Labour Lord Janner may be guilty of raping children but gets off due to his dementia

[arista]

One legal expert said it can still go to court
without the Suspect there.


[Labour Lord Janner will not face prosecution
despite facing credible evidence
The Director of Public Prosecutions
says decision made with 'deep regret' ]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3041209/Labour-s-Janner-not-charged-alleged-child-abuse-Prosecutors-say-not-public-peer-86-trial-age-dementia.html#ixzz3XU35azTB

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[joeysteele]

It would seem that errors were made years ago as to investigating this, you cannot really have a fair trial where the person is likely to be unable to understand the charges or in anyway be questioned as to them.

If his dementia is as bad as is stated then his time is likely short now in any event.

As wrong as it may seem for no charges being brought,it would in such a case, serve no likely interest,public or otherwise, to have a trial at this time, decades ago would have been a different matter.

[kirklancaster]

It would seem that errors were made years ago as to investigating this, you cannot really have a fair trial where the person is likely to be unable to understand the charges or in anyway be questioned as to them.

If his dementia is as bad as is stated then his time is likely short now in any event.

As wrong as it may seem for no charges being brought,it would in such a case, serve no likely interest,public or otherwise, to have a trial at this time, decades ago would have been a different matter.

I think the fact that he was a Labour Peer is irrelevant.

[joeysteele]

I think the fact that he was a Labour Peer is irrelevant.

I agree, I think if that dossier mentioned a while ago was ever produced and acted upon, all parties would probably have skeletons in the cupboards as to previous 'dubious' activities.

From my law angle,I would be saying this as to anyone, if they couldn't now understand the charges or be questioned,or be able to answer same to the point of also not being able to understand the court proceedings.
Then unfortunate as that may be, they cannot get a fair trial,if they cannot understand or speak in defence of themselves.

[kirklancaster]

I agree, I think if that dossier mentioned a while ago was ever produced and acted upon, all parties would probably have skeletons in the cupboards as to previous 'dubious' activities.

From my law angle,I would be saying this as to anyone, if they couldn't now understand the charges or be questioned,or be able to answer same to the point of also not being able to understand the court proceedings.
Then unfortunate as that may be, they cannot get a fair trial,if they cannot understand or speak in defence of themselves.

No argument from me there Joey. As you say, if he is suffering from Dementia then he is incapable of defending himself and as unfortunate for British Justice as this may be, the decision not to prosecute is the correct one.

I do not think that there is ANY institution in this country (or any other for that matter) where some of the 'members' do not have 'skeletons in the closet' - and that includes the Judiciary.

[arista]

No argument from me there Joey. As you say, if he is suffering from Dementia then he is incapable of defending himself and as unfortunate for British Justice as this may be, the decision not to prosecute is the correct one.

I do not think that there is ANY institution in this country (or any other for that matter) where some of the 'members' do not have 'skeletons in the closet' - and that includes the Judiciary.


Wrong
it can still go ahead
without him in Court.

[joeysteele]

Wrong
it can still go ahead
without him in Court.

That would be ridiculous and with respect I studied law.
If he just wasn't turning up, that would be a different thing altogther and he could be tried in his absence.

If he is however unable to even enter a plea as to not guilty or guilty,especially if he has someone who has to act as his power of attorney as to everyday affairs too,then it would be inhumane to hold such a trial.

As unfair as that is for no trial to be possible in anyones interests.
If his dementia is at the stage his Doctors have said, so bad that he could not take part or understand the proceedings,then it would likely be thrown out of court anyway.
No judgement could justifiably be made and I doubt any judge would do so either.

You are surely aware of what dementia is,memories, of people, including family and friends, life and events.good and bad, all gone for good.

[arista]

"That would be ridiculous"

But its been done before with some Ill suspects
not in Court.

FACT


He can not answer any questions at all.

But the Public want the case in court

Watch Ch4HD News tonight

[joeysteele]

"That would be ridiculous"

But its been done before with some Ill suspects
not in Court.

