Farage to stay on as UkIP leader after party rejects his resignation

[Northern Monkey]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2015-32686527

:laugh:

[MTVN]

Nigel Farage is to stay on as leader of UKIP after his resignation was rejected unanimously by the party.

UKIP chairman Steve Crowther said in a statement: "As promised Nigel Farage tendered his official resignation as leader of UKIP to the NEC. This offer was unanimously rejected by the NEC members who produced overwhelming evidence that the UKIP membership did not want Nigel to go.

"He has therefore been persuaded by the NEC to withdraw his resignation and remains leader of UKIP," the chairman added.


From the BBC politics feed

What a farce, just confirms what everyone knew already that they are a one man party and nothing more, and so much for all his professions of sincerity when he said he would resign. I don't think a lot of Ukip members even will be happy about this and particularly not Douglas Carswell who was arguing today that they were more than a one man band.

Edit - beaten to it by Paul, have merged the threads

[Denver]

Best news ever ill look forward to them getting in office in 2020 i Farage we trust

[bots]

I always thought Nigel would be re elected anyway, so it just cuts out the farce and expense of an election. UKIP only seems to have one socially acceptable spokesman in the form of Nigel, but it doesnt really matter. Come the next election, UKIP will be a dead party as their purpose for being will have evaporated.

[Kizzy]

:joker: it's true, he is the one man band of UKIP.

[Cherie]

Well I guess this was the plan all along, rejected his resignation :laugh: if he really wanted to resign he would, a man of his word :hehe:

[arista]

:joker: it's true, he is the one man band of UKIP.


He is Special.
Get over it

[Kizzy]

He is Special.
Get over it

:joker::joker: I am over it.

[Ross.]

I expected him to still be the UKIP leader after an election anyway. :laugh:

[Pete.]

Mess, but without him there is no UKIP

[arista]

:joker::joker: I am over it.


spiffing

[user104658]

LOL, how "convenient". I bet this wasn't discussed as being the likely plan before he announced he would step down. Definitely wouldn't have been discussed even a little. And I bet he really did take "a lot of convincing" not to step down. :joker:

I'm starting to really despair. What an absolute circus.

[arista]

LOL, how "convenient". I bet this wasn't discussed as being the likely plan before he announced he would step down. Definitely wouldn't have been discussed even a little. And I bet he really did take "a lot of convincing" not to step down. :joker:

I'm starting to really despair. What an absolute circus.


No he would debate it
you are Wrong


Its Not a Circus
its Front Page News
he built UKIP to the place they are
I respect that


I am Conservative
and I backed my Leader
and we won

[Livia]

Everyone was happy to accept Miliband's resignation, I notice.

[MTVN]

"The consequences of me failing to secure a seat for myself in the Commons would be significant for both myself and the party. It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat...was I supposed to brief UKIP policy from the Westminster Arms? No - if I fail to win South Thanet, it is curtains for me. I will have to step down"

Farage's autobiography

[joeysteele]

What a farce.

However, this was the election he had to break through in really, with a Labour party not doing anything like it should have, the Lib Dems totally crushed.

UKIP should have easily hit around 17/18% of the votes.

Next time the EU issue will be likely settled,there will be little need for UKIP at all in 2020.
Nothing to make them stand out at all by then.

In this situation with the Conservatives attaining 36% of the votes,Labour around 32%,if he couldn't capitalise on that, then with 2 new leaders in place and a new one for the Lib Dems too.
He and his party are probably going to look the outdated one by 2020.

[user104658]

"The consequences of me failing to secure a seat for myself in the Commons would be significant for both myself and the party. It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat...was I supposed to brief UKIP policy from the Westminster Arms? No - if I fail to win South Thanet, it is curtains for me. I will have to step down"

Farage's autobiography

http://trollswithwoodenspoons.com/images/smilies/backpeddling.gif

Faster Nige! FASTER!!

[arista]

What a farce.

However, this was the election he had to break through in really, with a Labour party not doing anything like it should have, the Lib Dems totally crushed.

UKIP should have easily hit around 17/18% of the votes.

Next time the EU issue will be likely settled,there will be little need for UKIP at all in 2020.
Nothing to make them stand out at all by then.

In this situation with the Conservatives attaining 36% of the votes,Labour around 32%,if he couldn't capitalise on that, then with 2 new leaders in place and a new one for the Lib Dems too.
He and his party are probably going to look the outdated one by 2020.


