Which political party is your fave?

[Withano]

?

[Withano]

I'm not from Scotland but SNP are the best to me

[billy123]

You left out undecided.

[user104658]

I ship SNP / Labour coalition. I don't think that will happen though, the writers know that it would annoy too many fans and the drop in ratings would see it cancelled before it gets a second season.

[Pete.]

I'm not from Scotland but SNP are the best to me
:suspect:

[Ammi]

..there ain't no party like an S Club party and if there were, I would vote for them... gettin' down tonight...

[user104658]

..there ain't no party like an S Club party and if there were, I would vote for them... gettin' down tonight...
Not with MPs like Jo O'Meara. Institutionalised racism!

[Ammi]

Not with MPs like Jo O'Meara. Institutionalised racism!

....ooops, yeah well we'll just skip over that bit..I was thinking more fabulous outfits and great dance routines...

[arista]

I'm not from Scotland but SNP are the best to me



Thats So Nice of you



She is better that Sell Out Ed

[arista]

I ship SNP / Labour coalition. I don't think that will happen though, the writers know that it would annoy too many fans and the drop in ratings would see it cancelled before it gets a second season.


Joey says it will

[joeysteele]

Probably overall the SNP at present of all the parties.

Of the ones I can vote for since I live in England then it is Labour all the way at present.

[arista]

..there ain't no party like an S Club party and if there were, I would vote for them... gettin' down tonight...


Shame on you
All these Women that Died for you
and you a women
does not Vote.

Its Shocking the Massive
Women that are not voting


Sign Of The Times

[Kazanne]

Conservatives for me so far.

[arista]

Conservatives for me so far.


You Are Most Wise

[Mystic Mock]

You left out undecided.

This.

[Ammi]

Shame on you
All these Women that Died for you
and you a women
does not Vote.

Its Shocking the Massive
Women that are not voting


Sign Of The Times

..I'm always in the voting line with my fellow ladies, Arista...don't you fret about that....

[Cherie]

Not sure I have a fave yet

[Nedusa]

I'm sailing on the SS UKIP

[waterhog]

you never had the raving loony party up in the list and as the leader i fill very let down.

[Pete.]

..there ain't no party like an S Club party and if there were, I would vote for them... gettin' down tonight...
Preach

[arista]

Not sure I have a fave yet


Are you in the Closet



Some are scared to get the Political Bullys on here
gang up on them

[arista]

you never had the raving loony party up in the list and as the leader i fill very let down.


Thats like saying


None Of The Above

[Cherie]

Are you in the Closet



Some are scared to get the Political Bullys on here
gang up on them

Quite right I am Arista and I have the door locked

[Crimson Dynamo]

when will Britain First?

[kirklancaster]

I'm sailing on the SS UKIP

And I'm in the very next cabin on the same ship.

[Jay.]

for me it's snp/green

but I just found out that people from the uk can't vote for snp so

[kirklancaster]

Probably overall the SNP at present of all the parties.

Of the ones I can vote for since I live in England then it is Labour all the way at present.

:fist: Joey - You didn't vote - Labour is on Zero!

[smudgie]

Has to be Conservatives for me, our local MP is great.

[arista]

Has to be Conservatives for me, our local MP is great.



You Are Most Wise

[Crimson Dynamo]

for me it's snp/green

but I just found out that people from the uk can't vote for snp so

people from the UK can vote for SNP :joker:

But only if you are in Scotland

the clue is in the name:hehe:

[Jay.]

people from the UK can vote for SNP :joker:

But only if you are in Scotland

the clue is in the name:hehe:

that's what i meant :nono:

[joeysteele]

:fist: Joey - You didn't vote - Labour is on Zero!

I know, At this moment in time the SNP do go much further on policies I would like to see however.
I did add that Labour was the party I most liked that I could vote for.

If I lived in Scotland however, like the great numbers of still undecided voters there are up there at present,I would be struggling as to who to vote for, Labour or SNP.

Oddly,enough although I am supporting Labour,I do believe it isn't the case that to a lot of voters they would be their favourite party.
It is just that so many voters really detest this coalition and have seen the cruelty of the Conservative policies particularly, that they see Labour as the only effective way to get them out.

[joeysteele]

Has to be Conservatives for me, our local MP is great.

Many of them are really good and dedicated.

I know of lots of them,I also like it when all the odds are stacked against a good MP that the voters keep behind them with a good personal vote.

If voters fail to give credit to really good MPs,then it is no wonder more and more poor ones become the norm.

[Crimson Dynamo]

that's what i meant :nono:

you have to vote Ukip in England, keep your mitts of the SNP

:hmph:

[Cherie]

I'm sailing on the SS UKIP

And I'm in the very next cabin on the same ship.

I'm cutting a sizeable hole in the Hull as we speak :hehe:

[Rob!]

People voting UKIP :worry:

[Crimson Dynamo]

People voting UKIP :worry:

yes as they face realities that others prefer to sweep under the carpet in case people call them a name

:rolleyes:

[MTVN]

Two torpedoes needed to take out the SS UKIP and SS Salmond

[Crimson Dynamo]

Two torpedoes needed to take out the SS UKIP and SS Salmond

plus a few more to take out all the boats full of illegals heading to England and the NHS

[Rob!]

yes as they face realities that others prefer to sweep under the carpet in case people call them a name

:rolleyes:

What like homophobic and racist?

[kirklancaster]

People voting UKIP :worry:

They filled my little mind with dread
of The Boogeyman hiding beneath my bed.
"He's evil and 'orrible so don't dare look"
Then I did and thought; "Woah What The ****?"
There was no Boogeyman beneath my bed
Just Nigel with THE TRUTH instead"

From 'Original Ode's' by Kirk Byron with a foreword by WaterHog. Published by Tibb and available from 'Cut Through The Crap' bookshop and all good outlets. :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

What like homophobic and racist?

well if you find any examples of that in their recent manifesto let me and the thread know


:idc:

[arista]

Two torpedoes needed to take out the SS UKIP and SS Salmond


Sure SNP


But even though they all No to a UKIP merge
saying no they will not
work with them etc


If UKIP numbers go up
they will be merged in (to keep Labour feckers Out)
One of them Douglas
is a former Conservative
so he can set it up.

[Rob!]

well if you find any examples of that in their recent manifesto let me and the thread know


:idc:

plus a few more to take out all the boats full of illegals heading to England and the NHS

:wavey:

[Rob!]

Or maybe the fact that they refer to homosexuality as a special interest group?

[Jack_]

95% sure I'll be voting Labour in the GE, but also like the Greens (and may vote for them in the council election happening in my uni area), the SNP and the TUSC.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Or maybe the fact that they refer to homosexuality as a special interest group?

Where in the manifesto?

[Crimson Dynamo]

:wavey:

I dont work for ukip

#reaching

[kirklancaster]

Or maybe the fact that they refer to homosexuality as a special interest group?

Like every other party Rob, UKIP are far from perfect, but with me it's a case of the Pro's FAR outweighing any CONS.

In my opinion, the EU and our 'Open Door' immigration policy are THE two issues which are of the gravest, most urgent concern for this country's future survival, and Farage is THE only politician who is genuine, honest and passionate about addressing them both - the other leaders are paying lip service or have policies which are in opposition to my own views.

As LT says; there is NOTHING in the UKIP Manifesto to alarm anyone, and if the day ever came when Farage held power directly or the balance of power in a coalition, and adverse policies DID start to be proposed or implemented, then ALL of us have the vote to remove him.

The other (Big) two party leaders are PROVEN liars whereas Farage is merely the victim of propaganda.

I'll give him a chance.

[MB.]

Where in the manifesto?

It isn't in their manifesto, because UKIP are the only political party not to mention LGBT rights in their manifesto.

[Jack_]

It isn't in their manifesto, because UKIP are the only political party not to mention LGBT rights in their manifesto.

:joker:

[kirklancaster]

It isn't in their manifesto, because UKIP are the only political party not to mention LGBT rights in their manifesto.

Just as they are the ONLY political party to have a fully costed sound and legitimate Manifesto.

[Rob!]

Where in the manifesto?

It's the fact that the were the ONLY party to leave anything about LGBT rights out of their manifesto.

I dont work for ukip

#reaching

You should, you'd be excellent.

Like every other party Rob, UKIP are far from perfect, but with me it's a case of the Pro's FAR outweighing any CONS.

In my opinion, the EU and our 'Open Door' immigration policy are THE two issues which are of the gravest, most urgent concern for this country's future survival, and Farage is THE only politician who is genuine, honest and passionate about addressing them both - the other leaders are paying lip service or have policies which are in opposition to my own views.

As LT says; there is NOTHING in the UKIP Manifesto to alarm anyone, and if the day ever came when Farage held power directly or the balance of power in a coalition, and adverse policies DID start to be proposed or implemented, then ALL of us have the vote to remove him.

The other (Big) two party leaders are PROVEN liars whereas Farage is merely the victim of propaganda.

I'll give him a chance.

I don't understand how anybody can actually take a long hard look at what UKIP want to achieve and not consider it as worrying. Their views ARE bigoted. Do you honestly believe that the most terrible thing going on in this country is that people are coming over here from different countries for work? You are aware of what is actually happening in a lot of these countries? The reasons they want to escape? Their motives aren't as sinister as you'd like to believe.
These "bloody foreigners" are taking the jobs that the British don't want. Factory work, land work - things that a lot of Brits see as beneath them. How the hell the UK can be so terrified of political correctness and not offending anybody when UKIP is a serious contender for government is beguiling to say the least.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lol so they are homophobic for something not in their manifesto?

Brilliant

[kirklancaster]

It's the fact that the were the ONLY party to leave anything about LGBT rights out of their manifesto.



You should, you'd be excellent.



I don't understand how anybody can actually take a long hard look at what UKIP want to achieve and not consider it as worrying. Their views ARE bigoted. Do you honestly believe that the most terrible thing going on in this country is that people are coming over here from different countries for work? You are aware of what is actually happening in a lot of these countries? The reasons they want to escape? Their motives aren't as sinister as you'd like to believe.
These "bloody foreigners" are taking the jobs that the British don't want. Factory work, land work - things that a lot of Brits see as beneath them. How the hell the UK can be so terrified of political correctness and not offending anybody when UKIP is a serious contender for government is beguiling to say the least.

The issues are far, far, more complex and deeper than that Rob, but 'each to their own' and as always I respect your right to your view.

[Rob!]

Lol so they are homophobic for something not in their manifesto?

Brilliant

So you believe that homosexuality is a special interest group? Like caravanners?

[MB.]

Lol so they are homophobic for something not in their manifesto?

Brilliant

UKIP candiate John Lyndon Sullivan said that "poofters" should be shot
John Kearney said that gay people are "prisoners who need freedom"
UKIP donor Demetri Marchessin says that gay people are incapable of fidelity
Iain McLaughlin says it was a tragedy that Section 28 was repealed
UKIP MEP Roger Helmer says it's ok to be homophobic if you're over 70, and that being gay's "abnormal and undesirable"
Julia Gasper says gay people should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act
David Silvester says gay marriage causes floods
Sam Fletcher is "baffled by the acceptance of homosexuality"

Just a few.

[Kizzy]

Labour.

[Rob!]

