Race / immigration / foreign policy threads in serious debates...

[Toy Soldier]

I'll preface this by saying that, obviously, what is and isn't OK for this forum is completely down to the Administration / Mod team and I'm not in any way disputing that, nor am I going to bleat on about free speech because this is obviously a privately owned website.

What I am looking for, basically, is a straight and to-the-point answer on whether or not every thread as described in the title is going to be cropped down to a few pages, or deleted completely, as soon as it gets a little heated? I appreciate that the number of post reports etc. Must get irritating but... To be blunt... I doubt it's as irritating as spending time writing several long responses in a thread only for them to vaporise.

I'm genuinely only asking so that I know for certain that the best course of action is probably to avoid writing in such threads at all or at least keep responses down to a sentence or two.


To add my tuppence worth, I think it would actually be a great shame for it to go that way, because this is the first forum I've been on in a LONG time on which people can get very heated, even personal, in one thread and g yet remain lighthearted and friendly in other threads on the same day (or even at the same time!) and it's really very refreshing.

Kind regards and with all due respect,

Toyus Soldiericus of Tibberly Rock.

Commander of the armies of the North, heir to the demon.

/ T.S.

Xox

[Crimson Dynamo]

well said you old commie bastard

:clap1:

[kirklancaster]

I'll preface this by saying that, obviously, what is and isn't OK for this forum is completely down to the Administration / Mod team and I'm not in any way disputing that, nor am I going to bleat on about free speech because this is obviously a privately owned website.

What I am looking for, basically, is a straight and to-the-point answer on whether or not every thread as described in the title is going to be cropped down to a few pages, or deleted completely, as soon as it gets a little heated? I appreciate that the number of post reports etc. Must get irritating but... To be blunt... I doubt it's as irritating as spending time writing several long responses in a thread only for them to vaporise.

I'm genuinely only asking so that I know for certain that the best course of action is probably to avoid writing in such threads at all or at least keep responses down to a sentence or two.


To add my tuppence worth, I think it would actually be a great shame for it to go that way, because this is the first forum I've been on in a LONG time on which people can get very heated, even personal, in one thread and g yet remain lighthearted and friendly in other threads on the same day (or even at the same time!) and it's really very refreshing.

Kind regards and with all due respect,

Toyus Soldiericus of Tibberly Rock.

Commander of the armies of the North, heir to the demon.

/ T.S.

Xox

:clap1::clap1::clap1: I could not have put it better my old sparring partner. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

well said you old commie bastard

:clap1:

:joker::joker::joker: Peed mi sen'

[Northern Monkey]

Love abit of Game of Thrones:thumbs:

[Cherie]

I agree I love reading a good barney it's what keeps me going in the lean off season :hehe: LT threatening to report a post you don't see that too often :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Great question, looking forward to the response :)

[Kyle]

What you don't 'appear' to realise is that there has been a sharp sharp increase of immigration threads to serious debates in the past few weeks. Far far more than this forum can sustain and that's a FACT.

Now I'm not saying we should just get rid of all the immigration threads, that would be absurd but the FACT is and that's a FACT by the way is that this sub forum is absolutely full to the brim with good honest threads that really don't want to be caught up in all the savagery of immigration threads and posts.

I'm saying we should ideally be putting a stop to it as much as possible and if that makes me a 'censoring right winger' then so be it I will gladly wear it with pride and that's a FACT.

[Cherie]

What you don't 'appear' to realise is that there has been a sharp sharp increase of immigration threads to serious debates in the past few weeks. Far far more than this forum can sustain and that's a FACT.

Now I'm not saying we should just get rid of all the immigration threads, that would be absurd but the FACT is and that's a FACT by the way is that this sub forum is absolutely full to the brim with good honest threads that really don't want to be caught up in all the savagery of immigration threads and posts.

I'm saying we should ideally be putting a stop to it as much as possible and if that makes me a 'censoring right winger' then so be it I will gladly wear it with pride and that's a FACT.

:joker: I'm afraid I don't agree these immigration threads pose no threat to serious debates other than to keep it interesting

[Kyle]

:joker: I'm afraid I don't agree these immigration threads pose no threat to serious debates other than to keep it interesting

Are you aware of the number of innocent people who are receiving warnings and bans thanks to the evils of increased immigration posts?

The FACT is its chaos out there, this forum is not a big forum like momsnet or stampcollection.org they can take all these 'threads' we can't.

I've been saying this for weeks now, when we are looking at some time in the future like May 2015 this forum will be absolutely choc full of immigration posts and immigration threads that absolutely do not want to be a part of a peaceful civilised 'debate' like the rest of us. I'm sick of all this liberal do gooder oh let's leave all the threads alone they will make good honest poster likes me want to move to chat and games and I don't want that.

There needs to be a 'controlled' and regulated 'format' where undesirable immigration posts can be turned away. I'm sorry if that sounds callous but it's the way it is.

[Cherie]

Are you aware of the number of innocent people who are receiving warnings and bans thanks to the evils of increased immigration posts?

The FACT is its chaos out there, this forum is not a big forum like momsnet or stampcollection.org they can take all these 'threads' we can't.

I've been saying this for weeks now, when we are looking at some time in the future like May 2015 this forum will be absolutely choc full of immigration posts and immigration threads that absolutely do not want to be a part of a peaceful civilised 'debate' like the rest of us. I'm sick of all this liberal do gooder oh let's leave all the threads alone they will make good honest poster likes me want to move to chat and games and I don't want that.

There needs to be a 'controlled' and regulated 'format' where undesirable immigration posts can be turned away. I'm sorry if that sounds callous but it's the way it is.


:omgno:

[kirklancaster]

:omgno:

:laugh:

Kyle's deffo been on the juice :hehe:

[Kyle]

:laugh:

Kyle's deffo been on the juice :hehe:

This is the worst party ever you all suck

[kirklancaster]

This is the worst party ever you all suck

:joker::joker::joker:

[Toy Soldier]

Are you aware of the number of innocent people who are receiving warnings and bans thanks to the evils of increased immigration posts?

The FACT is its chaos out there, this forum is not a big forum like momsnet or stampcollection.org they can take all these 'threads' we can't.

I've been saying this for weeks now, when we are looking at some time in the future like May 2015 this forum will be absolutely choc full of immigration posts and immigration threads that absolutely do not want to be a part of a peaceful civilised 'debate' like the rest of us. I'm sick of all this liberal do gooder oh let's leave all the threads alone they will make good honest poster likes me want to move to chat and games and I don't want that.

There needs to be a 'controlled' and regulated 'format' where undesirable immigration posts can be turned away. I'm sorry if that sounds callous but it's the way it is.
:joker: this is inspired.

[Ammi]

I'll preface this by saying that, obviously, what is and isn't OK for this forum is completely down to the Administration / Mod team and I'm not in any way disputing that, nor am I going to bleat on about free speech because this is obviously a privately owned website.

What I am looking for, basically, is a straight and to-the-point answer on whether or not every thread as described in the title is going to be cropped down to a few pages, or deleted completely, as soon as it gets a little heated? I appreciate that the number of post reports etc. Must get irritating but... To be blunt... I doubt it's as irritating as spending time writing several long responses in a thread only for them to vaporise.

I'm genuinely only asking so that I know for certain that the best course of action is probably to avoid writing in such threads at all or at least keep responses down to a sentence or two.


To add my tuppence worth, I think it would actually be a great shame for it to go that way, because this is the first forum I've been on in a LONG time on which people can get very heated, even personal, in one thread and g yet remain lighthearted and friendly in other threads on the same day (or even at the same time!) and it's really very refreshing.

Kind regards and with all due respect,

Toyus Soldiericus of Tibberly Rock.

Commander of the armies of the North, heir to the demon.

/ T.S.

Xox

...sorry if this post is rushed TS..(as I should be at work right now...)...but I just wanted to say from a personal viewpoint of what you've said....

