Supergirl Trailer (From the Makers of 'Arrow' and 'The Flash')

[Tom4784]

Lm46-envrHo

Looks messy.

[user104658]

Wtf this looks properly ****...

[Mystic Mock]

The superhero stuff looks okay, the humour looks like it could let it down as it feels out of place.

[michael21]

why it on sky

[Lostie!]

Woops, the Pilot's leaked.

[Tom4784]

Woops, the Pilot's leaked.

welp.

[Firewire]

death

[Tom4784]

The same thing happened to Flash' pilot which has the same production team as Supergirl iirc or at least the same producers.

They have no luck when it comes to leaks.

[Tom4784]

I watched the Pilot, I actually thought it was pretty good. The only thing that really bothered me about it is that they don't say Superman's name often and they keep referring to him as 'the cousin' or 'the big guy' or 'him' and it's really jarring.

[arista]

Lm46-envrHo

Looks messy.


Give it a Chance You Snob

[Lostie!]

Finally watched the first episode of this last night. Wasn't crazy about it but I'm gonna watch the rest for the sake of the crossovers with the shows I watch (and Chris Wood and Katie McGrath joining season 2 :flutter:)

[Lostie!]

4 episodes in now and each episode has been an improvement on the last imo. I really enjoyed the Livewire episode, she was a great villain (her physical design reminded me of Killer Frost tbh :laugh:) and I really liked Cat's development. Also the mysteries with Henshaw and Alex's father are intriguing.

One thing that's annoying me though, how often they say "my cousin / your cousin". We get it, she's Superman's cousin!!

Winn really reminds me of Cisco, they're like the same person. I'd love them to come face to face in the crossover :laugh:

[Tom4784]

The first half of the season is a bit iffy but it goes from strength to strength in the second half.

[Lostie!]

Just watched episode 7. I'd already read about the Hank reveal but I was surprised to see it happen so early. I'm glad, it's always annoying when I accidentally spoil a plot twist and then have to wait ages for it to play out :laugh:

It's a shame that Calista Flockhart is only gonna be around on a recurring basis rather than as a series regular for season 2, Cat's become one of my favourite parts of the show. At least she's still gonna be around though!

Only 3 more episodes until I'm halfway through the season :laugh:

[Lostie!]

J'onn's backstory :sad:

[Lostie!]

Not a fan of the Winn / Siobhan pairing. He saw how she was a royal bitch to his best friend (and to him as well for that matter), how about showing some loyalty (and self respect while you're at it) by not shagging her just because she's hot :idc:

Although I actually felt really bad for her when Kara went evil and got her fired. :worry:

Speaking of, I loved Melissa as the bitchy, catty version of Kara (and I'm so used to her playing super sweet girls, first Marley in Glee now Kara so it was a fun switch up) :laugh:

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[Lostie!]

I have to say it's a nice touch having the Danvers parents played by actors who played Superman and Supergirl in the past. Sort of like Barry's father in The Flash being a former Flash actor himself.

[Tom4784]

The red kryptonite episode was probably the best one tbh :love:

Yeah, I loved the casting too.

[Lostie!]

I really enjoyed the crossover, it was good fun and I loved the humour :laugh:

Can't believe I'm 2 episodes away from being caught up already :joker:

[Lostie!]

"Go get me one of those moon juice smoothies with the Chinese herbs that Gwyneth keeps talking about, I want one every two hours."

"But you hate Chinese herbs. And Gwyneth."

"Not true. I don't like the Coldplay guy but ever since they consciously uncoupled I like Gwynny more than ever."

:laugh2:

[Tom4784]

I'm gonna miss her </3

[Lostie!]

All caught up now! If I'm honest, I didn't find the main arc of the season regarding Myriad massively compelling but I just really loved some of the characters (Kara, Cat, Alex, J'onn, Lucy, Indigo :love:) and really did enjoy it, flaws and all.

The stuff with Project Cadmus and Jeremiah Danvers was really interesting though so I'm excited to delve deeper into that in Season 2.

I'm gonna miss her </3

Yeah, Cat was a major high point of the season, it's gonna be a shame not having her around as much :(

[Tom4784]

Yeah the Myriad storyline was awful but the main cast was good.

I just hope they don't go for the obvious choice with who's in the pod. No one wants Kara's mom :fist:

[Lostie!]

Oh they accounced who it is already, I saw an article about it before I'd even watched an episode :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Oh I haven't seen it.

[Lostie!]

Dichen Lachman's been cast in Season 2 :amazed: So along with Chris Wood and Katie McGrath, that's 3 actors I love joining the new season :flutter:

Probably just for one episode but still. Loved her in Agents of SHIELD and The 100 :love:.

[Tom4784]

Oh, I like her :clap1:

[Lostie!]

I'm 4 episodes into the new season atm and I'm finding it to be much improved over season 1 :clap1:

Loving Brenda Strong as the villain :flutter: (and Project Cadmus in general tbh). That virtual face that appeared on Cadmus' broadcast in episode 2 really reminded me of Gideon from The Flash and Legends :laugh:

I hope Roulette will show up again since she was free at the end of her episode.

[Tom4784]

I do like her but Katie McGrath's attempt at an american accent makes me howl.

[Lostie!]

Surprisingly I haven't found it that jarring actually, although I did the first time I heard her do american in Slasher :laugh:

But yeah I really like Lena, hope she's around for a while.

[Lostie!]

I still hate the opening narration though, although that goes for all of the DC shows. We get it already :idc:

[Tom4784]

'My name's Barry Allen and I'm the fastest man alive!'

*spends the entire season being outmatched by yet another villainous speedster*

[Ramsay]

So i'm a few episodes behind Arrow/Flash/Legends. Never watched Supergirl, will i need to catch up on this show too now that they are doing a big crossover so should i just leave it alone?

[Tom4784]

So i'm a few episodes behind Arrow/Flash/Legends. Never watched Supergirl, will i need to catch up on this show too now that they are doing a big crossover so should i just leave it alone?

I'd watch it just so you're covered for future crossovers.

[Ramsay]

Ah yes, fair point! Is it good?

[Tom4784]

Ah yes, fair point! Is it good?

Season 1 is better than Season 1 of Arrow but not as good as Flash's first season.

It's inconsistent (like most of these shows) but it's fun.

[Lostie!]

So i'm a few episodes behind Arrow/Flash/Legends. Never watched Supergirl, will i need to catch up on this show too now that they are doing a big crossover so should i just leave it alone?

I'd say it's less vital to watch Supergirl than it is the other 3 because it stands alone for the most part while the other shows have a lot more in terms of elements bleeding over from one to the other. Supergirl takes place in another universe so, apart from the times that it does crossover, it's pretty much its own thing.

But yeah, can't harm to give it a go. The first season was pretty hit and miss (and it takes the cheese to a whole new level) but as Dezzy says it's fun. I'm enjoying Season 2 a lot more as well.

[user104658]

Personally I'd say you could skip S1 entirely (assuming you know the basic back story... she's Superman's cousin, she always had powers but wasn't living as a superhero, has now taken up superheroing) and start at the beginning of Season 2, which isn't that many episodes in so should be a quick catch-up. Season 2 is a dramatic improvement over S1, IMO.

[user104658]

'My name's Barry Allen and I'm the fastest man alive!'

*spends the entire season being outmatched by yet another villainous speedster*

It's actually starting to get quite irritating, for a brief few episodes I had hope that it might finally not be yet another faster-than-Barry speedster in S3... ... ... but then, nope, another one, faster than ever. "This one is so fasterer that most peoples can't even seeing him omg!" ... Yawn.

[Tom4784]

It's actually starting to get quite irritating, for a brief few episodes I had hope that it might finally not be yet another faster-than-Barry speedster in S3... ... ... but then, nope, another one, faster than ever. "This one is so fasterer that most peoples can't even seeing him omg!" ... Yawn.

Killer Frost and Alchemy should be the main villains tbh

[Lostie!]

