Mediterranean : boat's of Illegals off the coast of Libya, some drowned

[arista]

More Problems for Italy
that pulled out of Search and Rescue Full Funding


http://news.sky.com/story/1465022/hundreds-of-migrants-feared-drowned-off-libya


These Illegal Migrants
are never going to Stop
I say dump them all in Germany

[lostalex]

it's very unfair that the mediterranean states are being saddled with this immigration burden when we all know they were probably heading for countries farther north.
The EU really need to either create an EU fleet to deal with this problem, or allocate much more money and resources to help the mediterranean states. it's not fair to blame Italy for this or expect them to deal with this problem themselves.

This is truly a European problem.

[Crimson Dynamo]

more and more will come and this is why we need strict controls at our borders

[arista]

it's very unfair that the Mediterranean states are being saddled with this immigration burden when we all know they were probably heading for countries farther north.
The EU really need to either create an EU fleet to deal with this problem, or allocate much more money and resources to help the Mediterranean states. it's not fair to blame Italy for this or expect them to deal with this problem themselves.

This is truly a European problem.

Sweden has taken the most
Let Germany have the rest
they can fund it.

[arista]

more and more will come and this is why we need strict controls at our borders

Yes we do
as when they get here
they get all our money.


And we can no longer afford to fund them

Let the Fecking Germans have them

[the truth]

just horrific my heart bleeds for these people

[smudgie]

Tragic, those poor people.

Perhaps it is time to be taking a harder line.
Tow them all back to the shores they have left behind, then they might think twice about setting off again.:shrug:

[Kizzy]

It's really sad and just shows the desperation of these people :(

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's really sad and just shows the desperation of these people :(

well to be fair they dont really know much about seaworthiness or the danger, they are beeing fleeced by middle men of a promise of a great new life

its happened all through history

the clearances
Oz
Greenland

etc

its the hard end of capitalism and human evilness

[rubymoo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32057601

This is an idea of the journey those from war torn countries face, this quiz is based on escaping from Syria.

[empire]

countries like italy can't cope with mass migrants. in its country, italians don't like having illegal migrants in its country, with isis next door to them, the rise of the right wing in italy, is growing, it is best they keep them out rather than in.

[arista]

It's really sad and just shows the desperation of these people :(


Yes and the EU Commission
does FECK ALL


Illigal Migrants that go to South Africa
get killed (Ref : Ch4HD News Now)
some were burnt alive

[MTVN]

It's a very difficult issue, you can hardly blame people wanting to make the trip but it is very tough for Italy and there is a big security issue as well, only a couple of months ago IS were stating their intention to use migrant ships from Libya to get their fighters to Europe.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I want to know who they paid for the trip and what those people told them?

its not as easy as "oh poor people escaping persecution"

its a business based on lies and ignorance

[Vanessa]

Why would they want to come to Italy? We don't even have work for ourselves. :umm2:

[joeysteele]

Why would they want to come to Italy? We don't even have work for ourselves. :umm2:

It is a sad story,I agree with the posts that says it shows how desperate they must be to take such risks like this.

I hope things improve in Italy Vanessa.
I have tentatively been offered a job over there and I may just take off and go for it if the UK is heading out of the EU.

[Vanessa]

It is a sad story,I agree with the posts that says it shows how desperate they must be to take such risks like this.

I hope things improve in Italy Vanessa.
I have tentatively been offered a job over there and I may just take off and go for it if the UK is heading out of the EU.

I hope so as well. I worry about my nephews, who will find it very hard to find a job there. :(

[joeysteele]

I hope so as well. I worry about my nephews, who will find it very hard to find a job there. :(

Lovely Country Vanessa as you know. Let's hope good things are coming for it soon.

[Vanessa]

Lovely Country Vanessa as you know. Let's hope good things are coming for it soon.

Yes, it's beautiful. I'm going in July. The seaside there is amazing! :flutter:

[Northern Monkey]

I think there needs to be and probably will soon be a large naval or police presence in the Med from multiple countries to catch these ships and the resources to ship these migrants straight back to there country of origin.If it was done right then it would deter them from attempting these journeys.If people knew it was futile to try aswell as dangerous then hopefully they would think twice.The EU should pay for this since all its members pay into it.It is an EU problem.

[Nedusa]

This is a sad story, but to be honest no country in Europe can cope with a virtual never ending supply of African migrants who are mostly uneducated and with little or no skills.

They are of no use to these developed European countries and must not be allowed entry.

The EU needs to put into place Euro wide border controls to guard against this.

These potential migrants need to stop thinking they can just relocate to a richer country and all their problems will be solved. They cannot and should strive with help of billions upon billions of pounds of foreign aid to make their own countries prosperous .

They need to stay in their own countries and put their energies into tackling the problems there, not creating more problems for already overstretched European Countries

[arista]

This is a sad story, but to be honest no country in Europe can cope with a virtual never ending supply of African migrants who are mostly uneducated and with little or no skills.

They are of no use to these developed European countries and must not be allowed entry.

The EU needs to put into place Euro wide border controls to guard against this.

These potential migrants need to stop thinking they can just relocate to a richer country and all their problems will be solved. They cannot and should strive with help of billions upon billions of pounds of foreign aid to make their own countries prosperous .

They need to stay in their own countries and put their energies into tackling the problems there, not creating more problems for already overstretched European Countries


Some said its cheaper to keep them in a "Big Ship"
until they go home
or onto another nation (Germany I say)

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is a sad story, but to be honest no country in Europe can cope with a virtual never ending supply of African migrants who are mostly uneducated and with little or no skills.

They are of no use to these developed European countries and must not be allowed entry.

The EU needs to put into place Euro wide border controls to guard against this.

These potential migrants need to stop thinking they can just relocate to a richer country and all their problems will be solved. They cannot and should strive with help of billions upon billions of pounds of foreign aid to make their own countries prosperous .

They need to stay in their own countries and put their energies into tackling the problems there, not creating more problems for already overstretched European Countries

:clap1:

[Nedusa]

it's very unfair that the mediterranean states are being saddled with this immigration burden when we all know they were probably heading for countries farther north.
The EU really need to either create an EU fleet to deal with this problem, or allocate much more money and resources to help the mediterranean states. it's not fair to blame Italy for this or expect them to deal with this problem themselves.

This is truly a European problem.

It's not unfair on Mediterranean Countries , just unlucky they are the first Countries that these people encounter.

This is NOT a European problem, this is an African problem these people are African and have no right to ssume they can just all go and live in somebody else's Country.

[kirklancaster]

I think this is quite illuminating.

http://www.enzaferreri.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/lampedusa-italy-part-i-what-happened-in.html#axzz3XIkAhCi0

[kirklancaster]

It's not unfair on Mediterranean Countries , just unlucky they are the first Countries that these people encounter.

This is NOT a European problem, this is an African problem these people are African and have no right to ssume they can just all go and live in somebody else's Country.

I am being quite serious now Nedusa - There was a short time when I suspected that YOU were Enza Ferreri.

[Kizzy]

What is illuminating about the plight of these displaced refugees?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What is illuminating about the plight of these displaced refugees?

well it illuminates the problem for that wee island off the coast of Sicily for a kick off

[Kizzy]

well it illuminates the problem for that wee island off the coast of Sicily for a kick off

Naw... And there's me thinking it was highlighting a serious human rights violation.

[Vicky.]

Honestly, I do believe in general we need to tighten our borders. But for people like this..I really do think ALL EU countries should be doing everything they can to help them. These people aren't coming for benefits, or because our wages are higher than theirs, they genuinely are terrified for theirs and their childrens lives. Its completely different. I heard on the news a few weeks back that the amount of syrian refugees we have taken in was ridiculously low (something like 100 or so IIRC). This is a ****ing disgrace.

[Cherie]

This is a sad story, but to be honest no country in Europe can cope with a virtual never ending supply of African migrants who are mostly uneducated and with little or no skills.

They are of no use to these developed European countries and must not be allowed entry.

The EU needs to put into place Euro wide border controls to guard against this.

These potential migrants need to stop thinking they can just relocate to a richer country and all their problems will be solved. They cannot and should strive with help of billions upon billions of pounds of foreign aid to make their own countries prosperous .

They need to stay in their own countries and put their energies into tackling the problems there, not creating more problems for already overstretched European Countries


Whilst I agree with all this,these migrants are not piling into boats willy nilly they are being promised a better life by unscrupulous people and paying to cross in a lot of instances, I agree the waters should be patrolled if nothing else to stop these people from being ripped off.

[Cherie]

Honestly, I do believe in general we need to tighten our borders. But for people like this..I really do think ALL EU countries should be doing everything they can to help them. These people aren't coming for benefits, or because our wages are higher than theirs, they genuinely are terrified for theirs and their childrens lives. Its completely different. I heard on the news a few weeks back that the amount of syrian refugees we have taken in was ridiculously low (something like 100 or so IIRC). This is a ****ing disgrace.

I agree with this as well

[Kizzy]

Honestly, I do believe in general we need to tighten our borders. But for people like this..I really do think ALL EU countries should be doing everything they can to help them. These people aren't coming for benefits, or because our wages are higher than theirs, they genuinely are terrified for theirs and their childrens lives. Its completely different. I heard on the news a few weeks back that the amount of syrian refugees we have taken in was ridiculously low (something like 100 or so IIRC). This is a ****ing disgrace.

Yes, are many not Christians fleeing to a Christian country in fear of persecution?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Honestly, I do believe in general we need to tighten our borders. But for people like this..I really do think ALL EU countries should be doing everything they can to help them. These people aren't coming for benefits, or because our wages are higher than theirs, they genuinely are terrified for theirs and their childrens lives. Its completely different. I heard on the news a few weeks back that the amount of syrian refugees we have taken in was ridiculously low (something like 100 or so IIRC). This is a ****ing disgrace.