..I can completely understand when posts are removed or a thread is closed and you've taken such time to write long posts/become involved, how annoying that is...but I'm finding it also annoying if I do have an interest in a thread..?...to have to scroll back through several pages to kind of find the thread of the thread so to speak because so many threads are often taken completely off course and so derailed that they're just so hard to follow/and almost nothing to do with the original topic in some cases....and it isn't that I'm not interested in what people have to say and their thoughts on these topics but it's often the same thoughts just repeated..?...posts that don't really say much different from the previous one and the one before and the thread before etc....I think maybe when Mods clean them, this could be why..?...to make it easier to keep it all on track and easier for members to post and follow etc...it also feels quite often that it's not really debate always...not countering the thoughts and opinions of others but more making judgements on the person or people with those opinions, if you know what I mean....I sometimes feel when a thread is closed....phewww, it'll be great to discuss other topics because that was an intense experience..:laugh:... but then another race/immigration/religion etc type one seems to come and ..yeah, the same views obviously...:laugh:...and here we go again and it just doesn't give the best balance/variation and leave you really with anything much to say because you've already said it in another thread and many are so similar...(not you, I mean for me and maybe for others/I don't know..)....and also I think Iceman said, it often feels like people just wanting to get the last word and one up, type thing with each other or someone else so does that really leave it open for others to join in because their thoughts on the topic get a bit lost in all of it..../ thread derailments etc....it's all quite exhausting to follow and takes a lot of the inclination to post away...I also think that because it's quite often all repeated stuff etc..the thread gets closed because it's run it's course and just isn't 'debate' anymore and possibly hasn't been for several pages....

...anyway, that's all just my opinion and maybe another perspective of more an 'observer'....so yeah, sorry this is rushed, I just don't have a lot of time atm....

[arista]

"Toyus Soldiericus of Tibberly Rock. "


Get off your Horse and Rock

[Ammi]

......(I'm so going to get sacked for being late..)...but I guess what I mean is that I appreciate your frustrations, when you're involved/absorbed in a thread and you've taken time to write posts and want to continue a discussion etc/don't want posts removed/don't want threads closed.. but they really are so often massively derailed so there are other frustrations with that for other posters as well and trying to find the track of the thread again ...and staff have to try to take in all of these perspectives/think about everyone and try to get and keep a balance ..

[Toy Soldier]

Ammi I don't disagree, threads do run their course and I don't really mind when they're closed once they start going around in circles, it's the actual deletions that bother me... As I post a fair bit on work days, which means I can get really into a debate sitting on the toilet in the morning (oh yes) and also on the commute to work, but then probably won't check in again until lunch time or maybe even dinner time, and a couple of times lately the thread has vanished by then... Or has been "pruned" into something so disjointed and confusing that it's impossible to read. So I don't even know what was said or what happened. It makes it really not worth getting involved in the first place. If it's just closed, that's fine, that's something to read! Usually something quite interesting!

Again though, I'm not telling anyone how to do anything (genuinely!), it's a privately owned site and totally up to the admins. I'm not in a huff! I just don't actually have huge amounts of free time and it seems like every thread on these topics goes belly up lately, and if it's going to be standard I just won't engage in the "immigration threads".

However I will say again that I think it would be a shame, because I think often those people involved in the more "heated" back and forth are actually enjoying it and I don't think it always needs to be nipped in the bud, I think for many it's an enjoyable part of the forum. Possibly worth mentioning that vBulletin also has a "split" function in the mod tools that can be used to siphon the posts in a thread that have gone off topic into a new thread, if it's still a valid and ongoing discussion. I think it's inevitable that "off topic" will happen... These threads are less a formal debate, and more like a heated discussion at a gathering of friends, and that sort of discussion will inevitably flow into completely different topics over the course of a few pages. Again though that's the site Admin's business. I really am only asking for my own selfish benefit :joker:.

[Toy Soldier]

"Toyus Soldiericus of Tibberly Rock. "


Get off your Horse and Rock
No, Ser Arista. I have heard great tales of your many adventures in the service of the great deity Spacedata, but you shall not strip me of my steed nor my rock. Not this day.

[kirklancaster]

Ammi I don't disagree, threads do run their course and I don't really mind when they're closed once they start going around in circles, it's the actual deletions that bother me... As I post a fair bit on work days, which means I can get really into a debate sitting on the toilet in the morning (oh yes) and also on the commute to work, but then probably won't check in again until lunch time or maybe even dinner time, and a couple of times lately the thread has vanished by then... Or has been "pruned" into something so disjointed and confusing that it's impossible to read. So I don't even know what was said or what happened. It makes it really not worth getting involved in the first place. If it's just closed, that's fine, that's something to read! Usually something quite interesting!

Again though, I'm not telling anyone how to do anything (genuinely!), it's a privately owned site and totally up to the admins. I'm not in a huff! I just don't actually have huge amounts of free time and it seems like every thread on these topics goes belly up lately, and if it's going to be standard I just won't engage in the "immigration threads".

However I will say again that I think it would be a shame, because I think often those people involved in the more "heated" back and forth are actually enjoying it and I don't think it always needs to be nipped in the bud, I think for many it's an enjoyable part of the forum. Possibly worth mentioning that vBulletin also has a "split" function in the mod tools that can be used to siphon the posts in a thread that have gone off topic into a new thread, if it's still a valid and ongoing discussion. I think it's inevitable that "off topic" will happen... These threads are less a formal debate, and more like a heated discussion at a gathering of friends, and that sort of discussion will inevitably flow into completely different topics over the course of a few pages. Again though that's the site Admin's business. I really am only asking for my own selfish benefit :joker:.

I agree though, and ALL threads which are heavily debated/discussed are bound to get heated, the posts repetitive, and the arguments circular to a degree.

We all BELIEVE what we post and are passionate about our beliefs, so because we all have different beliefs on the same subject (wouldn't be a debate otherwise :laugh:) it's never going to be 'tea at the vicarage'.

I do not bear ill will or grudges and I'm sure no one else does, but certain people 'push my buttons' - as I'm sure that there are more than a few who I piss off, but that's a forum for you - a good active one with a high level of intelligence and knowledge anyway.

[kirklancaster]

No, Ser Arista. I have heard great tales of your many adventures in the service of the great deity Spacedata, but you shall not strip me of my steed nor my rock. Not this day.

:joker:

[joeysteele]

I wasn't going to add anything here but I can understand Toy Soldiers frustration.
I know the mods and admin have their work cut out at times to keep order and so if they decide to take any action as to a thread,I would always 100% support their doing so.

What Toy Soldier has listed,race,immigration and foreign policy, are massively polarising and emotive topics.
That really cover so much ground,it is not surprising thay move off and expand in all directions, while still having the basis of the issue left in place and to be referred to.

The reasons why people think as they do, can open up many other avenues of discussion and debate on such a thread, that doesn't really mean the thread is way off course however.

A daft example here but I was watching TV with my cousins,there were 6 of us,it was an event in Holby City,that started a discussion,from that event.
With all of us then contributing loads of other areas,which were covered and the discussions expanded onto several other points.
All that resulted just from the first comment of the event on that TV programme.
It was amazing what was learned and debated just from that and it went on for ages, even when we had a meal at night.
That is what debate is however.
A reaction to an event or issue with all that could be expanded on from that into other related points or from the comments made by the individuals.

If insulting comes into play as to others, well that is where the arguments are lost and then perhaps the thread and topic need to be closed at that time.
Serious debates,means just that, an issue that is serious,and people will have massively opposing views and passions for one side of the arguments as to them, as will those on the other side.

So the way I see it, is if an issue is raised and then comments flow in, it will be inevitable for the thread to move off into other things that others may see as to further valid points in relation to same.

If however on a thread, only a question is asked, then really only the question needs to be answered and to be at the forefront of everything said.

A topic opened up however, will have many side alleys of further points that can be made or brought into the conversation which will then expand the thread into an ongoing fully inclusive discussion from that basic topic raised at the start.

[kirklancaster]

Are you aware of the number of innocent people who are receiving warnings and bans thanks to the evils of increased immigration posts?

The FACT is its chaos out there, this forum is not a big forum like momsnet or stampcollection.org they can take all these 'threads' we can't.

I've been saying this for weeks now, when we are looking at some time in the future like May 2015 this forum will be absolutely choc full of immigration posts and immigration threads that absolutely do not want to be a part of a peaceful civilised 'debate' like the rest of us. I'm sick of all this liberal do gooder oh let's leave all the threads alone they will make good honest poster likes me want to move to chat and games and I don't want that.

There needs to be a 'controlled' and regulated 'format' where undesirable immigration posts can be turned away. I'm sorry if that sounds callous but it's the way it is.

Kyle - As TS says, this really is a great bit of satire.(clever twot: laugh:)

[Kazanne]

I'll preface this by saying that, obviously, what is and isn't OK for this forum is completely down to the Administration / Mod team and I'm not in any way disputing that, nor am I going to bleat on about free speech because this is obviously a privately owned website.

What I am looking for, basically, is a straight and to-the-point answer on whether or not every thread as described in the title is going to be cropped down to a few pages, or deleted completely, as soon as it gets a little heated? I appreciate that the number of post reports etc. Must get irritating but... To be blunt... I doubt it's as irritating as spending time writing several long responses in a thread only for them to vaporise.