Just watched episode 8 (the midseason finale </3), capped off a very strong first half of the season, I hope the second half continues to be as enjoyable :clap1:

Okay so I know he was attacking her and everything but I hope Kara didn't actually kill Kelex. He's adorable, it's not his fault he got reprogrammed or whatever :nono:

I'm really liking that they've brought the real Henshaw in as an antagonist, David Harewood is great so it's cool seeing him play the dual personalities of J'onn and Henshaw both in the present storyline. At first I thought Henshaw being called Cyborg Superman seemed random but I found out that is actually Hank Henshaw's role in the comics. Although in the comics he apparently ends up with a body identical to Superman (just a cybernetic version obviously) so I hope they go down that route eventually because otherwise having him branded as a cyborg counterpart to Superman still feels random :laugh:

I love Lena and this trend of her having such an active role in saving the day :clap1: Upgrade Katie to a regular tbqh. "Some mothers wear a locket with a picture of their kids around their neck. You wear the keys to a bazooka." :laugh2:

I loved the breaches that randomly showed up throughout the episode being revealed as Barry and Cisco, I feel so stupid for not making that connection. :joker:

[user104658]

OMG ultimate crossover. Darth Revan turns up alive and well in Supergirl :omgno:

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[Nicky91]

season 5 has begun this month

i had watched first 2 episodes last night

so we have Lena quitting as owner of catco, her selling to a best friend and tech businesswoman bitch Andrea Rojas, who immediately has a dislike for Kara, Jimmy quitting at catco

a new villain, Midnight shows up, and also J'onn's brother

Lena also towards a villain arc, she wants to do good, no more conflicts for the world, with help of some AI called Hope, who is now inside miss eve teschmacher's body :fan:

we still love trans queen nicole maines as Nia Nal/Dreamer, and she and brainy are now dating

[Oliver_W]

I skipped to the end of the thread to avoid spoilers, but: What DC Comics shows do you guys think are worth watching?

I haaated Titans S1, but S2 is ... okay. I'm not liking Batwoman. But I've not seen any of the other shows yet! Supergirl is the one I know the least about from the comics, so I'll have less to compare it to so may like it more haha.

[Tom4784]

I skipped to the end of the thread to avoid spoilers, but: What DC Comics shows do you guys think are worth watching?

I haaated Titans S1, but S2 is ... okay. I'm not liking Batwoman. But I've not seen any of the other shows yet! Supergirl is the one I know the least about from the comics, so I'll have less to compare it to so may like it more haha.

The Arrowverse is quite fun but you have to go into it knowing that it's junkfood TV. Supergirl and Batwoman are part of that as are Arrow, The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow. In order to get the most out of one of those shows, you kinda have to watch all of them since every season they do a week long crossover event and there's little bits here and there that you may miss by not keeping up with all four shows.

If you're gonna watch those shows and you wanna keep in line with each show properly then this is a rough way to watch them

- Watch Season 1 and 2 of Arrow
- Watch Season 3 of Arrow alongside Season 1 of Flash
- Watch Season 4 of Arrow, Season 2 of Flash, Season 1 of Supergirl.
- Watch Season 5 of Arrow, Season 3 of Flash, Season 2 of Supergirl and Season 1 of Legends of Tomorrow.
-Carry on until this year's seasons in which you'll add Batwoman to the list.

There's also a show called Black Lightning but it doesn't take place in the same world although it will have a part in this year's crossover.

Is it worth it to watch them all? Certain seasons are excellent, Season 2 of Arrow for example is damn near perfect, Season 1 of The Flash is both wonderfully magical while simultaneously making you cry ugly tears, Supergirl Season 4 starts off a bit heavy handed but becomes great as it goes on and Legends of Tomorrow is just wacky ridiculous from Season 2 onwards. There's at least one bad season in each show though (Two of an half for Arrow, two for Flash, one and a half for Supergirl and the first season of Legends is difficult to get through).

If you love trash easy-to-watch TV, you'll probably burn through it but if you can't get past the fact that the scripts are never great and the performances are your typical teen drama-esque calibre then you'll hate it.

[user104658]

As Dezzy says; it's all wonderful trash honestly.

That said, I'm not the biggest fan of Supergirl... I like Kara herself, but I think it has the weakest supporting characters to be honest. Supergirl is at her best in the yearly crossovers :shrug:.

Both Flash and Arrow have some weaker seasons (The Flash writers clearly didn't know what to do with his abilities for a while when he got "up to speed", so to speak, so were constantly nerfing him). Arrow started off slightly too brutal, then went too far the other way (lots of arrows hitting guns out of people's hands) but found a balance in the last few seasons - less killing poor random henchmen for no reason like in S1 :umm2:, but still realistically injuring (and occasional deaths). It's on its final season now though.

Legends... the first season isn't great but at this point it may be my fav CW DC show. Because it KNOWS it's wonderful trash and just runs with it. I mean... it had Biff from Back To The Future as a main character's dad ffs. And he even made the "Make like a tree" joke :flutter:.

[LukeB]

Is this show any good?

[user104658]

Is this show any good?Read the thread :nono:

If thread is tl;dr...

It's cheap n cheerful, perfectly watchable but not exactly hard-hitting drama.

[LukeB]

Read the thread :nono:

If thread is tl;dr...

It's cheap n cheerful, perfectly watchable but not exactly hard-hitting drama.

Spoilers :nono:

Is it better than The Flash? I gave up on that

[user104658]

Spoilers :nono:



Is it better than The Flash? I gave up on thatI personally would say no... It's my least fav of the DC shows on CW.

[Oliver_W]

As Dezzy says; it's all wonderful trash honestly.

That said, I'm not the biggest fan of Supergirl... I like Kara herself, but I think it has the weakest supporting characters to be honest. Supergirl is at her best in the yearly crossovers :shrug:.

Both Flash and Arrow have some weaker seasons (The Flash writers clearly didn't know what to do with his abilities for a while when he got "up to speed", so to speak, so were constantly nerfing him). Arrow started off slightly too brutal, then went too far the other way (lots of arrows hitting guns out of people's hands) but found a balance in the last few seasons - less killing poor random henchmen for no reason like in S1 :umm2:, but still realistically injuring (and occasional deaths). It's on its final season now though.

Legends... the first season isn't great but at this point it may be my fav CW DC show. Because it KNOWS it's wonderful trash and just runs with it. I mean... it had Biff from Back To The Future as a main character's dad ffs. And he even made the "Make like a tree" joke :flutter:.

The Arrowverse is quite fun but you have to go into it knowing that it's junkfood TV. Supergirl and Batwoman are part of that as are Arrow, The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow. In order to get the most out of one of those shows, you kinda have to watch all of them since every season they do a week long crossover event and there's little bits here and there that you may miss by not keeping up with all four shows.

If you're gonna watch those shows and you wanna keep in line with each show properly then this is a rough way to watch them

- Watch Season 1 and 2 of Arrow
- Watch Season 3 of Arrow alongside Season 1 of Flash
- Watch Season 4 of Arrow, Season 2 of Flash, Season 1 of Supergirl.
- Watch Season 5 of Arrow, Season 3 of Flash, Season 2 of Supergirl and Season 1 of Legends of Tomorrow.
-Carry on until this year's seasons in which you'll add Batwoman to the list.

There's also a show called Black Lightning but it doesn't take place in the same world although it will have a part in this year's crossover.

Is it worth it to watch them all? Certain seasons are excellent, Season 2 of Arrow for example is damn near perfect, Season 1 of The Flash is both wonderfully magical while simultaneously making you cry ugly tears, Supergirl Season 4 starts off a bit heavy handed but becomes great as it goes on and Legends of Tomorrow is just wacky ridiculous from Season 2 onwards. There's at least one bad season in each show though (Two of an half for Arrow, two for Flash, one and a half for Supergirl and the first season of Legends is difficult to get through).

If you love trash easy-to-watch TV, you'll probably burn through it but if you can't get past the fact that the scripts are never great and the performances are your typical teen drama-esque calibre then you'll hate it.

Cool, thanks both :D I screenshotted the watching order so I wouldn't lose it 8-)

To me Green Arrow is just "Black Canary's boyfriend", I know next to nothing about him which doesn't come up along with her in the comics. I even thought he might be a renegade Lantern at first, with having "Green" in his name. Ironic really as Dinah joined the Corps!

But yeah thanks, I smell a CW marathon coming on :dance:

[user104658]

Be aware that S1 arrow is quite different to the entire rest of the DCTV universe. They went for a grittier "Nolan Batman" style take on things but really his murderous rampage is not justifiable hero-stuff :joker:. Though to be fair, I think they do a good job in-story later of explaining his psychology when he started out as a vigilante (and also why he later commits to a "only when there's no choice" philosophy over a "lol arrow for YOU arrow for YOU arrow for YOU too!" attitude)

[user104658]

Forgot to mention that the CW's version of Crisis on Infinite Earths is this year and I'm so here for it :joker:.

