Riots over tory's being in power in westminister..

[Jemal]

But different media outlets are trying to ignore it:shrug:

Love this. #TorysOutNow

[reece(:]

Does this happen every election or nah? Here for the tories getting fumed though

[Jemal]

Does this happen every election or nah? Here for the tories getting fumed though

Nope. First time this has happen in yearrrrs.
Not even sure its ever happened.

[Ninastar]

So who is exactly doing the rioting?

[Denver]

So who is exactly doing the rioting?

Well the Mods seem quite today :think:

[Vanessa]

Well the Mods seem quite today :think:

:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

They're extreme dickheads, but I can understand why they're angry.

But instead of blaming the Tories and defacing the World War II wall, why not actually fight back against the Media that rigged it for the Tories to win and led a massive hate campaign against Ed Milliband?

[Glenn.]

It's hilarious. The won the election with a majority. The public has spoken.

[Tom4784]

I haven't heard anything about this but I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. Tories were only bearable last term because the Lib Dems were there to curb some of their worst plans but with a Tory majority we're gonna have a turbulent few years.

There will be riots if the cuts that the Tories have planned go ahead. It sickens me the working class actually voted for them into power again even though the Tories will be spreading their cheeks and ****ing them every chance they get. The stupidity of the UK astounds me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fail thread

[Ninastar]

any links to prove this is happening?

[Jemal]

Go on twitter and look at the pixtures and videos??
Four men arrested. Two police officers in hospital.

[Mystic Mock]

It's hilarious. The won the election with a majority. The public has spoken.

No the Media scared the public into voting the Tories into a majority.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/09/20/288073B600000578-3074951-image-a-55_1431200444023.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/09/19/28805F1C00000578-0-image-a-5_1431195169541.jpg
Some of the protesters wore masks and balaclavas in a bid to hide their identity from police officers attempting to keep the peace

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3074951/Socialist-siege-Downing-Street-Hard-left-activists-clash-police-following-David-Cameron-s-triumphant-return-Number-10.html#ixzz3ZfpOrgEF

[Jemal]

"Fail thread"

Do one.

[Jack_]

I said it in the election thread on the night but there will be multiple riots over the next five years I expect, by 2020 this country is going to be in a desperate state, probably without Scotland, out of the EU and a hell of a lot of social unrest

[Vanessa]

OMG this looks bad! :o

[GypsyGoth]

They should deport all the protestors to Syria.

[user104658]

It's hilarious. The won the election with a majority. The public has spoken.
Less than half of the voting public voted them in, so everyone else should just fill over and take it in the tailpipe?

Your politics are ****, good sir.

[Ninastar]

No the Media scared the public into voting the Tories into a majority.

:joker::joker:

I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure people can make their own minds up

[Denver]

60% of the people who voted the tories dont know what they have done and will regret it over the next 5 years

[Tom4784]

:joker::joker:

I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure people can make their own minds up

They did and they made the worst possible decision ever.

[Jemal]

Sorry but i still maintan the fact that this majority win was one of the most dubious elections win i've ever seen.

Same way these media outlets aren't even reporting the protests/riots which makes it much more clearer to me that they are "pro-tory" and have been pro-tory for the duriation of this election and campaign.

[Ninastar]

People can blame 'tories' for rioting all they like, but it is down to each dumbass individual who wakes up in the morning with full intent of causing trouble. I have absolutely no sympathy for people who get themselves injured or arrested when rioting. There is no excuse.

[Denver]

Sorry but i still maintan the fact that this majority win was one of the most dubious elections win i've ever seen.

Same way these media outlets aren't even reporting the protests/riots which makes it much more clearer to me that they are "pro-tory" and have been pro-tory for the duriation of this election and campaign.

Well the Sun had a full campaign to stop UKIP getting seats which is very unprofessional

[user104658]

:joker::joker:

I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure people can make their own minds up
People are susceptible to influence and the media has been heavily Tory-biased, there's really no question about that. I don't know if the result would have been much different but to say that the press doesn't play a roll in politics is just... Not correct.

[Mystic Mock]

:joker::joker:

I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure people can make their own minds up

Do you really believe that?

And I'm sorry but the general public seeing Sky News, reading The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Telegraph etc constantly bashing one candidate while worshipping the other is always gonna end in one result.

[Ninastar]

Sorry but i still maintan the fact that this majority win was one of the most dubious elections win i've ever seen.

Same way these media outlets aren't even reporting the protests/riots which makes it much more clearer to me that they are "pro-tory" and have been pro-tory for the duriation of this election and campaign.

If anything, people watching this on TV would surely think that the rioters were in the wrong? If things get bad enough, it will be on TV. I don't see how this is in favor of the Tories. It just makes people who aren't Tory look bad.

[Jemal]

Well the Sun had a full campaign to stop UKIP getting seats which is very unprofessional

From what I remember, the sun even had a headline a week before the vote of "Its a tory" signalling their intent of supporting the torys

[Jemal]

If anything, people watching this on TV would surely think that the rioters were in the wrong? If things get bad enough, it will be on TV. I don't see how this is in favor of the Tories. It just makes people who aren't Tory look bad.

Disagree. Your telling me reporting that the muppets are coming out with a new movie is much more important that the coverage of this?

[smudgie]

Disgusting thugs.
To think that people fought and died for the scum that deface war memorials.

[Ninastar]

All media is biased... Towards tories, towards non-tories... you hear news channels accusing peope of being X all the time.

[Benjamin]

No the Media scared the public into voting the Tories into a majority.

They didn't scare me into voting for them :idc:

[Ninastar]

Disagree. Your telling me reporting that the muppets are coming out with a new movie is much more important that the coverage of this?

No, I don't believe that at all. Not sure where you got that from. I think this is very important...

[Cherie]

From what I remember, the sun even had a headline a week before the vote of "Its a tory" signalling their intent of supporting the torys

The Sun has backed the Tories for years

[Ninastar]

They didn't scare me into voting for them :idc:

Are you sure? I thought I saw Cameron holding a whip behind you in your latest selfie!!!!!!

[Benjamin]

Are you sure? I thought I saw Cameron holding a whip behind you in your latest selfie!!!!!!

That was for different reasons ;)

[Ninastar]

That was for different reasons ;)

Kinky!!! ;)

[user104658]

From what I remember, the sun even had a headline a week before the vote of "Its a tory" signalling their intent of supporting the torys
The Scottish sun ran a huge front page supporting the SNP after months of being openly pro Tory, quite obviously designed to do nothing more than ensure that labours chances were further eroded. I don't believe fir one second that it was genuinely pro SNP. Which is frankly, underhanded and disgusting.

In my opinion it turned out to be an own goal though, because they would have taken a majority anyway and will actually face more problems with SNP on 56 seats than they would have with labour taking say 10 of those.

[Cherie]

Disgusting thugs.
To think that people fought and died for the scum that deface war memorials.

:clap1: any excuse for a rampage

[Denver]

They didn't scare me into voting for them :idc:

Do you work? Are you in a average job with average wages? With tories in charge you wont have a decent job as they will ruin it and you will have to pay for your healthcare

[Jemal]

People might not understand why i'm so angry at torys being in power.
But being a student in this generation is already so tough. But now to add a rise to an already raised student fees is just disgusting and selfish in my opinion.

also NHS aswell. I'm still yet to meet a person who has actually given me a great reason for voting conservatives. Please I would love to hear.

[Ross.]

People can blame 'tories' for rioting all they like, but it is down to each dumbass individual who wakes up in the morning with full intent of causing trouble. I have absolutely no sympathy for people who get themselves injured or arrested when rioting. There is no excuse.

:clap1:

There's absolutely no point in going out and starting riots over the result, the Tories are hardly going to give up their majority now. :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

They didn't scare me into voting for them :idc:

Yeah you're an individual like some of us Benjamin, sadly not enough of us though.

[Benjamin]

Do you work? Are you in a average job with average wages? With tories in charge you wont have a decent job as they will ruin it and you will have to pay for your healthcare

I do work, my wages are above average and I have funds for healthcare in the event of anything serious, not that it is any of your business. If you don't like that I voted Tories well that's just tough luck, I had my reasons to vote for them.

But Tories winning does not excuse the fact some tossers have defaced a WW2 memorial because they didn't get their own way. It says a lot more about them then anyone else.

[Vanessa]

BBC isn't reporting this. I wonder if it will be in the papers tomorrow. :suspect:

[Denver]

If you think this is bad wait till they sell the NHS which there planning to do there will be millions left tp die as there cant afford to pay health bills

[Jemal]

They have already sold NHS for 780 million.
What kind of ****ery?

[Benjamin]

If you think this is bad wait till they sell the NHS which there planning to do there will be millions left tp die as there cant afford to pay health bills

That is still no reason to deface a WW2 memorial. Is it? Am I missing something?

[Kyle]

Vandalising a statue commemorating women in WW2. What a wonderful way to show your displeasure at the election results and get people onside. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[Mystic Mock]

BBC isn't reporting this. I wonder if it will be in the papers tomorrow. :suspect:

It won't because we're all pro right wing and the rich remember.

[Denver]

That is still no reason to deface a WW2 memorial. Is it? Am I missing something?

Dont generalise all rioters with defacing WW statues only a few would of done so and well its sick thing to do

[Vanessa]

It won't because we're all pro right wing and the rich remember.

I think daily mail will run it.

[Kyle]

I think daily mail will run it.

Daily mail online is already running with it.

[Jemal]

Typical to generalise the protesters with the idiots who defaced the ww2 memorial.

Come on guys, yes its disgusting but my god its black and white that this country is ****ed for the next five years.

[Vanessa]

Daily mail online is already running with it.

That's good. I hope other papers run it as well.

[Mystic Mock]

That is still no reason to deface a WW2 memorial. Is it? Am I missing something?

No it isn't, but is it right that the Tories will be leaving millions of people to die just because we're not rich? Anybody can die within the next 5 years and there's not anything we can do to help ourselves because the NHS is getting destroyed.

[Benjamin]

Dont generalise all rioters with defacing WW statues only a few would of done so and well its sick thing to do

Typical to generalise the protesters with the idiots who defaced the ww2 memorial.

Come on guys, yes its disgusting but my god its black and white that this country is ****ed for the next five years.

No worse than the generalising about Tory voters.

[Jemal]

Not everyones pockets are deep for **** sake.

[Denver]

Tories are the worst thing for this country

No NHS
No Benifits
No Child Tax
High Bedroom Tax

[kirklancaster]

The police and Army should have sprayed round after round of bullets into the anarchist crowds - And i don't mean fecking rubber ones.