I'm genuinely only asking so that I know for certain that the best course of action is probably to avoid writing in such threads at all or at least keep responses down to a sentence or two.


To add my tuppence worth, I think it would actually be a great shame for it to go that way, because this is the first forum I've been on in a LONG time on which people can get very heated, even personal, in one thread and g yet remain lighthearted and friendly in other threads on the same day (or even at the same time!) and it's really very refreshing.

Kind regards and with all due respect,

Toyus Soldiericus of Tibberly Rock.

Commander of the armies of the North, heir to the demon.

/ T.S.

Xox

:clap1::clap1: I agree . Sometimes I just don't bother joining a debate ,due to the fact if you have a little spat , it gets censored , when most times posters sort it out themselves , you have to be able to say what's on your mind(within reason) to get your points across

[Crimson Dynamo]

to be fair bobnot had consistently called ukip a racist hate party:umm2: and nonsense like that probably should be cleaned up as it does no one any favours

[Toy Soldier]

to be fair bobnot had consistently called ukip a racist hate party:umm2: and nonsense like that probably should be cleaned up as it does no one any favours
Doesn't matter if it's nonsense or not, that's part of the debate (proving it to be nonsense). Are you trying to get my thread deleted LT? :nono:. It would be a fun example of irony but I've not actually had an answer yet!

[Niamh.]

It's quite funny that alot of the people agreeing with you are the people who are always reporting posts from these threads........how do we win that one? :think:

[joeysteele]

It's quite funny that alot of the people agreeing with you are the people who are always reporting posts from these threads........how do we win that one? :think:

That is for sure an odd and surprising one Niamh,I myself don't think I have ever really reported a post as such.
Although there have been times I have got into some difficulty at times.

I is why I myself would always support what admin. and the mods do as to threads.

How do you win that one you ask, I haven't a clue so you have my sympathy as to dealing with that.
It really is a puzzler from what you say in your post above.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's quite funny that alot of the people agreeing with you are the people who are always reporting posts from these threads........how do we win that one? :think:

just file the reports under B

[Toy Soldier]

It's quite funny that alot of the people agreeing with you are the people who are always reporting posts from these threads........how do we win that one? :think:
D: D: D:

The plot thickens. Is everyone just reporting each other?

"How very dare you!" *report* "you pig! "

" who are you calling a pig, you unimaginable bastard??" *report*

Still. Shame on all of you!

I think I've only ever reported one post to be fair, someone saying "some members *blah blah*" on a thread where people had already been told to cut it out. And I immediately regretted it. Made me feel like a tattle-tale :(.

[Niamh.]

D: D: D:

The plot thickens. Is everyone just reporting each other?

"How very dare you!" *report* "you pig! "

" who are you calling a pig, you unimaginable bastard??" *report*

Still. Shame on all of you!

I think I've only ever reported one post to be fair, someone saying "some members *blah blah*" on a thread where people had already been told to cut it out. And I immediately regretted it. Made me feel like a tattle-tale :(.

If it were up to me i would lock you all in a cage and let you fight it out :hehe:

[Kyle]

I report Toy Soldier all the time. As a child I stepped on my super sergeant army ranger action man and I have foot related horror flashbacks every time I see his *shudder* name

[Toy Soldier]

If it were up to me i would lock you all in a cage and let you fight it out :hehe:
Doesn't this belong in the "Niamh's strange fetishes" subforum?

Oh no never mind. Just checked and it's already full. :D

[Niamh.]

Doesn't this belong in the "Niamh's strange fetishes" subforum?

Oh no never mind. Just checked and it's already full. :D

Hey how did you get access to that subforum? :suspect:

[Toy Soldier]

Hey how did you get access to that subforum? :suspect:
I know all of the backdoors.

I also know secret ways into subforums.

[Niamh.]

I know all of the backdoors.

I also know secret ways into subforums.

:laugh:

[Iceman]

I usually try and just let it go. But lately it's become an issue. I've bumped the reminder in serious debates. Warned people in the threads. Cleaned them up and yet the constant sniping and digs continue. I do think the threads should be made but please (this isn't aimed at the OP or any member it's just in general) leave the personal comments out.

[Niamh.]

Yeah I agree with Eoin, it's become a problem lately and as Ammi said as well it's stopping other people from wanting to read and contribute to the Serious debate section because it just seems to become full of the same arguments and personal attacks between the same members

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes personal comments should be taken out. I called bobnot a bigot and he was right to report that as its not on

but all the other stuff makes it interesting - i dont want everyone saying "yes LT whilst i disagree I respectfully respect your right to have that opinion, you really are a great poster but on this issue I have to take issue with your assertion that Irish people are inherently pugnacious"

i mean

zzzzz

they fecking are tho

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah I agree with Eoin, it's become a problem lately and as Ammi said as well it's stopping other people from wanting to read and contribute to the Serious debate section because it just seems to become full of the same arguments and personal attacks between the same members

:fist: I like Kirk and Nedusa

[Iceman]

yes personal comments should be taken out. I called bobnot a bigot and he was right to report that as its not on

but all the other stuff makes it interesting - i dont want everyone saying "yes LT whilst i disagree I respectfully respect your right to have that opinion, you really are a great poster but on this issue I have to take issue with your assertion that Irish people are inherently pugnacious"

i mean

zzzzz

they fecking are tho

Cheeky git. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

:fist: I like Kirk and Nedusa

:joker::joker::joker:

[Kizzy]

It's quite funny that a lot of 'sniping' threads start with 'It's quite funny' :hehe:

This is relevant to me lately due to the closing of my KH thread, It really annoys me when the old chestnut of it puts people off posting in SD comes up, those who post in SD do because they have an opinion on a subject, if anyone really wanted to have a say they would.
Kaz is right SD is becoming too clinical, yes I've reported posts and I make no apology for that if any thread gets personal then I would advocate that, yet the KH thread was effectively ethnically cleansed with all counter argument removed.. what's the point in that? It ceases to be a debate then.

[Iceman]

It's quite funny that a lot of 'sniping' threads start with 'It's quite funny' :hehe:

This is relevant to me lately due to the closing of my KH thread, It really annoys me when the old chestnut of it puts people off posting in SD comes up, those who post in SD do because they have an opinion on a subject, if anyone really wanted to have a say they would.
Kaz is right SD is becoming too clinical, yes I've reported posts and I make no apology for that if any thread gets personal then I would advocate that, yet the KH thread was effectively ethnically cleansed with all counter argument removed.. what's the point in that? It ceases to be a debate then.

That's just the point though. That thread was closed, cleaned, reopened a warning about it and then yet again reports come in. I don't understand why you don't get that. It was discussed in admin. I closed it because it was becoming. Place to snipe and have a dig. There was plenty of warning about that specific thread yet people blatantly ignored it.

[arista]

No, Ser Arista. I have heard great tales of your many adventures in the service of the great deity Spacedata, but you shall not strip me of my steed nor my rock. Not this day.


Good to see you Brave.


Feel The Force

[kirklancaster]

To be fair though - a couple of us DO get too involved and the editing of the thread was no different to the way that similar threads had been 'cleansed' in the past, so I don't really understand the 'umbrage' at this one.

I have had long, detailed posts removed which were 99% relevant to the thread topic but transgressed on 1%, and I have had posts removed which left those I was debating with with the 'last word', and it's not a satisfying feeling when this happens, but hey, that's life. Best to move on and all learn from this.

[arista]

http://www.tourismindiatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/thrissur-oil-bathing.jpg

TS you need to move into the TIBB Castle
for the next stage

[kirklancaster]

http://www.tourismindiatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/thrissur-oil-bathing.jpg

TS you need to move into the TIBB Castle
for the next stage

:joker:

[Niamh.]

To be fair though - a couple of us DO get too involved and the editing of the thread was no different to the way that similar threads had been 'cleansed' in the past, so I don't really understand the 'umbrage' at this one.

I have had long, detailed posts removed which were 99% relevant to the thread topic but transgressed on 1%, and I have had posts removed which left those I was debating with with the 'last word', and it's not a satisfying feeling when this happens, but hey, that's life. Best to move on and all learn from this.

That's a pretty honest post Kirk :love:

[Kizzy]

That's just the point though. That thread was closed, cleaned, reopened a warning about it and then yet again reports come in. I don't understand why you don't get that. It was discussed in admin. I closed it because it was becoming. Place to snipe and have a dig. There was plenty of warning about that specific thread yet people blatantly ignored it.

