UKIP Chief attacks "Snarling Farage"

[Cherie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32732129

The chief of UKIP's election campaign has launched a fierce attack on Nigel Farage, describing him as a "snarling, thin-skinned and aggressive man".

Patrick O'Flynn, the party's economics spokesman and one of its senior MEPs, claimed the leader is no longer the "cheerful, ebullient, cheeky and daring" politician he was portrayed to be in recent times.

Following on from Mr Farage's unsuccessful bid to become the MP for Thanet South, Mr O'Flynn has claimed his leader is transforming UKIP into a "personality cult".

In an interview with The Times newspaper, he described the events of recent days - which saw Mr Farage's offer to resign rejected by UKIP's national executive - as a "fiasco".

He also warned the leader's "aggressive and inexperienced" aides could damage the party's future performance and the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union.


:hehe:

[joeysteele]

Extraordinary what is going on with UKIP, so surprising this personal attack on Farage as well.

[Cherie]

Extraordinary what is going on with UKIP, so surprising this personal attack on Farage as well.

Considering Mr O'Flynn dubbed him a "genius" just last year it is quite a turnaround.

[joeysteele]

Considering Mr O'Flynn dubbed him a "genius" just last year it is quite a turnaround.

Isn't it just,clearly he didn't want him staying on as leader then.

[Crimson Dynamo]

lol

one man gets cross with another shock :omg:


:fist: and he is not thin skinned

[MTVN]

Wonder if arista will still deny the Ukip civil war :fan:

They're completely imploding, I thought that Farage's unresignation might put some noses out of joint amongst their other big dogs and seems that's what has happened. O'Flynn is right - Ukip either had a choice after this election to move on from Farage and try and establish themselves as a party in their own right, or they could risk looking ridiculous by desperately clinging onto him despite his resignation and just showing themselves up completely as a one man party. They chose the latter

[Toy Soldier]

This is all just sour grapes. UKIP won the election fair and square because they got the most seats and now it seems like the losers are just desperate to...

Oh wait no, that's right, they won **** all and are collapsing in on themselves :joker:.

[joeysteele]

Wonder if arista will still deny the Ukip civil war :fan:

They're completely imploding, I thought that Farage's unresignation might put some noses out of joint amongst their other big dogs and seems that's what has happened. O'Flynn is right - Ukip either had a choice after this election to move on from Farage and try and establish themselves as a party in their own right, or they could risk looking ridiculous by desperately clinging onto him despite his resignation and just showing themselves up completely as a one man party. They chose the latter

That is the only conclusion that is right,well said.

[Cherie]

Wonder if arista will still deny the Ukip civil war :fan:

They're completely imploding, I thought that Farage's unresignation might put some noses out of joint amongst their other big dogs and seems that's what has happened. O'Flynn is right - Ukip either had a choice after this election to move on from Farage and try and establish themselves as a party in their own right, or they could risk looking ridiculous by desperately clinging onto him despite his resignation and just showing themselves up completely as a one man party. They chose the latter


He should have stuck to his guns, have to say I thought he would and I guess he surprised a lot of people by doing a U turn on his resignation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i suspect this chap wanted to be the leader and now he cant :bawling:


all good post election promo for purple

[Kizzy]

:joker: sounds like Flynn and Carswell have frozen Farage out... no cut of the spoils for you nige, and you put all the work in too :/

Time to bring back Kilroy?

[Niamh.]

Wonder if arista will still deny the Ukip civil war :fan:

They're completely imploding, I thought that Farage's unresignation might put some noses out of joint amongst their other big dogs and seems that's what has happened. O'Flynn is right - Ukip either had a choice after this election to move on from Farage and try and establish themselves as a party in their own right, or they could risk looking ridiculous by desperately clinging onto him despite his resignation and just showing themselves up completely as a one man party. They chose the latter

I was just going to post that you were right about that civil war. I think Arista owes you an apology :fan:

[MTVN]

Won't hold my breath :idc:

Even old Godfrey is wading in now:

Former UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom says Douglas Carswell "should step forward now" and run for leader.

"For the good of the party they should unite behind him," he tells Victoria Derbyshire.

"But I don't think he wants it. It's a poisoned chalice."

And Mr Bloom has some strong words about the way UKIP has been run under its current leader.

"Any criticism of Nigel is seen as disloyalty to the cause. We saw that before, did we not, in the 1930s."

[Kizzy]

Farage must be knocked sick, he spent years building this party and some tory comes and snatches it :fan:

[Denver]

What a idiot does he realise Farage is a genius and future prime minister?

[arista]

Wonder if arista will still deny the Ukip civil war :fan:

They're completely imploding, I thought that Farage's unresignation might put some noses out of joint amongst their other big dogs and seems that's what has happened. O'Flynn is right - Ukip either had a choice after this election to move on from Farage and try and establish themselves as a party in their own right, or they could risk looking ridiculous by desperately clinging onto him despite his resignation and just showing themselves up completely as a one man party. They chose the latter



We need hear from Flynn or Farage
direct
without the over excited BBC

[MTVN]

What a idiot does he realise Farage is a genius and future prime minister?