[Cherie]

People might not understand why i'm so angry at torys being in power.
But being a student in this generation is already so tough. But now to add a rise to an already raised student fees is just disgusting and selfish in my opinion.

also NHS aswell. I'm still yet to meet a person who has actually given me a great reason for voting conservatives. Please I would love to hear.

Student fees were brought in during a Labour government, the Tories have not confirmed any rise as yet, time to lobby your MP Jemal, English students are subsidising the Scots and the Welsh

[Denver]

No worse than the generalising about Tory voters.

The tories were bulit up on money you only have tp listen to them when they sound like snob and went to same gender boarding schools

[Vanessa]

The police and Army should have sprayed round after round of bullets into the anarchist crowds - And i don't mean fecking rubber ones.

D:

[kirklancaster]

No worse than the generalising about Tory voters.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:Well said Benjamin. (and I didn't vote Tory this time)

[Cherie]

The tories were bulit up on money you only have tp listen to them when they sound like snob and went to same gender boarding schools

Jeez Ed Miliband was hardly from some sink estate :laugh:

[Ross.]

Jeez Ed Miliband was hardly from some sink estate :laugh:

:joker:

[Denver]

Jeez Ed Miliband was hardly from some sink estate :laugh:

But at least he cared for the poor

I agree with ed millionaires should be made to pay massive taxes yet they dodge them all the time

[Jemal]

Student fees were brought in during a Labour government, the Tories have not confirmed any rise as yet, time to lobby your MP Jemal, English students are subsidising the Scots and the Welsh

True that it was brought in by labour but its labour that was going to give everyone student a chance by reducing the fees to 6K.
Labour realised that not everyone is rich and can splash money without care.

Paying when your ill! Really cherie, theres no way you can convince me this country isnt going to be in a crisis for the next five years.

[Ninastar]

No worse than the generalising about Tory voters.

yes, exactly.

I didn't vote this year and I certainly don't care for Cameron, but people generalise Tories just as badly as any other 'minority'.

[user104658]

The police and Army should have sprayed round after round of bullets into the anarchist crowds - And i don't mean fecking rubber ones.
The worst part is that you're not even joking. :facepalm:

[Mystic Mock]

The tories were bulit up on money you only have tp listen to them when they sound like snob and went to same gender boarding schools

The Tories are right wing, and apart of right wing ideology is that businesses, money, and power are the three most important things.

[T*]

i can't wait for the stupid dicks to see rioters and then join in and start looting **** and hurting innocent people like they did in 2011
sickening tbh

[Denver]

There is no wonder british people emigrate from this mess we wont need to stop imigration either as they would rather be in there own country then this mess

[Cherie]

True that it was brought in by labour but its labour that was going to give everyone student a chance by reducing the fees to 6K.
Labour realised that not everyone is rich and can splash money without care.

Paying when your ill! Really cherie, theres no way you can convince me this country isnt going to be in a crisis for the next five years.

I agree with you about the NHS Jemal that belings to the people ans we pay for it with our taxes, not sure how that will pan out tbh

[T*]

the country wont change from how it was for the next 5 years why the **** do they need to protest :umm2:

[Denver]

the country wont change from how it was for the next 5 years why the **** do they need to protest :umm2:

It really will just ask Greece

[user104658]

i can't wait for the stupid dicks to see rioters and then join in and start looting **** and hurting innocent people like they did in 2011
sickening tbh
This is exactly what will happen and then the very real reasons for this civil unrest will end up buried.

[T*]

complete overreaction that will accomplish nothing

[Vanessa]

It really will just ask Greece

:omg:

[Ross.]

There is no wonder british people emigrate from this mess we wont need to stop imigration either as they would rather be in there own country then this mess

Stop being so dramatic lmao. :laugh:

[Cherie]

It really will just ask Greece

Greece ran out of cash :umm2:

[GypsyGoth]

the country wont change from how it was for the next 5 years why the **** do they need to protest :umm2:

From the pic posted they look like this group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_%28UK%29

they are anti-capiltalists. Such lovely people, I bet they plan to help build hospitals once they finish rioting.

[T*]

It really will just ask Greece

we're all gonna die because the tories are in power!!1 http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg254/oswald621/smilies/iconfrancisku9.gif

[Ross.]

It really will just ask Greece

How can we become Greece if going by what you say, the country is going to be earning more from tuition fees and the privatisation of the NHS? :laugh:

[Cherie]

From the pic posted they look like this group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_%28UK%29

they are anti-capiltalists. Such lovely people, I bet plan to help build hospitals once they finish rioting.

Don't they normally riot on May Day, rioting two days in just over a week must have been too taxing :idc:

[T*]

From the pic posted they look like this group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_%28UK%29

they are anti-capiltalists. Such lovely people, I bet they plan to help build hospitals once they finish rioting.

so its basically a bunch of rapists rioting
how nice

[Tom4784]

Voting for the Tories is fine as long as you can guarantee that you'll be able to stay in your job for the next five years and not become ill and you aren't renting your house/flat.

[Ross.]

we're all gonna die because the tories are in power!!1 http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg254/oswald621/smilies/iconfrancisku9.gif

:joker:

[Jemal]

Voting for the Tories is fine as long as you can guarantee that you'll be able to stay in your job for the next five years and not become ill and you aren't renting your house/flat.

Now this is it. :worship:

[Denver]

How can we become Greece if going by what you say, the country is going to be earning more from tuition fees and the privatisation of the NHS? :laugh:

But the money is not going to the poor

[Pete.]

They're extreme dickheads, but I can understand why they're angry.

But instead of blaming the Tories and defacing the World War II wall, why not actually fight back against the Media that rigged it for the Tories to win and led a massive hate campaign against Ed Milliband?
Don't be silly Millibean dug ha own grave

[joeysteele]

I said it in the election thread on the night but there will be multiple riots over the next five years I expect, by 2020 this country is going to be in a desperate state, probably without Scotland, out of the EU and a hell of a lot of social unrest

That is a picture I have in my mind too Jack_

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a legacy left by David Cameron that could actually end up being far worse than any financial issues left to deal with in 2010.

I have always said Financial problems can in time be sorted out.
Human misery,human cost and break up of Nations,sleepwalking into unforeseen dangers can be a very different thing and much harder to get any positive results to.

[Kazanne]

Pathetic tbh , what sort of people can't accept they won ,like it or lump it,it wasn't fixed ,get a bloody life . No wonder the other party weren't,t voted in if these are the type of people we,de get.

[Vanessa]

Was this talked about by the bbc? I must have missed it. :suspect:

[Gstar]

i'm not surprised

[Vanessa]

Sky news is talking about it now.

[joeysteele]

Voting for the Tories is fine as long as you can guarantee that you'll be able to stay in your job for the next five years and not become ill and you aren't renting your house/flat.

Actually Dezzy that is an excellent summary of things.

I wish that had been the labour's party slogan for this election,it says so much and will be proven right too.
I have really no doubt as to that.

[user104658]

Pathetic tbh , what sort of people can't accept they won ,like it or lump it,it wasn't fixed ,get a bloody life . No wonder the other party weren't,t voted in if these are the type of people we,de get.
I don't think any of them were labour politicians? I might be wrong of course.

Also, "accept they won", "get a life"? It's not a football match, ffs.

[Benjamin]

Was this talked about by the bbc? I must have missed it. :suspect:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32678518

[Cherie]

It was one of the ITV news headlines

[user104658]

Stand by for Cameron taking the moral high ground and making the entire thing about the war memorial.

[Samuel.]

Nothing wrong with protesting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Any evidence

Go on twitter

lol

[MTVN]

Load of tossers, even if you argue that the Tories don't have the mandate of the majority of the country I would bet good money that a great deal more people would back them and the agreed democratic process than would back these violent mask-wearing, graffiti-spraying idiots

Sorry anarchists but there is no appetite for revolution and overhaul in this country. Tomorrow morning Cameron will get on with the real world business of governing the country; some of these protesters will wake up in a police cell. I know who will cut the more sorry figure then.

[bots]

Stand by for Cameron taking the moral high ground and making the entire thing about the war memorial.

This is a public order offence with some criminal damage thrown in for good measure. Interesting to see so many in this thread that think that's just fine. I think many in the UK don't understand what its like to live in a country where people are not given democratic rights, if they did understand, they wouldnt be bleating in threads like this like the sore losers they are.

[user104658]

Load of tossers, even if you argue that the Tories don't have the mandate of the majority of the country I would bet good money that a great deal more people would back them and the agreed democratic process than would back these violent mask-wearing, graffiti-spraying idiots

Sorry anarchists but there is no appetite for revolution and overhaul in this country. Tomorrow morning Cameron will get on with the real world business of governing the country; some of these protesters will wake up in a police cell. I know who will cut the more sorry figure then.

You can appreciate and reflect on why civil unrest occurs without backing or condoning the actions of the people taking part.

Or you can choose to play it down, dismiss it as "tossers", "idiots" and "thugs", and pretend that there aren't very real reasons behind it.

People are frustrated and angry and don't know how to express it, so they smash things up in an impotent rage. Will it get them anywhere? No, it won't, they'll wake up in a cell still powerless and and with nothing changed. Whilst Cameron will get on with governing (dismantling) the country. That's WHY people are frustrated and angry... Precisely because they know that they can't change anything.

[user104658]

This is a public order offence with some criminal damage thrown in for good measure. Interesting to see so many in this thread that think that's just fine. I think many in the UK don't understand what its like to live in a country where people are not given democratic rights, if they did understand, they wouldnt be bleating in threads like this like the sore losers they are.
I don't think it's "just fine" at all but, read my post above.

Cameron will make it ALL about the war memorial. He will not even acknowledge the fact that people are clearly angry and frustrated. He will probably make out that they just used it as an "excuse to cause chaos", because they "want to" and "find it fun".

So no its not "fine" but it's also not "fine" to willfully ignore the very real sociology behind social unrest. For a bystander it's blinkered - for a government it's downright negligent.

[empire]

here's the thing that the labour party would piss all over there working class, voters, with no jobs, low pay, stuck on the dole, cheap labour from the eu, the tory's labour,lib dems,snp, are no different, they are all on the same train, and would do the same thing.

[user104658]

Also, again, this "sore losers" ****. It's not a ****ing football match. Please, please just stop it. There aren't "winners" or "losers", it's not a game, it's people's lives and the world that we live in.

[Ninastar]

Load of tossers, even if you argue that the Tories don't have the mandate of the majority of the country I would bet good money that a great deal more people would back them and the agreed democratic process than would back these violent mask-wearing, graffiti-spraying idiots

Sorry anarchists but there is no appetite for revolution and overhaul in this country. Tomorrow morning Cameron will get on with the real world business of governing the country; some of these protesters will wake up in a police cell. I know who will cut the more sorry figure then.