No we have to wait and see on that

[joeysteele]

No we have to wait and see on that

It does say likely settled arista,not certainly.

There will, if a referendum is held, be no appetite top hold another for a very long time indeed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great news. Nigel has been a breath of fresh fag smoke to counter career political drones like clegg and miliband. Mind you the lady deputy Suzanne Evans is also very good.

And yes livia if only the libdems or labour had someone so skilled

All they can do is scrabble around stabbing each other in the back

if its a farce you are after just watch the labour fight for power. Lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

"The consequences of me failing to secure a seat for myself in the Commons would be significant for both myself and the party. It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat...was I supposed to brief UKIP policy from the Westminster Arms? No - if I fail to win South Thanet, it is curtains for me. I will have to step down"

Farage's autobiography

And he stuck to his guns but the people say NO NIGEL WE LOVE YOU AND WE WANT YOU BACK

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

[user104658]

And he stuck to his guns but the people say NO NIGEL WE LOVE YOU AND WE WANT YOU BACK

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

"No Nigel you have to stay! None of our other party members have an IQ of over 73, if any of them tries to be our spokesperson, they'll forget to pretend that they're not racist!" :joker:

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Nearly there! Poor Nigel, his little legs must be aching.

[Nedusa]

Really pleased to hear this, hopefully Mr Farage will stay on and lead the Party from the front where he belongs.

As UKIP were second in 118 seats it is possible that a bye-election might give a another chance to become an MP, or maybe the Govt will be defeated in the coming Months and the General Election may be run again.

Either way Mr Farage is too good a Politician to just walk away at the moment.

[user104658]

As UKIP were second in 118 seats it is possible that a bye-election might give a another chance to become an MP, or maybe the Govt will be defeated in the coming Months and the General Election may be run again.


Did you miss the part where it was a Conservative majority? That would be a quite stunning mutiny...

[Northern Monkey]

I knew he would'nt leave.He recently said in a documentary that he planned to spep down in 2030.
Good for him.If we leave the EU in 2017 then i think there will be no need for a UKIP.If we stay in however then there certainly will be a need and Nigel will still have a place in politics.
As the EU oppression gets worse and more of our powers are handed over then the people will wake up and UKIP may stand a chance.

[Kizzy]

Mr farage hasn't made enough money to walk away at present.

[user104658]

I knew he would'nt leave.He recently said in a documentary that he planned to spep down in 2030.
Good for him.If we leave the EU in 2017 then i think there will be no need for a UKIP.If we stay in however then there certainly will be a need and Nigel will still have a place in politics.
As the EU oppression gets worse and more of our powers are handed over then the people will wake up and UKIP may stand a chance.

If there is an EU referendum the result will be an overwhelming "no" on leaving. Then UKIP will be useless and will hopefully evaporate.

[user104658]

Mr farage hasn't made enough money to walk away at present.

Yeah. "I clowned around a bit during an election year then got booted out of my MP's seat" doesn't really sell autobiographies :hehe:

[empire]

farage is to popular, and the only way he can resign, if the party force him out, nigel farage is god to the party's supporters, and I believe that the party voted for him to stay,

[Crimson Dynamo]

If there is an EU referendum the result will be an overwhelming "no" on leaving. Then UKIP will be useless and will hopefully evaporate.

Yes just like the SNP did

[Crimson Dynamo]

All media will see this news as gold dust

[joeysteele]

Quite frankly, in my view, were he to actually carry on after all he has said, he will make himself look ridiculous.
Losing a lot of credibility in the process.

UKIP in no way managed to capture their European elections success from just a year ago,he failed by a fair margin too to win the seat he contested, even after the debates he was on and the high profile he had.

If he stayed on, he would lose even more trust as to his word.

[Shaun]

That generally isn't how resignations worked, I'd have thought :unsure:

[arista]

Also he is Still a MEP
in Europe

[Z]

I always think it's stupid when party leaders resign after losing an election - like, whatever you think of him, Nigel Farage has blatantly been a success for UKIP, why would he have ever tendered a resignation other than because that's what's expected of a losing party leader? Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg should absolutely have resigned but Farage has increased his party's share of the vote by a crazy amount and has turned them into the third largest party in the UK. Not bad.

[Tom4784]

Nice little show that Nigel put on there.

