BBC1HD/SkyNewsHD Live 8PM QT Leaders Special (Thurs 30th)

[arista]

One After each other

The PM
Labour Leader
LibDem Leader

30mins each Live

8PM - 9:30PM

[joeysteele]

Let's hope Dimbledy keeps things moving then, at least he has only one person at a time for this event.

[Kizzy]

Looking forward to him smarming all over dave like paxo did :idc:

[arista]

Let's hope Dimbledy keeps things moving then, at least he has only one person at a time for this event.



Yes 90mins Live
tonight

[arista]

The public going in the Hall
Are 25% LibDem
25% Conservative
25% Labour

then 10% others etc
and the rest Undecided

The BBC has released this info
as they do not like being called names.


Ref: SkyNewsHD

[Crimson Dynamo]

here for this

[Ross.]

here for this

Perched LT?

[joeysteele]

It should be all undecided,no one is being told enough or learning anything really as to detail this election.
All 3 leaders should face undecided voters,who are a mix of leaning all ways politically,who would need to question them more carefully.

Not just have an audience trying to score points for their already decided parties with probably daft and loaded questions.

[arista]

It should be all undecided,no one is being told enough or learning anything really as to detail this election.
All 3 leaders should face undecided voters,who are a mix of leaning all ways politically,who would need to question them more carefully.

Not just have an audience trying to score points for their already decided parties with probably daft and loaded questions.

They can not find enough

The Problem for Clegg
is he is last

PM first
your ED 2nd
Nick last


Some are saying
many may not watch Nick

[Northern Monkey]

Sweet!Cheers Arista:)

[MTVN]

I'm only here for Cleggy

[joeysteele]

They can not find enough

The Problem for Clegg
is he is last

PM first
your ED 2nd
Nick last


Some are saying
many may not watch Nick

Couldn't find enough?
I could send them well over 500 that we have come across the last 3 days out canvassing.
There are thousands upon thousands of them.
They are the majority of people we meet and talk to.

No wonder they are undecided with this election campaign from all parties, and yes, I have expressed my strongest dismay with the party I am supporting for the lack of vital information being given to voters.

A campaign that for 4 years now, all parties have known the date of and had all that time to plan a really strong, good and fully detailed campaign for.
Yet they are telling voters they are not going to be told the really important details until the election is over.

Absolutely disgusting in my view.

Why are they doing it in that order, the Prime Minister, even though I don't like him one bit, should get the last word.
Actually, I can see people switching over once Clegg starts too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

bbc debates about anything

:rolleyes:

[arista]

Live Now

[bots]

DC speaking very well so far I think

[Johnnyuk123]

DC speaking very well so far I think

He's doing great so far. I agree!

[arista]

I glad he brought that Labour Note
"No Money Left"

[Johnnyuk123]

I glad he brought that Labour Note
"No Money Left"

lol True!

Cams the man! :dance:

[Pete.]

He's slaying tbh, but it'll be bad for him going first

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dave bossing it

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is on form

[Johnnyuk123]

Do we really want this idiot running the county? :joker::joker::joker:
http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/640682/stream_img.jpg

[bots]

He is on form

He is no idiot, this is the one to prepare for and be slick in, with a week to go, its what people remember

[Crimson Dynamo]

NO

[arista]

Do we really want this idiot running the county? :joker::joker::joker:
http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/640682/stream_img.jpg


No Way

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oop batters greece and Portugal

[Johnnyuk123]

Well said David on immigration! :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[MTVN]

Dave has always been good in this sort of format

[Johnnyuk123]

They should go back home. simple.

[bots]

Will be interesting to see how Ed does, he has a lot to live up to now

[MTVN]

Clegg will be the best, he does this every week on LBC

[Johnnyuk123]

The SNP want to rip the country apart.:fist::fist::fist:

[Johnnyuk123]

Ed looks like a rabbit in the headlights. lol :joker::joker::joker:

[bots]

Clegg will be the best, he does this every week on LBC

Yes, but what he says is irrelevant as he wont be forming a government, and if he is in a coalition, he will dump his policies :laugh:

[arista]

Ed looks like a rabbit in the headlights. lol :joker::joker::joker:


Yes


He burnt our money

[Johnnyuk123]

We don't want this idiot running our country!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Wallace_and_gromit.jpg

[Johnnyuk123]

Labour destroyed the country, i don't want that again. :nono:

[MTVN]

Get your hand out your pocket Ed

[Johnnyuk123]

But Ed the rich are only a few percent of the country.

[bots]

people are groaning in the audience. He can't justify his position

[arista]

Hospitals under New Labour
the fecking used PFI loans

[Johnnyuk123]

How long before Ed Balls walks on to try and save him?:joker::joker::joker:

[MTVN]

Two audience members given him a real grilling so far

[Johnnyuk123]

Someone ask him why his voice changed whilst talking to Russel Brand?:joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

Get your hand out your pocket Ed

Maybe Ed Balls is in there.:joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

No Ed thousands of scroungers will lose their benefits cos they are too lazy to get a job.

[arista]

He can not Win without the SNP.

What a Fool

[Johnnyuk123]

The union who controls Ed will force him to work with the SNP.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He needs nicola

[smudgie]

Is Ed Miiliband a liar, or is he genuinely misinformed about Non Doms not paying tax?
Less than 114,000 non doms in this country actually paid way over 6 billion pound in taxes last year, more than 10million lower rate tax payers put together. Then they also pay a levy on top of that as an option against not paying tax on earnings made and kept overseas.

To say they live in this country, they use the services in this country and then say they don't pay taxes is rather disingenuous to say the least.

[bots]

He can not Win without the SNP.

What a Fool

He has just stated categorically that he would rather not be in power than come to ANY agreement with the SNP ... game over

[MTVN]

How can Miliband rule out any sort of agreement with the SNP? Basically gifting the government to the Tories

[Johnnyuk123]

He needs nicola

The krankie.
http://www.radiotimes.com/namedimage/The_Krankies.jpg?quality=85&mode=crop&width=580&height=327&404=radio&url=/remote/node2.bbcimg.co.uk/iplayer/images/episode/b017w1mg_640_360.jpg

[bots]

How can Miliband rule out any sort of agreement with the SNP? Basically gifting the government to the Tories

My thoughts too

[smudgie]

How can Miliband rule out any sort of agreement with the SNP? Basically gifting the government to the Tories

He would sell his ruddy granny if it gets him in power.

[Johnnyuk123]

He would sell his ruddy granny if it gets him in power.

He stabbed his brother in the back too.:hehe:

[Johnnyuk123]

We were fine when we were not in the EU in the first place so why do we need to stay in it????

[Johnnyuk123]

He's forgot the ladies name already. lol

[Johnnyuk123]

Someone ask him about his two kitchens.:hehe:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/30/20/article-3063103-282D7EA200000578-744_308x396.jpg

Bugger Off Ed

[Johnnyuk123]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/30/20/article-3063103-282D7EA200000578-744_308x396.jpg

Bugger Off Ed

He wouldn't get work in the USA with those crooked teeth. :joker::joker::joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am not sure where he is going burning the snp boat ??

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wish nigel was next

[Johnnyuk123]

I am not sure where he is going burning the snp boat ??

Nicola Sturgeon has said if she doesn't get in she will be in panto at christmas.:hehe:

[smudgie]

I am not sure where he is going burning the snp boat ??

To be fair, neither does he.

What a plonker.

[Johnnyuk123]

Newzoids will take the piss out of this next week. lol

[Johnnyuk123]

He's coming across as a baffoon isn't he.:hehe:

[Johnnyuk123]

I wish nigel was next

Nige would wipe the floor with this crowd for sure! :dance::dance::dance:

[smudgie]

:shrug: That was clear as mud Ed.

[Johnnyuk123]

Says Ed who lives in a £2 million house. lol

[arista]

Newzoids will take the piss out of this next week. lol

For Sure

[Johnnyuk123]

The crowd don't like him do they?:hehe:

[smudgie]

Well...that went well:laugh::laugh:

[arista]

Last one now

Nick

[Johnnyuk123]

Here is Nick ( i'll sleep with anyone to stay in power) :hehe:

[Johnnyuk123]

For a moment i thought i was watching Pointless.:hehe:

[bots]

Ed nearly falling as he walked off :joker:

[smudgie]

Unfortunately I don't think many people will give hm the credit he expects.

[Johnnyuk123]

Clegg will have sex minus the condom to get back in this time.:hehe:

[Johnnyuk123]

Who combed his hair before he went on air? Sack em!

[smudgie]

Not much applause for hm tonight.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ed nearly falling as he walked off :joker:

I cackled

[Kazanne]

Cleggy is a devious sod isn't he ?

[Johnnyuk123]

I cackled

Cam kicked him up the arse or maybe it was Ed Balls. lol

[smudgie]

Cleggy is a devious sod isn't he ?

Aye, indeed.

[Johnnyuk123]

Cleggy is a devious sod isn't he ?

Hi Kaz! :wavey:

Clegg getting hammered by the audience again. lol

[Kazanne]

Clegg shifting the blame onto the very people he has been cosying up to this last 5 years

[MTVN]

Cleggy smashing it despite the BBC trying to cut him off with their dodgy technology

[Kazanne]

Hi Kaz! :wavey:

Clegg getting hammered by the audience again. lol

yes ,they see someone pretty disloyal

[Johnnyuk123]

Clegg shifting the blame onto the very people he has been cosying up to this last 5 years

He will crawl right up Cam's backside come thursday.:joker:

[smudgie]

He really is waffling tonight.

[Kazanne]

LOL @ that guy LOL

[Johnnyuk123]

yes ,they see someone pretty disloyal

No tuition cuts,erm i rest my case.:joker::joker::joker:

[smudgie]

Cleggy smashing it despite the BBC trying to cut him off with their dodgy technology

Ah, I thought it was my telly.
Gremlins at work then.

[Johnnyuk123]

Why do we have millionaires hoping to be in charge of this country. Where are the normal people we can vote for????

[Kazanne]

He will crawl right up Cam's backside come thursday.:joker:

I hope Cam farts him out at such a rate he reaches outta space.:hehe:

[Johnnyuk123]

I hope Cam farts him out at such a rate he reaches outta space.:hehe:

lolol:joker::joker::joker:

[MTVN]

Clegg just needs to point out that Labour and Lib Dems still wouldn't have had a majority

[Johnnyuk123]

Cam and Nige would make a good team. :dance::dance::dance:

[Kazanne]

Cam and Nige would make a good team. :dance::dance::dance:

I'm thinking the same way:hehe:

[arista]

Ed is no servant to us

He will not work with Any SNP

[Johnnyuk123]

I'm thinking the same way:hehe:

It would be a great result! Nige would take Dave out for a pint or two to get him to sign up to stuff. :joker::joker::joker:

[Kazanne]

It would be a great result! Nige would take Dave out for a pint or two to get him to sign up to stuff. :joker::joker::joker:

:joker::joker::joker:

[Kazanne]

My God this guy( Clegg)
is unbelievable,lol

[Johnnyuk123]

The SNP think that just because the Scots will vote for them (like block voting in eurovision) it automatically means that they have some kind of power. NO...All it means is that the rest of the uk now know just how racist this bunch are!

[bots]

DC said he would not come to agreement with any party that would not agree to an EU ref ... that leaves UKIP

Ed said he will not have any agreement with the SNP ... that leaves the lib dems

Pretty clear how its going to pan out whoever totals the most seats.

[arista]

5mins to go

[MTVN]

I really don't get the hate for Clegg; he broke a promise he could never have realistically kept, it's not exactly illegally invading Iraq is it

[Kazanne]

5mins to go

****,Have I missed David Cameron? forgot it was on

[Johnnyuk123]

Nicola Sturgeon cut the hair off her sisters barbie doll aged 9. Can you imagine what she will cut off Ed Miliband? :hehe:

[Johnnyuk123]

****,Have I missed David Cameron? forgot it was on

Cameron came across the best Kaz.:wavey:

[smudgie]

****,Have I missed David Cameron? forgot it was on

Awwwww Kaz, he was on first, best performance of the evening as well.
You will have to iplayer it

[Kazanne]

Nicola Sturgeon cut the hair off her sisters barbie doll aged 9. Can you imagine what she will cut off Ed Miliband? :hehe:

:joker: well it wont be his Balls,he is waiting in the wings,lol

[Johnnyuk123]

Nick Gleggs fave movie is Sleeping With The Enemy. lol

[Kazanne]

Awwwww Kaz, he was on first, best performance of the evening as well.
You will have to iplayer it

Grrr,will look for it smudgie.

[Kazanne]

Nick Gleggs fave movie is Sleeping With The Enemy. lol

:joker::joker:

[bots]

****,Have I missed David Cameron? forgot it was on

DC was the hands down winner tonight, very slick and polished, he had prepared well

[smudgie]

That 90 minutes flew by.

[Johnnyuk123]

:joker: well it wont be his Balls,he is waiting in the wings,lol

I emailed Ed Balls about an issue and 3 months later got a response from his office secretary. Just a load of bullshyte.:joker:

[Kazanne]

DC was the hands down winner tonight, very slick and polished, he had prepared well

Good for him,that's what we need from a PM.

[arista]

****,Have I missed David Cameron? forgot it was on


He was first 30mins


You will have to use Catch Up

[Johnnyuk123]

Good for him,that's what we need from a PM.

Watch it on catchup Kaz. Cameron won this debate.:cheer2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its the way forward

[Kazanne]

Watch it on catchup Kaz. Cameron won this debate.:cheer2:

I will,these people being interviewed seem a bit scared that Cameron is not arse creeping up to anyone,lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dc won

[Johnnyuk123]

I will,these people being interviewed seem a bit scared that Cameron is not arse creeping up to anyone,lol

They also forget what a mess Labour left him in when he took over.

[Kazanne]

They also forget what a mess Labour left him in when he took over.

Lets hope the voters don't.

[bots]

:laugh:
vb1foouKZkw

[Kizzy]

They both got a mauling, the people of Leeds... brutal :laugh:

[arista]

The Guardian/ICM Poll
says David Cameron Won it.

Bliss

[MTVN]

Basically no mention of foreign policy tonight

[Kizzy]

Teflon dave wins again :/ unbelievable.

[Kazanne]

They both got a mauling, the people of Leeds... brutal :laugh:

I thought you might have gone there Kizzy,i missed Cameron and Milliband,but saw Clegg,he came across awfully I thought.

[joeysteele]

Not much at all between Miliband and Cameron to be fair to both,they both handled the questioning well but again as for the undecided,I heard nothing as to any important details again.

One highlight for me would be the man who asked Clegg, had a new job lined up for next friday.
I voted for Clegg in 2010,I am still as furious with him as those in that audience tonight.
He had the star billing, last on,yet just failed to connect,I think Paul Nuttall for UKIP is right, when he indicated when interviewed afterwards,that the Lib Dems will be hammered in the polls on May 7th.

He just doesn't get the scale of his broken tuition fees promise and more to the point signed pledge.
His policy was to abolish them, the Conservatives plan was to at least double them.
He swore blind he would never support them being doubled.

Coalition is about compromise,or should be,how a policy to abolish something, as opposed to at least doubling the cost of them,suddenly then becomes voting to 'treble' them, is beyond me completely.
That is the anger from his past supporters that he never addresses or answers.

They pundits have it wrong on Ed Miliband and post election deals, he will not do any deal with the SNP, given the chance however, he will set out a Queens' speech and present it to parliament.
The SNP then either have to accept it with no conditions or risk a Conservative led govt; instead.
If the SNP then also vote down a Conservative Queen's speech, there will need to be another general election.
Scotland would likely be furious with the SNP for again risking a Conservative led govt; which could mean a whole different result in another election.
I believe, if he has the chance to, Ed Miliband will call their bluff and risk the SNP voting him down.
He doesn't change his mind easily,even it would make his life easier as a politician.

As for his lost footing,I really smiled at that, I recalled at Uni when I was doing a presentation,someone behind me moved my chair back, when I had finished,I made to sit back down and landed on the floor.
A human moment a bit of a shock but I got top marks for the presentation.

David Cameron,being fair to him engaged well but again like the others answered really nothing.
I think a fair few parents who are undecided as to voting, will have great concerns at his very vague dealing with cutting child benefit as to yay or nay.
His best performance so far in the campaign to be fair but really, people need to be told clearly where those 10 billion of welfare cuts are going to be made.

They learned not a thing as to any of that tonight and yet he says, he has seen the books, so he is the one person who should be able to clearly spell out on what and who, the axe will fall over the next few years again as to the most vulnerable.

[Northern Monkey]

Ed nearly falling as he walked off :joker:

Oh that was awful.It summed him up perfectly.If anyone was gonna do that it was Ed:laugh:

[bots]

Not much at all between Miliband and Cameron to be fair to both,they both handled the questioning well but again as for the undecided,I heard nothing as to any important details again.

One highlight for me would be the man who asked Clegg, had a new job lined up for next friday.
I voted for Clegg in 2010,I am still as furious with him as those in that audience tonight.
He had the star billing, last on,yet just failed to connect,I think Paul Nuttall for UKIP is right, when he indicated when interviewed afterwards,that the Lib Dems will be hammered in the polls on May 7th.

He just doesn't get the scale of his broken tuition fees promise and more to the point signed pledge.
His policy was to abolish them, the Conservatives plan was to at least double them.
He swore blind he would never support them being doubled.

Coalition is about compromise,or should be,how a policy to abolish something, as opposed to at least doubling the cost of them,suddenly then becomes voting to 'treble' them, is beyond me completely.
That is the anger from his past supporters that he never addresses or answers.

They pundits have it wrong on Ed Miliband and post election deals, he will not do any deal with the SNP, given the chance however, he will set out a Queens' speech and present it to parliament.
The SNP then either have to accept it with no conditions or risk a Conservative led govt; instead.
If the SNP then also vote down a Conservative Queen's speech, there will need to be another general election.
Scotland would likely be furious with the SNP for again risking a Conservative led govt; which could mean a whole different result in another election.
I believe, if he has the chance to, Ed Miliband will call their bluff and risk the SNP voting him down.
He doesn't change his mind easily,even it would make his life easier as a politician.

As for his lost footing,I really smiled at that, I recalled at Uni when I was doing a presentation,someone behind me moved my chair back, when I had finished,I made to sit back down and landed on the floor.
A human moment a bit of a shock but I got top marks for the presentation.

David Cameron,being fair to him engaged well but again like the others answered really nothing.
I think a fair few parents who are undecided as to voting, will have great concerns at his very vague dealing with cutting child benefit as to yay or nay.
His best performance so far in the campaign to be fair but really, people need to be told clearly where those 10 billion of welfare cuts are going to be made.

They learned not a thing as to any of that tonight and yet he says, he has seen the books, so he is the one person who should be able to clearly spell out on what and who, the axe will fall over the next few years again as to the most vulnerable.

The first one of Ed or David to spell out exactly what they will do after the election is the first one that will hand it on a plate to the opposing party. These cuts/tax rises are not going to sit well with the electorate and they both know it.

[Kizzy]

I thought you might have gone there Kizzy,i missed Cameron and Milliband,but saw Clegg,he came across awfully I thought.

I applied but didn't hear anything :/ Oof it's repeated on sunday catch it if you can kaz they got savaged :laugh:
There were no winners for me.

[the truth]

Not much at all between Miliband and Cameron to be fair to both,they both handled the questioning well but again as for the undecided,I heard nothing as to any important details again.

One highlight for me would be the man who asked Clegg, had a new job lined up for next friday.
I voted for Clegg in 2010,I am still as furious with him as those in that audience tonight.
He had the star billing, last on,yet just failed to connect,I think Paul Nuttall for UKIP is right, when he indicated when interviewed afterwards,that the Lib Dems will be hammered in the polls on May 7th.

He just doesn't get the scale of his broken tuition fees promise and more to the point signed pledge.
His policy was to abolish them, the Conservatives plan was to at least double them.
He swore blind he would never support them being doubled.

Coalition is about compromise,or should be,how a policy to abolish something, as opposed to at least doubling the cost of them,suddenly then becomes voting to 'treble' them, is beyond me completely.
That is the anger from his past supporters that he never addresses or answers.

They pundits have it wrong on Ed Miliband and post election deals, he will not do any deal with the SNP, given the chance however, he will set out a Queens' speech and present it to parliament.
The SNP then either have to accept it with no conditions or risk a Conservative led govt; instead.
If the SNP then also vote down a Conservative Queen's speech, there will need to be another general election.
Scotland would likely be furious with the SNP for again risking a Conservative led govt; which could mean a whole different result in another election.
I believe, if he has the chance to, Ed Miliband will call their bluff and risk the SNP voting him down.
He doesn't change his mind easily,even it would make his life easier as a politician.

As for his lost footing,I really smiled at that, I recalled at Uni when I was doing a presentation,someone behind me moved my chair back, when I had finished,I made to sit back down and landed on the floor.
A human moment a bit of a shock but I got top marks for the presentation.

David Cameron,being fair to him engaged well but again like the others answered really nothing.
I think a fair few parents who are undecided as to voting, will have great concerns at his very vague dealing with cutting child benefit as to yay or nay.
His best performance so far in the campaign to be fair but really, people need to be told clearly where those 10 billion of welfare cuts are going to be made.

They learned not a thing as to any of that tonight and yet he says, he has seen the books, so he is the one person who should be able to clearly spell out on what and who, the axe will fall over the next few years again as to the most vulnerable.

it was another waste of time for everyone....when will the dimblebys ever learn, fewer question more depth

[joeysteele]

it was another waste of time for everyone....when will the dimblebys ever learn, fewer question more depth

I agree in the main, it was good to see Clegg get a hard time however,for me anyway.:joker:

[joeysteele]

The first one of Ed or David to spell out exactly what they will do after the election is the first one that will hand it on a plate to the opposing party. These cuts/tax rises are not going to sit well with the electorate and they both know it.

You are right and it is really irritating potential voters,I have a feeling the turnout could be pretty bad this time around.

[the truth]

farage is hitting it out of the ball park on his half hour...hes just soo damn right about Europe....can you name the European leader? why are we putting in billions most than almost everyone els...whycant we sell to Europeans nations if were not in the eu? blackmail?

[Northern Monkey]

farage is hitting it out of the ball park on his half hour...hes just soo damn right about Europe....can you name the European leader? why are we putting in billions most than almost everyone els...whycant we sell to Europeans nations if were not in the eu? blackmail?

Farage is having a cracker on this.Making Dave and Millibland look like amateurs.

[the truth]

Farage is having a cracker on this.Making Dave and Millibland look like amateurs.

hes brilliant.....his answer to the taking African aid was incredible.....it went something like "the whole EU cartel is stitching up African, were blocking them from trading were stealing from their shores were stopping them becoming economically active and were then giving them foreign aid (which goes to dictators) just to look good and camouflage the neo colonialist EU policies than keep Africa poor, even though we cant afford it"

he mentioned 9000 ex service people living on the streets and offered more money for them

he again mentioned british people with aids have to wait longer and longer

he mentioned health tourists medical insurance being unclaimed by the nhs costs us over a billion pounds a year....INSANE...a doctor backed up what he said very clearly. we have fewer gp's per capita than any other country in Europe...health card is an option....better still anyone who applies for a visa as in usa and Australia etc has to have healthcare insurance..he wants the nhs run publicly...smoking ban...its allowed at the business discretion to offer smoking rooms as in germany

population in the uk has grown 10 million in 20 years and weve don't nothing to build an nhs that can take care of an extra 10 million (that's 2 x the population of Scotland)

[joeysteele]

Teflon dave wins again :/ unbelievable.

Marginally,only by 44% to 38%, with Clegg lagging well behind.

On balance I would have put them both around the same really,no real runaway winner.

[the truth]

miliband is just sooo weak. his answers are so shallow...I mean his answer to everything is what? minimum wage zero hours and mansion tax? nothing on industries, nothing on waste, nothing for small businesses, nothing on town centres, nothing on vat falling, nothing on the roads, the wasteful corrupt councils, nothing on the nhs failings and massive middle management on enormous salaries, nothing on the eu constitution, nothing on the collapse of these many retail monopolies, nothing on endless steal taxes , illegal wars etc etc nothing...just the same innane repeated meaningless catchphrases..the man is pathetic

[Kizzy]

Marginally,only by 44% to 38%, with Clegg lagging well behind.

On balance I would have put them both around the same really,no real runaway winner.

I agree, the audience were really hostile it was really odd... And strangely confident, they were monologuing and challenging answers like it was second nature :suspect:

It's a mystery why cameron came out the winner his responses were dire, he just flapped his gums, nothing he said had any truth in it at all :/

[the truth]

I agree, the audience were really hostile it was really odd... And strangely confident, they were monologuing and challenging answers like it was second nature :suspect:

It's a mystery why cameron came out the winner his responses were dire, he just flapped his gums, nothing he said had any truth in it at all :/

the exact same can be said about miliband

[bots]

I agree, the audience were really hostile it was really odd... And strangely confident, they were monologuing and challenging answers like it was second nature :suspect:

It's a mystery why cameron came out the winner his responses were dire, he just flapped his gums, nothing he said had any truth in it at all :/

I thought DC's answers were very slick and polished and that Ed just "flapped his gums" :laugh: I guess if you agree with what someone says it all makes perfect sense. I should add that I barely listened to a word Nick said, I just don't rate him much above zero in the credibility index.

[Kizzy]

He should've been pressed more... what are the 12 million in welfare cuts?... we are still no further on knowing what they are after 5yrs , he just keeps waving that piece of paper like it proves there was no recession and they haven't killed people through austerity measures... and they have!

[the truth]

He should've been pressed more... what are the 12 million in welfare cuts?... we are still no further on knowing what they are after 5yrs , he just keeps waving that piece of paper like it proves there was no recession and they haven't killed people through austerity measures... and they have!

it is a disgrace he hasn't been grilled on these welfare cuts and where the hell 12 billion is coming from? the poor sick and the disabled must be having a lot of sleepless nights....the other parties haven't really explained it properly either mind. nor has any party bar snp (who cleverly merged the social services and nhs trusts) and ukip really addressed the enormous waste and mismanagement in this country

[Kizzy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD3OaHdW8AIIa7t.png:large

Why are Canada so bovvered?

[the truth]

in saying that I thought Cameron utterly ruined miliband overall...he was just way more positive and backed up more of what he said more than miliband.....he was more optimistic whilst of course avoiding many questions
in the end though I agree with his fundamental principle that its jobs that ultimately pay for everything and free market jobs especially.

[Kizzy]

in saying that I thought Cameron utterly ruined miliband overall...he was just way more positive and backed up more of what he said more than miliband.....he was more optimistic whilst of course avoiding many questions
in the end though I agree with his fundamental principle that its jobs that ultimately pay for everything and free market jobs especially.

It's easy to be optimistic when you're talking rollocks.

[the truth]

It's easy to be optimistic when you're talking rollocks.

you certainly are...sadly you don't seem to care about the record 2 million jobs created which pay towards the nhs the welfare state the care the public services etc the highest job creation in Europe put together.....you don't seem to want to acknowledge the rise in nhs investment , the halving of unemployment rate, or the 9000 additional doctors, the 7000 additional nurses, the record apprenticeships etc etc

[Kizzy]

you certainly are...sadly you don't seem to care about the record 2 million jobs created which pay towards the nhs the welfare state the care the public services etc the highest job creation in Europe put together.....you don't seem to want to acknowledge the rise in nhs investment , the halving of unemployment rate, or the 9000 additional doctors, the 7000 additional nurses, the record apprenticeships etc etc

Am I? I am not blinkered to the fact that these figures have been massaged, I don't believe for a minute 2 million jobs have been created, this does not take into account those on work programmes, apprenticeships, welfare sanctions, further education these are all taken from job seekers it does not follow that they are in work.
The 0hrs minimum wage contracts ensure that those on them don't earn enough to pay tax, so even if they are working it's not contributing anything in fact they have to lean further on the state to top up wages with tax credits.
The only reason the NHS is being bolstered is to make it more attractive to buyers, he pledged £350 million for primary care... nobody even thought to ask him where that is coming from, he is just plucking figures and amounts from the air and somehow never gets pinned down to justify these.
That's why I don't believe a word.

[joeysteele]

in saying that I thought Cameron utterly ruined miliband overall...he was just way more positive and backed up more of what he said more than miliband.....he was more optimistic whilst of course avoiding many questions
in the end though I agree with his fundamental principle that its jobs that ultimately pay for everything and free market jobs especially.

No he didn't, he actually did rather badly from what I am hearing although,I agree it was his bes performance so far.
Today a good number of people feel very concerned at his refusal to rule out cuts to child benefit.
Also his failure again to explain where the 10 billion of cuts to welfare are going to hit and who.
A lot of votes may now hang in the balance as to child benefit as to him now.
If he fails to inform before may 7th where he will cut and what, that thought will be in a lot of minds in the polling booths.

All I have had this morning out on the streets is, he is the PM he should have told us far more last night and told us nothing,he must know what he intends to be allowed to be cut.
That is the feeling as to all the leaders as to not getting vital information on a range of issues.

As to the jobs, in 'most' places around the UK, this is not felt as really happening, more people in work are more disgruntled than ever before due to the limited hours they now get for sure.
The supermarket near me, all staff are on 16 hours a week contracts, fine for the person just wanting a job to get some extra money, impossible to sustain someone who needs regualar full time work however.

This is the tell the voters nothing election,however no other party is saying they will make 10 billion pounds of extra cuts to welfare and not spelling out exactly who will be hit and by how much.
The IFS has indicated big losses to the sick and disabled from what has been said,and if this PM does not answer such a vital query before May 7th,he does not deserve the trust of the people.
Somehow I think he won't get it either.

He has dodged debates and had a perfect chance to lay all his cards on the table as to welfare cuts and no cuts to child benefit,he has ruled out any cuts to penioners or their extras, regardless of pensioner wealth.
Yet he could not be in any way honest to tell the voters something he will be presenting as to cuts in welfare a few weeks after the election.

That is deceit,because he must know now exactly what his Chancellor is intending to cut.
That is why despite a good performance,he still failed to do even half of the right thing.

[arista]

"dodged debates"


Only One

[bots]

No he didn't, he actually did rather badly from what I am hearing although,I agree it was his bes performance so far.
Today a good number of people feel very concerned at his refusal to rule out cuts to child benefit.
Also his failure again to explain where the 10 billion of cuts to welfare are going to hit and who.
A lot of votes may now hang in the balance as to child benefit as to him now.
If he fails to inform before may 7th where he will cut and what, that thought will be in a lot of minds in the polling booths.

All I have had this morning out on the streets is, he is the PM he should have told us far more last night and told us nothing,he must know what he intends to be allowed to be cut.
That is the feeling as to all the leaders as to not getting vital information on a range of issues.

As to the jobs, in 'most' places around the UK, this is not felt as really happening, more people in work are more disgruntled than ever before due to the limited hours they now get for sure.
The supermarket near me, all staff are on 16 hours a week contracts, fine for the person just wanting a job to get some extra money, impossible to sustain someone who needs regualar full time work however.

This is the tell the voters nothing election,however no other party is saying they will make 10 billion pounds of extra cuts to welfare and not spelling out exactly who will be hit and by how much.
The IFS has indicated big losses to the sick and disabled from what has been said,and if this PM does not answer such a vital query before May 7th,he does not deserve the trust of the people.
Somehow I think he won't get it either.

He has dodged debates and had a perfect chance to lay all his cards on the table as to welfare cuts and no cuts to child benefit,he has ruled out any cuts to penioners or their extras, regardless of pensioner wealth.
Yet he could not be in any way honest to tell the voters something he will be presenting as to cuts in welfare a few weeks after the election.

That is deceit,because he must know now exactly what his Chancellor is intending to cut.
That is why despite a good performance,he still failed to do even half of the right thing.

Can't believe it I'm agreeing with truth :laugh: It was a very assured performance from David, much more so than Ed. Many people were left speechless by Ed's failure to see spending was out of control in the last labour government. Did you not hear the groans in the audience? I think many would have given labour a 2nd chance thinking that they had learnt from their mistakes, but Ed proved last night that no lessons had been learned. You can tell us how labour supporters are viewing David Cameron till the cows come home, it doesnt alter the fact that conservative supporters are happy with his performance, and from what I can gather, many undecided were happy with his performance too

[Kizzy]

Well that should tell you something, that non answers are not better than an admittance that your party has no fiscal responsibility... especially if you are trying to rebrand your party as the party of fiscal responsibility?
Cameron has pledged 8 billion to the NHS, 450 million for childcare services, to protect child tax credits, to freeze income tax, nat ins and VAT for 5yrs ... how will he do all these things?
What are the 12 billion welfare cuts, where will the axe fall...

[joeysteele]

Can't believe it I'm agreeing with truth :laugh: It was a very assured performance from David, much more so than Ed. Many people were left speechless by Ed's failure to see spending was out of control in the last labour government. Did you not hear the groans in the audience? I think many would have given labour a 2nd chance thinking that they had learnt from their mistakes, but Ed proved last night that no lessons had been learned. You can tell us how labour supporters are viewing David Cameron till the cows come home, it doesnt alter the fact that conservative supporters are happy with his performance, and from what I can gather, many undecided were happy with his performance too

What an insulting assumption.
I am not telling you about only what Labour supporters are saying, as a canvasser, I don't need to talk to Labour voters, I am keeping talking to the people who say they are undecided voters.
Who are saying exactly the same today so far as I have heard for weeks now, they are not being told the truth and what they need to know, and they got told nothing new last night from David Cameron either.

So you can come at me from your anti Labour bias all you like, I am talking to ,with a team of canvassers and the candidates,'undecided' voters.
If I want to tell you what Labour supporters are thinking, I do that well enough from my opinion so that throws your dig out the window completely.

We haven't found any of the undecided voters we talked to yesterday or the last 4 days, who feel they got the answers as to child benefit cuts, which will hit voters of all parties by the way if they did them.

We have had communication with over 500 'undecided' voters over the last 4 days,they are the people we are targetting. not Labour voters.
So don't accuse me of only repeating what Labour voters are saying. I say myself with my own views, what Labour stands for, I need no back up.

Let the Conservatives believe that David Cameron did well last night, refusing to spell out the welfare cuts and not ruling out child benefit cuts.
I am relaying that as to the undecided voters,not from Labour voters at all, they learned nothing more from him at all last night,in fact they may have ended up even more concerned at what cuts are coming.
I don't think people are impressed, and they are right not to be, with someone knowing something not pleasant that will be happening, and not informing them properly as to it,when they will be the ones doing it too.
If you admire that,I certainly don't.

As for the groans at Ed Milibands response to the last govt before this one's spending, there were 25% of Conservative voters in that audience.
had I been there I'd have groaned at Cameron's answers.
It wouldn't have proven much however.

In fact the statement from the whole night,I have heard today is Ed Miliband's, from actually even some Conservative voters who are not so hardline,(I have found a good number of Conservative voters who also think the voters should be told what cuts are coming and to what and who),the statement he made as to,he wants to be a PM that under promises but over delivers rather than a PM who over promises and under delivers.

You can get at me all you like but I talk to far more former and present Lib Dem voters, Conservative voters and undecided voters when out canvassing, than I ever do Labour ones.
You gain next to nothing as to new votes from the people who already agree with you,that battle is won.
You need to find out what those not supporting you think, so kindly don't do me the injustice of saying I do something different please and just quote Labour voters,when you have no experience or knowledge of what I actually am doing walking miles in the streets.

Labour voters also are the ones helping us in the main.
I don't need to in any way relay what they are saying.

You don't know me personally, thankfully,so kindly don't make unfounded judements or assumptions from your own agenda as to what I am doing or not doing, thank you.
I will work my hardest to cionvince even one undecided voter Labour is the way forward, so kindly refrain from putting down thew ork I am trying to do from your biased opinion of what I stand.
One thing I do stand for is honesty,and little of that is coming out in this election and none at all from Cameron as to his next round of severe cuts programme.

[bots]

What an insulting assumption.
I am not telling you about only what Labour supporters are saying, as a canvasser, I don't need to talk to Labour voters, I am keeping talking to the people who say they are undecided voters.
Who are saying exactly the same today so far as I have heard for weeks now, they are not being told the truth and what they need to know, and they got told nothing new last night from David Cameron either.

So you can come at me from your anti Labour bias all you like, I am talking to ,with a team of canvassers and the candidates,'undecided' voters.
If I want to tell you what Labour supporters are thinking, I do that well enough from my opinion so that throws your dig out the window completely.


We haven't found any of the undecided voters we talked to yesterday or the last 4 days, who feel they got the answers as to child benefit cuts, which will hit voters of all parties by the way if they did them.

We have had communication with over 500 'undecided' voters over the last 4 days,they are the people we are targetting. not Labour voters.
So don't accuse me of only repeating what Labour voters are saying. I say myself with my own views, what Labour stands for, I need no back up.

Let the Conservatives believe that David Cameron did well last night, refusing to spell out the welfare cuts and not ruling out child benefit cuts.
I am relaying that as to the undecided voters,not from Labour voters at all, they learned nothing more from him at all last night,in fact they may have ended up even more concerned at what cuts are coming.
I don't think people are impressed, and they are right not to be, with someone knowing something not pleasant that will be happening, and not informing them properly as to it,when they will be the ones doing it too.
If you admire that,I certainly don't.

As for the groans at Ed Milibands response to the last govt before this one's spending, there were 25% of Conservative voters in that audience.
had I been there I'd have groaned at Cameron's answers.
It wouldn't have proven much however.

In fact the statement from the whole night,I have heard today is Ed Miliband's, from actually even some Conservative voters who are not so hardline,(I have found a good number of Conservative voters who also think the voters should be told what cuts are coming and to what and who),the statement he made as to,he wants to be a PM that under promises but over delivers rather than a PM who over promises and under delivers.

You can get at me all you like but I talk to far more former and present Lib Dem voters, Conservative voters and undecided voters when out canvassing, than I ever do Labour ones.
You gain next to nothing as to new votes from the people who already agree with you,that battle is won.
You need to find out what those not supporting you think, so kindly don't do me the injustice of saying I do something different please and just quote Labour voters,when you have no experience or knowledge of what I actually am doing walking miles in the streets.

Labour voters also are the ones helping us in the main.
I don't need to in any way relay what they are saying.

You don't know me personally, thankfully,so kindly don't make unfounded judements or assumptions from your own agenda as to what I am doing or not doing, thank you.
I will work my hardest to cionvince even one undecided voter Labour is the way forward, so kindly refrain from putting down thew ork I am trying to do from your biased opinion of what I stand.
One thing I do stand for is honesty,and little of that is coming out in this election and none at all from Cameron as to his next round of severe cuts programme.


This is a discussion thread, and I'm entitled to express my views as much as you are. But lets call a spade a spade, you don't have a good word for the conservatives, can't see any good in them. Called David Cameron an out and out liar. Enough said really. The vote is on Thursday, and I am now confident that the Conservatives will get sufficient support to form the next government. So, continuing to bad mouth the tories as a labour supporter while saying it comes from neutrals doesn't wash with me.

I would also greatly appreciate it if you would stop personally insulting me, and stick with the context of the debate

[Kizzy]

you certainly are...sadly you don't seem to care about the record 2 million jobs created which pay towards the nhs the welfare state the care the public services etc the highest job creation in Europe put together.....you don't seem to want to acknowledge the rise in nhs investment , the halving of unemployment rate, or the 9000 additional doctors, the 7000 additional nurses, the record apprenticeships etc etc

'The position in the acute sector in particular has deteriorated sharply, with more
than 60 per cent of hospitals in deficit. This is unprecedented, indicating that
financial distress has spread well beyond those hospitals with a history of struggling
to balance their books and is now endemic across the system. This is due to a
combination of the funding squeeze, year-on-year reductions in the prices paid for
treatment (which add up to a cut of nearly 7 per cent in real terms) and the
recruitment of significant numbers of nurses to safeguard quality of care following
the Francis report into the tragic events at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust.
Faced with a choice between safeguarding quality of care and balancing the books,
it is clear that acute hospitals are choosing the former.
There are more grounds for optimism on the commissioner side – papers for NHS
England’s board meeting in November forecast a surplus of £283 million in the
commissioning budget, mainly as a result of the underspend carried forward from
last year (NHS England 2014a).'

This document shows that the NHS is making as much money as it spends... The document also shows that trusts are funding nurses sometimes at the detriment of other areas to not fall short of imposed measures.

So no.. The government cannot take responsibility for recruitment as how trusts spend their budget is not up to them, by suggesting he is the saviour of the NHS he's lying.


http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/files/kf/field/field_publication_file/autumn-statement-briefing-2014.pdf

[Kizzy]

I'm still in shock, Dimblebore said 'does anyone else have anything else to say about food banks?....no?' ... WTEFF :/
Later they find someone who doesn't want a minimum wage and also wants to keep 0hr contracts, yes it was an employer and as gracious as Ed tried to be and insisted business rates would be fair it wasn't enough... What do people want?
The highest earners have their taxes lowered and the poorest can't even afford to pay tax, it's those in the middle like this who cop for it and then bleat about it :/

[joeysteele]

This is a discussion thread, and I'm entitled to express my views as much as you are. But lets call a spade a spade, you don't have a good word for the conservatives, can't see any good in them. Called David Cameron an out and out liar. Enough said really. The vote is on Thursday, and I am now confident that the Conservatives will get sufficient support to form the next government. So, continuing to bad mouth the tories as a labour supporter while saying it comes from neutrals doesn't wash with me.

I would also greatly appreciate it if you would stop personally insulting me, and stick with the context of the debate

Insulting you, that is really rich coming from you,after your insinuations as to me in your posts.
I couldn't care what washes with you but don't insinuate I am not being genuine on what I say,you are getting really insulting in that and you repeat it again above.

Thank goodness I get far better conversations with supporters of all parties. on doorsteps and in the streets.
How dare you question my integrity however !

Also of course I am not going to have much good to say about Cameron,I am working against him for goodness sake.
I do however still try to give far more balanced views,when I can, than yours as to Miliband.

Look, avoid my posts in future and I will for sure ignore yours, in fact it will be an absolute pleasure to.
However just stop questioning my integrity,I say what I think and what I hear from others not even of my political persuasion now.
You do not have to read any of it, so please don't.

[joeysteele]

I'm still in shock, Dimblebore said 'does anyone else have anything else to say about food banks?....no?' ... WTEFF :/
Later they find someone who doesn't want a minimum wage and also wants to keep 0hr contracts, yes it was an employer and as gracious as Ed tried to be and insisted business rates would be fair it wasn't enough... What do people want?
The highest earners have their taxes lowered and the poorest can't even afford to pay tax, it's those in the middle like this who cop for it and then bleat about it :/

This is how it is Kizzy, I said yesterday, that in my view I thought the audience should have been all what was termed undecided voters.

I think Cameron got a rough ride because the questions largely came from Labour or even Lib Dem voters.
His supporters were probably not even selected to ask a question or even comment.

As with Miliband, odd how Cameron brought the note along and then the first question from the audience to Miliband was about the note.
I found that really odd too.

As for the Clegg, I do think he sold out as to the coalition but again, he had supporters there but there were really no supportive questioning to him or in fact any of the leaders at all.

I think all 3 did well as to the questioning and no doubt for me this was Cameron's best performance of the campaign so far as I said last night and today too.

For me, however, it should have been undecided voters asking the questions, not supporters already classified as such.
It was lively but still very few 'undecided voters' have likely learned anything at all,no detailed information so not much of a step forward as to the campaign,if any at all.

I do really think for both Cameron and Miliband,they both are just pleased to have got through the main programmes involving them and the studio public largely unscathed.
I think that has been the intention all along.
Give as little away as possible and avoid anything really controversial.

See,I wouldn't have set the questioners in advance either,I would just have chosen people at random to ask a question,it was rather clear more Labour supporters questioned David Cameron, and more Conservative ones questioned Ed Miliband.
Which as you point out, doesn't resolve issues as the answers will never be what that supporter wants to hear.

I have been to a QT audience it is extremely hard to get to ask a question.

Dimbleby says every week the panel have no idea of the questions to be asked,which is nonsense, they are all primed and ready for their answers when the questions come.

I would like to see a political programme that really puts politicians of all parties right on the spot.
Not hijacking them or setting them up, just genuine questions really chosen at random and more to the point from a truly randomly chosen audience too.

[arista]

"on doorsteps"

Not on My Door
All Labour get Abuse
and paper ripped up fast


Feel The Force

[joeysteele]

"on doorsteps"

Not on My Door
All Labour get Abuse
and paper ripped up fast


Feel The Force

I've had that but thankfully rarely.

Most of the time I find people very welcoming, especially the elderly, they seem to like to chat and also like the company.
Whether most of them will even vote for anyone is another matter.
I just do my bit as best as I can.

It's all part of the learning.

[arista]

"I've had that but thankfully rarely."


Thats good as you need
a Full Picture

[bots]

Insulting you, that is really rich coming from you,after your insinuations as to me in your posts.
I couldn't care what washes with you but don't insinuate I am not being genuine on what I say,you are getting really insulting in that and you repeat it again above.

Thank goodness I get far better conversations with supporters of all parties. on doorsteps and in the streets.
How dare you question my integrity however !

Also of course I am not going to have much good to say about Cameron,I am working against him for goodness sake.
I do however still try to give far more balanced views,when I can, than yours as to Miliband.

Look, avoid my posts in future and I will for sure ignore yours, in fact it will be an absolute pleasure to.
However just stop questioning my integrity,I say what I think and what I hear from others not even of my political persuasion now.
You do not have to read any of it, so please don't.

i'm highlighting your complete over reaction any time I - and I mean I personally, post anything that is even slightly in favour of the Conservative party. Lets look at what I actually said that caused your uproar. I said that I thought Cameron performed well, and that people would see that labour hadn't changed given Ed's failure to acknowledge the previous labour government had over spent.

From that, you launched into paragraphs of diatribe ... get the picture?

You are way to personally involved I think, to give a balanced response when faced with a different opinion to your own.

[joeysteele]

i'm highlighting your complete over reaction any time I - and I mean I personally, post anything that is even slightly in favour of the Conservative party. Lets look at what I actually said that caused your uproar. I said that I thought Cameron performed well, and that people would see that labour hadn't changed given Ed's failure to acknowledge the previous labour government had over spent.

From that, you launched into paragraphs of diatribe ... get the picture?

You are way to personally involved I think, to give a balanced response when faced with a different opinion to your own.

No,no,no you inferred I was not being genuine as to my posts on here from what I was hearing on doorsteps and that I was only putting my own take on things,you repeated that in the second post.
I am far more balanced than you think and again I see no reason for you make such a judgement on me as to that too.

I respect your comments,I do my best to anyway but you have got at me a few times over the weeks and one thing I will never tolerate is having my integrity questioned.
Everyone overreacts a little, I am rather worn out at times,canvassing is not easy and does that but when I say I have been told something, or heard something,then that is how it is.
I say plenty myself too as to my own views in many posts.

I am actually angry with this coalition, because when I first joined here,I was a supporter of it and hoped for really good and strong things from it.
I hate deceit however,as a student I was,I felt, badly let down by the Lib Dems who I slate even more than the Conservatives.

For Cameron, it was the NHS re-organisation in the main for me that ended my trust for him and also the severe policies he enacted.
He did promise no top down re-organisation of it.

As to the Conservatives generally,Michael Gove for instance,is a Conservative politician I admire,there are loads of Conservative MPs I hold massive respect for.
There is one, I have even refused to go and help Labour in his constituency because I know he is a brilliant MP and is someone I have high regard for.

I have Conservative roots myself,I hope a new leader will return the Conservatives to the party it was way back in the 50s,60s and 70s.
Even Michael Howard and William Hague are Conservative politicians I really liked and would have voted for had I been old enough to.

However,I now believe under Cameron, they cannot be trusted,that is my view.
Also I firmly believe no party leader is telling the voters everything they should and I have said that many times on here.

It was your questioning my integrity that got my back up, if that is not really your intention than fine.
No arguments,I appreciate you rate Cameron,one of my really best friends on here does too,on the totally opposite side to me on this one,when we once agreed years ago as to him,however now I don't.
We all have the right to say what we think as to the parties and the leaders.
I can also post what I have heard from many others,just as you can post what you hear too.

The difference between you and I is,well or it was, you were inferring I was not revealing what others said and I will not stand for that.
I would not have inferred that as to yourself and never have.

I am finding loads of undecided voters, they may not even ever bother to vote but a large amount of potential voters feel they are not getting the answers and information they should be getting as to lots of issues.

I actually listen to other people, I don't always believe I have all the answers,I have had my mind changed by many people on here who have made me think again from what I have thought before.

I responded unhappily and maybe unwisely to your post today because you questioned my integrity,and did so twice, and few things really annoy me more than that.
Not because of your opinions at all beingdifferent to mine, I couldn't care whether they are different to mine or not.
I did so because of that personal reference to me as to what I was posting and who was saying what I posted.

Respect for other members goes 2 ways and I always try to be respectful to other members,I for certain would not question another members integrity and therefore don't expect to get that and disrespect towards myself return.

[AnnieK]

"on doorsteps"

Not on My Door
All Labour get Abuse
and paper ripped up fast


Feel The Force

I tell everyone who comes to my door that I am voting for their party, regardless of who they are. I don't want to be rude to anyone but I find door knocking intrusive personally so the easiest and less rude way to get them to leave quickest is to say I am voting for them.

[joeysteele]

I tell everyone who comes to my door that I am voting for their party, regardless of who they are. I don't want to be rude to anyone but I find door knocking intrusive personally so the easiest and less rude way to get them to leave quickest is to say I am voting for them.

That is done loads AnnieK.

I haven't found anyone rude really, they just say no thank you,not interested.
Some have stickers up too saying no callers so I pass them by.

Then at times we find, when I say have you any questions,I can be there 10 minutes or more chatting,we have even had cups of tea offered.

The ones I love are the ones who say something like, ''oh it must be election time we never see you people after one election 'till the next''.

[AnnieK]

That is done loads AnnieK.

I haven't found anyone rude really, they just say no thank you,not interested.
Some have stickers up too saying no callers so I pass them by.

Then at times we find, when I say have you any questions,I can be there 10 minutes or more chatting,we have even had cups of tea offered.

The ones I love are the ones who say something like, ''oh it must be election time we never see you people after one election 'till the next''.

I'm glad no one is rude to you....I assume it's voluntary so would be pretty awful if you give up your free time and then get abuse.

[joeysteele]

I'm glad no one is rude to you....I assume it's voluntary so would be pretty awful if you give up your free time and then get abuse.

Yeah,it is voluntary but I love learning about people and what they are thinking.
I go around with a good bunch of people, the actual candidates get more abuse then we do.:joker:

Sometimes we cross paths with other party canvassers/leafleters too and that is always usually really friendly too.
I am loving it really.

[Kizzy]

I have my voting preference displayed so nobody has bothered to knock :smug:

[joeysteele]

I have my voting preference displayed so nobody has bothered to knock :smug:

Me too, however I am hardly in at present,too busy doing the knocking. :joker:

[Kizzy]

Good lad Joey, you keep on knocking my little red fox, the tory hell hounds are hunting you down :/

[Kazanne]

I've had labour ringing my bell today,he was a really nice young guy tbh ,I thought of Joey straight away,lol,was it you Joey?so I listened and told him we are undecided as yet and will make our minds up by Thursday and vote.#awkward:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

SNP bossing my town square today again with the candidate there and balloons and things

[smudgie]

We are bombarded with leaflets, letters and even phone calls. Probably as we have such a narrow margin.
When Labour phone up, they always ask for hubby or son, they obviously know I am voting Tory.:laugh:
It has got that I now tell them not to waste their time ringng us.

[joeysteele]

We are bombarded with leaflets, letters and even phone calls. Probably as we have such a narrow margin.
When Labour phone up, they always ask for hubby or son, they obviously know I am voting Tory.:laugh:
It has got that I now tell them not to waste their time ringng us.

I refused to help canvass in your constituency Smudgie,even just for leafleting.
You have a really fantastic and decent MP and I wouldn't work against him.
I know he is a Conservative but if anyone deserves to hang on to his seat he does.

[Kizzy]

Well well well.... Remember the snake eyed woman who gave Ed Miliband such a hard time during QT?

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[joeysteele]

I've had labour ringing my bell today,he was a really nice young guy tbh ,I thought of Joey straight away,lol,was it you Joey?so I listened and told him we are undecided as yet and will make our minds up by Thursday and vote.#awkward:hehe:

I doubt it would be me, I always say my name,it is amazing how that helps to open conversation.
I have been all over the place this last week for an hour or so and even fora few hours,I may get there yet.
Hey I never thought of that,I may have actually spoken to some tibb members.

I thought you would have had at the very least a big post in your garden for the Conservatives,:joker:

I just want people to vote, even if I disagree with who they are voting for.
The number who say they are undecided is alarming too,from what people say to us.
People are annoyed they are learning little in this election campaign, except as to who may do a deal with who and the voters are, I think anyway, fed up of that,the media to blame for that possibly even more than the politicians.

[joeysteele]

Well well well.... Remember the snake eyed woman who gave Ed Miliband such a hard time during QT?

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To me, that was pretty obvious, it was said however she indicated she was a 'undecided' voter to the planners of the programme.

[Kizzy]

I bet that guy was too, I said they all seemed very confident public speakers for 'joe public' .. they had been well coached :mad:

[bots]

Its an interesting one isn't it. Its quite possible to be an undecided voter with strong political leanings, but for whatever reason, be it unhappiness with the leader, or a particular mp or whatever, puts you in the undecided category.

If one is being truly accurate, everyone is undecided up to the point where they place their vote, as there is always the possibility (no matter how remote) that they could change their minds.

That aside, how does one vet an entire audience to ensure their views are what the say they are. Tricky :think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I bet that guy was too, I said they all seemed very confident public speakers for 'joe public' .. they had been well coached :mad:

welcome to the UKIP world of getting sabotaged by the bbc

[Kizzy]

They don't do a bad job of sabotaging themselves :idc:

[Northern Monkey]

They don't do a bad job of sabotaging themselves :idc:

Farage actually put up a much better performance than Dave or Ed.