UKIP candiate John Lyndon Sullivan said that "poofters" should be shot
John Kearney said that gay people are "prisoners who need freedom"
UKIP donor Demetri Marchessin says that gay people are incapable of fidelity
Iain McLaughlin says it was a tragedy that Section 28 was repealed
UKIP MEP Roger Helmer says it's ok to be homophobic if you're over 70, and that being gay's "abnormal and undesirable"
Julia Gasper says gay people should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act
David Silvester says gay marriage causes floods
Sam Fletcher is "baffled by the acceptance of homosexuality"

Just a few.

Oh and the added fact that all of these people still are in power.

[Crimson Dynamo]

UKIP candiate John Lyndon Sullivan said that "poofters" should be shot
John Kearney said that gay people are "prisoners who need freedom"
UKIP donor Demetri Marchessin says that gay people are incapable of fidelity
Iain McLaughlin says it was a tragedy that Section 28 was repealed
UKIP MEP Roger Helmer says it's ok to be homophobic if you're over 70, and that being gay's "abnormal and undesirable"
Julia Gasper says gay people should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act
David Silvester says gay marriage causes floods
Sam Fletcher is "baffled by the acceptance of homosexuality"

Just a few.

Thats great but where is this in the manifesto?

Every large party has eejits if u care to look

[Rob!]

Thats great but where is this in the manifesto?

Every large party has eejits if u care to look

So does this forum apparently. You've just been told twice that LGBT rights aren't mentioned in their manifesto.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So does this forum apparently.

That must be the ones hurling false accusations and failing miserably to back them up?

You could be right

[Rob!]

That must be the ones hurling false accusations and failing miserably to back them up?

You could be right

False accusations? Such as?

[MB.]

If posting a (not even comprehensive) list of some of the homophobic things UKIP candidates have said over the past couple of years isn't proof of anything then god help us all.

[Jake.]

..there ain't no party like an S Club party and if there were, I would vote for them... gettin' down tonight...

:clap1:

[MB.]

(and before anyone points out that UKIP have got a gay MEP - yes, they do. Who's a massive racist (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/14/ukip-mep-compares-snp-minister-humza-yousaf-terrorist-abu-hamza-allegation) and opposes same-sex marriage)

[Rob!]

Oh and I'll just leave this here.

http://i.imgur.com/pSqK70Al.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

False accusations? Such as?

What like homophobic and racist?

said you

but funnily enough you dont seem to have found anything in their stated manifesto that supports that


not like you have read it anyway:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh and I'll just leave this here.

http://i.imgur.com/pSqK70Al.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583636/Ukip-not-oppose-gay-marriage-Farage-reveals-calls-French-style-separate-legal-religious-services.html

and i will leave this from march 2014


:hehe:

[MB.]

Yes, it can't possibly be a homophobic party if it was calling for same sex marriages to be banned as one of its policies just a year ago.

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh and I have noticed that no party has mentioned anything about Gingers or short people


smh

what is the world coming to?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes, it can't possibly be a homophobic party if it was calling for same sex marriages to be banned as one of its policies just a year ago.

that is right, you cant


:clap1:

[MTVN]

Think the thing with Ukip is that their policies themselves aren't actually racist or that prejudiced and I don't think Farage is either. He generally seems the libertarian type who really doesn't give a toss about peoples race, sexuality etc. The problem is that up until very recently they were just part of the irrelevant right wing loony fringe. Look at their manifesto in 2010 and its a load of nonsense, even Farage admits it was 'drivel'. But because that's the sort of party Ukip were for so long they attracted a lot of dodgy characters and they weren't too bothered about how questionable their supporters were because nobody cared about Ukip at that stage. But now that means the ones who are highest up in the party are those who naturally have been there the longest and were attracted to the Ukip of pre-2010, and they're a big embarrassment to Farage. It's why for all the talk about Ukip being 'anti-establishment' and 'something different' they've had to moderate themselves massively and move closer to the political centre in order to have any legitimacy.

[billy123]

when will Britain First?When hell freezes over.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Think the thing with Ukip is that their policies themselves aren't actually racist or that prejudiced and I don't think Farage is either. He generally seems the libertarian type who really doesn't give a toss about peoples race, sexuality etc. The problem is that up until very recently they were just part of the irrelevant right wing loony fringe. Look at their manifesto in 2010 and its a load of nonsense, even Farage admits it was 'drivel'. But because that's the sort of party Ukip were for so long they attracted a lot of dodgy characters and they weren't too bothered about how questionable their supporters were because nobody cared about Ukip at that stage. But now that means the ones who are highest up in the party are those who naturally have been there the longest and were attracted to the Ukip of pre-2010, and they're a big embarrassment to Farage. It's why for all the talk about Ukip being 'anti-establishment' and 'something different' they've had to moderate themselves massively and move closer to the political centre in order to have any legitimacy.

also a lot of Ukip supporters grew up with things like homosexuality being a criminal offence.

[Kizzy]

Yes they've had to knock their corners off to fit in with the mainstream... That's not to say that they don't have those principles still at their core. Look at the type of people drawn to UKIP, the 'every man is an island' middle englander, essex man and far right thug.
Everything they stand for is regressive, 'let's go back' how many times have we heard this phrase from Farage?

Liberty – People living their lives as they choose with government off their backs;

Democracy – elected representatives work for the People, not the party and promotion;

Justice – fairness, social justice, rule of our laws, upholding the People’s rights;

Prosperity – through free enterprise together with prudent and honest government.

http://ukipdaily.com/a-nukip-beginning/

Meaning? Privatise everything, and get rid of any regulators that might spot exploitation and bad practice.
Yes UKIP want you to live your life as you choose... unless you're gay and want to get married and have a family, then it's a no.

[Kizzy]

also a lot of Ukip supporters grew up with things like homosexuality being a criminal offence.

As did supporters of all parties, this is an excuse, Rozanne Duncan attempted the same.. It didn't wash either.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As did supporters of all parties, this is an excuse, Rozanne Duncan attempted the same.. It didn't wash either.

well at least when we find out all the mps who were part of the Cyril Smith (labour, liberal) paedo debacle they will all be from the 3 main parties and none from ukip

:whistle:

[bots]

If any of the other leaders were even half decent communicators, the SNP wouldn't be given a second thought. They truly are an awful party. They bend the rules to try and fix the voting results and they only have 1 agenda, an independent Scotland. Anyone who values the union will not vote for the SNP.

In terms of uk wide party's the tories are ahead by a long way with me, but even they are mediocre at best.

[Rob!]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583636/Ukip-not-oppose-gay-marriage-Farage-reveals-calls-French-style-separate-legal-religious-services.html

and i will leave this from march 2014


:hehe:

A daily mail article defending UKIP. Imagine.

[Kizzy]

well at least when we find out all the mps who were part of the Cyril Smith (labour, liberal) paedo debacle they will all be from the 3 main parties and none from ukip

:whistle:

As strawman arguments go that's a corker :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

As strawman arguments go that's a corker :laugh:

its true. the story will break this year

[Kizzy]

its true. the story will break this year

Is this an attempt at a deflection from your UKIP supporters grew up in a different era statement? ... Noted.

[Daniel.]

Not the ones that are racist, bye at people voting for it

[Rob!]

Not the ones that are racist, bye at people voting for it

No parties are racist, it's not in their manifesto.

[Ninastar]

I don't have a fave. There are parties where I have more beliefs of theirs than others, but I don't really have one. I'm a mixed bag really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is this an attempt at a deflection from your UKIP supporters grew up in a different era statement? ... Noted.

no my statement was a fact, that many ukip supporters are from an older generation than other parties. go look at the demographics.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No parties are racist, it's not in their manifesto.

That is correct but may not be so for BNP or perhaps Britain First but i have looked at neither

[Kizzy]

no my statement was a fact, that many ukip supporters are from an older generation than other parties. go look at the demographics.

All parties have older supporters, is there evidence that UKIP have an inordinate amount of older supporters than any other party?

[MB.]

All parties have older supporters, is there evidence that UKIP have an inordinate amount of older supporters than any other party?

Not sure if they have a greater amount of older voters than other parties but they have the oldest voters (55 years old on average)

[joeysteele]

All parties have older supporters, is there evidence that UKIP have an inordinate amount of older supporters than any other party?

I doubt it Kizzy and they all do have older supporters as you rightly point out.
However I would caution that a little as to the Greens,they do seem to connect more with younger voters.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2015-02-06-UKIP2.JPG

[arista]

I don't have a fave. There are parties where I have more beliefs of theirs than others, but I don't really have one. I'm a mixed bag really.


Spunky

[Kizzy]

Can you cross reference them with the other main parties now please?

[Ninastar]

to say that a political party is racist or homophobic is just plain stupid. you get people with crazy opinions everywhere, that doesn't mean that they all think the same. that's one thing that annoys me about politics, the whole (THE X PART ARE ZIST!!!!!!!!!) bullcrap

[MB.]

to say that a political party is racist or homophobic is just plain stupid. you get people with crazy opinions everywhere, that doesn't mean that they all think the same. that's one thing that annoys me about politics, the whole (THE X PART ARE ZIST!!!!!!!!!) bullcrap

But it says a lot about a party in the sense of who they'd allow to represent them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can you cross reference them with the other main parties now please?

hang on I havent done your washing yet or got things in for your tea


:rolleyes:

[Crimson Dynamo]

But it says a lot about a party in the sense of who they'd allow to represent them.

they dont - the minute anyone comes out with a view of that nature ukip kick them out.

nigel is very quick compared to the other parties

[Withano]

I'm sailing on the SS UKIP

Why? Their support was my secret reason behind this poll, I don't understand how they have fans

[Jack_]

should've been a public poll #exposeem

[Withano]

No parties are racist, it's not in their manifesto.

:joker:

[MB.]

they dont - the minute anyone comes out with a view of that nature ukip kick them out.

nigel is very quick compared to the other parties

Explain that to Roger Helmer, David Coburn and the many others who are still members of UKIP despite the things they've said.

Still, the fact that they kick people out isn't what's important - it's that they allow them reach high positions in their party in the first place.

[billy123]

No parties are racist, it's not in their manifesto.:joker: Home run right there. Rob! 1-0 Trumpy

[Withano]

I don't understand how UKIP supporters aren't seeing the constant stories that I'm seeing which shows their party members as genuinely homophobic and/or racist because it makes literally zero sense for them to have the support that they do.

To me, even agreeing with all of their policies wouldn't be reason enough to vote for genuinely evil people into any type of power. It just screams well written Neo-Nazism to me.

Sorry for asking for opinions and then moaning about them, I just didn't see any reasons that I deemed valid enough in the comment section for anybody to vote for these people! It baffles me.

[billy123]

I don't understand how UKIP supporters aren't seeing the constant stories that I'm seeing which shows their party members as genuinely homophobic and/or racist because it makes literally zero sense for them to have the support that they do.

To me, even agreeing with all of their policies wouldn't be reason enough to vote for genuinely evil people into any type of power. It just screams well written Neo-Nazism to me.

Sorry for asking for opinions and then moaning about them, I just didn't see any reasons that I deemed valid enough in the comment section for anybody to vote for these people! It baffles me.They see it but they agree with it believe it or not. UKIP serve a purpose they are good at exposing racists and homophobes for some reason when it comes to UKIP these types of people feel comfortable enough to finally come out and expose themselves for what they really are.
The BNP and EDL were a bit too scary for anybody to support openly as are Britain First but UKIP do just enough to hide what they really stand for and as crazy as it is to most people the same people that secretly supported them feel relaxed enough to openly support UKIP.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Explain that to Roger Helmer, David Coburn and the many others who are still members of UKIP despite the things they've said.