[Z]

It's like Alex Salmond resigning after the referendum result didn't go his way - he still galvanised 45% of Scottish voters into voting in favour of independence, that's still an impressive achievement - but he goes and resigns as a result. Ehhh

[empire]

not bad for a little party that are called, fruitcakes, loony's, and racists, by the scumbag media, the purple rash will spread and it won't stop,

[MTVN]

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Oh dear

[the truth]

Everyone was happy to accept Miliband's resignation, I notice. lol ...mr faraaage is a legendary campaigner, milibland couldn't sell fruit and veg to his kids for nothinga....its like comparing marlon brando with marlon blando

[joeysteele]

lol ...mr faraaage is a legendary campaigner, milibland couldn't sell fruit and veg to his kids for nothinga....its like comparing marlon brando with marlon blando

legendary campaigner, I think it a disgrace that UKIP got 3,800,000+ votes and only 1 seat.
However this legendary campaigner couldn't have his party hold the 2 seats they had, and fell a fair way short,over 3,000 votes, of winning the seat he contested,which was considered his really best chance.

Doesn't sound much like a legendary campaigner to me.

His decision to stay on now, is his worst decision yet too as now he looks more of a laughing stock.

At least Clegg and Miliband went right off with no twisting and turning.
That is going with dignity,not hanging on for grim death.
I am,resigning,Farage said, I have done too much politics over the years.
Then,Oh no, the party want me to stay, I am staying now.

What a clown and what a farce.
Five years on from now, he will be an even bigger irrelevance in my view and this decision will come back to haunt him, if he is in fact still leader then too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do i detect the feint whiff of sour grapes in this thread....

:think:

[Kizzy]

Do I detect the faint whiff of mutiny aboard ship UKIP?... :joker:

MP Douglas Carswell seizing the reins?

[user104658]

Do i detect the feint whiff of sour grapes in this thread....

:think:

Sour grapes over what? The fact that Nigel said he would resign and then, in one of the least surprising political "twists" in living memory, actually didn't? He was never going anywhere, he said he would resign if he lost his seat purely and simply because he was over-confident that he WOULDN'T lose his seat... but then he did... so we got this convoluted nonsense about how he would have left but the party didn't want him to so now he "has to" stay.

There's nothing to be sour about, is there? It's actually pretty funny :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sour grapes over what? The fact that Nigel said he would resign and then, in one of the least surprising political "twists" in living memory, actually didn't? He was never going anywhere, he said he would resign if he lost his seat purely and simply because he was over-confident that he WOULDN'T lose his seat... but then he did... so we got this convoluted nonsense about how he would have left but the party didn't want him to so now he "has to" stay.

There's nothing to be sour about, is there? It's actually pretty funny :hehe:

a man of his word, and one of the most popular political figures in decades

we should all be rejoicing, no matter what party you pull for

[user104658]

a man of his word, and one of the most popular political figures in decades

we should all be rejoicing, no matter what party you pull for
Those of us who can see through his charm, which he admittedly does have, in a way, would be happy to never hear from him again.

He's also not a man of his word if he stays on as leader. Simply.

[Niamh.]

a man of his word, and one of the most popular political figures in decades

we should all be rejoicing, no matter what party you pull for

he said he was going to resign and he didn't lol

[joeysteele]

he said he was going to resign and he didn't lol

He has made himself a laughing stock.

What is being said by UKIP by this farce,is that after he is gone they are completely finished.

His word is now meaningless too.
He has now just joined the real world of most of politics where what he says and what he does are 2 entirely different things.

[Niamh.]

He has made himself a laughing stock.

What is being said by UKIP by this farce,is that after he is gone they are completely finished.

His word is now meaningless too.
He has now just joined the real world of most of politics where what he says and what he does are 2 entirely different things.

:laugh: spot on Joey

[Kizzy]

My view is Carswell was involved in some espionage... anyone else think it's odd the only UKIP member to win a seat was an ex tory?

[user104658]

His word is now meaningless too.
He has now just joined the real world of most of politics where what he says and what he does are 2 entirely different things.

My thoughts exactly. The "man of his word" image mentioned by LT is something he's played on to great effect for years and he's completely obliterated that now. He said he would step down, but now there's a caveat; he stepped down but would immediately step back up? Going back on his word on a technicality.

