5 Opposition Leaders Debate Thurs 16/4/15 BBC1HD (8PM -9:30PM)

[arista]

This Thursday
no PM


So

Nigel Farage (UKIP)
Ed Miliband (Labour)
Nichola Sturgeon (SNP)
The Welsh Lady
and
Natalie Bennett (Greens)


I want a bloodbath


I hope old Dimbleby stays alive through the 90mins

[arista]

Feck Me No Nick Clegg
on this 5 MP's

What a Fecking Coward


After this 90mins
poor old Dimbleby then has to do a near Live QT on BBC1

[arista]

Its 90mins long
the debate

BBC1HD , Radio 5 and SkyNewsHD


then 30mins in the spin room

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good night for Nigel to shine and take down some hags

[arista]

Good night for Nigel to shine and take down some hags


For Sure

[Jack_]

Feck Me No Nick Clegg
on this 5 MP's

What a Fecking Coward


After this 90mins
poor old Dimbleby then has to do a near Live QT on BBC1

Actually I'm pretty sure Nick was up for taking part in both of the proposed seven way leaders debates but is only not doing this one since the BBC don't want to be seen as empty chairing Cameron. The broadcasters pathetically pandered to his demands, hence why these debates aren't nearly as exciting as they should be

He is the real coward

[Crimson Dynamo]

Actually I'm pretty sure Nick was up for taking part in both of the proposed seven way leaders debates but is only not doing this one since the BBC don't want to be seen as empty chairing Cameron. The broadcasters pathetically pandered to his demands, hence why these debates aren't nearly as exciting as they should be

He is the real coward

It was a shrewd move by Dave

[arista]

Actually I'm pretty sure Nick was up for taking part in both of the proposed seven way leaders debates but is only not doing this one since the BBC don't want to be seen as empty chairing Cameron. The broadcasters pathetically pandered to his demands, hence why these debates aren't nearly as exciting as they should be

He is the real coward


He said he wanted to
but was blocked by the BBC


Also this was set up after
that stupid BBC Empty Chair

[bots]

Its the losers show, no good can come from debating the same old crap over and over with people who are not going to win the election. The more Ed associates with that group, the less he looks like a future leader.

As for Nick, no way he is missing the debate to make Cameron look better, that's just silly. He will have been told that it wont benefit the lib dems election prospects - simple as that

[arista]

On BBC1 , BBC1HD , SkyNewsHD and Radio 5

now Live.

[Pete.]

Here for messy Natalie Bennett

[arista]

Welsh Lady first

[MTVN]

Miliband quite stiff and contrived again

[Jay.]

Watching this now, I love the debates.

[MTVN]

All our money going over Hadrian's wall :fist:

[Kazanne]

I don't think Cameron is a coward,quite the opposite,the others in the debate can and will slag him off to their hearts content with no repercussions,and what's the point of hashing over old stuff all the time it doesn't make you more likable,Mr Cameron has said his piece,he doesn't need to keep droning on,so for me he is no coward,he is as I expected his own man.Milliband in particular comes over to me as very insincere.

[MTVN]

Stop the audience clapping Dimbleby

[arista]

Ganging up on Ed

[Kazanne]

Stop the audience clapping Dimbleby

I agree it's a bit off putting,:nono:

[arista]

Stop the audience clapping Dimbleby


Sadly he Far to old to do that

[MTVN]

Miliband being ganged up on by the three witches while Farage snipes from the right wing, what has poor Ed got himself in for here

[Marsh.]

....in the valleys....

[Brother Leon]

Miliband is killing it. Doing well.

[arista]

Yes ED
do what your fecking told

[MTVN]

The Miliband-Sturgeon exchanges are the key here, the other three are irrelevant

[arista]

You built far less in your New Labour Years
Ed

[billy123]

The Coward should be there.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Leanne has that milf look off to a tee

[MTVN]

Farage on the audience :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ed taking the Westminster elite hits

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Farage on the audience :joker:

Is it held at the new statesman subscribers convention?

[kirklancaster]

The Coward should be there.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/cameron-cowardly-lion.jpg

:joker: Classic.