Still, the fact that they kick people out isn't what's important - it's that they allow them reach high positions in their party in the first place.
why what do you think they have said that should get them the sack

or at least what does google tell you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

They see it but they agree with it believe it or not. UKIP serve a purpose they are good at exposing racists and homophobes for some reason when it comes to UKIP these types of people feel comfortable enough to finally come out and expose themselves for what they really are.

"they see it but they agree with it believe it or not"

are you some sort of supernatural mind reader?

lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't understand how UKIP supporters aren't seeing the constant stories that I'm seeing which shows their party members as genuinely homophobic and/or racist because it makes literally zero sense for them to have the support that they do.

To me, even agreeing with all of their policies wouldn't be reason enough to vote for genuinely evil people into any type of power. It just screams well written Neo-Nazism to me.

Sorry for asking for opinions and then moaning about them, I just didn't see any reasons that I deemed valid enough in the comment section for anybody to vote for these people! It baffles me.

It just screams well written Neo-Nazism to me.


jesus h christ

this thread is getting better and better


:joker:

[Kizzy]

hang on I havent done your washing yet or got things in for your tea


:rolleyes:

Made a statement you can't back up with fact? Noted.

[Rob!]

why what do you think they have said that should get them the sack

or at least what does google tell you?

Are you actually serious? The list of well publicised quotes that MB posted further back in the thread for a start that was in answer to your demand for proof that UKIP was homophobic? Or do you agree that gay marriage causes floods and that gay people have mental health problems?

[Kizzy]

why what do you think they have said that should get them the sack

or at least what does google tell you?

Google tells you what they said, what is the issue with the sources on google now?

[MB.]

I wonder if there's anything in UKIP's manifesto against Google.

[Rob!]

I wonder if there's anything in UKIP's manifesto against Google.

No, which probably means it's not against it :hehe:

[Rob!]

They see it but they agree with it believe it or not. UKIP serve a purpose they are good at exposing racists and homophobes for some reason when it comes to UKIP these types of people feel comfortable enough to finally come out and expose themselves for what they really are.
The BNP and EDL were a bit too scary for anybody to support openly as are Britain First but UKIP do just enough to hide what they really stand for and as crazy as it is to most people the same people that secretly supported them feel relaxed enough to openly support UKIP.

Exactly - they feel justified because there's a party that agrees with them.

[arista]

It just screams well written Neo-Nazism to me.


jesus h christ

this thread is getting better and better


:joker:


Yes Come Back to TIBB

[billy123]

"they see it but they agree with it believe it or not"

are you some sort of supernatural mind reader?

lolLast time i checked the thread wasnt about me or what i am. Stick to the topic.
Is personal attacks really all you have left? Pffft.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Made a statement you can't back up with fact? Noted.

no kizzy, i cant be bothered to do your homework. fact

[Crimson Dynamo]

Last time i checked the thread wasnt about me or what i am. Stick to the topic.
Is personal attacks really all you have left? Pffft.

then do not pretend to know the minds of thousands of people if you wish to be taken seriously in this section

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder if there's anything in UKIP's manifesto against Google.

well as it seems no one here has even bothered to glimpse at it based on all the posts

you will never know

:hehe:

[billy123]

then do not pretend to know the minds of thousands of people if you wish to be taken seriously in this sectionBeing credible in the eyes of UKIP supporters isn't exactly high on my list of priority's if im to be honest.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are you actually serious? The list of well publicised quotes that MB posted further back in the thread for a start that was in answer to your demand for proof that UKIP was homophobic? Or do you agree that gay marriage causes floods and that gay people have mental health problems?

they are just comments from people, you cannot control people nor can you police them 24 hours a day

Ukip is a party with policy and manifesto. That is what they are and if certain members cannot comply they get sacked.


All parties have idiots. Some have paedophiles, some have criminals like labour and conservative.

[Kizzy]

no kizzy, i cant be bothered to do your homework. fact

My homework? I don't need to prove you're wrong I know. All parties have older members... Fact.
The age of members is no excuse for bigotry.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Being credible in the eyes of UKIP supporters isn't exactly high on my list of priority's if im to be honest.

Luckily most people on here do not judge people on what party they happen to like or dislike

[Rob!]

Oh and the UKIP manifesto is possibly one of the most obviously racist things I have ever seen. Giving businesses the right to only employ British people or to put British people first? In what way is that not racist?

[Crimson Dynamo]

My homework? I don't need to prove you're wrong I know. All parties have older members... Fact.
The age of members is no excuse for bigotry.


and i dont need to prove it to you, by your logic


ta

[Kizzy]

Luckily most people on here do not judge people on what party they happen to like or dislike

No that's true, yet on the views on certain subjects I've noticed a slight correlation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh and the UKIP manifesto is possibly one of the most obviously racist things I have ever seen. Giving businesses the right to only employ British people or to put British people first? In what way is that not racist?

I guess you would have to take out that policy from the manifesto and prove it was racist rob.

so feel free

[Rob!]

Luckily most people on here do not judge people on what party they happen to like or dislike

Most people on here don't particularly wish for "illegals" to be hit by a missile but there we are.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No that's true, yet on the views on certain subjects I've noticed a slight correlation.

you are too hard on yourself

[lily.]

Conservatives for me, because they are actually trying to stop the benefit scroungers who are currently better off than working people.

[kirklancaster]

Yes they've had to knock their corners off to fit in with the mainstream... That's not to say that they don't have those principles still at their core. Look at the type of people drawn to UKIP

:joker::joker::joker: Yeah; YOU look at the type of people drawn to UKIP - a relatively New party who have time to wheedle out any 'supposed' 'racists' or 'homophobes' - and I'll look at just a few of THE MANY, MANY CROOKS and SCUMBAGS which have INFESTED the LABOUR PARTY from the year DOT:

STOP PRESS:

LABOUR HOME SECRETARY JACQUI SMITH FIDDLES £116,000 in FRAUDULENT EXPENSES CLAIM (Not to mention hubby's PORN FILM CLAIMS).

LABOUR MP SHAID MALIK FORCED TO REPAY EXPENSES FRAUDENTLY CLAIMED FOR COUNCIL TAX, NEW TV & NEW CHAIR. (Not to mention previously surviving a Parliamentary sleaze inquiry into his claims and a second probe into whether he breached the ministerial code by benefiting from a preferential rent. )

LABOUR EMPLOYMENT MINISTER TONY McNULTY FORCED TO RESIGN AFTER POCKETING £60,000 CLAIMS ON HIS PARENT'S HOME.

LABOUR MP ANN KEEN AND HUSBAND ALAN KEEN INVESTIGATED BY PARLIAMENTARY COMMISSIONER FOR STANDARDS AFTER FRAUDENTLY COMBINING SECOND HOME ALLOWANCES AND CLAIMING £175,000 TO BUY SWANKY PAD IN UPMARKET WATERLOO. ORDERED TO REPAY JUST £1,500.

LABOUR MP HELEN BLEARS FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER CAPITAL GAINS TAX FIDDLE. SHE WAS ORDERED TO REPAY £13,332.00.

LABOUR MINISTER PHIL HOPE FORCED TO REPAY £41,709 OF TAXPAYERS MONEY WHICH HE FIDDLED IN A SERIES OF CLAIMS FOR POSH FURNITURE AT THE SMALL LONDON FLAT HE CLAIMED AS HIS SECOND HOME. (Those who inspected his expenses claims believed it would not even be possible for him to fit all the furniture into the flat.)

LABOUR MP MARGARET MORAN FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER FRAUDULENTLY CLAIMING MORE THAN £20,000 OF TAXPAYER'S MONEY FOR THE TREATMENT OF DRY ROT AT HER PARTNER'S HOME.

And I thought LABOUR were THE party for the working classes NOT THE party who consistently rip off those hard pressed worker's TAX payments.

And I haven't STARTED on the TORY sleazebags yet.

Yeah .... It's more logical to support two parties who have each had many chances in government but have done nothing except 'U turns and break promises, and who have ALWAYS been riddled with corruption and sleaze, than it is to give a party a chance who has the strongest manifesto, no history of sleaze, and a thoroughly honest and decent leader -- all because of propaganda driven fears of what might or might not happen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker::joker::joker: Yeah; YOU look at the type of people drawn to UKIP - a relatively New party who have time to wheedle out any 'supposed' 'racists' or 'homophobes' - and I'll look at just a few of THE MANY, MANY CROOKS and SCUMBAGS which have INFESTED the LABOUR PARTY from the year DOT:

STOP PRESS:

LABOUR HOME SECRETARY JACQUI SMITH FIDDLES £116,000 in FRAUDULENT EXPENSES CLAIM (Not to mention hubby's PORN FILM CLAIMS).

LABOUR MP SHAID MALIK FORCED TO REPAY EXPENSES FRAUDENTLY CLAIMED FOR COUNCIL TAX, NEW TV & NEW CHAIR. (Not to mention previously surviving a Parliamentary sleaze inquiry into his claims and a second probe into whether he breached the ministerial code by benefiting from a preferential rent. )

LABOUR EMPLOYMENT MINISTER TONY McNULTY FORCED TO RESIGN AFTER POCKETING £60,000 CLAIMS ON HIS PARENT'S HOME.

LABOUR MP ANN KEEN AND HUSBAND ALAN KEEN INVESTIGATED BY PARLIAMENTARY COMMISSIONER FOR STANDARDS AFTER FRAUDENTLY COMBINING SECOND HOME ALLOWANCES AND CLAIMING £175,000 TO BUY SWANKY PAD IN UPMARKET WATERLOO. ORDERED TO REPAY JUST £1,500.

LABOUR MP HELEN BLEARS FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER CAPITAL GAINS TAX FIDDLE. SHE WAS ORDERED TO REPAY £13,332.00.

LABOUR MINISTER PHIL HOPE FORCED TO REPAY £41,709 OF TAXPAYERS MONEY WHICH HE FIDDLED IN A SERIES OF CLAIMS FOR POSH FURNITURE AT THE SMALL LONDON FLAT HE CLAIMED AS HIS SECOND HOME. (Those who inspected his expenses claims believed it would not even be possible for him to fit all the furniture into the flat.)

LABOUR MP MARGARET MORAN FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER FRAUDULENTLY CLAIMING MORE THAN £20,000 OF TAXPAYER'S MONEY FOR THE TREATMENT OF DRY ROT AT HER PARTNER'S HOME.

And I thought LABOUR were THE party for the working classes NOT THE party who consistently rip off those hard pressed worker's TAX payments.

And I haven't STARTED on the TORY sleazebags yet.

Yeah .... It's more logical to support two parties who have each had many chances in government but have done nothing except 'U turns and break promises, and who have ALWAYS been riddled with corruption and sleaze, than it is to give a party a chance who has the strongest manifesto, no history of sleaze, and a thoroughly honest and decent leader -- all because of propaganda driven fears of what might or might not happen.

:clap1:

people on here have short memories:joker:

[lily.]

So you believe that homosexuality is a special interest group? Like caravanners?

Only in Devon lol

[Rob!]

lol

where?

show me one

Again?