Apparently, Brandon Routh (Ray Palmer/Atom in Legends) will ALSO be playing his version of Superman (from Superman Returns) and I've also heard Tom Welling is making an appearance :omgno:. So including the Superman from Supergirl, there will potentially be a 3-superman team up.

It's also just awesome to have Smallville be a canon alternate reality in the CW DC.

[Oliver_W]

Forgot to mention that the CW's version of Crisis on Infinite Earths is this year and I'm so here for it :joker:.

Apparently, Brandon Routh (Ray Palmer/Atom in Legends) will ALSO be playing his version of Superman (from Superman Returns) and I've also heard Tom Welling is making an appearance :omgno:. So including the Superman from Supergirl, there will potentially be a 3-superman team up.

It's also just awesome to have Smallville be a canon alternate reality in the CW DC.

That's pretty cool :D It also shows I have some catching up to do - I didn't even realise Atom was in any of the adaptions :joker: There was a cool bit in a zombie storyline where he became super small (obvs) and entered a bloodstream to study the virus:dance:

[user104658]

That's pretty cool :D It also shows I have some catching up to do - I didn't even realise Atom was in any of the adaptions :joker: There was a cool bit in a zombie storyline where he became super small (obvs) and entered a bloodstream to study the virus:dance:He's been around for quite a while, maybe longer than Flash I think? He was introduced in Arrow and then moved over to Legends. I'm pretty sure there are some drole Superman jokes scattered around in Legends already :joker:. Interesting to have them fully acknowledge Routh's Superman as someone who literally exists.

[Oliver_W]

I'm really enjoying Arrow so far!
but
it's odd how Ollie is dating Huntress instead of Black Canary

[user104658]

I'm really enjoying Arrow so far!
but
it's odd how Ollie is dating Huntress instead of Black Canary

:think: Is he? I obviously don't remember the first few seasons very well :joker:

[Oliver_W]

:think: Is he? I obviously don't remember the first few seasons very well :joker:

oop, not anymore :joker:

[user104658]

NGL to you Oliver, you should be prepared for a tonal shift in Arrow mid-S3

Minor(ish since you know the other shows exist) spoiler:

Arrow was originally going for semi-realism, it wanted to distinguish itself from Smallville by not being about super-powers / sci-fantasy but they obviously changed direction, Barry Allen (pre-Flash) gets a backdoor pilot mid S3 and then from S4 onwards, after The Flash itself started airing, Arrow is obviously part of the same universe with Metahumans, mystical stuff, eventually Multiverse etc. but that obviously changes the overall direction of the show.

Being fair though, stick with it, because while it sort of fumbled a bit trying to make that change initially, it allowed for some of the peak Arrow stuff IMO (Ra's Al Ghul storyline) which wouldn't have been possible without it becoming more... comic-y.

[Oliver_W]

NGL to you Oliver, you should be prepared for a tonal shift in Arrow mid-S3

Minor(ish since you know the other shows exist) spoiler:

Arrow was originally going for semi-realism, it wanted to distinguish itself from Smallville by not being about super-powers / sci-fantasy but they obviously changed direction, Barry Allen (pre-Flash) gets a backdoor pilot mid S3 and then from S4 onwards, after The Flash itself started airing, Arrow is obviously part of the same universe with Metahumans, mystical stuff, eventually Multiverse etc. but that obviously changes the overall direction of the show.

Being fair though, stick with it, because while it sort of fumbled a bit trying to make that change initially, it allowed for some of the peak Arrow stuff IMO (Ra's Al Ghul storyline) which wouldn't have been possible without it becoming more... comic-y.
Heh, I won't be too bothered by the change, my "current" Arrow is probably the most serious thing I current watch regularly :joker:
Plus as a fan of DC comics, I had an idea things would move in that direction based on some of the episode titles.

[user104658]

In terms of the whole "Crisis" storyline...

Is it seeming far too obvious? We know Arrow is ending after Crisis... we know Flash is not ending. Flash supposedly disappears in Crisis never to return and it's the only way to save the multiverse - but he obviously doesn't. We've also seen loads of flash-forward sequences in Arrow, where Oliver Queen has been missing for a long time. So... Green Arrow takes Flash's place in doing whatever "needed to be done" to avert Crisis. Surely? They're making it easier to predict than ever though :think:

[Nicky91]

those crossovers are annoying :idc:


btw as for latest supergirl ep

more and more signs of the producers turning Lena into a villain, j'onn's brother now locked up in her lab

it was last episode of Jimmy olsen, as mehcad indeed departed the series

and William's plan is revealed, working as undercover to learn more about Andrea Rojas and her business, family etc

[user104658]

those crossovers are annoying :idc:



:nono: They're some of the best episodes of each show. Benefits of a combined budget, I suppose.

[Oliver_W]

Could Arrow continue but with Speedy? Where I am now Olly has recruited the guy I know from the comics becomes Speedy, so I'm guessing he will down the line?
Though Speedy is a silly name and sounds Flash-adjacent, so he'll probably go straight to being Arsenal.

I like that Canary was in a clock tower, when she's a member of Birds of Prey in the comics they're based in a clock tower <3

[user104658]

Could Arrow continue but with Speedy? Where I am now Olly has recruited the guy I know from the comics becomes Speedy, so I'm guessing he will down the line?
Though Speedy is a silly name and sounds Flash-adjacent, so he'll probably go straight to being Arsenal.

I like that Canary was in a clock tower, when she's a member of Birds of Prey in the comics they're based in a clock tower <3

It's been confirmed to be ending, though because of the show being a "universe" that obviously doesn't necessarily mean "the end" as characters can always show up in other shows, as either recurring guests or regulars (and have already, e.g. most of the original Legends line-up came from Arrow and Flash, and there has been a fair amount of villain crossover too).

Minor spoiler you are correct that Roy goes straight to Arsenal :thumbs:. However... another minor one...

There is ALSO a "Speedy", just not Roy

Slightly bigger spoiler

[spoiler]They have also been flash-forwarding to a whole new Team Arrow 20 years in the future for this season and the previous one, with the descendants of some of the main cast (and a few aged-up series regulars thrown in). If they were to do another Arrow spin-off, I could see it being a backdoor pilot... but I'm not sure they'll want more than 4 DC shows running concurrently, there's only 5 right now because Arrow is getting a half-season (to end with Crisis, clearly).

I have also just found out from checking air dates that the Crisis storyline is actually 5-part not 3-part :omgno:. It's 3 part across Flash, Supergirl and Batwoman in December, then another two-parter with the Legends season premier and Arrow in January. Then it looks like there are two more "untitled" Arrow episodes wrapping up.

[Tom4784]

CW are working on two more shows, a spinoff for Arrow called 'Green Arrow and the Canaries' and a Superman and Lois series.

[Oliver_W]

CW are working on two more shows, a spinoff for Arrow called 'Green Arrow and the Canaries' and a Superman and Lois series.

I heard about the Superman and Lois show, looking forward to that :D I wonder if they're gonna have Jon.
I hadn't heard about the other one though! I wish there'd be a Birds of Prey show, especially if it was like Gail Simone's version. I've seen Canary and Huntress, but has there been a Babs anywhere in the Arrowverse?

[user104658]

CW are working on two more shows, a spinoff for Arrow called 'Green Arrow and the Canaries' and a Superman and Lois series.

Ahh I knew the 2040 stuff felt like a back-door pilot :joker:. I'd guess Mia Smoak gets transported to 2020 when everything hits the fan in Crisis? Actually my new theory, then, is that Oliver Queen doesn't die but somehow swaps places with Mia: She ends up in 2020 as the new Green Arrow, he ends up living out his life in 2040 onwards... thus, missing in action for 20 years.

[user104658]

I heard about the Superman and Lois show, looking forward to that :D I wonder if they're gonna have Jon.
I hadn't heard about the other one though! I wish there'd be a Birds of Prey show, especially if it was like Gail Simone's version. I've seen Canary and Huntress, but has there been a Babs anywhere in the Arrowverse?

There have been multiple Canaries

Sarah Lance, Laurel Lance, Dinah Drake, Laurel Lance 2.0... maybe others I can't remember...

