Ratings crisis

[mrmattybeck1]

Will the show be pulled very worrying

[Jarrod]

No, last summer's ratings are pretty much the same as this years. There is no "rating crisis".

[Beetlejuice]

Fans of the show last year said two things...

1. It needs the live feed
2. It needs to stop relying so heavily on desperate twists

What do we get this year?

1. No live feed
2. Even more twists

A business would go bankrupt acting like that. And a political party would end up worse off than the Lib Dems

[Will.]

theres defo no rating crisis, Friday got 350k higher than the first eviction of BB15 and that wasn't even an eviction, just a live show. Thursday did well, got a really high share. The only rating thats disappointing is launch, tonight should do well.

[mrmattybeck1]

No, last summer's ratings are pretty much the same as this years. There is no "rating crisis".
Sorry its all these different websites saying this don't know what to believe

[Firewire]

Very misleading title

[Gusto Brunt]

Very misleading title

i wood agree

[bots]

There will only be a ratings crisis if it gets fewer viewers than alternative C5 programs, that are created for less money.

Taking the Australian BB as a model, it did suffer something of a crisis, it was moved to something like 3 nights a week rather than 7, so there are plenty of options available before a show finally gets pulled.

[Jason.]

TBH, Big Brother has been renewed till 2018, so in a way ratings don't matter.

It's not going to be axed anytime soon, and Civilian Big Brother will never get over 2.1m. If they produce an amazing series, they can hit the 2m/2.1m mark, like how BB14 almost did.

But I can't see that happening. I think as long as the series averages at least 1.6m, then it's fine. If they start to average 1.3m, then we should be worried.

BB gets Channel 5 high ratings, and CBB gets Channel 5 even more higher ratings, at over 3m.
It's doing fine.

Plus, many of the BB15 highlights rated less than a million in overnights, but once the officials came in, they increased to about 1.3m.

The BB16 launch rated terribly though. Sallie's eviction rating higher than the BB16 launch is worrying. But there was hardly promo for this year.

[MB.]

Combined with the fact that TV ratings are generally low across the board at the moment, nobody's knows that BB's on and by the time they do, it'll be too late for them to care. Whoever thought people would tune in at 9.20 on a Saturday (in the middle of May of all months) really needs to think again.

I just hope the officials and overall shares give a better picture for those whining about how bad the ratings appear to be (see: the Daily Star)

[Firewire]

Besides, it was up against Casualty which generally gets 5.5m each week. I think overalls will make it increase.

[uniquedude]

People are comparing the first live show this year to last year yet this years was the third day not the seventh day so of course the ratings are going to be higher.

I hope the ratings don't go below 1.5 but I can't see them staying that high.

[RichardG]

Every year people say the ratings are terrible and it will probably be the last ever civilian series, yet each year it makes a return. Until the current contract runs out (2018?) I really don't think there's anything to worry about.

[Northern Monkey]

They won't axe it before trying various different strategies to give it life again.I'd say the first signs they are actually worrying about the ratings would be some drastic changes to the format and even then i reckon axing would'nt be the next step.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

People are comparing the first live show this year to last year yet this years was the third day not the seventh day so of course the ratings are going to be higher.

I hope the ratings don't go below 1.5 but I can't see them staying that high.

OP stop being negative and Uniquedude every highlight show has been around 1.1/1.3 since launch so all below 1.5.

Last night got 650k without +1 850K with i believe.

[LukeB]

What have the ratings been like? I have not paid attention to them

[Jason.]

What have the ratings been like? I have not paid attention to them

Really low, I think.

[vesavius]

The show's rating have been badly damaged by last year's farce, a lot of loyal fans were alienated by the whole thing, but a a good week or two could see it recover. No need to panic yet.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

What have the ratings been like? I have not paid attention to them

Go check the ratings thread its stickyd to the top of the forum.

[waterhog]

i am watching and love it.

[Will.]

i am watching and love it.

:worship: same! Loving this series! best Channel 5 series so far with BB14

[waterhog]

willbrick - me and you are both thieves thick.

[Pete.]

But the show has been renewed until 2018

[Will.]

willbrick - me and you are both thieves thick.

definitely

[Jamesy]

It will be a "ratings crisis" when Big Brother gets moved to the 11pm slot. Even Ben Frow said himself they will keep Big Brother for the foreseeable future, even if they have to move it to 11pm every night. I think they would only move it that late when Channel 5 believe the ratings are a cause for concern.

The ratings have been lower so far, although not so low that it's a cause for concern, at the moment there is no cause for concern. The only terrible rating so far has been last nights show.

When it gets to below 1 million every night of the week is the time I think we should start worrying about the future of civilian Big Brother.