The migrants all come from Sub Saharan Africa. There is not much evidence I have seen that they fear for their lives - they are coming because the European streets are paved with gold in their eyes. Its mostly young men.

8,500 migrants had been rescued at sea between Friday and Monday.

One man expecting to leave on Wednesday night from the Egyptian coast, another popular launching pad for smugglers, earlier told the Guardian: “I’m determined to go whether or not there is a rescue operation. I’m risking my life for something bigger, for ambitions bigger than this.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/15/migrant-boat-sinks-mediterranean-passengers


But the sharp increase is seen as a sign of both the desperation of the people, and the determination of the criminal gangs to ship people to Europe.

At the end of last year people traffickers also began using a new technique – buying a large cargo vessel, filling it with migrants who had paid for the journey, and then setting it on course for Europe and abandoning the ship.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11404913/Migrant-ship-sinks-in-Mediterranean-with-over-200-people-on-board.html


Stop the criminal gangs that are organising these boats and making top dollar.

[arista]

The EU has failed in stopping them

so send them all to Fecking Germany
they can afford them

[Nedusa]

I am being quite serious now Nedusa - There was a short time when I suspected that YOU were Enza Ferreri.

No I'm far more right wing than her.......lol


:shocked::shocked::shocked:

[arista]

What is illuminating about the plight of these displaced refugees?


Yes Isis
got them running to stay alive.


We can not have any


So send them All to Germany

[Nedusa]

Honestly, I do believe in general we need to tighten our borders. But for people like this..I really do think ALL EU countries should be doing everything they can to help them. These people aren't coming for benefits, or because our wages are higher than theirs, they genuinely are terrified for theirs and their childrens lives. Its completely different. I heard on the news a few weeks back that the amount of syrian refugees we have taken in was ridiculously low (something like 100 or so IIRC). This is a ****ing disgrace.

Why are they terrified for their Childrens lives ? what has happened to cause this.

They are economic migrants are they not, not refugees from a war torn Country.

[Nedusa]

Whilst I agree with all this,these migrants are not piling into boats willy nilly they are being promised a better life by unscrupulous people and paying to cross in a lot of instances, I agree the waters should be patrolled if nothing else to stop these people from being ripped off.

Yes, I would agree with that...

[kirklancaster]

No I'm far more right wing than her.......lol


:shocked::shocked::shocked:

:joker: Which is why I love ya. :hehe:

[MTVN]

Why are they terrified for their Childrens lives ? what has happened to cause this.

They are economic migrants are they not, not refugees from a war torn Country.

Libya's not a war torn country? It's been ravaged by chaos and anarchy ever since Gaddafi's death. Unfortunately that has made it a gold mine for smugglers and a hot bed of extremism where IS have stated their intention to use boats like this to ship fighters into Europe.

[kirklancaster]

well it illuminates the problem for that wee island off the coast of Sicily for a kick off

Exactly.

[kirklancaster]

Libya's not a war torn country? It's been ravaged by chaos and anarchy ever since Gaddafi's death. Unfortunately that has made it a gold mine for smugglers and a hot bed of extremism where IS have stated their intention to use boats like this to ship fighters into Europe.

Exactly - and the very real possibility that IS are actually implementing that plan and have been for a while is a real worry. The trouble is - how do we spot them?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Libya's not a war torn country? It's been ravaged by chaos and anarchy ever since Gaddafi's death. Unfortunately that has made it a gold mine for smugglers and a hot bed of extremism where IS have stated their intention to use boats like this to ship fighters into Europe.

they are not from Libya its just the port they use. They are all from Sub Saharan Africa

[Kizzy]

Every man is an island... On this island they are, and the unfortunates can remain on that island.

[arista]

Another 41 Illegal Migrants dead in the water
after small boat sunk.

Ref: Ch5HD news

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1467920/boat-carrying-700-migrants-capsizes-off-libya

[New Boat Carrying 700 Migrants Capsizes Off Libya]

[kirklancaster]

Whilst I agree with all this,these migrants are not piling into boats willy nilly they are being promised a better life by unscrupulous people and paying to cross in a lot of instances, I agree the waters should be patrolled if nothing else to stop these people from being ripped off.

It sounds like the gullible UK populace come every election time.

[kirklancaster]

http://news.sky.com/story/1467920/boat-carrying-700-migrants-capsizes-off-libya

[New Boat Carrying 700 Migrants Capsizes Off Libya]

I think from all reports that both capsized boats were heading here:

http://www.enzaferreri.blogspot.co.u...#axzz3XIkAhCi0

[Kizzy]

http://news.sky.com/story/1467920/boat-carrying-700-migrants-capsizes-off-libya

[New Boat Carrying 700 Migrants Capsizes Off Libya]

I'm surprised there's a search and rescue, I thought they scaled down those operations in oct 14?
Since then 1000s have died.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/19/10/27B1320400000578-3045468-image-a-1_1429434490652.jpg
[Disaster: So far, only 28 people have been rescued following the incident,
which took place 17miles off the Libyan coast, and up to
700 African migrants are feared dead. Pictured is migrants arriving in Sicily]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045468/Up-700-feared-dead-migrant-boat-sinks-Libya-newspaper.html#ixzz3XleVgHV7


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/19/10/27B1386100000578-3045468-image-a-2_1429434493844.jpg
[This is the third major shipwreck involving migrants trying to cross the Mediterranean this week,
and a further 400 migrants are feared to have drowned in the other incidents]

[arista]

I'm surprised there's a search and rescue, I thought they scaled down those operations in oct 14?
Since then 1000s have died.


They are saying a Commercial Liner
went past
then the Illegals all moved to one side of the
boat,
then it tipped over.

So it was reported by a passing liner

[Kizzy]

The authorities may have known it was there and in trouble, and only the possible testament of the witnesses perhaps saved them in my view.

[arista]

The authorities may have known it was there and in trouble, and only the possible testament of the witnesses perhaps saved them in my view.


28 saved

from 650

is not good
this is the Bigger Death Toll
takes time to get all the drowned bodies

["At the moment, we fear that this is a tragedy of
really vast proportions", adding: "It seems we are looking
at the worst massacre ever seen in the Mediterranean."]

[arista]

Why would they want to come to Italy? We don't even have work for ourselves. :umm2:

Vanessa they want Illegal Jobs in the UK

But due to SIMPLE geography
Italy is first.

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/4/19/385452/default/v1/190415-missing-migrants-italy-libya-1-762x428.jpg

[kirklancaster]

Vanessa they want Illegal Jobs in the UK

But due to SIMPLE geography
Italy is first.

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/4/19/385452/default/v1/190415-missing-migrants-italy-libya-1-762x428.jpg

No - Lampedusa is first.

[arista]

No - Lampedusa is first.


Sure how many can that Hold?

[empire]

the eu states can't cope with floods of illegal migrants, and it will cause a racial and religious war in every city,

[arista]

the eu states can't cope with floods of illegal migrants, and it will cause a racial and religious war in every city,

Yes


Nothings Changing

[arista]

['They died like rats in cages': Horror of migrants' final
moments as it emerges 300 were locked in Europe-bound ship's hold]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3046653/Horror-trapped-migrants-final-moments-300-terrified-people-locked-ship-s-hold-capsized-way-Europe-leaving-900-dead.html#ixzz3XqZXA0A3


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/4/20/385719/default/v1/rhodes-rescue-2-2-762x428.jpg

[Vanessa]

::facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder how Australia manages to cope with illegal immigrants flooding their prosperous country from Asia?

[Kizzy]

Farage is all for immigration for Christians, even brown ones... which is nice of him.

'I have not got a problem with us offering refugee status to some Christians from those countries.'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Farage is all for immigration for Christians, even brown ones... which is nice of him.

'I have not got a problem with us offering refugee status to some Christians from those countries.'

I think more and more people are realising that he is right about immigration

[smudgie]

Sending more rescue boats will just encourage more to try the journey.
It needs stopping altogether, we need to be giving aid to these unfortunate people in their own countries. Certainly needs sorting, Europe is not big enough to be taking the amount of flow we are seeng.

[Kizzy]

I think more and more people are realising that he is right about immigration

But the UK is full?.... And here he is suggesting Christians are offered refugee status, looks like backtracking to me.

[Kizzy]

Sending more rescue boats will just encourage more to try the journey.
It needs stopping altogether, we need to be giving aid to these unfortunate people in their own countries. Certainly needs sorting, Europe is not big enough to be taking the amount of flow we are seeng.

It hasn't as anticipated deterred anyone, hundreds and hundreds of bodies are washing up on the shores of Malta.

[kirklancaster]

Farage is all for immigration for Christians, even brown ones... which is nice of him.

'I have not got a problem with us offering refugee status to some Christians from those countries.'

Yes. Note the word; "SOME" - in addition, allowing Christians in will NOT lead to the following problem and danger, quoted from my own post:

"Yet another 'ordinary Muslim immigrant' who has lived in the UK for years, turns out after all to have been a member of banned terrorist group Al Mujahiroun, a "champion for Shariah" who regularly attended the group's events and demonstrations before it was banned for its Islamist terrorist links in 2010, and a loyal follower and personal friend of 'Hate Preacher' Anjem Choudary.

Fifth Columnist Islamic Fundamentalists covertly and firmly ensconced among the 'ordinary' Muslim immigrant millions that we have LET IN and are still LETTING IN.

Just as I have CONTROVERSIALLY stated on here long ago.

Thank God that up to now, these hidden terrorists are LEAVING the UK to go 'FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT', but who can tell just how much damage these bastards have caused while ensconced here by covertly aiding their active and exposed terrorist brethren.