UKIP is homophobic. Not only have far too many members of the party for them to be credible been recorded as saying the list that was posted further back in the thread, these people have also been allowed to keep their jobs. Despite the fact that "Nigel" has apparently said that he doesn't tolerate it. They also are the only party running for government that makes no mention whatsoever of LGBT rights and when questioned about this claims that gay people fall into the "special interest" category.

UKIP is racist. Sorry to say, but you're statement about "illegals" earlier followed by your adoration for them is enough to prove that to me. Plus, their manifesto is littered with so much passive racism like "British people being given priority over employment," that I can't believe that I'm having to explain it so many times.

Can you prove to me that their not either of the things that I am accusing them of?

[lily.]

UKIP is basically just a new name for the National Front. Remember them?

[Kizzy]

:joker::joker::joker: Yeah; YOU look at the type of people drawn to UKIP - a relatively New party who have time to wheedle out any 'supposed' 'racists' or 'homophobes' - and I'll look at just a few of THE MANY, MANY CROOKS and SCUMBAGS which have INFESTED the LABOUR PARTY from the year DOT:

STOP PRESS:

LABOUR HOME SECRETARY JACQUI SMITH FIDDLES £116,000 in FRAUDULENT EXPENSES CLAIM (Not to mention hubby's PORN FILM CLAIMS).

LABOUR MP SHAID MALIK FORCED TO REPAY EXPENSES FRAUDENTLY CLAIMED FOR COUNCIL TAX, NEW TV & NEW CHAIR. (Not to mention previously surviving a Parliamentary sleaze inquiry into his claims and a second probe into whether he breached the ministerial code by benefiting from a preferential rent. )

LABOUR EMPLOYMENT MINISTER TONY McNULTY FORCED TO RESIGN AFTER POCKETING £60,000 CLAIMS ON HIS PARENT'S HOME.

LABOUR MP ANN KEEN AND HUSBAND ALAN KEEN INVESTIGATED BY PARLIAMENTARY COMMISSIONER FOR STANDARDS AFTER FRAUDENTLY COMBINING SECOND HOME ALLOWANCES AND CLAIMING £175,000 TO BUY SWANKY PAD IN UPMARKET WATERLOO. ORDERED TO REPAY JUST £1,500.

LABOUR MP HELEN BLEARS FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER CAPITAL GAINS TAX FIDDLE. SHE WAS ORDERED TO REPAY £13,332.00.

LABOUR MINISTER PHIL HOPE FORCED TO REPAY £41,709 OF TAXPAYERS MONEY WHICH HE FIDDLED IN A SERIES OF CLAIMS FOR POSH FURNITURE AT THE SMALL LONDON FLAT HE CLAIMED AS HIS SECOND HOME. (Those who inspected his expenses claims believed it would not even be possible for him to fit all the furniture into the flat.)

LABOUR MP MARGARET MORAN FORCED TO STAND DOWN AFTER FRAUDULENTLY CLAIMING MORE THAN £20,000 OF TAXPAYER'S MONEY FOR THE TREATMENT OF DRY ROT AT HER PARTNER'S HOME.

And I thought LABOUR were THE party for the working classes NOT THE party who consistently rip off those hard pressed worker's TAX payments.

And I haven't STARTED on the TORY sleazebags yet.

Yeah .... It's more logical to support two parties who have each had many chances in government but have done nothing except 'U turns and break promises, and who have ALWAYS been riddled with corruption and sleaze, than it is to give a party a chance who has the strongest manifesto, no history of sleaze, and a thoroughly honest and decent leader -- all because of propaganda driven fears of what might or might not happen.

Irrelevant, and to be honest as a young party the prevalence of instances where members misdemeanors seem to be a damning indictment of their core values.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Again?


UKIP is homophobic. Not only have far too many members of the party for them to be credible been recorded as saying the list that was posted further back in the thread, these people have also been allowed to keep their jobs. Despite the fact that "Nigel" has apparently said that he doesn't tolerate it. They also are the only party running for government that makes no mention whatsoever of LGBT rights and when questioned about this claims that gay people fall into the "special interest" category.

UKIP is racist. Sorry to say, but you're statement about "illegals" earlier followed by your adoration for them is enough to prove that to me. Plus, their manifesto is littered with so much passive racism like "British people being given priority over employment," that I can't believe that I'm having to explain it so many times.

Can you prove to me that their not either of the things that I am accusing them of?

I do not have to prove a negative. There is nothing in the manifesto that is racist, it has been scrutinised by the worlds media since launch as well as the other parties, universities and think tanks.

No one has found any racism so if you have it would be nothing short of a miracle

[Crimson Dynamo]

UKIP is basically just a new name for the National Front. Remember them?

no lily it is not as well you know

[Rob!]

I do not have to prove a negative. There is nothing in the manifesto that is racist, it has been scrutinised by the worlds media since launch as well as the other parties, universities and think tanks.

No one has found any racism so if you have it would be nothing short of a miracle

And yet I have to tell you again and again why I and so many other people think they are?

Ok.

[kirklancaster]

Irrelevant, and to be honest as a young party the prevalence of instances where members misdemeanors seem to be a damning indictment of their core values.

:joker::joker::joker: It would be irrelevant. LMAO.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And yet I have to tell you again and again why I and so many other people think they are?

Ok.

you think what you like but its not based on evidence in policy or what the party stands for and is built on

[lily.]

no lily it is not as well you know

Are you suggesting I'm baiting? :shocked:

[Kizzy]

:joker::joker::joker: It would be irrelevant. LMAO.

Yes it is, people are not drawn to labour or conservatives due to their views on fiddling tax are they? :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are you suggesting I'm baiting? :shocked:

well the statement is patently untrue and totally unfounded.

:shrug:

[billy123]

Conservatives for me, because they are actually trying to stop the benefit scroungers who are currently better off than working people.Do you really believe that there are many people on benefits that are scroungers? is that what a newspaper told you? Do the rich tax dodgers that steal billions upon billions more from our economy that dwarves what "benefit dodgers" take not worry you more?

[lily.]

well the statement is patently untrue and totally unfounded.

:shrug:

Pull that trigger
Shoot that ******
Join the National Front.

There ain't no black
In the Union Jack
Join the National Front.

[lily.]

Do you really believe that there are many people on benefits that are scroungers? is that what a newspaper told you? Do the rich tax dodgers that steal billions upon billions more from our economy that dwarves what "benefit dodgers" take not worry you more?


It has nothing to do with newspapers. It has to do with the people in the area where I live. I see it every day. I know they are dodging work. I know they aren't disabled. They freely admit it. Yet they get a free car, and a ****load of benefits.

I don't live in a particularly nice area.

[billy123]

Pull that trigger
Shoot that ******
Join the National Front.

There ain't no black
In the Union Jack
Join the National Front.
:joker: Trumpy sings that to himself every night at bedtime.

[kirklancaster]

Are you suggesting I'm baiting? :shocked:

:joker::joker: Naughty, Naughty Lily. :laugh:

[lily.]

Moi? A good conservative voter like myself... how very dare you. lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Pull that trigger
Shoot that ******
Join the National Front.

There ain't no black
In the Union Jack
Join the National Front.


you should take down these posters lily :nono:

what would the neighbours say?

[lily.]

No doubt they will be taken down for me. (the posts that is)... As for the posters.. they cover up the bullet holes in my walls.

[billy123]

It has nothing to do with newspapers. It has to do with the people in the area where I live. I see it every day. I know they are dodging work. I know they aren't disabled. They freely admit it. Yet they get a free car, and a ****load of benefits.

I don't live in a particularly nice area.There are areas that look like that so fair enough but the tax dodging rich cost you a lot more and the conservatives do nothing but encourage that to help their rich mates (donators) out.

[Kazanne]

Conservatives for me, because they are actually trying to stop the benefit scroungers who are currently better off than working people.

:clap1::clap1:and not before time Lily.

[joeysteele]

There are areas that look like that so fair enough but the tax dodging rich cost you a lot more and the conservatives do nothing but encourage that to help their rich mates (donators) out.

Well said and spot on,the Conservatives will never really do much against tax dodging rich,they never have and never will.

They will however waste loads of funding and set out with gusto to find the tiny minority of benefit cheats who do exist,I concede that..

Causing massive distress and making the health worse of those who are claiming all correctly, who then get subjected to really intrusive questioning and undignified testing as to same..

Those who blindly support the Conservatives have no thoughts at all as to what those vulnerable individuals get put through, to in effect save a pittance, whereas as you say tax dodgers and evaders 'rob' the treasury of billions with next to nothing done.
Nor was it done by Labour either to be fair over their time in govt;
Hopefully it will be this time.

It is odd how this govt; never makes any major effort to see that people get all the benefits they should be claiming,that they know some should have since it is said there are unclaimed benefits every year that could be.

[Withano]

The BNP and EDL were a bit too scary for anybody to support openly as are Britain First but UKIP do just enough to hide what they really stand for and as crazy as it is to most people the same people that secretly supported them feel relaxed enough to openly support UKIP.

Yeah, I agree. I'd put all 4 groups in the same family. UKIP is just the smarter child.

[Withano]

It just screams well written Neo-Nazism to me.


jesus h christ

this thread is getting better and better


:joker:

I went through the trouble of defining neo-nazism for you
Whether you like it or not, UKIP have hired and payed many workers who fit directly under the definition:

Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antisemitism

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lol at the Tories and UKIP winning the poll

[kirklancaster]

Well said and spot on,the Conservatives will never really do much against tax dodging rich,they never have and never will.

They will however waste loads of funding and set out with gusto to find the tiny minority of benefit cheats who do exist.

Causing massive distress and making the health worse of those who are claiming all correctly, who then get subjected to really intrusive questioning and undignified testing as to same..

Those who blindly support the Conservatives have no thoughts at all as to what those vulnerable individuals get put through, to in effect save a pittance, whereas as you say tax dodgers and evaders 'rob' the treasury of billions with next to nothing done.
Nor was it done by Labour either over their time in govt;
Hopefully it will be this time.

It is odd how this govt; never makes any major effort to see that people get all the benefits they should be claiming,that they know some should have since it is said there are unclaimed benefits every year that could be.

It is a fact that there are Benefit fraudsters and Tax Dodgers in this country and BOTH need stamping out, And while I agree with you Joey that the Benefit Cheats are 'small fry' in comparison - both Tory and Labour governments will spend greater REAL effort in clamping down on Benefit Cheats because a lot of the Government, their family, friends and 'Business' associates are tax evaders themselves.

Analysis of just how many 'Public Serving' ex-Politicians (of both parties) are now firmly and very lucratively ensconced on the Board of Directors of the Huge Corporations which they promoted or dealt with whilst in Parliament, will astound you and fill 20 odd pages on here.

Does anyone really believe that these self-servers (of both parties) are going to hunt down the very 'tax evading' Business people which they are 'relying on ' for well paid directorships once their political life is over?

More analysis of which ex-politician awarded just what MASSIVE lucrative Government contracts to companies which they now work for , will fill another 10 pages.

It is ALL a GAME.

A corrupt, centuries old game played by those who serve - not the public (cannon fodder) but those who draw up the rules, create the laws and run this country and every other.

The best we can hope for is that one particular political party ACTUALLY does some good whilst they are 'seeing to themselves'.

You just happen to have faith that Labour is THAT party, Kaz has faith it is the Tories, and I - who have lost faith in BOTH - believe it is Farage.

I respect you Joey and admire your passion and selflessness, and believe me or not, I WAS once like you, but age has replaced my passion with cynicism.