Well said... I bet more than half of these protesters couldn't even give more than 5 reasons why they hate the tories as well.

[Samuel.]

Well said... I bet more than half of these protesters couldn't even give more than 5 reasons why they hate the tories as well.

Not sure how the amount of reasons is important

[Ninastar]

Not sure how the amount of reasons is important

Because most of them are there just to cause ****

[MTVN]

You can appreciate and reflect on why civil unrest occurs without backing or condoning the actions of the people taking part.

Or you can choose to play it down, dismiss it as "tossers", "idiots" and "thugs", and pretend that there aren't very real reasons behind it.

People are frustrated and angry and don't know how to express it, so they smash things up in an impotent rage. Will it get them anywhere? No, it won't, they'll wake up in a cell still powerless and and with nothing changed. Whilst Cameron will get on with governing (dismantling) the country. That's WHY people are frustrated and angry... Precisely because they know that they can't change anything.

Sure I get that anger can manifest itself in displays of outrage like this, and I do normally try and shy away from a simplistic criticism of it all. But I don't actually find much to sympathise with here. It's pre-emptive protest against a government before they have actually done anything. Fine if you hate the Tories, but under the long-standing democratic process of this country they have secured the legitimate right to govern. If they go on to implement policies that betray the electorate then protest, like when Labour went to Iraq and to some extent when fees were raised with Lib Dem approval. But what they are protesting right now is the very fact of governance, not anything specific that has been done. If it's about the record of the coalition then that was the time to protest, if it's about conservative principles in general well, I'm afraid that you are a minority force and there is little sense in kicking off before those principles manifest themselves in the way that you expect them to.

I believe this protest originally started with this being organised a few days ago: https://www.facebook.com/events/891550857551023/. That says it all: it was arranged to stop a Tory coup in the event of them being a minority government. Unfortunately for them, the situation they expected did not come to pass so the reason for their protest became redundant and like I said they are now rioting against the very fact of a democratic outcome that was not in their favour. Even if that is cause for protest I don't think it is cause for violence and the ugly scenes that were witnessed today.

[bots]

Also, again, this "sore losers" ****. It's not a ****ing football match. Please, please just stop it. There aren't "winners" or "losers", it's not a game, it's people's lives and the world that we live in.

It wasn't a football match, it was a general election that was WON by the conservative party. Those out demonstrating on the streets do not accept the democratic process that is the general election, and are in fact anarchists.

Returning to my point, those on the streets were sore losers because they decided to take to the streets when their party didnt win ... ie LOST.

[JoshBB]

Well said... I bet more than half of these protesters couldn't even give more than 5 reasons why they hate the tories as well.

1) For planned welfare cuts, probably resulting in further poverty.
2) Punishing the poor with cuts while awarding tax cuts to the millionaires.
3) Their complete disregard for our environment and lack of care for global warming
4) Continued badger culls and plans to overturn the hunting ban
5) The continuation of privatisation to the NHS.

And on top of that, 63% of the country DID NOT vote for them. Where is democracy?

[Ninastar]

1) For planned welfare cuts, probably resulting in further poverty.
2) Punishing the poor with cuts while awarding tax cuts to the millionaires.
3) Their complete disregard for our environment and lack of care for global warming
4) Continued badger culls and plans to overturn the hunting ban
5) The continuation of privatisation to the NHS.

And on top of that, 63% of the country DID NOT vote for them. Where is democracy?

i'm on about the people rioting, love...

[JoshBB]

i'm on about the people rioting, love...

And those reasons are why they are rioting, love.....

[MTVN]

1) For planned welfare cuts, probably resulting in further poverty.
2) Punishing the poor with cuts while awarding tax cuts to the millionaires.
3) Their complete disregard for our environment and lack of care for global warming
4) Continued badger culls and plans to overturn the hunting ban
5) The continuation of privatisation to the NHS.

And on top of that, 63% of the country DID NOT vote for them. Where is democracy?

So who governs then? Labour with 30%? Labour + the SNP with 35%? Still less than the Tories and they said they wouldn't do a deal with each other anyway. You are never going to get a party with over 50% of the vote in British politics. What the Tories did do is win more votes than anyone else and they had the majority of UK constituencies vote for a Conservative to represent them at a national level.

But yeah some badgers might be culled, better go deface a war memorial!

[Northern Monkey]

I can't stand the Tories as much as anyone but these rioters have just shat all over their cause and the statement they were trying to make.Instead of protesting in large numbers peacefully they've made themselves look like thugs and no better than the looters in 2011.Defacing the war memorial has taken the focus off the heartless Conservative government and turned it on to a bunch of disrespectful thugs who want to deface and smash stuff up.They have done their cause no favours at all.I agree though that this kind of stuff is likely to happen more and more the deeper the Tory cuts wound the average person in this country.But when a protest turns into a mindless rampage of thuggery the cause gets lost in translation.

[Ninastar]

And those reasons are why they are rioting, love.....

that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying, we all know you hate the tories for whatever reasons... i'm on about the fact that most of the people rioting probably have no idea what's even going on in the political world and are just using it as an excuse to be twats...

Peaceful protesting is understandable, but causing trouble isn't.

[JoshBB]

that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying, we all know you hate the tories for whatever reasons... i'm on about the fact that most of the people rioting probably have no idea what's even going on in the political world and are just using it as an excuse to be twats...

Peaceful protesting is understandable, but causing trouble isn't.

"most of the people rioting probably have no idea what's going on"

There are probably a few people using the protest as an excuse for hooliganism but I do not think that accounts for 'most' of the turnout.

[MTVN]

Won't see Lib Dems rioting despite being obliterated from the electoral map and deprived of all influence :inamood:

[JoshBB]

Won't see Lib Dems rioting despite being obliterated from the electoral map and deprived of all influence :inamood:

Well that's because they have no voters :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

Won't see Lib Dems rioting despite being obliterated from the electoral map and deprived of all influence :inamood:

Don't think there's enough of them for a riot:laugh:

[MTVN]

Scratch that, just heard that Josy is going to lead the Danny Alexander People's Army in a protest on the streets of Inverness tomorrow

[JoshBB]

She'll be the only one going :laugh:

[bots]

There is nothing wrong with people being passionate in their political beliefs, they just need to make sure that they get their act together for the next election and put forward proposals and solutions that engage the voting majority. They have 5 years to prepare - no excuses.

[MTVN]

tbh any Anarchist or Communist worth their salt would be as vociferously protesting a Labour government as well

[Mystic Mock]

Don't be silly Millibean dug ha own grave

David Cameron was also digging his own grave until the Media basically shielded him.

[Mystic Mock]

Because most of them are there just to cause ****

Are you reading the Daily Mail? Or watching Sky News? The people doing the stuff to the war memorial was a tiny minority, I know that the right wing Media will blow it out of proportion but the truth is out there.

[Kazanne]

Well that's because they have no voters :laugh:

Obviously Labour don't have that many either or didn't vote,now they are being mardi arses and throwing their dummies out their prams ,disgusting behaviour:hehe:

[Kazanne]

Are you reading the Daily Mail? Or watching Sky News? The people doing the stuff to the war memorial was a tiny minority, I know that the right wing Media will blow it out of proportion but the truth is out there.

Doesn't matter if it was ONE Mock,it was defaced,no excuses,i am sure you would be livid had it been the other way round.

[Mystic Mock]

Obviously Labour don't have that many either or didn't vote,now they are being mardi arses and throwing their dummies out their prams ,disgusting behaviour:hehe:

Well Labour had more than 8 seats.:laugh:

[JoshBB]

Obviously Labour don't have that many either or didn't vote,now they are being mardi arses and throwing their dummies out their prams ,disgusting behaviour:hehe:

I'm not a Labour supporter, but they only had 8% less than the tories anyway.

Doesn't matter if it was ONE Mock,it was defaced,no excuses,i am sure you would be livid had it been the other way round.

But it does matter that is was a tiny minority, because the right-wing press are using that minute instance to invalidate the whole anti-austerity argument.

[Mystic Mock]

Doesn't matter if it was ONE Mock,it was defaced,no excuses,i am sure you would be livid had it been the other way round.

I wouldn't tarnish everyone as the same, yes go berserk about the individuals that did that, but I don't like how the peaceful protestors are being lumbered in with the trash.

[Kazanne]

Well Labour had more than 8 seats.:laugh:

So where are they now?:joker:

[Kizzy]

Anyone who died to build this country would be appalled that the tories are tearing it apart tbh.

[Kazanne]

I'm not a Labour supporter, but they only had 8% less than the tories anyway.



But it does matter that is was a tiny minority, because the right-wing press are using that minute instance to invalidate the whole anti-austerity argument.

Josh,there are lots of things in life I don't like,I don't go out destroying property and disrespecting the dead,it seems people seem to think it's ok because it's against a government they don't like,it's NOT alright,whoever is in Downing Street gets there by votes,it's pathetic people are doing this just because things didn't go their way.I wonder how many of them actually voted.

[Kazanne]

Anyone who died to build this country would be appalled that the tories are tearing it apart tbh.

I think they would be more appalled at their monument being defaced.

[smudgie]

Anyone who died to build this country would be appalled that the tories are tearing it apart tbh.

My dad fought in the war for this country Kizzy and he wanted to tear up his labour membership card as they put his wonderful country on its arse.

[Kizzy]

My mother is in her 80s and when she found that the tories were back in she cried.
All the rights good men fought for and worked hard to achieve, the welfare reforms that Nye Bevan introduced are being corroded, we are doing these great men a disservice by not protecting their legacy, that's my view.

[Ammi]

Stand by for Cameron taking the moral high ground and making the entire thing about the war memorial.

..but that wouldn't be him making it about that though, it would be the people or person who defaced the war memorial who made it about that..whatever feelings people have about David Cameron or the Conservative party or if it had been any other party who won...because he wasn't the one who made it about that and neither did the majority of protesters either..protesting is good, uniting in one voice is good when you all feel so strongly about something but sadly as is so often the case, a minority of a few people distract from that voice by making it about something else/by making it about what they have done...and really isn't it those few who are taking a moral high ground in a kind of way because it's placing their heightened feelings above families of people who died for their country, there is no bigger sacrifice or 'hardship' than that..The women of WW2 and the memory of them have nothing to do with anything protested about, and if the focus is about that/the memorial... then it's whoever disrespected it that has made it so...

[arista]

My mother is in her 80s and when she found that the tories were back in she cried.
All the rights good men fought for and worked hard to achieve, the welfare reforms that Nye Bevan introduced are being corroded, we are doing these great men a disservice by not protecting their legacy, that's my view.



Thats OK
not everyone wants Conservative
but Labour put up a Micky Mouse Ed
and kept rushing him around the nation
Except Scotland the place that ED
had to stay hidden
for his own safety.