:joker:

[Denver]

:joker:

Not here for UKIP mockers :smug:

[arista]

[Former UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom]


His view on this does not count

[Denver]

[Former UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom]


His view on this does not count

I agree :clap1:

[arista]

I was just going to post that you were right about that civil war. I think Arista owes you an apology :fan:



No
Its BBC Biased News


I watched the better debate on it
SkyNewsHD Live

[arista]

I agree :clap1:


MTVN
is searching for anything to post
without a word from Farage or Flyn on LIVE TV news

[MTVN]

Flynn made the comments in an interview with the Times lol

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4439808.ece

[arista]

Flynn made the comments in an interview with the Times lol

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4439808.ece


Yes he did
then Your BBC went Crazy with it.

So Flynn has problems
he can leave
or shut the feck up

[Denver]

I think its time britian took UKIP serious because there here to stay and there her to win the next election

[arista]

I think its time britian took UKIP serious because there here to stay and there her to win the next election


Yes thanks to them
Ed Balls is no longer a MP



Utter Bliss

[Kizzy]

Yes he did
then Your BBC went Crazy with it.

So Flynn has problems
he can leave
or shut the feck up

I thought you were a conservative Arista, why would you care about the inner workings of UKIP?
If they want to implode let's just sit back and watch the show :)

[arista]

I thought you were a conservative Arista, why would you care about the inner workings of UKIP?
If they want to implode let's just sit back and watch the show :)


Because at the Election
they Helped us get into Full Power

Fact

[arista]

That Conservative Lady only took over
Ed Balls seat as loads of Labour voted UKIP
taking his total Away


I look at the Bigger Picture

[Toy Soldier]

I think its time britian took UKIP serious because there here to stay and there her to win the next election
I doubt this is the case. Really doubt it. However, I am starting to think that they couldn't be much worse than the Tories.

[arista]

At Last Flynn was just Live on SkyNewsHD
no problem with Farage
just his advisers who no one will name


On Daily Politics
same thing

[Crimson Dynamo]

storm in a teacup but good for keeping ukip top of the agenda

[Toy Soldier]

storm in a teacup but good for keeping ukip top of the agenda
You're starting to sound genuinely deluded LT. Fanatical, one might say :joker:

[Suze]

i suspect this chap wanted to be the leader and now he cant :bawling:


all good post election promo for purple

Just what I was thinking :D

[arista]

storm in a teacup but good for keeping ukip top of the agenda


True
and making MTVN and Kizzy
think its bigger problem

[joeysteele]

Because at the Election
they Helped us get into Full Power

Fact

2 things helped the Conservatives this election and I feel UKIP had little at all to do with it in the end.
UKIP fell to under 13% of the vote,they made headway in a few seats but very few really as to altering the result.

What really helped the Conservatives was the SNP rise in Scotland, that gave them the opportunity to warn of dangers,non existent dangers in my view, of a Labour govt; aided by the SNP, which had good effect in the Midlands and South.

However, the major aid to the Conservatives was the total collapse of the Lib Dems.
They took over 25 of the Lib Dem seats and near helped wipe them out, without those gains,they would not have come anywhere nearer an overall majority than they did in 2010.

Take those gained Lib Dem seats away from the Conservatives and they would have had just less seats than they got in 2010.
Nothing much at all to do with UKIP, who at best gained a lot of votes and a lot of 2nd places but very few seats where they in fact controlled the result at all.

[arista]

Labours Ed balls
only Lost because of UKIP high amount
The the Conservative lady Won

[bots]

2 things helped the Conservatives this election and I feel UKIP had little at all to do with it in the end.
UKIP fell to under 13% of the vote,they made headway in a few seats but very few really as to altering the result.

What really helped the Conservatives was the SNP rise in Scotland, that gave them the opportunity to warn of dangers,non existent dangers in my view, of a Labour govt; aided by the SNP, which had good effect in the Midlands and South.

However, the major aid to the Conservatives was the total collapse of the Lib Dems.
They took over 25 of the Lib Dem seats and near helped wipe them out, without those gains,they would not have come anywhere nearer an overall majority than they did in 2010.

Take those gained Lib Dem seats away from the Conservatives and they would have had just less seats than they got in 2010.
Nothing much at all to do with UKIP, who at best gained a lot of votes and a lot of 2nd places but very few seats where they in fact controlled the result at all.

Spot on

[joeysteele]

Labours Ed balls
only Lost because of UKIP high amount
The the Conservative lady Won

One seat you keep going on about, where then where UKIPs other successes. They couldn't hold the 2 they had and their leader, despite being included in leaders debates too, couldn't even pull off a win in the seat he stood in just as no other UKIP candidates could nationwide too.

So UKIP possibly affecting the result in just one seat,gave the Conservatives their overall majority.
I believed you knew a lot about politics with respect arista.

UKIP got a lot more as to votes but achieved really nothing at all and got nowhere near the expectations there were as to them.

