week, that paper is being totally ridiculous.
For goodness sake,of course the press should be able to say who they prefer to win an election but not malign and lie about people.

We even have the Daily Mail now apparantly calling her the most dangerous woman in Britain, what infantile over the top hysteria,the danger to the UK is more likely from this Conservative led govt; and UKIP,especially together.

Thanks Joey, very insightful post.

[Cherie]

Why is Farage an ass Cherie?

I think leaving the EU would be a huge mistake for business and he wants me deported :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

I think leaving the EU would be a huge mistake for business and he wants me deported :laugh:

How does he want you deported? :laugh:

[Cherie]

How does he want you deported? :laugh:

I'm joking Kirk, though I think his stance on immigration is bordering on xenophobic, I would fully support a no benefits rule for a period.

[kirklancaster]

I'm joking Kirk, though I think his stance on immigration is bordering on xenophobic, I would fully support a no benefits rule for a period.

:blush: Oh... You had me. I am the son of one immigrant (mixed marriage) but I really do not believe that Farage's views on immigration are xenophobic.

With anything in life, whether it be alcohol, food, gambling, sex, immigration or simply drinking water - moderation is far more beneficial than excess, but no one is advocating complete cessation.

I do not wish to expound here, but our 'Open Door' policy on immigration is an unmitigated disaster for this country and needs 'moderating'. Up to now Farage is the only one who has had the guts to address this issue - even though Cameron and the others are now 'jumping on the bandwagon' and filching Farage's propositions.

Do not fall for the 'scare-mongering' Cherie, think about what Farage is REALLY saying not what others want us to believe he is saying.

[Kizzy]

I did not mean you personally Joey which is why I stated; "Do Labour supporters...etc", but perhaps I should have laboured that point(no pun intended) and I unreservedly apologise to you for my oversight.

I addressed it to you because - and this is sincere - to me you are the most honest, temperate, knowledgeable and intelligent of the labour supporters on here so I wanted your answer in particular because I knew it would not be needlessly vitriolic despite your passion. (Yet I have created true irony here.)

Anyway, I agree that you personally have condemned the personal attacks on all politicians but I stand firmly by my contention that there are double standards employed on here when it comes to decreeing the validity or otherwise of reportage.

I have always personally respected you and your informed opinions despite us being on opposite sides on political issues, and that will not change Joey.

I'm a Labour supporter and have never used personal attacks on politicians such as their looks, that is a pet hate of mine when I see it regularly on here.
Anyone can look back through my posts and note that like Joey have never stooped to personal or general attacks on any party when making a point.
'Do Labour supporters have double standards?' Personally I don't feel I do.

[kirklancaster]

I'm a Labour supporter and have never used personal attacks on politicians such as their looks, that is a pet hate of mine when I see it regularly on here.
Anyone can look back through my posts and note that like Joey have never stooped to personal or general attacks on any party when making a point.
'Do Labour supporters have double standards?' Personally I don't feel I do.

I don't dispute what you say regarding 'personal attacks', but my post was not specifically concerned with this element, but more reportage in general.

What I really meant was; that when an article favours Labour - no matter if it is disputed or refuted - it is quoted as gospel, but yet, this article regarding what Nicola Sturgeon has allegedly said as been dismissed out of hand.

[Kizzy]

I don't dispute what you say regarding 'personal attacks', but my post was not specifically concerned with this element, but more reportage in general.

What I really meant was; that when an article favours Labour - no matter if it is disputed or refuted - it is quoted as gospel, but yet, this article regarding what Nicola Sturgeon has allegedly said as been dismissed out of hand.

You specifically targeted Labour supporters in your post and specifically said that these are needlessly vitriolic.
That in the context of these threads is untrue, I'm concerned by that element.
I can only speak personally, that I have not noticed any disparity here. Nicola Sturgeon has been vindicated due to the fact she personally refutes the comment, the person she had the conversation with does also,and there is no evidence to the contrary.