[mrmattybeck1]

It will be a "ratings crisis" when Big Brother gets moved to the 11pm slot. Even Ben Frow said himself they will keep Big Brother for the foreseeable future, even if they have to move it to 11pm every night. I think they would only move it that late when Channel 5 believe the ratings are a cause for concern.

The ratings have been lower so far, although not so low that it's a cause for concern, at the moment there is no cause for concern. The only terrible rating so far has been last nights show.

When it gets to below 1 million every night of the week is the time I think we should start worrying about the future of civilian Big Brother.
Its annoying through as I'm really enjoying it so far most seem to be enjoying it also

[mrmattybeck1]

Its annoying through as I'm really enjoying it so far bar one poster most seem to be enjoying it also
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[Will.]

the only bad ratings we've had are days its always low (apart from launch) -

First high light show (people think its a repeat)
Saturday - always low

[mrmattybeck1]

How do you block ppl anyone know

[Jamesy]

Its annoying through as I'm really enjoying it so far most seem to be enjoying it also

Yeah I'm really enjoying it too. It's quite frustrating the figures aren't higher. This cast deserves figures like BB14

[Pete.]

How do you block ppl anyone know
User CP > Edit ignore list

[crazycolaist]

Personally I do think big brother does need a big break. Not because of the ratings but because reality tv has been drained recent years & the space between c4-c5 wasnt long enough to say it had a break. Celebrity Big Brother is still a gold mine of its own but I wouldnt mind not seeing Big Brother till atleast next election. They also need to really relocate. The stage & the actual 'house' isnt large enough to have decent tasks. Look at BB Canada for an example. The launch twist we could never do that cause house aint big enough. Channel5 will always be BB's new home though & wouldn't want that or the presenters to change.

[mrmattybeck1]

Personally I do think big brother does need a big break. Not because of the ratings but because reality tv has been drained recent years & the space between c4-c5 wasnt long enough to say it had a break. Celebrity Big Brother is still a gold mine of its own but I wouldnt mind not seeing Big Brother till atleast next election. They also need to really relocate. The stage & the actual 'house' isnt large enough to have decent tasks. Look at BB Canada for an example. The launch twist we could never do that cause house aint big enough. Channel5 will always be BB's new home though & wouldn't want that or the presenters to change.
Maybe after 2018 as that when the current contract runs I agree but I would miss it too much

[crazycolaist]

Maybe after 2018 as that when the current contract runs I agree but I would miss it too much

that's kinda sad if the are expecting 3 normal BB's to be good. Something will need to change indefiently,

[uniquedude]

OP stop being negative and Uniquedude every highlight show has been around 1.1/1.3 since launch so all below 1.5.

Last night got 650k without +1 850K with i believe.

I know but they might go up in the next two months, I'm remaining hopeful.

[Blog Rider]

Its annoying through as I'm really enjoying it so far most seem to be enjoying it also

Well Big Brother may need hour and half on a Sunday instead of a Saturday show.

[RyanxAvicii]

Next Saturday has no hope for more than 0.6m... Its up against BGT and Eurovision... This is why it was moved to June in the first place it's illogical to have it in May, plus this series is very boring so far..

[MrMinaj]

Fans of the show last year said two things...

1. It needs the live feed
2. It needs to stop relying so heavily on desperate twists

What do we get this year?

1. No live feed
2. Even more twists

A business would go bankrupt acting like that. And a political party would end up worse off than the Lib Dems

they even yet again had a survey asking viewers opinions, and the net was awash with the same sort of stuff with people saying the same things. and they clearly have yet again not paid a blind bit of attention !

[Denver]

It will cost more to axe the show now then to air it

[ruiphillips]

After last years vile series and this boring one, now wonder they've dropped.

[Pete.]

they even yet again had a survey asking viewers opinions, and the net was awash with the same sort of stuff with people saying the same things. and they clearly have yet again not paid a blind bit of attention !
That's because they don't care

[waterhog]

i love bb and i am so bored of all other shows - i wish everyone would give it a break.

i mean i don't write a poem on why i don't watch BGT or Jeremy vile every day do i ?

[newsbb]

people need to chill, it has been renewed until 2018 and its doing fine.

[854]

Civilian bb:Yes this is obviously the last season.

Celeb bb: Hell no, that isn't going anywhere. If they run out of celebs, which they won't, because everyone in my generation including myself, wants to be in the entertainment business or an attention ***** of some sort, they can just use past hm or do twists to where they put fake celebrities.

[RichardG]

I really really could not see the introduction of live feed making a significant difference to the overall ratings at all.

[mrmattybeck1]

I think once the current contract for bbuk ends in 2018 it will be rested cbb is fine

[Denver]

I really really could not see the introduction of live feed making a significant difference to the overall ratings at all.

