SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon would rather see David Cameron Win

[arista]

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SNP
Wise Choice

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[Kizzy]

'The leader of the Scottish National party, Nicola Sturgeon, has emphatically denied that she told a senior French diplomat she would rather see David Cameron win the election because Ed Miliband was too weak to be prime minister.

In a terse, angry tweet, Scotland’s first minister said it was “categorically, 100%, untrue” that she made the dramatic disclosure when she met the French ambassador to the UK, Sylvie Bermann, at Sturgeon’s offices in Holyrood in late February.'


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/03/nicola-sturgeon-denies-saying-she-wanted-david-cameron-to-win-election

[arista]

Of Course she would say that Kizzy
"its secret"

[joeysteele]

She has said it is lies and I would belivieve all she says far more than I ever word this mess of a papers word.

It may have had some merit were this paper not hammmering Labour and Ed Miliband near continuously..

I say it is lies from them too, in fact I don't get when it comes to the opposition parties why anyone seriously believes a word this paper says as to them.

Utter and total tripe on a large scale this is.
This is about the last thing anyone, even SNP members and supporters,wouold expect to hear from Nicola Sturgeon as in any context.
Rubbish, fictional rubbish.

[arista]

The Paper is Printed


"Hammering"

[joeysteele]

The Paper is Printed


"Hammering"

Very unfortunately it is, along with others however it reports from an itrrational biased viewpoint that because it is so biased ,makes its 'possible' arguments void,irrelevant and not worth the paper the are printed on or in,in my opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If the paper will not print the memo then it did not happen

[Vicky.]

Erm, this is quite obvious to me. She wants scotland independant, what prompted the referendum this time? Tories being in...

[kirklancaster]

If the paper will not print the memo then it did not happen

I wish I had a pound for every one in my life who has told me something then subsequently brass-faced denied it. I had no memo or tape or video as proof, but the fork-tongued bastards definitely said as much.

[Kizzy]

The torygrapy and the times getting desperate..

Why would the French diplomat lie for her, and why are the transcripts not available if she did?

[kirklancaster]

The torygrapy and the times getting desperate..

Why would the French diplomat lie for her, and why are the transcripts not available if she did?

Far from 'lying for her', I thought the 'French Diplomat' was the one insisting that she had said it?

[arista]

Feck me :

Ed Balls says its true


Whats going on Joey?

[Kizzy]

Far from 'lying for her', I thought the 'French Diplomat' was the one insisting that she had said it?

Where did you hear this?

[Tom4784]

Nobody needs 4 more years of Cameron.

[arista]

Feck Me Joey


Now Ed says its true
"she said it in private"
he just said on Radio4

[arista]

Nobody needs 4 more years of Cameron.


Embrace it


Dezzy love

[Crimson Dynamo]

she denies it, the french ambassador does too and the French Consulate

sounds like someone at uk gov is in the sh1t

[arista]

she denies it, the french ambassador does too and the French Consulate

sounds like someone at uk gov is in the sh1t


But the Labour Leader does not care
he is trusting the Front page

[Kazanne]

she denies it, the french ambassador does too and the French Consulate

sounds like someone at uk gov is in the sh1t

well,LT we are always told polititions lie,so maybe it's the truth:joker:
http://img.s-msn.com/tenant/amp/entityid/AAapWs3.img?h=333&w=311&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=t&l=f&f=jpg&x=1029&y=490

[arista]

well,LT we are always told polititions lie,so maybe it's the truth:joker:
http://img.s-msn.com/tenant/amp/entityid/AAapWs3.img?h=333&w=311&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=t&l=f&f=jpg&x=1029&y=490


What a Nice Couple

[James]

The Ambassador's reception.

xCLJy0KhWAE

[Kazanne]

What a Nice Couple

:joker::joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ed Miliband has described an allegation that Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish National party leader, told a senior French diplomat she would rather see David Cameron win the general election as “damning”.

Well Edmund if this is proven to be false its going to come back and hit you full on the face

[arista]

Yes LT
Labour are using it.


No care for the update


Shows Joey
how shady his Ed and Ed is

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean is she did say it she would hardly be wrong but I fear it is a dirty trick

[arista]

Erm, this is quite obvious to me. She wants scotland independant, what prompted the referendum this time? Tories being in...



could be

[joeysteele]

Feck me :

Ed Balls says its true


Whats going on Joey?