But anything Gotham/Batman related was "off limits" until very recently for licensing reasons I believe. When that expired they had a throwaway line in Arrow where I think Oliver scoffed about "the guy in the bat suit in Gotham", establishing Batman as existing, and now obviously there is a full Gotham in Arrowverse and they've made a point of repeatedly mentioning Gotham in passing having never mentioned it before :joker:.

But up until the 2018 season, Batman stuff including most side characters and villains have been off limits, other than vague references. Superman was also until Supergirl moved over to CW, which is why Supergirl stuff all happens on "Earth-S" not "Earth-1" - they don't meet until Barry figures out using the speedforce to hop between realities. Though I strongly suspect Earth-S and Earth 1 might merge in Crisis :whistle:.

[edit]Earth-S, not Earth-X. Earth-X was the one that was full of nazis :joker:

[Tom4784]

Ahh I knew the 2040 stuff felt like a back-door pilot :joker:. I'd guess Mia Smoak gets transported to 2020 when everything hits the fan in Crisis? Actually my new theory, then, is that Oliver Queen doesn't die but somehow swaps places with Mia: She ends up in 2020 as the new Green Arrow, he ends up living out his life in 2040 onwards... thus, missing in action for 20 years.

Crisis will end up with all the shows that are on different earths and times into one world and timeline, I bet. Supergirl will be on Earth 1 etc so they don't have to faff about with the multiverse anymore unless they need to. Apparently there's been pictures released of Mia during the crossover so I'd assume you're correct. Mia, Dinah and Laurel will probably front the spinoff.

[Oliver_W]

Minor spoiler you are correct that Roy goes straight to Arsenal :thumbs:. However... another minor one...

There is ALSO a "Speedy", just not Roy


OHHH of course! He sometimes calls her that as a nickname, but it didn't click because comics Speedy is Roy :joker: Olly's girl sidekick is usually Red Arrow.


There have been multiple Canaries

Sarah Lance, Laurel Lance, Dinah Drake, Laurel Lance 2.0... maybe others I can't remember...

But anything Gotham/Batman related was "off limits" until very recently for licensing reasons I believe. When that expired they had a throwaway line in Arrow where I think Oliver scoffed about "the guy in the bat suit in Gotham", establishing Batman as existing, and now obviously there is a full Gotham in Arrowverse and they've made a point of repeatedly mentioning Gotham in passing having never mentioned it before :joker:.

But up until the 2018 season, Batman stuff including most side characters and villains have been off limits, other than vague references. Superman was also until Supergirl moved over to CW, which is why Supergirl stuff all happens on "Earth-S" not "Earth-1" - they don't meet until Barry figures out using the speedforce to hop between realities. Though I strongly suspect Earth-S and Earth 1 might merge in Crisis :whistle:.

[edit]Earth-S, not Earth-X. Earth-X was the one that was full of nazis :joker:
I find it interesting how they "mix and match" with the Canaries, as the "main" comics Black Canary is Dinah Lance :joker:
[Quote]she's Olly's long term girlfriend, and becomes a Green Lantern! [/SPOILER]

[Tom4784]

I heard about the Superman and Lois show, looking forward to that :D I wonder if they're gonna have Jon.
I hadn't heard about the other one though! I wish there'd be a Birds of Prey show, especially if it was like Gail Simone's version. I've seen Canary and Huntress, but has there been a Babs anywhere in the Arrowverse?

It sounds like they will, they've said that the show will be focused more on Superman and Lois' home life so I imagine they've taken a lot of inspiration from the rebirth comics in which Clark and Lois are balancing family life with superhero antics.

I don't think they'd do a Birds of Prey show since the film is coming out, they couldn't use Suicide Squad anymore when the first film came out so I'm guessing the Birds are off the table.

[user104658]

OHHH of course! He sometimes calls her that as a nickname, but it didn't click because comics Speedy is Roy :joker: Olly's girl sidekick is usually Red Arrow.



I find it interesting how they "mix and match" with the Canaries, as the "main" comics Black Canary is Dinah Lance :joker:
she's Olly's long term girlfriend, and becomes a Green Lantern!

There is a Dinah Lance in Arrow... Sarah and Laurel's late mother, who had nothing to do with the canaries or any form of crime fighting (other than being married to a cop :laugh: ). They do like to make it complicated.

Also I'm pretty sure neither Sarah nor Laurel have even mentioned in passing that Dinah Drake has the same name as their mum :think:. You'd think it would warrant a "Oh, that was my mothers name" or something.


.... ....... ... ... save Marthaaaaa... etc.

[user104658]

they couldn't use Suicide Squad anymore when the first film came out so I'm guessing the Birds are off the table.

It really says a lot that CW's Deadshot was a better-developed character than Will Smithshot, too.

[user104658]

Ahh I knew the 2040 stuff felt like a back-door pilot :joker:. I'd guess Mia Smoak gets transported to 2020 when everything hits the fan in Crisis? Actually my new theory, then, is that Oliver Queen doesn't die but somehow swaps places with Mia: She ends up in 2020 as the new Green Arrow, he ends up living out his life in 2040 onwards... thus, missing in action for 20 years.

Oh lelz

Just watched the most recent episode and it has indeed ended with Mia & Friendz being zapped back in time to 2019.

[user104658]

So on the actual thread topic... I never watched Supergirl S4 and am trying to catch up but I'm really struggling. The whole immigration/xenophobia metaphor with the literal alien population - whilst it's a noble message they're trying to further - is being handled with the subtlety of a hammer to the teeth and it's just not good telly :umm2:. Also, The Flash has already covered many aspects of the same topic / issues of prejudice etc. with Metahumans but in a way that was much more effectively interwoven with the overall narrative. It sort of IS the entire narrative in what I've seen of S4 Supergirl so far and it's a swing and a miss. I mean, the current villain went from an enlightened and accepting college professor telling off his ol' dad for being racist, to a borderline Nazi, screeching "snowflake!" at an alien student, pretty much over night, because his house burned down during the Daxamite invasion. In the flashback I was expecting to see his wife or kid get killed... or at least his racist ol' dad... but no his family was all unharmed. Yes it would be awful but no one goes from peace'n'love to Human-supremacist because of a house fire! :think:

[Nicky91]

that current villain, played by sam witwer he's now in newest season of riverdale too :wavey:

i quite like his acting

[Tom4784]

So on the actual thread topic... I never watched Supergirl S4 and am trying to catch up but I'm really struggling. The whole immigration/xenophobia metaphor with the literal alien population - whilst it's a noble message they're trying to further - is being handled with the subtlety of a hammer to the teeth and it's just not good telly :umm2:. Also, The Flash has already covered many aspects of the same topic / issues of prejudice etc. with Metahumans but in a way that was much more effectively interwoven with the overall narrative. It sort of IS the entire narrative in what I've seen of S4 Supergirl so far and it's a swing and a miss. I mean, the current villain went from an enlightened and accepting college professor telling off his ol' dad for being racist, to a borderline Nazi, screeching "snowflake!" at an alien student, pretty much over night, because his house burned down during the Daxamite invasion. In the flashback I was expecting to see his wife or kid get killed... or at least his racist ol' dad... but no his family was all unharmed. Yes it would be awful but no one goes from peace'n'love to Human-supremacist because of a house fire! :think:

The first half of season 4 is terrible because it's just got no subtlety to it, as you said, plus it's got some bad messaging to it ('Neutral media is a bad thing!') but it really does come into it's own in the second half, it's kind of the reverse of season 3, the first half of Season 3 was excellent while the second half was a complete filler-y mess.

They calm down with the preaching and get better at telling a story that's meant to echo the US' current situation. The second half of Season 4 is Supergirl at it's best.

[user104658]

that current villain, played by sam witwer he's now in newest season of riverdale too :wavey:

i quite like his acting

Yes, Starkiller/Deacon St. John... he's a decent enough actor, just not sure about the material he's been given here.

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I believe he also played Doomsday in Smallville.

[user104658]

The first half of season 4 is terrible because it's just got no subtlety to it, as you said, plus it's got some bad messaging to it ('Neutral media is a bad thing!') but it really does come into it's own in the second half, it's kind of the reverse of season 3, the first half of Season 3 was excellent while the second half was a complete filler-y mess.

They calm down with the preaching and get better at telling a story that's meant to echo the US' current situation. The second half of Season 4 is Supergirl at it's best.

