Expect somehing drastic to happen... Ch5 comments on BB struggle

[*mazedsalv**]

So, a poster called Oathy (pretty sure he used to be a member here too, not sure if he is anymore), he has been one of the most hardcore Live Feed campaigners in the last 6 years. He has had contact with Ben Frow, a Channel 5 producer and according to Ben, he is "not happy" by the state of the show and the current ratings. According to Oathy, Ben was in talks with Ch5 for live feed, and I think some wanted it, and some didn't (not sure whether it was Ch5, Viacom or Endemol who wanted/didn't want it). They were in talks in January about it and it was about to be agreed, but they the dropped it.

Well, anyway, Oathy states that Ben Frow was very honest in his reply and said he is not happy and is having meetings with people to see what can be done. Ben personally wants the feed back, but some other people don't. Oathy is saying that judging by his email from him, we should expect a few drastic things to happen... things that may happen:

- A mass eviction like BB11 which would be linked to the Timebomb theme
- Getting a lot more new HMs to throw in after the mass eviction
- Re-introducing ex HMs (unsure if this would be for tasks)

And last but not least, more discussions regarding Live Feed.

[Vanessa]

A mass eviction will leave the show with only the dullards left. :nono:

[*mazedsalv**]

A mass eviction will leave the show with only the dullards left. :nono:

Agree, a mass eviction should be a VTS vote.

[Niamh.]

Yeah hate all those ideas, they're the kind of thing that would make me switch off tbh

[Jake.]

Well I'm glad that at least LF is being discussed

[Vanessa]

We will be left with another BB4. If this happens i will stop watching. :omgno:

[arista]

So, a poster called Oathy (pretty sure he used to be a member here too, not sure if he is anymore), he has been one of the most hardcore Live Feed campaigners in the last 6 years. He has had contact with Ben Frow, a Channel 5 producer and according to Ben, he is "not happy" by the state of the show and the current ratings. According to Oathy, Ben was in talks with Ch5 for live feed, and I think some wanted it, and some didn't (not sure whether it was Ch5, Viacom or Endemol who wanted/didn't want it). They were in talks in January about it and it was about to be agreed, but they the dropped it.

Well, anyway, Oathy states that Ben Frow was very honest in his reply and said he is not happy and is having meetings with people to see what can be done. Ben personally wants the feed back, but some other people don't. Oathy is saying that judging by his email from him, we should expect a few drastic things to happen... things that may happen:

- A mass eviction like BB11 which would be linked to the Timebomb theme
- Getting a lot more new HMs to throw in after the mass eviction
- Re-introducing ex HMs (unsure if this would be for tasks)

And last but not least, more discussions regarding Live Feed.



Yes I am Ready to Pay As You Go
my Master Card is ready

[Liam-]

We'd literally be left with a house full of Dannys, Joels, Keirans, Cristians and Chloes if they did a mass eviction in a VTE, not here for it

[Pete.]

Yaay Live Feed

But what they need to do and learn from BB15 is that less twists = better series and more viewers

[Locke.]

We'd literally be left with a house full of Dannys, Joels, Keirans, Cristians and Chloes if they did a mass eviction in a VTE, not here for it

You know what, the more I hear the more this sounds like a fantastic idea. Get me a direct line to Oathy, Salv!

[jackc1806]

Endemol don't want a feed though and they produce the show, I doubt it'll happen this year.

[*mazedsalv**]

I don't agree with the mass eviction if it's VTE like I said to Oathy. But I reckon Ch5 is literally throwing all the cards down, from the sounds of it, they want to get rid of half the HMs and throw in around 7 more in from what I got from Oathy's post.

Live Feed is more difficult than it sounds apparently too. As I said, some people want it (saying it's the whole point) and some people don't because they feel it's a waste of money if it's not going to increase ratings.

I think from what I gather is that Viacom and Ch5 WANT it, Endemol doesn't. Which confuses me because Endomol runs Live Feed for nearly every single country that has BB.

[Headie]

Just bring Live Feed back and Vote to Save... Literally that's all we need. No twists, gimmicks etc.

[jackc1806]

I don't agree with the mass eviction if it's VTE like I said to Oathy. But I reckon Ch5 is literally throwing all the cards down, from the sounds of it, they want to get rid of half the HMs and throw in around 7 more in from what I got from Oathy's post.

Live Feed is more difficult than it sounds apparently too. As I said, some people want it (saying it's the whole point) and some people don't because they feel it's a waste of money if it's not going to increase ratings.

I think from what I gather is that Viacom and Ch5 WANT it, Endemol doesn't. Which confuses me because Endomol runs Live Feed for nearly every single country that has BB.

Initial is a separate company though as far as I'm aware, running under the Endemol umbrella. I'd imagine they'd point to the success of CBB without a feed- however we know BB does better when there is a feed, BB14 is an indication of that perhaps.

