DC's Legends of Tomorrow (Flash/Arrow spinoff)

[Tom4784]

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Hmm, I think this could be good but at the same time I think they've gone way over the top with the comic book stuff. Robots and Star Wars guns?

[Lostie!]

Finally watched the trailer (I was an episode behind on The Flash and Arrow and wanted to catch up first). I'm really excited for this. :flutter:

[Firewire]

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Looks amazing!

[Lostie!]

Are the upcoming Arrow / Flash crossover episodes leading into this? I assumed so judging from the episode titles.

[Firewire]

Yeah I think so because they introduce Hawkman and Hawkgirl

[Firewire]

The first episode aired on Thursday, anyone watched it? I'm halfway through.

[Lostie!]

Ooh I haven't seen it yet, I'll get it watched sometime soon!

[Firewire]

Just watched it. It's an okay concept but think it'll take time to build momentum. It's very Star Wars-y.

[Tom4784]

Flash and Arrow (and this when it airs) are the only shows I watch at UK pace, I've got a fair few friends who watch them on Sky and I don't like watching ahead of them since I'll have no one to talk to about it.

[Tom4784]

Watched the first two episodes, Sky isn't airing this until March so **** 'em.

I really liked the first two episodes, Rip Hunter's a great character so far and I'm loving a lighter hearted Sarah.

Carter was too hot to die though :sad: They should have killed off Heatwave

[Lostie!]

Just watched the first two episodes. I'd been holding off until I caught up on the episodes of Arrow and The Flash I'd fallen behind on, just in case of possible crossovers. :laugh:

Speaking of, I loved Damien Darhk's cameo in Part 2. :laugh:

Chronos was interesting, I hope we see more of him.

Also, I had no idea a version of Gideon would be in this show so that was a cool surprise!

All in all, I really enjoyed it! :)

[Tom4784]

I think they've said that characters from those shows will appear but there won't be much in the way of crossovers involving their current storylines.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Looking forward to this

Sky need to hurry the **** up and bring Arrow and Flash back as well

[Lostie!]

Anyone else been keeping up with this? I'm still really enjoying it!

The latest episode (at US pace) might have been my favourite yet actually.

I love Gideon and and her constant sprightly tone regardless of the situation (and other ships having similar systems called Gary and Gilbert is a great touch :laugh:).

[Firewire]

Star City 2046 was my favourite

I've been liking it but not as good as Arrow/Flash

[Lostie!]

I'm personally more into this than Arrow atm. Of the 3 shows Arrow currently holds the least amount of interest from me, which is funny since obviously it's the show that started it all. :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Watched the first two episodes, it's good

[Tom4784]

I'm personally more into this than Arrow atm. Of the 3 shows Arrow currently holds the least amount of interest from me, which is funny since obviously it's the show that started it all. :laugh:

I'm watching Arrow and Flash at the UK pace so I'm not up to date but I think Arrow is much stronger this season than Flash, Flash has been floundering a bit, Jay and the Zoom storyline is rather boring and there's nothing that compelling happening at the moment as opposed to Arrow which has an excellent villain and a story that's being built upon each week.

[Firewire]

I agree.

Season 1 of the Flash was better than Arrow 3 but Arrow 4 is better than Flash 2 :joker:

[Lostie!]

Just watched the last episode.

Chronos being Mick all along was a nice twist (one I wish I hadn't accidentally spoiled for myself before watching :laugh:).

I loved seeing Ra's al Ghul again. His story in Arrow wasn't my favourite but I always enjoyed him as a character, just wish he had a better arc to work with. I also liked it for the sake of the different shows really retaining the shared universe vibe (yes it's a show with most of the main cast comprised of characters from Arrow and The Flash but I still really enjoy other characters from those shows popping up :laugh:). Another aspect of it I liked was that, apart from Sara and Ray, none of the others had met Ra's yet so it was cool to see some new character interactions (and Ra's being confused by Firestorm was great :laugh:).

The inclusion of Talia al Ghul was interesting too (a lot of people seemed to assume Nyssa was basically a composite of both of them), I wonder if we'll see an older Talia eventually in one of the shows. I remember during season 2 of Arrow there was a theory going around that Isabel Rochev might have been Talia for some reason. Of course I don't think that's likely anymore but it's ironic that she ended up being killed by Nyssa. :laugh:

Although this does pose the question, back in Arrow season 3 when Nyssa was seeking vengeance for Sara's murder, did Ra's always know she would eventually be resurrected?