I wish that the UK would WAKE UP and see just what is happening before it is too late for us."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-Al-Muhajiroun

[Livia]

Some attention needs to be given to the countrymen of these poor people, who are making a significant amount of money from these people's misery. No one deserves to die like this, and the people selling the passage need to pay.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But the UK is full?.... And here he is suggesting Christians are offered refugee status, looks like backtracking to me.

Did you listen to the interview with Nick and Nigel on LBC this morning?, I did. The whole of it

[kirklancaster]

Sending more rescue boats will just encourage more to try the journey.
It needs stopping altogether, we need to be giving aid to these unfortunate people in their own countries. Certainly needs sorting, Europe is not big enough to be taking the amount of flow we are seeng.

We DO give aid smudgie - Billions of pounds worth - but it is basically 'misappropriated' by the powers that be and very little actually reaches those the money was intended to help.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Some attention needs to be given to the countrymen of these poor people, who are making a significant amount of money from these people's misery. No one deserves to die like this, and the people selling the passage need to pay.

Looks like some Ryanair subsidiary to me

[smudgie]

We DO give aid smudgie - Billions of pounds worth - but it is basically 'misappropriated' by the powers that be and very little actually reaches those the money was intended to help.

Yes, some very corrupt people.
Perhaps the aid needs to be given by directly setting up refugee camps, aid given to the people directly through charitable organisations rather than fattening the fat cat bstds that rule these countries.

[kirklancaster]

Farage is all for immigration for Christians, even brown ones... which is nice of him.

'I have not got a problem with us offering refugee status to some Christians from those countries.'

I sympathise myself, so I understand all the humanitarian concern on here for these poor unfortunates, but I wish there was the same concern where purely CHRISTIAN people are the DELIBERATE victims of murdering demons rather than an ACCIDENT - no matter how tragic it may be.

These unfortunates were complicit in their own demise by choosing to make this journey - no matter that there are mitigating reasons for that decision, whereas the poor CHRISTIANS below have no complicity other than the fact that they were innocent, peaceful, unarmed, defenceless people of the WRONG FAITH.


Isis behead and shoot Ethiopian Christians
arista
Yesterday 05:14 PM

REPLIES- 0 *********

*******TRUE humanitarian sympathy is NOT conditional upon culture, race, or creed or faith SPECIFICS but the amount of interest on here in Arista's post seems to belie that fact.

Sarcastic or derisive comments about Farage's humanitarian offer is misplaced.

[arista]

Farage is all for immigration for Christians, even brown ones... which is nice of him.

'I have not got a problem with us offering refugee status to some Christians from those countries.'



Yes Kizzy he has said that for months now.

They can go in your area.

[arista]

I wonder how Australia manages to cope with illegal immigrants flooding their prosperous country from Asia?



They Fecking Send them back
and FAST

[Northern Monkey]

But the UK is full?.... And here he is suggesting Christians are offered refugee status, looks like backtracking to me.

There's nothing wrong with taking refugees or anyone else in.AS LONG AS IT IS CONTROLLED.
Not just an open door for the whole of Europe to come in as they please.The country will end up full with that policy.

[kirklancaster]

There's nothing wrong with taking refugees or anyone else in.AS LONG AS IT IS CONTROLLED.
Not just an open door for the whole of Europe to come in as they please.The country will end up full with that policy.

:clap1:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/20/13/article-3046653-27C7EAFB00000578-929_964x377.jpg

[Livia]

There's nothing wrong with taking refugees or anyone else in.AS LONG AS IT IS CONTROLLED.
Not just an open door for the whole of Europe to come in as they please.The country will end up full with that policy.

Agree totally. I don't think anyone has a problem with this country taking in genuine refugees.

[Nedusa]

They Fecking Send them back
and FAST

I think they relied on the Great White Sharks as a deterrent

[arista]

I think they relied on the Great White Sharks as a deterrent


Thats sad
all being hunted for Evil China 's Shark Fin Soup

[Kizzy]

I sympathise myself, so I understand all the humanitarian concern on here for these poor unfortunates, but I wish there was the same concern where purely CHRISTIAN people are the DELIBERATE victims of murdering demons rather than an ACCIDENT - no matter how tragic it may be.

These unfortunates were complicit in their own demise by choosing to make this journey - no matter that there are mitigating reasons for that decision, whereas the poor CHRISTIANS below have no complicity other than the fact that they were innocent, peaceful, unarmed, defenceless people of the WRONG FAITH.


Isis behead and shoot Ethiopian Christians
arista
Yesterday 05:14 PM

REPLIES- 0 *********

*******TRUE humanitarian sympathy is NOT conditional upon culture, race, or creed or faith SPECIFICS but the amount of interest on here in Arista's post seems to belie that fact.

Sarcastic or derisive comments about Farage's humanitarian offer is misplaced.

And these Christians don't feel they're at risk of violence and choose to run towards the west rather than face an uncertain future where they are?
These are potential victims, My comments are not sarcastic Farage can't maintain his stance without appearing a monster.

[arista]

Live CH4HD now


Sadly many can not swim


Many in Libya
who are still going to pay for a boat
are not fully aware they may die in the water


Traffickers boats are to be Destroyed
in a new plan.


Another €uro meeting on Thursday
so I say many more will sadly Die


Also the UK
has taken in a few thousand
already.


No more at this Election time.

[Kizzy]

Live CH4HD now


Sadly many can not swim


Many in Libya
who are still going to pay for a boat
are not fully aware they may die in the water


Traffickers boats are to be Destroyed
in a new plan.


Another €uro meeting on Thursday
so I say many more will sadly Die

Hopkins is now a parliamentary advisor? :/

[arista]

Hopkins is now a parliamentary advisor? :/

who is that?

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/20/18/article-3046653-27CB1FF100000578-515_964x454.jpg


6 new boats are now in trouble

[Kizzy]

who is that?

That was Katie Hopkins idea.

[smudgie]

Destroying the boats makes sense..as long as they are empty.
Stops that dangerous journey.

[kirklancaster]

And these Christians don't feel they're at risk of violence and choose to run towards the west rather than face an uncertain future where they are?
These are potential victims, My comments are not sarcastic Farage can't maintain his stance without appearing a monster.

I feel thay you are completely missing the point of my post:

QUOTE: Originally Posted by kirklancaster
I sympathise myself, so I understand all the humanitarian concern on here for these poor unfortunates, but I wish there was the same concern where purely CHRISTIAN people are the DELIBERATE victims of murdering demons rather than an ACCIDENT - no matter how tragic it may be.

These unfortunates were complicit in their own demise by choosing to make this journey - no matter that there are mitigating reasons for that decision, whereas the poor CHRISTIANS below have no complicity other than the fact that they were innocent, peaceful, unarmed, defenceless people of the WRONG FAITH:

Isis behead and shoot Ethiopian Christians posted by arista - Yesterday 05:14 PM

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*******TRUE humanitarian sympathy is NOT conditional upon culture, race, or creed or faith SPECIFICS but the amount of interest on here in Arista's post seems to belie that fact.

Sarcastic or derisive comments about Farage's humanitarian offer is misplaced."

The MAIN point of my post was that it is NOTABLE how we weep and wail for drowned immigrants of unknown faith and without REALLY knowing whether they were genuine refugees fleeing persecution or just chancers hoping for a better life in the West - or indeed whether a number of them were in fact covert terrorists, yet NO ONE on here even responds to Arista's other post about innocent Christians being beheaded and shot just for being Christian.

Pardon me if I seem unmoved by any 'humanitarian' crocodile tears or if I maintain that criticising Nigel Farage for his comment is out of order.

[arista]

Destroying the boats makes sense..as long as they are empty.
Stops that dangerous journey.


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/4/20/385859/default/v2/guardian-1-720x960.jpg

[arista]

Captain Arrested Over Migrant Boat Disaster

http://news.sky.com/story/1468979/captain-arrested-over-migrant-boat-disaster

[Nedusa]

Sending more rescue boats will just encourage more to try the journey.
It needs stopping altogether, we need to be giving aid to these unfortunate people in their own countries. Certainly needs sorting, Europe is not big enough to be taking the amount of flow we are seeng.

Totally agree........by sending more boats we are just encouraging more of them to make this dangerous journey. We need to encourage these North African countries to police their coastlines more effectively.

I don't understand why they want to come to Europe from Libya as not so long ago the West got rid of the tyrant Gaddafi and installed law and order and democracy to that Country.

All the people that live there now should be able to build better more prosperous lives in their own Country secure in the knowldege that dictators like Gaddafi will not be allowed to oppress them.

Cannot understand why they would risk their lives and the lives of their families to come to Italy which has its own problems.

What is the point of the West bringing democracy to Countries like Afghanistan,Iraq,Yemen,Libya,Syria,Egypt,Somalia if their inhabitants are going to try and come to Europe first chance they get.

Ungrateful people especially if you think of the number of Armed servicemen that died helping to bring them democracy.

Really is no pleasing some people.

:think::think::think:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/21/12/27D0A17100000578-3048600-image-a-60_1429615810037.jpg
[A police handout showing Mohammed Ali Malek, the Ships Capt.]




['Killer': Malek, 27, was arrested when he stepped onto Sicilian soil last night
some 24 hours after his overcrowded boat capsized in the Mediterranean.
He has been charged with multiple manslaughter]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3048600/Pictured-Tunisian-skipper-bites-nails-alongside-Syrian-trafficker-return-shore-boat-capsized-killing-900-migrants.html#ixzz3Xxe9z2km

[Kyle]

tragic loss of life happening all over the place.

[joeysteele]

Except that Libya is now probably a worse place to be after the overthrow of Gadaffi.
There is in effect no real law and order there now and we have to take some of the blame for that coming about.
We should have made sure we knew who and what we were dealing with and supporting really before embarking on any action at all.