[Crimson Dynamo]

with age and responsibility comes reality and as such idealism diminishes

[Shaun]

Lol at the Tories and UKIP winning the poll

the knitting club strikes again!!!!!!

i am just joking idek what the knitting club is or who's in it

[kirklancaster]

Lol at the Tories and UKIP winning the poll

Yes, 6 votes for UKIP, but just as in the real world there are only 3 of us who choose to stand up and be counted. People are just afraid - because of all the B.S. propaganda - to admit that they IDENTIFY and AGREE with what Farage says but their vote -- like this one -- is in confidence, which is why I feel that UKIP may do a lot better come election day than people think.

[kirklancaster]

with age and responsibility comes reality and as such idealism diminishes

:clap1: Very true LT, very true.

[lily.]

That is true kirk. When the Yes/No vote was happening up here last year I told very few people of my intention to vote 'no'. Because I knew the backlash would be tedious.

The same goes with who people are voting. The polls will never be accurate because people do not wish to disclose their real views.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That is true kirk. When the Yes/No vote was happening up here last year I told very few people of my intention to vote 'no'. Because I knew the backlash would be tedious.

The same goes with who people are voting. The polls will never be accurate because people do not wish to disclose their real views.


Yes that is why I never divulge my political leanings and try to stay neutral on Tibb. That way people cannot pigeon hole or judge me

:nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

the knitting club strikes again!!!!!!

i am just joking idek what the knitting club is or who's in it

is that a covert member application?

:suspect:

[kirklancaster]

the knitting club strikes again!!!!!!

i am just joking idek what the knitting club is or who's in it

:joker: At least you refrained from putting; 'The Nitwits in the Club' :laugh:

[AnnieK]

That is true kirk. When the Yes/No vote was happening up here last year I told very few people of my intention to vote 'no'. Because I knew the backlash would be tedious.

The same goes with who people are voting. The polls will never be accurate because people do not wish to disclose their real views.

My parents never discussed their political views with their friends and as such I never have really either. I actually don't know who they voted for even now. As with these threads people who were amicable and friends before become divided. As with religion I rarely tell people my views or get too involved with discussions because I feel they are totally personal and when it could affect friendships I really don't bother.

[kirklancaster]

My parents never discussed their political views with their friends and as such I never have really either. I actually don't know who they voted for even now. As with these threads people who were amicable and friends before become divided. As with religion I rarely tell people my views or get too involved with discussions because I feel they are totally personal and when it could affect friendships I really don't bother.

As the Great Arista would say Annie - 'You are most wise'.

[Ninastar]

My parents never discussed their political views with their friends and as such I never have really either. I actually don't know who they voted for even now. As with these threads people who were amicable and friends before become divided. As with religion I rarely tell people my views or get too involved with discussions because I feel they are totally personal and when it could affect friendships I really don't bother.

What I find funny is the that people that give you the most hate for your views, tend to be the people who shout 'we must love everyone for who they are!!!!!'

[joeysteele]

It is a fact that there are Benefit fraudsters and Tax Dodgers in this country and BOTH need stamping out, And while I agree with you Joey that the Benefit Cheats are 'small fry' in comparison - both Tory and Labour governments will spend greater REAL effort in clamping down on Benefit Cheats because a lot of the Government, their family, friends and 'Business' associates are tax evaders themselves.

Analysis of just how many 'Public Serving' ex-Politicians (of both parties) are now firmly and very lucratively ensconced on the Board of Directors of the Huge Corporations which they promoted or dealt with whilst in Parliament, will astound you and fill 20 odd pages on here.

Does anyone really believe that these self-servers (of both parties) are going to hunt down the very 'tax evading' Business people which they are 'relying on ' for well paid directorships once their political life is over?

More analysis of which ex-politician awarded just what MASSIVE lucrative Government contracts to companies which they now work for , will fill another 10 pages.

It is ALL a GAME.

A corrupt, centuries old game played by those who serve - not the public (cannon fodder) but those who draw up the rules, create the laws and run this country and every other.

The best we can hope for is that one particular political party ACTUALLY does some good whilst they are 'seeing to themselves'.

You just happen to have faith that Labour is THAT party, Kaz has faith it is the Tories, and I - who have lost faith in BOTH - believe it is Farage.

I respect you Joey and admire your passion and selflessness, and believe me or not, I WAS once like you, but age has replaced my passion with cynicism.


That is a really good post again Kirk, however I have to add and disagree with one small part.
Age has 'nothing' at all to do with anything as to how I think now.
It is practical experience from what I have seen personally as to others distress and things I have dealt with in helping same that has turned my views 100% from the Conservatives.

I don't judge others,and never will, from sitting in an ivory tower, I get out there and see what is going wrong before I make general judgements as to any sections of society.
If I was 18 or 80, the change would have come from all I have seen and witnessed and helped deal with as to this rotten heartless govt:

I don't even believe at all that Labour or the SNP have all the answers needed.
As to the vulnerable however,what they will have as to their policies, will be far more heart and compassion included as to them,which are 2 things that will never ever come from this present govt:

[Northern Monkey]

Well i voted UKIP so feck you all:evilgrin:

[kirklancaster]

Well i voted UKIP so feck you all:evilgrin:

:joker: I included you in. :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Never knew this site was so right wing tbh, you would think it was round about even from peoples posts.

[Nick.]

Green party. :flutter:

[Crimson Dynamo]

What I find funny is the that people that give you the most hate for your views, tend to be the people who shout 'we must love everyone for who they are!!!!!'

Its always the way

If you think you are both right AND righteous then you can spill all the bile

Witness this thread

[Ninastar]

Its always the way

If you think you are both right AND righteous then you can spill all the bile

Witness this thread

Sadly it's true... It's a shame really.

[Cherie]

Its always the way

If you think you are both right AND righteous then you can spill all the bile

Witness this thread

:unsure:

[Cherie]

Looking at the poll is why you folks who say your vote will make no difference could make all the difference :nono:

[user104658]

Never knew this site was so right wing tbh, you would think it was round about even from peoples posts.

It is really. As I'm writing this, Labour / SNP / Greens total 13 votes and Tories / UKIP total 14, which makes it near enough evenly split in my book.

There are also two votes for the Lib Dems but in all honestly, who knows where the **** to place those these days :shrug:. I don't think even the Lib Dems know...

[MTVN]

People who vote Conservative/Ukip tend to be more discreet about it I think because it can easily lead you to being shouted down or open you to accusations of prejudice or just being a horrible bastard who hates the poor/foreigners/gays/etc. There can be quite a lot of hyperbole around that - I mean, to associate Ukip with neo-nazism is just nonsense. On the other hand I completely understand why a lot of people don't like the Tories and Ukip. I voted Tory on the poll because I think I'm a conservative more than anything else though that wouldn't mean I agree with everything the party does or says. I actually think the Conservative party has lost its way a bit; Cameron has had to go back on quite a lot the modernising principles he used to espouse and its now a much more fractured party than Labour are. I also have a lot of respect for the Lib Dems and think they have done a good job at moderating the Conservatives and giving them some policies that actually make them look like the modern, one nation party that they claim to be.

It's not something that's set in stone for me though, I can easily see myself voting Labour in the future, dependent on circumstances. I really don't like tribal loyalties to political parties and feel it only ever works as a distraction. Politics in general can be far too tribal and heated when it doesn't need to be. It's sad that people often don't feel willing to reveal their political leanings because of potential backlash, or because it might lead to fallings out.

[bots]

"David Silvester says gay marriage causes floods"

:laugh2:

[Ninastar]

People who vote Conservative/Ukip tend to be more discreet about it I think because it can easily lead you to being shouted down or open you to accusations of prejudice or just being a horrible bastard who hates the poor/foreigners/gays/etc. There can be quite a lot of hyperbole around that - I mean, to associate Ukip with neo-nazism is just nonsense. On the other hand I completely understand why a lot of people don't like the Tories and Ukip. I voted Tory on the poll because I think I'm a conservative more than anything else though that wouldn't mean I agree with everything the party does or says. I actually think the Conservative party has lost its way a bit; Cameron has had to go back on quite a lot the modernising principles he used to espouse and its now a much more fractured party than Labour are. I also have a lot of respect for the Lib Dems and think they have done a good job at moderating the Conservatives and giving them some policies that actually make them look like the modern, one nation party that they claim to be.

It's not something that's set in stone for me though, I can easily see myself voting Labour in the future, dependent on circumstances. I really don't like tribal loyalties to political parties and feel it only ever works as a distraction. Politics in general can be far too tribal and heated when it doesn't need to be. It's sad that people often don't feel willing to reveal their political leanings because of potential backlash, or because it might lead to fallings out.

Very well said!

[JoshBB]

Greens, because I don't hate immigrants and I believe in a fair society. :)

[Mystic Mock]

It depends on which negatives you can handle more.

Tories - Attacks the working class, the NHS, and the disabled, and privitise everything.

Labour - Extreme Islamic lovers, privitising the NHS, and bad Economic management.

Green - Looney left.

UKIP - Looney right that wants Store Policies to go back to the Medieval Times, and would have us have no allies if we pulled out of Europe and we would lose loads of money because of it as all the big businesses would pull out.

SNP - They don't benefit me because I live in England.

Plaid - The same as the SNP.

Lib Dems - They don't even have policies.

And none of the other parties have any chance of getting elected.

So what a choice for us the public to choose from, the lesser of evils.

[Phillip!]

Labour

[Mystic Mock]

Never knew this site was so right wing tbh, you would think it was round about even from peoples posts.

Tbf I think that a lot of the left wing posters haven't voted on the poll as they hang around the Chat & Games section too much.:joker:

[JoshBB]

It depends on which negatives you can handle more.

Tories - Attacks the working class, the NHS, and the disabled, and privitise everything.

Labour - Extreme Islamic lovers, privitising the NHS, and bad Economic management.

Green - Looney left.

UKIP - Looney right that wants Store Policies to go back to the Medieval Times, and would have us have no allies if we pulled out of Europe and we would lose loads of money because of it as all the big businesses would pull out.

SNP - They don't benefit me because I live in England.

Plaid - The same as the SNP.

Lib Dems - They don't even have policies.

And none of the other parties have any chance of getting elected.

So what a choice for us the public to choose from, the lesser of evils.

Something tells me you don't follow politics very much. The fact that you dismiss parties with petty insults proves that you have nothing to say against them. Labour - islamic extremist lovers?? Theyre a lot of things I don't like but you cannot claim that.

[Mystic Mock]

Something tells me you don't follow politics very much. The fact that you dismiss parties with petty insults proves that you have nothing to say against them. Labour - islamic extremist lovers?? Theyre a lot of things I don't like but you cannot claim that.

Not extremist, extreme Islamic lovers, there is a difference.

And the Green Party want to give us everything for free, but where would they get the money from?

And can I vote for the SNP and Plaid to represent England? Because the last time I checked I couldn't.

And show me a policy that the Lib Dems have stuck too?

I think that my post made perfect sense tbh.

[JoshBB]

Not extremist, extreme Islamic lovers, there is a difference.

And the Green Party want to give us everything for free, but where would they get the money from?

And can I vote for the SNP and Plaid to represent England? Because the last time I checked I couldn't.

And show me a policy that the Lib Dems have stuck too?

I think that my post made perfect sense tbh.