One small gripe I have with the show is the sometimes heavy handed references (like Ray mentioning several times how he's been held prisoner at Nanda Parbat before or Sara and Kendra unnecessarily reminding us at the end that they've both died before :laugh:). It's nothing too distracting though, I'm still really enjoying this!

[Tom4784]

Hawkgirl going back to her weekly reminders that she used to be a Barista :bored:

I'm starting to think Vandal has the right idea.

[Lostie!]

:joker::joker:

[Tom4784]

Apparently (not really spoilers since it's been announced by CW but still)

there's going to be a major DC Superhero premiering in the last episode of the season. I think it's going to be a Green Lantern tbh.

[Lostie!]

Apparently (not really spoilers since it's been announced by CW but still)

there's going to be a major DC Superhero premiering in the last episode of the season. I think it's going to be a Green Lantern tbh.

Oh yeah I've heard about that the other day, they've cast Patrick J Adams for the role haven't they?

[Tom4784]

Oh yeah I've heard about that the other day, they've cast Patrick J Adams for the role haven't they?

I think so.

Might be Nightwing, thinking about it or possibly even someone like a grown up Damian Wayne.

[Tom4784]

Outside of Sarah, the writers of Arrow, Flash and LoT really don't know how to write female characters that aren't massive killjoys/damsels in distress.

Kendra's the worst of the bunch. I want HAWKGIRL, not this hateful coffee obsessed cretin.

[Lostie!]

Just watched the penultimate episode ahead of tonight's finale.

The Time Masters ordered the murder of Rip's family?! I knew they were a tad dickish but :o

[Lostie!]

So I just read that Matt Letscher and John Barrowman are gonna be in Season 2 as regulars, and Neal McDonough is gonna appear on a recurring basis, they're having Thawne, Darhk and Merlyn be part of the "Legion of Doom". I'm here for Thawne as I've always loved him on The Flash (and I've wanted us to see more of Letscher as the character), I liked Darhk too (even though I hated Season 4 of Arrow).

I've been bored of Merlyn for a while though. He was great in Season 1 of Arrow but they made him repetitive and irritating when they decided to bring him back beyond that first season arc. Hopefully Merlyn in Legends is an interesting villain again.

Maisie Richardson-Sellers is also gonna be a regular as another version of Vixen (the grandmother of the one who appeared on Arrow). I loved Maisie on The Originals so I'm down for this too.

I still haven't even watched the finale yet :worry: :laugh:

[LukeB]

I've just finished watching this and I have to say I pretty enjoyed it, I did find some episodes boring but it didn't put me off. The characters on this :flutter: I didn't even hate/dislike or find anyone meh which is quite rare for me but If I had to pick a favourite then it has to be Sara. It's nice to see the Prison Break brothers and someone who played superman on this show too. Looking forward to season 2.

[Nicky91]

i'm currently watching this, currently at ep12 of season 1

loving Sara, but also Victor Garber in a great role as Martin Stein (one half of firestorm)


episode 11 of season 1 is one to watch, for even the non-fans of superheroes, in the wild west :love: love that western and superhero bit crossover

[user104658]

Ahh I still like Legends, it's totally embraced being daft and over-the-top at some point in the way that they other DC shows don't, and just goes with it now. It's usually a fun watch :thumbs:

When a Unicorn, which actually turn out to be brutal murderous things that like stabbing people through the heart with their horn, bit off Gary's nipple before Constantine sent it to hell, and then later he got his nipple back from hell but it was now a demonic nipple (from being in hell) and possessed him :flutter:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/87abaed1d48b5eb09c90940aff1c4c23/tumblr_ppcd7eblED1txtd85o1_500.gif