This is tragic,what is happening to people in effect fleeing for their lives and hoping for a better future, being conned by those offering to take them elsewhere for payment is just another rotten part of this.

There are old people and even children and babies losing their lives in these crossings, it would be inhumane to turn our backs on them and places must be found, even temporarily for them, in order to then try to find a longer term solution.

The UK and France particularly further de-stabalised the area and now really need to step up to the mark to save these peoples lives.
This must be a living nightmare for those people who only want to feel safer and maybe have a future.

[MTVN]

Except that Libya is now probably a worse place to be after the overthrow of Gadaffi.
There is in effect no real law and order there now and we have to take some of the blame for that coming about.
We should have made sure we knew who and what we were dealing with and supporting really before embarking on any action at all.

This is tragic,what is happening to people in effect fleeing for their lives and hoping for a better future, being conned by those offering to take them elsewhere for payment is just another rotten part of this.

There are old people and even children and babies losing their lives in these crossings, it would be inhumane to turn our backs on them and places must be found, even temporarily for them, in order to then try to find a longer term solution.

The UK and France particularly further de-stabalised the area and now really need to step up to the mark to save these peoples lives.
This must be a living nightmare for those people who only want to feel safer and maybe have a future.

Exactly Joey, I wonder if Cameron and Sarkozy are still so pleased with their work

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01999/benghazi-cheer_1999171i.jpg

[Ammi]

The ruthless human traffickers charging desperate migrants up to £1,300 each to cross the Mediterranean are separating passengers according to race and locking Africans below deck, it has emerged.

More than 1,700 people have died making the perilous voyage in the past week alone and those who survive have told of unimaginable horrors on ships, including starvation, beatings and murders.

Teenagers arriving in Lampedusa told workers from Save the Children how migrants from sub-Saharan African countries were often kept below the deck, deprived of water and sunlight.
A teenage boy from Somalia said he wanted to be called Ali, after his friend who was pushed into the sea alongside other passengers.

"The Libyans who got me to Italy are not human," he said. "They speak with the gun not with words… they pushed eight Nigerians into the sea. And they pushed my friend into the sea. They all drowned."

Ali survived the trip alongside 400 others, telling how he was crammed below the deck with no windows.

"They didn't give us water otherwise we would have to go to the toilet," he said

"There is no toilet on the boat. If you were sick or went up a level to get air the traffickers would shoot you."

Ibrahim, a 17-year-old boy from Somalia, was also forced below the deck. "My boat had about 150 people on it," he said. "The Somalis were put on the bottom level and other nationalities could go on the top level." He had paid £1,300 for the journey.

Yusuf, a 17-year-old Palestinian boy who reached Italy in February after fleeing Gaza, said he was put on an upper level with other people from the Middle East

"The traffickers had guns and if you talked they said they would throw you overboard or shoot you."

A spokesperson for Save the Children said many migrants helped by their workers had told similar stories.

"What we hear from numerous migrants arriving in Italy is that migrants from African countries are often treated worse than Middle Eastern or Asian passengers," she said.

"They are often forced to stay in the hold, where they are at greater risk of drowning if the boat capsizes and can become ill from breathing in the petrol fumes.

In July last year, around 100 migrants were massacred by traffickers after they tried to escape a locked hold as fumes spread from the engine

Many of the estimated 900 migrants who drowned after a ship sailing from Libya capsized on Sunday had also been locked below the deck, according to a survivor.

The 32-year-old Bangladeshi man said he only lived because he was on an upper level of the vessel.

"I and the others managed to survive because we were outside, but many of the others remained prisoners in the hold of the boat because the traffickers had locked them in and they finished at the bottom of the sea," he said.



..there are so, so many people who need to be made accountable for these mass murders...and they're treated like less than human, their desperation to survive exploited, I just can't fathom why any country would then turn them away and not want to give them refuge...(if they survived the journey..)...I know housing etc but some kind of shelter could be prioritised if it was focused on..I just think this is far greater than country economics/problems and a world humanitarian issue...

[kirklancaster]

Yes, are many not Christians fleeing to a Christian country in fear of persecution?

I think you would do well to examine the truth about this 'Capsized boat' incident then you can rethink your question:

The boat is a microcosm of the Immigrant/Islamic Extremism REAL status Quo in the world proper.

Yes Christians are fleeing persecution from the the murderous savages that are Islamic Extremists, and there WERE Christians on that boat, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to escape evil when you are forced by circumstance to flee in the same craft as the very demonic savages you are fleeing from, and those poor Christians were deliberately and callously THROWN OVERBOARD by certain of the superior numbers of MUSLIMS aboard that boat - left to DROWN in the sea - LONG BEFORE the boat ever capsized.

This beggars the question of :

A) What were SOME of these poor unfortunate illegal immigrant Muslims fleeing from? Murderous, intolerant barbaric butchers? But that is a description of themselves surely? How can you flee from yourselves?

B) Having emphatically PROVED by their callous, inhumane, murderous actions that they identify more closely with those who they PROFESS to be fleeing from than those who they are attempting to flee to - then just WHY are they fleeing from them at all? And are they REALLY fleeing from them at all, or just using the 'Refugee'/ 'Political Asylum Seeker' claim as so many other 'Refugees' have used it so successfully before, to gain entry into Western countries for no other reason than the wish to secure a better life?

C) Or are these murderers secreted among the poor unfortunate capsized illegal immigrants; part of the ones that the Islamic terrorists leaders boasted of infiltrating Western Democracies via this very method - hidden among immigrants?

D) The fact that Italian police have arrested 15 Muslim migrants for throwing 12 Christians overboard would suggest that far GREATER numbers of these murdering, Islamic Extremists were originally aboard - unless we believe that Allah saved the only 15 that there were - so it would bear out that SOME of this boatload of illegal immigrants are far more than they superficially appear to be, and not what they PURPORT to be..

E) Had this boat NOT capsized, and events transpired as they have then we would have been UNAWARE that at LEAST 15 of the original 105 illegals on board were murdering Islamic Extremists, and HAD it landed in the UK and not trying to land in Italy, would not every Left Wing, Liberal have proposed welcoming them ALL with open arms?

F) Would we not then UNKNOWINGLY be letting into our country 15 MURDERING ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS?

G) How MANY of these TERRORISTS do you think we have ALREADY really let into the UK as a result of our unfettered, inane 'OPEN DOOR' immigration policy?

The above FACT, and the FACT that the latest figures for British domiciled immigrant Muslims who have left these shores and gone and joined IS in Syria is at LEAST 2,000 PROVES what Nedusa and I have been stating on here for months -

That unfettered immigration is INCONTROVERTIBLY linked with Islsamic Terrorism.

[joeysteele]

Exactly Joey, I wonder if Cameron and Sarkozy are still so pleased with their work

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01999/benghazi-cheer_1999171i.jpg

They certainly have not a single reason to be, that's for sure.

[bots]

I think you would do well to examine the truth about this 'Capsized boat' incident then you can rethink your question:

The boat is a microcosm of the Immigrant/Islamic Extremism REAL status Quo in the world proper.

Yes Christians are fleeing persecution from the the murderous savages that are Islamic Extremists, and there WERE Christians on that boat, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to escape evil when you are forced by circumstance to flee in the same craft as the very demonic savages you are fleeing from, and those poor Christians were deliberately and callously THROWN OVERBOARD by certain of the superior numbers of MUSLIMS aboard that boat - left to DROWN in the sea - LONG BEFORE the boat ever capsized.

This beggars the question of :

A) What were SOME of these poor unfortunate illegal immigrant Muslims fleeing from? Murderous, intolerant barbaric butchers? But that is a description of themselves surely? How can you flee from yourselves?

B) Having emphatically PROVED by their callous, inhumane, murderous actions that they identify more closely with those who they PROFESS to be fleeing from than those who they are attempting to flee to - then just WHY are they fleeing from them at all? And are they REALLY fleeing from them at all, or just using the 'Refugee'/ 'Political Asylum Seeker' claim as so many other 'Refugees' have used it so successfully before, to gain entry into Western countries for no other reason than the wish to secure a better life?

C) Or are these murderers secreted among the poor unfortunate capsized illegal immigrants; part of the ones that the Islamic terrorists leaders boasted of infiltrating Western Democracies via this very method - hidden among immigrants?

D) The fact that Italian police have arrested 15 Muslim migrants for throwing 12 Christians overboard would suggest that far GREATER numbers of these murdering, Islamic Extremists were originally aboard - unless we believe that Allah saved the only 15 that there were - so it would bear out that SOME of this boatload of illegal immigrants are far more than they superficially appear to be, and not what they PURPORT to be..

E) Had this boat NOT capsized, and events transpired as they have then we would have been UNAWARE that at LEAST 15 of the original 105 illegals on board were murdering Islamic Extremists, and HAD it landed in the UK and not trying to land in Italy, would not every Left Wing, Liberal have proposed welcoming them ALL with open arms?

F) Would we not then UNKNOWINGLY be letting into our country 15 MURDERING ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS?

G) How MANY of these TERRORISTS do you think we have ALREADY really let into the UK as a result of our unfettered, inane 'OPEN DOOR' immigration policy?

The above FACT, and the FACT that the latest figures for British domiciled immigrant Muslims who have left these shores and gone and joined IS in Syria is at LEAST 2,000 PROVES what Nedusa and I have been stating on here for months -

That unfettered immigration is INCONTROVERTIBLY linked with Islsamic Terrorism.

The logic for some of your arguments falls apart when considering the following:

1. In the UK we have muslims born here that have subsequently been radicalised and choose to head to the middle east to "fight the good fight". Therefore not intending to cause havoc in the UK

2. Given 1, why would ISIS need to send people to our shores using covert, largely unsuccessful methods when they already have all the radicals they need already living here legally.

