View Full Version : The way they don't explain the nomination results is hilarious
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 09:38 PM
Last week Jade and Joel got 3 nominations. Neither faced eviction.
This week Cristian and Nick got 2 nominations and are now facing the vote along with people who got 3 or more.
They wonder why viewers are left confused and fed up with them
Kate!
25-05-2015, 09:40 PM
It's laughable.
Withano
25-05-2015, 09:41 PM
So annoying, makes no sense
Ashley.
25-05-2015, 09:48 PM
It's a stupid way to keep their favourites in the house. Bring back head-to-head evictions.
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 09:51 PM
It's a stupid way to keep their favourites in the house. Bring back head-to-head evictions.
I don't mind how they do it. But to go from one rule to another each week depending on what suits you is so manipulative and unfair it's laughable :shocked:
Calderyon
25-05-2015, 09:55 PM
Only thing they have to say is: The people with the most nominations will be put up for eviction, but not say how many.
As BB can change rules anytime and anyway.
Which is dumb and idiotic. Which we have experience on.
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 09:57 PM
Only thing they have to say is: The people with the most nominations will be put up for eviction, but not say how many.
As BB can change rules anytime and anyway.
Which is dumb and idiotic. Which we have experience on.
It's just bollocks.
Adamw92
25-05-2015, 09:57 PM
If whatever the twist is requires at least 6 housemates to face eviction then maybe thats why so many are up this week?? They could have explained it that way if it is but we'll just have to wait and see.
Kate!
25-05-2015, 09:59 PM
Will Jack get to give an immunity again I wonder.
Ashley.
25-05-2015, 10:00 PM
If whatever the twist is requires at least 6 housemates to face eviction then maybe thats why so many are up this week?? They could have explained it that way if it is but we'll just have to wait and see.
Ugh it's probably Jack choosing three housemates to save instead of one.
"Jack. We have changed the rules so that you can now split your immunity passes between more than one housemate. Before you exercise this power, how did you feel when Jade gave you a luxury shopping budget?"
Babayaro.
25-05-2015, 10:05 PM
It's a joke tbh.
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 10:09 PM
If whatever the twist is requires at least 6 housemates to face eviction then maybe thats why so many are up this week?? They could have explained it that way if it is but we'll just have to wait and see.
Possibly. But this isn't the first time they've done this. The first time I can recall is when Jackie Travers was up for eviction even though she shouldn't have been. She then got evicted.
Most people didn't say a word on DS (who usually complain about these things) because nobody liked her
JoshBB
25-05-2015, 10:09 PM
They really need to pick one rule and stick with it. I suggest:
The 2 housemates with most noms going up (along with ties), or
The 3 housemates with most noms going up (along with ties also).
Having tons of HMs up is ridiculous imo
Calderyon
25-05-2015, 10:10 PM
It's just bollocks.
It is. And blatant manipulation. And unfortunately i know where they have got the idea from.
Adding that a cheap way to make more money, since more people up -> more votes to evict -> more money.
As well as the 'Big brother can change the rules at any time' there is also...
'The minimum number of people available for eviction each week may be changed without notice'
I always find it hilarious how irate people get over things like this when it's been the same for years.
If this next twist was preplanned then there may need to be a certain amount up for it to work.
Jamesy
25-05-2015, 10:23 PM
Looking at social media a lot of people are confused why so many are up.
Would be nice if a rule was stuck by.
As Josy says, people are making up rules that don't exist on the BB site. At a minimum this thread is a little premature as we haven't yet heard the details of the twist, they will be shared tomorrow at which time it may all become clear.
BB manipulate, thats how it is, thats how its always been, I think people have short memories
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 10:34 PM
As well as the 'Big brother can change the rules at any time' there is also...
'The minimum number of people available for eviction each week may be changed without notice'
I always find it hilarious how irate people get over things like this when it's been the same for years.
No. It has not. There was a format that they very rarely strayed away from.
You can't watch things happen and then decide after the event what the rules are. That is blatant manipulation that just gives them a green card for even more manipulation than there usually is.
Absorption
25-05-2015, 10:34 PM
The 'BB can change the rules at any time' thing originally seemed to apply to what went on within the house rather than what affected the viewers/voters.
I think the first time that changed was when they put Nicki Graham back in as a 'proper' housemate (ie still eligible to win) after people had spent money voting to evict her. Davina kept quoting 'BB can change the rules at any time' and basically telling us to stop whinging but that was when the programme 'jumped the shark', so to speak. It was the first blatant manipulation outside the original parameters and done for the sake of viewing figures, of course. Downhill ever since then..!