His supporters may think it justified but the damage is huge. He's shown that he will go back on a promise under pressure or if he thinks it's for "the greater good", which means that he's now just like any other politician. You can't trust his promises. He will wriggle out of them if he feels necessary.

[arista]

Do I detect the faint whiff of mutiny aboard ship UKIP?... :joker:

MP Douglas Carswell seizing the reins?



No I think Douglas is to busy helping his locals
he is a good MP thats why he won again.

[Niamh.]

My thoughts exactly. The "man of his word" image mentioned by LT is something he's played on to great effect for years and he's completely obliterated that now. He said he would step down, but now there's a caveat; he stepped down but would immediately step back up? Going back on his word on a technicality.

His supporters may think it justified but the damage is huge. He's shown that he will go back on a promise under pressure or if he thinks it's for "the greater good", which means that he's now just like any other politician. You can't trust his promises. He will wriggle out of them if he feels necessary.

It's very easy for politicians with no power to claim they are "men of their words" :laugh:

[Cherie]

Basically his bluff backfired, I think he arrogantly thought saying he would step down if he didn't win his constituency would effectively seal his win, now he has to backtrack, I hope when I hand in my resignation my boss won't refuse :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh dear it seems that all those who did not win in this election are very sore losers. :nono:You need to learn from Nigel about being gracious in defeat.

This is not the end of ukip, nor was it the beginning - it was the end of the beginning and now the battle can really begin

[Cherie]

oh dear it seems that all those who did not win in this election are very sore losers. :nono:You need to learn from Nigel about being gracious in defeat.

This is not the end of ukip, nor was it the beginning - it was the end of the beginning and now the battle can really begin

:omgno:

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2014/05/faragefront2.gif

[Niamh.]

oh dear it seems that all those who did not win in this election are very sore losers. :nono:You need to learn from Nigel about being gracious in defeat.

This is not the end of ukip, nor was it the beginning - it was the end of the beginning and now the battle can really begin

You can't call me a sore loser when I know nothing about British politics and have no real interest in who wins or doesn't in your election, I'm just calling a spade a spade as an unbiased bystander :fan:

[Crimson Dynamo]

You can't call me a sore loser when I know nothing about British politics and have no real interest in who wins or doesn't in your election, I'm just calling a spade a spade as an unbiased bystander :fan:

An unbiased Irish person?


:think:

[Niamh.]

An unbiased Irish person?


:think:

when it comes to another countries government.........yes :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

when it comes to another countries government.........yes :laugh:

He would make a great leader of your TYSPXTYSTSYXYSTSYSXSTSS

or whatever you call it :idc:

[Niamh.]

He would make a great leader of your TYSPXTYSTSYXYSTSYSXSTSS

or whatever you call it :idc:

We have plenty of our own assholes over here already thanks :laugh:

[Kizzy]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2014/05/faragefront2.gif

If I ever get as unbiased as this guy will someone please put me out of my misery :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

If I ever get as unbiased as this guy will someone please put me out of my misery :idc:

admit it Kizzler he gives you the odd hot flush?

[Kizzy]

admit it Kizzler he gives you the odd hot flush?

*drake face*

[Gstar]

I didn't know that a resignation can be declined, sucks for him

[Cherie]

An unbiased Irish person?


:think:

Swing that hammer Niamh.

[Cherie]

I didn't know that a resignation can be declined, sucks for him


Yes its a new phenomenon, you hand in your notice, its declined and you have to commute as you have relocated to Scotland LT does it every day :omgno:

[Niamh.]

Swing that hammer Niamh.

I tried to ban him but he refused to be banned, damn it :fist:

[bots]

Well, you can refuse to accept the fact that they have refused to accept your resignation, and if Nige was serious about resigning, that would have been it. Clearly he was just posturing.

[MTVN]

A major stand-off has developed between senior UKIP figures and the party's only MP over public money they are entitled to receive. UKIP is entitled to around £650,000 of what's known as short money which goes to opposition parties to help finance their back-room operations.

I understand Douglas Carswell was approached by UKIP's party secretary yesterday and asked to recruit 15 extra staff for his parliamentary office. The Clacton MP rejected the proposal, making it clear he was not going to agree to the plan, which sources close to him have described as "improper". It's also believed that the Essex MP thinks spending that amount of taxpayers' money is "not what we're about".