[MTVN]

Is there anything that Bennett, Sturgeon or Wood could say which wouldn't get applause :unsure:

[kirklancaster]

Is there anything that Bennett, Sturgeon or Wood could say which wouldn't get applause :unsure:

If they said; "Goodbye for ever" - it would get applause from me.

[bots]

the same sound bites are being repeated again as said in the previous debate. Ed is not exactly shining even against such weak opponents.

[Kizzy]

Haha good one Leanne :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The BBC

Brilliant

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nicola bang on right about nuclear weapons

[MTVN]

Trouble with this is that 3/5 of the panel are basically the same. I'll grant that Sturgeon is a capable politician and an important one but the other two will barely win 5 seats between them and are basically just in awe of her

[Johnnyuk123]

Farage asking the questions the others refuse to answer!:worship::worship::worship:

[billy123]

Milliband swats Farage's stupidity away without even having to try.

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[Johnnyuk123]

They are all attacking Farage. It's very revealing.:joker::joker::joker:

[MB.]

Farage asking the questions the others refuse to answer!:worship::worship::worship:

...and being greeted by nothing but silence from the well-proportioned audience where the others are getting applauded. Funny that.

[bots]

Trouble with this is that 3/5 of the panel are basically the same. I'll grant that Sturgeon is a capable politician and an important one but the other two will barely win 5 seats between them and are basically just in awe of her

The welsh woman isn't even popular in Wales. If Ed doesn't shine like a beacon in this company, what hope has he of becoming PM

[Johnnyuk123]

...and being greeted by nothing but silence from the well-proportioned audience where the others are getting applauded. Funny that.

Yup and Farage pointed it out too. lol

[Johnnyuk123]

The REAL audience is at home sat on their sofa's. So true Nige.:cheer2:

[MB.]

Yup and Farage pointed it out too. lol

What, he pointed out that nobody in the audience agrees with him despite it being representative of the voting population?

[MTVN]

The welsh woman isn't even popular in Wales. If Ed doesn't shine like a beacon in this company, what hope has he of becoming PM

Yeah she's polling 4th I believe :umm2: it's hard for Ed though, he is the only 'establishment' figure so he's already being attacked from all sides and then these three women are basically clones all circling at once

[Crimson Dynamo]

This audience is a total fit up

Lol

[Johnnyuk123]

What, he pointed out that nobody in the audience agrees with him despite it being representative of the voting population?

Nige is speaking the truth. And sadly for many the truth is hard to swallow.

[Kizzy]

Oof..... :laugh:

[arista]

Feck Me Dimb lost Order

[Crimson Dynamo]

What, he pointed out that nobody in the audience agrees with him despite it being representative of the voting population?

Sorry but i dont buy that bs

[billy123]

The REAL audience is at home sat on their sofa's. So true Nige.:cheer2:Thats right they are and thankfully the majority of them are intelligent enough to see through his thinly veiled racism.

[arista]

Yes Shut Ed Up

Keeps making up Lie's

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nige is speaking the truth. And sadly for many the truth is hard to swallow.

:clap1:

[MB.]

Nige is speaking the truth. And sadly for many the truth is hard to swallow.

I think 'the truth is hard to swallow' is a little closer to home on this one.

[Johnnyuk123]

I watched Ed Millivanilli earlier on tv and he said... I can't eat on live tv anymore. I rest my case.:joker:

[Kazanne]

They all talk ****e tbh,better the devil you know I guess

[Johnnyuk123]

So true Nige the Labour party didn't believe in the European union in the first place.

[Johnnyuk123]

They all talk ****e tbh,better the devil you know I guess

Hi kaz! Love Kylie! :dance::dance::dance:

[Kazanne]

So true Nige the Labour party didn't believe in the European union in the first place.

he's a liar,and he has the gaul to say others are lying

[billy123]

I watched Ed Millivanilli earlier on tv and he said... I can't eat on live tv anymore. I rest my case.:joker:MMM ok
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[Kazanne]

Hi kaz! Love Kylie! :dance::dance::dance:

:joker::joker: What you like?