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 10:36 PM
As Josy says, people are making up rules that don't exist on the BB site. At a minimum this thread is a little premature as we haven't yet heard the details of the twist, they will be shared tomorrow at which time it may all become clear.
BB manipulate, thats how it is, thats how its always been, I think people have short memories
No, it is not how it has always been. This level of manipulation is a relatively recent thing (though you can find the odd example here and there on Channel 4). Indeed, it has never been as blatant as it is now.
Again, supposed Big Brother fans defending this crap that is putting viewers off. So they get away with it again and again until there are no viewers left.
No. It has not. There was a format that they very rarely strayed away from.
You can't watch things happen and then decide after the event what the rules are. That is blatant manipulation that just gives them a green card for even more manipulation than there usually is.
Go find a copy of the rules and read them...
And seriously BB or the producers have been changing rules and making decisions like this since day one which they are perfectly entitled to do due to the way they cover themselves with the most important rule of all, the only reason we have so much complaining about it now is because a large percentage of viewers now follow online too and want to know everything as soon as it happens.
If a twist needs a certain amount up to work then so be it.
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 10:42 PM
Go find a copy of the rules and read them...
And seriously BB or the producers have been changing rules and making decisions like this since day one
No, they have not. How can you say that? The standard rules for nominations were always that 2 or more people with the most noms would face the public vote. The only time that was not the case was when there was a twist of some sort, usually announced to the viewers before nominations took place. That was how it was done on Channel 4 for years
Now they wait to see how people nominate and make the rules up depending on what the result is. That is blatant manipulation. And they do it now to a level they have never done before. It is shocking to see fans of the show defend them over it.
If a twist needs a certain amount up to work then so be it.
If it's about a twist then so be it. but they've done this a lot over the last couple of years. And once upon a time these twists would be announced before the nominations to the viewers.
As I said, you are giving them the freedom to get away with manipulating the show to a ridiculous degree that is and has been putting viewers off.
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 10:46 PM
The 'BB can change the rules at any time' thing originally seemed to apply to what went on within the house rather than what affected the viewers/voters.
I think the first time that changed was when they put Nicki Graham back in as a 'proper' housemate (ie still eligible to win) after people had spent money voting to evict her. Davina kept quoting 'BB can change the rules at any time' and basically telling us to stop whinging but that was when the programme 'jumped the shark', so to speak. It was the first blatant manipulation outside the original parameters and done for the sake of viewing figures, of course. Downhill ever since then..!
It wasn't the first. It was just the one that people remember the most. BB6 featured a blatant piece of manipulation when Kemal, Anthony and Craig were supposedly up. They waited to see which group did nominate and which group did not and which ever one Vanessa was in would be the one who were really nominated. Unfortunately for them Makosi was more unpopular then Vanessa, so they then added another twist where the two with the most votes would face a HM vote. This led to Vanessa being evicted over Makosi, which is what they were going for all along.
No, they have not. How can you say that? The standard rules for nominations were always that 2 or more people with the most noms would face the public vote. The only time that was not the case was when there was a twist of some sort, usually announced to the viewers before nominations took place. That was how it was done on Channel 4 for years
Now they wait to see how people nominate and make the rules up depending on what the result is. That is blatant manipulation. And they do it now to a level they have never done before. It is shocking to see fans of the show defend them over it.
If it's about a twist then so be it. but they've done this a lot over the last couple of years. And once upon a time these twists would be announced before the nominations to the viewers.
As I said, you are giving them the freedom to get away with manipulating the show to a ridiculous degree that is and has been putting viewers off.
This isn't true at all. There's been times when there's only 2 up in a head to head, there's been times when anyone with 2 or more was up and there's been times when any hm that received only one nom or more was up.
They already have the freedom to do whatever they want...they always have which has resulted in some of the more ridiculous twists over the years.
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 10:52 PM
This isn't true at all. There's been times when there's only 2 up in a head to head, there's been times when anyone with 2 or more was up.
Name me one series on Channel 4 when anyone with 2 nominations was up just because they received 2 nominations. That is a recent development which they first used to get Jackie Travers up and out during bb14.
In week 5 of BB14...