FACT


He can not answer any questions at all.

But the Public want the case in court

Watch Ch4HD News tonight

What has his Doctors said, they will have medical evidence to back it up, it is not easy to get out of going to court arista.

If he cannot answer questions and it is deemed he wouldn't understand the proceedings and therefore could not enter a plea even, how then could he 'stand' trial.
That is the operative and vital word, 'stand' trial.
An accused 'stands' trial,having the right to defend themselves,with dementia as bad as his is stated to be,he could not do so.

You cannot stand trial if you really,due to dementia,don't understand what is going on in the first place.

If the medical evidence is as strong as stated then the public will unfortunately in this case, be sorely disappointed.
If it went ahead, then was deemed on the trial date or even the entering of a plea date, that no fair trial could be conducted due to the dementia,then the public would moan even more at the costs and wasting of court time that may possibly be incurred.

Oh and your thread title is wrong, he is not guilty of anything yet, not even charged even,he would only be guilty if he was found so by a jury or pleaded guilty himself at a 'fair' trial where both sides were fully heard and considered.
The media are important at times but they have not yet, thank goodness, replaced the rule of law in the UK as to being judge and jury.

[arista]

Yes thats why the Evil Man is not in Court
Joey

[Kazanne]

Dirty old bastard.

[arista]

On Ch4HD News now


The Police Chief has said its wrong
the Victims should their day in court
without the 86year old Labour Peer


He raped young Boys

[arista]

Kizzy he is the one

[joeysteele]

On Ch4HD News now


The Police Chief has said its wrong
the Victims should their day in court
without the 86year old Labour Peer


He raped young Boys

Then perhaps the Police should have pressed harder when allegations were made before.

The DPP has said there will be no trial because he could not even instruct his lawyers.
So therefore no sentence could be given either.

As I said, as bad and as sad as the situation is,he could not have a fair trial, that everyone is entitled to in the UK.

[JoshBB]

Disgusting.

But he has dementia, the case is really messy and it is unlikely he is well enough to go on to commit any more crimes. That doesn't excuse it, but the whole trial is difficult when as joeysteele said he cannot be questioned properly.

[Livia]

That would be ridiculous and with respect I studied law.
If he just wasn't turning up, that would be a different thing altogther and he could be tried in his absence.

If he is however unable to even enter a plea as to not guilty or guilty,especially if he has someone who has to act as his power of attorney as to everyday affairs too,then it would be inhumane to hold such a trial.

As unfair as that is for no trial to be possible in anyones interests.
If his dementia is at the stage his Doctors have said, so bad that he could not take part or understand the proceedings,then it would likely be thrown out of court anyway.
No judgement could justifiably be made and I doubt any judge would do so either.

You are surely aware of what dementia is,memories, of people, including family and friends, life and events.good and bad, all gone for good.

Succinctly put, Joey.

[Kizzy]

I don't see why it can't go ahead, Saviles did... Just because he's now infirm doesn't mean it didn't happen, I say the victims deserve this to be heard.

[bots]

If he has dementia as bad as indicated then a trial is not worth it. However, we had the famous Guinness man who made a remarkable recovery, so it is a ploy that successfully worked before. I would like to see a truly independent thorough examination and confirmation before any case like this is abandoned

[Kizzy]

So what if he's ill? Savile was dead and he had a trial... it could still go ahead. It's going to be like this for every MP or peer implicated they will find a way for them to worm out of it, it's sickening!

[Kazanne]

I don't see why it can't go ahead, Saviles did... Just because he's now infirm doesn't mean it didn't happen, I say the victims deserve this to be heard.

:clap1::clap1:

[kirklancaster]

If he has dementia as bad as indicated then a trial is not worth it. However, we had the famous Guinness man who made a remarkable recovery, so it is a ploy that successfully worked before. I would like to see a truly independent thorough examination and confirmation before any case like this is abandoned

I agree here. An impartial, thorough assessment.