You see I see that as a 'snipe', don't insult my intelligence because I didn't agree with your decision to close that thread.
It was a serious debates thread, there was no 'having a dig' if someone thought someone was posting rubbish and commented a counter argument then that's in the main what happened...The reports were if I remember due to one member spamming newspaper articles.
It was policed and closed, that's how I saw it because that's what happened from my perspective.
Personally I didn't blatantly ignore anything.

[Toy Soldier]

Yeah I agree with Eoin, it's become a problem lately and as Ammi said as well it's stopping other people from wanting to read and contribute to the Serious debate section because it just seems to become full of the same arguments and personal attacks between the same members
I get that, but where is the line? If it's only direct insults that's fine but then you have the problem of assumed insult e.g.

"I think that UKIP is essentially a xenophobic party and many UKIP members are racist."

"But I support UKIP so you are calling me a racist! Waaah!" *report*

Or

"I think that after the 2010 elections, believing a word of the Lib Dem manifesto would be incredibly naive... "

"I am voting Lib Dem how darest thee call me naive?? I have three degrees in astuteness! I'm going to report your face into the ****ing pavement you scum sucking waste of electoral roll space!"


... Well, you see my point. I might have gotten a little carried away there.

Maybe Niamh should just create her cage as a sticky thread at the top of the forum, and then as soon as threads start to kick off, the involved members get locked into that one thread until it's over? I reckon that would actually be possible with creative usergroup permissions, it could be hilarious :joker:.

"Kirk! Kizzy! BANISHED to the cage, don't come out until it's over or one of you is dead."

[Niamh.]

I get that, but where is the line? If it's only direct insults that's fine but then you have the problem of assumed insult e.g.

"I think that UKIP is essentially a xenophobic party and many UKIP members are racist."

"But I support UKIP so you are calling me a racist! Waaah!" *report*

Or

"I think that after the 2010 elections, believing a word of the Lib Dem manifesto would be incredibly naive... "

"I am voting Lib Dem how darest thee call me naive?? I have three degrees in astuteness! I'm going to report your face into the ****ing pavement you scum sucking waste of electoral roll space!"


... Well, you see my point. I might have gotten a little carried away there.

Maybe Niamh should just create her cage as a sticky thread at the top of the forum, and then as soon as threads start to kick off, the involved members get locked into that one thread until it's over? I reckon that would actually be possible with creative usergroup permissions, it could be hilarious :joker:.

"Kirk! Kizzy! BANISHED to the cage, don't come out until it's over or one of you is dead."

That's been discussed before actually, about having a kind of "argument thread" I can see the pros and cons but I think it'd just become a place where people would go to insult eachother and maybe even people who are not involved or don't want a non moderated section

[Toy Soldier]

That's been discussed before actually, about having a kind of "argument thread" I can see the pros and cons but I think it'd just become a place where people would go to insult eachother and maybe even people who are not involved or don't want a non moderated section
Just make it clear that it's a duel. No mentioning of other parties but free reign to go at each other. But everyone else can spectate. I have to be honest, I'd just sit and read that all day long :joker:. Assuming I wasn't one of the combatants of course D:

[Niamh.]

Just make it clear that it's a duel. No mentioning of other parties but free reign to go at each other. But everyone else can spectate. I have to be honest, I'd just sit and read that all day long :joker:. Assuming I wasn't one of the combatants of course D:

:laugh:

I'm sure it's been discussed at length before, I must try and dig out the thread for you

[Kizzy]

To be fair though - a couple of us DO get too involved and the editing of the thread was no different to the way that similar threads had been 'cleansed' in the past, so I don't really understand the 'umbrage' at this one.

I have had long, detailed posts removed which were 99% relevant to the thread topic but transgressed on 1%, and I have had posts removed which left those I was debating with with the 'last word', and it's not a satisfying feeling when this happens, but hey, that's life. Best to move on and all learn from this.

You don't understand why I'm annoyed my thread was closed?
Seeing as your admittance that you and A N other member get too involved in them should address that.
Maybe it's what Ammi was referring to who knows.

[bots]

I believe the mods have employed the services of Ramsay Bolton to deal with any errant threads :worry:

[arista]

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130808024726/villains/images/f/fb/Ramsaybolton.jpg

[Niamh.]

Here you go TS, funnily enough the thread was closed :laugh:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195816&highlight=argument+thread&page=5

[kirklancaster]

That's a pretty honest post Kirk :love:

Thank you Niamh - I do try to be fair, and I do know how hard it is for you mods to have to put up with us 'opinionated' warring factions and mete out 'justice' as fairly as you can when we go too far. I - honestly - wouldn't like to have to make those decisions, kind of 'damned by some if you do, and damned by others if you don't.' :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Thank you Niamh - I do try to be fair, and I do know how hard it is for you mods to have to put up with us 'opinionated' warring factions and mete out 'justice' as fairly as you can when we go too far. I - honestly - wouldn't like to have to make those decisions, kind of 'damned by some if you do, and damned by others if you don't.' :laugh:

haha yeah, that's the truth!

[Iceman]

You see I see that as a 'snipe', don't insult my intelligence because I didn't agree with your decision to close that thread.
It was a serious debates thread, there was no 'having a dig' if someone thought someone was posting rubbish and commented a counter argument then that's in the main what happened...The reports were if I remember due to one member spamming newspaper articles.
It was policed and closed, that's how I saw it because that's what happened from my perspective.
Personally I didn't blatantly ignore anything.

If you think I was insulting your intelligence then I'm sorry for you. I clearly told you what happened. The thread was closed for good reason (discussed in admin why it should be closed). I don't know what you want from this? I've explained everything before and I'm off out now. If you want to PM me and discuss it I'll get back to you tomorrow.

[Kizzy]

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130808024726/villains/images/f/fb/Ramsaybolton.jpg

Seeing as we're all taking turns holding the 'honesty stick' today you've annoyed me probably more than anyone lately in SD Arista. The insults, the spamming, the inappropriate comments and off topic remarks.

[arista]

Here you go TS, funnily enough the thread was closed :laugh:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195816&highlight=argument+thread&page=5


Look at Rare poster Stu from that thread:

I'm all for a total cesspit of a thread or subforum where we can slag each other off for the laugh

[Niamh.]

Look at Rare poster Stu from that thread:

I'm all for a total cesspit of a thread or subforum where we can slag each other off for the laugh



I miss Stu :')

[arista]

Seeing as we're all taking turns holding the 'honesty stick' today you've annoyed me probably more than anyone lately in SD Arista. The insults, the spamming, the inappropriate comments and off topic remarks.


No he gave me a name
I got the Fecking Image


I can not spam
I can eat it though



Life In The City

[Kizzy]

If you think I was insulting your intelligence then I'm sorry for you. I clearly told you what happened. The thread was closed for good reason (discussed in admin why it should be closed). I don't know what you want from this? I've explained everything before and I'm off out now. If you want to PM me and discuss it I'll get back to you tomorrow.

You're doing it again...You're not sorry, you're sorry 'for me'.
I don't want to discuss it, I PMed Josy to explain how I felt. I just wanted to make a point that if you want to stop members sniping...don't snipe at them.

[arista]

I miss Stu :')


Yes so nice to have a change

[Kizzy]

Oh yes him, when he wasn't talking about drugs I liked him.

[Toy Soldier]

Thank you Niamh - I do try to be fair, and I do know how hard it is for you mods to have to put up with us 'opinionated' warring factions and mete out 'justice' as fairly as you can when we go too far. I - honestly - wouldn't like to have to make those decisions, kind of 'damned by some if you do, and damned by others if you don't.' [emoji23]
It is genuinely not much fun after a while. Me and my wife owned and ran a forum (a parenting forum) of a similar size to TiBB for 3 years and eventually just gave it up, because it had simply become a chore and not enjoyable, and it was very low on active moderation and one completely unmoderated heated debates subforum. We trusted people to sort things out for themselves in time. With mixed results, to be fair, but it mostly worked quite well. Mostly.... lol.

I miss the "tech" side of running a forum, I really enjoyed messing around with the code and inventing my own stupid BBcodes and add-ons, but I do not miss the moderation side at all. The staff-only subforum got really bitchy at times... I wonder what's said about all of us in the tibby staff forum? :joker:

[Iceman]

It is genuinely not much fun after a while. Me and my wife owned and ran a forum (a parenting forum) of a similar size to TiBB for 3 years and eventually just gave it up, because it had simply become a chore and not enjoyable, and it was very low on active moderation.

I miss the "tech" side of running a forum, I really enjoyed messing around with the code and inventing my own stupid BBcodes and add-one, but I do not miss the moderation side at all. The staff-only subforum got really bitchy at times... I wonder what's said about all of us in the tibby staff forum? :joker:

:laugh:

Not a thing :wink:

[Kizzy]

I can hear furniture being thrown and glass breaking in the towers as we speak :hehe:

[kirklancaster]

You don't understand why I'm annoyed my thread was closed?
Seeing as your admittance that you and A N other member get too involved in them should address that.
Maybe it's what Ammi was referring to who knows.