People are crying for live feed but where will they have the time to watch it?

[Beetlejuice]

I really really could not see the introduction of live feed making a significant difference to the overall ratings at all.

At this point you're probably right. There are many things wrong with the show and the live feed will not solve that, but it will at least show that they have started to listen to the fans again.

One of the big problems imo is that they have stuck their fingers in their ears and turned a blind eye to the complaints year after year after year. Any business that responds like that will go bankrupt. I'm afraid the people making the decisions have just got their heads so far shoved up their backsides they refuse to concede the mistakes they've made at all. To give in now, from their point of view, would make them look even dumber after all these years.

[mrmattybeck1]

At this point you're probably right. There are many things wrong with the show and the live feed will not solve that, but it will at least show that they have started to listen to the fans again.

One of the big problems imo is that they have stuck their fingers in their ears and turned a blind eye to the complaints year after year after year. Any business that responds like that will go bankrupt. I'm afraid the people making the decisions have just got their heads so far shoved up their backsides they refuse to concede the mistakes they've made at all. To give in now, from their point of view, would make them look even dumber after all these years.
When bbuk was on c4 most the time they listened to the fans c5 just ignore us completely

[sampvt]

There is nothing wrong with BB. The big problem is with the constant interference from the prods. Pick the HM's, stick them in, give them grief with well thought out tasks and let them develop the storylines themselves. The numbers will come back as long as people know they are not being used as idiots to support an ever failing experiment.

[Beetlejuice]

When bbuk was on c4 most the time they listened to the fans c5 just ignore us completely

I don't think they needed to listen to the fans because they had a basic format that worked which they usually stuck to. When they didn't things went awry. The second half of Big Brother 7 with the secret house, pointless new housemates, the eviction and then re-entry of Nikki was an example of the producers messing with a series that was doing brilliantly until then.

[Beetlejuice]

There is nothing wrong with BB.


Well, there is. The one thing they've had constant complaints about for 4 years and which many felt was the heart and soul of the show.

The big problem is with the constant interference from the prods. Pick the HM's, stick them in, give them grief with well thought out tasks and let them develop the storylines themselves. The numbers will come back as long as people know they are not being used as idiots to support an ever failing experiment.

Everything has to be more immediate today. Learning what happened 24 hours after it took place is, these days, too long. In a world of social media and 24/7 twitter activity the live feed would have slotted in perfectly. But no, they take a fast moving show that was exciting and they slow it down to a laborious slodge.

[chuff me dizzy]

Has anyone seen nominations result ?

[*mazedsalv**]

To those who said CH4 listened to the fans, that's bull.

Did they? Nope. Remember the biggest nail in the coffin. A quad eviction to evict vote. They meddled with noms/twists too. They put Nikki back in and didn't care about the backlash. They did their fair share of wrong doings too.

[aman201]

It's so disappointing though.

BB13 and BB14 were so good.

[Rhyl Cream]

It is dreck hence low ratings.

[M X]

Every year people say the ratings are terrible and it will probably be the last ever civilian series, yet each year it makes a return. Until the current contract runs out (2018?) I really don't think there's anything to worry about.

This.

[Denver]

It is dreck hence low ratings.

So why you watching it?

[Beetlejuice]

To those who said CH4 listened to the fans, that's bull.

Agreed. Though they did listen in regards to bringing back the live feed in some form for BB11

Did they? Nope. Remember the biggest nail in the coffin. A quad eviction to evict vote.

That really did seem like a final up yours to the viewers imo. Phil Edgar Jones, the producer, was posting on Digital Spy during that series but stopped because he became so infuriated with the constant complaints.


They meddled with noms/twists too. They put Nikki back in and didn't care about the backlash. They did their fair share of wrong doings too.

I trace the beginning of the decline a bit further back. The house next door was totally unnecessary during that series, which was doing extremely well with the characters they had until that twist. Jayne being punished by putting everyone but her up, ensuring Nikki would be evicted (people forget all of this in regards to Nikki) and them losing their most talked about HM that year. The ratings declined, they stupidly did what they had done previously with Jon Tickle only this time allowed that person the chance to win. And then the real killer, their completely inept response to Jade Goody and her familly and cronies during the following CBB. It went from bad to worse after that when they decided it would be a good idea to start BB8 with no men, and not put all of them in until week 3, by which point people had already given up. BB never recovered on Channel 4, and the hope was that Channel 5 would allow it to. They got people's hopes up with the talk of the return of the red button live service and then failed to deliver and have continued to do so ever since.