[arista]

I don't see why it can't go ahead, Saviles did... Just because he's now infirm doesn't mean it didn't happen, I say the victims deserve this to be heard.


Yes the Police Chief said that as well

[Kizzy]

So the victims shouldn't expect justice? I'm sorry I can't accept that.

[joeysteele]

If he has dementia as bad as indicated then a trial is not worth it. However, we had the famous Guinness man who made a remarkable recovery, so it is a ploy that successfully worked before. I would like to see a truly independent thorough examination and confirmation before any case like this is abandoned

2 of the Doctors official medical reports were ordered and actioned by the DPP to be done before the DPP went about deciding if he could stand trial and understand what was going on as to court proceedings.

Those medical reports confirmed the other 2 from other Doctors,,there are 4 reports in all,even stating he would not be able to even instruct his lawyers

He was independently examined and assessed and sadly at this point in time,as I am sure you know already, dementia cannot be reversed or for that matter improved.

[kirklancaster]

2 of the Doctors official medical reports were ordered and actioned by the DPP to be done before the DPP went about deciding if he could stand trial and understand what was going on as to court proceedings.

Those medical reports confirmed the other 2 from other Doctors,,there are 4 reports in all,even stating he would not be able to even instruct his lawyers

He was independently examined and assessed and sadly at this point in time,as I am sure you know already, dementia cannot be reversed or for that matter improved.

Very informative Joey, Thank you.

[Nedusa]

I don't see why it can't go ahead, Saviles did... Just because he's now infirm doesn't mean it didn't happen, I say the victims deserve this to be heard.

It can't go ahead for the reasons stated in Joey's post, this is my second time posting this as the first one was removed due to my alleged insulting language.

[Kizzy]

It can't go ahead for the reasons stated in Joey's post, this is my second time posting this as the first one was removed due to my alleged insulting language.

Then wait till the old pervert is dead and have one... what's the problem, why does it have to be swept under the carpet because the dirty old man has lost his marbles?

[joeysteele]

Then wait till the old pervert is dead and have one... what's the problem, why does it have to be swept under the carpet because the dirty old man has lost his marbles?

It isn't going to be swept under the carpet Kizzy, the DPP was on the news tonight and said a mechanism is in place where the victims can get their stories/allegations publicly aired as in an inquiry.

There was no court case for Jimmy Saville,there was and still is inquiries going on as to his hospital crimes but there will be no court case.

The same with this guy, since he is now unable to understand what would be going on and cannot even be interviewed either as there would be no point.
No punishment or sentence would be able to be given, hence no prosecution.

She did state,an outlet would be there for the victims to state their issues,likely publicly if they wished it so but that is as far as it can go if someone cannot understand what is going on around them.
You have to be able to hear both sides in a court to make a judgement,that is impossible to do in this case.

[Kizzy]

It isn't going to be swept under the carpet Kizzy, the DPP was on the news tonight and said a mechanism is in place where the victims can get their stories/allegations publicly aired as in an inquiry.

There was no court case for Jimmy Saville,there was and still is inquiries going on as to his hospital crimes but there will be no court case.

The same with this guy, since he is now unable to understand what would be going on and cannot even be interviewed either as there would be no point.
No punishment or sentence would be able to be given, hence no prosecution.

She did state,an outlet would be there for the victims to state their issues,likely publicly if they wished it so but that is as far as it can go if someone cannot understand what is going on around them.
You have to be able to hear both sides in a court to make a judgement,that is impossible to do in this case.

That's good then, an inquiry or whatever just something to air what the grievances are against this man and anyone else involved in the previous investigations in the 90s.
Why has it taken so long? It's so frustrating that these people manage to slither under the radar and evade paying for their crimes while hiding behind a false facade of respectability as part of the establishment.

[bots]

That's good then, an inquiry or whatever just something to air what the grievances are against this man and anyone else involved in the previous investigations in the 90s.
Why has it taken so long? It's so frustrating that these people manage to slither under the radar and evade paying for their crimes while hiding behind a false facade of respectability as part of the establishment.