[Johnnyuk123]

MMM ok
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Watch it on catchup tv.:wavey:

[Johnnyuk123]

:joker::joker: What you like?

I am crazy Kaz as you know. :joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

Wallice and Gromet in power??? No chance!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sick of ed hiding behind his hags

[Johnnyuk123]

Ed Millivanilli can't even scramble eggs in his second kitchen, do we really want him in power knowing he can't even cook eggs properly?

[Johnnyuk123]

SNP pushing for it with Milli Vanilli.:joker::joker::joker: desperation.

[Kazanne]

She is desperate to get rid of the Tories isn't she,too desperate I think.

[Kizzy]

I don't want Ed to align with Nicola in this debate, it'll alienate those who for whatever reason are anti Scot.

[smudgie]

:laugh:

I bet Dave is sat at home laughing his head off at Nicola and Ed having their little spats.

[bots]

"this election is about getting rid of the tories" How many times has that been said tonight.

Shows how threatened they are by a party that's not even represented in the debate :laugh:

[Johnnyuk123]

She is desperate to get rid of the Tories isn't she,too desperate I think.

Why is she even on the stage? She wants Scotland out of the UK.:joker:

[Kazanne]

:laugh:

I bet Dave is sat at home laughing his head off at Nicola and Ed having their little spats.

:joker::joker::joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

We can buy our Salmon from yemin cant we? Like in the movie?

[Kazanne]

Why is she even on the stage? She wants Scotland out of the UK.:joker:

:thumbs:

[smudgie]

We can buy our Salmon from yemin cant we? Like in the movie?

Evening Johnny:wavey:

I can live happily without Salmon..d and sturgeon.

[Johnnyuk123]

Half of this tv program is about mp's and the other half is about the animated movie the wrong trousers.:joker::joker::joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nigel the the only one to say something the sheep audience wont clap
good

[MTVN]

Kizzy aint going to like Bennett's attack there on our Rachel

[Johnnyuk123]

Evening Johnny:wavey:

I can live happily without Salmon..d and sturgeon.

Both slippery fish. lol
Hi. :wavey:

[Johnnyuk123]

Sturgeon is one half of the crankies.:joker::joker::joker:

[Vicky.]

I haven't read this thread, and I expect to be in the minority here, but I think Milliband has been strong in this debate. It really shocked me tbh to hear he wont consider a coalition with the SNP :o

[billy123]

Nigel the the only one to say something the sheep audience wont clap
goodWhy what has he said that he didnt blame on the evil foreigners :conf: The bloke is like a stuck record.

[Johnnyuk123]

Scotland wanted out of the UK and now here they are saying we can make a real change to the UK when we all know they still want out of the UK.:joker::joker::joker:

[Kizzy]

Kizzy aint going to like Bennett's attack there on our Rachel

No I aint... ( is that your attempt at a Leeds accent?) :joker:

Shame that the representatives of our current government weren't there to field some of the flack Ed got. He's getting all the stress and he isn't even in govt yet! :/

[Johnnyuk123]

The green party leader not even British?

[Vicky.]

My ever so slight positives for Farage during the last debate I watched..have disappeared now. Their manifesto read quite well too, but Farage has proved tonight that literally the only thing they give a ****e about is immigration. Saying he would consider propping up labour ONLY if they would offer a referendum on the EU..no other issue matters, thats sad to me. Personally I would want a referendum, but we have much more pressing problems to deal with first

[billy123]

I haven't read this thread, and I expect to be in the minority here, but I think Milliband has been strong in this debate. It really shocked me tbh to hear he wont consider a coalition with the SNP :oI think they will but she is so aggressive he cant be seen to agree with her as it would look weak.

[Kazanne]

I haven't read this thread, and I expect to be in the minority here, but I think Milliband has been strong in this debate. It really shocked me tbh to hear he wont consider a coalition with the SNP :o

I bet if they have a chance of getting in, he does Vicky.that will be his first lie of many.

[Kizzy]

I haven't read this thread, and I expect to be in the minority here, but I think Milliband has been strong in this debate. It really shocked me tbh to hear he wont consider a coalition with the SNP :o

Of course he will but he won't say before the election I reckon.