It is clear what is going on and I don't approve one bit.

It would suit the Conservative press to gave this confusion as they are then given a 2 edged sword, if she had said it, they could argue for their man,David Cameron,which would be almost seen,althugh it wouldn't be,a bit of a boost for him.

If she says it is wrong, and it couldn't be proven either way, then they could use that to expand even more on a fictitious load of nonsense as to what a Labour led govt; supported by the SNP could likely do.

It is a divide and conquor moment in the now very sick way this paper is conducting itself in thsi election campign.
The decent and right thing to have done in any instance, should have been for this paper to 'ask' Nicolal Sturgeon herself 'if' the quote was right,before printing it.

She has denied ever saying it and I would take that as the only gospel on this one, as Nicola Sturgeon ever thinking this PM should be PM,( after his farcical peformance in the referendum debate and issues following),is for me something from cloud cuckoo land.
Of course this possibly will suit Labour too since if Nicola Sturgeon could be seen as having any liking for the Conservatives,then labour could win votes back from the SNP possibly.

The paper has put it out there, right or wrong, but it stinks to high heaven as to how they are going on,so deperate are they to help a loser,who will likely lose again in May as to securing an overall majority,namely David Cameron.

[Kizzy]

It's all a bit of a perfect storm, it rocks Labours faith in the SNP as potential partners, it creates confusion for the Scots in their national party and it strengthens the conservatives position...
Well done Murdock you may well have pulled it off.

[JoshBB]

She and the french ambassador have both said that she never said that. Based off of what she said, you know that it is not something she would say. Only recently she said "If Labour chooses not to work with us then they are missing out on a chance to lock the tories out".

[Kizzy]

I know, but then again the lib dems and the tories vowed never to work together, and here we are...
I would like her to release a press statement :worry: c'mon nikki!

[Cherie]

The Ambassador's reception.

xCLJy0KhWAE

:joker:

[kirklancaster]

I know, but then again the lib dems and the tories vowed never to work together, and here we are...
I would like her to release a press statement :worry: c'mon nikki!

:clap1: This would be the most logical action - a press statement.

But the newspaper should also be made to produce their evidence for their allegation.

[Kizzy]

'The Scottish first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has called for an urgent investigation over a leaked government memo that alleges she would like to see the Conservatives win the general election.

The SNP leader called on the cabinet secretary, Sir Jeremy Heywood, to find out how the Daily Telegraph obtained the Foreign Office memo in which, the paper claims, Sturgeon told the French ambassador in February that she hoped for a Tory win.

Sturgeon said the memo was without foundation. Speaking at an anti-Trident demonstration in Glasgow, she added: “The bigger question, and one I am raising today with the head of the civil service, Sir Jeremy Heywood, is who wrote this memo, as the Foreign Office are now appearing to deny all knowledge of it.'

Dave is very quiet, he's behind this as those words in this 'leak' sound eerily similar to things he's said of late.


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/04/ed-miliband-nicola-sturgeon-allegations-damning-labour-snp-david-cameron

[Nedusa]

She wants the Scottish voters to think she will defo form a coalition with Labour to keep the Tories out, but I think she secretly loathes labour and hates Ed Miliband .

Be interesting to see who she will actually form a coalition with.

[kirklancaster]

She wants the Scottish voters to think she will defo form a coalition with Labour to keep the Tories out, but I think she secretly loathes labour and hates Ed Miliband .

Be interesting to see who she will actually form a coalition with.

Me and Nige don't want her. :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Not many want nige....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32177315

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/04/15/27474C4400000578-3025545-image-m-12_1428156246243.jpg

[Toy Soldier]

She wants the Scottish voters to think she will defo form a coalition with Labour to keep the Tories out, but I think she secretly loathes labour and hates Ed Miliband .

Be interesting to see who she will actually form a coalition with.
I would literally bet everything I own that the SNP would never support a Tory government. If you genuinely believe they would, then I can only assume you don't fully grasp the depth of how hated the Tories are North of the border. The SNP supporting the Tories would literally destroy the party permanently.

[Toy Soldier]

It's all a bit of a perfect storm, it rocks Labours faith in the SNP as potential partners, it creates confusion for the Scots in their national party and it strengthens the conservatives position...
Well done Murdock you may well have pulled it off.
Neh. Scots these days - and especially SNP supporters - have learned to be skeptical of the media and political rhetoric, posturing and games. They could print that she's a baby murdering Satan worshipper complete with pictures and it would be met with a resoundingly sarcastic "Aye, awrite."