Well they have policies. Whether they stick to them is another thing lmao (because we all know they didnt last time)

Now as for the greens, nothing is underfunded. That is scaremongering from the establishment. You cannot vote for SNP or plaid but that doesn't mean they wont affect you.

Labour also doesn't love extreme islamic lovers so please source that.

[Mystic Mock]

Fair enough on your other points.

But you keep misunderstanding the Labour part, they themselves are extreme Islamic lovers, that's the group that they support on everything and allow them more leniency than any other group in the UK.

[JoshBB]

Fair enough on your other points.

But you keep misunderstanding the Labour part, they themselves are extreme Islamic lovers, that's the group that they support on everything and allow them more leniency than any other group in the UK.

Source, please.

[Mystic Mock]

Source, please.

There's no source to prove it.:laugh:

I lived in Birmingham during Labour's terms and lets just say that for some reason the Muslim children got away with much more naughtier behaviour than me or anybody else was getting away with, and I know that the Tories have this in place too, but I've always thought that it was unfair that the Muslim children got to take time off for Eid and Christmas.

[JoshBB]

There's no source to prove it.:laugh:

I lived in Birmingham during Labour's terms and lets just say that for some reason the Muslim children got away with much more naughtier behaviour than me or anybody else was getting away with, and I know that the Tories have this in place too, but I've always thought that it was unfair that the Muslim children got to take time off for Eid and Christmas.

Participating in Eid makes you an extreme muslim?

You are NOT ready to learn about ISIS. :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Participating in Eid makes you an extreme muslim?

You are NOT ready to learn about ISIS. :laugh:

No it doesn't.:joker:

But allowing them to have two Festive Holidays where they can take time off whilst everybody else only really has the one is very unfair imo.

And what's ISIS?:hehe:

[joeysteele]

There's no source to prove it.:laugh:

I lived in Birmingham during Labour's terms and lets just say that for some reason the Muslim children got away with much more naughtier behaviour than me or anybody else was getting away with, and I know that the Tories have this in place too, but I've always thought that it was unfair that the Muslim children got to take time off for Eid and Christmas.

It was also true however that the Conservatives and Lib Dems were the ones running Birmingham City Council for many years,that also didn't do anything about that Mock, and the Councils are much closer to such issues than govt:.

Labour only recently,in the last year or 2, wrestled Birmingham Council from the Conservatives and Lib Dems,who were running it together for ages.

I could agree however that there is an imbalance as to some religious tolerance of some, while not wanting to open up a religious battle here, lets say Christian children no longer get what are called sort of holydays off while those of other faiths in some areas or cases likely do.
I do get where you are coming from.

However, if you think Labour had or have any intention of really privatising the NHS,well see what happens if the Conservatives get their hands on the NHS for another 5 years.
It will be clearly seen,once their hidden agenda towards the NHS comes forward again,after the election is over, what privatisation will really take place.
Not this time as a stopgap,or small holding in the NHS but throughout it completely.

While maybe it is right or not to hold Labour responsible for the crisis that hit almost everywhere in the financial world, due to the bankers creating the banking/financial crisis and in part contributing to the global recessions that came with it.

Labour had, to be fair, 11 continuous years of growth and no recessions between 1997 to 2007.
The criticism I would make of Labour was not of economic incompetence but lack of investment in the economy, even when it wasn't needed to invest in it,to ensure protection for any dark crisis that may come along.

[Firewire]

I wouldn't say their my "favourite" party, but my family have always voted Labour.

[joeysteele]

I wouldn't say their my "favourite" party, but my family have always voted Labour.

Firewire, may I please ask since it says you are in Glasgow, are you finding any real change as to your family's voting intentions there at all.

[user104658]

Firewire, may I please ask since it says you are in Glasgow, are you finding any real change as to your family's voting intentions there at all.

I'm not FireWire but, also, my dad was born and raised in Glasgow and lives there again now. He's voted Labour for the last 42 years unshakably, but is now firmly SNP. I also remember that he was still firmly Labour / anti-independence at my sister's 30th birthday (as we had a mini debate about it) which was three years ago - but was MASSIELY pro independence by the time the referendum was held.

Possibly also interesting to note that he also worked within the NHS for nearly 40 years and during his last 10 years of work was heavily involved with RCN work and still is involved there semi-regularly even though he has been retired for a few years now. His opinion is essentially that the Scottish NHS's only real hope is in being protected by the SNP, that it is still at some risk under Labour, and that the wider UK NHS under the Conservatives will be completely and utterly screwed.

[joeysteele]

I'm not FireWire but, also, my dad was born and raised in Glasgow and lives there again now. He's voted Labour for the last 42 years unshakably, but is now firmly SNP. I also remember that he was still firmly Labour / anti-independence at my sister's 30th birthday (as we had a mini debate about it) which was three years ago - but was MASSIELY pro independence by the time the referendum was held.

Possibly also interesting to note that he also worked within the NHS for nearly 40 years and during his last 10 years of work was heavily involved with RCN work and still is involved there semi-regularly even though he has been retired for a few years now. His opinion is essentially that the Scottish NHS's only real hope is in being protected by the SNP, that it is still at some risk under Labour, and that the wider UK NHS under the Conservatives will be completely and utterly screwed.

That's very interesting.
I do have friends and family in Scotland who are also definitely changing their votes to SNP.
They were mostly Lib Dem before however.

The ones who voted Labour last time, I am finding they are looking strongly at the SNP but feel on the day they will still more than likely vote Labour on the day.

It is just all the pundits say there are loads of undecided voters in Scotland still at this time,so I was curious.
I cannot fault your Dad's view that the SNP have done good for Scotland and the NHS there too.
The NHS will always have issues here and there and things going wrong but I give full credit to the SNP for their efforts as to it.

Thank you very much for sharing that info ToySoldier.

[Suze]

Like every other party Rob, UKIP are far from perfect, but with me it's a case of the Pro's FAR outweighing any CONS.

In my opinion, the EU and our 'Open Door' immigration policy are THE two issues which are of the gravest, most urgent concern for this country's future survival, and Farage is THE only politician who is genuine, honest and passionate about addressing them both - the other leaders are paying lip service or have policies which are in opposition to my own views.

As LT says; there is NOTHING in the UKIP Manifesto to alarm anyone, and if the day ever came when Farage held power directly or the balance of power in a coalition, and adverse policies DID start to be proposed or implemented, then ALL of us have the vote to remove him.

The other (Big) two party leaders are PROVEN liars whereas Farage is merely the victim of propaganda.

I'll give him a chance.

I have to agree with you. It is not a question of who is the best as I agree with the pros outweighing the cons. Those pros and cons will be different to each voter, which parties policies they consider will work in their best interests and how it will affect them. Also if we forever vote between two main parties, how if we don't at least give others a chance will we ever know for sure the effects their policies they will have on the Country.

I may not have put very well what I am trying to say because I am not really that pollitically minded, but one party I know I won't be voting for sure, is the Tories.

[kirklancaster]

I have to agree with you. It is not a question of who is the best as I agree with the pros outweighing the cons. Those pros and cons will be different to each voter, which parties policies they consider will work in their best interests and how it will affect them. Also if we forever vote between two main parties, how if we don't at least give others a chance will we ever know for sure the effects their policies they will have on the Country.

I may not have put very well what I am trying to say because I am not really that pollitically minded, but one party I know I won't be voting for sure, is the Tories.

"Au Contraire", Suze, "Mais oui, mais oui" as my favourite aspirant Tory Boy Del Trotter would say - you put it perfectly well and I understand everything you say.

I'm glad we are in agreement too. :wavey:

[Kizzy]

I don't think del boy would be a tory boy today, as a bish bosh dosh kind of guy he'd have found his way to Essex by now and defected to UKIP.

[Firewire]

Firewire, may I please ask since it says you are in Glasgow, are you finding any real change as to your family's voting intentions there at all.

Not really, we've never been an SNP-family. My family were anti-independence which is where the dislike of the SNP stems from. Personally, I think Nicola Sturgeon is great.

When I say family I mean immediate, I'm not sure about my aunts and uncles political stances.

[kirklancaster]

Not really, we've never been an SNP-family. My family were anti-independence which is where the dislike of the SNP stems from. Personally, I think Nicola Sturgeon is great.

When I say family I mean immediate, I'm not sure about my aunts and uncles political stances.

You have such an intelligent immediate family Firewire. My respect to them.

[kirklancaster]

I don't think del boy would be a tory boy today, as a bish bosh dosh kind of guy he'd have found his way to Essex by now and defected to UKIP.

"Luvverly Jubbly." If only. (I don't think so though - Delboy likes black people because it was Councillor Murray who gave him his 'Improvement Grant'.:laugh:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgO3CLVrn1U

[Kizzy]

"Luvverly Jubbly." If only. (I don't think so though - Delboy likes black people because it was Councillor Murray who gave him his 'Improvement Grant'.:laugh:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgO3CLVrn1U

Oh yes silly me he couldn't possibly be a UKIP advocate, he isn't racist... I stand corrected :laugh:

[Mitchell]

Lib Dem with Plaid close, I don't live in Wales so can't vote for the latter and LD would be a wasted vote sadly.

[MTVN]

Lib Dem with Plaid close, I don't live in Wales so can't vote for the latter and LD would be a wasted vote sadly.

Cause of your constituency? The Lib Dems need every vote they can get

[Mitchell]

Cause of your constituency? The Lib Dems need every vote they can get

Yeah there's no chance of Lib dem getting in, other than that UKIP and Tory are 1% apart from each other, so Tory gets my vote automatically.

[Kyle]

It's kind of like asking you what's your favourite out of Leeds United, Millwall, Luton or Chelsea. There's just no good answer. :shrug:

[Withano]

There can be quite a lot of hyperbole around that - I mean, to associate Ukip with neo-nazism is just nonsense.


There are definite similarities though. It is a far right political party which has hired ultra-nationalists, racist, xenophobes and homophobic people.

I'm not going to pull up articles for proof because they're literally everywhere for anybody to see but all of the above cases do exist. I'm not calling UKIP nazis, I'm calling many of the UKIP employees and some of their supporters neo-nazis, there is a difference between the two words and it's not even a case of a difference of opinion, this is a fact.


Just to be clear

Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antisemitism

Nazi: noun historical: a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Different things.

[Kizzy]

There are definite similarities though. It is a far right political party which has hired ultra-nationalists, racist, xenophobes and homophobic people.

I'm not going to pull up articles for proof because they're literally everywhere for anybody to see but all of the above cases do exist. I'm not calling UKIP nazis, I'm calling many of the UKIP employees and some of their supporters neo-nazis, there is a difference between the two words and it's not even a case of a difference of opinion, this is a fact.


Just to be clear

Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antisemitism

Nazi: noun historical: a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Different things.

They most certainly haven't done enough to distance themselves from far right groups either.

[Helen 28]

Anybody who thinks UKIP is far right is deluded.

[Withano]

Anybody who thinks UKIP is far right is deluded.

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Deluded or correct?

[bots]

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Deluded or correct?

That has the tories at the same level as ukip, if that is the case then ukip are not far right at all. There should at least be some room to the right for extreme fascist type party's, the tories aren't even close to that.

[kirklancaster]

That has the tories at the same level as ukip, if that is the case then ukip are not far right at all. There should at least be some room to the right for extreme fascist type party's, the tories aren't even close to that.

:clap1: My exact thoughts Bitontheslide.