I'm pretty sure this is going to be revelation year in this respect. Unfortunately, because it has gone so high up the chain, we have had to wait until the people are so old/dead that they can no longer influence the decision makers, and so the information comes out. We may already be shocked, but I bet there are some very big names yet to come out.

[Kizzy]

I'm pretty sure this is going to be revelation year in this respect. Unfortunately, because it has gone so high up the chain, we have had to wait until the people are so old/dead that they can no longer influence the decision makers, and so the information comes out. We may already be shocked, but I bet there are some very big names yet to come out.

I totally agree, I just hope they do come out and aren't shielded as they have been. Those making the laws given free reign to break them? blurgh!

[Mystic Mock]

Am I the only one thinking that his got the best punishment with his Dementia? I know it sounds sick but that sounds like sweet justice for a paedophile.

[Kizzy]

No, it would be better if he got some stinging fatal knob rot.

[arista]

2 of the Doctors official medical reports were ordered and actioned by the DPP to be done before the DPP went about deciding if he could stand trial and understand what was going on as to court proceedings.

Those medical reports confirmed the other 2 from other Doctors,,there are 4 reports in all,even stating he would not be able to even instruct his lawyers

He was independently examined and assessed and sadly at this point in time,as I am sure you know already, dementia cannot be reversed or for that matter improved.


Yes we know All that
it was Clear on the News all day.



And Yes he has no way of knowing whats going on
That is why he never goes in Court

[billy123]

No, it would be better if he got some stinging fatal knob rot.Are you suggesting we send arista to meet him? Thats Biological warfare. :nono:

[arista]

Am I the only one thinking that his got the best punishment with his Dementia? I know it sounds sick but that sounds like sweet justice for a paedophile.


No
as he does not know whats going on.


Meanwhile
those boys he Raped
can go in court as they on older now
and tell the World how Evil he was.

He will be found Guilty
but no one will tell him.


Do you know his Family say he has done nothing wrong
but they were not at the London room.



Never Use Joey on a Legal Issue

[Mystic Mock]

I think Joey tbf is quite balanced in his view which is quite good going into Law.

Me and Kizzy however could struggle as we do tend to go down the one side lol.

[arista]

I think Joey tbf is quite balanced in his view which is quite good going into Law.

Me and Kizzy however could struggle as we do tend to go down the one side lol.



The Police Chief
has said it can still go to court,
without that Evil man there

I Trust him

[Kizzy]

I think Joey tbf is quite balanced in his view which is quite good going into Law.

Me and Kizzy however could struggle as we do tend to go down the one side lol.

I know Joey is right, fair minded and balanced it's what I admire most about him, I definitely go to one side on this you're right, it really sticks in my craw that he wasn't made to face a judge for what not 1 but 20 men accuse him of, child abuse.

[joeysteele]

No
as he does not know whats going on.


Meanwhile
those boys he Raped
can go in court as they on older now
and tell the World how Evil he was.

He will be found Guilty
but no one will tell him.


Do you know his Family say he has done nothing wrong
but they were not at the London room.



Never Use Joey on a Legal Issue

When did you become lawyer arista? I must have missed that somehow.

I told you everything that was possible as to this case going to court, you now should know it cannot for the reasons stated by the Director of Public Prosecutions herself.
You told me to watch Channel 4 news last night, well if you did, you would have heard her say everything I was saying.

I am not in any way intentionally to likely post something I know not to be true and with respect I may have better idea of the law and for that matter what the law can do than you since I studied it for 3 years at Uni and have done a further year since too.

All I have said was borne out yesterday by the DPP, so kindly stop this getting at me and saying I know nothing when with respect I likely already know a good sight more than you, especially on how the law works in the UK, since you think there can be a court case, whicjh there cannot be.