I'll stick with it 'cause I want to be properly caught up for the Crisis storyline. I think I must actually have stopped watching in early S3 though, because I hadn't seen Brainiac-5 before :think:

[Oliver_W]

Can I ask how y'all watch the shows? do you sail the high seas, or are they on a streaming service I'm unaware of?

(I know most of Arrow is included on Prime)

[Tom4784]

Can I ask how y'all watch the shows? do you sail the high seas, or are they on a streaming service I'm unaware of?

(I know most of Arrow is included on Prime)

Sky airs all the shows that apart from Black Lightning but they tend to do so with quite an eratic schedule. Black Lightning is on Netflix.

[Oliver_W]

Sky airs all the shows that apart from Black Lightning but they tend to do so with quite an eratic schedule. Black Lightning is on Netflix.

oh i don't have Sky :( thanks anyway

[user104658]

They're on Netflix in pretty much every country EXCEPT the UK, because Sky has the airing rights. Such BS. You can actually legitimately(ish?) watch them on Netflix using a VPN though, just set your "location" to the US, etc.

[user104658]

The second half of Season 4 is Supergirl at it's best.

I'm on Episode 16 now and quite enjoying it to be fair. Alan fron Two And A Half Men makes a strangely half-decent Lex Luthor :think:.

[Tom4784]

I'm on Episode 16 now and quite enjoying it to be fair. Alan fron Two And A Half Men makes a strangely half-decent Lex Luthor :think:.

He's a legacy actually, he played a child relative of Lex's in Superman 4 which got widely panned so they brought him back to play Lex as a nod and a chance of redemption. They do quite like nods like that on Supergirl since the actress who plays Kara and Alex's mom played Supergirl in the panned film from the 80's.

[Tom4784]

But yeah, I think the second half is way less heavy handed and it improves tenfold when Lex is introduced.

[user104658]

He's a legacy actually, he played a child relative of Lex's in Superman 4 which got widely panned so they brought him back to play Lex as a nod and a chance of redemption. They do quite like nods like that on Supergirl since the actress who plays Kara and Alex's mom played Supergirl in the panned film from the 80's.

Wasn't the dad Dean Cain? :joker: And Teri Hatcher was Mon-El's mum too.

Nothing can beat Biff Tannen being in Legends, though.

[user104658]

I wonder, is the Kara/Clark disguise supposed to be some sort of... extra power? There's just been a bit where someone was chasing her, turns a corner and there's "Kara" and he's like "Durrr where did Supergirl go?" and it just jumps the shark so hard (as it always has with every iteration of Superman etc.) that my new head-canon is that the Kryptonians actually have an extra power, like the Doctor Who "perception filter", where people literally can't see them as the same person when they're out of the suit unless they already know the identity.

I mean... even Brainy said that "Kara and Supergirl look nothing alike!" when he had temporarily "boxed up" his memory of her identity. It just doesn't make sense... like he would have super-advanced facial recognition tech :think:...

[Nicky91]

the actor who plays Brainy (Jesse Rath) he is a brother of Meaghan Rath (who is currently in the rebooted Hawaii Five-O series)

and Meghan will have a little role on supergirl somewhere too, playing another Brainy like character

[user104658]

Why have they gone with a storyline featuring multiple Green Martians in early S5?? The Green Martian CGI is hilariously bad. It's bad even when it's just an occasional glimpse of Jon, IMO they should stick to mainly keeping him in human form like they did in Smallville (using the red eyes to show when he's "powered up").

[Tom4784]

I wonder, is the Kara/Clark disguise supposed to be some sort of... extra power? There's just been a bit where someone was chasing her, turns a corner and there's "Kara" and he's like "Durrr where did Supergirl go?" and it just jumps the shark so hard (as it always has with every iteration of Superman etc.) that my new head-canon is that the Kryptonians actually have an extra power, like the Doctor Who "perception filter", where people literally can't see them as the same person when they're out of the suit unless they already know the identity.

I mean... even Brainy said that "Kara and Supergirl look nothing alike!" when he had temporarily "boxed up" his memory of her identity. It just doesn't make sense... like he would have super-advanced facial recognition tech :think:...

I believe they've tackled this a few times in the comics, when it comes to Superman, they've explained it by saying that he changes his body language completely when he is Clark and he tends to wear bigger, baggier clothes to make Clark look out of shape. The glasses themselves make his eyes look different too, I believe.

I remember Henry Cavill standing around in front of a Batman Vs Superman billboard in New York while wearing glasses and no one actually recognised him or made the connection between him wearing glasses and the picture of Superman on the billboard.

[Tom4784]

Why have they gone with a storyline featuring multiple Green Martians in early S5?? The Green Martian CGI is hilariously bad. It's bad even when it's just an occasional glimpse of Jon, IMO they should stick to mainly keeping him in human form like they did in Smallville (using the red eyes to show when he's "powered up").

Yeah, they don't really have the budget to make the Martians work, it's less jarring with the less humanoid aliens but the humanoid CGI is atrocious.

[user104658]

I believe they've tackled this a few times in the comics, when it comes to Superman, they've explained it by saying that he changes his body language completely when he is Clark and he tends to wear bigger, baggier clothes to make Clark look out of shape. The glasses themselves make his eyes look different too, I believe.

I remember Henry Cavill standing around in front of a Batman Vs Superman billboard in New York while wearing glasses and no one actually recognised him or made the connection between him wearing glasses and the picture of Superman on the billboard.

True and that effect could even explain the Luthor henchman guy not realising that Kara was Supergirl... but, it sort of falls apart when it's people who have extensive close up contact with BOTH people e.g. Lois Lane not seeing Superman and being like "lol... Clark? :think:", or Lena Luthor here. I mean, if your literal best friend was stood in front of you in pretty much any costume barring a full mask, obviously you would recognise them...

[user104658]

Yeah, they don't really have the budget to make the Martians work, it's less jarring with the less humanoid aliens but the humanoid CGI is atrocious.

It's even OK-ish when they're just stood there, or flying around / fighting... but when they TALK... ... :umm2:

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[user104658]

Hold on. I'm watching episode 3. Now Jon and other martians - in the past, on Mars - are just kicking around in human form :suspect:. This doesn't even make sense.

[Oliver_W]

True and that effect could even explain the Luthor henchman guy not realising that Kara was Supergirl... but, it sort of falls apart when it's people who have extensive close up contact with BOTH people e.g. Lois Lane not seeing Superman and being like "lol... Clark? :think:", or Lena Luthor here. I mean, if your literal best friend was stood in front of you in pretty much any costume barring a full mask, obviously you would recognise them...

In the comics Commissioner Gordon had several conversations with Batgirl, and didn't realise it was his own daughter :joker: But when Dick Grayson was filling in for Bruce, Gordon noticed it was someone else under the cowl?!

That said, I went as Robin for a Halloween party and a friend (who to be fair I only when we're drinking) was like "... you are who I think you are under there, right?" I had an eye mask and slicked back hair.

[user104658]

In the comics Commissioner Gordon had several conversations with Batgirl, and didn't realise it was his own daughter :joker: But when Dick Grayson was filling in for Bruce, Gordon noticed it was someone else under the cowl?!

That said, I went as Robin for a Halloween party and a friend (who to be fair I only when we're drinking) was like "... you are who I think you are under there, right?" I had an eye mask and slicked back hair.

Batman and the other "masked" heroes make more sense because human facial recognition is heavily based on the eyes (hence the "black eye bars" on pictures when someone is being disguised). SOME versions of superman have looked very different in glasses also... but Kara looks so similar as both. Actually, CW Superman is even more of a stretch - he's a really distinctive looking guy, he looks exactly the same as Clark and Superman :joker:

[Oliver_W]

Batman and the other "masked" heroes make more sense because human facial recognition is heavily based on the eyes (hence the "black eye bars" on pictures when someone is being disguised). SOME versions of superman have looked very different in glasses also... but Kara looks so similar as both. Actually, CW Superman is even more of a stretch - he's a really distinctive looking guy, he looks exactly the same as Clark and Superman :joker:

I take your point but the illustrator at the time drew her to be almost "cute", the eyeholes were big and I think you could even see her nose and mouth :joker: it was still a Barman-type cowl, just very stylised.

ANyway, it's a shame Dean Cain isn't one of the Alt-Supermen, Lois and Clarke is great.


Martian Manhunter is the comics leader of the Justice League, are there any rumours we might see a form of that on the Arrowverse?