:shrug: Calm down woman, I didn't even address my post to you - I was making a comment in general reply.

The emboldened text is - undoubtedly - a thinly veiled skit at me for no reason - but I am now in that all too familiar situation where I cannot defend my stance or really respond to you without aggravating the situation.

But to be honest here - you yourself started to turn that thread nasty for no reason when I posted:

Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post

"Your response does NOT address the points in my post which you are responding to."

And I wrote the above because your response GENUINELY did not address it and you were just making irrelevant comments. However; you responded - quite nastily for no reason - with:

"I responded to the relevant element. If you don't understand my post I'm not sure how I can simplify it any more without pictures."

Which is personal, deliberately demeaning and insults my intelligence.

And because I have learnt from similar incidents when I HAVE got drawn in and ended up infracted and banned, and because I did not want the thread to descend into the usual chaotic verbal slugfest (which is the direction it was going anyway) I reported you.

Whether that is solely what caused the thread to be closed or whether it was simply a contributory factor I don't know, and I don't really care.

If the mods decision was to close the thread then that's the mods decision and we all have to accept it.

Sorry.

[Toy Soldier]

If this thread gets closed or deleted I think it might technically qualify as "art".

[Niamh.]

It is genuinely not much fun after a while. Me and my wife owned and ran a forum (a parenting forum) of a similar size to TiBB for 3 years and eventually just gave it up, because it had simply become a chore and not enjoyable, and it was very low on active moderation and one completely unmoderated heated debates subforum. We trusted people to sort things out for themselves in time. With mixed results, to be fair, but it mostly worked quite well. Mostly.... lol.

I miss the "tech" side of running a forum, I really enjoyed messing around with the code and inventing my own stupid BBcodes and add-ons, but I do not miss the moderation side at all. The staff-only subforum got really bitchy at times... I wonder what's said about all of us in the tibby staff forum? :joker:

:fan:

[Toy Soldier]

If a thread gets deleted and no one is around to post in it, does it make a sound? These are the eternal questions.

[Kyle]

... I wonder what's said about all of us in the tibby staff forum? :joker:

This is the first page threads of the mods subforum;

Kirk and Toy soldier in serious debates help?
Kirk and Toy soldier in serious debates again
Spamming gifs
Am I allowed to ban leather trumpet for no reason?
Look at pictures of my dog
Which member do you hate the most?
Ffs Kirk and Toy soldier in serious debates do I ban?
Hey I'm Josy how you all doin?
The weaves multi spotting megathread
I've had just about enough of Kirk and Toy soldier in serious debates I quit

[kirklancaster]

If this thread gets closed or deleted I think it might technically qualify as "art".

:joker: You are definitely in a very rich vein of witty form T.S.

[Toy Soldier]

This is the first page threads of the mods subforum;

Kirk and Toy soldier in serious debates help?
Kirk and Toy soldier in serious debates again
Spamming gifs
Am I allowed to ban leather trumpet for no reason?
Look at pictures of my dog
Which member do you hate the most?
Ffs Kirk and Toy soldier in serious debates do I ban?
Hey I'm Josy how you all doin?
The weaves multi spotting megathread
I've had just about enough of Kirk and Toy soldier in serious debates I quit
Needs more attention focused on gif spam :hmph:. Whatever is being done, it's not working!

[kirklancaster]

This is the first page threads of the mods subforum;

Kirk and Toy soldier in serious debates help?
Kirk and Toy soldier in serious debates again
Spamming gifs
Am I allowed to ban leather trumpet for no reason?
Look at pictures of my dog
Which member do you hate the most?
Ffs Kirk and Toy soldier in serious debates do I ban?
Hey I'm Josy how you all doin?
The weaves multi spotting megathread
I've had just about enough of Kirk and Toy soldier in serious debates I quit

:laugh: At least if we're being discussed Kyle we're not being ignored. :joker:

[Kizzy]

:shrug: Calm down woman, I didn't even address my post to you - I was making a comment in general reply.

The emboldened text is - undoubtedly - a thinly veiled skit at me for no reason - but I am now in that all too familiar situation where I cannot defend my stance or really respond to you without aggravating the situation.

But to be honest here - you yourself started to turn that thread nasty for no reason when I posted:

Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post

Your response does NOT address the points in my post which you are responding to.

Because it GENUINELY did not address it and you were just making irrelevant comments. However; you responded - quite nastily for no reason - with:

"I responded to the relevant element. If you don't understand my post I'm not sure how I can simplify it any more without pictures."

Which is personal, deliberately demeaning and insults my intelligence.

And because I have learnt from similar incidents when I HAVE got drawn in and ended up infracted and banned, and because I did not want the thread to descend into the usual chaotic verbal slugfest (which is the direction it was going anyway) I reported you.

Whether that is solely what caused the thread to be closed or whether it was simply a contributory factor I don't know, and I don't really care.

If the mods decision was to close the thread then that's the mods decision and we all have to accept it.

Sorry.

I didn't get past the 1st sentence of this sorry.
I won't be responding to any mocking posts.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If this thread gets closed or deleted I think it might technically qualify as "art".

:joker::joker::joker:

[Kyle]

:laugh: At least if we're being discussed Kyle we're not being ignored :joker:

shots fired :(:(:(

[kirklancaster]

I didn't get past the 1st sentence of this sorry.
I won't be responding to any mocking posts.

:shrug: What 'mocking' post?????

Come on Kizzy - really? What mocking post? It's not a mocking post - it's a valid response to your invalid post to me, and it is explanatory in nature NOT mocking. :shrug:

Oh - I just noticed that you have emboldened the first sentence; "Calm down woman" but if that's what you're taking umbrage at can I point out please, that you do need to calm down and you ARE a woman.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Seeing as we're all taking turns holding the 'honesty stick' today you've annoyed me probably more than anyone lately in SD Arista. The insults, the spamming, the inappropriate comments and off topic remarks.

Exactly

That's my role not his

:hmph:

[kirklancaster]

Exactly

That's my role not his

:hmph:

:laugh2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

What is disappointing is that we are 4 pages into this thread and noone has dragged Marsh

I mean what is Tibb coming to??

[Kyle]

What is disappointing is that we are 4 pages into this thread and noone has dragged Marsh

I mean what is Tibb coming to??

Marsh is in with the chat thread lads now so if we give him some grief he'll bring his lads over from chat and games and it'll get pwopa nawty :fist:

[Kizzy]

:shrug: What 'mocking' post?????

Come on Kizzy - really? What mocking post? It's not a mocking post - it's a valid response to your invalid post to me, and it is explanatory in nature NOT mocking. :shrug:

:joker: you're like a forum poltergeist throwing accusations around, post your comments to me on that thread and remember your sunday school teachings, take the plank out of your own eye kirk.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker: you're like a forum poltergeist throwing accusations around, post your comments to me on that thread and remember your sunday school teachings, take the plank out of your own eye kirk.

:omgno: are you calling Kirk a planker?

[Kyle]

Nobody puts Kizzy in a corner.

[Kizzy]

You don't want my marshy coming in here.... He'll have the lot of ya :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

You don't want my marshy coming in here.... He'll have the lot of ya :idc:

not kizzy flirting inadvertently on purpose with marsh again?

[Crimson Dynamo]

hang on

this thread is now the lounge for serious debates

how did that happen?

:think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

how are we all today?

[kirklancaster]

not kizzy flirting inadvertently on purpose with marsh again?

Desperate times call for desperate measures (in Marsh's case a really tidgie lickle measure):laugh:

[Niamh.]

on a completely different note I just read Kizzys User title as #Milfanddom

[Kyle]

hang on

this thread is now the lounge for serious debates

how did that happen?

:think:

Shut up Ffs if you wanna get your digs in get them in now, it's your only chance. :nono:

[kirklancaster]

Nobody puts Kizzy in a corner.