If you can only insult people then avoid them arista.
My word is my bond and that is something I fight very hard to make sure that my word can be trusted.

So very forcefully with regret,I urge you to retract that last part of your post and please stop getting at people who are simply telling the truth and facts as they are, and not how you think they should be.

[Livia]

arista, you need to change your thread title. It says this man is guilty when he hasn't been tried.

[arista]

Reports are now in that a week before he was
reviewed by dodgy doctors
he was sending notes to the House of Lords.

There is a Stink now

[arista]

arista, you need to change your thread title. It says this man is guilty when he hasn't been tried.


Done

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/4/21/386124/default/v2/the-times-1-720x960.jpg

[Tom4784]

It's sad that charges couldn't have been brought against him when he was well enough to be tried for his crimes.

It's the DoJ's fault for not being able to build a case sooner.

[Kizzy]

Apparently they knew nothing about it.....hmmmm.

A former director of public prosecutions has criticised Crown Prosecution Service officials for failing to present him with new evidence in 2007 of the Labour peer Lord Janner’s alleged abuse of children.

Lord Macdonald QC said that instead of passing on allegations of serious sexual offences against Janner, local CPS officials in Leicestershire dropped the pursuit of charges without consulting headquarters in London.

His comments shed more light on how Janner escaped prosecution for eight years, following a third police inquiry into claims that he abused a number of young boys.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/17/lord-janner-child-abuse-allegations-were-not-passed-to-me-former-dpp-says

[arista]

It's sad that charges couldn't have been brought against him when he was well enough to be tried for his crimes.

It's the DoJ's fault for not being able to build a case sooner.

Yes
but New Labour were in Power


something is being hidden

[Livia]

.............Never Use Joey on a Legal Issue


Joey's posts on this thread have been informed and well-thought through demonstrating his knowledge of the law. You could do a LOT worse than take his professional opinion on board.

[joeysteele]

The Conservatives were in power too in 1991 when this all first surfaced.

Anyway no cheap political point scoring from me, all I will say is there clearly are issues as to him and Cyril Smith particularly.
However the fact his health makes it impossible for him to 'understand' a trial,will mean little will come of it as to any sentencing or punishment,which still makes a trial in the true meaning of the word, pointless, although there can be some inquiry.

Maybe one Doctor could be wrong but not 4, and 2 of those who examined him were ordered by the CPS directly, so it is probably pure speculation as to dodgy Doctors.

The one fact I believe lies behind all of these instances is that every single party will likely have previous MPs who have been involved in cases like this.
Which is why we need that dossier found and published and whoever may be Home Secretary after the election must ensure some inquiry is put in place and these issues addressed for the genuine victims.

I would guess all parties however are biting their nails at the possibility of this can of worms being opened up for all to see and hear about.

[bots]

This is not about political parties, this is about individuals in positions of influence looking after their friends. In days gone by it was very common to ask a friend to help you out if they were in a position to influence the result. This manifested itself in people being employed if they went to the correct school etc etc, and applied to all walks of life, across the board.

Times have changed, and this is no longer appropriate, but clearly some "friends" didn't know what lines couldn't be crossed in their willingness to get people out of a spot of bother. Its all going to come out, but I can easily see it applying to many many high ranking individuals of a certain age across the entire political spectrum.

[Kizzy]

Nothings changed that still happens the old boys club.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/4/24/386978/default/v1/mailnew-1-720x960.jpg


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/4/24/386998/default/v1/sunnew-1-720x960.jpg

[Kizzy]

Funny I was just reading about this.

The decision by the Crown Prosecution Service not to bring charges against the wealthy peer and establishment insider Lord Greville Janner in connection with allegations of child abuse has been met with outrage among the general public and police.

Janner, now 86, has been investigated by the police four times in the last 25 years. More than a dozen people came forward to say that they had been abused by the former MP at children’s homes - but once again he’s been let off the hook - with the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) citing as the reason the “severity” of Lord Janner’s dementia.