Very much doubt this will even rattle the polling numbers.

[hijaxers]

She wants the Scottish voters to think she will defo form a coalition with Labour to keep the Tories out, but I think she secretly loathes labour and hates Ed Miliband .

Be interesting to see who she will actually form a coalition with.

What tripe

[joeysteele]

I would literally bet everything I own that the SNP would never support a Tory government. If you genuinely believe they would, then I can only assume you don't fully grasp the depth of how hated the Tories are North of the border. The SNP supporting the Tories would literally destroy the party permanently.

I totally agree, well said Toy Soldier, as you point out, it would be just about political suicide for the hierarchy of the SNP to now support the Conservatives in any way at all.

While it wasn't always the case ,through the 70s,it certainly is now.

No wonder Nicola Sturgeon is furious at this and I hope the inquiry into where it came from, who from and how it got to the Conservative supporting Daily Telegraph reveals exactly the people and sources involved in this.

[Kizzy]

'Scottish National party leader Nicola Sturgeon has offered to help make Ed Miliband the next prime minister even if Labour wins fewer seats than the Tories on 7 May. Her appeal comes as she angrily rejects claims that she thinks he is not up to the job.

Writing in the Observer – as a furious row erupted over disparaging private remarks she allegedly made about the Labour leader – Sturgeon challenges Miliband to lead Labour into an anti-austerity alliance with the SNP whichever party is the largest in the House of Commons on 8 May.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/04/sturgeon-offers-new-deal-to-miliband

[Kizzy]

'David Cameron, campaigning in Abingdon, said: "What's Nicola Sturgeon told us today? Well she's told us - she's being anointed as this great genius - she's told us something that I said about four years ago, which is Ed Miliband is not up to the job of being prime minister. I think we knew that already.'

What on earth is Cameron on about here?... :/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32177315

[MTVN]

**** off Sturgeon, we can only hope that this is a killer blow for the SNP

[kirklancaster]

**** off Sturgeon, we can only hope that this is a killer blow for the SNP

:joker::clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Nedusa]

I would literally bet everything I own that the SNP would never support a Tory government. If you genuinely believe they would, then I can only assume you don't fully grasp the depth of how hated the Tories are North of the border. The SNP supporting the Tories would literally destroy the party permanently.

I'm sorry but I think you misread my post, I was brought up in Scotland and can fully appreciate how hated the Tories are North of the border.

But I still think the SNP will act to form a coalition that gives the SNP the best chance to obtain what it really wants ie independence .

It will look at political strategies that can work towards that goal and it will get into bed with whatever main party it feels will provide the least resistance to the SNP achieving this end result.

[joeysteele]

'David Cameron, campaigning in Abingdon, said: "What's Nicola Sturgeon told us today? Well she's told us - she's being anointed as this great genius - she's told us something that I said about four years ago, which is Ed Miliband is not up to the job of being prime minister. I think we knew that already.'

What on earth is Cameron on about here?... :/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32177315

He looked pathetic with this yesterday,he should be more concerned as to whether this statement had in fact any truth in it in the first place,and in the 2nd place,maybe he should wait before jumping onto the statement, just in case it turns out to have come from a person or persons connected with hoping to get 'him' elected.

Also, the Telegraph should be made to inform where and how and from who they got it.
If they cannot identify any source or individual, then in the light of Nicola's very firm and solid denial, backed up by those she was talking to as well, then the Telegraph should be made print a massive apology on is front page for printing unsubstantiated lies during a full election campaign and thereby trying to interfere with due democratic process.

[Nedusa]

Makes me laugh that we are so bereft of politicians that we need to import some of our leaders from Australia .

Odd to hear Natalie Bennett campaign for the UK Green Party with a broad Sydney accent.

Still it was a debate full of accents really

Welsh, Scottish , Australian and four old boy network Etonian/Harrovian imitations .

[MTVN]

The former Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael has admitted that he was behind a leak to the media of a controversial memo which suggested Scotland's first minister wanted David Cameron to remain as prime minister.

BBC political correspondent Tim Reid says Mr Carmichael gave permission for his former special adviser to disclose the confidential memo to the Daily Telegraph during the general election campaign.