[Mystic Mock]

It was also true however that the Conservatives and Lib Dems were the ones running Birmingham City Council for many years,that also didn't do anything about that Mock, and the Councils are much closer to such issues than govt:.

Labour only recently,in the last year or 2, wrestled Birmingham Council from the Conservatives and Lib Dems,who were running it together for ages.

I could agree however that there is an imbalance as to some religious tolerance of some, while not wanting to open up a religious battle here, lets say Christian children no longer get what are called sort of holydays off while those of other faiths in some areas or cases likely do.
I do get where you are coming from.

However, if you think Labour had or have any intention of really privatising the NHS,well see what happens if the Conservatives get their hands on the NHS for another 5 years.
It will be clearly seen,once their hidden agenda towards the NHS comes forward again,after the election is over, what privatisation will really take place.
Not this time as a stopgap,or small holding in the NHS but throughout it completely.

While maybe it is right or not to hold Labour responsible for the crisis that hit almost everywhere in the financial world, due to the bankers creating the banking/financial crisis and in part contributing to the global recessions that came with it.

Labour had, to be fair, 11 continuous years of growth and no recessions between 1997 to 2007.
The criticism I would make of Labour was not of economic incompetence but lack of investment in the economy, even when it wasn't needed to invest in it,to ensure protection for any dark crisis that may come along.

Hello Joey, I agree with you that the NHS will be privatised more under Conservatives, but I just felt like pointing out that it's not safe under Labour or UKIP.

I do hate how Conservatives keep privatising all the UK's big firms and Health Services though.

[kirklancaster]

Hello Joey, I agree with you that the NHS will be privatised more under Conservatives, but I just felt like pointing out that it's not safe under Labour or UKIP.

I do hate how Conservatives keep privatising all the UK's big firms and Health Services though.

IF UKIP Were ever to attain power and ever try to privatise the NHS or try to dismantle it, I will give EVERY penny I have to Joey Steel to donate to the Labour Party campaign fund - THAT's how confident I am that talk of them doing so is propaganda.

[MTVN]

There are definite similarities though. It is a far right political party which has hired ultra-nationalists, racist, xenophobes and homophobic people.

I'm not going to pull up articles for proof because they're literally everywhere for anybody to see but all of the above cases do exist. I'm not calling UKIP nazis, I'm calling many of the UKIP employees and some of their supporters neo-nazis, there is a difference between the two words and it's not even a case of a difference of opinion, this is a fact.


Just to be clear

Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antisemitism

Nazi: noun historical: a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Different things.

I'm aware of the nature of a lot of Ukip's members and supporters and commented on it in this thread, but neo-Nazism refers to a very distinct and particular ideology which has its select subscribers, sure, but it has not really infiltrated itself into Ukip. Even if you were to argue that they have neo-nazi members it is hardly possible that those people could force those views into the party's established doctrine. Neo-nazism has its advocates and its parties in Britain but Ukip are not amonst those, it's an ideology which goes beyond a few buzzwords.

If we want to tackle Ukip lets face up to the problems of their actual policies rather than trying to smear them with a 'neo-nazi' tag which really just prevents constructing any meaningful opposition to Ukip.

[Mystic Mock]

IF UKIP Were ever to attain power and ever try to privatise the NHS or try to dismantle it, I will give EVERY penny I have to Joey Steel to donate to the Labour Party campaign fund - THAT's how confident I am that talk of them doing so is propaganda.

Apart of right wing policies is the privatisation of everything.

[kirklancaster]

I'm aware of the nature of a lot of Ukip's members and supporters and commented on it in this thread, but neo-Nazism refers to a very distinct and particular ideology which has its select subscribers, sure, but it has not really infiltrated itself into Ukip. Even if you were to argue that they have neo-nazi members it is hardly possible that those people could force those views into the party's established doctrine. Neo-nazism has its advocates and its parties in Britain but Ukip are not amonst those, it's an ideology which goes beyond a few buzzwords.

If we want to tackle Ukip lets face up to the problems of their actual policies rather than trying to smear them with a 'neo-nazi' tag which really just prevents constructing any meaningful opposition to Ukip.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Another brilliant balanced post MTVN.

[Mystic Mock]

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Deluded or correct?

I knew that's why I hate the parties in the UK, they're all Authoritarian nearly.

[kirklancaster]

Apart of right wing policies is the privatisation of everything.

Not true Mock. There is nothing at all wrong with advocating certain private Health Care Policies which people can elect to enrol in if they can afford it - it alleviates the burden on the NHS. There may be nothing wrong either in tendering out to private contractors certain non-medical elements of the NHS - as long as the contracting process is overseen to be scrupulous and the successful bids are cost effective.

There is too much institutional corruption in the NHS and far too many bureaucrats on £100K pa or more.

[joeysteele]

IF UKIP Were ever to attain power and ever try to privatise the NHS or try to dismantle it, I will give EVERY penny I have to Joey Steel to donate to the Labour Party campaign fund - THAT's how confident I am that talk of them doing so is propaganda.

:joker:Drat, you almost promise me every penny you have when you know it will not come about.:joker:

I will concede that Nigel Farage leading UKIP,now likely will not desire to move to private healthcare.
My worry remains that in any dealing with the Conservatives,he may agree to their hidden agenda in order to get other things.
I do also still have anxieties as to what other UKIP candidates really feel too

For me at this time, it is the Conservatives in my view, who present the real dangers to the NHS and its founding principles.

There is the 'shelved' extreme part of the re-organsation,which they couldn't get through with Lib Dem support, that will I feel for sure be brought back into play again, and I think that part of the re-organisation would have extended private involvement to a greater scale in the NHS.

Then that opens the door to even more, 'introduction' of more privatisation.
I have not a single ounce of trust in the Conservatives under David Cameron to protect the NHS.

I'd rather you keep your money Kirk,:joker:
I would rather the Conservatives under David Cameron were not trusted and not given 5 more years of running the NHS.
I will campaign right to the last minute,with all my energy, hoping to even persuade just one person thinking of trusting them with it and turning them off doing so.
Thankfully,a lot of people I have talked to this last week, only need the gentle reminder that he promised no top down re-organisation and then did it,to get them thinking again.

For me, that speaks volumes negatively about him,how such a policy, not in his manifesto, not in the Lib Dem manifesto and then promised by him to never be going to be done,not presented to the voters and no voter having the chance to vote for it either,how that could in any way come to be part of a coalition agreement is totally beyond me.

If he can be as devious and misleading as that, on that policy and the way he got it enacted too, one can be understandably left wondering what other things he really should not, and indeed cannot, be trusted on too.

[Loukas]

i want a Green and Labour coalition but i doubt thats gonna happen :tongue:

[Northern Monkey]

i want a Green and Labour coalition but i doubt thats gonna happen :tongue:


It could happen now that Millibland has said he won't work with the SNP live on television.Hope for his sake he does'nt go back on that.

[joeysteele]

It could happen now that Millibland has said he won't work with the SNP live on television.Hope for his sake he does'nt go back on that.

He will work with the SNP, in my view, he will have to I think to secure the overall majority status he needs.
In fact both he or Cameron would have to,the way things look like they are going.
Unless there is a really big shift back to Labour in Scotland, no matter what either of the 2 main parties are saying now,it is very likely neither could be able to govern at all,no matter what seats all other parties have,without some arrangement with the SNP on voting in the Commons.

Not a full coalition but the SNP's votes will be definitely needed I would say.

I never understand any leader of a party ruling out working with others in parliament, the future of elections are uncertain and the results once known can present all sorts of problems as to 'arrangements'.

Even if I was not supporting Labour in this election, I would be still be annoyed at the attempts of 'demonising' the SNP,in particular by the Conservatives, if the Scottish nation ended up electing 40 to 50 SNP MPs,it would be a total disgrace in my view, to ignore and dismiss the legitimacy of their importance in that new parliament after a democratic election.

You can have a working arrangement whereby a min govt; is supported by voting but no real 'formal' working together situation.
Ruling any of that out, when the result is still unknown,is not the wisest thing to do.

I think Miliband is hoping the tide can turn enough to make it, that he and the Lib Dems would be able to come together really,that depends solely on how many seats the Lib Dems can really hold onto.
For me however, I would rather anyday trust the SNP now over the Lib Dems,so I still hope for a min. Labour govt; supported informally by the SNP.
Just for the connection as to the better policies they both have overall.

[kirklancaster]

:joker:Drat, you almost promise me every penny you have when you know it will not come about.:joker:

I will concede that Nigel Farage leading UKIP,now likely will not desire to move to private healthcare.
My worry remains that in any dealing with the Conservatives,he may agree to their hidden agenda in order to get other things.
I do also still have anxieties as to what other UKIP candidates really feel too

For me at this time, it is the Conservatives in my view, who present the real dangers to the NHS and its founding principles.

There is the 'shelved' extreme part of the re-organsation,which they couldn't get through with Lib Dem support, that will I feel for sure be brought back into play again, and I think that part of the re-organisation would have extended private involvement to a greater scale in the NHS.

Then that opens the door to even more, 'introduction' of more privatisation.
I have not a single ounce of trust in the Conservatives under David Cameron to protect the NHS.

I'd rather you keep your money Kirk,:joker:
I would rather the Conservatives under David Cameron were not trusted and not given 5 more years of running the NHS.
I will campaign right to the last minute,with all my energy, hoping to even persuade just one person thinking of trusting them with it and turning them off doing so.
Thankfully,a lot of people I have talked to this last week, only need the gentle reminder that he promised no top down re-organisation and then did it,to get them thinking again.

For me, that speaks volumes negatively about him,how such a policy, not in his manifesto, not in the Lib Dem manifesto and then promised by him to never be going to be done,not presented to the voters and no voter having the chance to vote for it either,how that could in any way come to be part of a coalition agreement is totally beyond me.

If he can be as devious and misleading as that, on that policy and the way he got it enacted too, one can be understandably left wondering what other things he really should not, and indeed cannot, be trusted on too.

:joker: Am I stupid Joey? :laugh:

Off topic - and on the subject of Cameron and TRUST - have you heard the news this morning?

Seemingly unrelated articles;

Mortgage rates to fall. HSBC announces 5 year Fixed Rate Mortgage below 2%.

UK Exports to grow dramatically by 5.9% this year according to top 'Independent' (lol) Think Tank, (Ernst & Young) E.Y. ITEM CLUB.

Such FREAKY Synchronicity (sorry LT) Such COINCIDENCE --- On the eve of an ELECTION and here we have a DOUBLE WHAMMY of absolutely FANTASTIC NEWS.

Massively discounted Social Housing sales, Massively discounted Bank Shares sales, Massively Rising exports, Massive Reduction in Mortgage Rates ---

Kirk wanders off in a stupor - half delirious, his brain a muddle of thoughts and phrases; 'Deus ex machina', 'White Rabbit From Hat' .... Oh! It's all too wonderful.... Disappears over the horizon.. Then; Kirk's wonderful baritone voice singing : "Oh What a beautiful Morning", 'O Happy Days" . "Everything's Coming Up Roses" ....... SILENCE.... followed by a solitary gunshot.

[joeysteele]

:joker: Am I stupid Joey? :laugh:

Off topic - and on the subject of Cameron and TRUST - have you heard the news this morning?

Seemingly unrelated articles;

Mortgage rates to fall. HSBC announces 5 year Fixed Rate Mortgage below 2%.