[Nicky91]

anyone else still following this


season 6 is current season, to sum it up quickly, this time its all about aliens


current legends are


Ava Sharpe
Mick Rory
Zari Tarazi (yes Tarazi now in current timeline, and Zari Tomaz in the air totem)
Behrad Tarazi
Esperanza ''Spooner'' Cruz
Nate Heywood
Astra Logue
John Constantine

currently MIA, but alive Sara Lance (on a alien planet, with Gary whom is revealed to be an alien all along)




so far, we've had a younger david bowie, John F Kennedy/Fidel Castro historical characters, we even went to animated scene thx to Astra with a deluded magician who was trapped in a painting, played by Matt Lucas


we had music feature of The Buzzcocks ''ever fallen in love with someone''




all in all, this is still good fun to watch, but very comical


the new Zari, lets say she was a real stereotype of a spoiled rich social media influencer/businesswoman/self made woman at first, but becomes more and more likeable, and now we got the whole Zari/John romance, he also makes her become a better person

[user104658]

Legends is fun; definitely to be taken tongue-in-cheek. They even break the 4th wall occasionally; e.g. one of them telling the new crewmate "this is last year's season finale" when they travel back to try to stop Sarah being abducted (and Nate saying something like "season finales are great, except that one where I died...").

It's always a good light-hearted watch though.

[user104658]

Outside of Sarah, the writers of Arrow, Flash and LoT really don't know how to write female characters that aren't massive killjoys/damsels in distress.

Kendra's the worst of the bunch. I want HAWKGIRL, not this hateful coffee obsessed cretin.

Thought this was an interesting one as a ye olde post from 2016 - I definitely agree that this was the case at the time, but the female characters in Legends are consistently pretty great these days, for several seasons.

They're still not great in Flash though. I wonder if the writing teams diverged significantly? Although that said, a LOT of the characters in The Flash are pretty annoying.

[user104658]

On the topic of the DC shows - the new Superman is also actually surprisingly decent. I think bolstered by the fact that it seems to have a (much??) higher effects budget than most of the CW-DC shows? They're consistently movie-quality. Even the teen characters aren't too annoying. I mean... a little bit. But not that much and the focus is on them less than I initially thought it was going to be, it does mainly stick with the title and focus on Superman and Lois.

It seemed totally unrelated to the other shows at one point though, to the point where I thought it might actually be, but the most recent ep FINALLY confirmed it's still in the same universe with a John Diggle/Argus appearance (and Oliver Queen name drop). Still no Kara though :think:. Perhaps not surprising as I think she's recently had a baby (in real life).

[Oliver_W]

On the topic of the DC shows - the new Superman is also actually surprisingly decent. I think bolstered by the fact that it seems to have a (much??) higher effects budget than most of the CW-DC shows? They're consistently movie-quality. Even the teen characters aren't too annoying. I mean... a little bit. But not that much and the focus is on them less than I initially thought it was going to be, it does mainly stick with the title and focus on Superman and Lois.

It seemed totally unrelated to the other shows at one point though, to the point where I thought it might actually be, but the most recent ep FINALLY confirmed it's still in the same universe with a John Diggle/Argus appearance (and Oliver Queen name drop). Still no Kara though :think:. Perhaps not surprising as I think she's recently had a baby (in real life).
I've not seen it yet but it's the only DC show in aaaages where I've not actually heard anyone have anything bad to say about it. I was a bit salty at first because I thought it might include the Super Sons as they are in the comics, but they were ten (Jon) and thirteen (Damian), now seventeen (Jon) and fourteen (Damian) (don't ask) so that was never likely for a CW show.

I like that Steel is in the show, he's been fairly overlooked these days. If the rumoured "Black Superman" film comes to pass, Irons would be a good candidate for the lead role instead of blackwashing Clark Kent. There are a few black Supermen in DC canon, he's probably the best choice.

edit - has Bart Allen been in Flash yet? I like that he and Tim Drake are finally getting the live action treatment.

[user104658]

I've not seen it yet but it's the only DC show in aaaages where I've not actually heard anyone have anything bad to say about it. I was a bit salty at first because I thought it might include the Super Sons as they are in the comics, but they were ten (Jon) and thirteen (Damian), now seventeen (Jon) and fourteen (Damian) (don't ask) so that was never likely for a CW show.

I like that Steel is in the show, he's been fairly overlooked these days. If the rumoured "Black Superman" film comes to pass, Irons would be a good candidate for the lead role instead of blackwashing Clark Kent. There are a few black Supermen in DC canon, he's probably the best choice.

edit - has Bart Allen been in Flash yet? I like that he and Tim Drake are finally getting the live action treatment.