[user104658]

I take your point but the illustrator at the time drew her to be almost "cute", the eyeholes were big and I think you could even see her nose and mouth :joker: it was still a Barman-type cowl, just very stylised.



ANyway, it's a shame Dean Cain isn't one of the Alt-Supermen, Lois and Clarke is great.





Martian Manhunter is the comics leader of the Justice League, are there any rumours we might see a form of that on the Arrowverse?

I think it would conflict with their movie plans, the CW crossover events are essentially justice-league-light but never actually called that. Superman was in last years crossover, Barry and Kara are interdimensional BFFs etc.

I think Dean Cain would have been a stretch, he's not unfit these days exactly but it would have taken some gym work to get him back in a Superman suit...

[Oliver_W]

I think it would conflict with their movie plans, the CW crossover events are essentially justice-league-light but never actually called that. Superman was in last years crossover, Barry and Kara are interdimensional BFFs etc.



Good point actually - Barry,Kara, and even Green Arrow are in the League. I've not got to Legends yet so don't know offhand how many of them are in it. Assuming Ray's going to become Atom, he's a sometimes-member.

[user104658]

Good point actually - Barry,Kara, and even Green Arrow are in the League. I've not got to Legends yet so don't know offhand how many of them are in it. Assuming Ray's going to become Atom, he's a sometimes-member.There's been Atom, White Canary (I have no idea if she's comic Canon, she's an ex black canary) from Arrow, Firestorm, Captain Cold/Heatwave (reformed villains) from Flash, Kid Flash for a short spell, and some others who are probably in the comics somewhere but I had never heard of... The team has changed up a few times (for the better IMO) actually, though there are three remaining of the original line-up.

Legends missed last year's crossover (there was an in-universe explanation but I think the real reason was CGI budget). They are in this years crossover though.

[Oliver_W]

Ohh I like Kid Flash, he's in the Teen Titans. As far as I know he's never been in the League, but that doesn't matter.

[user104658]

Ohh I like Kid Flash, he's in the Teen Titans. As far as I know he's never been in the League, but that doesn't matter.Tbh I find him a bit of a low budget Flash in The Flash TV show... He never really reaches Barry's ability levels and

as far as I can tell has gone totally AWOL at this point... He left Flash to join the Legends and then left the Legends to go to some sort of zen retreat in the far east. I think he's been in one Flash episode since, I'm sure he mentioned something about going back to the Legends at the end, but that was well over a year ago and he never reappeared in Legends :think:. Guess he's still meditating on a mountain or whatever.

[Oliver_W]

Tbh I find him a bit of a low budget Flash in The Flash TV show... He never really reaches Barry's ability levels and

as far as I can tell has gone totally AWOL at this point... He left Flash to join the Legends and then left the Legends to go to some sort of zen retreat in the far east. I think he's been in one Flash episode since, I'm sure he mentioned something about going back to the Legends at the end, but that was well over a year ago and he never reappeared in Legends :think:. Guess he's still meditating on a mountain or whatever.

That's simulatenously surprising and not surprising :joker: in the comics, and especially the current run of Teen Titans, he's the heart and moral compass for the group. IIRC he was the only one who had a problem when they found out Robin was
completely brainwashing the villains they had beaten, so they were living new lives as civilians
because it was (in his opinion) as bad as what the villains themselves would do, not because of the danger they might pose

[user104658]

Oh for Legends I forgot to mention that Constantine from the short-lived NBC show, that wasn't even part of the CW's DC Universe, was somehow retconned into an episode of Arrow after Constantine was cancelled, and is now one of the main Legends crew :joker:. They didn't even do a "he's from another earth" thing like they do with Supergirl, they just pretend that Constantine was part of the same world all along.

[user104658]

I've just realised that most of Titans S2 has aired (final ep at the end of November). Also this thread should be renamed... the DC telly thread or something...

[user104658]

MESS for "normal telly" UK viewers of the CWDC shows... the 2nd part of Crisis is Batwoman... and it doesn't air in the UK :joker:. So you can watch part 1 and 3 and then part 4 and 5 when they come in January but the only option for episode 2 is "digital download" :hehe:.

[Nicky91]

Crisis in Infinite Earths crossover special (first 2 episodes have aired, one as a showcase one for new series Batwoman btw, i couldn't find it on netflix so had to watch on YouTube instead)

so basically all earths within the multiverse are threatened by a sort of orange planet destroying spiral, but they need a paragon of courage to save them

loads of guest cameo's, smallville's tom welling (clark kent) and erica durance (lois lane) and also from 1966 batman series Burt ward back as Dick Grayson for a slight moment :laugh: :flutter:

introduction of a new batman actor, Kevin Conroy portrayed him (like he voiced batman in animated series and the arkham video games)


Oliver Queen/Green Arrow warning very heavy spoiler heredied but was brought back by John Constantine, now only needs his soul back, oh yeah and he also has a daughter named Mia who is a green Arrow in training

[user104658]

Titans confirmed as a multiverse within the DCTV universe from the Crisis intro? :omgno:

[Nicky91]

Titans confirmed as a multiverse within the DCTV universe from the Crisis intro? :omgno:

yes, this Crisis crossover is definitely up there among best crossover specials :)

they need all the superhero help they can get

even a cameo from John Wesley Shipp as 90's Flash :D

[user104658]

Well the first three arts were marginally all over the place but I still enjoyed it :joker:. An awful lot going on.

Seeing Clark and Lois from Smallville was fun; not sure how I feel about the conclusion to the Smallville story though!

Lex Luthor is president, which was foreshadowed by the show... But also Clark has given up his abilities completely to have kids and live on the farm? :think:... I mean yeah he always hated the responsibility I think so it's not out of character, but it would have worked better if they'd had Smallville's Lex dealt with and locked up - allowing Clark to hang up his cape... But sitting in the Whitehouse? Hmmm.

Overall a fun ride though. Bit of a wait for the conclusion. I am now totally convinced that Supergirl's earth and Earth-1 are going to merge, though.

[Oliver_W]

lol I just realised Supergirl is Marley from Glee <3

[user104658]

lol I just realised Supergirl is Marley from Glee <3

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bd/5b/ba/bd5bbaa03f26581a2fddc68f31c9a2f3.jpg

[user104658]

There's also a Musical Arrowverse crossover where they sing together :umm2:

[Tom4784]

Well the first three arts were marginally all over the place but I still enjoyed it :joker:. An awful lot going on.

Seeing Clark and Lois from Smallville was fun; not sure how I feel about the conclusion to the Smallville story though!

Lex Luthor is president, which was foreshadowed by the show... But also Clark has given up his abilities completely to have kids and live on the farm? :think:... I mean yeah he always hated the responsibility I think so it's not out of character, but it would have worked better if they'd had Smallville's Lex dealt with and locked up - allowing Clark to hang up his cape... But sitting in the Whitehouse? Hmmm.

Overall a fun ride though. Bit of a wait for the conclusion. I am now totally convinced that Supergirl's earth and Earth-1 are going to merge, though.

I like to think that Smallville's Lex Luthor has come full circle by Crisis and he's probably gotten over his issues and has become a decent president. Maybe without Superman around, he mellowed out.

I thought it was a decent end for Smallville, much better than they had in the actual show tbh.

I've got a feeling they might chicken out of doing any major changes to the status quo and revert the multiverse back to how it was (mostly because it gives them narrative power to pretty much bring a version of anyone back at any time which they do like to do) but I do hope they limit the multiverse stuff a bit, they use it as an easy out far too often. I hope they merge Earth-1 with Black Lightning's and Supergirl's just to bring the shows under one universe, keep a few other Earths in place for the sake of Wells and other fun cameos down the line but don't do more than that.

It's been a fun crossover so far, I think they could have introduced Ryan Choi earlier though, there's no reason he couldn't have had his introduction in Flash at some point prior to Crisis as the whole 'Oliver becoming The Spectre' thing seemed to be a bigger deal and it got barely any time in the last episode.

I'm looking forward to the last two episodes, shame we have to wait for them

[user104658]

I like to think that Smallville's Lex Luthor has come full circle by Crisis and he's probably gotten over his issues and has become a decent president. Maybe without Superman around, he mellowed out.

I thought it was a decent end for Smallville, much better than they had in the actual show tbh.