[Pete.]

Imo this series was going well with the more social aspect of it being prevelant in the highlight shows, but they can easily kill the series with a ****e twist like a mass eviction

[*mazedsalv**]

Oathy just said to me...

Hi salv

I think we can expect some major events in the show. He really isn't happy
I have got back in touch with Samwell -Smith and sent him a copy of Ben Frows email.

So "major events", I don't know if that sounds good or downright terrible. Nick Samwell Smith is the Managing Director of Endemol and in 2011 was placed in charge of BB if people didn't know. http://www.endemoluk.com/who-we-are/initialuk/team_bios

So, seeing all these high people being contacted means that Ch5 is serious about doing something. Knowing Ch5 though, it's going to be shockingly bad.

[jackc1806]

I don't like the sound of half the housemates going- that's ridiculous. What it needed was promotion and a June launch, live feed nightly and that's it really.

[Pete.]

I don't agree with the mass eviction if it's VTE like I said to Oathy. But I reckon Ch5 is literally throwing all the cards down, from the sounds of it, they want to get rid of half the HMs and throw in around 7 more in from what I got from Oathy's post.

Live Feed is more difficult than it sounds apparently too. As I said, some people want it (saying it's the whole point) and some people don't because they feel it's a waste of money if it's not going to increase ratings.

I think from what I gather is that Viacom and Ch5 WANT it, Endemol doesn't. Which confuses me because Endomol runs Live Feed for nearly every single country that has BB.
I guess the UK would have paid live feed and have some live feed rolling on 5* every night, I suppose the USA generates money from their paid live feed online

[jackc1806]

Oathy just said to me...

Hi salv

I think we can expect some major events in the show. He really isn't happy
I have got back in touch with Samwell -Smith and sent him a copy of Ben Frows email.

So "major events", I don't know if that sounds good or downright terrible. Nick Samwell Smith is the Managing Director of Endemol and in 2011 was placed in charge of BB if people didn't know.

So, seeing all these high people being contacted means that Ch5 is serious about doing something. Knowing Ch5 though, it's going to be shockingly bad.

ratings > quality at the end of the day from a C5 perspective. From a fans point of view it sounds disastrous...

[Pete.]

Oathy just said to me...

Hi salv

I think we can expect some major events in the show. He really isn't happy
I have got back in touch with Samwell -Smith and sent him a copy of Ben Frows email.

So "major events", I don't know if that sounds good or downright terrible. Nick Samwell Smith is the Managing Director of Endemol and in 2011 was placed in charge of BB if people didn't know. http://www.endemoluk.com/who-we-are/initialuk/team_bios

So, seeing all these high people being contacted means that Ch5 is serious about doing something. Knowing Ch5 though, it's going to be shockingly bad.
If major events mean Armageddon again I'm done

[Vanessa]

It won't be a mass eviction, because then Jade would go. She would only stay in a vote to save.

[Pete.]

ratings > quality at the end of the day from a C5 perspective. From a fans point of view it sounds disastrous...
At this point however with civilian BB fans are the ratings, so if they piss enough of them off like with power trip the show will flop

[jackc1806]

At this point however with civilian BB fans are the ratings, so if they piss enough of them off like with power trip the show will flop

They've said before their strategy is interesting casual viewers to watch, a massive eviction or something would do that. They also know most BB fans won't switch off regardless, look how much people on here and DS have rightly complained but they are still watching every night... :(

[Pete.]

They've said before their strategy is interesting casual viewers to watch, a massive eviction or something would do that. They also know most BB fans won't switch off regardless, look how much people on here and DS have rightly complained but they are still watching every night... :(
True :omgno:

[Vanessa]

They've said before their strategy is interesting casual viewers to watch, a massive eviction or something would do that. They also know most BB fans won't switch off regardless, look how much people on here and DS have rightly complained but they are still watching every night... :(

If all the best characters are evicted they will lose even more viewers.

[jackc1806]

Phil Edgar Jones (BB11) said that massive eviction was his worst ever production decision... I think they need to go down the ex HM route tbh

[Pete.]

They should sent all stars in if they are that worried

[Vanessa]

They need to keep things simple. There are too many twists. :nono:

[crazycolaist]

Well lets see what they can do but if it doesnt work they need to put big brother to bed for a few years. but thats a good thing because CBB is growing & after 5 years people will miss ordinary BB & new viewers will want a civillian version
All in all Big Brother is still the best ordinary reality tv show & sometimes it just needs a big rest. If i was C5 when they bought the BB rights I would of only aired CBB & see what people think. I mean take a look at SCD. All celebs & people are wanting a civillian version. I have high hopes for the BB brand always.

[*mazedsalv**]

They should sent all stars in if they are that worried

From what I hear from Oathy, that may be one of the major changes by incorporating ex HMs vs. current HMs to fit into the timebomb theme.