[Johnnyuk123]

My ever so slight positives for Farage during the last debate I watched..have disappeared now. Their manifesto read quite well too, but Farage has proved tonight that literally the only thing they give a ****e about is immigration. Saying he would consider propping up labour ONLY if they would offer a referendum on the EU..no other issue matters, thats sad to me. Personally I would want a referendum, but we have much more pressing problems to deal with first

Immigration is a major issue and the public know it hence Nige's popularity.

[Kizzy]

Farage the banker and businessman against businessmen?...... foff!

[Johnnyuk123]

Nige drinks smokes and talks sense. Can we say that of any of the others? No.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ed battered by nic

[Vicky.]

Immigration is a major issue and the public know it hence Nige's popularity.

Yes, but he goes on as if it is the only issue. Presenter even said so thats the only thing you care about, not the NHS, not schools etc...and farage couldn't answer without looking like a pillock as he knows he doesn't care about anything bar the EU D:

[Vicky.]

Was refreshing to see greens/snp/welsh saying under no circumstances would they prop up a tory government though. Again though, could be bull****e.

[Kizzy]

I hope the lily livered coalition don't get to have their say now! That would be so unfair, debate or go home cowards!

[kirklancaster]

Both slippery fish. lol
Hi. :wavey:

:joker: And both STINK.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scotland wanted out of the UK and now here they are saying we can make a real change to the UK when we all know they still want out of the UK.:joker::joker::joker:

No Scotland voted for the uk

Democratically

[kirklancaster]

Why is she even on the stage? She wants Scotland out of the UK.:joker:

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Johnnyuk123]

Yes, but he goes on as if it is the only issue. Presenter even said so thats the only thing you care about, not the NHS, not schools etc...and farage couldn't answer without looking like a pillock as he knows he doesn't care about anything bar the EU D:

Please read the UKIP manifesto. The only one from all parties that has been verified by independent people. :wavey:

[Vicky.]

Please read the UKIP manifesto. The only one from all parties that has been verified by independent people. :wavey:

I have, and I praised it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tonight showed the pathetic libdems are a ghost party

[Kizzy]

they are not 20 seats short!!! :joker: they're 50-60!

[Vicky.]

Yeah where was Cleggy? I know Cameron has thrown the toys out of the pram over the debates...didn't know Clegg (as usual) followed suit...

[Johnnyuk123]

I have, and I praised it.

Great! :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[Kizzy]

Oh get off....they were absent why do they get to bang on this load of old shiz now?

[smudgie]

Yeah where was Cleggy? I know Cameron has thrown the toys out of the pram over the debates...didn't know Clegg (as usual) followed suit...

I think it was the debates for the opposition, he is technically on-side with the PM

[MTVN]

Yeah where was Cleggy? I know Cameron has thrown the toys out of the pram over the debates...didn't know Clegg (as usual) followed suit...

Clegg wanted to take part but couldn't. All the negotiations are being kept pretty secret I think but heard someone say that the Tories wouldn't allow it as part of the overall agreement

[bots]

Why is she even on the stage? She wants Scotland out of the UK.:joker:


She is likely to be a major influencer if labour need assistance with seats after the election, so its very important I think.

[Vicky.]

I think it was the debates for the opposition, he is technically on-side with the PM

Ahh right, never even thought of that :laugh:

Shame for him really..as he is usually great in debates and stuff.

[kirklancaster]

Nigel the the only one to say something the sheep audience wont clap
good

The audience have succumbed to the anti-Ukip propaganda and DARE NOT applaud even if they secretly agree with Nigel.

They don't want to be seen to be agreeing with what they have been brain-washed into believing is a 'racist, xenophobic fool'.

Altogether now: Baaaaa....... Baaaaa.

[MTVN]

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[Johnnyuk123]

I just don't get the green party. We in the UK are under terrorist threat daily and they want to let that happen? WTF?

[Kizzy]

Yes totally blank cheque! 8 million for the NHS and 350 million for childcare unbudgeted for! :/

[Jack_]

Clegg wasn't invited so Cameron wasn't effectively empty chaired. The broadcasters pandered to David's pathetic demands

[Kizzy]

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Big fat hairy rollocks!