I've got a feeling they might chicken out of doing any major changes to the status quo and revert the multiverse back to how it was (mostly because it gives them narrative power to pretty much bring a version of anyone back at any time which they do like to do) but I do hope they limit the multiverse stuff a bit, they use it as an easy out far too often. I hope they merge Earth-1 with Black Lightning's and Supergirl's just to bring the shows under one universe, keep a few other Earths in place for the sake of Wells and other fun cameos down the line but don't do more than that.

It's been a fun crossover so far, I think they could have introduced Ryan Choi earlier though, there's no reason he couldn't have had his introduction in Flash at some point prior to Crisis as the whole 'Oliver becoming The Spectre' thing seemed to be a bigger deal and it got barely any time in the last episode.

I'm looking forward to the last two episodes, shame we have to wait for them

It's a shame they couldn't get Rosenbaum, I agree it would have been a great end for Smallville-Lex if he had actually "gotten better" and him and Clark had regained mutual respect (if not friendship) and that was all part of Clark's decision to hang up the cape. Their relationship was obviously very different to the "usual" Superman/Luthor dynamic, and through most of the show Lex was generally "good" deep down he just went a bit off the rails... so a different ending would have been fitting. I guess it can just be head-canon? :joker:

Come to think of it, I think the Lena/Kara relationship in SG has clearly been based on the Clark/Lex Smallville relationship, if a little more on-the-nose.
I always thought that if Clark had shown Lex some trust earlier on instead of basically gaslighting the poor guy for 5+ seasons, it might have gone totally differently :think:

[Tom4784]

It's a shame they couldn't get Rosenbaum, I agree it would have been a great end for Smallville-Lex if he had actually "gotten better" and him and Clark had regained mutual respect (if not friendship) and that was all part of Clark's decision to hang up the cape. Their relationship was obviously very different to the "usual" Superman/Luthor dynamic, and through most of the show Lex was generally "good" deep down he just went a bit off the rails... so a different ending would have been fitting. I guess it can just be head-canon? :joker:

Come to think of it, I think the Lena/Kara relationship in SG has clearly been based on the Clark/Lex Smallville relationship, if a little more on-the-nose.
I always thought that if Clark had shown Lex some trust earlier on instead of basically gaslighting the poor guy for 5+ seasons, it might have gone totally differently :think:

I do despise Lena's story in the new season of Supergirl, it's like the good seasons of Smallville without what made Clark and Lex's friendship compelling.

For someone as smart as Lena's meant to be, they're doing a great job of writing her like an idiot. 'I'm not a villain! I just want to brainwash people into living the way I want them to!'

I feel like Lex's dark turn in Smallville made more sense, especially considering he was a dark person to begin with. Lena went from trying to be good to instant supervillain over the course of a season break.

I'm hoping they course correct Lena in the second half of the season. They are trying to force an arc that doesn't really make sense for the character.

[user104658]

I do despise Lena's story in the new season of Supergirl, it's like the good seasons of Smallville without what made Clark and Lex's friendship compelling.

For someone as smart as Lena's meant to be, they're doing a great job of writing her like an idiot. 'I'm not a villain! I just want to brainwash people into living the way I want them to!'

I feel like Lex's dark turn in Smallville made more sense, especially considering he was a dark person to begin with. Lena went from trying to be good to instant supervillain over the course of a season break.

I'm hoping they course correct Lena in the second half of the season. They are trying to force an arc that doesn't really make sense for the character.

Indeed - Lex was always a person with a lot of darkness and loneliness from his upbringing who was trying really hard to be good but eventually "gave in"... Lena has been portrayed as a generally good person who has gone darkside for a really flimsy reason. It's a rubbish arc. They're kind of showing signs of just cancelling it / her "wavering" in Crisis IMO and I hope they do tbh.

Other thoughts: I actually think Ruby Rose's Batwoman has been well used, well acted and a generally pretty decent character in Crisis?? She plays really well alongside Kara. But the solo show is barely watchable. Kind of shows, for me, that the core character and actress are not the problem at all... it's the writing, showrunning and supporting characters. A shame because I'm not sure the show can be saved at this point, the reviews and ratings are abysmal.

[user104658]

Just watched the final two parts, as predicted Supergirl has been merged into Earth 1 (now "Earth Prime"), along with Black Lightning, it seems? Seems like the biggest changes will be for SG with Lex being back and (acting like) a peace prize winning philanthropist...

Not an issue as tbh Lex is one of the best parts of the whole franchise at the moment? Though he was great throughout the crossover :shrug:.

Also, the DCU movies are now confirmed to be in the same multiverse as DCTV? :omgno:. Quite enjoyed the scene with the two Flashes. Definitely not something I expected :think:.

As a final thought, even if they fix the writing of the Batwoman show they NEED to lose the red wig. Whose design choice was that?? It looks awful... Come on costume department... Rly...

[Nicky91]

that virtual reality world, ok ok Alex chose to be supergirl in that

the end of the character Jeremiah Danvers now for good, shame we didn't have a Alex/Jeremiah scene in that virtual reality world somehow, would've loved seeing Dean Cain again in this

Lex basically undercover in Leviathan's plan of trapping people in Virtual Reality


was nice seeing David Harewood again as Hank Henshaw even though in VR


i am enjoying this series a lot now, good team (supergirl, dreamer, alex, j'onn, brainy) and i definitely do not miss Mon'El, or Winn (even though his comeback episode was also nice this season, and a nice goodbye episode to Toyman senior also redemption moment there between father and son

[Oliver_W]

As a final thought, even if they fix the writing of the Batwoman show they NEED to lose the red wig. Whose design choice was that?? It looks awful... Come on costume department... Rly...
Well it's what she looks like in the comics, she's the third along in my sigpic obviously. But changes can be made in adaptation...

To be fair she's the BatFam member I know least about, I don't even know if she wears wigs in the comics. I've only ever seen her when she showed up in others :hehe:

[user104658]

Well it's what she looks like in the comics, she's the third along in my sigpic obviously. But changes can be made in adaptation...



To be fair she's the BatFam member I know least about, I don't even know if she wears wigs in the comics. I've only ever seen her when she showed up in others :hehe:Maaaybe but it's CWverse... It's not like Green Arrow looked like the comics version at the outset. They look more alike these days but that's been a bit of movement both ways; the TV show got a little more "comic booky" after the introduction of Flash/metahumans in general, and he did have the beard by the end, but from what I can see, the comics that have come out since the start of Arrow have also shifted more in line with that version (a bit of a darker look and more "combat armor" like).

So there was definite scope for the show taking a different aesthetic and maybe even influencing the comics in the process.

And to make it especially daft; she has a dark, short androgenous hair style out of costume, but a big, floppy, totally impractical wig in costume??

Its bright red which ruins her stealth (batman wears all black/grey for a reason ffs!) and its loose and grabbable which would make it a significant drawback in a fight!

[Oliver_W]

I'm really looking forward to the Lois and Clarke show. I like the one from the 90s, and in the comics I prefer Supes when he's got Lois and Jon than otherwise.

The Super Sons comics are good too, so I'm glad Jon and Damian have been cast for the show. It seems they're gonna be brothers rather than frenemies, but still, the show is looking promising.

[user104658]

I'm really looking forward to the Lois and Clarke show. I like the one from the 90s, and in the comics I prefer Supes when he's got Lois and Jon than otherwise.

The Super Sons comics are good too, so I'm glad Jon and Damian have been cast for the show. It seems they're gonna be brothers rather than frenemies, but still, the show is looking promising.

Don't get too hyped for now, a lot of CW stuff has ground to a halt with Covid and also, the CWDC stuff tends to shoot in Vancouver, so they're under Canadian lockdown / distancing rules rather than US. Current seasons have been cut short by a few episodes, Supernatural has halted completely to get effectively a final short 8 episode "mini season" when things resume, and as far as I know no word on when filming/production will resume.

[Oliver_W]

Don't get too hyped for now, a lot of CW stuff has ground to a halt with Covid and also, the CWDC stuff tends to shoot in Vancouver, so they're under Canadian lockdown / distancing rules rather than US. Current seasons have been cut short by a few episodes, Supernatural has halted completely to get effectively a final short 8 episode "mini season" when things resume, and as far as I know no word on when filming/production will resume.

Fair point, I hadn't seen their casting until now but it's from February. Luckily in this case the actors aren't actual kids, so they won't noticeably "age out" of the roles before filming resumes. At first I thought they were gonna be Jon and Damian, and I'm glad it's not Damian because
he's the current Robin, and son of Batman+Tahlia, and the grandson of Ra's
but from what I gather, Jordan will basically be "the Damian" to Jon.