[Vanessa]

From what I hear from Oathy, that may be one of the major changes by incorporating ex HMs vs. current HMs to fit into the timebomb theme.

That's what they should have done from the beginning. :facepalm:

[crazycolaist]

From what I hear from Oathy, that may be one of the major changes by incorporating ex HMs vs. current HMs to fit into the timebomb theme.

I think thats why this series's has failed to be honest. Everybody got their hopes up about ex housemates. Now time has passed tom dick and harry dont really care.

[crazycolaist]

Oh and another thing, Channel 5 if your reading you need to create a uservoice database for big brother.

Microsoft did it for when Xbox became a failing brand when the Xbox One was released to get actual decent feedback & the users can vote i.e priorities what they want & it has took the Xbox a great deal in terms of comparing its competition & what they do (PS4,Wii u) & for somebody whos been gaming for 10 years its exactly that what has pushed the Xbox Brand to beat Playstation some months (which you can relate & understand about lagging in competition)
https://www.uservoice.com
https://xbox.uservoice.com

[Jamesy]

If there's a mass eviction they need to do a Timebomb so it's vote to save.

I admire Ben pushing live feed. You can tell he's very passionate with his work on C5.

I think if there are senior people worried about live feed at the least they should trial it for one or two weeks, if ratings improve keep it, if they don't remove it, simple.

The matter of the fact though is that they've aired this series far too early and haven't bothered with advertising at all. If they did a big push with that prior to the series start we would be seeing far more overnight figures right now. Most people I've spoken to about Big Brother these past few weeks didn't even think it was back and thought it was on in June! C5 really need to push Big Brother advertising in future and not just leave the advertising push exclusive to CBB. Civilian Big Brother needs far more of a push in advertising for people other than hardcore fans to know its back.

[Pete.]

From what I hear from Oathy, that may be one of the major changes by incorporating ex HMs vs. current HMs to fit into the timebomb theme.
Nikki and Gina :love:

[Vanessa]

If there's a mass eviction they need to do a Timebomb so it's vote to save.

I admire Ben pushing live feed. You can tell he's very passionate with his work on C5.

I think if there are senior people worried about live feed at the least they should trial it for one or two weeks, if ratings improve keep it, if they don't remove it, simple.

The matter of the fact though is that they've aired this series far too early and haven't bothered with advertising at all. If they did a big push with that prior to the series start we would be seeing far more overnight figures right now. Most people I've spoken to about Big Brother these past few weeks didn't even think it was back and thought it was on in June! C5 really need to push Big Brother advertising in future and not just leave the advertising push exclusive to CBB. Civilian Big Brother needs far more of a push in advertising for people other than hardcore fans to know its back.

A mass eviction with vote to save would get rid of the bores. But everyone should be up, or we're stuck with Chloe. :nono:

[jackc1806]

I think Ben Frow is being pushed against a rock and a hard place with regard to LF- he got it right in BB14 and when it moved online he said it worked- I honestly believe he was planning to work on that but Samwell Smith intervened :/

[Vanessa]

I think Ben Frow is being pushed against a rock and a hard place with regard to LF- he got it right in BB14 and when it moved online he said it worked- I honestly believe he was planning to work on that but Samwell Smith intervened :/

A lot of people would happily pay for it.

[jackc1806]

A lot of people would happily pay for it.

Exactly! :(

[Lostie!]

Nikki and Gina :love:

Regardless of how much I'm enjoying it, Gina going back in would be enough to make me abandon this series. :omgno:

[Jamesy]

A mass eviction with vote to save would get rid of the bores. But everyone should be up, or we're stuck with Chloe. :nono:
If everyone's up people like Chloe don't stand a chance of getting votes in vote to save, so hope that happens!

[Vanessa]

Exactly! :(

They need to advertise the show. They never do and then expect it to do well ? :huh:

[crazycolaist]

Regardless of how much I'm enjoying it, Gina going back in would be enough to make me abandon this series. :omgno:


Well you do say you live on the island so maybe you should cos Gina is a B galdem type

[Vanessa]

If everyone's up people like Chloe don't stand a chance of getting votes in vote to save, so hope that happens!

Yes and i think people like Christian or Nick would be fine in a vote to save as well. But Chloe would go. She has no fanbase.

[bots]

I think a mass eviction is required, and it wouldn't surprise me if it happens this week. Personal opinion I know, but the current crop of house mates just don't make the grade to have an engaging program that will keep me entertained for weeks.

[jackc1806]

Problem is I think the editing is pretty much spot on this series- it's just LF we need now

[Glenn.]

I really don't see the problem with putting an online feed up that we have to pay for. It worked really well for BB11.

Not here for a mass eviction. I'm liking this series so far.

[Jamesy]

The only thing that worries me about if they do something big it will really dampen the series and again put people off next year.