You have got to Love the Scots

[kirklancaster]

..but that wouldn't be him making it about that though, it would be the people or person who defaced the war memorial who made it about that..whatever feelings people have about David Cameron or the Conservative party or if it had been any other party who won...because he wasn't the one who made it about that and neither did the majority of protesters either..protesting is good, uniting in one voice is good when you all feel so strongly about something but sadly as is so often the case, a minority of a few people distract from that voice by making it about something else/by making it about what they have done...and really isn't it those few who are taking a moral high ground in a kind of way because it's placing their heightened feelings above families of people who died for their country, there is no bigger sacrifice or 'hardship' than that..The women of WW2 and the memory of them have nothing to do with anything protested about, and if the focus is about that/the memorial... then it's whoever disrespected it that has made it so...

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

Truth and sense from Ammi.

[billy123]

My mother is in her 80s and when she found that the tories were back in she cried.
All the rights good men fought for and worked hard to achieve, the welfare reforms that Nye Bevan introduced are being corroded, we are doing these great men a disservice by not protecting their legacy, that's my view.Dont you know none of that matters any more because one prick with a spray can is apparently a more heinous and terrible thing than the blatant targeting of millions of the most vunerable people in society and the dismantling and selling off of our public services to private companies?
Come on Kizzy keep up its the age of the ***** you Jack im alright mentality.

Its not like the U.N. are on the verge of stepping in because they are worried about the Human rights violations inflicted in the disabled in Britain by the torys leading to the torys to wanting to scrap the human rights act in this country now they have been re-elected.

No that pales in significance to the horror of one dick with a paint can.

[user104658]

..but that wouldn't be him making it about that though, it would be the people or person who defaced the war memorial who made it about that..whatever feelings people have about David Cameron or the Conservative party or if it had been any other party who won...because he wasn't the one who made it about that and neither did the majority of protesters either..protesting is good, uniting in one voice is good when you all feel so strongly about something but sadly as is so often the case, a minority of a few people distract from that voice by making it about something else/by making it about what they have done...and really isn't it those few who are taking a moral high ground in a kind of way because it's placing their heightened feelings above families of people who died for their country, there is no bigger sacrifice or 'hardship' than that..The women of WW2 and the memory of them have nothing to do with anything protested about, and if the focus is about that/the memorial... then it's whoever disrespected it that has made it so...
No Ammi he will make it ALL about that. I'm not saying that it wasn't disgusting for a few of those people to do that, and he could (and should) address that whilst also acknowledging people's frustrations and fears and - one would hope - at least trying to reassure those frustrated and afraid people that he is there to do his best for everyone and that his government are not a bunch of bogeymen.

He won't do that. He will bleat on about the vandalism and only the vandalism, vilify everyone involved even those who were nowhere near the war memorial, not because he actually gives a stuff about the war memorial, but because it's a convenient excuse for ignoring the fact that people are genuinely horrified about the election results. Not disappointed, not "sore losers", but horrified. Scared. And the fact that he will have no interest in even trying to offer words of assurance, but will instead dismiss those people in a sweepy gesture as "vandals" and "scum", says it all.

Who knows, he might surprise me. I very, very much doubt it.

[GypsyGoth]

http://i.imgur.com/mvrxCQz.jpg

Charlotte Church has gone over to their side, hopefully we can get Joss Stone, that will teach them!!

[user104658]

http://i.imgur.com/mvrxCQz.jpg

Charlotte Church has gone over to their side, hopefully we can get Joss Stone, that will teach them!!
I read her sign as "I'mma Da Shell" and genuinely spent 10 seconds wondering why Charlotte Church has gone ghetto, and what "da shell" is. I need to go back to bed.


I did actually see a couple of her tweets yesterday.

I also saw some of her posts on Twitter and agreed with them.

[Cherie]

I read her sign as "I'mma Da Shell" and genuinely spent 10 seconds wondering why Charlotte Church has gone ghetto, and what "da shell" is. I need to go back to bed.


I did actually see a couple of her tweets yesterday.

I also saw some of her posts on Twitter and agreed with them.

I read it is Imman Ashell and I wondered who he is :laugh:

[Kazanne]

..but that wouldn't be him making it about that though, it would be the people or person who defaced the war memorial who made it about that..whatever feelings people have about David Cameron or the Conservative party or if it had been any other party who won...because he wasn't the one who made it about that and neither did the majority of protesters either..protesting is good, uniting in one voice is good when you all feel so strongly about something but sadly as is so often the case, a minority of a few people distract from that voice by making it about something else/by making it about what they have done...and really isn't it those few who are taking a moral high ground in a kind of way because it's placing their heightened feelings above families of people who died for their country, there is no bigger sacrifice or 'hardship' than that..The women of WW2 and the memory of them have nothing to do with anything protested about, and if the focus is about that/the memorial... then it's whoever disrespected it that has made it so...

Well said Ammi,there is NO excuse for defacing a memorial or any other property for that matter,it shows them up for the cretins they are.

[arista]

http://i.imgur.com/mvrxCQz.jpg

Charlotte Church has gone over to their side, hopefully we can get Joss Stone, that will teach them!!


Run out of Hit songs
has she

[GypsyGoth]

I read her sign as "I'mma Da Shell" and genuinely spent 10 seconds wondering why Charlotte Church has gone ghetto, and what "da shell" is. I need to go back to bed.


I did actually see a couple of her tweets yesterday.

I also saw some of her posts on Twitter and agreed with them.

:laugh:


And I feel that the anti-austerity cause is harmed when it lets anarchists protest with them. They seem to want to take down the system and they have nothing to replace it with.

http://i.imgur.com/OrL400v.jpg

Like, I can't see how that graffiti helps anyone.

And while I do believe people have a right to protest, but protesting against the winning party in a democratic election just held, seems to be a protest against democracy itself.

[arista]

Well said Ammi,there is NO excuse for defacing a memorial or any other property for that matter,it shows them up for the cretins they are.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/09/20/28811A4400000578-3074951-image-a-58_1431201201011.jpg


Yes but this Left Wing Horror group
says Feck Women

[susie q]

Riots and violence are not the answer to any social problems. Rioters are only playing into the medias hands. The way to protest is to take more of an interest in politics at least at local level, and change things from the inside.

[arista]

Riots and violence are not the answer to any social problems. Rioters are only playing into the medias hands. The way to protest is to take more of an interest in politics at least at local level, and change things from the inside.


You Are Most Wise susie q

[kirklancaster]

Run out of Hit songs
has she

:clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1: You are MOST WISE Arista.

Charlotte Church wasn't on any side but her own when times were good for her.

Here is a 29 year old who voted for THE VERY FIRST TIME in this year's election, maintaining that she has; ''Never voted before in a general election because she thought it was "condoning a broken system" and propping up an "illusion of democracy".

What a crock of Russell Brand-style shet.

Her sudden 'politic-ism' and crusading for the Labour Party coincides with her claims that all her millions have gone and that she will have to work for the rest of her life - "Not because I want to but because I have to." (what does the silly spoilt cow think the rest of us have to do?)

Perhaps in some obscure way she blames Tory Policy for the fact that in 2003 she was reliably reported to be worth £25 million pounds, was down to just £8 million pounds last year and is skint this year, even though the Conservatives were not in Government during most of that period and even though "paperwork lodged with Companies House" show her company currently has £2.4 million of fixed investments and £775,000 of stocks, is owed £240,799, and has nearly £35,000 of cash sat in the bank".

I wish I was as "skint".

I think the key to understanding her 'nouveau politic-ism' is a Russell Brand style attempt to restore the slump in her popularity and appeal among the - largely working class - masses who bought her records,attended her concerts and made her rich in the first place, by falsely 'identifying herself' as 'one of them', but a look at one of her statements concerning her wealth tells the true story:

"I will have to continue working now to keep my lifestyle."

Note; ''Keep my lifestyle'' - not to exist comfortably or 'make do' as the rest of us have to during economic recessions.

Alas, the simple truth is, that she can ONLY keep her lifestyle by keeping working, and she can only keep working, IF the great working class masses who made her then deserted her suddenly start to BUY her and her merchandise again.

Voting for the first time in 11 years and for the Labour Party to boot, and marching under the glare of the TV cameras with a hastily and poorly scrawled placard in a 'Protest Rally' might fool certain people on here - but I can see it for the same fake, self-serving Russell Brand B.S. which it really is.

[user104658]

Riots and violence are not the answer to any social problems. Rioters are only playing into the medias hands. The way to protest is to take more of an interest in politics at least at local level, and change things from the inside.
It's not the answer to social problems, it IS a social problem. An inevitable symptom of a terminally ill political system.

[Kazanne]

:laugh:


And I feel that the anti-austerity cause is harmed when it lets anarchists protest with them. They seem to want to take down the system and they have nothing to replace it with.

http://i.imgur.com/OrL400v.jpg

Like, I can't see how that graffiti helps anyone.

And while I do believe people have a right to protest, but protesting against the winning party in a democratic election just held, seems to be a protest against democracy itself.

I don't think these celebrity endorsements help anyone,I mean just look at Russell Brand for an example:hehe::wavey:

[Kazanne]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/09/20/28811A4400000578-3074951-image-a-58_1431201201011.jpg


Yes but this Left Wing Horror group
says Feck Women

Well FECK them I say arista ,they need to go out and get a job,too much time on there hands.

[Kizzy]

Charlotte Church was a peaceful protester in Cardiff where there were no issues with social order, and is entitled to protest if she wants. Where are the freedoms in this country now?...

[joeysteele]

It's not the answer to social problems, it IS a social problem. An inevitable symptom of a terminally ill political system.

I agree and it is almost clear that again this govt; is not going to listen no matter his more gentle tones at present.

Now, I hate protest marches, I refused to take part in any as Student,even when the Lib Dems voted to treble tuition fees.
I was absolutely furious but would not take part in any protests publicly.

Why, because the vast majority of people who do march and protest, are doing so legally and appropriately.
However, what then happens is you get hangers on, who go way over the top, it may be as small as only a handful of people on the protest,who then get 'all' the protesters branded all sorts of wrong and disgraceful names and branded as louts and hooligans.

It gives the people who will never ever at all admit protesters have any genuine grievances at all, the opportunity to focus only on the negative side of the protest, such as a broken window or grafitti being daubed on places that should be respected.
They will never admit,the establishment help strongly to fuel such things as protests by their total unwillingness to listen, compromise and realise they could just have it wrong sometimes.

Protests will be pointless against this govt; some people say anyone has the right to protest but if they themselves don't agree with what is being protested about, then the protesters all of them, for only the actions of a tiny few, will be branded anarchists or militants.