[MTVN]

Even in Balls seat I'd be surprised if UKIP took many more votes of Labour than the Conservatives

[arista]

One seat you keep going on about, where then where UKIPs other successes. They couldn't hold the 2 they had and their leader, despite being included in leaders debates too, couldn't even pull off a win in the seat he stood in just as no other UKIP candidates could nationwide too.

So UKIP possibly affecting the result in just one seat,gave the Conservatives their overall majority.
I believed you knew a lot about politics with respect arista.

UKIP got a lot more as to votes but achieved really nothing at all and got nowhere near the expectations there were as to them.


Yes the fell short
only keeping good MP Douglas


But everytime some votes UKIP
it can effect Conservative and Labour

[arista]

Even in Balls seat I'd be surprised if UKIP took many more votes of Labour than the Conservatives



They did
16,000 votes


Local Labour voters hated him

[arista]

Joey Its A Fact UKIP helped David to be PM

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/09/ukip-tory-tories-election

[bots]

Ed Balls lost because for one reason or another, the people in his constituency wanted him out. Its possible that people were more comfortable voting UKIP than conservative, but if UKIP hadn't been there, the conservatives would have got the votes instead. When the people have had enough, that's it. Look at Scotland, a 20 year old student with no experience whatsoever took out a cabinet minister. That wasn't because she was the better candidate, its because people wanted him out and the SNP in.

[arista]

[William Cash, the Ukip candidate in Warwickshire North,
was in no doubt: “The reason the Tories have won the key battleground
of the Midlands is that Ukip came to their rescue.
We rode into the flanks of the white working class and captured them.
I had Tory workers coming up and hugging me.”]



Joey look at the Bigger Picture

[arista]

http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-460/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/5/8/1431076250330/5949218b-8f86-498c-b7c5-0d4d2880443d-460x276.jpeg

[Toy Soldier]

I know I'll probably be flamed for saying so but more and more there's serious hints of "cultishness" where UKIP are concerned. There seems to be some sort of complete delusion surrounding their importance or the effect they had on the election result, and what likely importance they're going to have going forward. They even have their very own messiah who is championed as being able to do no wrong, even when he goes back on his promises. Excuses are abundant.

Most observers can surely see that UKIP hit their peak during 2014? They're on the way back down now and are highly unlikely to suddenly rebound and be more relevant than ever. Especially with the leadership fiasco. They had almost convinced some people that they were a genuine and cohesive political force on the rise but this has just outed them as the same old rabble... All they ever had going for them was a skilled public speaker. It's not enough to build a government on. Not by a long way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I know I'll probably be flamed for saying so but more and more there's serious hints of "cultishness" where UKIP are concerned. There seems to be some sort of complete delusion surrounding their importance or the effect they had on the election result, and what likely importance they're going to have going forward. They even have their very own messiah who is championed as being able to do no wrong, even when he goes back on his promises. Excuses are abundant.

Most observers can surely see that UKIP hit their peak during 2014? They're on the way back down now and are highly unlikely to suddenly rebound and be more relevant than ever. Especially with the leadership fiasco. They had almost convinced some people that they were a genuine and cohesive political force on the rise but this has just outed them as the same old rabble... All they ever had going for them was a skilled public speaker. It's not enough to build a government on. Not by a long way.

with an EU ref on the way and the African immigration problem?

they are not going away, they have just started

[Toy Soldier]

with an EU ref on the way and the African immigration problem?

they are not going away, they have just started
They will be the only anti-EU voice up against the full force of all of the major parties, and whilst in another recent thread some would have had us believe that the mass media doesn't hold sway over these matters... It's bull****. The entirity of media funding will be behind a "no" vote. On top of that, Farage is UKIP's only weapon when it comes to making a case for abandoning the EU, and whether or not you want to admit it, recent events will have had a massive impact on his credibility. People were listening to him six months ago when he was still riding high off the back of the European elections. Fewer people will be listening now that he's yo-yo'd in and out of resignation and has become involved in intra-UKIP leadership squabbles.

I'm sure they will still have support. I'm sure they will be shouting as loudly as ever. But they are no longer on the way up.

[Kizzy]

True
and making MTVN and Kizzy
think its bigger problem

It is a bigger problem for Farage, his party has been hijacked by tory Carswell.

[arista]

It is a bigger problem for Farage, his party has been hijacked by tory Carswell.


No Douglas left David
and is now the only UKIP MP


He is happy there

[Livia]

UKIP are eating themselves.

[Kizzy]

No Douglas left David
and is now the only UKIP MP


He is happy there

Of course he's happy he has £650,000! :laugh:

[MTVN]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/480/amz/vivo/live/images/2015/5/14/tweet-598841372175630336-2.jpg

[Livia]

They're going to need a bigger boat...

[Toy Soldier]

You know what I've just noticed? And I have no idea why it's never really struck me like this before...

... The UKIP logo is crap. Like really, really crap... "someone knocked it together in 15 minutes using MS Paint" sort of crap. This may be a petty observation but now that I've seen it, I can't ever un-see, it like when you see the guy getting sucked off in the 2012 Olympics logo. That's all you'll ever see when you look at it.