Mr Carmichael says it was an "error of judgement" and if he'd still been a cabinet minister today he would have resigned. He's written to Nicola Sturgeon to apologise - describing it as a "breach of protocol".

There's been an inquiry in to the leak, which concluded that Mr Carmichael "could and should have stopped the sharing of the memo".

The document concerned was written by a civil servant in the Scotland Office and suggested that Nicola Sturgeon had told the French Ambassador that she would prefer David Cameron to remain as Prime Minister and that Ed Miliband wasn't prime minister material.

Mr Carmichael has admitted that he should not have let Mr Roddin leak the memo and accepts "full responsibility for the publication".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-32835714

Oops

[Kizzy]

It was contrived to have maximum effect and it worked didn't it?

[MTVN]

Not for Carmichael's party :worry:

[Kizzy]

Not for Carmichael's party :worry:

Aw what a shame, some lib dems really sold out in the worst way didn't they?... absolute power corrupts sadly.

[Toy Soldier]

Smells like someone's been told to fall on their sword, to me.

[Kizzy]

Yep, he'll have got a nice little payoff, bit late to have any effect now though it aided it souring the publics perception of Ed. I doubt anything else will happen other than he get's his knuckles rapped though :/

[Cherie]

Yep, he'll have got a nice little payoff, bit late to have any effect now though it aided it souring the publics perception of Ed. I doubt anything else will happen other than he get's his knuckles rapped though :/

Nicola did a great job of that all on her own, if she kept her trap shut about labour needing the SNP to gain access to No. 10, who knows what would have happened, the English electorate did not want her power sharing and squeezing Ed's proverbials and gaining advantages for Scotland that England can only dream of.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and english people wonder why the scots are sick of westminster and its sleaze?

[Toy Soldier]

Nicola did a great job of that all on her own, if she kept her trap shut about labour needing the SNP to gain access to No. 10, who knows what would have happened, the English electorate did not want her power sharing and squeezing Ed's proverbials and gaining advantages for Scotland that England can only dream of.

I wouldn't say ALL on her own but I think there's some truth in that. The initial scare-reports of the SNP playing "kingmaker" came from the press and almost certainly originated with the Tory press machine, but the SNP allowed their egos to be inflated and played right into it, failing to consider that there could still be one majority or the other. They allowed themselves to get a little too big for their boots. They should have played the whole thing down. If they had there would have been more chance of it actually happening, ironically.

However, I suspect a slim Tory majority was on the cards either way, there wa a lot more to the propaganda-of-fear than that and it was all already quite firmly established. It was the "don't risk the recovering economy" fantasy that secured the win in the end.

[Cherie]

I wouldn't say ALL on her own but I think there's some truth in that. The initial scare-reports of the SNP playing "kingmaker" came from the press and almost certainly originated with the Tory press machine, but the SNP allowed their egos to be inflated and played right into it, failing to consider that there could still be one majority or the other. They allowed themselves to get a little too big for their boots. They should have played the whole thing down. If they had there would have been more chance of it actually happening, ironically.

However, I suspect a slim Tory majority was on the cards either way, there wa a lot more to the propaganda-of-fear than that and it was all already quite firmly established. It was the "don't risk the recovering economy" fantasy that secured the win in the end.

Yes I would agree with all of that

[joeysteele]

Nicola did a great job of that all on her own, if she kept her trap shut about labour needing the SNP to gain access to No. 10, who knows what would have happened, the English electorate did not want her power sharing and squeezing Ed's proverbials and gaining advantages for Scotland that England can only dream of.

You know Cherie, you have made great points there,I do like the SNP but have chosen Labour as my party now,certainly for the foreseeable future.

However,looking back over this election with its twists and turns and the media circus of who will do a deal with whom.
I could now believe Nicola Sturgeon has maybe got what she wanted in the end.

With a Conservative govt. with a small majority,she can at any point create divisions that will only probably enhance her own position.
I now am disappointed with myself for not realising she should have been saying obviously we would talk to the party with the most seats first,then move on from there to others.

That would have removed a lot of the sting from what the Conservatives were saying, had they thought in any way, she could even just be possibly persuaded to,if not support them as a minority,abstain as to their voting strength.