:laugh: Not without a chair in one hand, a whip in the other, and a 'Head Keeper's' peaked cap on. :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

on a completely different note I just read Kizzys User title as #Milfanddom

yes it made me feel all funny


:fan:

[kirklancaster]

on a completely different note I just read Kizzys User title as #Milfanddom

:joker:

[Kyle]

Desperate times call for desperate measures (in Marsh's case a really tidgie lickle measure):laugh:

Not heard that in years haha what a word. :dance:

[Kyle]

:laugh: Not without a chair in one hand, a whip in the other, and a 'Head Keeper's' peaked cap on. :laugh:

Have you been reading my fan fiction again :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh god i just googled it and its not milf and dom

its some milliband thing

:fist:


i was hoping she had gone to the dark side

and was a milf

[kirklancaster]

Have you been reading my fan fiction again :hehe:

:joker::joker: Yep. :laugh:

[arista]

You don't want my marshy coming in here.... He'll have the lot of ya :idc:


Yes Marsh should stretch is legs
over here


He needs Love

[kirklancaster]

oh god i just googled it and its not milf and dom

its some milliband thing

:fist:


i was hoping she had gone to the dark side

and was a milf

:joker: Sounds like two kids TV presenters.

[Kyle]

Yes Marsh should stretch is legs
over here


He needs Love

Stay on topic please

[Kizzy]

not kizzy flirting inadvertently on purpose with marsh again?

Er.... he's like half my age :umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Er.... he's like half my age :umm2:

I know what cougars are like

:fist: I have the interweb

[Kizzy]

on a completely different note I just read Kizzys User title as #Milfanddom

What should it be #mmmsexymrbrand :laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

[emoji23] Not without a chair in one hand, a whip in the other, and a 'Head Keeper's' peaked cap on. [emoji23]
Ffs, does EVERY ONE know how to get into Niamh's Fetishes Subforum?

[kirklancaster]

I know what cougars are like

:fist: I have the interweb

Cougar"! - That's why nobody puts Kizzy into a corner. :laugh:

[Kyle]

Er.... he's like half my age :umm2:

So you're 22?

[Kizzy]

I know what cougars are like

:fist: I have the interweb

I'm sorry you want kaz for that I'm just your average flea bitten mog.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So you're 22?

:hehe:

[Toy Soldier]

Cougar"! - That's why nobody puts Kizzy into a corner. [emoji23]
Anyone who could realistically cougar you is already dead, kirk :(

[kirklancaster]

Ffs, does EVERY ONE know how to get into Niamh's Fetishes Subforum?

:joker:

This is THE best thread you've ever started T.S. - but **** knows where the original thread topic went? :joker:

[kirklancaster]

Anyone who could realistically cougar you is already dead, kirk :(

:laugh: Cheeky twot.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Anyone who could realistically cougar you is already dead, kirk :(

:joker::joker::joker:

[kirklancaster]

So you're 22?

FFS :joker::joker::joker:

[Kyle]

Anyone who could realistically cougar you is already dead, kirk :(

Oooooooooooooh Toy soldier unleashes the broadside :hehe:

[kirklancaster]

Kizzy with all us men. :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Anyone who could realistically cougar you is already dead, kirk :(

How dare you insult my sexy bast kirky!
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=9885,filename=mother.jpg

[arista]

Stay on topic please


Topic "Race"
yes very slippery

Topic "Immigration"
"Sticky and Mucky"


Topic "Foreign Policy"
"biased as hell"

[kirklancaster]

Topic "Race"
yes very slippery

Topic "Immigration
"Sticky and Mucky"


Foreign Policy
"biased as hell"

True Arista, very true.:laugh:

[Kizzy]

Kizzy with all us men. :laugh:

men?.... where?

[Kyle]

Kizzy with all us men. :laugh:

Men and leather trumpet

[Crimson Dynamo]

men?.... where?

i saw one earlier :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Men and leather trumpet

yes as I am a gentleman

:hmph:

[Kyle]

Topic "Race"
yes very slippery

Topic "Immigration"
"Sticky and Mucky"


Topic "Foreign Policy"
"biased as hell"

You are most wise Master Yoda

[Toy Soldier]

very slippery

Sticky and Mucky

That's all I actually read. This thread has gone to the dogs.

[kirklancaster]

That's all I actually read. This thread has gone to the dogs.

Bung me a tenner on Trap 5. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

men?.... where?

Well.... OK then Kizzy with Kyle.:laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

Bung me a tenner on Trap 5. [emoji23]
Who is in Trap 5? You should name them on the slip, otherwise if they get pulled you might end up with a reserve from Chat and Games D:

#ObscureGamblingHumour

[Kyle]

Well.... OK then Kizzy with Kyle.:laugh:

She had me at hello

[Toy Soldier]

She had me at hello
BANISHED to the cage! Don't come out until it's over or one of you is dead.

[Niamh.]

What should it be #mmmsexymrbrand :laugh:

#sexythor would be better or #sexymrbaker :think:

[kirklancaster]

Who is in Trap 5? You should name them on the slip, otherwise if they get pulled you might end up with a reserve from Chat and Games D:

#ObscureGamblingHumour

:laugh: Humour I get.

[Kazanne]

how are we all today?

:joker: what's for lunch

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker: what's for lunch

milf on toast

:evilgrin:

[kirklancaster]

:joker: what's for lunch

Hi Kaz,

Been waiting for you to bring up immigration or religion - this thread's far too amicable. :joker:

[Kizzy]

She had me at hello

We'll always have tinsel town :hehe:

[Kyle]

BANISHED to the cage! Don't come out until it's over or one of you is dead.

So long world :bawling:

[Kazanne]

Hi Kaz,

Been waiting for you to bring up immigration or religion - this thread's far too amicable. :joker:

It's LTs fault,he's far too friendly today,I think he's become a Christian:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's LTs fault,he's far too friendly today,I think he's become a Christian:hehe:

:omgno:

[Kizzy]

It's LTs fault,he's far too friendly today,I think he's become a Christian:hehe:

A farage hating Christian...

[Kazanne]

milf on toast

:evilgrin:

:dance: I like mine slightly black:hehe:

[Toy Soldier]

immigration or religion

They go together...
Like rama lamma lamma ka dinga da dinga doing. Remembered forever as shoobop sha wadda wadda yippity boom de boom. Chang chang changitty chang shoobop, that's the way it should be, wha ooohhhh, yeah.

So long as they do it in their own country and not over here anyway! :hmph:

[Kyle]

We'll always have tinsel town :hehe:

:smug:

Oh the things that happened there :smug:

[Kazanne]

A farage hating Christian...

:joker: I hope he's not listening Kizzy:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/media/2013/May/startrek/KirkSurprise.gif

[Northern Monkey]

This thread needs cleaning up and atleast 10 posts deleting *mods!:laugh:

[Niamh.]

This thread needs cleaning up and atleast 10 posts deleting *mods!:laugh:

I'm not touching it for fear of being lynched :hehe:

[Kyle]

This thread needs cleaning up and atleast 10 posts deleting *mods!:laugh:

Name and shame them.









I'm sure Kizzy wouldn't mind you pointing out her bad posts :hehe:

[Kizzy]

If you open the KH one you can close this.... :smug:

[Northern Monkey]

Name and shame them.









I'm sure Kizzy wouldn't mind you pointing out her bad posts :hehe:

I value my life too much.I'm not that brave a man:joker:

[Kyle]

Hey guys can I ask you what your favourite avenger is?

There's

Iron man
The Hulk
Spider-man
captain America
Black Widow
Hawkeye

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hey guys can I ask you what your favourite avenger is?

There's

Iron man
The Hulk
Spider-man
captain America
Black Widow
Hawkeye

i like the gay icon one thor

[Kizzy]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ef/3d/6b/ef3d6b82f73e54bfbffb4e07ff0e4ac9.jpg

[Kyle]

I value my life too much.I'm not that brave a man:joker:

:laugh:

Smart man. There used to be a poster called Morsh but he called out Kizzy and we never saw him again :worry:

[Niamh.]

Hey guys can I ask you what your favourite avenger is?

There's

Iron man
The Hulk
Spider-man
captain America
Black Widow
Hawkeye

so tempted to delete this post :fan:

[Kyle]

i like the gay icon one thor

Who is Thor is he like a side character or something? :shrug:

[kirklancaster]

It's LTs fault,he's far too friendly today,I think he's become a Christian:hehe:

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[Kyle]

so tempted to delete this post :fan:

Help help I'm being opressed

[Crimson Dynamo]

Who is Thor is he like a side character or something? :shrug:

he is played by simon baker, him from that awful breaking bad:shrug:

[kirklancaster]

so tempted to delete this post :fan:

:laugh: Give in to your temptation Niamh - Do it.:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:laugh: Give in to your temptation Niamh - Do it.:joker:

:nono: reported

[Kizzy]

:laugh:

Smart man. There used to be a poster called Morsh but he called out Kizzy and we never saw him again :worry:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b5/24/d2/b524d29692fcc3cd9fba31648838a7f3.jpg

[Kizzy]

Help help I'm being opressed

http://hellogiggles.hellogiggles.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/28/Doctor-is-In-Lucy-Peanuts.jpg

[Kyle]

Peanuts<<<<<<<<<Garfield :idc:

[Kizzy]

Peanuts<<<<<<<<<Garfield :idc:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Lucy_KOs_Linus.jpg

[Kyle]

Yeh I think you'd make a good Lucy :laugh:

[Kizzy]

I used to have a massive poster of her in my room as a kid :joker:

[Kyle]

I used to have a massive poster of her in my room as a kid :joker:

:laugh: Who was the lad she used to fancy? The one who was always on the piano, Linus?