Dexter got 4 votes
Gina got 4 votes
Callum got 5 votes
The twins got 3 votes
The way it was being done that series, it should have been... Callum vs. Dexter vs. Gina
Jackie got 2 votes and suddenly she just happened to be up for eviction, so they put the twins up as well.
Name me one series on Channel 4 when anyone with 2 nominations was up just because they received 2 nominations. That is a recent development which they first used to get Jackie Travers up and out during bb14.
I never said it happened on Channel 4, I can't remember off the top of my head if it did or not
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 10:56 PM
I never said it happened on Channel 4, I can't remember off the top of my head if it did or not
It never did. It began with Jackie Travers. Until then it was the 2 or more people with the most noms. They saw an opportunity to get rid of Jackie and they went with it, and people let them off and they've been getting worse with this sort of stuff every year since.
Absorption
25-05-2015, 10:57 PM
Name me one series on Channel 4 when anyone with 2 nominations was up just because they received 2 nominations. That is a recent development which they first used to get Jackie Travers up and out during bb14.
To be fair, I'd probably have cancelled the series, put all the HMs except Jackie in a hotel somewhere and then brought it back without telling her just to get rid of her!
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 10:59 PM
To be fair, I'd probably have cancelled the series, put all the HMs except Jackie in a hotel somewhere and then brought it back without telling her just to get rid of her!
I couldn't stand her either. But they were allowed to get away with it that year because everybody could see that she was the worst housemate in there. But once you let them get away with this stuff once, they do it again and again.
That's why I hate Marlon's eviction last year. After him Danielle was evicted without a public vote, and now someone was this year on the first night as well.
Jamesy
25-05-2015, 10:59 PM
It's true they can change things as they please. Although in this case on this series on this day it is unnecessary to have that many housemates up for eviction.
Although as bitontheslide says, when this twist is revealed maybe it will be clear why so many people are up this week.
I still don't get the massive deal that's being made, they haven't said anyone is facing eviction yet.
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 11:10 PM
I still don't get the massive deal that's being made, they haven't said anyone is facing eviction yet.
But that's another issue people have with this show... They used to inform the viewers of the twists/tasks before they had even announced anyhting to the housemates. Now though they wait to see how things play out and make it up afterwards. This is a terrible way to go about things and it alienates and confuses the fans of the show.
It feels like the viewers are being played for fools as much as the housemates these days.
I think some people are missing the point that the series has always been provided by Endimol through the C4 and C5 era's. It has been their choice to evolve the show through the years. So saying something was better in the Channel 4 days is incorrect, as it was the same production company responsible.
Everything has to change, thats life, and if Endimol choose to change the format, they own it, it is their right to do so. People outgrow programs, it happens all the time. I freely admit I'm nearly done with it, but I don't have a divine right to tell anyone how to produce their show. I'm sure it is not Endimols intention to kill something that has been a good earner for them for years - the decisions are theirs to make and they will continue to do so as long as networks are prepared to pay for it.
Beetlejuice
25-05-2015, 11:49 PM
I think some people are missing the point that the series has always been provided by Endimol through the C4 and C5 era's. It has been their choice to evolve the show through the years. So saying something was better in the Channel 4 days is incorrect, as it was the same production company responsible.
What are you on about? Who cares if it is the same production company? It was still better when it was on Channel 4. And who the executive producer is changes throughout the years. Whoever those people have been the last few years have been useless.
Everything has to change, thats life, and if Endimol choose to change the format, they own it, it is their right to do so.
No one is disputing that. But the changes being made are ridiculous and offputting and damn near fraudulent.
People outgrow programs, it happens all the time. I freely admit I'm nearly done with it, but I don't have a divine right to tell anyone how to produce their show. I'm sure it is not Endimols intention to kill something that has been a good earner for them for years - the decisions are theirs to make and they will continue to do so as long as networks are prepared to pay for it.
And we are free to be critical of it. That is how people improve... When others are critical of them. Especially a programme that is supposed to be interactive and involves the viewers in things like voting.
mrflibble
26-05-2015, 02:06 AM
I'm getting sick of the nominations in Big Brother. Last year I started watching the older series of BB (working backwards), and oh god there is nothing better than just plain old private nominations. I hate face to face, I hate them seeing the nominations, I hate stupid nomination twists. Jesus christ it sucks balls. I'll still keep watching BB coz it's a nice timewaster, but it's seriously making me want to stop and I only started watching the show last year!