Something doesn't add up here. I'm not suggesting we should not be concerned and careful about who we let in, but its not logical, so we need to be careful before labelling every muslim on a boat a terrorist

[arista]

Well done the PM
at the €uro meeting
helping with Security, Helicopters
Navy boats.

And clear to all
"None of these people are going to come to the UK
-- Election on and all"
he said they will taken to Italy


Bang On Right Dave

[arista]

"The ruthless human traffickers charging desperate migrants up to £1,300 each to cross the Mediterranean "

They will be Arrested and charged and put in Africa Jail

[Kizzy]

I think you would do well to examine the truth about this 'Capsized boat' incident then you can rethink your question:

The boat is a microcosm of the Immigrant/Islamic Extremism REAL status Quo in the world proper.

Yes Christians are fleeing persecution from the the murderous savages that are Islamic Extremists, and there WERE Christians on that boat, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to escape evil when you are forced by circumstance to flee in the same craft as the very demonic savages you are fleeing from, and those poor Christians were deliberately and callously THROWN OVERBOARD by certain of the superior numbers of MUSLIMS aboard that boat - left to DROWN in the sea - LONG BEFORE the boat ever capsized.

This beggars the question of :

A) What were SOME of these poor unfortunate illegal immigrant Muslims fleeing from? Murderous, intolerant barbaric butchers? But that is a description of themselves surely? How can you flee from yourselves?

B) Having emphatically PROVED by their callous, inhumane, murderous actions that they identify more closely with those who they PROFESS to be fleeing from than those who they are attempting to flee to - then just WHY are they fleeing from them at all? And are they REALLY fleeing from them at all, or just using the 'Refugee'/ 'Political Asylum Seeker' claim as so many other 'Refugees' have used it so successfully before, to gain entry into Western countries for no other reason than the wish to secure a better life?

C) Or are these murderers secreted among the poor unfortunate capsized illegal immigrants; part of the ones that the Islamic terrorists leaders boasted of infiltrating Western Democracies via this very method - hidden among immigrants?

D) The fact that Italian police have arrested 15 Muslim migrants for throwing 12 Christians overboard would suggest that far GREATER numbers of these murdering, Islamic Extremists were originally aboard - unless we believe that Allah saved the only 15 that there were - so it would bear out that SOME of this boatload of illegal immigrants are far more than they superficially appear to be, and not what they PURPORT to be..

E) Had this boat NOT capsized, and events transpired as they have then we would have been UNAWARE that at LEAST 15 of the original 105 illegals on board were murdering Islamic Extremists, and HAD it landed in the UK and not trying to land in Italy, would not every Left Wing, Liberal have proposed welcoming them ALL with open arms?

F) Would we not then UNKNOWINGLY be letting into our country 15 MURDERING ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS?

G) How MANY of these TERRORISTS do you think we have ALREADY really let into the UK as a result of our unfettered, inane 'OPEN DOOR' immigration policy?

The above FACT, and the FACT that the latest figures for British domiciled immigrant Muslims who have left these shores and gone and joined IS in Syria is at LEAST 2,000 PROVES what Nedusa and I have been stating on here for months -

That unfettered immigration is INCONTROVERTIBLY linked with Islsamic Terrorism.

I acknowledge you feel that the refugees are not Christians but are in fact Muslims masquerading as Christians.

[joeysteele]

He is wrong to say they all should only be going to Italy, his assistance, such that it is,is all well and good and necessary,very welcome too.
However,it falls well short of being enough.
I believe even the UN are saying the EU countries in particular should be doing more and also taking some of these people for a time at least.

This is an urgent crisis and a human one at that, any Prime Minister of the UK should be in there determined to do everything that should be done to alleviate the ongoing effects of this.

What he shouldn't be doing is avoiding the right, and probably at this time necessary and humane thing, as to giving refuge to some of these people and 'not' being more concerned at the criticisms he would get for doing so from the likes of UKIP because there happens to be an election going on.

What hopeless. weak and sickening leadership..

[kirklancaster]

I acknowledge you feel that the refugees are not Christians but are in fact Muslims masquerading as Christians.

Please - for God's sake - before we get another thread closed, just explain what you mean because once again I do not understand what you are trying to say.

[arista]

He is wrong to say they all should only be going to Italy, his assistance, such that it is,is all well and good and necessary,very welcome too.
However,it falls well short of being enough.
I believe even the UN are saying the EU countries in particular should be doing more and also taking some of these people for a time at least.

This is an urgent crisis and a human one at that, any Prime Minister of the UK should be in there determined to do everything that should be done to alleviate the ongoing effects of this.

What he shouldn't be doing is avoiding the right, and probably at this time necessary and humane thing, as to giving refuge to some of these people and 'not' being more concerned at the criticisms he would get for doing so from the likes of UKIP because there happens to be an election going on.

What hopeless. weak and sickening leadership..


No he is right as Italy has a Old USA Base
they put them in until their case is sorted.


Sorted

[joeysteele]

No he is right as Italy has a Old USA Base
they put them in until their case is sorted.


Sorted

I disagree 100%, it wasn't Italy that went into Libya for starters, that was the UK and France.
A good part of this is the massive instability and vile people in control in Libya.

He is right to give the help he is now but he is wrong to expect Italy to continue to take the excess of part of his disastrous policies in Libya that in part is now resulting in this human chaos and nightmare.

He should do the right thing and help alleviate the problems for Italy too on this and allow numbers to come here until a more concrete solution can be found in the future.
It is far from sorted and will never be by this half hearted response,albeit anything is welcome, from David Cameron today.
Terrible leadership and lip service compassion too.

[arista]

I disagree 100%, it wasn't Italy that went into Libya for starters, that was the UK and France.
A good part of this is the massive instability and vile people in control in Libya.

He is right to give the help he is now but he is wrong to expect Italy to continue to take the excess of part of his disastrous policies in Libya that in part is now resulting in this human chaos and nightmare.

He should do the right thing and help alleviate the problems for Italy too on this and allow numbers to come here until a more concrete solution can be found in the future.
It is far from sorted and will never be by this half hearted response,albeit anything is welcome, from David Cameron today.
Terrible leadership and lip service compassion too.


Yes back then we went in
& left
it was not a Takeover.

We are talking about Today
we did know Isis was going to take over loads of nations.

[kirklancaster]

The logic for some of your arguments falls apart when considering the following:

1. In the UK we have muslims born here that have subsequently been radicalised and choose to head to the middle east to "fight the good fight". Therefore not intending to cause havoc in the UK

2. Given 1, why would ISIS need to send people to our shores using covert, largely unsuccessful methods when they already have all the radicals they need already living here legally.

Something doesn't add up here. I'm not suggesting we should not be concerned and careful about who we let in, but its not logical, so we need to be careful before labelling every muslim on a boat a terrorist

None of my logic falls apart at all.

1) Some UK born Muslims may have 'subsequently been radicalised' and therefore chose to head to the middle east to "fight the good fight" therefore not intending to cause havoc in the UK, but that is no guarantee that other UK born Muslims have not been 'radicalised' years ago and have been covertly aiding and abetting the terrorist cause from within their base in this country.

Can you state with absolute certainty that such is NOT the case? Or do you believe that there are no 5th columnist terrorists and sympathisers among the immigrant Muslim population in this country and that all 'radicalised' ones kindly leave these shores immediately upon indoctrination?.

2. In answer to your question of why; "Given 1, why would ISIS need to send people to our shores using covert, largely unsuccessful methods when they already have all the radicals they need already living here legally." I will let ISIS answer for me:

"ISIS threatens to send 500,000 migrants to Europe as a 'psychological weapon' in chilling echo of Gaddafi's prophecy that the Mediterranean 'will become a sea of chaos'.

Italian press today published claims that ISIS has threatened to release the huge wave of migrants to cause chaos in Europe if they are attacked. And letters from jihadists show plans to hide terrorists among refugees In 2011, Muammar Gaddafi ominously predicted war would come to Libya He was deposed in a violent coup and killed in October of the same year Islamic State executed 21 Egyptian Christians on Libyan beach this week Crisis in Libya has led to surge in number of migrants heading for Europe".

And the link for the full article (one of many):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958517/The-Mediterranean-sea-chaos-Gaddafi-s-chilling-prophecy-interview-ISIS-threatens-send-500-000-migrants-Europe-psychological-weapon-bombed.html

With respect; when you write: "Something doesn't add up here. I'm not suggesting we should not be concerned and careful about who we let in, but its not logical, so we need to be careful before labelling every muslim on a boat a terrorist"

I did NOT 'label every Muslim on a boat as a terrorist'- - only the 15 who threw the Christians overboard to drown just because they were NOT Muslims. If you re-read my post you will see this clearly as the following relevant excerpts from that post attests:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post

Yes Christians are fleeing persecution from the the murderous savages that are Islamic Extremists, and there WERE Christians on that boat, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to escape evil when you are forced by circumstance to flee in the same craft as the very demonic savages you are fleeing from, and those poor Christians were deliberately and callously THROWN OVERBOARD by certain of the superior numbers of MUSLIMS aboard that boat - left to DROWN in the sea - LONG BEFORE the boat ever capsized.

This beggars the question of :

A) What were SOME of these poor unfortunate illegal immigrant Muslims fleeing from? Murderous, intolerant barbaric butchers? But that is a description of themselves surely? How can you flee from yourselves?

C) Or are these murderers secreted among the poor unfortunate capsized illegal immigrants; part of the ones that the Islamic terrorists leaders boasted of infiltrating Western Democracies via this very method - hidden among immigrants?