[Kizzy]

shroeder, linus was her brother :laugh:

[Kyle]

shroeder, linus was her brother :laugh:

Oh yeh that's right he had the security blanket :laugh:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/24/08/27E9694200000578-3052619-image-a-1_1429860456680.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/24/08/27E9694200000578-3052619-image-a-1_1429860456680.jpg

they forgot to add mothers in law

[Vicky.]

We are a LOT more lenient in the serious debates forum than we are anywhere else, because of the nature of..a serious debate. We do understand that it sometimes getsb heated however many threads remain untouched despite becoming extremely heated

The problem comes when the posts become borderline (or actually racist)...and then we have to delete them, and then obviously other posts that quoted the deleted post, or posts that followed because without the offending post, the rest of it wouldn't make sense. When this happens, posts that otherwise are fine get deleted because without the deleted stuff it doesn't follow the discussion and would be confusing to people just reading the thread who hadn't seen all the hassle before deletion, if this makes sense.

Also we don't delete/ban/whatever simply because a post has been deleted, however, when one thread has a load of reports coming from it, from loads of different users, then you have a problem. Its obviously offending a lot of people with the direction its gone in, or the direction it was intended to go in.

In short, no threads like that aren't always going to be 'pruned'. And a great way to stop this happening (and I know this is hard, I have been known to reply to stuff I know I shouldn't before) is if you see a post that will obviously take the thread in the wrong direction or is outright offensive, completely ignore it (posting wise) and report it. This way when we deal with the report, if people have just ignored it, we wont have to delete huge chunks of conversation.

[Vicky.]

Oh, I didnt realize this had descended into innuendos and banal chit chat. As you were :idc:

[Niamh.]

:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh, I didnt realize this had descended into innuendos and banal chit chat. As you were :idc:

:fist: GET OUT

this is the knitting club tearoom

[arista]

:fist: GET OUT

this is the knitting club tearoom


http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n312/canarysanctuary/sexyknitterbanner.png

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker:

[Kyle]

Arista which one would you like to take on a date?

[Kyle]

You can get busy with the Kizzy
Or have some spam with Kazanne
Or spike Cherie's Cherie
Have leather trumpets...er...leather trumpet
Let Kirk show you his first commandment
Or have a nice debate with toy soldier before going to the fare and letting him win you a goldfish

[Kizzy]

Oh, I didnt realize this had descended into innuendos and banal chit chat. As you were :idc:

Hey I can crank it up a notch if you like?.... :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hey I can crank it up a notch if you like?.... :hehe:

thats what she said

[Cherie]

It's quite funny that alot of the people agreeing with you are the people who are always reporting posts from these threads........how do we win that one? :think:

I've never reported a serious debate post :nono:

[Niamh.]

I've never reported a serious debate post :nono:

I never said you did :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've never reported a serious debate post :nono:

i only do kirks, kizzy, TS, Josy, Arista, Nedusa, Girth and Rose

so not sure who neem is on about?

:think:

[Cherie]

So you're 22?

:joker:

[Cherie]

I never said you did :nono:

Just wanted to clear it up as I had posted earlier in the thread, as I say i love the battle rounds :laugh:

[Kizzy]

i only do kirks, kizzy, TS, Josy, Arista, Nedusa, Girth and Rose

so not sure who neem is on about?

:think:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4a/c8/53/4ac853cb2ea484300732728b42786ed0.jpg
You report my posts?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4a/c8/53/4ac853cb2ea484300732728b42786ed0.jpg
You report my posts?

reported



:hehe:

[Cherie]

Oh, I didnt realize this had descended into innuendos and banal chit chat. As you were :idc:

:joker:

[Kizzy]

We are a LOT more lenient in the serious debates forum than we are anywhere else, because of the nature of..a serious debate. We do understand that it sometimes getsb heated however many threads remain untouched despite becoming extremely heated

The problem comes when the posts become borderline (or actually racist)...and then we have to delete them, and then obviously other posts that quoted the deleted post, or posts that followed because without the offending post, the rest of it wouldn't make sense. When this happens, posts that otherwise are fine get deleted because without the deleted stuff it doesn't follow the discussion and would be confusing to people just reading the thread who hadn't seen all the hassle before deletion, if this makes sense.

Also we don't delete/ban/whatever simply because a post has been deleted, however, when one thread has a load of reports coming from it, from loads of different users, then you have a problem. Its obviously offending a lot of people with the direction its gone in, or the direction it was intended to go in.

In short, no threads like that aren't always going to be 'pruned'. And a great way to stop this happening (and I know this is hard, I have been known to reply to stuff I know I shouldn't before) is if you see a post that will obviously take the thread in the wrong direction or is outright offensive, completely ignore it (posting wise) and report it. This way when we deal with the report, if people have just ignored it, we wont have to delete huge chunks of conversation.

Out of interest would you have closed the KH thread?

[Vicky.]

Out of interest would you have closed the KH thread?

Yup. Especially as it has already been mass cleaned once then it all started again :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Yup. Especially as it has already been mass cleaned once then it all started again :laugh:

Yes, the thread descended in my absence then when I asked for it to be opened the offensive comments resumed. It's unfair on OPs especially of ongoing topics in serious debates that threads are closed due to personal remarks.
At times it seems it's the sole intention to not add to the debate but merely derail or close it.

[kirklancaster]

You can get busy with the Kizzy
Or have some spam with Kazanne
Or spike Cherie's Cherie
Have leather trumpets...er...leather trumpet
Let Kirk show you his first commandment
Or have a nice debate with toy soldier before going to the fare and letting him win you a goldfish

:joker::joker:

[Marsh.]

Why is my name popping up in this thread? :suspect:

[Vicky.]

Apparently you are just...too relevant :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why is my name popping up in this thread? :suspect:

:nono: you did not get dragged until page 4

must be some sort of tibb record?

:think:

[Marsh.]

Envy is green. :hmph:

[empire]

how many people are on food banks in this country, immigration will not improve are country, one bit, are leaders care more for outsiders than the people who are on low wages, and are paying bills that rise every day of the week, do you think middle class families would live next door to refugees, no, britain needs to look out for its own people, rather than making them pay high taxes to fund people to cross over into italy,

[Kizzy]

I give up.

[Kyle]

I give up.

Lucy would never give up :nono:

[Toy Soldier]

We are a LOT more lenient in the serious debates forum than we are anywhere else, because of the nature of..a serious debate. We do understand that it sometimes getsb heated however many threads remain untouched despite becoming extremely heated

The problem comes when the posts become borderline (or actually racist)...and then we have to delete them, and then obviously other posts that quoted the deleted post, or posts that followed because without the offending post, the rest of it wouldn't make sense. When this happens, posts that otherwise are fine get deleted because without the deleted stuff it doesn't follow the discussion and would be confusing to people just reading the thread who hadn't seen all the hassle before deletion, if this makes sense.

Also we don't delete/ban/whatever simply because a post has been deleted, however, when one thread has a load of reports coming from it, from loads of different users, then you have a problem. Its obviously offending a lot of people with the direction its gone in, or the direction it was intended to go in.

In short, no threads like that aren't always going to be 'pruned'. And a great way to stop this happening (and I know this is hard, I have been known to reply to stuff I know I shouldn't before) is if you see a post that will obviously take the thread in the wrong direction or is outright offensive, completely ignore it (posting wise) and report it. This way when we deal with the report, if people have just ignored it, we wont have to delete huge chunks of conversation.
I do understand the reasoning, I know that other members less cut out for the trenches of the SD threads that really get kicking also have to be considered and not just us loudmouthes who get off on spikey debate :joker:.

However I can't really get on bored with the "ignore and report" philosophy. The whole point of debate is to try your damnedest to change people's opinions, especially if you find them ugly (the opinions, not the people :hehe: ) and you can't do that if you refuse to respond to those opinions. Even worse if they get deleted really - feeling shut down or "forced" to keep those opinions to themselves just makes people incredulous, righteous, and cements those opinions in them. Pushes them down to sit quietly and fester and become even more toxic.