GLENN BILL BB7
26-05-2015, 02:13 AM
So they can make more money to put towards making secret rooms and paying for the housemates families trips to the house so they can nominate for them LOL
But seriously they're trying to keep in the bigger characters, Which makes no sense considering all 6 of them are big characters.
the_answers
26-05-2015, 02:38 AM
Agree it appears bollocks at first glance.
But is there maybe some justice ?
If Joel votes Nick to be up (and Nick agrees it's fair)
Then what's the problem with Nick being up ?
You might say Christian is unlucky.
But after saying Jade is "isolating" herself they're suddenly all in the bathtub together.
If most HMs are changing their stories or just giving BS reasons, is it really so wrong if BB change the story too ?
I don't blame BB on this occasion tbh.
The HM's have really taken the urine over their nom reasons.
Beetlejuice
26-05-2015, 03:56 AM
Agree it appears bollocks at first glance.
But is there maybe some justice ?
If Joel votes Nick to be up (and Nick agrees it's fair)
Then what's the problem with Nick being up ?
You might say Christian is unlucky.
But after saying Jade is "isolating" herself they're suddenly all in the bathtub together.
If most HMs are changing their stories or just giving BS reasons, is it really so wrong if BB change the story too ?
I don't blame BB on this occasion tbh.
The HM's have really taken the urine over their nom reasons.
This thread is about the producers changing the rules of who is up. Not about the reasons given. Last week the people with the most votes were up, this week whoever has 2 nominations or more is now up. It is the viewers who are left in the dark in all this mess. Once again the producers find a way of trampling on the format, the housemates and the viewers.
Even if there is a twist, it should have been announced what that twist was before. And why couldn't it be done with the top 4 people who received the most nominations?
Amy Jade
26-05-2015, 04:02 AM
They put more up so theres more choice to vote for who you hate to piss off out the house so basically the money
Beetlejuice
26-05-2015, 04:15 AM
They put more up so theres more choice to vote for who you hate to piss off out the house so basically the money
Disagree. They do it because they want a certain result. If they wanted money they'd just put them all up every week. As I said... In BB14 it was going to be Callum vs. Dexter vs. Gina and all 3 of them were bringing a certain amount of drama. Jackie Travers was on 2 nominations and she was bringing nothing to the show so they changed the rule to anyone with 2 nominations is up specifically to get her out that week.
Them wanting a certain result and feeling they can do what they want to get it was always going to lead to what we saw last year which was Marlon and Danielle getting evicted without any public vote. And it will keep leading to the prods taking the piss. The week following Danielle being evicted, Ashleigh is voted power housemate and given immunity, and then she gets put up for eviction anyway.
The fact people just say "It's their show they can do what they want" in response is typical of viewers today. They could never get away with something so blatant back when it was watched by a lot of people who actually gave a ****.
Dash Darington
26-05-2015, 04:55 AM
Some people are trying extremely hard to simply insist that people accept the nomination rigging.
the_answers
26-05-2015, 05:39 AM
If you mean me Dash, not at all.
I couldn't care less, just think it's much ado about nothing.
Guess it's probably like Amy Jade says.
Just don't get the problem with these rules.
I thought the rules were the rules could change ?
Course people may not like the format (and I don't either tbh).
But on THIS occasion can't see Nick or Christian going anyway and guess it won't make any difference.
We'll see what happens though.
the_answers
26-05-2015, 05:46 AM
Disagree. They do it because they want a certain result. If they wanted money they'd just put them all up every week.
Don't think they would.
It would kill the whole dynamic of the house in terms of pacts and alliances.
HMs can't talk about noms.
But they can influence others to be on their side, in their group or to think badly of others so others put them up.
I agree I don't like evicting HMs without a public vote though.
Some people are trying extremely hard to simply insist that people accept the nomination rigging.
Nominations aren't rigged at all though, they are played out the exact way they happen with the housemates nominating who they want to....
Pete.
26-05-2015, 06:55 AM
As well as the 'Big brother can change the rules at any time' there is also...
'The minimum number of people available for eviction each week may be changed without notice'
I always find it hilarious how irate people get over things like this when it's been the same for years.
If this next twist was preplanned then there may need to be a certain amount up for it to work.
But it's so unfair how one week you are safe with 2 nome the next you are up
But it's so unfair how one week you are safe with 2 nome the next you are up
The producers have also made it very clear that there will be a twist, and that the details of it will be announced today. I don't understand why people need to question and moan about the numbers when they are being told it will be explained today
Beetlejuice
26-05-2015, 01:02 PM
Nominations aren't rigged at all though, they are played out the exact way they happen with the housemates nominating who they want to....
What? They wait to see how the housemates nominate and then they make the rules up afterwards. How is that not rigging the show? :laugh:
Beetlejuice
26-05-2015, 01:03 PM
The producers have also made it very clear that there will be a twist, and that the details of it will be announced today. I don't understand why people need to question and moan about the numbers when they are being told it will be explained today
(1) Because this is not the first time they've done it
(2) The twists should be explained in detail before the nominations even begin
(3) There will probably still be the question why the top 4 only and not Cristian and Nick aren't up
(1) Because this is not the first time they've done it
(2) The twists should be explained in detail before the nominations even begin
(3) There will probably still be the question why the top 4 only and not Cristian and Nick aren't up
I'm wondering if you were ever part of the Edimol production team or perhaps applied for a job with them. You seem very bitter for a "fan"
Beetlejuice
26-05-2015, 01:11 PM
I'm wondering if you were ever part of the Edimol production team or perhaps applied for a job with them. You seem very bitter for a "fan"
Why would a fan of the show not be annoyed at what they're doing to a show they used to enjoy?
Why would a fan of the show not be annoyed at what they're doing to a show they used to enjoy?
Why do you watch if it annoys you so much? that's a genuine question btw because you were the exact same last season too.
Cherie
26-05-2015, 01:36 PM
In fairness to the production team from a housemate point of view it is much more difficult for them to gauge exactly how many noms it takes to get someone up, and for this week they dropped the number so the maximum number of HMs could be shown on screen I guess :hehe:
Beetlejuice
26-05-2015, 01:54 PM
Why do you watch if it annoys you so much? that's a genuine question btw because you were the exact same last season too.
I thought they might get their act together. I'm still hoping the current "ratings crisis" might do the job.
Will.
26-05-2015, 01:55 PM
It's probably a fake double eviction, 3 pairs and we have to vote a pair into a secret house
Jamesy
26-05-2015, 02:42 PM
It's probably a fake double eviction, 3 pairs and we have to vote a pair into a secret house
Yeah that seems like the most likely scenario at the moment.
Although waiting a day to announce that seem strange, when they could have just said it at the end of last nights show.
Will.
26-05-2015, 02:44 PM
Yeah that seems like the most likely scenario at the moment.
Although waiting a day to announce that seem strange, when they could have just said it at the end of last nights show.
yeah it will probably be tonight! Should be great viewing if it is.
Beetlejuice
26-05-2015, 03:09 PM
Yeah that seems like the most likely scenario at the moment.
Although waiting a day to announce that seem strange, when they could have just said it at the end of last nights show.
They were still coming up with it last night.
Will.
26-05-2015, 03:18 PM
They probably didn't reveal noms to the house in yesterday highlight show as they were insure weather to have a normal eviction or fake double, and then they reveal noms on tonights show and the reason six are up because we will vote for one of the 3 pairs to go into secret house during a fake double eviction.
Beetlejuice
26-05-2015, 03:31 PM
They probably didn't reveal noms to the house in yesterday highlight show as they were insure weather to have a normal eviction or fake double, and then they reveal noms on tonights show and the reason six are up because we will vote for one of the 3 pairs to go into secret house during a fake double eviction.
I wouldn't do it like that personally. I would have Jade look like she's been voted out (the HMs won't believe any other result), have her put in a secret room and then allow her to choose any of the other HMs who were up to work with her whilst she is in the secret room, which they will be able to visit her in.
Alternatively, something like what happened with Aisleyne (interesting that she's on BOTS tonight), where Jade gets voted into a secret house and is joined by new housemates on Friday. 2 guys with a bit more charisma about them than the current lot and some other polyamorous girl. That would be quite amusing actually.
Beetlejuice
26-05-2015, 10:14 PM
The producers keeping us as informed as ever.
Christ it is shocking how bad this show has become
Will.
26-05-2015, 10:15 PM
I love the idea of a person getting voted into a secret house with new HM
Beetlejuice
26-05-2015, 10:31 PM
Does anyone have any idea what's going on? Because I don't.
It annoyed me that they said we would find out in last nights hl show, then on BOTS and now its tonight ... I don't mind a twist but if they are going to do one they should at least stick to their declared schedule. I refuse point blank to watch BOTS these days and I won't be manipulated into watching it by these tactics
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