[Vicky.]

I just don't get the green party. We in the UK are under terrorist threat daily and they want to let that happen? WTF?

Honestly, I dont see how nukes and stuff stop anything. Everyone knows we would be suicidal to start a nuclear war..so I just don't get it :S

[Vicky.]

Strong lib dem record? :hehe:

[bots]

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interesting why the chose to exclude him, very odd

[Ross.]

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The fall of the Lib Dems has started early </3

[Vicky.]

Danny Alexander always looks off his face...

[Kizzy]

The audience have succumbed to the anti-Ukip propaganda and DARE NOT applaud even if they secretly agree with Nigel.

They don't want to be seen to be agreeing with what they have been brain-washed into believing is a 'racist, xenophobic fool'.

Altogether now: Baaaaa....... Baaaaa.
Nothing to do with the bigoted views of UKIP representatives?

[JoshBB]

Ed Miliband pissed me off the most tonight. Natalie & Nicola both did the best imo.

[Johnnyuk123]

Honestly, I dont see how nukes and stuff stop anything. Everyone knows we would be suicidal to start a nuclear war..so I just don't get it :S

I understand your point Vicky. It is basically a deterrent and as pricey as it is it is a needed deterrent.:wavey:

[JoshBB]

I just don't get the green party. We in the UK are under terrorist threat daily and they want to let that happen? WTF?

You clearly haven't read their manifesto.

[Jack_]

Ed seemed strong tonight, Nicola did very well again

Also loved the anti-Nigel audience and clapped at David demolishing his silly accusations of BBC bias :clap1:

Overall though tonight has made me excited at the prospect of an actual progressive, left coalition. All I fear will stop that is the Tories having the most seats...

[Johnnyuk123]

You clearly haven't read their manifesto.

I am one of the few who have read it and it was like reading the Beano.:joker::joker::joker:

[bots]

I thought Nigel had an opportunity to excel tonight and show he is not 1 dimensional. He didn't succeed, looked very weak I think

[MTVN]

interesting why the chose to exclude him, very odd

Cameron negotiated the final agreement with the broadcasters and I suppose this was one of his conditions - if they were going to have a debate without him then Clegg shouldn't be there either, that way they can call it an 'opposition debate' rather than an empty chairing

[JoshBB]

I understand your point Vicky. It is basically a deterrent and as pricey as it is it is a needed deterrent.:wavey:

So we'll spend 100bn on what is essentially a sign to plop on your front garden telling people "Bugger off! We won't do anything about you but leave us alone!!"

That is the most illogical pro-trident argument I have heard so far, but at least you admit we will never use it.

[Johnnyuk123]

Ed seemed strong tonight, Nicola did very well again

Also loved the anti-Nigel audience and clapped at David demolishing his silly accusations of BBC bias :clap1:

Overall though tonight has made me excited at the prospect of an actual progressive, left coalition. All I fear will stop that is the Tories having the most seats...

The Tories will be in power again thanks to Nige. You heard it hear first.:wavey:

[JoshBB]

I am one of the few who have read it and it was like reading the Beano.:joker::joker::joker:

Then could you please point out exactly where the greens state they want to allow ISIS to commit such crimes.

[Vicky.]

Cameron negotiated the final agreement with the broadcasters and I suppose this was one of his conditions - if they were going to have a debate without him then Clegg shouldn't be there either, that way they can call it an 'opposition debate' rather than an empty chairing

Slightly unfair, given it was camerons choice to spit the dummy :S

[Johnnyuk123]

So we'll spend 100bn on what is essentially a sign to plop on your front garden telling people "Bugger off! We won't do anything about you but leave us alone!!"

That is the most illogical pro-trident argument I have heard so far, but at least you admit we will never use it.

Russia is a major concern, read the news.

[Jack_]

Oh and I also LOVED how any mention of David Cameron not being there was cheered :clap1: and every time Farage brought up immigration as an excuse for everything as per there were sighs <3

[Ross.]