E) Had this boat NOT capsized, and events transpired as they have then we would have been UNAWARE that at LEAST 15 of the original 105 illegals on board were murdering Islamic Extremists, and HAD it landed in the UK and not trying to land in Italy, would not every Left Wing, Liberal have proposed welcoming them ALL with open arms?

F) Would we not then UNKNOWINGLY be letting into our country 15 MURDERING ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS?

I think that the numerous emboldened text irrefutably proves that I did NOT 'label every Muslim on a boat as a terrorist' and I feel therefore that I do not 'need to be careful' about anything - apart from constantly being misinterpreted and misquoted.

[Nedusa]

He is wrong to say they all should only be going to Italy, his assistance, such that it is,is all well and good and necessary,very welcome too.
However,it falls well short of being enough.
I believe even the UN are saying the EU countries in particular should be doing more and also taking some of these people for a time at least.

This is an urgent crisis and a human one at that, any Prime Minister of the UK should be in there determined to do everything that should be done to alleviate the ongoing effects of this.
What he shouldn't be doing is avoiding the right, and probably at this time necessary and humane thing, as to giving refuge to some of these people and 'not' being more concerned at the criticisms he would get for doing so from the likes of UKIP because there happens to be an election going on.

What hopeless. weak and sickening leadership..


Re the part in Bold above...............Why ????

Why should a British Prime Minister get involved in something that concerns people from a different Continent trying to get into a European Country illegally.

Where is the British connection ? This will always be a problem for the Med Countries and they need to make representation to the EU if they need help, but why would a British PM need to get involved.

This is not a humanitarian disaster like an Earthquake or Tsunami which are acts of God, for those situations I believe we should all help the victims.

But this is man made people trafficking and is something the security services of the countries affected should respond to, no one else.......

[Kizzy]

Please - for God's sake - before we get another thread closed, just explain what you mean because once again I do not understand what you are trying to say.

That's my interpretation of your post, you quoted my comment for my reaction and that was it. we did not get a thread closed.

[Kizzy]

Re the part in Bold above...............Why ????

Why should a British Prime Minister get involved in something that concerns people from a different Continent trying to get into a European Country illegally.

Where is the British connection ? This will always be a problem for the Med Countries and they need to make representation to the EU if they need help, but why would a British PM need to get involved.

This is not a humanitarian disaster like an Earthquake or Tsunami which are acts of God, for those situations I believe we should all help the victims.

But this is man made people trafficking and is something the security services of the countries affected should respond to, no one else.......

We were instrumental in the destabilisation of said country.

[kirklancaster]

That's my interpretation of your post, you quoted my comment for my reaction and that was it. we did not get a thread closed.

How in God's name do you deduce your response below from what I stated in my post?:

"I acknowledge you feel that the refugees are not Christians but are in fact Muslims masquerading as Christians."

Where does anything which I have written below justify the above?:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post

I think you would do well to examine the truth about this 'Capsized boat' incident then you can rethink your question:

The boat is a microcosm of the Immigrant/Islamic Extremism REAL status Quo in the world proper.

Yes Christians are fleeing persecution from the the murderous savages that are Islamic Extremists, and there WERE Christians on that boat, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to escape evil when you are forced by circumstance to flee in the same craft as the very demonic savages you are fleeing from, and those poor Christians were deliberately and callously THROWN OVERBOARD by certain of the superior numbers of MUSLIMS aboard that boat - left to DROWN in the sea - LONG BEFORE the boat ever capsized.

This beggars the question of :

A) What were SOME of these poor unfortunate illegal immigrant Muslims fleeing from? Murderous, intolerant barbaric butchers? But that is a description of themselves surely? How can you flee from yourselves?

B) Having emphatically PROVED by their callous, inhumane, murderous actions that they identify more closely with those who they PROFESS to be fleeing from than those who they are attempting to flee to - then just WHY are they fleeing from them at all? And are they REALLY fleeing from them at all, or just using the 'Refugee'/ 'Political Asylum Seeker' claim as so many other 'Refugees' have used it so successfully before, to gain entry into Western countries for no other reason than the wish to secure a better life?

C) Or are these murderers secreted among the poor unfortunate capsized illegal immigrants; part of the ones that the Islamic terrorists leaders boasted of infiltrating Western Democracies via this very method - hidden among immigrants?

D) The fact that Italian police have arrested 15 Muslim migrants for throwing 12 Christians overboard would suggest that far GREATER numbers of these murdering, Islamic Extremists were originally aboard - unless we believe that Allah saved the only 15 that there were - so it would bear out that SOME of this boatload of illegal immigrants are far more than they superficially appear to be, and not what they PURPORT to be..

E) Had this boat NOT capsized, and events transpired as they have then we would have been UNAWARE that at LEAST 15 of the original 105 illegals on board were murdering Islamic Extremists, and HAD it landed in the UK and not trying to land in Italy, would not every Left Wing, Liberal have proposed welcoming them ALL with open arms?

F) Would we not then UNKNOWINGLY be letting into our country 15 MURDERING ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS?

G) How MANY of these TERRORISTS do you think we have ALREADY really let into the UK as a result of our unfettered, inane 'OPEN DOOR' immigration policy?

The above FACT, and the FACT that the latest figures for British domiciled immigrant Muslims who have left these shores and gone and joined IS in Syria is at LEAST 2,000 PROVES what Nedusa and I have been stating on here for months -

That unfettered immigration is INCONTROVERTIBLY linked with Islsamic Terrorism.
.......................

THE MUSLIMS THREW THE CHRISTIANS OVERBOARD - What do you NOT understand about that?

I NEVER SAID THAT MUSLIMS ARE MASQUERADING AS CHRISTIANS and you have just made that up - AS USUAL.

[Nedusa]

We were instrumental in the destabilisation of said country.

Easy for you to say....... truth is these Countries are violently unstable already and we need to ensure that unstable and violent contingent never makes it as far as the UK.

[Kizzy]

How in God's name do you deduce your response below from what I stated in my post?:

"I acknowledge you feel that the refugees are not Christians but are in fact Muslims masquerading as Christians."

Where does anything which I have written below justify the above?:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post

I think you would do well to examine the truth about this 'Capsized boat' incident then you can rethink your question:

The boat is a microcosm of the Immigrant/Islamic Extremism REAL status Quo in the world proper.

Yes Christians are fleeing persecution from the the murderous savages that are Islamic Extremists, and there WERE Christians on that boat, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to escape evil when you are forced by circumstance to flee in the same craft as the very demonic savages you are fleeing from, and those poor Christians were deliberately and callously THROWN OVERBOARD by certain of the superior numbers of MUSLIMS aboard that boat - left to DROWN in the sea - LONG BEFORE the boat ever capsized.

This beggars the question of :

A) What were SOME of these poor unfortunate illegal immigrant Muslims fleeing from? Murderous, intolerant barbaric butchers? But that is a description of themselves surely? How can you flee from yourselves?

B) Having emphatically PROVED by their callous, inhumane, murderous actions that they identify more closely with those who they PROFESS to be fleeing from than those who they are attempting to flee to - then just WHY are they fleeing from them at all? And are they REALLY fleeing from them at all, or just using the 'Refugee'/ 'Political Asylum Seeker' claim as so many other 'Refugees' have used it so successfully before, to gain entry into Western countries for no other reason than the wish to secure a better life?

C) Or are these murderers secreted among the poor unfortunate capsized illegal immigrants; part of the ones that the Islamic terrorists leaders boasted of infiltrating Western Democracies via this very method - hidden among immigrants?

D) The fact that Italian police have arrested 15 Muslim migrants for throwing 12 Christians overboard would suggest that far GREATER numbers of these murdering, Islamic Extremists were originally aboard - unless we believe that Allah saved the only 15 that there were - so it would bear out that SOME of this boatload of illegal immigrants are far more than they superficially appear to be, and not what they PURPORT to be..

E) Had this boat NOT capsized, and events transpired as they have then we would have been UNAWARE that at LEAST 15 of the original 105 illegals on board were murdering Islamic Extremists, and HAD it landed in the UK and not trying to land in Italy, would not every Left Wing, Liberal have proposed welcoming them ALL with open arms?

F) Would we not then UNKNOWINGLY be letting into our country 15 MURDERING ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS?

G) How MANY of these TERRORISTS do you think we have ALREADY really let into the UK as a result of our unfettered, inane 'OPEN DOOR' immigration policy?

The above FACT, and the FACT that the latest figures for British domiciled immigrant Muslims who have left these shores and gone and joined IS in Syria is at LEAST 2,000 PROVES what Nedusa and I have been stating on here for months -

That unfettered immigration is INCONTROVERTIBLY linked with Islsamic Terrorism.
.......................

THE MUSLIMS THREW THE CHRISTIANS OVERBOARD - What do you NOT understand about that?

I NEVER SAID THAT MUSLIMS ARE MASQUERADING AS CHRISTIANS and you have just made that up - AS USUAL.

I understand there was an issue aboard a boat yes, not every boat. I have felt that is a theme running through some posts I have to admit, the distrust surrounding the rescue is evident.
The surviving refugees will be vetted I'm sure before being given asylum or returned, the idea that there will be unfettered immigration is baseless.

[kirklancaster]

I understand there was an issue aboard a boat yes, not every boat. I have felt that is a theme running through some posts I have to admit, the distrust surrounding the rescue is evident.
The surviving refugees will be vetted I'm sure before being given asylum or returned, the idea that there will be unfettered immigration is baseless.

Baseless? You have - once again - misunderstood a perfectly lucid post Kizzy. I did NOT write that allowing some of these 'rescued boat survivors' into the UK amounted to 'unfettered immigration' because the 'unfettered immigration' stated is a reference to the UK's inane suicidal 'Open Door' immigration policy under the EU.