Not going to lie, Jordan

The only one of the two brothers that's developing powers BUT THERE'S A TWIST he's always been the less confident/outgoing of the two... of course...

is slightly irritating at times but he's not too bad. It's otherwise been good and one of the few shows I actually watch on release day rather than letting it stack up until I can be bothered.


As for Bart Allen... I don't THINK he's been in it but there have been so many speedsters :umm2:. I think the only iterations of THE "actual" Flash have been Barry Allen and Jay Garrick. Obviously there's been Wally West as well but only ever under the title Kid Flash, he's never been a full red-suited Flash.


[edit] In a bizarre twist I was literally watching the second-to-most recent episode and he's only gone and just turned up :joker:.

Not true to the comics version though I don't think. This version is Barry's son from the future, and twin brother of Nora West-Allen/"XS" who first appeared a couple of seasons back and is I think Barry's granddaughter in comics?

[Oliver_W]

Not true to the comics version though I don't think. This version is Barry's son from the future, and twin brother of Nora West-Allen/"XS" who first appeared a couple of seasons back and is I think Barry's granddaughter in comics?

Comics!Bart is Barry's grandson from the future. Both of their fully names are Bartholomew!

As for XS, she's Bart's cousin in the comics rather than sister. As far as I know, no version of XS has been called Nora, she's usually (always?) Jenny. Both she and Bart are the kids of Tornado Twins, Barry and Iris' kids. But I guess they're the Tornado Twins in the Arrowverse!
I've not really "seen" much of XS, as she's in the Legion, which I don't really care about :joker:

but I think characterisation is more important than familial relations - is Bart a bit annoying, cringey, huggy, but well-read with an eidetic memory?

[user104658]

I dunno what he’s like he literally just turned up at the end of that episode, in an odd coincidence. He didn’t exist before, it was just XS who appeared from the future previously, but obviously someone dun ****ed with the timeline (again) because she turned up after being gone (back in the future…) for ages but with a brother this time.

I’d never heard of the Tornado Twins but yes it definitely sounds like they’ve streamlined those characters into two for telly purposes.

They’re also (quite overtly) hinting that John Diggle from Arrow will soon be becoming Green Lantern. Dunno if it’s getting a show or if he’ll just feature in guest stints across all the shows - he’s recently been in Flash and also Superman, and apparently Batwoman, but I don’t watch that. It was so bad when it started… I dunno if it improved but I’d have to be really lacking in things to watch to give it another shot.

[Nicky91]

Bishop being back

love the tribute to silence of the lambs in that one episode

and also beast slayers bit like jumanji :laugh: cluedo vibes all over with that boardgame

[Nicky91]

start of season 7

remains so hilarious :clap1:


so the legends are stuck in 1925 after a second waverider destroyed their waverider out of nothing

Nate accidentally killing J Edgar Hoover and Gary having to eat Hoover afterwards to get rid of the body :hehe:

one funny scene afterwards in the train when looking for who dislikes Hoover

one passenger to Gary: he gives you a weird uncomfortable aftertaste, Gary: tell me about it

:laugh3:

so they see another Hoover, but that one is a robot, sort of parody to Terminator and he self destructs when they had defeated him to protect Al Capone


so now the legends are on their way to a Dr Gwyn Davies for a time travel project happening in new york that year, Astra, Spooner and a human Gideon need to go there and prevent the rest getting killed

[Nicky91]

finished with season 7 now


was quite enjoyable



''human'' Gideon vs ''Evil AI'' Gideon :laugh:

quite a nice running gag how no one recognizes Gwyn how he resembles Constantine (since it is same actor) :fan:

still remains funny how there are two Zari's now (Zari Tarazi and Zari Tomaz but in the air totem, in the end Nate goes to live with his Zari Tomaz in that air totem)


cliffhanger ending again, the legends are heading to jail by some sort of time police, and also a new character Booster Gold/Mike whom is also escorted off to jail alongside them


the robot legends :laugh3: good one to trick robot Nate into becoming the next protector for WW1 fixed point :laugh3:


the scenes with Gary remain hilarious, also LOL at him having a relationship now with human Gideon :laugh3:

and Astra/Behrad being a thing


Sara/Ava wanting children and Sara is pregnant very easily because of a alien thing, if both think about children ur pregnant, and now she is no longer immortal and doesn't have healing powers while being pregnant


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