What makes the decision particularly hard to take is that the CPS openly admits that Janner should have been prosecuted following investigations in the past, and that the charges against him were “extremely serious”.

http://rt.com/op-edge/250553-child-sex-abuse-janner-uk/

[Kizzy]

The mental capacity of Lord Janner, who will not face child abuse charges because he has dementia, could still be examined by third-party expert witnesses, according to a lawyer representing several of his alleged victims.

The move would be initiated as part of a series of civil claims being brought by alleged victims of the Labour peer who have been left distraught by the news that he will not face trial.

Richard Scorer, head of the abuse team at Slater & Gordon, which is acting for a number of those looking to bring civil actions, said the prospect of having Janner examined by other experts was under consideration.


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/25/janner-could-face-dementia-test-child-abuse-lawyer-says

[Vicky.]

I dont understand why dementia is an issue, when they can try and find guilty a dead person, who is even less likely to be right in the head to stand trial?

[Kizzy]

He can be tried when he's dead because the dead can't lie ...but the living can tell the truth.

[joeysteele]

Someone deceased cannot have a trial in court.

There can be an inquiry and some outlet there but in law,it has to be that an accused can understand the proceedings of a trial,also take part.
They can refuse to take part but in the case of dementia, it is even that decision that would be questioned as they are not able to think and plan and therefore are deemed unable to comply.

Once that is confirmed by expert medical advice and full examination carried out,as this has been done by 4 Doctors not just one in this case,then the only conclusion would be as to a magistrates or crown court trial, that no matter the possible charges, a fair trial,which goes to the very heart of UK law, cannot be served.

It is possible civil action can be done but there again,there will be no punishment or real relevant sentence possible.

An inquiry, which is being sought in tis case, would however allow the victims their day as to revealing their grievances and account of events at least.

[Kizzy]

He was fit enough to express he wanted to remain a peer and be director of a company until 2 weeks ago.. the progression of his dementia it's all a little too convenient .

[joeysteele]

He was fit enough to express he wanted to remain a peer and be director of a company until 2 weeks ago.. the progression of his dementia it's all a little too convenient .

If that is the case, and that he himself dictated that rather than an appointed power of attorney then that does seem odd.

A power of attorney would have the authority to sanction those sort of decisions,as they would over his financial matters.

If he himself actually 'legally' made those decisions himself without a power of attorney then that would shed a different light on things.
It would surprise me that in view of the independent Doctors appointed at the intructions of the CPS, and the investigation that had gone on as to him,that if that was evident, then the ensuing medical reports would have been constructed around that.

None of those decisions, being a Peer or even a Director, requires involvement or attendance either really of said person.
Both can be just a name on paper.

I do wholly agree it sounds odd, if it is the case that only he himself actually made such decisions, rather than someone else appointed by law to carry out his affairs, which is the usual scenario in the case of dementia.

[Vicky.]

Someone deceased cannot have a trial in court.

There can be an inquiry and some outlet there but in law,it has to be that an accused can understand the proceedings of a trial,also take part.
They can refuse to take part but in the case of dementia, it is even that decision that would be questioned as they are not able to think and plan and therefore are deemed unable to comply.

Once that is confirmed by expert medical advice and full examination carried out,as this has been done by 4 Doctors not just one in this case,then the only conclusion would be as to a magistrates or crown court trial, that no matter the possible charges, a fair trial,which goes to the very heart of UK law, cannot be served.

It is possible civil action can be done but there again,there will be no punishment or real relevant sentence possible.

An inquiry, which is being sought in tis case, would however allow the victims their day as to revealing their grievances and account of events at least.
I thought Saville was found guilty though...thats what all the rags said

[arista]

He was fit enough to express he wanted to remain a peer and be director of a company until 2 weeks ago.. the progression of his dementia it's all a little too convenient .


Yes Very True,

[joeysteele]

I thought Saville was found guilty though...thats what all the rags said

Saville hasn't been tried in court.
There are inquiries and there is a further one as to how he had his free access to victims in the NHS too.