People have every right to be furious at this election result, with so many rotten,heartless welfare cuts to come from a party that failed to win an outright majority last time in 2010, could only add 0.8%.less than 1%, to its vote this time, the opposition adding a measly near double that, 1.5% to their vote.
Yet now they can get, for roughly the same votes, more power to inflict more of their heartless policies,getting only around the same support they had in 2010.
People still actually wonder why voters and citizens are angry at that, lord help us.

Nearly two thirds of the UK voted against the policies of this govt; and uniquely for the first time, 'all' the opposition parties with that 64% of votes, are all against more severe austerity and welfare cuts of an extra 10 billion pounds.

Yet again, people wonder why some get really passionate and angry when that happens.
We again have a govt; falling well short of even just attracting 4 in 10 voters to their cause.
That is now 3 elections in a row where around two thirds of all voters have not supported the main party in govt:
If the leaders realised that and compromised, no protests would be necessary.
That is not sour grapes of someone being on the losing side, it is simply facts.

Marches are not the way however in my view, nowadays you can never be sure who will tag along just looking for trouble or who will join it on the way to cause destruction and get noticed for the news.
The media then get the chance to focus 'only' on the trouble rather than the valid argument being presented in the first place as to the march/protest.

[bots]

Peaceful protest ..... Yeah, peaceful protesters are known to wear masks and hoods and face off against the police

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/media/images/82891000/jpg/_82891087_027130871-1.jpg

[Kazanne]

Charlotte Church was a peaceful protester in Cardiff where there were no issues with social order, and is entitled to protest if she wants. Where are the freedoms in this country now?...

I agree Kizzy, they are free to protest,I just get annoyed that these celebrities think they hold some kind of clout,people will vote for what they want,afterall had that been aimed at Milliband or anyone else,it would still have been wrong imo.

[Kazanne]

Peaceful protest ..... Yeah, peaceful protesters are known to wear masks and hoods and face off against the police

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/media/images/82891000/jpg/_82891087_027130871-1.jpg

I see the brave ones out there gobbing in their hoodies,:smug:Look at the baying mob,why should England tremble !!!

[joeysteele]

Well FECK them I say arista ,they need to go out and get a job,too much time on there hands.

With respect, how do you know they haven't got jobs or at least most of them.
It was a Sunday Kazanne, not everyone 'has to work' Sundays yet still.

[Kazanne]

With respect, how do you know they haven't got jobs or at least most of them.
It was a Sunday Kazanne, not everyone 'has to work' Sundays yet still.

It was tongue and cheek Joey we just don't have a smilie for that,but evenso if they are the sort of people that we are left with that don't like the Tories,I am glad I voted the right way now,bitontheslide pics say it all.:wavey:

[Jay.]

peaceful protests > that mess

the power of that media tho eh

[bots]

I agree and it is almost clear that again this govt; is not going to listen no matter his more gentle tones at present.

Now, I hate protest marches, I refused to take part in any as Student,even when the Lib Dems voted to treble tuition fees.
I was absolutely furious but would not take part in any protests publicly.

Why, because the vast majority of people who do march and protest, are doing so legally and appropriately.
However, what then happens is you get hangers on, who go way over the top, it may be as small as only a handful of people on the protest,who then get 'all' the protesters branded all sorts of wrong and disgraceful names and branded as louts and hooligans.

It gives the people who will never ever at all admit protesters have any genuine grievances at all, the opportunity to focus only on the negative side of the protest, such as a broken window or grafitti being daubed on places that should be respected.
They will never admit,the establishment help strongly to fuel such things as protests by their total unwillingness to listen, compromise and realise they could just have it wrong sometimes.

Protests will be pointless against this govt; some people say anyone has the right to protest but if they themselves don't agree with what is being protested about, then the protesters all of them, for only the actions of a tiny few, will be branded anarchists or militants.

People have every right to be furious at this election result, with so many rotten,heartless welfare cuts to come from a party that failed to win an outright majority last time in 2010, could only add 0.8%.less than 1%, to its vote this time, the opposition adding a measly near double that, 1.5% to their vote.
Yet now they can get, for roughly the same votes, more power to inflict more of their heartless policies,getting only around the same support they had in 2010.
People still actually wonder why voters and citizens are angry at that.

Nearly two thirds of the UK voted against the policies of this govt; and uniquely for the first time, 'all' the opposition parties with that 64% of votes, are all against more severe austerity and welfare cuts of an extra 10 billion pounds.

Yet again, people wonder why some get really passionate and angry when that happens.
We again have a govt; falling well short of even just attracting 4 in 10 voters to their cause.
That is now 3 elections in a row where around two thirds of all voters have not supported the main party in govt:
If the leaders realised that and compromised, no protests would be necessary.
That is not sour grapes of someone being on the losing side, it is simply facts.

Marches are not the way however in my view, nowadays you can never be sure who will tag along just looking for trouble or who will join it on the way to cause destruction and get noticed for the news.
The media then get the chance to focus 'only' on the trouble rather than the valid argument being presented in the first place as to the march/protest.

I was well pissed off when Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were elected for 3 friggin terms in office, implementing policies that the majority of the country didn't vote for then either. The difference is, that people respected the democratic process, and gave the government its blessing UNTIL they illegally took a dump on Iraq.

[joeysteele]

It was tongue and cheek Joey we just don't have a smilie for that,but evenso if they are the sort of people that we are left with that don't like the Tories,I am glad I voted the right way now,bitontheslide pics say it all.:wavey:

If I was a supporter of marches I would have likely joined that one, so I would have been a lout and waste of space too in your and others generalised view of them all.

[user104658]

It was a Sunday Kazanne, not everyone 'has to work' Sundays yet still.

Just mugs like me :joker:. 11am - 10.30pm, living the dream :(.

[user104658]

if they are the sort of people that we are left with that don't like the Tories,I am glad I voted the right way now,bitontheslide pics say it all.:wavey:

I can't figure out if you're lying / exaggerating to make a point, or actually believe this drivel?

[kirklancaster]

I was well pissed off when Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were elected for 3 friggin terms in office, implementing policies that the majority of the country didn't vote for then either. The difference is, that people respected the democratic process, and gave the government its blessing UNTIL they illegally took a dump on Iraq.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Kizzy]

I agree and it is almost clear that again this govt; is not going to listen no matter his more gentle tones at present.

Now, I hate protest marches, I refused to take part in any as Student,even when the Lib Dems voted to treble tuition fees.
I was absolutely furious but would not take part in any protests publicly.

Why, because the vast majority of people who do march and protest, are doing so legally and appropriately.
However, what then happens is you get hangers on, who go way over the top, it may be as small as only a handful of people on the protest,who then get 'all' the protesters branded all sorts of wrong and disgraceful names and branded as louts and hooligans.

It gives the people who will never ever at all admit protesters have any genuine grievances at all, the opportunity to focus only on the negative side of the protest, such as a broken window or grafitti being daubed on places that should be respected.
They will never admit,the establishment help strongly to fuel such things as protests by their total unwillingness to listen, compromise and realise they could just have it wrong sometimes.

Protests will be pointless against this govt; some people say anyone has the right to protest but if they themselves don't agree with what is being protested about, then the protesters all of them, for only the actions of a tiny few, will be branded anarchists or militants.

People have every right to be furious at this election result, with so many rotten,heartless welfare cuts to come from a party that failed to win an outright majority last time in 2010, could only add 0.8%.less than 1%, to its vote this time, the opposition adding a measly near double that, 1.5% to their vote.
Yet now they can get, for roughly the same votes, more power to inflict more of their heartless policies,getting only around the same support they had in 2010.
People still actually wonder why voters and citizens are angry at that, lord help us.

Nearly two thirds of the UK voted against the policies of this govt; and uniquely for the first time, 'all' the opposition parties with that 64% of votes, are all against more severe austerity and welfare cuts of an extra 10 billion pounds.

Yet again, people wonder why some get really passionate and angry when that happens.
We again have a govt; falling well short of even just attracting 4 in 10 voters to their cause.
That is now 3 elections in a row where around two thirds of all voters have not supported the main party in govt:
If the leaders realised that and compromised, no protests would be necessary.
That is not sour grapes of someone being on the losing side, it is simply facts.

Marches are not the way however in my view, nowadays you can never be sure who will tag along just looking for trouble or who will join it on the way to cause destruction and get noticed for the news.
The media then get the chance to focus 'only' on the trouble rather than the valid argument being presented in the first place as to the march/protest.

It's all relative though isn't it?... Look at the 'graffiti' all over the pages of the Mail when they carved into Ralph Miliband.
Was he not a victim of war? It seemed acceptable then to scrawl offensive comments all over the place.
Being over cautious and not expressing your feelings publicly is entirely your right, there are those who are more demonstrative through words than deeds, activists and everything in between it has no baring on strength of feeling that they protest in this manner.
I totally agree that as with the student protests it will be this example of social disorder that will be used to tarnish anyone who chooses to march, protest or demonstrate against the proposed cuts.
This divide and conquer mentality is a proven formula and as such will be replicated to suit any issue sadly.

[joeysteele]

I was well pissed off when Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were elected for 3 friggin terms in office, implementing policies that the majority of the country didn't vote for then either. The difference is, that people respected the democratic process, and gave the government its blessing UNTIL they illegally took a dump on Iraq.

You totally and maybe purposely missed my entire whole point, Tony Blair and Labour won 2 of those elections with over 40% of the votes cast.

One of the elections I was moaning about was actually his 3rd win with only around 35% of the votes cast.

Margaret Thatcher got 3 terms in office with election wins that all carried over 40% of the voters that voted.
Totally different and more legitimate scenarios.

This is the first time ever that 3 elections in a row,one for labour, 2 for the Conservatives, have resulted in the main governing party barely having just over a third of voters behind them.
(However with the Lib Dems in govt; after 2010 too, more legitimacy was given the last govt; with their votes tally added too).

I now think that should be completely unacceptable in a multi party set up.
No matter what party that gets such low support.

I just don't understand why people cannot see the justified anger that near two thirds of voters have, as to how their votes have been in effect pointless and a meaningless effort to even make to bother voting.
I'd be saying that too, had Miliband won with barely 35/36% of the votes too.
It shouldn't be acceptable or sustainable now.

Otherwise more unrest and even less and less people bothering to vote will be what happens.
What should we do, wait until well over half of those eligible to vote stop doing so before we even begin to address a major problem of right representation of the people as to this.

[Kazanne]

If I was a supporter of marches I would have likely joined that one, so I would have been a lout and waste of space too in your and others generalised view of them all.

Joey, I myself might join in a peaceful protest for a good cause,c'mon now would you condone this if it was against someone you liked? lets be honest here,this doesn't exactly look peaceful,I get people don't like the Tories,but that's tough,had it been the other way round,I'de have accepted that,I did actually think Milliband would scrape in,why have a voting system,if people cant be respectful of the result,and YOU will never be a waste of space or a lout,so I'll have none of that:hehe: btw,do you own a hoodie?:joker:

[Kizzy]

Personally I think there will be a reshuffle of constituencies if they aim to reduce the amount of MPs, it will be in the conservatives favour naturally.
Yes it will effectively be gerrymandering but we'll be complicit as it will be spun as a positive cost cutting exercise... :/

[joeysteele]

It's all relative though isn't it?... Look at the 'graffiti' all over the pages of the Mail when they carved into Ralph Miliband.
Was he not a victim of war? It seemed acceptable then to scrawl offensive comments all over the place.
Being over cautious and not expressing your feelings publicly is entirely your right, there are those who are more demonstrative through words than deeds, activists and everything in between it has no baring on strength of feeling that they protest in this manner.
I totally agree that as with the student protests it will be this example of social disorder that will be used to tarnish anyone who chooses to march, protest or demonstrate against the proposed cuts.
This divide and conquer mentality is a proven formula and as such will be replicated to suit any issue sadly.

Simple and pure double standards Kizzy.

I shouldn't but I'm goingto try to speak for you, if I am wrong I apologise.

I think and believe that you, and certainly I would, have supported the grievance of these marchers, even if it had been a Labour govt; now proposing to make an unspecified 10 billion pounds of cuts to the most vulnerable.

Therein lies the difference as to us.

[bots]

Joey, if there are 40 parties all contesting for votes, no one will get even close to capturing the majority of the UK vote. Its not what its about, its which party gains the most support through number of seats won. I am of course exaggerating, but you get the picture.

You know, we as a country had an opportunity to say .... WE WANT TO CHANGE THE VOTING SYSTEM ... what happened? it was the democratic will that the electoral process remained as it was.... So it is just wrong on so many levels, to then complain at the very next general election that the voting system is all wrong.

Until otherwise agreed, the general election was carried out with the currently enforced democratic electoral rules. If people want those rules changed, they need to lobby for it, and get the MAJORITY of the public to agree with it. Until that happens, if people don't like it, they should feck off and live in another country.

[joeysteele]

Personally I think there will be a reshuffle of constituencies if they aim to reduce the amount of MPs, it will be in the conservatives favour naturally.
Yes it will effectively be gerrymandering but we'll be complicit as it will be spun as a positive cost cutting exercise... :/

That will be hard to get through the Lords Kizzy, a lot of Lib Dems are now in the Lords, the Conservatives are a minority in the Lords now.

That is one result of the last govt;

It may well be there will little assistance to this govt; particularly to constitutional reform now.
It was revealed that he is not now going to try to cut the number of MPs elected now, it seems.

[user104658]

I'm sorry but "that's tough, just like it or lump it" is a political stance that I can never get on board with and don't believe that anyone should. It's tantamount to apathy. If you don't like your country's politics you should damn well stand up and make it very, very clear. Whether you're with the majority or a lone voice against millions.

[user104658]

Personally I think there will be a reshuffle of constituencies if they aim to reduce the amount of MPs, it will be in the conservatives favour naturally.
Yes it will effectively be gerrymandering but we'll be complicit as it will be spun as a positive cost cutting exercise... :/
This is a certainty Kizzy, the only reason it hasn't already happened is because the Lib Dems blocked it. With a Tory majority it'll be pushed through alongside every single other thing that the Lib Dems stopped. Not that they did a great job of stopping much.

They will redefine the constituency boundaries to favour conservative gains at the next GE. I suspect we're stuck with the Tories for at least 10 years now.

[user104658]

That will be hard to get through the Lords Kizzy, a lot of Lib Dems are now in the Lords, the Conservatives are a minority in the Lords now.

That is one result of the last govt;

It may well be there will little assistance to this govt; particularly to constitutional reform now.
It was revealed that he is not now going to try to cut the number of MPs elected now, it seems.
I don't share your optimism Joey, I think they will rewrite the rule book to suit themselves with little resistance. I suspect the "British Bill of Rights" will confirm this.

[joeysteele]

I'm sorry but "that's tough, just like it or lump it" is a political stance that I can never get on board with and don't believe that anyone should. It's tantamount to apathy. If you don't like your country's politics you should damn well stand up and make it very, very clear. Whether you're with the majority or a lone voice against millions.

I give up TS.
the AV referendum was handed to Clegg to present,after the tuition fees vote, when the NHS re-organsation was in play too, at a time in 2011,when it was seen the Lib Dems were crashing in popularity.

Had that been held a few months after the 2010 election, I think it would have got a better result.
David Cameron stunned the Lib Dems by actually then campaigning against AV.
It would not have altered things that much but we have had a high profile election for a lot of parties this time.

I do not like UKIP,I'd never support them, I said this yesterday,however with over 3,800,000 voters behind them, they can only have a single MP.
What a disgrace that really is when you think about it.
Sorry for me that also doesn't come close to real democracy now.
This should not be allowed to carry on.

I agree 100% with you, no voters should just have to put up with that,what an arrogant dismissal of peoples efforts to vote.
They make the effort to go out and vote,they deserve far better,and should be able to demand it too, than the govts; they have had over the last 10 years over 3 elections now.

[joeysteele]

This is a certainty Kizzy, the only reason it hasn't already happened is because the Lib Dems blocked it. With a Tory majority it'll be pushed through alongside every single other thing that the Lib Dems stopped. Not that they did a great job of stopping much.

They will redefine the constituency boundaries to favour conservative gains at the next GE. I suspect we're stuck with the Tories for at least 10 years now.

I am hoping it goes on so long in the Commons it gets talked out TS,I believe,as you do, they will try to do it but may get too tied up as to the EU issue to succeed.
A larger majority and I would have said it was sure to get through,I feel a bit more optimistic it will now hit very bad hiccups.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/09/19/28810E2000000578-3074951-image-a-34_1431197425022.jpg


tells you all you need to know about a few, probably drunk or high, young punks who contribute nothing, know nothing and will amount to nothing

I feel sorry for the poor police who have to deal with idiots like this.

smh

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

"Hard-left activists desecrated a war memorial " nah thugs
"Hate mob in No.10 rampage" nah thugs.
"Anarchists and hard-line socialists unwilling to accept Thursday's election result protested violently in Whitehall" nah violent thugs caused chaos don't care about the cause.
"Dozens of protesters, many of them wearing masks or balaclavas tried to push their way through police lines" less threatening that a lone black man shouting but where are the batons??
.................................................. .................

aside from that. sad state of affairs.

[Kizzy]

Simple and pure double standards Kizzy.

I shouldn't but I'm goingto try to speak for you, if I am wrong I apologise.

I think and believe that you, and certainly I would, have supported the grievance of these marchers, even if it had been a Labour govt; now proposing to make an unspecified 10 billion pounds of cuts to the most vulnerable.

Therein lies the difference as to us.

Of course I would yes, like you it's not the party I support it's the policies.
I don't like the centrist calls to 'be like Blair'... that wouldn't appeal to me at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Hard-left activists desecrated a war memorial " nah thugs
"Hate mob in No.10 rampage" nah thugs.
"Anarchists and hard-line socialists unwilling to accept Thursday's election result protested violently in Whitehall" nah violent thugs caused chaos don't care about the cause.
"Dozens of protesters, many of them wearing masks or balaclavas tried to push their way through police lines" less threatening that a lone black man shouting but where are the batons??
.................................................. .................

aside from that. sad state of affairs.

at best there were 100 people:hehe:

it was like a hipsters convention, drinking their Starbucks, texting on their Iphonee 5s and shouting about tory scum and anarchy

you could not make it up :joker:

[billy123]

at best there were 100 people:hehe:

it was like a hipsters convention, drinking their Starbucks, texting on their Iphonee 5s and shouting about tory scum and anarchy

you could not make it up :joker:And yet right wingers are desperate to try and tar the left with violently assaulting a statue when its obvious to any sane person that it was a single prick with a spray can.
It obviously eases the feeling of shame for some here to concentrate on the actions of one dickhead.

[Kazanne]

And yet right wingers are desperate to try and tar the left with violently assaulting a statue when its obvious to any sane person that it was a single prick with a spray can.

From small pricks,large pricks grow:hehe:

[Kazanne]

at best there were 100 people:hehe:

it was like a hipsters convention, drinking their Starbucks, texting on their Iphonee 5s and shouting about tory scum and anarchy

you could not make it up :joker:

They'll be texting their buds later to do it all over again as it was such a laugh:smug:

[billy123]

From small pricks,large pricks grow:hehe:
What have you heard about my sex life and how did this information leak :spin:

[Tom4784]

It's a shame that an extreme minority of the protestors are giving Camecunt and his cronies the excuse to condemn them all and focus on the vandals and not the protests itself.

[Cherie]

And yet right wingers are desperate to try and tar the left with violently assaulting a statue when its obvious to any sane person that it was a single prick with a spray can.
It obviously eases the feeling of shame for some here to concentrate on the actions of one dickhead.

What shame is this, Nicola Sturgeon handed the Tories the win by her constant insinuation that Labour would not get a majority and would need SNP backing it turned Labour votes to UKIP and The Tories.

[Kazanne]

What have you heard about my sex life and how did this information leak :spin:

:joker::joker: nice one

[Crimson Dynamo]

What shame is this, Nicola Sturgeon handed the Tories the win by her constant insinuation that Labour would not get a majority and would need SNP backing it turned Labour votes to UKIP and The Tories.

:hehe:

Yes ita all Nicolas fault for being the best leader, having the best policies and running a successful much loved government

[billy123]

It's a shame that an extreme minority of the protestors are giving Camecunt and his cronies the excuse to condemn them all and focus on the vandals and not the protests itself.But Dezzy you know that even if the worst thing to happen that day was that a kit kat wrapper fell out of someones pocket then the headline would be "THUGS DESECRATE THE STREETS OF LONDON"

The only disappointing part for me is that so many people rely on murdochs media to form an opinion of what is real.
Credit to murdoch he did it again wow he tapped into the fears of people once again.

The double headline in the sun was a masterstroke telling the uk to vote tory while at the same time publishing a headline in scotland that the only way to keep the torys out was to vote snp was a lesson in manipulation.

Just goes to show where the real power stems from.

[arista]

What shame is this, Nicola Sturgeon handed the Tories the win by her constant insinuation that Labour would not get a majority and would need SNP backing it turned Labour votes to UKIP and The Tories.


Wrong


In England alone the Conservatives Won
check the Sunday Times Blue England map
with some red dots on it.


So take Scotland out of this
The Conservatives Won in England
Why The Feck Do You Not Know that , by now

[MTVN]

Think Cherie's point was that the SNP's campaign in Scotland had an impact on Labour's performance in England as well

[billy123]

Think Cherie's point was that the SNP's campaign in Scotland had an impact on Labour's performance in England as wellThank **** for that a common sense point of view.

[Ross.]

Think Cherie's point was that the SNP's campaign in Scotland had an impact on Labour's performance in England as well

Pretty much what happened, the SNP essentially helped put the Tories back into power. :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

You cant blame SNP for winning seats. Labour's cosying with the Tories during the Ref had a huge impact up here

[Jemal]

Typical that a few stupid idiots done spmething stupid but of course tory supporters and cameron of course will jump straight at the chance of using the defacing of the memorial to cover up the real issues here in this country.
You have other people who are actually protesting for a real cause and real problems in this country for people whos pockets aren't deep and of course the torys will blank that and address the defacing of a memorial.

Were in for a tough five years.

[Kizzy]

What shame is this, Nicola Sturgeon handed the Tories the win by her constant insinuation that Labour would not get a majority and would need SNP backing it turned Labour votes to UKIP and The Tories.

I agree, to say she insisted she didn't want the tories back in she played a massive part in ensuring they did :idc:

[Kizzy]

You cant blame SNP for winning seats. Labour's cosying with the Tories during the Ref had a huge impact up here

And this... mind you had they not they would've been castigated as they eventually were anyway purely on the insinuation they were pro Scotland...
He was caught between a rock and a hard place there.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And this... mind you had they not they would've been castigated as they eventually were anyway purely on the insinuation they were pro Scotland...
He was caught between a rock and a hard place there.

yes it was just that

[user104658]

It's actually somewhere between the two. The SNP success did have in impact on Labour in England, but it was more down to the gutter press and their constant cartoons / insinuations about "Scotland pulling the strings", making an alliance something to be feared, and essentially making Scotland out to be a rival that had the impact on Labour support. Basically the SNP's success was used as a tool in Tory propaganda. Not really anything to do with what they did or didn't say themselves.

[user104658]

Oh and that's after spending the first half of 2014 bleating that we're all one nation and better together. Hah.

[user104658]

2014: "Don't leave us Scotland! We are all one! Vote to stay and lead by example!!"

2015: "Look out England, Scotland is trying to lead you, vote Tory to stop those foreign bastards!!"

[bots]

Oh and that's after spending the first half of 2014 bleating that we're all one nation and better together. Hah.

Have to say that the Tory stance toward SNP popularity was incredibly divisive and they will pay for that one way or another, and very soon. It was similar in my view to Cameron's famous speech on the morning after the referendum. Incredibly bad taste. In this respect as in all others, you reap what you sow

[user104658]

Ironically, in all honesty I think even with a majority Cameron may well conceed more to Sturgeon in exchange for Westminster support than Miliband would have.

[Kizzy]

Can Nicola trust her MPs to toe the party line?.... If there's difficult decisions to be made it's their heads on the block back home :/

[kirklancaster]

"Hard-left activists desecrated a war memorial " nah thugs
"Hate mob in No.10 rampage" nah thugs.
"Anarchists and hard-line socialists unwilling to accept Thursday's election result protested violently in Whitehall" nah violent thugs caused chaos don't care about the cause.
"Dozens of protesters, many of them wearing masks or balaclavas tried to push their way through police lines" less threatening that a lone black man shouting but where are the batons??
.................................................. .................

aside from that. sad state of affairs.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[user104658]

Are your hands not sore yet kirk? You've been clapping incessantly for days!

[Jemal]

Isn't this the first time this has ever happened straight after an election?
Doesn't that say everything lol

[Kizzy]

It says 37% of the population were wrong :hehe:

[JoshBB]

Can Nicola trust her MPs to toe the party line?.... If there's difficult decisions to be made it's their heads on the block back home :/

Well, if 'difficult decisions' is a euphemism for cuts then I highly doubt it. Ending austerity was their main issue for this election, and why they won it too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

2014: "Don't leave us Scotland! We are all one! Vote to stay and lead by example!!"

2015: "Look out England, Scotland is trying to lead you, vote Tory to stop those foreign bastards!!"

Front page of todays Herald

3099

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ironically, in all honesty I think even with a majority Cameron may well conceed more to Sturgeon in exchange for Westminster support than Miliband would have.

well he is actually scottish himself

[bots]

Isn't this the first time this has ever happened straight after an election?
Doesn't that say everything lol

It happened when Tony Blair got in, and there were fights and scuffles after the Scottish referendum result. Nothing new

[kirklancaster]

Charlotte Church was a peaceful protester in Cardiff where there were no issues with social order, and is entitled to protest if she wants. Where are the freedoms in this country now?...

You are seriously missing the whole point of the particular post of mine which you are responding to, because in that post I do not deny anyone's right to participate in 'peaceful protest' but instead express my specfic opinion and view of Church's TRUE motives for suddenly acquiring a social and political conscience and becoming, first a voter for the first time, and secondly a Labour supporting 'peaceful protester'.

I am confounded though at ANYONE who can accept any kind of protest - peaceful or otherwise - at the results of a fairly held, constitutionally correct, democratic General Election, because what is TRULY being protested about and opposed here, is DEMOCRACY itself - let us not delude ourselves.

As BitOnTheSlide and others have already eloquently stated, we have a democratic procedure in place and the Conservatives won the election fair and square under that process.

It is notable that NO ONE on here was protesting about how UNFAIR that process was BEFORE the Election.

Indeed,when it was pointed out by certain members that despite securing almost 4 million votes UKIP has only ONE voice in Parliament whilst the SNP secured 56 seats with half of the UKIP number of votes, certain FM's were quick to point out that such was the system, and still others pointed out that the General Public had been presented with the opportunity to democratically change the system but did not avail themselve of it.

It is predictable that now the Left wing on here are defending these 'protests' because they are anti-Tory, but the inescapable truth is that peaceful or not, the protests are ludicrous when we have just held a General Election.

You ask: ''Where are the freedoms in this country now?'' while conveniently IGNORING the fact that these knobhead protesters are UTILISING just ONE of the many freedoms which our DEMOCRACY affords them. The very DEMOCRACY they are now protesting against.

The great and enraging IRONY here, is that while the peaceful element were availing themselves of the FREEDOM to demonstrate and protest, the inevitable 'professional anti-democratic, anti-Tory, anti-UK, anti-patriotic anarchist morons use that same freedom to desicrate a memorial to all the couragous patriotic women who FOUGHT and DIED for that very freedom.

If the Police ever catch the one/ones responsible, I will gladly VOLUNTER to put a bullet firmly and squarely in thecentre of their useless obsidian eyes.

If this is what the Left Wing stand for now, then I for one sincerely hope that the Labour Party NEVER win another General election ever again.

''Great Democracies
have always
encountered
violent
opposition from
mindless morons.''
Kirk Knowswell.

[kirklancaster]

Are your hands not sore yet kirk? You've been clapping incessantly for days!

No.

[joeysteele]

I think a great many people were saying the electoral process was wrong, Nigel Farage for one, the Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Lib Dems,in fact all the parties except for Labour and the Conservatives seem to be now.

On here, I said a few times to JoshBB for instance, I was now a convert to some form of pr along with others.

Who also is to say all those who took part in this protest march are left wing and why again does that make them bad people.
Also again, why condemn all the protesters for the actions of a few.
Is that what tolerance is now, anyone against something that is heartless are left wing and should be shoved in a corner and only allowed out when the real extreme right wing permit it to be so.

What a surprise and disgrace in my view too Kirk, that you could say because of the actions of a few mindless wreckers who did wrong on a march, that overall was going peacefully until they fired off,should mean a Labour govt; should never be elected again.
That is a gross insult to all decent voters who are also people who support the Labour party.

You presumably know for sure,before you actually publicly said it, that the ones who caused the trouble were in fact anything to do with Labour.
Or is this yet another of your misunderstood quotes that you do when you lump any extremism always as to the left wing as you always generalise on, then backtrack a bit afterwards as to.

[Livia]

Typical that a few stupid idiots done spmething stupid but of course tory supporters and cameron of course will jump straight at the chance of using the defacing of the memorial to cover up the real issues here in this country.
You have other people who are actually protesting for a real cause and real problems in this country for people whos pockets aren't deep and of course the torys will blank that and address the defacing of a memorial.

Were in for a tough five years.

The rioters lost any point they may have had when they did this, don't dare try to play it down. It was disgusting on the anniversary of VE day. How dare they do that to a memorial to people worth twenty of them.

The Conservatives were voted in democratically whichever way you try to spin it. If you don't like it, riot. What a pathetic bunch of people the rioters are...

[joeysteele]

It says 37% of the population were wrong :hehe:

...and that 63% were more probably right.

Having said that,I blame Tony Blair for this, he went on about fairer elections until he got power.
He and Paddy Ashdown had talks and ideas as to a re-alignment of the left and electoral reform.

Had Blair got a much smaller majority in 1997,it may have been that he would have proposed change after the 2001 election.

No chance now at present but that does not negate the argument that it is ridiculous for a party to get less than 4 out of 10 people voting for it and to then be able to govern unchecked at all.

Silly comparison but a commons vote could not be won with less than 4 out of 10 MPs supporting it.
The Conservatives are quick to go on about legitimate majorities Unions should have to call for strikes.
Yet they can govern despite 6 out of 10 of every voters voting against them.
The same applies to the Labour govt; of 2005 too.

[arista]

"The Conservatives were voted in democratically whichever way you try to spin it."

Bang On Right Livia

[user104658]

The rioters lost any point they may have had when they did this, don't dare try to play it down. It was disgusting on the anniversary of VE day. How dare they do that to a memorial to people worth twenty of them.

The Conservatives were voted in democratically whichever way you try to spin it. If you don't like it, riot. What a pathetic bunch of people the rioters are...
But they didn't all deface it, did they Livia. One or maybe a small group did and yes, that is disgusting, but you can't possibly pin it on everyone there, and you know that perfectly well, but you're in full on spindoctoring mode at the moment so there's little point trying to ask for reason I suppose.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But they didn't all deface it, did they Livia. One or maybe a small group did and yes, that is disgusting, but you can't possibly pin it on everyone there, and you know that perfectly well, but you're in full on spindoctoring mode at the moment so there's little point trying to ask for reason I suppose.

well she is not saying all 100 held the can but it was them

[user104658]

well she is not saying all 100 held the can but it was them
She is, though.

"the rioters lost any point they may have had when they did this"

Only the ones who did it lost their point. Surely.

Come on LT, you're the one whose always insisting that we don't judge entire police forces for one scumbag cop getting trigger happy. That people are wrong to turn their gaze to the entire force and that the blame lies with the one corrupt individual. Or am I remembering that wrongly?

Or do the rules of culpability simply morph to fit your prejudice?

[Ammi]

..the 'rioters' though as opposed to the 'protesters' and doesn't rioting mostly lose it's point...so it's not really inaccurate/what Liv said...

[Tom4784]

The rioters lost any point they may have had when they did this, don't dare try to play it down. It was disgusting on the anniversary of VE day. How dare they do that to a memorial to people worth twenty of them.

The Conservatives were voted in democratically whichever way you try to spin it. If you don't like it, riot. What a pathetic bunch of people the rioters are...

It's a bit silly (and convenient) to throw away the validity of the protest because of the actions of a few *****.

[joeysteele]

It's a bit silly (and convenient) to throw away the validity of the protest because of the actions of a few *****.

I agree.
To even attempt to dismiss the validity of what was being protested about does a massive injustice to all those who genuinely feel what will be happening as to cuts being wrong and unjustified especially to the most vulnerable.

Some might like to make that rightful protest as to those such cuts go away by jumping straight onto highlighting a much smaller negative side of this march/protest.
There would be in fact no need for marches and protests by anyone if decency was in evidence, and such threats of cuts to the most vulnerable were non existent.

I condemn the defacing of the war memorial as much as anyone but in doing so I condemn only those who did the defacing.
Not the rest of most likely decent people who actually care and get off their backsides and try to do something about these savage cruel cuts.
Who then get wholly generalised as left wing militants.

Some might not want to care a jot at what's in store for the most vulnerable, sick and disabled in the UK but many others do it seems, thankfully.
Despite the unfair derision they get trying to do something about it.

When's the next march I want to know,I will be on it for sure.

[user104658]

..the 'rioters' though as opposed to the 'protesters' and doesn't rioting mostly lose it's point...so it's not really inaccurate/what Liv said...

There's a hair's breadth between a protest and a riot when emotions are running high and whilst you're right that rioting generally loses the original point (as happened in 2011 when it decended into looting), losing the point does not mean that there was never a valid point to begin with. Trying to use the fact that things went bad to drown out the original point is disingenuous. It's spin. Pure and simple.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a bit silly (and convenient) to throw away the validity of the protest because of the actions of a few *****.

and what was the protest about in your view?

all I could see was people with "Tory scum" banners

I take it they mean the average UK folks who voted for the Conservatives or do they mean the democratically elected people that they voted for

this was some of the rag tag hooligans and law breakers who attended

Various groups said they supported the protest, including London Black Revs, The Brick Lane Debates, BirminghamStrong Justice 4 ALL, Kashmiri Students Campaign UK, Rojava Solidarity Working Group, Class War, Occupy Democracy, Occupy UAL, Our Brixton and Sisters Uncut.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11595097/Police-officer-injured-as-anti-Tory-protesters-gather-outside-Downing-Street-and-Whitehall.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's a hair's breadth between a protest and a riot when emotions are running high and whilst you're right that rioting generally loses the original point (as happened in 2011 when it decended into looting), losing the point does not mean that there was never a valid point to begin with. Trying to use the fact that things went bad to drown out the original point is disingenuous. It's spin. Pure and simple.

how many of that rabble do you think actually voted?

[user104658]

how many of that rabble do you think actually voted?
I wouldn't presume to know or guess, and is largely irrelevant. You might assume it's a low number but you can't possibly be doing anything but guessing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wouldn't presume to know or guess, and is largely irrelevant. You might assume it's a low number but you can't possibly be doing anything but guessing.

yes I agree a very low number. they would rather attack the police than actually do something democratic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She is, though.

"the rioters lost any point they may have had when they did this"

Only the ones who did it lost their point. Surely.

Come on LT, you're the one whose always insisting that we don't judge entire police forces for one scumbag cop getting trigger happy. That people are wrong to turn their gaze to the entire force and that the blame lies with the one corrupt individual. Or am I remembering that wrongly?

Or do the rules of culpability simply morph to fit your prejudice?

yes but what about all the ones attacking the police?

[user104658]

yes I agree a very low number. they would rather attack the police than actually do something democratic.
You don't agree. I said YOU might assume it's a low number. I would actually guess it's a relatively high number. Higher than the pathetic national average, anyway. The people who didn't bother to vote aren't out rioting, they're at home watching a Jeremy Kyle from 2005 on ITV2+1 HD 1080i.

[Ammi]

There's a hair's breadth between a protest and a riot when emotions are running high and whilst you're right that rioting generally loses the original point (as happened in 2011 when it decended into looting), losing the point does not mean that there was never a valid point to begin with. Trying to use the fact that things went bad to drown out the original point is disingenuous. It's spin. Pure and simple.

..it's true that the reasons behind protests shouldn't be lost ..but isn't that the way though even if it wasn't a protest..if someone felt that they had something to say to you and were causing destruction to your property to get your attention, their reasons for any issues they had with you would become lost because listening to them wouldn't be where your focus was..and if the voices were lost in this particular protest then they were lost by the people or person who chose to deface a war memorial..no one here is drowning out an original point, it was those or the person who did it who did that...

[Crimson Dynamo]

You don't agree. I said YOU might assume it's a low number. I would actually guess it's a relatively high number. Higher than the pathetic national average, anyway. The people who didn't bother to vote aren't out rioting, they're at home watching a Jeremy Kyle from 2005 on ITV2+1 HD 1080i.

lol you may be right. My local area had 72 % and its rural and there are little if any of that type of person so I am left scratching my head as to why they did not vote :think:

[Kizzy]

You are seriously missing the whole point of the particular post of mine which you are responding to, because in that post I do not deny anyone's right to participate in 'peaceful protest' but instead express my specfic opinion and view of Church's TRUE motives for suddenly acquiring a social and political conscience and becoming, first a voter for the first time, and secondly a Labour supporting 'peaceful protester'.

I am confounded though at ANYONE who can accept any kind of protest - peaceful or otherwise - at the results of a fairly held, constitutionally correct, democratic General Election, because what is TRULY being protested about and opposed here, is DEMOCRACY itself - let us not delude ourselves.

As BitOnTheSlide and others have already eloquently stated, we have a democratic procedure in place and the Conservatives won the election fair and square under that process.

It is notable that NO ONE on here was protesting about how UNFAIR that process was BEFORE the Election.

Indeed,when it was pointed out by certain members that despite securing almost 4 million votes UKIP has only ONE voice in Parliament whilst the SNP secured 56 seats with half of the UKIP number of votes, certain FM's were quick to point out that such was the system, and still others pointed out that the General Public had been presented with the opportunity to democratically change the system but did not avail themselve of it.

It is predictable that now the Left wing on here are defending these 'protests' because they are anti-Tory, but the inescapable truth is that peaceful or not, the protests are ludicrous when we have just held a General Election.

You ask: ''Where are the freedoms in this country now?'' while conveniently IGNORING the fact that these knobhead protesters are UTILISING just ONE of the many freedoms which our DEMOCRACY affords them. The very DEMOCRACY they are now protesting against.

The great and enraging IRONY here, is that while the peaceful element were availing themselves of the FREEDOM to demonstrate and protest, the inevitable 'professional anti-democratic, anti-Tory, anti-UK, anti-patriotic anarchist morons use that same freedom to desicrate a memorial to all the couragous patriotic women who FOUGHT and DIED for that very freedom.

If the Police ever catch the one/ones responsible, I will gladly VOLUNTER to put a bullet firmly and squarely in thecentre of their useless obsidian eyes.

If this is what the Left Wing stand for now, then I for one sincerely hope that the Labour Party NEVER win another General election ever again.

''Great Democracies
have always
encountered
violent
opposition from
mindless morons.''
Kirk Knowswell.


She has as much right to protest against the austerity measures as anyone.
Why are you working yourself up about this and suggesting you would shoot people? Get some perspective.

[Kazanne]

..the 'rioters' though as opposed to the 'protesters' and doesn't rioting mostly lose it's point...so it's not really inaccurate/what Liv said...

Exacly Ammi,they are rioters,NOT protesters.

[joeysteele]

Exacly Ammi,they are rioters,NOT protesters.

Some are, not all with respect.

[joeysteele]

She has as much right to protest against the austerity measures as anyone.
Why are you working yourself up about this and suggesting you would shoot people? Get some perspective.

Bizarre Kizzy.

Note the she is now 'Labour supporting .....',as if that should be seen as a bad thing.

Has anyone any evidence this march has a thing to do with the Labour party, it is a march against austerity and the cuts in the main.
Or should people only be allowed to protest if a Labour govt; was in power,

I am definitely going on the next protest march against these cuts,no matter when or where it is.

[Kyle]

Bizarre Kizzy.

Note the she is now 'Labour supporting .....',as if that should be seen as a bad thing.

Has anyone any evidence this march has a thing to do with the Labour party, it is a march against austerity and the cuts in the main.
Or should people only be allowed to protest if a Labour govt; was in power,

I am definitely going on the next protest march against these cuts,no matter when or where it is.

Good on ya Joey.

I just wish the tiny anarchist mentality types would stay at home for serious protests like this and leave it to the genuine majority.

[Kizzy]

Bizarre Kizzy.

Note the she is now 'Labour supporting',as if that should be seen as a bad thing.

Has anyone any evidence this march has a thing to do with the Labour party, it is a march against austerity and the cuts in the main.
Or should people only be allowed to protest if a Labour govt; was in power,

I am definitely going on the next protest march against these cuts,no matter when or where it is.

It's an anti austerity protest, all of a sudden everyone involved is an anti establishment rioter hell bent on wreaking havoc across the capital :bored:
They've been kettling and taking everyones details in parliament square so I wouldn't if I were you, I have a sneaking suspicion you would end up on some blacklist.

[bots]

Bizarre Kizzy.

Note the she is now 'Labour supporting .....',as if that should be seen as a bad thing.

Has anyone any evidence this march has a thing to do with the Labour party, it is a march against austerity and the cuts in the main.
Or should people only be allowed to protest if a Labour govt; was in power,

I am definitely going on the next protest march against these cuts,no matter when or where it is.

I get what you are saying, there is no indication that any of the major parties were represented in this riot. However ..... people cant have it every way ... in other threads people have been collectively pooling the "not conservative" parties together and saying that represented a vote against the conservatives, where the reality is it was actually support for the individual parties manifesto's nothing more. Indeed, the only true anti austerity parties were in Scotland and Wales, all the other parties had some proposed austerity plans, just implemented in different ways.

I fail to see how those that support democracy cannot see that this riot was purely and simply an attack on democracy.

[Vanessa]

I like the tories so far. Not that we had much choice this time. Ed was a joke.