It's been a shockingly badly produced show since Big Brother 7 with a couple of exceptions (Celebrity series and maybe BB9 and BB14), truth be known. And the ratings reflect that.

[Rhyl Cream]

So why you watching it?

I haven't watched it since launch night.

[Denver]

I haven't watched it since launch night.

Well with all due respect why are you commenting on it when you have seen non of it it just doesnt make sense imo

[Rhyl Cream]

Well with all due respect why are you commenting on it when you have seen non of it it just doesnt make sense imo

Surely it speaks volumes that not only are the ratings pancaking but fans are switching off in droves too?

[Jarrod]

Surely it speaks volumes that not only are the ratings pancaking but fans are switching off in droves too?

They aren't though. Big Brother's ratings share is on par or is more than last year. All TV ratings are down.

[Ross.]

They aren't though. Big Brother's ratings share is on par or is more than last year. All TV ratings are down.

This is what most people fail to see, all of the television ratings are lower nowadays with exceptions for BGT etc. The share is more important now and it's holding steady so I don't see a problem.

[sampvt]

Ratings are massaged and bear no resemblance to the real issues. BB has a target audience and they are drifting away, that's a fact.

[Jarrod]

Ratings are massaged and bear no resemblance to the real issues. BB has a target audience and they are drifting away, that's a fact.

Not really, when you fail to see the share is higher.

[billy123]

Not really, when you fail to see the share is higher.The Audience share doesnt matter a jot when it comes to advertising revenue that the show lives or dies by. Raw numbers are what decides how much an advertising slot is worth.

[mrmattybeck1]

The crisis seems to be fully there still

[Jason.]

To those who said CH4 listened to the fans, that's bull.

Did they? Nope. Remember the biggest nail in the coffin. A quad eviction to evict vote. They meddled with noms/twists too. They put Nikki back in and didn't care about the backlash. They did their fair share of wrong doings too.

This.

What about them getting rid of live feed, in CBB6/BB10?

[Pete.]

Channel 5 are dishing out the promo ads every ad break lmao

[Rhyl Cream]

"He's dead Jim".

[jaxie]

I don't get why some bang on about live feed so obsessively. What are they going to do watch it 24/7? Nothing better to do with their time?

[crazycolaist]

Ratings are massaged and bear no resemblance to the real issues. BB has a target audience and they are drifting away, that's a fact.

Also people's TV habits are changing & I dont think the future has much time for reality tv.

[crazycolaist]

I don't get why some bang on about live feed so obsessively. What are they going to do watch it 24/7? Nothing better to do with their time?


It's not that. Its more about credibility about the whole program & situations. I mean imagine if we saw Gina vs Sallie, Or that woman beater & hazel the slapped unedited if we had 24/7 livefeed? Would go all over youtube & voice would spread more

[Beetlejuice]

This.

What about them getting rid of live feed, in CBB6/BB10?

There was still more live coverage during those years than we get with Channel 5. And at least they did listen to the fans and bring it back for BB11 in some form.

[Beetlejuice]

I don't get why some bang on about live feed so obsessively. What are they going to do watch it 24/7? Nothing better to do with their time?

It was perfect for some of us night owls and others used to have it on like they would the radio throughout the day, with lots of people discussing it on forums. The idea is the viewers feel closer to the housemates as a result and care more about them. The more they care the more they talk about it, vote on it and continue to watch it. Channel 5 have built up a brick wall between the viewers and the show.

The live feed was also perfect for this new age of 24/7 social networking we live in. Everything needs to be faster paced/more immediate. That's what you got with the live coverage. Now you don't know what's going on until 24 hrs later (the face to face nominations for example)

[aman201]

It was good as a school kid during the school holidays, where I'd be up late and could usually catch Victor and Jason up late chatting, or Maxwell and Anthony.

But now as a grown adult, I wouldn't care for live at all.

[mrmattybeck1]

Oh dear under 1m last night

[ruiphillips]

The titanic is sinking

[Beetlejuice]

It was good as a school kid during the school holidays, where I'd be up late and could usually catch Victor and Jason up late chatting, or Maxwell and Anthony.

But now as a grown adult, I wouldn't care for live at all.

One only need look at the people on Digital Spy to know it is mostly older people who would watch it throughout the day and at night. But many young people would put it on as well

[Blog Rider]

One only need look at the people on Digital Spy to know it is mostly older people who would watch it throughout the day and at night. But many young people would put it on as well

That is the thing, I would put it on between the stuff I do normally. Sometimes even don't have time to watch the nightly highlight show but that won't matter if there was feed :)

[mrmattybeck1]

Tonight could be make or break for a series that's in a major ratings crisis

[mrmattybeck1]

So ratings around the 1-1.2m mark not great but still above channel 5s other programmes