UK Exports to grow dramatically by 5.9% this year according to top 'Independent' (lol) Think Tank, (Ernst & Young) E.Y. ITEM CLUB.

Such FREAKY Synchronicity (sorry LT) Such COINCIDENCE --- On the eve of an ELECTION and here we have a DOUBLE WHAMMY of absolutely FANTASTIC NEWS.

Massively discounted Social Housing sales, Massively discounted Bank Shares sales, Massively Rising exports, Massive Reduction in Mortgage Rates ---

Kirk wanders off in a stupor - half delirious, his brain a muddle of thoughts and phrases; 'Deus ex machina', 'White Rabbit From Hat' .... Oh! It's all too wonderful.... Disappears over the horizon.. Then; Kirk's wonderful baritone voice singing : "Oh What a beautiful Morning", 'O Happy Days" . "Everything's Coming Up Roses" ....... SILENCE.... followed by a solitary gunshot.

Actually while out campaigning today again it is amazing the comments I have had as to where has all this good news and more money come from with David Cameron.
Voters are getting very suspicious towards him I think, and in my view,rightly so.

I get some really negative stuff as to Labour and Ed Miliband too but there does seem to be suspicions that are daily getting stronger that David Cameron is not being in anyway honest at all.
Just about everyone I get into this with,is really suspicious and thinks it unacceptable for the Conservatives to say they will save 12 billion on welfare but refuse to say what and who they will hit,before the election.

I also wish I had just £1 for every person who has said to me over this weekend, that if they could do so,they would vote SNP in England.

[Shaun]

Genuinely wouldn't mind a Labour/Lib Dem/Green/SNP coalition, even if that would be like 65% of seats when they only need about 50 :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Perched for a tory, ukip, britain first, combat 18, icf, edl coalition

:flutter:

[Z]

None of them, this time around. I'm inclined to say Tories purely because they've been the least terrible in this campaign. Who would have thought David Cameron would look like the strongest candidate in this election.

[Kizzy]

I don't feel he does, conspicuous in his absence maybe but not strong.

[arista]

Genuinely wouldn't mind a Labour/Lib Dem/Green/SNP coalition, even if that would be like 65% of seats when they only need about 50 :laugh:



No SNP
are Not wanted by Fecking Labour

[Z]

I don't feel he does, conspicuous in his absence maybe but not strong.

I don't know how else to put it - everyone else is hopelessly crap, Cameron's just kind of below-averagely-tiding-things-over as Prime Minister which, if he was against a strong candidate, would mean curtains - but he's not, so he looks better than the rest IMO.

I do think Nicola Sturgeon is coming off really well but I don't think she's got a hope in hell of forming a coalition with anyone so that's probably why she's going balls to the wall and looking so brilliant.

[Kizzy]

How would you define 'hopelessly crap'? We have nothing to judge anyone else by, we know however that Cameron has fudged his way through the last 5yrs selling off what he could and not making a dent in the deficit.

[Z]

How would you define 'hopelessly crap'? We have nothing to judge anyone else by, we know however that Cameron has fudged his way through the last 5yrs selling off what he could and not making a dent in the deficit.

Their campaigns for the general election, obviously. What else would I be talking about? Ed Miliband has been defensively trying to stamp his feet and tell everyone he's ready to be Prime Minister like the dozy little brother he is. Nick Clegg's had his tail between his legs for years since the students that voted him into the coalition angrily called him out for double crossing them. UKIP is crashing down around Nigel Farage with each passing day so no point commenting on them, it was a fad for angry people. In short - David Cameron looks the least stupid, therefore looks the most capable by default. He's not ****ed the country up and we are seeing signs of recovery in recent months which have come just in the nick of time for his campaign spiels.

[the truth]

I cant see me voting at this stage, I cant stand any of them

[Kizzy]

Their campaigns for the general election, obviously. What else would I be talking about? Ed Miliband has been defensively trying to stamp his feet and tell everyone he's ready to be Prime Minister like the dozy little brother he is. Nick Clegg's had his tail between his legs for years since the students that voted him into the coalition angrily called him out for double crossing them. UKIP is crashing down around Nigel Farage with each passing day so no point commenting on them, it was a fad for angry people. In short - David Cameron looks the least stupid, therefore looks the most capable by default. He's not ****ed the country up and we are seeing signs of recovery in recent months which have come just in the nick of time for his campaign spiels.

Well, seeing as Ed has explained the difference in his and his brothers politics several times I'm shocked that there's still some in the UK who haven't had their concerns clarified on that issue.
He has set out already his key policies not only in the manifesto but also submitted them for parliamentary scrutiny, for me that is better than all the scandal mongering, backbiting, empty promises and wild claims I've seen from the current govt as to their next term.There's nothing that they've suggested will be implemented that's accounted for either in the budget or clarified by the OBR or IFS, therefore it can only be taken as hot air imo.

[arista]

I cant see me voting at this stage, I cant stand any of them



Thats OK
around 20Million or more are with you

[joeysteele]

Speaking personally only obviously,I acually would say this is the poorest performance by any sitting Prime Minister there has likely ever been.

I have only actually watched elections since 1997,and I was only 5 for that one but my Dad let me stay up all night to watch it
I love hearing people tell me about how elections used to be, where PMs got heckled endlessly and the politicians were all over the place trying to win votes.

This campaign and this Prime Minister,forgetting his running away from regular encounters directly with his political opponents,has been atrocious.
All through he has really not revealed a single important detail as to what he is going to do and where in the future if he won.
He still, despite having over 2 years to think about it,has not even said what it is he 'might' be re-negotiating as to the EU.

There is the welfare cuts of 12 billion, that people most vulnerable, sick and disabled know he has said will be done, however he is making them wait in anxiety as to what it is he will cut, when and against which sections of the sick and disabled will he hit.
It has to be against them and jobseekers, as he has said, no pensioners or the extras pensioners get will be touched at all.
To admire a man that would let the most vulnerable worry about what was to happen and for him to say they 'have ' to wait until after the eelction before they are told, is,for me, a total disgrace.

He has plucked things out of the air, never said before,such as the 8 billion for the NHS,where has he found that all of a sudden,we again are not going to be told until after the election.
Is it more deep cutting, or is it maybe from some private source,buying into the NHS to take over some aspects of care,at a price.
Is this some part of the shelved re-organisation,(which he blatantly lied about doing in 2010), he had to remove from the reforms done in this parliament, that he dare not also reveal before the election is over.

He has allowed a largely negative and personalised campaign against Miliband, and now the SNP.
What is really however the difference with Labour doing a SNP deal or him doing a deal with the DUP, a largely still sectarian party in the UK.
Sorry but not much in my view.

He ridicules the defence plans of Labour but he has presided over the 'sacking' of soldiers,planned while on duty in Afghanistan too, he also refuses to commit to pledging 2% of gdp to defence spending.
Again keeping vague as to his intentions on defence, except for the full renewal of trident.

He has told the voters nothing at all, he is doing all sorts of photo shoots here and there but giving no details as to anything to really anyone.
Yet he is the one in the know, he is the PM, he has all the figures to hand,he actually said more of what he would do when he was the opposition.

It is understandable that oppositions cannot be totally sure of what they will achieve but the govt; of the day has all info and advice at its fingertips.
Yet he is getting away with revealing nothing to voters at all and is admired for that!!.

I think he has fought a dismal campaign for a PM, he acts like he is ashamed of his record in govt; not proud of it.
For me he is the worst leader of any party at present and he is for me, the likely worst PM the UK has had, for his endless procrastination on policy and deliberate avoidance of informing the voters of his true intentions too.

More terrible is, he calls achieving about half of his original promises and targets successes,his immigration targets gone massively wrong, stupid to make at the time but this weak and hopeless leader made the pledges all the same as to it, deriding all others records too.

He also derided Labour for only wanting to cut the deficit by half,saying it had to be 'all' cleared by 2015 or that would be disastrous for the UK,he has taken half off it,only by manipulating how the deficit is now measured as to the economy, which is different to how it was measured in 2010.
Still only half off at best.

Is there any point in going on, it would fill probably 4 pages at least of this thread if I were to.
This however could be seen by anyone as him being the best on this campaign, really, god help us all and the UK too then.

One thing he has revealed to us of course,is something very close to his heart,he will try to make foxhunting legal again.
I mentioned that to a group of people I was taking to while campaigning today, their response was, ''NO surely he isn't''.
I said he sure is, it is in his manifesto, they were absolutely horrified.

I actually do think that policy is right for him however,because it sums him up, he will use a pack to weaken and bring down those he doesn't like or respect.
He is happy to gloat at those left with no chance of defence.
It fits wonderfully with his heartless and cruel streak he directs against those he sees of no worth at all.
The jobless, the sick, disabled and most vulnerable.
Who he is planning to attack again with 12 billion pounds worth of extra cuts, likely to their benefits.

If ever a PM was the least worthy ever to be returned to power, then this is the one.
He is hiding,cowering from the big issues all the time.
He will only be able to confidently scream all the detail out as to such cuts and policies, when, were he to win god forbid, he will have his baying pack behind him as he does so in the Commons.

The best in the campaign, for crying out loud, he might as well not be there at all for what he is actually doing and saying that tells the voters anything.

[Crimson Dynamo]

er Gordon Brown

hello

[joeysteele]

er Gordon Brown

hello

Well even he,Gordon Brown told the voters more in 2010 than Cameron has done, in fact he told them 'too' much more after his being caught talking off camera with the microphones left on.

At least he said much more of what he would do if returned to power and how too,with details as to same.

This PM is so frightened of the slightest slip up, he is just in effect doing and saying nothing at all.
That is really pathetic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well even he,Gordon Brown told the voters more in 2010 than Cameron has done, in fact he told them 'too' much more after his being caught talking off camera with the microphones left on.

At least he said much more of what he would do if returned to power and how too,with details as to same.

This PM is so frightened of the slightest slip up, he is just in effect doing and saying nothing at all.
That is really pathetic.

I dont think he covered himself in glory regarding the referendum that is for sure

[joeysteele]

I dont think he covered himself in glory regarding the referendum that is for sure

What has the referendum got to do with this general election campaign?
That is what is being discussed on this thread.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What has the refendum got to do with this general election campaign?
That is what is being discussed on this thread.

the referendum is a very hot election topic. Ever since NS did not rule another out.

I passed 3 large YES banners in fields tonite

left intentionally

[joeysteele]

the referendum is a very hot election topic. Ever since NS did not rule another out.

I passed 3 large YES banners in fields tonite

left intentionally

A new referendum on independence is 'not' in the SNP manifesto published today.
No main party would agree to one and in fact, since the SNP have left it out of their manifesto today, they haven't the authority to ask for one again either.

3 or even 3003 banners cannot alter that fact.

So no referendum is on the cards and that will be what all main parties say is the case very strongly too to any such question.

As it happens since I think Scotland was 'tricked' for want of a better word.
I think another should be allowed in the future, especially if there is not the full deliverance of more powers promised by all 3 main parties.

[bots]

None of them, this time around. I'm inclined to say Tories purely because they've been the least terrible in this campaign. Who would have thought David Cameron would look like the strongest candidate in this election.

This sums it up really, the standard of the political candidates on offer is just dreadful. Even in the Conservative and Labour party's they have less than a handful of socially acceptable people to put in front of the media. There is absolutely no depth of talent anywhere to be found