The early part of the campaign was going good for labour,I helped canvass in 10 seats, 2 held by Lib Dems, 2 Labour marginals and 6 Conservative held seats.
Of those 9 were won by Labour.
I really believed,the result was going to be different,I got it badly wrong as to what I thought would probably happen however.
Also to be fair, although the pollsters are getting a bashing in effect they were actually right.

All polls have a margin error of up to 3% plus or minus either way.
Polls of 34% each for the Conservatives and Labour,could be 31% for one of them and 37% for the other, taking into account the margins of possible error.
Ironically, that was just about spot on as to the result,36.9% for the Conservatives and 30.5% for Labour.

A small shift of votes in that scenario makes all the difference and Nicola Sturgeon playing a different card could have,as you said, brought about a very different result.
She was so anti Conservative all through on the surface but I wonder now,although this memo is now proven wrong,has she in fact got what she really wanted all along.

This election caught all on the hop really,so many red herrings thrown in all through the campaign.
That is something that really needs to be looked out for and more to the point well planned for,in 2020.

[Kizzy]

Nicola did a great job of that all on her own, if she kept her trap shut about labour needing the SNP to gain access to No. 10, who knows what would have happened, the English electorate did not want her power sharing and squeezing Ed's proverbials and gaining advantages for Scotland that England can only dream of.

Well it didn't help her making those comments either no in hindsight, we can only guess at her motives yet we know exactly why this MP leaked information.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and the fear monger machine will be getting ramped up again possibly next year...


"leave the EU and it will be catastrophic for business yada yada yada"

http://www.zengardner.com/wp-content/uploads/fear-machine-663x479.jpg

[Kizzy]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2015/may/22/alistair-carmichael-apologises-anti-sturgeon-leak-general-election-snp-video

[kirklancaster]

I admit to being confused by this - Did she say it or not?

[joeysteele]

I admit to being confused by this - Did she say it or not?

No, it was an invention apparently and the Lib Dem Alistair Carmichael knew about it, could have stopped it but didn't.

[kirklancaster]

No, it was an invention apparently and the Lib Dem Alistair Carmichael knew about it, could have stopped it but didn't.

Thanks Joey. This is unbelievable. :shrug: Carmichael is a disgrace.

[Toy Soldier]

No, it was an invention apparently and the Lib Dem Alistair Carmichael knew about it, could have stopped it but didn't.

Yes, essentially it wasn't him that fabricated it but he's admitting that the failure to nip it in the bud before it started to snowball was down to him. I'm not really convinced. His adamant stance on turning down his pay-off suggests quite strongly, to me, that he has "other funds squirrelled away" that mean he doesn't need it. Where those funds might have come from would be pure speculation, of course... *ahem*.

[joeysteele]

Yes, essentially it wasn't him that fabricated it but he's admitting that the failure to nip it in the bud before it started to snowball was down to him. I'm not really convinced. His adamant stance on turning down his pay-off suggests quite strongly, to me, that he has "other funds squirrelled away" that mean he doesn't need it. Where those funds might have come from would be pure speculation, of course... *ahem*.

Exactly.
Also too,from the cocky front he had when this memo became public during the campaign, he looked quite the worried man on the news tonight.

[Kizzy]

Oh he'll have been well rewarded for that well orchestrated sabotage.

[MTVN]

Well done to Mr Carmichael for being the only Lib Dem to keep his seat in Scotland :clap1:

[Kizzy]

Well done to Mr Carmichael for being the only Lib Dem to keep his seat in Scotland :clap1:

Hmmmmm...... :suspect:

Will he now step down or wait for the dust to settle?

[Kizzy]

Hosie, the SNP’s deputy leader at Westminster, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Saturday that Carmichael, who had at first denied involvement in the leak, ought to resign.

He said: “This is potentially career-ending precisely because he went into an election suggesting one thing and then we find out – lo and behold, just after the election – it wasn’t true.

“Given the scale of this – a dirty tricks campaign that involved the French ambassador and the Scottish First Minister – all of which is completely false, bogus, made up, really he ought to consider very seriously whether he can be even be trusted by his constituents to remain an MP.”

The whole election was one big dirty tricks campaign :/

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/23/alistair-carmichael-nicola-sturgeon-leaked-election-memo-snp

[Kizzy]

They all lie.... deal with it.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2015/may/26/sir-malcolm-bruce-bbc-radio-4-today-memo-leak