[empire]

sounds like the media, are twisting things again, the only way he can never return to the party, if the large amount of its members, force him out, but the large amount of its members did not want him to quit the party, it sounds like bull **** from the press who are pro establishment, never trust the press, only a fool would.

[MTVN]

MTVN no update
on the UKIP staff member who has left?

Yes the first casualty of the UKIP civil war, many more to come

[arista]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03304/Arron-Banks-ukip-f_3304387b.jpg

[MTVN]

Oh Raheem Kassam has gone as well now, victory for Carswell and O'Flynn

[arista]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_war

Hardley a Civil War

[arista]

Oh Raheem Kassam has gone as well now, victory for Carswell and O'Flynn


He is backing Nigel
on Both SkyNewsHD and BBCNewsHD (yours)


Its no civil war at all


Douglas is happy
Nigel is Busy
Flynn is happy with Nigel now/


So MTVN
stop hyping "Civil War" as it ain't

[Crimson Dynamo]

just another day in politics with the media trolling it up

[bots]

UKIP will be an ex party before the next election

[arista]

UKIP will be an ex party before the next election


We will see.

[Denver]

UKIP will be an ex party before the next election

They haven't spent 22 years growing to disband after there vest election yet

[joeysteele]

UKIP will be an ex party before the next election

I cannot see what they can possibly really stand for after the referendum is out of the way.
Whatever the result.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I cannot see what they can possibly really stand for after the referendum is out of the way.
Whatever the result.

SIGH

YES JUST LIKE THE SNP

:rolleyes:

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3081492/Moment-BBC-s-deputy-political-editor-flounders-accidentally-calling-Nigel-Farage-c-live-broadcast-discusses-Ukip-s-fighting.html

[MTVN]

SIGH

YES JUST LIKE THE SNP

:rolleyes:

In Scottish nationalism the SNP still have a cause which can survive even without independence though; they can still claim to be there for Scottish interests and for Scotland as a whole beyond their party. UKIP would have nothing like that to fall back on unless they became a sort of English nationalist party which they have already come quite close to doing tbf

[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3081492/Moment-BBC-s-deputy-political-editor-flounders-accidentally-calling-Nigel-Farage-c-live-broadcast-discusses-Ukip-s-fighting.html


Typical of MTVN's BBC

[MTVN]

BBC saying what we're all thinking again :clap1:

[arista]

Great news From Ch4HDNews
the lady in Charge gives her full support to Nigel

And Live From New York
on SkyNewsHD
Kassam who is going sends his full support for Nigel.
And Flynn needs to go or have a break



See LT
MTVN sticks with dusty old BBC

And CH4HDNews
& SkyNewsHD had Exclusives

Its so great having 5 TV's


Sign Of The Times

[Crimson Dynamo]

In Scottish nationalism the SNP still have a cause which can survive even without independence though; they can still claim to be there for Scottish interests and for Scotland as a whole beyond their party. UKIP would have nothing like that to fall back on unless they became a sort of English nationalist party which they have already come quite close to doing tbf

I would think that would be the smart move for them as i cant see the ref being a yes or any way close

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great news From Ch4HDNews
the lady in Charge gives her full support to Nigel

And Live From New York
on SkyNewsHD
Kassam who is going sends his full support for Nigel.
And Flynn needs to go or have a break



See LT
MTVN sticks with dusty old BBC

And CH4HDNews
& SkyNewsHD had Exclusives

Its so great having 5 TV's


Sign Of The Times

5 tvs in the bunker


life in the city:joker:

[bots]

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

It was a slip of the tongue to be fair, but that will be played in blooper shows for the next 20 years :laugh:

[Samuel.]

You know what I've just noticed? And I have no idea why it's never really struck me like this before...

... The UKIP logo is crap. Like really, really crap... "someone knocked it together in 15 minutes using MS Paint" sort of crap. This may be a petty observation but now that I've seen it, I can't ever un-see, it like when you see the guy getting sucked off in the 2012 Olympics logo. That's all you'll ever see when you look at it.

It really is a couple of words away from being an alternative pound land logo. Almost a scissor looking £ to boot.

[Toy Soldier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkB33oR3e4w

Unbeeped. :hehe:

[the truth]

everyone who insults farage ends up 1000 times worse off.....when will they ever learn?
ive seen more snarl on noddy.....farage is a nice bloke a genius politicial performer and right on just about everything

[empire]

farage say's things that people close their ears to, why are people throwing the race card at him for saying that Britain needs a Australian style immigration system, in truth we need it now, everyone pays there way in life, and nothing is free in this world, he made a good point about the refugee crisis, when people are homeless in this country, and a large amount are on food banks, everything he says about the eu is correct,

[the truth]

farage say's things that people close their ears to, why are people throwing the race card at him for saying that Britain needs a Australian style immigration system, in truth we need it now, everyone pays there way in life, and nothing is free in this world, he made a good point about the refugee crisis, when people are homeless in this country, and a large amount are on food banks, everything he says about the eu is correct,

of course it is and shame on ALL those fake politically correct opportunist reverse bigots who have tried to silence all debate for decades.....to falsely accuse someone of racism or bigotry is a crime and should see these people charged....yet another sick new labour legacy. people see population is up to 64 million plus and we have a massive housing shortage.....guess why? 1) labour rewarded worklessness so 2) they had to millions of immigrants to do the job and of course farage has been 100% right about europe and tony bliar was 100% wrong, as he was about absolutely everything

[Toy Soldier]

everyone who insults farage ends up 1000 times worse off....