Such inquiries can presume guilt but obviously cannot punish Saville.
There are claims made as to the victims against the estate of Saville, and maybe there will be claims against this guy after inquieires in the future too.

He may well be guilty but if his dementia really is at the advanced stage as is reported, then no trial or sentencing can be carried out.

[Kizzy]

The decision not to prosecute Greville Janner for historical child sex offences is to be overturned, according to reports.

A barrister who has spent several weeks examining the evidence as part of an independent review has concluded there should be a hearing of the allegations, the Daily Mail has claimed.

The decision is expected to be released next week and would overturn the Crown Prosecution Service’s decision in April not to pursue Lord Janner.

Such a move would pave the way for evidence to be tested in a criminal court in a “trial of facts”, and will put Alison Saunders, the director of public prosecutions, under pressure to resign.

Simon Danczuk, the MP for Rochdale who has campaigned for a trial of facts, told the Guardian that if the report is accurate, Saunders will now have to consider her position.


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/26/cps-decision-not-to-prosecute-lord-janner-to-be-overturned

[arista]

Yes Confirmed now going to Court

[joeysteele]

Yes Confirmed now going to Court

From all my studying of law, this will astound me if the trial does not collapse even if it gets into a courtroom.

If the medical evidence is as strong as was stated,then his state of mind will be even worse now than even just months ago.
A lengthy trial will be likely the case if it goes ahead and I just fail to see how it could be conducted.

Unless there are real flaws found in the 4 medical assessments,then all I can see is a costly trial for the taxpayer and courtroom time being wasted.
If he is 'really' as ill as was stated,this will collapse likely very soon after going ahead.

[arista]

But Joey
the point is the Victims
will tell their story in court,
even if he is not prosecuted.

Thats all these Men - who were just children ,at that time,
want.

[arista]

He was due appear in court
today


but did not

[Kizzy]

He was due appear in court
today


but did not

tsk tsk...

[arista]

Infact
I have predicted that wrong.
He is still to attend next Friday

Janner Ordered To Attend Sex Abuse Hearing

The former Leicester West MP Lord Janner is told he must appear in court as it decides what sort of trial, if any, he should face.

http://news.sky.com/story/1531973/janner-ordered-to-attend-sex-abuse-hearing


Two Doctors will be there will be there watching him


Update :Ch4HD News it can also be done in his home with a Judge

[joeysteele]

Infact
I have predicted that wrong.
He is still to attend next Friday

Janner Ordered To Attend Sex Abuse Hearing

The former Leicester West MP Lord Janner is told he must appear in court as it decides what sort of trial, if any, he should face.

http://news.sky.com/story/1531973/janner-ordered-to-attend-sex-abuse-hearing


Two Doctors will be there will be there watching him

These are what would normally be the start of a really likely long process as to going to an actual trial.

I can fully understand why the Judge wants to see him in person.

It will still greatly astound me, if he is as far advanced as to Dementia as the original medical reports stated,if this ever really goes on to trial stage.
With Dementia and Alzheimers,time is really important, he is only likely going to get far worse as the months and maybe even a year goes by,that is,if in fact he even reaches a full trial date.

[arista]

Today He Goes To Court

[Mystic Mock]

As Joey's already said, how far will this trial really go with him having Dementia?

[Kizzy]

He may not be there but the facts will be regardless...

[Kizzy]

'Greville Janner has arrived at court in person to face child abuse allegations after his lawyers failed in a final attempt to prevent him being forced to attend.

The former Labour peer arrived at Westminster magistrates court in central London on Friday afternoon in a silver car – hours after he was initially due to appear.

Lord Janner’s barrister, Paul Ozin, had told deputy chief magistrate Emma Arbuthnot that Janner should be allowed to appear via a live videolink from his home due to the severity of his Alzheimer’s.'

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/14/lord-janner-to-appear-in-court-over-child-sex-abuse-charges