[Oliver_W]

So it seems Ruby Rose is stepping down from Batwoman!

escapist magazine .com/v2/batwoman-star-ruby-rose-d eparts-from-the-series-lead-to-be-recast

I hope she wasn't bullied out of the role by trolls, I log into YouTube through my brother's account and his subs are full of people bitching about it ... Though to be fair I've not heard a single good thing about it from anyone :joker:

[user104658]

So it seems Ruby Rose is stepping down from Batwoman!

escapist magazine .com/v2/batwoman-star-ruby-rose-d eparts-from-the-series-lead-to-be-recast

I hope she wasn't bullied out of the role by trolls, I log into YouTube through my brother's account and his subs are full of people bitching about it ... Though to be fair I've not heard a single good thing about it from anyone :joker:It's not Ruby's fault though; I thought she was great in the "Crisis" crossover event, both the acting and the writing. Unfortunately I found Batwoman, the show itself, unwatchable... I mean, there were a couple of seasons in the middle of Arrow where it got really ropey but even then it was better than this :umm2:.

So I would imagine she's just realised that the role is going nowhere and is jumping ship before the axe falls. I don't think recasting is going to help much either, it's the writers and probably the showrunner who need culled.

There's precedent for these shows improving, too, so it's not impossible: the first season of Legends isn't great but these days it's the most consistently fun and well written CWDC show by a mile.

[Tom4784]

The first half of Batwoman was pretty terrible but I'd say it's probably become my favourite Arrow show post crisis. They've done more to flesh out the cast and the weakest part (Alice) became one of the highlights of the show once they actually developed her more.

I'm not too surprised about Ruby Rose leaving though, she sustained an injury that almost left her paralyzed, I reckon she probably wanted out and told them that she wouldn't sue the **** out of them if they ripped up her contract. I thought she was good at the role but I hope whoever takes over is a better actor.

[user104658]

I sort of think, if they're going to continue, they'd be better to do a soft-reboot than a recast and continue? Have Ruby's batwoman actually leave and a whole new character take the title (even if it involves something convoluted like writing in another Wayne cousin). Keep the supporting cast that works, and take it from there.

Recasting the same role with a new actor is (in my opinion) not likely to work well. It doesn't even work in soap operas. Actors bring part of their personality to the role and it fundamentally changes the character.

They even had to essentially write this into Doctor Who lore as part of the process... They established early that regeneration changes aspects of personality and not just physical appearance. Because casting a different actor to play the same character "with a new face" never quite hits home.

[Oliver_W]

Babs Gordon Batgirl is an awesome character, they should make it about a (comics accurate) version of her.

[user104658]

Babs Gordon Batgirl is an awesome character, they should make it about a (comics accurate) version of her.With the setting being "post-batman", they could even make it that she's not a "n00b hero" but actually was Batgirl working alongside Bruce and Robin a few years earlier, and is now returning to Gotham, to take on the "Batwoman" title. They could do "Arrow-esque" flashbacks :flutter:. Though I think there are possibly licensing issues with Batman... They seem to be able to use "out of mask" characters so they could show her interacting with Bruce and some Robins. Maybe even in-costume Robin?

Tbh I don't think it helps that "Batwoman" is actually a bit of a clunky title to begin with though :think:.

[Oliver_W]

It looks like instead of recasting Ruby's role, a whole new person is filling the cape!

I don't know how deliberate this was, but :joker:
Ryan Wilder is a female in her mid-late 20s and the complete opposite of Kate Kane. "She's likable, messy, a little goofy, and untamed," reads the document.
https://ew.com/tv/batwoman-new-character-ryan-wilder-season-2/?utm_content=link&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_entertainmentweek ly&utm_term=B2435908-A521-11EA-B71D-B8AAFCA12A29&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com


With the setting being "post-batman", they could even make it that she's not a "n00b hero" but actually was Batgirl working alongside Bruce and Robin a few years earlier, and is now returning to Gotham, to take on the "Batwoman" title. They could do "Arrow-esque" flashbacks :flutter:. Though I think there are possibly licensing issues with Batman... They seem to be able to use "out of mask" characters so they could show her interacting with Bruce and some Robins. Maybe even in-costume Robin?

To be fair, Babs hasn't really been a n00b in quite a while. Like I know comics have a bit of an "eternal status quo" where their dates of birth and stuff slide along like in the Simpsons, but since the New52 Babs has been making it on her own.

Gail Simone was the best at writing her, I really don't know why she's not hired by tv shows and movies for the DC stuff. Birds of Prey would have been brilliant if she'd written it, her run on those comics (which featured the then-disabled Babs!) was great.

And speaking of the Robins, she has an on-off thing with Dick Grayson, the first Robin and current Nightwing!

Well, I should say recovering-to-be-current Nightwing, but ... details!

[Oliver_W]

https://i.redd.it/c00gw8c4tc351.jpg

The Batwoman we all deserve.

[Nicky91]

not sure yet when season 6 will air

due to both coronavirus, and lead star melissa benoist her pregnancy


my thoughts are now at the moment like Fall 2021, somewhere september/october next year


but no worries for The CW since they still got other shows on their tv schedule anyway

[Nicky91]

and legends of tomorrow season 6 has been delayed until at least spring 2021

https://www.newsweek.com/legends-tomorrow-season-6-release-date-cw-air-date-delay-1508072

[Nicky91]

anyone else been enjoying final season of supergirl so far?


quite like this phantom zone storyline :love:



now next one Prom Night back in time with young kara, young alex, in midvale high school, also a young cat grant

[Nicky91]

am looking forward to new episodes of Supergirl


as well as Zor-El's first moments on Earth, and at work with Kara under his own hidden name Archie, portraying as her uncle

Jason Behr has a fab role here :love: always kinda liked him, very sympathetic man

[Oliver_W]

Ohh Zor El, loved his storylines in the Rebirth comics.

[user104658]

I just want to know why she hasn’t been keeping Superman fight the dozens of “naughty Kryptonians” that have been invading Smallville and Meteopolis :think:. He’s had to rely on Fake Iron Man!

[Oliver_W]

I just want to know why she hasn’t been keeping Superman fight the dozens of “naughty Kryptonians” that have been invading Smallville and Meteopolis :think:. He’s had to rely on Fake Iron Man!

That's no way to talk about my bae Mr Irons!!!

[user104658]

That's no way to talk about my bae Mr Irons!!!

Ah come on it even has the handy AI voice that tracks things and tells him when he's powered-up and stuff :joker:. He does have a rocket-powered hammer thing though, that's quite fun. Iron Man doesn't have one of those.

[Oliver_W]

Ah come on it even has the handy AI voice that tracks things and tells him when he's powered-up and stuff :joker:. He does have a rocket-powered hammer thing though, that's quite fun. Iron Man doesn't have one of those.

Okay tbh I've not seen the show yet :joker: but in the comics I really like Steel. Can't remember if I've said this but if the rumoured "Black Superman" movie is happening, it should be about him rather than a blackwashed Clark Kent.

[Nicky91]

ok i personally love the most recent episode Blindspots, i think it'll face some criticism by those who do not like the BLM stuff, but i personally found it such a lovely episode, main focus onto Kelly Olsen, the new Guardian

and also guest starring David Ramsey as John Diggle, from Arrow who came to national city to assist Kelly in her fight for the Ormwell building/community


Senator Rankin having become a 5th dimensional being because of that blue stuff combined with a experimental drug :laugh3: and everytime when she does a wish she drains everyone else affected with blue stuff, like some sort of leech :laugh2:


Brainy designing the new guardian outfit, with 31st century tech i mean it looks stunning for sure https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/cqhiHLc.WqA8~2eefa/w:auto/h:auto/q:75/https://bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/sgguardian-1.jpg


Lena on her way back to national city after a trip down memory lane in newfoundlane with her irish roots, where she found out she is a descendant of a witch :laugh:

[Nicky91]

am enjoying this season so much


would love if even after this, we get more from Nia Nal/Dreamer i quite like her and i definitely am quite a fan of Nicole Maines her acting


also great scenes from Kate Burton as Nia's mom Isabel (definitely has the acting talent from her dad Richard Burton) small role but a very convincing and impactful one