Another RNG statistic brought to you by "the truth". I can't work out what this one even means.

[Kizzy]

Have I insulted Farage.?. I better go around my bed with the salt tonight then #noneshallpass

[Northern Monkey]

I think its time britian took UKIP serious because there here to stay and there her to win the next election

:thumbs: i agree.Although alot of people wish it were'nt true.The only way UKIP is going anywhere is if we pull out of the EU under the Tories,If that does'nt happen then there will always be a UKIP.The more powers that are lost to Europe the more relevant UKIP will become.

[Northern Monkey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkB33oR3e4w

Unbeeped. :hehe:

Haha!Brilliant!:joker:

[MTVN]

:thumbs: i agree.Although alot of people wish it were'nt true.The only way UKIP is going anywhere is if we pull out of the EU under the Tories,If that does'nt happen then there will always be a UKIP.The more powers that are lost to Europe the more relevant UKIP will become.

If we vote to stay in then that will draw a line under it for at least fifty years

[Kizzy]

It has been alleged that Nigel Farage never formally resigned from Ukip as part of what party sources have told the Spectator was a stitch up to avoid a leadership contest.

It is claimed that the Ukip leader never wrote a letter to the party’s chairman tendering his resignation. He told the media on Friday that he would write to the party resigning. When it met on Monday, it is said the National Executive Committee had still not received a letter. A source tells me that when someone asked where the letter was, they were told ‘it is being typed out as we speak’. The source says the letter never appeared.



http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/exclusive-nigel-farage-never-resigned-from-ukip-in-stitch-up/

[Crimson Dynamo]

They had a leadership contest last year and no one stood against nigel

[JoshBB]

What a idiot does he realise Farage is a genius and future prime minister?

Can you really call someone idiotic and then make both grammatical and spelling errors in your post?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can you really call someone idiotic and then make both grammatical and spelling errors in your post?

yes as a post is a conversation and not a letter for a job interview

[empire]

Do you think any of them media journalists would live in a council estate, no, they no nothing about real work if it was brought to them, all they have done to ukip is twist and lie, and hype up about something that has never happened to the party, those journalists love labour so much that it is a middle class party now.

[Jack_]

Just came across this in a random Facebook comments thread and I lost my ****

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11071577_823821161005798_7246079378187631075_n.jpg ?oh=5e1b96f303c2bdc948fbf1e7f8843f7e&oe=55CC682B&__gda__=1443320176_99a426b77a3de7f195b1b31c729bf38 b

:laugh3:

[Kizzy]

:joker: :joker: :joker:

[Kizzy]

'Patrick O’Flynn MEP has resigned as Ukip’s economics spokesman, and apologised for the interview he gave last week describing Nigel Farage as “snarling, thin-skinned and aggressive”. He has just issued this statement.

I would like to express to colleagues my sincere regret at going public with my frustrations about the turn of events following polling day. And more than that, I would like to apologise directly to Nigel for the phrase ‘snarling, thin-skinned and aggressive’. This was a fragment of a wider passage about perceptions and is not what I think of him. Nonetheless, I should have known better than anyone what use would be made of phrases that were both unfair and unkind.

I am proud of what we achieved in the general election and am only sorry to have succumbed, as Roger [Helmer] put it with such impressive understatement, to public remarks that were ‘unhelpful’. I think it appropriate to stand down as economic spokesman, which I have done. I hope in the months ahead to be of use to the great campaign to persuade the British people to leave the EU, which is after all what brought me into politics in the first place.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/may/19/yvette-cooper-says-labour-sounded-anti-worker-for-people-in-big-firms-politics-live

[MTVN]

Another victim of the civil war, who will be next I wonder

[arista]

Another victim of the civil war, who will be next I wonder



Wrong

Douglas And Nigel were together today


Flynn had to go - Fool he was

Your Fake War Over
Fact

[joeysteele]

I didn't care for Patrick O'Flynn, you don't let people in the position he was go without a fight,clearly now his face doesn't fit with Nigel Farage, who it seem has become even more full of his own self importance after having UKIP plead with him not to go.

After Flynn going, who will dare speak out against Farage, it is a really odd set up that is now being seen by the average voters as to UKIP definitely.

[Niamh.]

Another victim of the civil war, who will be next I wonder

:fan:

[arista]

I didn't care for Patrick O'Flynn, you don't let people in the position he was go without a fight,clearly now his face doesn't fit with Nigel Farage, who it seem has become even more full of his own self importance after having UKIP plead with him not to go.

After Flynn going, who will dare speak out against Farage, it is a really odd set up that is now being seen by the average voters as to UKIP definitely.

Yes Flynn was a fool
he is Gone

UKIP Doing well now

[joeysteele]

Yes Flynn was a fool
he is Gone

UKIP Doing well now

I think not, it now appears more than ever that Farage's 'resignation'was likely a stunt, no matter what he and UKIP say.

He and maybe they, have used this whole charade to get more publicity, deflecting attention from the poor results as to seats won in the election,which has given him the opportunity of gaining even more say as to UKIP's affairs.

He states he doesn't want UKIP to be seen as one man band,yet in all this, it looks even more that it is,than it ever did before even.
That is a poor show for any party.

[arista]

Joey Today
Douglas and Nigel
at Parliament

You are not up to speed with Negative Poster MTVN
with respect

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/18/17/28D251BF00000578-3086288-All_smiles_Nigel_Farage_and_Douglas_Carswell_tried _to_bury_their-m-71_1431964864234.jpg

Fact

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/18/18/28D28A5E00000578-3086288-Douglas_Carswell_took_a_group_selfie_with_Ukip_dep uty_chairman_S-m-81_1431970918777.jpg

Fact

[joeysteele]

Joey Today
Douglas and Nigel
at Parliament

You are not up to speed with Negative Poster MTVN
with respect

MTVN knows his stuff,with respect.

Well they cannot be together in parliament as Farage didn't win the seat he was sure of doing so.
For the photo opportunities they will always appear smiling.

[arista]

MTVN knows his stuff,with respect.

Well they cannot be together in parliament as Farage didn't win the seat he was sure of doing so.
For the photo opportunities they will always appear smiling.


Wrong he went to co Sign a form with Douglas

Farage on the 2nd Photo is at Number 10
[MP Douglas Carswell took a group selfie with
UKIP deputy chairman Suzanne Evans and
the party's leader
Nigel Farage outside Number 10 ]




Joey
MTVN is not a Fair poster on UKIP
Fecking Fact

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/18/18/28D23D1C00000578-3086288-image-a-79_1431970709874.jpg
[A cross-party petition calling for vote reform was handed in to Downing Street]




Fact

[arista]

With No Daily Politics
it may be hard for some


But with SkyNewsHD, BBCNewsHD , ITV1News HD
Ch5NewsHD and soon on Ch4HD News

All reported far better than your Mod

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/18/15/28D264D200000578-3086288-image-a-56_1431959514092.jpg

Yes Nigel
Douglas is a Top MP


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/18/18/28D20B6B00000578-3086288-image-a-82_1431970946051.jpg
One for a LT

[Crimson Dynamo]

quite right Arista

MTVN is on the wind up as his party evaporated before his very eyes and labour

well, it has become a joke party

Ukip are sorting house as they have a lot of hard work to do regarding the euro vote.

[joeysteele]

Wrong he went to co Sign a form with Douglas

Farage on the 2nd Photo is at Number 10
[MP Douglas Carswell took a group selfie with
UKIP deputy chairman Suzanne Evans and
the party's leader
Nigel Farage outside Number 10 ]




Joey
MTVN is not a Fair poster on UKIP
Fecking Fact

Outside no.10,that's alright then.

It isn't for me to comment on another member but I think MTVN reads UKIP's future very well indeed.

Of course they will be around for the referendum on the EU but either way,after that,they will have little relevance at all.
Since, I also believe this govt; will achieve better results as to immigration too in the next 5 years,with Labour also in line on that too.

UKIP not disappearing but probably never hitting towards 15% in a general election again.
If the referendum is a no to staying in result, UKIP then have little purpose after that,any other policies can easily be presented more forcefully by the other parties.

If the result is a yes to staying in, especially a narrow yes,then there will be no appetite from the 2 main parties to even think of going down the referendum road again for at least decades, if indeed ever.

[arista]

quite right Arista

MTVN is on the wind up as his party evaporated before his very eyes and labour

well, it has become a joke party

Ukip are sorting house as they have a lot of hard work to do regarding the euro vote.

Bang On Right LT

[empire]

the pm will be having nightmares tonight when he saw nigel farage standing near number ten,

[MTVN]

Outside no.10,that's alright then.

It isn't for me to comment on another member but I think MTVN reads UKIP's future very well indeed.

Of course they will be around for the referendum on the EU but either way,after that,they will have little relevance at all.
Since, I also believe this govt; will achieve better results as to immigration too in the next 5 years,with Labour also in line on that too.

UKIP not disappearing but probably never hitting towards 15% in a general election again.
If the referendum is a no to staying in result, UKIP then have little purpose after that,any other policies can easily be presented more forcefully by the other parties.

If the result is a yes to staying in, especially a narrow yes,then there will be no appetite from the 2 main parties to even think of going down the referendum road again for at least decades, if indeed ever.

Thank you very much Joey, I am appalled that arista would consider my views to be anything but fair and balanced

[MTVN]

quite right Arista

MTVN is on the wind up as his party evaporated before his very eyes and labour

well, it has become a joke party

Ukip are sorting house as they have a lot of hard work to do regarding the euro vote.

Still 8x more seats than your mob

I am not really that much of a Lib Dem mind

[joeysteele]

Still 8x more seats than your mob

I am not really that much of a Lib Dem mind

Bit off topic but who out of Tim Farron and Norman Lamb do you thing has the best chance of restoring the Lib Dems to 3rd party in votes again over UKIP,MTVN.
I'd go for Tim Farron myself.

[MTVN]

Bit off topic but who out of Tim Farron and Norman Lamb do you thing has the best chance of restoring the Lib Dems to 3rd party in votes again over UKIP,MTVN.
I'd go for Tim Farron myself.

Hmm well I think Farron definitely will win; he's the party darling who has put in the hard yards to rise through the ranks and has a lot of support amongst the grassroots. He very much represents a new start and a break with the Clegg era so probably does have the best hope of rejuvenating the party. I do actually like Lamb as well and might even prefer him to Farron but I just don't think Lamb is enough of a character to muster widespread support and I don't think he's as capable as breathing new life into the Lib Dems. I think Lamb would be the continuity candidate and that's probably not what they need.

It's a very difficult role for either of them. It will probably take ten years at an absolute minimum to recoup their losses from this election, probably even longer. It might not happen at all; if Labour and the Tories both move to occupy the centre ground then the Lib Dems need to do a lot of thinking about where their place is in modern politics.

[the truth]

Outside no.10,that's alright then.

It isn't for me to comment on another member but I think MTVN reads UKIP's future very well indeed.

Of course they will be around for the referendum on the EU but either way,after that,they will have little relevance at all.
Since, I also believe this govt; will achieve better results as to immigration too in the next 5 years,with Labour also in line on that too.

UKIP not disappearing but probably never hitting towards 15% in a general election again.
If the referendum is a no to staying in result, UKIP then have little purpose after that,any other policies can easily be presented more forcefully by the other parties.

If the result is a yes to staying in, especially a narrow yes,then there will be no appetite from the 2 main parties to even think of going down the referendum road again for at least decades, if indeed ever.

the referendum will be enormous....and farage will be the only leader fighting the other pro European zealots. the result of the referendum will determine our future and ukips....I don't see ukip doing much in 20 years but with farage they may be a force for the next 5 to 10 years..farage has done an enormously great service for this country in europe

[joeysteele]

the referendum will be enormous....and farage will be the only leader fighting the other pro European zealots. the result of the referendum will determine our future and ukips....I don't see ukip doing much in 20 years but with farage they may be a force for the next 5 to 10 years..farage has done an enormously great service for this country in europe

I admire his commitment to his cause,even though I strongly oppose all he says as to the EU.
That is one thing I admire, he has stuck to his guns and he will likely be the only leader of a party advocating leaving the EU, no matter what deal David Cameron gets or even doesn't get.

The CBI now is calling for members to be more vocal in their support for being in the EU, that in turn with a Conservative govt; (desperate in the main as to them not wanting to be the govt; that takes us out of the EU really),will swing the media to portray that David Cameron has won some incredible concessions and have them swing behind the yes campaign too likely.

That will be UKIP and Nigel Farage's real test.

I still believe myself, those who wish to leave the EU will come wind,rain, hail or snow go out any time of the year to achieve that aim.
Those who would prefer to stay in, or have no real position either way, are less likely to make the effort to vote.
So if it was reasonably close.I could see the UK sleepwalking out of the EU.

Which is why, nearer the time, I can see a good number of Conservative MPs,reluctant to support a referendum bill if it looked like it was too close to call or it seemed a vote to leave would likely be the result.
As you say, UKIP and Nigel Farage will be the only and lone voices advocating leaving the EU.

After the referendum,that is when UKIP in my view will fade in popularity,eve moreso if its a resounding yes to staying in.
I have always however admired Farage for not budging an inch from his long held view as to the EU,while never at all agreeing with him on it in any way.

[MTVN]

Some of Nigel Farage's fellow European Parliament members have been making references to his shortlived resignation as UKIP leader.

Guy Verhofstadt, leader of the ALDE group that includes British Lib Dems, said: “Nigel Farage has sent a letter to Nigel Farage saying I resign, and Nigel Farage has responded to Nigel Farage saying ‘I refuse’."

:fan:

[the truth]

I admire his commitment to his cause,even though I strongly oppose all he says as to the EU.
That is one thing I admire, he has stuck to his guns and he will likely be the only leader of a party advocating leaving the EU, no matter what deal David Cameron gets or even doesn't get.

The CBI now is calling for members to be more vocal in their support for being in the EU, that in turn with a Conservative govt; (desperate in the main as to them not wanting to be the govt; that takes us out of the EU really),will swing the media to portray that David Cameron has won some incredible concessions and have them swing behind the yes campaign too likely.

That will be UKIP and Nigel Farage's real test.