I made that plain because I actually wrote:

"The above FACT, and the FACT that the latest figures for British domiciled immigrant Muslims who have left these shores and gone and joined IS in Syria is at LEAST 2,000 PROVES what Nedusa and I have been stating on here for months -

That unfettered immigration is INCONTROVERTIBLY linked with Islsamic Terrorism."

"The above fact" - meaning the fact that at least 15 of the Muslims rescued proved to be Islamic Terrorists - and that this fact COUPLED with the "FACT that the latest figures for British domiciled immigrant Muslims who have left these shores and gone and joined IS in Syria is at LEAST 2,000" -- proves what Nedusa and I havce been saying for months -- That unfettered immigration is INCONTROVERTIBLY linked with Islamic Terrorism."

[Kizzy]

The immigration status of EU members is different than the rest of the world yes.
UK citizens leaving for Syria is an entirely separate issue to this.
Are the 15 terrorists the survivors accused of murdering the 12 Christians?
I do find your posts hard to decipher as you seem to have 3 different discussions taking place in your one post.

[bots]

"The above fact" - meaning the fact that at least 15 of the Muslims rescued proved to be Islamic Terrorists - and that this fact COUPLED with the "FACT that the latest figures for British domiciled immigrant Muslims who have left these shores and gone and joined IS in Syria is at LEAST 2,000" -- proves what Nedusa and I havce been saying for months -- That unfettered immigration is INCONTROVERTIBLY linked with Islamic Terrorism."

Kirk, you keep making references to muslims as if they are an entirely immigrant population. This is most certainly not the case with many being second or even third generation wholly UK citizens.

I get your point, but you can't keep connecting immigration to a terrorism threat based on tenuous data. Its also worthwhile pointing out that the majority of muslims do not have an EU country of origin and so are subject to far stricter immigration rules, not dictated by europe. Those with EU citizenship are just as likely to 2nd or 3rd generation there as we have here.

I'm sorry to say, but one needs to be objective when looking at these issues, otherwise it just comes across as being wholly racist, without merit and only likely to make any problems that we do have worse.

[arista]

We were instrumental in the destabilisation of said country.

Sure

But we we asked to go in to save the people
so UK and France bombed and went in
then Left. No Take Over like your Evil Labour


Unlike you Horrible War Criminal Blair/Bush /Iraq

And many Iraqi's are on the Fecking Boat
LADY

[Kizzy]

Sure

But we we asked to go in to save the people
so UK and France bombed and went in
then Left. No Take Over like your Evil Labour


Unlike you Horrible War Criminal Blair/Bush /Iraq

And many Iraqi's are on the Fecking Boat
LADY

He's not MY Blair...I was not a labour supporter during those times, I voted Lib dem during the last election too so I would appreciate it if you didn't align me with Labour support at that time thankyou.

[arista]

He's not MY Blair...I was not a labour supporter during those times, I voted Lib dem during the last election too so I would appreciate it if you didn't align me with Labour support at that time thankyou.


He Bloody Well is
you have the Red Labour Flag Avatar (2015 Your WarCriminal Blair gave a speech for you)
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If you change your avatar
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[joeysteele]

Re the part in Bold above...............Why ????

Why should a British Prime Minister get involved in something that concerns people from a different Continent trying to get into a European Country illegally.

Where is the British connection ? This will always be a problem for the Med Countries and they need to make representation to the EU if they need help, but why would a British PM need to get involved.

This is not a humanitarian disaster like an Earthquake or Tsunami which are acts of God, for those situations I believe we should all help the victims.

But this is man made people trafficking and is something the security services of the countries affected should respond to, no one else.......

I would ask why not.

He along with other UK leaders is a contributer to the unease and problems of fear in some of those areas.

I's not a humatiarian disaster you say, old people, children even babies at risk of losing their lives, people fleeing in fear from countries because of the instabilities there.

You don't call that a humanitarian disaster,I for sure do.

I would expect any decent govt; to be doing all it can to help these epople not leave them to firstly be robbed of likely all they have and them being desperate to find some safety for them and their loved ones.
I for sure would not leave them to drown either,showing not a scrap of concern for their lives.

Then expecting a Nation like Italy.already in turmoil with the numbers being taken there, to virtually insist they still have to take just about all of them, while this PM attempts to grab some attention for in the end doing very little.

Not a humanotarian disaster,people fleeing from homelands in fear, robbed,then at great risk of being drowned.
Wow, I am really glad I myself could never see it that way

[Kizzy]

He Bloody Well is
you have the Red Labour Flag Avatar
Fact


If you change your avatar
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I support Labour now, stop telling me what to do.

[arista]

I support Labour now, stop telling me what to do.



2015 your WarCriminal Blair gave You a Speech


Thats this year
dear

http://www.cityam.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_article_body_image/public/main/articles/tony-blair-apr-2015-getty-1024x640.jpg?itok=61M9eQvJ

[smudgie]

I am hoping Mr. Cameron sticks to his guns, we have enough problems of our own thank you very much.

We need to try and stop the flow, no way can we take all these people from the rest of the world.

[joeysteele]

He Bloody Well is
you have the Red Labour Flag Avatar (2015 Your WarCriminal Blair gave a speech for you)
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If you change your avatar
then you are right

Rather way over the top that.

John Major and Margaret Thatcher took us into Iraq in the early 90s.

I never supported Blair either like Kizzy, I was not a Labour supporter until the last 3 years.
I would have never agreed with any action in Iraq, the 2nd or even the first time we went there.
I certainly didn't agree with the Libya situation either under this Prime Minister.
The seeds he helped sow in Libya have now grown into one of the ugliest regimes in place anywhere now.


Kizzy, keep your avatar,Blair was no PM I liked either and I too voted Lib Dem in 2010.
That has no bearing whatsoever on why you and I both support Labour now.
We shouldn't keep getting that fact thrown at us in this hostile way either.

[Kizzy]

2015 your WarCriminal Blair gave You a Speech


Thats this year
dear

http://www.cityam.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_article_body_image/public/main/articles/tony-blair-apr-2015-getty-1024x640.jpg?itok=61M9eQvJ

So... He's not the leader or a minister.

[kirklancaster]

Kirk, you keep making references to muslims as if they are an entirely immigrant population. This is most certainly not the case with many being second or even third generation wholly UK citizens.

I get your point, but you can't keep connecting immigration to a terrorism threat based on tenuous data. Its also worthwhile pointing out that the majority of muslims do not have an EU country of origin and so are subject to far stricter immigration rules, not dictated by europe. Those with EU citizenship are just as likely to 2nd or 3rd generation there as we have here.

I'm sorry to say, but one needs to be objective when looking at these issues, otherwise it just comes across as being wholly racist, without merit and only likely to make any problems that we do have worse.

I think short of semantics, Bitontheslide, I feel that I make myself quite clear when referring to Muslim immigrants just who mI am referring to.

I AM being objective. I am aware of everything which I write about and I KNOW the very real and very grave danger that this country - and most of the other Western Democratic countries in the world - is in, through the well stated agenda of IS and ISIL and ISIS and Boko Haram and every other Islamic Terrorist organisation who are slaughtering, beheading, shooting and burning and bombing their bloody way through the world in a relentless determination to ISLAMIFY it.

I no longer care whether I come across as 'Racist' to those who are too blind to see the truths which are staring them in the face every single bloodstained day of every single sickening blood-soaked week.

I am not anti-Muslim just anti-Islamic Terrorist, but the links between
them far from being 'tenuous' are transparent and incontrovertible - as what follows attests:

Besides the fact that 2,000 'British Muslims' or British Based Immigrant Muslims have left the UK to join IS, are those facts below:

2014-15 - Jihadi John.

1994 - 27-year-old Omar Sheikh a North London-born Pakistani graduate of a private school and the London School of Economics, was arrested and jailed for his involvement in the kidnapping of three Britons and an American in India. Released in 1999 in exchange for the passengers and crew of the hijacked Air India flight IC-814, he was subsequently connected to the bombing of an American cultural centre in Calcutta in January 2002 and that same month organised the kidnapping and beheading of the Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

2003 - Two British men — Asif Hanif, 21, from -Hounslow in west London and Omar Khan Sharif, 27 — carried out a suicide bombing in a bar on the waterfront in Tel Aviv. Omar Sharif had been a student of King’s College London, just across the road from LSE. That time the glory of killing three Israelis and wounding over 50 was claimed by the terrorist group Hamas.

7 July 2005, British-born Muslims carried out the first suicide bombings on British soil.

21st July 2005 - British-born Muslims attempted 4 more suicide bombings on British soil.

2008 - Birmingham based Parviz Khan headed a Birmingham terrorist cell and was convicted for plotting the 2007 kidnapping and beheading of a British Muslim soldier on video.

25th Dec 2009 - The former head of the Islamic Society at University College London attempted to explode a bomb on a plane as it landed in Detroit.

2013 - Two British based Muslims decapitated Drummer Lee Rigby in broad daylight in south London.

Feb 2014 - 41-year-old Abdul Waheed Majid from Crawley, West Sussex, carried out a truck-bombing against a jail in Aleppo, Syria.

May 2014 - The Instagram account of a British Muslim from London shows numerous jihadist war crimes in Syria, including the killing of a prisoner believed to be a loyalist of President Bashar al-Assad.

August 2014 - West Londoner Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary appeared in a photo he himself posted on Twitter. He is pictured holding a severed head with the caption ‘chillin’ with my homie, or what’s left of him’.

The above are just a few notable cases and do not take into account the many terrorist attacks by British-based Muslims on British soil which are being constantly thwarted by our Security Services - including "at least one large-scale mass atrocity attempt on the lives of the British public each year".

I do not know how anyone can just ignore all this and the bloody wars and slaughter being committed by these Islamic demons and delude themselves that we should only pay it all 'lip service'.

