Real poltergeist proof or hokum?

[kirklancaster]

In 1977 a small house in Enfield, London made newspaper headlines worldwide when it became the source of an unexplained supernatural phenomena. It would become the most documented paranormal event ever recorded in the UK with 30 eyewitnesses, all observing one truly terrifying story.

Documented by journalist Guy Lyon Playfair in his book This House Is Haunted, the bizarre and frightening events that were to unfold in this seemingly normal residence centred around the Hodgson family and investigator Maurice Grosse, member of the Society for Psychical Research.

With sceptics and believers alike intrigued by this case, the question still remains: was this a true entity of the unexplained, or could the alleged poltergeist activity be blamed on more human interventions?

http://features.sky.com/enfield-haunting/media/enfield-jumping-2-lr_junxxvn.jpg

IS SHE JUST JUMPING?

http://features.sky.com/enfield-haunting/?utm_source=Taboola&utm_medium=Content%20Seeding%20Article&utm_content=CURRENT%20AFFAIRS&utm_campaign=Enfield%20Haunting%20Traffic%20Drivin g%20

[Jake.]

I find the whole story about it fascinating and it'll be good to see how it's re-told

[arista]

Why is the other kid not bothered?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bay City Rollers and David Soul posters

:flutter:

[kirklancaster]

Bay City Rollers and David Soul posters

:flutter:

Yeah - 'Bye Bye Baby, Baby Good byeeeeee' Oh those white trews trimmed with tartan. :laugh:

[smudgie]

If you are going to have twin beds, no matter how awful, at least have them matching.

[kirklancaster]

If you are going to have twin beds, no matter how awful, at least have them matching.

:laugh2: Must not be 'identical' twins Smudgie :laugh:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

American magician Milbourne Christopher investigated, failed to observe anything that could be called paranormal, and was dismayed by what he felt was suspicious activity on the part of Janet. Christopher would later conclude that "the poltergeist was nothing more than the antics of a little girl who wanted to cause trouble and who was very, very, clever."[

Skeptic Joe Nickell has criticized paranormal investigators for being overly credulous: when a supposedly disembodied demonic voice was heard, Playfair noted that, “as always Janet’s lips hardly seemed to be moving.” Nickell wrote that a tape recorder malfunction that Grosse attributed to supernatural activity and psychologist and president of the Society for Psychical Research David Fontana described as an occurrence "which appeared to defy the laws of mechanics" was merely a peculiar threading jam common to older model reel to reel tape recorders. Nickell noted that the supposed poltergeist "tended to act only when it was not being watched" and concluded that the incidents were best explained as children’s pranks. According to Nickell:

"Time and again in other 'poltergeist' outbreaks, witnesses have reported an object leaping from its resting place supposedly on its own, when it is likely that the perpetrator had secretly obtained the object sometime earlier and waited for an opportunity to fling it, even from outside the room—thus supposedly proving he or she was innocent."

Nickell states that a remote-controlled still camera (the photographer was not present in the room with the girls) timed to take a picture every 15 seconds that supposedly “recorded poltergeist activity on moving film for the first time” was shown by investigator Melvin Harris to reveal the girl's pranks. A photo allegedly depicting Janet "levitating" in mid air actually shows her bouncing on the bed as if it were a trampoline. Harris called the photos examples of common “gymnastics,” and said “It’s worth remembering that Janet was a school sports champion!” Nickell also wrote that demonologist Ed Warren was "notorious for exaggerating and even making up incidents in such cases, often transforming a "haunting” case into one of “demonic possession.” In an interview with the Daily Mail, the adult Janet admitted that she and her sister had faked "2 percent" of the phenomena, prompting Nickell to comment, "the evidence suggests that this figure is closer to 100 percent." :hehe:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enfield_Poltergeist

[user104658]

I don't believe in ghosts but I am open to the idea of "anomalies" or "echos" of past events (as I don't believe that time is linear).

I used to sometimes smell baking (like bread, etc.) in my grandmothers bedroom in the morning, a very old detached house, there was literally nowhere the smell could have been coming from, and the room she used as a bedroom used to be the kitchen (new kitchen was in an extension). Genuinely weird.

The case in the link though... I call shenanigans. For one the pictures to me, are quite clearly jumping, and the voice sounds like a teenage girl doing a weird voice not "An old man".

[Kazanne]

If you are going to have twin beds, no matter how awful, at least have them matching.

:joker: first thing I noticed after the David Soul poster too:hehe:

[Niamh.]

Why is the other kid not bothered?

That was my first thought when i looked at the picture, he looks happy out :laugh:

[andybigbro]

Looking forward to this starting.

[kirklancaster]

I don't believe in ghosts but I am open to the idea of "anomalies" or "echos" of past events (as I don't believe that time is linear).

I used to sometimes smell baking (like bread, etc.) in my grandmothers bedroom in the morning, a very old detached house, there was literally nowhere the smell could have been coming from, and the room she used as a bedroom used to be the kitchen (new kitchen was in an extension). Genuinely weird.

The case in the link though... I call shenanigans. For one the pictures to me, are quite clearly jumping, and the voice sounds like a teenage girl doing a weird voice not "An old man".

I think so too and that's why I captioned the photo with "Is she just jumping."?

In interesting thought about the 'residual' 'energy possibility. I've often wondered if inorganic matter - like walls, floors etc - can 'absorb' sounds, smells, energy etc and release them when given conditions are 'just right'.

[kirklancaster]

:joker: first thing I noticed after the David Soul poster too:hehe:

:nono: You are 'man' mad Kaz. You are supposed to be observing possible paranormal phenomena ie; the girl levitating. (or NOT:laugh:)

[Kyle]

Don't let him leave Murph!

Make him stay Murph!

[Crimson Dynamo]

its either a kid mucking about or all the great laws of science are wrong


:think:

[user104658]

Don't let him leave Murph!

Make him stay Murph!
Did you watch the video clip though?

"OK so now I'm going to use morse code to transmit the data from inside the singularity to allow you to solve the gravity equation... "

"You wot guvna?? Oi ain't got no clue wotcha goin' on abaat!"

[Kyle]

Did you watch the video clip though?

"OK so now I'm going to use morse code to transmit the data from inside the singularity to allow you to solve the gravity equation... "

"You wot guvna?? Oi ain't got no clue wotcha goin' on abaat!"

:laugh::laugh:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i remember watching a documentary about this on channel 4 back in 2007

it was really scary :worry:

[kirklancaster]

I don't believe in ghosts but I am open to the idea of "anomalies" or "echos" of past events (as I don't believe that time is linear).

I used to sometimes smell baking (like bread, etc.) in my grandmothers bedroom in the morning, a very old detached house, there was literally nowhere the smell could have been coming from, and the room she used as a bedroom used to be the kitchen (new kitchen was in an extension). Genuinely weird.
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Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Tape

[Kizzy]

First thing I noticed was the Diana annual, I still have those in my loft. But yeah, she's jumping.

[arista]

Looking forward to this starting.


Yes
SkyLivingHD



Utter Bliss

[AnnieK]

It looks a good show...I love things like this.

Does anyone remember watching Ghostwatch years ago.....the makers had the whole country convinced the happenings were real....

Except probably LT if he watched it - he wouldn't have bought it I bet

[rubymoo]

First thing I noticed was the Diana annual, I still have those in my loft. But yeah, she's jumping.

:laugh: Me too....i have a Mandy annual:laugh:

And i agree she's jumping.

[kirklancaster]

It looks a good show...I love things like this.

Does anyone remember watching Ghostwatch years ago.....the makers had the whole country convinced the happenings were real....

Except probably LT if he watched it - he wouldn't have bought it I bet

I remember it Annie, very enjoyable. As for old Leather - If the ghost of Elvis appeared to him and shook his hand, he still wouldn't believe it, he'd just lay off the whisky for a while. :laugh:

[empire]

their was a case in america that a women was being attacked by two poltergeists, one of them showed itself, it came in a green light figure, but you could see its head and torso,only, and the figure had a glow green type of appearance, and that has never been seen before,