I still believe myself, those who wish to leave the EU will come wind,rain, hail or snow go out any time of the year to achieve that aim.
Those who would prefer to stay in, or have no real position either way, are less likely to make the effort to vote.
So if it was reasonably close.I could see the UK sleepwalking out of the EU.

Which is why, nearer the time, I can see a good number of Conservative MPs,reluctant to support a referendum bill if it looked like it was too close to call or it seemed a vote to leave would likely be the result.
As you say, UKIP and Nigel Farage will be the only and lone voices advocating leaving the EU.

After the referendum,that is when UKIP in my view will fade in popularity,eve moreso if its a resounding yes to staying in.
I have always however admired Farage for not budging an inch from his long held view as to the EU,while never at all agreeing with him on it in any way.

to say you disagree with ALL that he says regaridng the EU is simply a lie. You havent even listened to ALL that he said for starters nor have you even read the constitution so you dont even know what youre agreeing or disagreeing with....embarassing

[Jack_]

to say you disagree with ALL that he says regaridng the EU is simply a lie. You havent even listened to ALL that he said for starters nor have you even read the constitution so you dont even know what youre agreeing or disagreeing with....embarassing

What on earth is your problem? :umm2: you've just jumped on another poster who made a perfectly civilised and reasonable post to you for no reason at all

[arista]

What on earth is your problem? :umm2: you've just jumped on another poster who made a perfectly civilised and reasonable post to you for no reason at all


Its a Open thread
Not just a Gang of Anti UKIP posters


I back David Cameron
I back Winners

Feel The Force

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/18/17/28D251BF00000578-3086288-All_smiles_Nigel_Farage_and_Douglas_Carswell_tried _to_bury_their-m-71_1431964864234.jpg


Its Called Democracy Jack

[joeysteele]

to say you disagree with ALL that he says regaridng the EU is simply a lie. You havent even listened to ALL that he said for starters nor have you even read the constitution so you dont even know what youre agreeing or disagreeing with....embarassing

How unpleasant you are.
I am well sick of listening to him blaming all the UKs ills on the EU,while himself pocketing nicely good wages for being part of the EU as an MEP.

I doubt very many people interested in politics or Europe are not near fully versed by now as to his views and thoughts as to the EU.

Also, kindly cut out the insults and stop accusing me or anyone else of lying too.
You really are way overstepping an acceptable mark now.

I am fully versed as to the EU, I studied politics at Uni and because I passionately believe that the UK should be in the EU, made sure I knew what I was talking about.
Nigel Farage would have the UK believe all will be sorted if we leave the EU, all the UK's ills gone for good.
That is the only likely real big lie as to the EU, and from him.

[joeysteele]

What on earth is your problem? :umm2: you've just jumped on another poster who made a perfectly civilised and reasonable post to you for no reason at all

I am used to it Jack_.
It is getting really tedious now however. Shocking behaviour.

[Kizzy]

It's important to listen to business isn't it ...That's what Cameron, Farage et al are always force feeding us?
Then why when the CBI suggest businesses promote staying in the EU is this not acknowledged?....

[arista]

It's important to listen to business isn't it ...That's what Cameron, Farage et al are always force feeding us?
Then why when the CBI suggest businesses promote staying in the EU is this not acknowledged?....


Thats one blokes Viewpoint


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFdWmudXIAEKjon.jpg

[bots]

Thats one blokes Viewpoint



No, its much more than one guy, the CBI represents all business across the UK. Kizzy makes an excellent point

[joeysteele]

No, its much more than one guy, the CBI represents all business across the UK. Kizzy makes an excellent point

I was just going to say that.

This man is one powerful influence, no doubt about that.

[arista]

No, its much more than one guy, the CBI represents all business across the UK. Kizzy makes an excellent point



Of course The CBI has importance
but its still the one blokes fight
he debated Live on Early morning Radio 5
Farage Won it,

[the truth]

anyone who attacks farage ends up looking biased and ignorant as with Russell brand or bigoted...farage has his facts hes been there and worn the tshirt for many years exposing the total fraud waste corruption HYPOCRISY and mismanagement of the eu

[MTVN]

anyone who attacks farage ends up looking biased and ignorant as with Russell brand or bigoted...farage has his facts hes been there and worn the tshirt for many years exposing the total fraud waste corruption HYPOCRISY and mismanagement of the eu

Farage is the most bigoted, biased and ignorant a person there is

[Jack_]

Farage is the most bigoted, biased and ignorant a person there is

:joker:

Indeed

[arista]

Farage is the most bigoted, biased and ignorant a person there is


He is Not Ignorant


And he must be Biased
for his party.


I Back the PM
I Back Winners

[arista]

anyone who attacks farage ends up looking biased and ignorant as with Russell brand or bigoted...farage has his facts hes been there and worn the tshirt for many years exposing the total fraud waste corruption HYPOCRISY and mismanagement of the eu

Yes

Like Why have Strasbourg open

Even the BBC Daily Politics
that MTVN follows, like me
exposed it and the corruption

[the truth]

Farage is the most bigoted, biased and ignorant a person there is
lies