Obviously not the forum's responsibility but it is why I'll most likely have to avoid certain threads I think. I can't see things and not reply, I'd probably implode or something :(. And I certainly won't be reporting anything. Ew.

[Toy Soldier]

Lucy would never give up :nono:
Not true. I heard that in the lesser known "college years" sequel, she tapped out on Charlie Brown when they finally got down to it. "Because it's like a butternut squash".

[Vicky.]

I understand that completely. However thats why huge chunks of threads get deleted, as those with offensive views (or who put them across badly) are in effect 'taken on'..and then we see a post that needs deleted and we have to delete everything along those lines.

I don't really see it as wasted posts, as those who were originally involved in the convo, still had that convo...if that makes sense. Its a bit like having a debate in real life, it still happened even though theres no record of it. I don't know if I'm putting my point across well here, but I know what I mean :laugh:

Honestly, if I was a member I don't think I could ignore and report either. So its probably much better for me that I was made a mod as early as I was and HAD to learn to do that...otherwise I would probably be banned more often than most :tongue:

[Kizzy]

I understand that completely. However thats why huge chunks of threads get deleted, as those with offensive views (or who put them across badly) are in effect 'taken on'..and then we see a post that needs deleted and we have to delete everything along those lines.

I don't really see it as wasted posts, as those who were originally involved in the convo, still had that convo...if that makes sense. Its a bit like having a debate in real life, it still happened even though theres no record of it. I don't know if I'm putting my point across well here, but I know what I mean :laugh:

Honestly, if I was a member I don't think I could ignore and report either. So its probably much better for me that I was made a mod as early as I was and HAD to learn to do that...otherwise I would probably be banned more often than most :tongue:

Now that's honest, I get where you're coming from thankyou for Explaining it. I'm still wary of making threads in SD now though as if it does go pear shaped and I report it runs a real risk of being closed, wiped I can deal with as you know the stance of a few but there's no room for the thread to progress as with something that is constantly being updated in the media if it's closed.
I thought I'd learnt not to bite too, I am better than I was you must admit :laugh: but at times...... gah!!!

[Kizzy]

Why is my name popping up in this thread? :suspect:

Oh... now he poles up! only hours late... pfffft.

[Cherie]

Oh... now he poles up! only hours late... pfffft.

We managed fine without him :smug:

[Kyle]

We managed fine without him :smug:

Didn't you erm appear around the same time as him :think:

[Josy]

There's not really much I can add tbh without repeating what Vicky, Nimah and Eoin has already said.

I completely understand how frustrating it can be if you have taken the time to be part of a debate, typed up long replies with your opinion then come back to find the thread removed, the thing is though, if we do get to the point where a thread needs closed (and we do try our best not to close them btw) and we do close it whilst leaving any argumentative/offending comments, we still tend to get reports over and over about them (yes even though the thread is closed) also as others have said (I think it was Ammi?) some members don't always have heated debates in here but they still read the threads and take part occasionally and when the threads are filled with the same people having the same aimed arguments like has been happening constantly lately hence the announcement about it at the top of this section it gets tedious for them to even read through and further deters them from taking part. (We have actually had reports and messages from members saying/complaining about this)

I know there was a thread the other day where some members were pissed off at comments being removed but they were removed as they were offensive or they were in reply to or quoting those posts, even though it's serious debates we still wont allow posts like that to remain, so to answer the question in the OP, no, threads wont get closed as soon as they become a little heated, but when comments that are discriminatory/offensive are being posted or members are sniping/baiting even after the thread has already been cleaned up with offending posts dealt with then yes that's when the threads will be closed/deleted, heated debate is perfectly fine but keeping the discussion civil and respectful is still expected otherwise the threads turn into a complete mess.

Kizzy...your thread was given plenty of chance, the thread was closed and cleaned, posts and members were dealt with yet still the sniping and numerous reports continued, making the debate redundant in our opinion.

[Marsh.]

Is bullying allowed in serious debates? :think:

[Kizzy]

So what was the solution, ignore the sniping and wait for a mod to notice and close the thread or report it and get the thread closed straight away?
I sent you the posts, what should I have done in that instance, whatever happened the thread was going to be closed.
It sound a bit rich for people who aren't even involved in the debate to be reacting to it, I'm skitted at for reporting posts I'm directly involved with and yet there's a whole behind the scenes reporting culture of people who just oppose from afar :/

[Kizzy]

Is bullying allowed in serious debates? :think:

Bul is and lying is so.... yeah :joker:

[GiRTh]

how many people are on food banks in this country, immigration will not improve are country, one bit, are leaders care more for outsiders than the people who are on low wages, and are paying bills that rise every day of the week, do you think middle class families would live next door to refugees, no, britain needs to look out for its own people, rather than making them pay high taxes to fund people to cross over into italy,WTF

[Josy]

So what was the solution, ignore the sniping and wait for a mod to notice and close the thread or report it and get the thread closed straight away?
I sent you the posts, what should I have done in that instance, whatever happened the thread was going to be closed.
It sound a bit rich for people who aren't even involved in the debate to be reacting to it, I'm skitted at for reporting posts I'm directly involved with and yet there's a whole behind the scenes reporting culture of people who just oppose from afar :/

Ignore the posts yes because a mod wouldn't have closed the thread had the discussion been moving along as normal AND there would have been no reports.

The solution for us was the thread was at an end and was closed, you being partly to blame for that btw.

And no it isn't a bit rich for people not involved to report. If they want to take part in a thread and get to the most recent posts and see it's just the usual bickering it ruins the thread for them.

[Marsh.]

Bul is and lying is so.... yeah :joker:

:joker:

[Kizzy]

Ignore the posts yes because a mod wouldn't have closed the thread had the discussion been moving along as normal AND there would have been no reports.

The solution for us was the thread was at an end and was closed, you being partly to blame for that btw.

And no it isn't a bit rich for people not involved to report. If they want to take part in a thread and get to the most recent posts and see it's just the usual bickering it ruins the thread for them.

So you say ignore and vicky says report... :/

'if you see a post that will obviously take the thread in the wrong direction or is outright offensive, completely ignore it (posting wise) and report it.'

Yes I reported a post as I've been advised by you and others in the past, had I known it would get the thread closed I might not have done.
The thread was not at an end as the story is still ongoing and the bigotry that it uncovered in this forum is evident.
(by the FMs in that thread)

So basically if someone doesn't want to participate in a thread they can just sit there pressing report ad get it closed?

[Josy]

So you say ignore and vicky says report... :/

'if you see a post that will obviously take the thread in the wrong direction or is outright offensive, completely ignore it (posting wise) and report it.'

Yes I reported a post as I've been advised by you and others in the past, had I known it would get the thread closed I might not have done.
The thread was not at an end as the story is still ongoing and the bigotry that it uncovered in this forum is still evident.

So basically if someone doesn't want to participate in a thread they can just sit there pressing report ad get it closed?

It wasn't just reports that got the thread closed Kizzy. And the people reporting certainly were NOT reporting and ignoring post wise were they?

The discussion was at an end in that thread for the exact reasons you have been told numerous times, you already have another similar thread.

And no that's not what I said at all about people reporting since someone 'just sitting there pressing report' would be spamming the report system.

[Marsh.]

Calm down girls.

[Kizzy]

It wasn't just reports that got the thread closed Kizzy. And the people reporting certainly were NOT reporting and ignoring post wise were they?

The discussion was at an end in that thread for the exact reasons you have been told numerous times, you already have another similar thread.

And no that's not what I said at all about people reporting since someone 'just sitting there pressing report' would be spamming the report system.

Right, I will report and ignore but it's very very hard!
It practically goes against every fibre of my being, you don't appreciate my sacrifices.

[Cherie]

Didn't you erm appear around the same time as him :think:


Yes :laugh:

[Marsh.]

My posts bring all of the girls to serious debates because damn right, they're better than yours...

[billy123]

Bloody hell are you lot still banging on about LT getting overexcited the other day http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h415/Stoltzpus/Decorated%20images/Smilies%20and%20GIFs/smiley_wink_zps0f941baf.gif

[Ammi]

My posts bring all of the girls to serious debates because damn right, they're better than yours...

...la la la la la, hush it up..la la la la la, the mods are infracting...

[Northern Monkey]

Well i can honestly say that i've never reported a post in my whole time on here and would'nt unless it was a direct threat to me.Being offended is part of life imo.I may not agree with everyone but who does?I think debating is basically just arguing by another name.Which is a good thing to get things off your chest and imo should be allowed to flow freely unless somebody is personally attacked.IMO.

[Marsh.]

...la la la la la, hush it up..la la la la la, the mods are infracting...

:joker: