Rylan - "We’ve got stereotypes"

[Jason.]

We’ve got young, middle-aged and older, and although we’ve got stereotypes, they don’t fit the bracket they’re in. For example, a young, pretty girl might not be what she seems.

http://www.bbspy.co.uk/bb16/news/0505/big-brother-2015-timebomb-to-have-real-mix-of-housemates-old-young-recognise-some-from-papers-tv#ixzz3ZfKTZw00

I'll start.

Angry black girl.
Thick "loveable" Essex geezer.
Blonde girl with big tits getting booed on the way in.
Fat girl who claims to be "doing it for all the other big girls".
Person who promises to stir **** up on VT but turns out to be a bore.
Flamboyant gay.

[12bigbrother12]

Sadly we're beginning to follow the American model of inflexible stereotyping.

[Will.]

i guess if they dont fit the bracket then there not really the typical stereotypes

[Benjamin]

If they could have a "straight" acting gay and a loveable black girl for once would be nice and surely not too much to ask.

[Jason.]

i guess if they dont fit the bracket then there not really the typical stereotypes

Yes, because I really believe Rylan.
They'll say anything to promote the show.

[Denver]

A lesbian Banker

[Jason.]

Innocent 18 year old.

[Will.]

Yes, because I really believe Rylan.
They'll say anything to promote the show.

I kind of believe what they say, they said last years line up was risky and feisty and it was.

[Benjamin]

I kind of believe what they say, they said last years line up was risky and feisty and it was.

They forgot to mention they were also ****.

[Jason.]

Person who claims to be a ladies man, but is really an insecure knob.

*cough.... Marlon*cough....Pav*

[Will.]

They forgot to mention they were also ****.


They have to professional lol :)

[Jason.]

Person who says they "tell it how it is" which just means you're a bitch because you love being a bitch.

[Raph]

If they could have a "straight" acting gay and a loveable black girl for once would be nice and surely not too much to ask.

So much :clap1: for this post

[Liam-]

If they could have a "straight" acting gay and a loveable black girl for once would be nice and surely not too much to ask.

Yes please, there needs to be one soon.

[Benjamin]

I swear the last straight acting gay guy we had was Josh in BB2

[Liam-]

I'm personally rather tired of being supposedly 'represented' by over the top flamboyant gays all the time on these shows.

[Jason.]

BB15 had a lot of stereotypes in the cast looking back:

Angry black females - Pauline and Toya
Slutty slapper - Biannca
Blonde woman with big tits - Tamara
Thick Essex geezer - Winston
Camp gay - Mark and Matthew
Innocent 18 year old - Ashleigh

Steven fitted into a stereotype, I'm just not sure which one.

[LukeB]

If they could have a "straight" acting gay and a loveable black girl for once would be nice and surely not too much to ask.

:worship:

especially the loveable black girl :lovedup:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

'straight acting' :umm2:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i love grindr

[Raph]

I swear the last straight acting gay guy we had was Josh in BB2

I didnt know Josh was gay, i'll have to give BB2 a watch at some point.

[Firewire]

What does straight acting even mean? Do they need to eat pussy?

[Jason.]

I thought Christopher was rather straight acting.

[Will.]

love how Winston said he was a bit smarter than the other Essex lads, bit more switched on.

[Jason.]

What does straight acting even mean? Do they need to eat pussy?

Someone who isn't Mark, from BB15.

[Firewire]

Someone who isn't Mark, from BB15.

What does this even mean? Honestly the homophobic amongst the gay community is gross

[Liam-]

What does straight acting even mean? Do they need to eat pussy?

No, they just need to not flounce around like a woman on a hen night.

Note: there is nothing wrong with women on hen nights.

[Babayaro.]

Camp gay - Mark and Matthew


Matthew is straight is he not? :joker:

[Firewire]

Matthew is straight is he not? :joker:

Exactly

[Jason.]

love how Winston said he was a bit smarter than the other Essex lads, bit more switched on.

I remember on BOTS they showed the results of the housemates IQ tests, and he was quiet high up, actually.

I remember it was in the following order from intelligent to least intelligent:

Ash
Chris
Pav
Winston
Ashleigh
Christopher
Helen
Mark

I was surprised Ash was the highest, but I wouldn't really call him stupid. But then again, I'd take these with a pinch of salt, as you've seen what type of questions they ask.

I'm pretty sure "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" is an accurate measure of intellect.

[Will.]

I remember on BOTS they showed the results of the housemates IQ tests, and he was quiet high up, actually.

I remember it was in the following order from intelligent to least intelligent:

Ash
Chris
Pav
Winston
Ashleigh
Christopher
Helen
Mark

I was surprised Ash was the highest, but I wouldn't really call him stupid. But then again, I'd take these with a pinch of salt, as you've seen what type of questions they ask.

I'm pretty sure "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" is an accurate measure of intellect.

Not much competition to do well, Ash was quite intelligent you could tell

[Jason.]

What does this even mean? Honestly the homophobic amongst the gay community is gross

How am I being homophobic?

When did I ever claim I was afraid or had immense hatred towards homosexuals, or that straight people were more superior.
Were just talking about stereotypes present on a reality show.

Be careful with your accusations.

[Daniel.]

Matthew is in a relationship with Mark nnnn

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

No, they just need to not flounce around like a woman on a hen night.

Note: there is nothing wrong with women on hen nights.

What does this even mean? Honestly the homophobic amongst the gay community is gross

.

[Firewire]

Matthew is in a relationship with Mark nnnn

omg really

[Daniel.]

some gays are camp some are't

why does it matter

[Daniel.]

omg really

yes

[Firewire]

messy

[Jason.]

Matthew is in a relationship with Mark nnnn

I was actually surprised about that.
So much for his girlfriend of six years.

[Liam-]

So Helen was right about Matthew shacking up with Mark? Ha2

[Firewire]

I was actually surprised about that.
So much for his girlfriend of six years.

I love bisexuality

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

:joker:

[Jason.]

I love bisexuality

I'm still waiting for your apology for branding me homophobic.

:inamood:

[Firewire]

I'm still waiting for your apology for branding me homophobic.

:inamood:

I didn't

[Smithy]

No, they just need to not flounce around like a woman on a hen night.



So basically it's ok for gay people to be gay, as long as they aren't effeminate?

[Firewire]

i love bald people

[Benjamin]

So basically it's ok for gay people to be gay, as long as they aren't effeminate?

My point is that is fine but for once it would be nice to have a gay guy that isn;t like that.

[Firewire]

My point is that is fine but for once it would be nice to have a gay guy that isn;t like that.

Let's have a woman who isn't blonde for once, would make a nice change :smug:

[Liam-]

So basically it's ok for gay people to be gay, as long as they aren't effeminate?

I never said it wasn't okay for gay guys to be effeminate, i just personally get irritated by overly camp gay/bisexual guys that's all.

[reece(:]

What does straight acting even mean? Do they need to eat pussy?
lmaoo. Meaning a "lad" gay?

[Babayaro.]

Matthew is straight is he not? :joker:

Oh

[Jason.]

So Helen was right about Matthew shacking up with Mark? Ha2

I remember all the moral nerds slating Helen for "IT'S NOT OKAY TO OUT PEOPLE!!!".

What about Matthew's girlfriend of six years who he just tossed for someone he knew for about six months?

[Jay.]

i burnt my dinner reading this, hope you are all happy with yourselves :nono:

[armand.kay]

Not here for "straight acting" the term makes me feel ill.

[Jason.]

i burnt my dinner reading this, hope you are all happy with yourselves :nono:

I feel guilty.
But that's hilarious.

[Firewire]

Not here for "straight acting" the term mak s me feel ill.

:clap1:

[Babayaro.]

Plot twist: There is a 'gay' acting straight housemate

[LukeB]

I remember all the moral nerds slating Helen for "IT'S NOT OKAY TO OUT PEOPLE!!!".

What about Matthew's girlfriend of six years who he just tossed for someone he knew for about six months?

tbh Helen should have done it privately, or accused him of cheating instead of outing his sexuality. like people who are gay/ bi that are not confident to come out and they get called out it's not nice:laugh:

[Will.]

who did she out?

[Firewire]

Matthew on Twitter

[Smithy]

My point is that is fine but for once it would be nice to have a gay guy that isn;t like that.
People are put into the house based on their character, their sexuality is irrelevant, Kav was gay in CBB, was he straight acting enough for you?
I never said it wasn't okay for gay guys to be effeminate, i just personally get irritated by overly camp gay/bisexual guys that's all.

Well saying "they just not need to flounce it around" implies that it is :conf:

[Jason.]

]tbh Helen should have done it privately[/B], or accused him of cheating instead of outing his sexuality. like people who are gay/ bi that are not confident to come out and they get called out it's not nice:laugh:

:joker:

Privately.
I'm dead.

How was she going to do it privately, on the BB15 Whats App group chat?

In all fairness, I'm not condoning it, but Matthew and Toya instigated that argument. Bringing her past into the argument and referring to a human as "it" is disrespectful.

Not to mention, implying they have AIDS as they had to share a toilet with her.

[Lostie!]

I can't think of a single series I've watched that hasn't had stereotypes, this isn't anything new.

What does straight acting even mean? Do they need to eat pussy?

It's a really annoying term tbh. and A gay guy is only "straight acting" if he's getting off with girls and not guys. A gay guy being masculine doesn't make him "straight acting", just like a straight guy who's effeminate (yes, there are plenty) isn't "gay acting".

[Liam-]

Well saying "they just not need to flounce it around" implies that it is :conf:

Yeah, i said that in response to the 'Do they need to eat pussy?' comment, it didn't imply that it was wrong to be effeminate at all.

[Babayaro.]

Dan(BB14) wasn't overtly camp iirc

[Jason.]

I love how this thread went from BB stereotypes to gay stereotypes.

[Daniel.]

I loved straight acting Kemal

[Cal.]

I loved straight acting Kemal

Slay

[Raph]

that's why I loved Kenny BBCAN2 so much cause it was actually a gay guy I could entirely relate to

[Raph]

Dan(BB14) wasn't overtly camp iirc

He was way too camp imo, such a bitchy person who was so mean to Callum :mad:

[Denver]

yes

Source?

[Daniel.]

Go find it yourself :spin:

[LukeB]

He was way too camp imo, such a bitchy person who was so mean to Callum :mad:

:yuk: this we can agree on glad the public got rid of him

[Denver]

Not here for "straight acting" the term makes me feel ill.

There is no such thing imo to me 'straight Acting' is living a lie and not being out

[Daniel.]

He was way too camp imo, such a bitchy person who was so mean to Callum :mad:

No such thing as way too camp.

[reece(:]

who did she out?

Matthew on Twitter

Confirming how awful she is

[Cal.]

I love Dennis from BB9 - I could relate to him so much x

[Firewire]

No such thing as way too camp.

[2]

[Firewire]

I love Dennis from BB9 - I could relate to him so much x

same!! he was bitchy and Scottish like moi x

[reece(:]

same!! he was bitchy and Scottish like moi x
:joker:

[LukeB]

Confirming how awful she is

http://i.imgur.com/XJu3So4.gif

[Cal.]

Lol why was everyone so pressed Helen outed Matthew - he randomly tweeted hate about Helen being a prositute months after BB15 first.

[Denver]

I love Dennis from BB9 - I could relate to him so much x

Not here for people enjoying spitting in other peoples faces :idc:

[Daniel.]

Lol why was everyone so pressed Helen outed Matthew - he randomly tweeted hate about Helen being a prositute months after BB15 first.

:clap1:

[Jason.]

Confirming how awful she is

CBB15: Cami-Li

[Raph]

No such thing as way too camp.

Sorry, what I meant was that he didn't fall under the 'straight-acting' (as silly and meaningless as that term is) category. There's nothing wrong with being camp, and it should be embraced if it's part of a person's personality, but it would be nice if gay people weren't exclusively characterized as camp/flamboyant in Big Brother UK. In my opinion, that in itself is making a mockery of the gay community.

[Cal.]

Not here for people enjoying spitting in other peoples faces :idc:

I spit in people's faces every day if they try to defend their friend drawing on my friends painting so I think you should ****

[Raph]

I love Dennis from BB9 - I could relate to him so much x

Really? lol such a random person to be able to relate to :laugh:

[reece(:]

CBB15: Cami-Li
Irrelevant bringing up Cartoon Cami tbh.

[armand.kay]

No such thing as way too camp.

this be yourselves hunnies x

[Jason.]

Lol why was everyone so pressed Helen outed Matthew - he randomly tweeted hate about Helen being a prositute months after BB15 first.

It wasn't right what Helen did.

But, when you instigate the argument and make out as if you've caught an STD, just because you shared a toilet with an ex-prostitute.

Matthew was asking for it.

[Daniel.]

Cami Li was a much nicer person than Helen

[Jason.]

Irrelevant bringing up Cartoon Cami tbh.

Glassing someone in the face Vs. Outing someone for being a homosexual.

Yeah, okay.

[Jason.]

Cami Li was a much nicer person than Helen

She really wasn't

Nice people don't glass people in the face or threaten to slit someones throat.
Imagine if a man said that to woman.

[Denver]

I spit in people's faces every day if they try to defend their friend drawing on my friends painting so I think you should ****

Disgraceful thuggish behaviour imo

[Cal.]

Disgraceful thuggish behaviour imo

I say sorry afterwards

[Jason.]

I say sorry afterwards

:joker:

[Denver]

I say sorry afterwards

And that makes it alright because?

[Daniel.]

She really wasn't

Nice people don't glass people in the face or threaten to slit someones throat.
Imagine if a man said that to woman.

Helen is a hateful person

Cami was just messy but funny, and you don't know the story behind the glass incident so.

[Cal.]

And that makes it alright because?

I'm just really sad because I wanna smoke mariGuana but I'm too scared

[Jason.]

Helen is a hateful person

Cami was just messy but funny, and you don't know the story behind the glass incident so.

She glassed her ex-boyfriend in the face, and was arrested for it.
I think everyone who's heard about it knows the story.

When was Cami ever loveable?
Every storyline she was involved in, featured aggressive threats, and foul language.

Helen was gobby and Cami was a thug.

Must say, I'm surprised your defending her as your an Alicia fan.

[reece(:]

Helen is a hateful person

Cami was just messy but funny, and you don't know the story behind the glass incident so.
Exactly, and I took Cami as a cartoon parody of herself which made me support her. She was one of the most messy HMs in the past few years.

Who I support is really irrelevant to the whole debate of stereotypes anyway.

[Lostie!]

Sorry, what I meant was that he didn't fall under the 'straight-acting' (as silly and meaningless as that term is) category. There's nothing wrong with being camp, and it should be embraced if it's part of a person's personality, but it would be nice if gay people weren't exclusively characterized as camp/flamboyant in Big Brother UK. In my opinion, that in itself is making a mockery of the gay community.

One of the first steps to getting rid of stereotypes is to stop using the term "straight acting", as that itself perpetuates the "straight = masculine, gay = feminine" stereotypes that we're talking about. Using that term when talking about how you're tired of stereotypes being over-represented is counter-productive, I feel.

I definitely agree with the sentiment, though. Non-stereotypical gay guys should definitely be represented more in Big Brother (alongside those who happen to be more camp of course, the solution isn't to act like camp gays don't exist, but to acknowledge that they're not the only ones who do). :)

[Raph]

Every BBUK thread ends up being something to do with Ashleigh/Helen from last season, end of the day they along with everyone else from that season were all awful people and should never have been cast in the first place!! :tongue:

[Daniel.]

She glassed her ex-boyfriend in the face, and was arrested for it.
I think everyone who's heard about it knows the story.

When was Cami ever loveable?
Every storyline she was involved in, featured aggressive threats, and foul language.

Helen was gobby and Cami was a thug.

Must say, I'm surprised your defending her as your an Alicia fan.

She wasn't loveable? She was funny though and to me brought more than just aggression, unlike Helen.

I don't even like Cami Li that much, but yes I will defend her when she's compared to the much worse Helen.

[Jason.]

I'm sorry. I'm fine with people having their opinion.

But supporting Cami-Li really is strange.

I wonder if you'd support a man who glassed a woman in the face. After all Conor was vilified for making a threat.

[Daniel.]

Every BBUK thread ends up being something to do with Ashleigh/Helen from last season, end of the day they along with everyone else from that season were all awful people and should never have been cast in the first place!! :tongue:

No one was talking Ashleigh welp

[Raph]

One of the first steps to getting rid of stereotypes is to stop using the term "straight acting", as that itself perpetuates the "straight = masculine, gay = feminine" stereotypes that we're talking about. Using that term when talking about how you're tired of stereotypes being over-represented is counter-productive, I feel.

I definitely agree with the sentiment, though. Non-stereotypical gay guys should definitely be represented more in Big Brother (alongside those who happen to be more camp of course, the solution isn't to act like camp gays don't exist, but to acknowledge that they're not the only ones who do). :)

I hear you, but in my defense I wouldn't usually use that term, and was referring to it being brought up earlier on in the thread. But yes, either way diversity, diversity, diversity. Gender, sexuality, age, culture, ethnicity everything, that's what makes for a great show in my opinion :)

[Cal.]

I think you should all shut up, vile beasts:hehe:

[Jason.]

She wasn't loveable? She was funny though and to me brought more than just aggression, unlike Helen.

I don't even like Cami Li that much, but yes I will defend her when she's compared to the much worse Helen.

When was she funny.
All she brought was shouting at Perez, whom I'm also not keen on, bullying Alicia and trying to shag Calum Best.

[Raph]

No one was talking Ashleigh welp

I know. But the conversation was related to Ashleigh/Helen because Helen was involved. I was talking in the broader context, there's no need to be condescending, Daniel.

[Daniel.]

When was she funny.
All she brought was shouting at Perez, whom I'm also not keen on, and trying to shag Calum Best.

Her messy ways of speaking and Perez clocking made me laugh.

[reece(:]

Because squeaky goblin Cami is so alike to Conor, OK :pat: :joker:

[Lostie!]

I hear you, but in my defense I wouldn't usually use that term, and was referring to it being brought up earlier on in the thread. But yes, either way diversity, diversity, diversity. Gender, sexuality, age, culture, ethnicity everything, that's what makes for a great show in my opinion :)

Fair enough, and yeah I definitely agree with you. :)

[Cal.]

Bye Daniella

[Daniel.]

I know. But the conversation was related to Ashleigh/Helen because Helen was involved. I was talking in the broader context, there's no need to be condescending, Daniel.

Not everything related to Ashleigh is to do with Helen and vice versa...Helen was being talked about, not Ashleigh.

[Jason.]

Her messy ways of speaking and Perez clocking made me laugh.

If you say so.
I just found her to be a more aggressive version of Helen. TBH.

That argument in the bedroom with Alicia pretty much spoke volumes.

[Daniel.]

If you say so.
I just found her to be a more aggressive version of Helen. TBH.

That argument in the bedroom with Alicia pretty much spoke volumes.

Lmfao.

[Raph]

Not everything related to Ashleigh is to do with Helen and vice versa...Helen was being talked about, not Ashleigh.

I didn't say it was related to Ashleigh? I said conversations always end up being about Ashleigh/Helen (meaning or, not and).

[Jason.]

Because squeaky goblin Cami is so alike to Conor, OK :pat: :joker:

I'm just saying.
A woman who actually physically assaulted someone is supported, but a man who makes a threat, is vilified.

I'm not a fan of Conor, I despise the ****. But he didn't physically attack anyone, like Cami did.

Regardless if it was in the house or not.

What about her threatening to slit Perez's throat?

[Denver]

This thread is a mess

[Raph]

I'm just saying.
A woman who actually physically assaulted someone is supported, but a man who makes a threat, is vilified.

I'm not a fan of Conor, I despise the ****. But he didn't physically attack anyone, like Cami did.

Regardless if it was in the house or not.

What about her threatening to slit Perez's throat?

:clap1: I consider myself a feminist even, but the argument goes both ways. You can't vilify a man and not a woman for the same actions.

[Jason.]

Lmfao.

She was.

Helen was a bitch and bully at worst.
But Cami was a trashy, aggressive, thug.

[Lostie!]

I'm just saying.
A woman who actually physically assaulted someone is supported, but a man who makes a threat, is vilified.

I'm not a fan of Conor, I despise the ****. But he didn't physically attack anyone, like Cami did.

Regardless if it was in the house or not.

What about her threatening to slit Perez's throat?

I don't agree with you on everything BB6, but I completely agree with that.

:clap1: I consider myself a feminist even, but the argument goes both ways. You can't vilify a man and not a woman for the same actions.

Absolutely true.

[LukeB]

I'm just saying.
A woman who actually physically assaulted someone is supported, but a man who makes a threat, is vilified.

I'm not a fan of Conor, I despise the ****. But he didn't physically attack anyone, like Cami did.

Regardless if it was in the house or not.

What about her threatening to slit Perez's throat?

:worship:

Conor is a rapist apparently when he has not raped anyone, makes no sense does it?:joker:

[Daniel.]

Conor the rapist :bored:

[Raph]

Also on the lines of women saying things and getting entirely away with them - Katie Hopkins making fun of Perez's penis? I mean emasculating him in the process to begin with but also being so uneducated that she has to resort to insults stuck in the gender binary, is disgusting.

Also if Grace was a guy and had chucked water all over Susie? Things would've been a lot different. Sexism is a brutal thing folks, and it works both ways.

[Lostie!]

Also on the lines of women saying things and getting entirely away with them - Katie Hopkins making fun of Perez's penis? I mean emasculating him in the process to begin with but also being so uneducated that she has to resort to insults stuck in the gender binary, is disgusting.

Also if Grace was a guy and had chucked water all over Susie? Things would've been a lot different. Sexism is a brutal thing folks, and it works both ways.

Agreed again.

It reminds me of Spitgate when Bex got in Mohamed's face, but when he stood his ground he was accused of "squaring up to a girl". None of the Whisper Club cretins even acnowledged that she got in his face to begin with.

[Daniel.]

welp

[Raph]

welp

Thanks for the intellectual contribution to the discussion about gender and sexism, Daniel! :thumbs:

[Jason.]

Agreed again.

It reminds me of Spitgate when Bex got in Mohamed's face, but when he stood his ground he was accused of "squaring up to a girl". None of the Whisper Club cretins even acnowledged that she got in his face to begin with.

This.

It's like how women get away with flirting with younger males. See Edwina Currie, in IAC.

Yet, Chris in BB15 is branded all sorts just for being friends with a female housemate who is 18 years of age.
And I'm not even a fan of Chris.

[reece(:]

Cami was a cartoon caricature with parodied Bad Girls Club styled expressions, let's not make out she was the threatening big bad wolf, because if she was BB would have stepped in - like they did with Conor.

[Raph]

And end of the day, insinuating that Cami's actions aren't as signficant as those of Conor's is also just promoting benevolent sexism - viewing women as sweet innocent people who cannot by any means be a threat to men.

[Jason.]

Cami was a cartoon caricature with parodied Bad Girls Club styled expressions, let's not make out she was the threatening big bad wolf, because if she was BB would have stepped in - like they did with Conor.

I'm sorry.

How old are you?
Six?

[LukeB]

This.

It's like how women get away with flirting with younger males. See Edwina Currie, in IAC.

Yet, Chris in BB15 is branded all sorts just for being friends with a female housemate who is 18 years of age.
And I'm not even a fan of Chris.

The treatment Chris got was really unfair tbh

icr but didn't jemima flirt with Sam?

[Raph]

Cami was a cartoon caricature with parodied Bad Girls Club styled expressions, let's not make out she was the threatening big bad wolf, because if she was BB would have stepped in - like they did with Conor.

Honestly, I don't remember much about what Cami was like, but benevolent sexism and sexism for both genders due to society's structures is a real thing and very relevant in the context of social experiments such as Big Brother

[reece(:]

I'm sorry.

How old are you?
Six?
I'll stop here if it's going to resort to personal insults, toodlepip.

[Raph]

I'll stop here if it's going to resort to personal insults, toodlepip.

Yeah personal insults aren't necessary, I honestly always find discourses about gender and sexism so incredibly important and interesting

[Denver]

This.

It's like how women get away with flirting with younger males. See Edwina Currie, in IAC.

Yet, Chris in BB15 is branded all sorts just for being friends with a female housemate who is 18 years of age.
And I'm not even a fan of Chris.

TBF Chris wanted more with Princess Pimple

[Jason.]

The treatment Chris got was really unfair tbh

icr but didn't jemima flirt with Sam?

Yes.
Exactly.

A woman does it, and it's seen as harmless cougar flirting.

If a man dares to do it, it's seen as dare I say it, creepy pedophilia, or something along the lines of that.

[Daniel.]

Thanks for the intellectual contribution to the discussion about gender and sexism, Daniel! :thumbs:

No problem

[Jason.]

I'll stop here if it's going to resort to personal insults, toodlepip.

It wasn't an insult.
I'm sorry if your offended.

But using this silly cartoon thingy to back up your support for someone.

What else did you expect me to think?

[Raph]

Yes.
Exactly.

A woman does it, and it's seen as harmless cougar flirting.

If a man dares to do it, it's seen as dare I say it, creepy pedophilia, or something along the lines of that.

But again, that's an example of benevolent sexism because it's insinuating that women are too 'weak' (albeit not so overtly) to be able to be threatening to a male. Very frustrating as benevolent sexism is one of the hardest forms of sexism to tackle as it's articulated in the form of praise, hence making it that much more important to discuss.

[Daniel.]

Loads of housemates have been cartoon's though...not to be taken seriously...Makosi, Nikki, Charley, Caroline BB13, Gina, Danielle etc

[Lostie!]

But if Cami really did assault one of her exes, surely she's more than just a cartoon caricature not to be taken seriously?

[Jason.]

Loads of housemates have been cartoon's though...not to be taken seriously...Makosi, Nikki, Charley, Caroline BB13, Gina, Danielle etc

What is this cartoon?

Those you've listed above are real humans.

Is this another TIBB txt spk that I don't understand?

[Daniel.]

In the house though, I don't care how they are outside the house, and anyway I don't even like Cami Li that much at all, just she was no where near as bad as Helen.

[Jason.]

What are these cartoons?

Can someone explain.
I'm so confused.

[Jason.]

I'm taking a shower, I'll be back in ten.

I need to urinate, too.
Not in the shower, though.

[Daniel.]

Welp :umm2:

[Donovan.]

It probably has a lot to do with what Conor said in the house versus what Cami did outside of the house. Cami legit assaulted somebody, but because we didn't see it televised with some dramatic music and reaction shots of other housemates, a lot of people aren't really going to be able to care as much as they would if it was on t.v. It's a sad truth, but were more emotionally attached to things that we experience "firsthand."

And I would definitely say that most of Cami's comments against Alicia and Perez were just as bad as Conor's comments against Deana, but another factor that could go into more people supporting Cami while hating Conor, is the fact that Cami went against Perez (who was ****ing hated on an entirely new level) making Cami's actions in the house seem more acceptable.

Hating on Conor for what he said, while not being bothered by what Cami did makes no sense to me, but there are a ton of factors that go into housemate likability and they aren't inherently sexist.

Not to say that there isn't an obvious girl oriented support base on this forum, but even that probably has more to do with production and casting. Things really aren't that black and white or simple

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I loved straight acting Kemal

:joker:

No such thing as way too camp.

:clap1:

[Jason.]

It probably has a lot to do with what Conor said in the house versus what Cami did outside of the house. Cami legit assaulted somebody, but because we didn't see it televised with some dramatic music and reaction shots of other housemates, a lot of people aren't really going to be able to care as much as they would if it was on t.v. It's a sad truth, but were more emotionally attached to things that we experience "firsthand."

And I would definitely say that most of Cami's comments against Alicia and Perez were just as bad as Conor's comments against Deana, but another factor that could go into more people supporting Cami while hating Conor, is the fact that Cami went against Perez (who was ****ing hated on an entirely new level) making Cami's actions in the house seem more acceptable.

Hating on Conor for what he said, while not being bothered by what Cami did makes no sense to me, but there are a ton of factors that go into housemate likability and they aren't inherently sexist.

Not to say that there isn't an obvious girl oriented support base on this forum, but even that probably has more to do with production and casting. Things really aren't that black and white or simple

I agree.
I think with the point in bold, it's more double standards which exists within the viewers.

If a housemate goes against another housemate you dislike, one is more likely to find their behaviour acceptable, as it fits in with your opinion. Helen vs. Ashleigh, from BB15 being perfect example of this.

But, if a housemate goes against your favourite housemate, one is more likely to go against that person.

[little.lilly]

I loved straight acting Kemal

Kemal was apparently dating Kinga!!! Obviously not a PR stunt!!

[Black Dagger]

Reading back the past few pages. The term straight acting is actually gross. And Cami Li is pond scum

[Pete.]

Condragulations you are the winner of this weeks challenge

[Pete.]

pretty girl

Brinty and Iggy Iggs Promo?

[Headie]

Yeah personal insults aren't necessary, I honestly always find discourses about gender and sexism so incredibly important and interesting

Thanks for the intellectual contribution to the discussion about gender and sexism, Daniel! :thumbs:

So... What is the truth?

[Pete.]

Is straight acting gay Kenny in reverse?

[uniquedude]

BB15 had a lot of stereotypes in the cast looking back:

Angry black females - Pauline and Toya
Slutty slapper - Biannca
Blonde woman with big tits - Tamara
Thick Essex geezer - Winston
Camp gay - Mark and Matthew
Innocent 18 year old - Ashleigh

Steven fitted into a stereotype, I'm just not sure which one.

Matthew isnt gay and Ashleigh wasnt innocent, slapper is not a stereotype.

[Jason.]

Matthew isnt gay and Ashleigh wasnt innocent, slapper is not a stereotype.

Matthew's going out with Mark.

Ashleigh did seem like the innocent eighteen year old for the first few weeks.
Didn't speak much, seemed sweet, had a teddy bear, etc.

[ruiphillips]

Disgusting tbh

[jennyjuniper]

When Rylan tries to look sincere whilst saying 'BB is not set up', then it's hard to believe anything he does say.