It's believed that details of the dispute were made public by UKIP party officials following Mr Carswell's refusal to agree. Mr Carswell told the BBC: "I am not a US senator", adding, "I don't need 15 staff". He ended by saying: "UKIP is supposed to be different."

Oh dear oh dear, UKIP performing a masterclass in how to piss off your only MP

[Crimson Dynamo]

I tried to ban him but he refused to be banned, damn it :fist:

I may resign

:inamood:

[bots]

Oh dear oh dear, UKIP performing a masterclass in how to piss off your only MP

I can see another bi-election on its way. If ukip had taken that 650k for one mp, they would have been a laughing stock

[arista]

"asked to recruit 15 extra staff"


No Stand Off
Douglas has said No
he is the MP

Stop trying to make this Big
like the Stupid BBC keep doing

[Kizzy]

I may resign

:inamood:

Accepted!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Accepted!

my party has refused to accept so I am reluctantly staying on

i am a man of my word


until a better word comes along

[MTVN]

"asked to recruit 15 extra staff"


No Stand Off
Douglas has said No
he is the MP

Stop trying to make this Big
like the Stupid BBC keep doing

No this is massive, UKIP civil war

[Crimson Dynamo]

UKIP’s NEC overwhelmingly refused my resignation, citing the party membership support as a reason for which I should stay on. I was reluctant. I wanted evidence, I wanted options. And they all came. I was left in a situation that made it clear; there was only one person the NEC wanted for the job, and the party membership was in support.

So, I breathed deep, and thought for as long as I possibly had, given the meeting was ongoing, and still is, at my time of writing this. I decided that as much as I had earned my holidays. As much as I wanted to spend the summer fishing, walking, and of course, in the European Parliament where all hell is currently breaking loose – that I owed it to the party that got me here.

:clap1:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11598007/Nigel-Farage-Why-I-decided-I-had-to-stay-on-as-Ukip-leader.html

[Niamh.]

:fan:

[arista]

No this is massive, UKIP civil war



It is not
He is the MP & Legit
under his area he calls the fecking Shots


No Such War
its all Hype

[Cherie]

Accepted!

:joker:

[MTVN]

It is not
He is the MP & Legit
under his area he calls the fecking Shots


No Such War
its all Hype

See now arista you were wrong:

A senior UKIP official close to Nigel Farage has accused the party's only MP of "absurd" and "improper" behaviour after claims that Douglas Carswell was asked to recruit 15 extra staff for his parliamentary office.

The source told the BBC the Clacton MP sent an email yesterday saying he wanted sole control of around £650,000 that UKIP is set to receive in what's known as short money for opposition parties.

They suggested this was an "improper" proposal. They said the party planned to give Douglas Carswell staff but added "at no point have we said what we expect him to do". The senior party staffer said "this is him throwing his toys out of pram because he thought Nigel wouldn't be leader any more".

UKIP has insisted that the public funds will go to the party irrespective of Mr Carswell's views, saying they've "triple, quadruple checked that".

The source said "it's for us to spend as we want to spend it" and they added that "the party will take a dim view of four million people going unrepresented" if the Essex MP refuses to accept some of the money.

UKIP civil war

[chuff me dizzy]

Farage a St amongst men and the best man for the job, Good luck Nigel lad !! :worship:

[arista]

"A senior UKIP official "


Give me a name


You are Wrong

Hype

[Crimson Dynamo]

dont let mtvn suck you in to his liberal web of lies Arista

[joeysteele]

It really wouldn't surprise me now that 'if' they would have him, Douglas Carswell didn't return to the Conservative party.

[empire]

Labour have lost the working class vote, to ukip and the green party, this is what most people will not admit on this forum, ed mil's, advisor said that the working class vote for ukip and the greens, was 13 percent, a large amount of ukip's voters where from labour working class area's, in this year's election, not all working class people are lazy, and many want to find work, but labour's bribe was a rise the the dole money, that is not helping them find jobs, labour and the tory's are out of touch, in the real world, labour will never get the high working class vote again,

[arista]

dont let mtvn suck you in to his liberal web of lies Arista


I am not
I know the truth.


Douglas is a Good MP

Farage is the Leader

they can not agree at all times
this is very normal.

Infact that what Farage
likes about his party

[arista]

It really wouldn't surprise me now that 'if' they would have him, Douglas Carswell didn't return to the Conservative party.


Joey he can not
the back door is Double Bolted



also Douglas is happy in UKIP
FACT

[joeysteele]

Joey he can not
the back door is Double Bolted



also Douglas is happy in UKIP
FACT

Come on arista, with only a 12 overall majority,the fear of any by elections taking place and being lost, it would make far more sense for the Conservatives to open that door again.

Carswell is happy, of course he is, he is the only MP UKIP have.

[MTVN]

There's been repeated signs that Carswell is not happy:

- Refused to endorse Farage's comments over foreigners and HIV
- He argued very strongly after Farage had resigned that UKIP are not a one man party and when he was asked about possible leaders he reeled off several names but did not included Farage even though he knew he might be competing
- He says he only found Farage had unresigned on twitter
- He repeatedly refused to back Farage's return
- And now this spat over funding

I sense Carswell regrets his move now or at least wishes UKIP could go in a different direction. Trouble is his resignation would presumably mean the third election in Clacton in a very short time period which would all be a bit farcical and could piss off his supporters

[Crimson Dynamo]

Carswell is more likely to go independent

he is a maverick

[arista]

Come on arista, with only a 12 overall majority,the fear of any by elections taking place and being lost, it would make far more sense for the Conservatives to open that door again.

Carswell is happy, of course he is, he is the only MP UKIP have.


Never will happen
He left without telling anyone
The Door is bolted


He will stay as the Only UKIP MP

[arista]

Carswell is more likely to go independent

he is a maverick


No he will stay as UKIP.


MTVN is Hype
never gives the Name

[arista]

There's been repeated signs that Carswell is not happy:

- Refused to endorse Farage's comments over foreigners and HIV
- He argued very strongly after Farage had resigned that UKIP are not a one man party and when he was asked about possible leaders he reeled off several names but did not included Farage even though he knew he might be competing
- He says he only found Farage had unresigned on twitter
- He repeatedly refused to back Farage's return
- And now this spat over funding

I sense Carswell regrets his move now or at least wishes UKIP could go in a different direction. Trouble is his resignation would presumably mean the third election in Clacton in a very short time period which would all be a bit farcical and could piss off his supporters


Thats Old news


You Sense Hype


No Real Facts


You are a Mod
its a OUTRAGE

[user104658]

oh dear it seems that all those who did not win in this election are very sore losers. :nono:You need to learn from Nigel about being gracious in defeat.

This is not the end of ukip, nor was it the beginning - it was the end of the beginning and now the battle can really begin
Name me one anti-nige person in this thread who wasn't anti-nige weeks, months or years ago? Go on LT, if this is about being sore losers, these must be new opinions?

Hmmmmmmm oh no wait, every single person lining up to laugh at pathetic Nigel as he completes the tour de france in reverse has always been anti-ukip. Your argument that it's sour grapes therefore falls totally flat :(.

He said he would resign because he thought he would win. He didn't win. He didn't resign. He lied. A career politician playing games like the rest of them. You're absolutely kidding yourself if you try to claim that this will have no effect on his reputation and his bubbling speech is little more than damage control.

At the very least, his credibility is affected and his position - in debates, TV interviews, etc. - is massively weakened. You know this perfectly well. If anyone is being biased...

[Crimson Dynamo]

not another mod drama after "Mockgate"?

these new styled maverick mods are creating a post election labour style anarchy at tibb towers

when will vicky return and sort this hot mess out?

[joeysteele]

Thats Old news


You Sense Hype


No Real Facts


You are a Mod
its a OUTRAGE

He is right though arista as to all that.

You really know your politics arista,I always respect that in you but do you really think the Conservatives will not try to coax him back again.

There are still many Conservative MPs who have a high regard for Douglas Carswell.
Even I know that and I am not now a Conservative supporter.

[JoshBB]

"I am a man of my word... I would like to resign from UKIP please."
"No."
"Oh well I tried hahaha guess you're stuck with me. what can i do XD"

[arista]

not another mod drama after "Mockgate"?

these new styled maverick mods are creating a post election labour style anarchy at tibb towers

when will vicky return and sort this hot mess out?

Yes

Vicky Spank him

[arista]

He is right though arista as to all that.

You really know your politics arista,I always respect that in you but do you really think the Conservatives will not try to coax him back again.

There are still many Conservative MPs who have a high regard for Douglas Carswell.
Even I know that and I am not now a Conservative supporter.


Yes that remains
Douglas is a Top Man
I respect him.

I am a Conservative

[MTVN]

Thats Old news


You Sense Hype


No Real Facts


You are a Mod
its a OUTRAGE

Look I am here giving great breaking info and behind-the-scenes news, there is no outrage here. All is not well between Carswell and UKIP and that is an absolute fact.

You are too far behind, you'll probably come in this section in two months time once Carswell leaves UKIP and make out you are offering some breaking news when really the likes of me and Joey will have seen the writing on the wall for some time

[arista]

"You are too far behind"


How Dare you say that to me.

You can not give
or a "Name"


Also post links
you cheat


It is a Outrage

I calling the Owner of this site

[MTVN]

I am getting my info as it happens from the great BBC politics live feed, they are better informed and more up to date than you are

[arista]

I am getting my info as it happens from the great BBC politics live feed, they are better informed and more up to date than you are


Like I said in the First place
BBC Hype.

[bots]

Look I am here giving great breaking info and behind-the-scenes news, there is no outrage here. All is not well between Carswell and UKIP and that is an absolute fact.

You are too far behind, you'll probably come in this section in two months time once Carswell leaves UKIP and make out you are offering some breaking news when really the likes of me and Joey will have seen the writing on the wall for some time

:joker:

[Cherie]

I am getting my info as it happens from the great BBC politics live feed, they are better informed and more up to date than you are

:laugh:

[Cherie]

So let me get this straight each opposition MP gets 650,000 for backroom staff as well as expenses :umm2: makes the £70.00 giro look like a bargain

[MTVN]

But some of it is based on the impression some people get of Mr Carswell as already slightly semi-detached from Ukip. He didn't appear at the party's manifesto launch, he looked very uncomfortable with Nigel Farage's tub-thumping on HIV+ immigrants (his father was a doctor who treated HIV patients in Uganda). And then there's the unresignation, which is about as far away from the Carswell way of doing politics as you can get.

Could Mr Carswell desert Ukip as he did the Tories?

He isn't the sort to jump because it's good for his career. But nor I suspect is he the sort to compromise on his principles for the financial advantage of his party.
This is why that money row is so serious.

Even Mr Carswell's critics consider him a man of principle. Indeed, if he has a fault it's that he can be a little stiff and unbending, qualities than can mean he comes across as a little humourless.

It's worth recalling that when he defected from the Tories to Ukip he insisted on getting his voters' approval in a by-election.

Having thus established the Carswell Convention, I am sure that if he did leave the party under whose colours he was elected last week, perhaps to become an independent, he would again trigger a by-election in Clacton, an election Ukip would surely struggle to win.

This is a man who takes his relationship with his constituents seriously. How would he explain to the people of Clacton why their taxes should pay for the 15 staff members Ukip apparently wants him to hire?

Ukippers should be careful not to ask Mr Carswell to choose between party and principle. There is little doubt about his choice.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11601622/Douglas-Carswell-is-a-decent-man.-How-long-can-he-put-up-with-Ukip.html

Here for UKIP losing their only MP :xyxwave:

[MTVN]

The BBC with some more behind-the-scenes news on UKIP's civil war:

A party with just one MP and there are serious splits, almost unbelievably.

On the one hand, you’ve got a principled row between Douglas Carswell and other senior figures. He doesn't want to take the money, but some figures at the top of the party believe they need the money and they should take it.

On the other, there's something quite nasty going on in private between Carswell and one senior figure close to Farage, briefing against each other. I think there's some dishonest versions of what's going on and it's all quite nasty.

[bots]

The BBC with some more behind-the-scenes news on UKIP's civil war:

I read a report on the BBC that Carswell wanted to take the 650K, but demanded to be able to spend it himself, rather than being told how it would be spent by the party. Its all warming up rather nicely :laugh:

[Kizzy]

I read a report on the BBC that Carswell wanted to take the 650K, but demanded to be able to spend it himself, rather than being told how it would be spent by the party. Its all warming up rather nicely :laugh:

That sounds truer to his tory roots :laugh:

[empire]

there has been a lot of voting fraud, in this years election, at least two voting ballot boxes, went missing in south thanet, I believe they where dumped some where, the establishment fear farage, they did not want him having a seat at the house of commons, they knew he would win that seat, so they had to play dirty and cheat, the police will not investigate it, because they are in bed with the establishment parties, bit like the freemasons,