I'm sorry but me and my wife and children and relatives live in this country and this world as well, and I will speak out against what I KNOW is really happening in this fecked up world no matter how many rail against me, because I owe my kids a future, and lethargy, appeasement, and apathy, and liberal left bleeding heart sensibilities will NOT ensure that future.

[joeysteele]

Could someone,no matter what they think,help me find anywhere where there has been a trial and that Tony Blair has in fact been found guilty of being a war criminal.
Try as I may I cannot find a single thing as to that 'yet' being a proven fact by a court in this land or also any International court either.
It may well be the opinion or thinking of many but that doesn't make it so until it is conclusively proven.

Has he actually even been charged with any war crimes yet either.

[arista]

So... He's not the leader or a minister.


Very True
but he is one of your Labour people

[Livia]

Very True
but he is one of your Labour people

He's a Middle East Peace Envoy. You couldn't make that kind of sh*t up.

[kirklancaster]

He's a Middle East Peace Envoy. You couldn't make that kind of sh*t up.

:joker::joker::joker: No indeedy Doody.

[bots]

I think short of semantics, Bitontheslide, I feel that I make myself quite clear when referring to Muslim immigrants just who mI am referring to.

I AM being objective. I am aware of everything which I write about and I KNOW the very real and very grave danger that this country - and most of the other Western Democratic countries in the world - is in, through the well stated agenda of IS and ISIL and ISIS and Boko Haram and every other Islamic Terrorist organisation who are slaughtering, beheading, shooting and burning and bombing their bloody way through the world in a relentless determination to ISLAMIFY it.

I no longer care whether I come across as 'Racist' to those who are too blind to see the truths which are staring them in the face every single bloodstained day of every single sickening blood-soaked week.

I am not anti-Muslim just anti-Islamic Terrorist, but the links between
them far from being 'tenuous' are transparent and incontrovertible - as what follows attests:

Besides the fact that 2,000 'British Muslims' or British Based Immigrant Muslims have left the UK to join IS, are those facts below:

2014-15 - Jihadi John.

1994 - 27-year-old Omar Sheikh a North London-born Pakistani graduate of a private school and the London School of Economics, was arrested and jailed for his involvement in the kidnapping of three Britons and an American in India. Released in 1999 in exchange for the passengers and crew of the hijacked Air India flight IC-814, he was subsequently connected to the bombing of an American cultural centre in Calcutta in January 2002 and that same month organised the kidnapping and beheading of the Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

2003 - Two British men — Asif Hanif, 21, from -Hounslow in west London and Omar Khan Sharif, 27 — carried out a suicide bombing in a bar on the waterfront in Tel Aviv. Omar Sharif had been a student of King’s College London, just across the road from LSE. That time the glory of killing three Israelis and wounding over 50 was claimed by the terrorist group Hamas.

7 July 2005, British-born Muslims carried out the first suicide bombings on British soil.

21st July 2005 - British-born Muslims attempted 4 more suicide bombings on British soil.

2008 - Birmingham based Parviz Khan headed a Birmingham terrorist cell and was convicted for plotting the 2007 kidnapping and beheading of a British Muslim soldier on video.

25th Dec 2009 - The former head of the Islamic Society at University College London attempted to explode a bomb on a plane as it landed in Detroit.

2013 - Two British based Muslims decapitated Drummer Lee Rigby in broad daylight in south London.

Feb 2014 - 41-year-old Abdul Waheed Majid from Crawley, West Sussex, carried out a truck-bombing against a jail in Aleppo, Syria.

May 2014 - The Instagram account of a British Muslim from London shows numerous jihadist war crimes in Syria, including the killing of a prisoner believed to be a loyalist of President Bashar al-Assad.

August 2014 - West Londoner Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary appeared in a photo he himself posted on Twitter. He is pictured holding a severed head with the caption ‘chillin’ with my homie, or what’s left of him’.

The above are just a few notable cases and do not take into account the many terrorist attacks by British-based Muslims on British soil which are being constantly thwarted by our Security Services - including "at least one large-scale mass atrocity attempt on the lives of the British public each year".

I do not know how anyone can just ignore all this and the bloody wars and slaughter being committed by these Islamic demons and delude themselves that we should only pay it all 'lip service'.

I'm sorry but me and my wife and children and relatives live in this country and this world as well, and I will speak out against what I KNOW is really happening in this fecked up world no matter how many rail against me, because I owe my kids a future, and lethargy, appeasement, and apathy, and liberal left bleeding heart sensibilities will NOT ensure that future.

I will only point out that the description "British Born" repeated several times in your above post, indicated clearly and without room for misinterpretation that the people being referred to are UK citizens and not immigrants. I honestly don't know how it could be more clear. So, I repeat once more, you cannot under any circumstances, use that data to link terrorism with immigration.

[kirklancaster]

I will only point out that the description "British Born" repeated several times in your above post, indicated clearly and without room for misinterpretation that the people being referred to are UK citizens and not immigrants. I honestly don't know how it could be more clear. So, I repeat once more, you cannot under any circumstances, use that data to link terrorism with immigration.

OK. Ignore everything else which I write and we'll agree to disagree on semantics.

[arista]

Our Battleships
will Search and Destroy
and arrest the the Human Traffickers

Bring It On.

[arista]

Ch4HD News on now

Reported a new 400 Illegals from Gateway Libya Port
in the sea were taken to to the Italy run Island
many were pregnant women.


Its time we stopped their boats from leaving
by destroying them

[Helen 28]

Our Battleships
will Search and Destroy
and arrest the the Human Traffickers

Bring It On.

We haven't had a battleship for over 50 years.

[Kizzy]

Boats of 'illegals'... When do they cease to be 'people'? When they get on a boat.....when they drown... when they're washed up on European beaches?

[empire]

mediterranean countries don't have the infrastructure to handle it,eastern europe is too poor, denmark,germany,holland,france and britain, are full already, we should let christian ones in, they integrate better, and musilm contries should take musilm ones only, its better than having trouble makers who refuse to leave when there country is stable,

[arista]

Boats of 'illegals'... When do they cease to be 'people'? When they get on a boat.....when they drown... when they're washed up on European beaches?


Yes they are People, of course
but Nations have enough of Illegals.

[Kizzy]

'Speaking in Germany before the start of the G7 summit, the UK prime minister, David Cameron, said: “HMS Bulwark, the Royal Navy flagship, is in the Mediterranean because we want to save lives. Britain is a country that doesn’t walk on by. We are a country with a conscience, and that’s right.'

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/07/royal-navy-hms-bulwark-mission-rescue-migrants-libya

[Toy Soldier]

Jesus... It's really coming to something when David Cameron is more moral than some of the people commenting on the article.

Think he'll find he's wrong though, half of this "country with a conscience" is happy enough to see them drown.

[Kizzy]

Is he heck, I think he's been given a kick up the arse by the rest of Europe, strange how he ignored them for so long and even called off the rescue boats, then when G7 rolls around he starts wringing his hands... Not fooling anyone dave.

[arista]

'Speaking in Germany before the start of the G7 summit, the UK prime minister, David Cameron, said: “HMS Bulwark, the Royal Navy flagship, is in the Mediterranean because we want to save lives. Britain is a country that doesn’t walk on by. We are a country with a conscience, and that’s right.'

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/07/royal-navy-hms-bulwark-mission-rescue-migrants-libya


Yes Our Navy has saved over 5,000 Lives
then they are taken to that Italy Island
as the UK has no room for any
and the voters back the PM on that.


I watched it Live on SkyNewsHD


BBCnews did not get close enough

[arista]

Jesus... It's really coming to something when David Cameron is more moral than some of the people commenting on the article.

Think he'll find he's wrong though, half of this "country with a conscience" is happy enough to see them drown.


TS your view is wrong

I will send this link to the PM

[arista]

I am hoping Mr. Cameron sticks to his guns, we have enough problems of our own thank you very much.

We need to try and stop the flow, no way can we take all these people from the rest of the world.


Yes He has told us so.

Italy is taking them
then other Euro Nations take some
But Not us.

[Livia]

Jesus... It's really coming to something when David Cameron is more moral than some of the people commenting on the article.

Think he'll find he's wrong though, half of this "country with a conscience" is happy enough to see them drown.

No one wants to see people drowned, but the truth is, we can't take 'em all. The traffickers must be targeted.

[Toy Soldier]

No one wants to see people drowned, but the truth is, we can't take 'em all. The traffickers must be targeted.
Like I said on another thread, obviously it's not feasible for the entire world to move to Europe, but also as I said on the same thread, let's not pretend that if the roles were reversed most of us wouldn't be trying to do exactly the same thing...

But anyway, I disagree. Either there are plenty of people who have absolutely no issue with seeing people drowned (indifference, not the same as "wanting to see it") OR they do a bloody good job of pretending to, for whatever reason. Which isn't really much better.

[Kizzy]

This is an interesting point with regard to the points made about safe European countries passed by migrants, I think the mail mindset is the are all headed solely for Britain.

'1%
If you read the British press, you’d think that Calais was the major battleground of the European migrant crisis, and that Britain was the holy grail of its protagonists. In reality, the migrants at Calais account for as little as 1% of those who have arrived in Europe so far this year. Estimates suggest that between 2,000-5,000 migrants have reached Calais, which is between 1% and 2.5% of the more than 200,000 who have landed in Italy and Greece. Just as importantly, there is no evidence to suggest that as many as seven in 10 have reached Britain after arriving in Calais. The Daily Mail admitted this several paragraphs into its article *.'

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/10-truths-about-europes-refugee-crisis

* https://fullfact.org/live/2015/aug/calais_migrants_seven_ten_enter_uk-46920

[Kizzy]

Immigration quiz

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/europes-migration-crisis-the-facts-and-figures-quiz