Cameron negotiated the final agreement with the broadcasters and I suppose this was one of his conditions - if they were going to have a debate without him then Clegg shouldn't be there either, that way they can call it an 'opposition debate' rather than an empty chairing

How petty :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Danny Alexander always looks off his face...

What a tit

[MTVN]

Slightly unfair, given it was camerons choice to spit the dummy :S

That's just my speculation really but they said on the Daily Politics earlier that the Tories probably vetoed it and it does make sense, broadcasters probably wary of having an overt clash with the PM so bowed to that condition in order to get three debates and have Cameron attend the QT thing

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would be cross if i was from N I.

[MTVN]

Who are these strange men with the funny accents

[Jack_]

Glad the BBC are still using the election theme from 2010 :clap1:

[Cherie]

Good night for Nigel to shine and take down some hags

That didn't work out did it, came across as an irritable middle aged man who spat the dummy when he wasn't applauded :joker: He really is a graceless buffoon

[Kizzy]

That didn't work out did it, came across as an irritable middle aged man who spat the dummy when he wasn't applauded :joker: He really is a graceless buffoon

:clap1:

[joeysteele]

Danny Alexander,what a waste of time interviewing him, I am amazed how many people think he is a Conservative not a Lib Dem MP.

Anyway, he is gone in May, even probably down to 3rd place in his seat in Inverness,Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey,behind the SNP and Labour.

[JoshBB]

Russia is a major concern, read the news.

A major concern to the UK's safety? Absolutely not. I have read the news and seen that to Ukraine, you may be able to make that argument, but not to us. They know that we have close relationships with the US and EU, launching an attack of any kind would be suicidal to them.

[bots]

A major concern to the UK's safety? Absolutely not. I have read the news and seen that to Ukraine, you may be able to make that argument, but not to us. They know that we have close relationships with the US and EU, launching an attack of any kind would be suicidal to them.

That's just not true. There is no guarantee any country would come to our aid. No-one did during the Falklands war, and we were invaded then. People think every country plays nicely. They don't.

[Vicky.]

Personally I would do away with nukes and train up the army better with some of the savings, and invest more in weapons (not nukes...). Army is our only realistic way to fight. If a nuclear war is started, it matters not who has the bigger explosives...we all will die..and the leaders know that. So why the **** keep stuff that we can't even use.

[bots]

Personally I would do away with nukes and train up the army better with some of the savings, and invest more in weapons (not nukes...). Army is our only realistic way to fight. If a nuclear war is started, it matters not who has the bigger explosives...we all will die..and the leaders know that. So why the **** keep stuff that we can't even use.

These days nukes don't have to devastate, they can dial in the size of the explosion. We also have tactical nukes that are short range missiles designed for the battlefield

[Vicky.]

These days nukes don't have to devastate, they can dial in the size of the explosion. We also have tactical nukes that are short range missiles designed for the battlefield

However a fullout nuclear war would wipe out the majority (if not all)of the world

I know its not a popular opinion I hold on this though, but I honestly do not see the point in paying so much money for stuff we can't/will never use.

[JoshBB]

That's just not true. There is no guarantee any country would come to our aid. No-one did during the Falklands war, and we were invaded then. People think every country plays nicely. They don't.

That was over 30 years ago, and lasted only around 70 days. You cannot use one minor war to justify owning nuclear weapons.

[bots]

That was over 30 years ago, and lasted only around 70 days. You cannot use one minor war to justify owning nuclear weapons.

I can, and I have. You cannot say nukes have no use these days when we have not been without their protection for decades

[Jack_]

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Tweet of the ****ing campaign.

:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

[Cherie]

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Tweet of the ****ing campaign.

:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

:joker:

[kirklancaster]

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Tweet of the ****ing campaign.

:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

LMAO :joker::joker::joker:

[Kizzy]

:joker: :joker: :joker:

[kirklancaster]

I've nearly fainted -- WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT AT SOMETHING!!:cheer2::dance::dance::dance:

[MTVN]

**** off fat Brenda :rant:

[the truth]

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Tweet of the ****ing campaign.

:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

classic:cheer2:

[joeysteele]

That was over 30 years ago, and lasted only around 70 days. You cannot use one minor war to justify owning nuclear weapons.

That is a valid point.

I am open to keeping nuclear weapons but I do have concerns as to the costs of doing so..

The Falklands conflict could have never been settled with nuclear weaponry in 1982.
Even with them still now, a similar conflict could not be settled with them still.

However, a similar invasion of the Falklands now,would see the UK stranded in effect, not able to do what it did in 1982 at all,due to the heavy cuts to the UKs armed forces and equipment.
So having nuclear weapons wouldn't stop that if say Argentina wished to invade again,yet despite having all that might, we could do just about nothing this time to protect the Falklands.

[the truth]

That is a valid point.

I am open to keeping nuclear weapons but I do have concerns as to the costs of doing so..

The Falklands conflict could have never been settled with nuclear weaponry in 1982.
Even with them still now, a similar conflict could not be settled with them still.

However, a similar invasion of the Falklands now,would see the UK stranded in effect, not able to do what it did in 1982 at all,due to the ehavy cuts to the UKs armed forces and equipment.
So having nuclear weapons wouldn't stop that if say Argentina wished to invade again,yet despite having all that might, we could do just about nothing this time to protect the Falklands.

fair points....wed have to ask the yanks for another hand out and pay them back by 2074 which is about the same period it took last time

[bots]

That is a valid point.

I am open to keeping nuclear weapons but I do have concerns as to the costs of doing so..

The Falklands conflict could have never been settled with nuclear weaponry in 1982.
Even with them still now, a similar conflict could not be settled with them still.

However, a similar invasion of the Falklands now,would see the UK stranded in effect, not able to do what it did in 1982 at all,due to the heavy cuts to the UKs armed forces and equipment.
So having nuclear weapons wouldn't stop that if say Argentina wished to invade again,yet despite having all that might, we could do just about nothing this time to protect the Falklands.

The point I was making when I mentioned the Falklands is that we went to the UN and asked for assistance, and even our closest allies told as to **** off, you are on your own. That was an invasion of sovereign British territory, and no-one gave a damn. The point being, you can't rely on anyone else to have your back in a war situation, you may get help and assistance, you may not. Thats why you need all the protective measures you can get.

[joeysteele]

The point I was making when I mentioned the Falklands is that we went to the UN and asked for assistance, and even our closest allies told as to **** off, you are on your own. That was an invasion of sovereign British territory, and no-one gave a damn. The point being, you can't rely on anyone else to have your back in a war situation, you may get help and assistance, you may not. Thats why you need all the protective measures you can get.

Absolutely,I agree with you. I see both points.
That is why I said I am open to keeping nuclear weapons,I just can see the arguments on the other side too.

[the truth]

so in the end were an open target to enemies because 1) weve allowed the nhs to go bankrupt 2) because we allowed the bankers rob us and the bailed the banks with our money and 3) new labour wasted the rest with their mental burocracy cover ups corruption quangos and waste

[empire]

nigel farage speaks the truth again, but we close are ears again, he wins the debate

[kirklancaster]

**** off fat Brenda :rant:

FFS:joker::joker::joker: This thread gets better and better.

[kirklancaster]

Absolutely,I agree with you. I see both points.
That is why I said I am open to keeping nuclear weapons,I just can see the arguments on the other side too.

I am beginning to wonder how we ever came to argue Joey - apart from the EU we're not THAT different really.

[joeysteele]

I am beginning to wonder how we ever came to argue Joey - apart from the EU we're not THAT different really.

I think overall we have tried to see each others point too Kirk.

Arguing does become part of debate, I have never seen so much dispute for instance between some of my family like I have on this election.
That is because the majority of them are moving from their usual bases as to political support and heading off in all directions.

The real truth is in essence,all parties have some good people and policies and bad people and policies, if all the good in all parties were put together as to their policies and they all worked together, really for the good of the nation, then problems would be fewer and fewer.

It may make for more boring politics but the UK and its citizens would in fact really be the winners for once.

I respect your views Kirk even when they are completely opposite to what I look for in a political party and its policies.