If they do something it needs to be good and not appear too desperate. If they plan on giving people the boot it needs to be structured so the useless characters go out. If good ones go that the public love then they will have screwed themselves over yet again, some viewers still have a sour taste in their mouths over the Helen thing last year.

[Vanessa]

I think a mass eviction is required, and it wouldn't surprise me if it happens this week. Personal opinion I know, but the current crop of house mates just don't make the grade to have an engaging program that will keep me entertained for weeks.

I think vote to save is needed. Vote to evict always leaves the show with dullards and gets rid of the good housemates.

[*mazedsalv**]

I do think it's interesting that perhaps the climb from 850k on Monday to 1m on Tuesday could be due to BB being promoted all day yesterday on Comedy Central? If it did have something to do with it, then maybe they should promo it everywhere now.

Also, BB last night was up against Geordie Shore's last episode and I really thought it would be lower than Monday's rating. So in theory, tonight should be higher than 1.00m with the apparent twist (not like people really care) and the shopping task.

[Vanessa]

The only thing that worries me about if they do something big it will really dampen the series and again put people off next year.

If they do something it needs to be good and not appear too desperate. If they plan on giving people the boot it needs to be structured so the useless characters go out. If good ones go that the public love then they will have screwed themselves over yet again, some viewers still have a sour taste in their mouths over the Helen thing last year.

Put them all up as punishment for talking about nominations. Vote to save.

[Pete.]

They should do a late night feed like BB14 :love:

[Pete.]

Regardless of how much I'm enjoying it, Gina going back in would be enough to make me abandon this series. :omgno:
Justice for Gina

[Vanessa]

They should do a late night feed like BB14 :love:

Yes, 11 to 1 would be great.

[jackc1806]

I do think it's interesting that perhaps the climb from 850k on Monday to 1m on Tuesday could be due to BB being promoted all day yesterday on Comedy Central? If it did have something to do with it, then maybe they should promo it everywhere now.

Also, BB last night was up against Geordie Shore's last episode and I really thought it would be lower than Monday's rating. So in theory, tonight should be higher than 1.00m with the apparent twist (not like people really care) and the shopping task.

I'd imagine we'd see a slight climb this week with it being half term but don't show me the ratings for this Friday- they'll be awful (up against corrie and BGT) :laugh:

[Jamesy]

If it's not too late could they not get an advert shown on ITV during one of these BGT episodes? That's a massive opportunity they have every year and they never use it.

[Pete.]

They also need to put the main show on at 9pm to attract more viewers

[Jamesy]

Yes, 11 to 1 would be great.
Yess :love:

Miss those days. Even just 2 hours a night made the series far more enjoyable and exciting to watch.

Plus BB14 got the highest civilian series average (ratings)!

[jackc1806]

They also need to put the main show on at 9pm to attract more viewers

Share would be squeezed to less than 5%, not sure if that's the best idea especially this week :laugh:

[jackc1806]

If it's not too late could they not get an advert shown on ITV during one of these BGT episodes? That's a massive opportunity they have every year and they never use it.

Should have advertised from Launch on ITV

[Pete.]

Share would be squeezed to less than 5%, not sure if that's the best idea especially this week :laugh:
It worked for CBB

[Jamesy]

They also need to put the main show on at 9pm to attract more viewers
Yeah that's another big problem. 10pm is too late.

Although the 9pm slot won't do well till BGT ends Sunday.

[Pete.]

Yess :love:

Miss those days. Even just 2 hours a night made the series far more enjoyable and exciting to watch.

Plus BB14 got the highest civilian series average (ratings)!
BB14 :lovedup:

[*mazedsalv**]

I agree with the whole BB14 feed thing, that worked incredibly well. This is what I wrote on DS when someone said to me that they don't think LF will make any difference:

I think it would make a bit of difference. Notice that in the 30 mins of LF on a Friday, how busy the forum becomes, with 40+ new threads being made in the space of 15 mins to discuss solely what's going on in the house.

BB14 for example, there was a lot of buzz when the live feed was on. On Live Feed, we got to see the hours before Daley's incident with Hazel with him kind of intimidating her on the feed in the Safe House, and people on the forums were going mad over it (as was Twitter).

See how the forum is now, it's relatively busy for something we see 45 mins of... imagine how busy the forums would be if we had 24 hours of material to discuss rather than 45 mins? With social media, full live feed is even better. I remember back in the day when 100+ threads saying "OMG it's kicking off..." with hundreds of posts in them, with Twitter, those kind of moments are brilliant promo for the show.

In fact, during the late night feed in BB14, every night a HM was trending worldwide on Twitter.

Just for your info, the aftermath of Daley's ejection/Hazel returning to the house getting a 1.77m overnight (2.1m official), still remains the highest rated HL show of a regular BB on Ch5.

Also, BBEXTRA actually uploaded a video of the incident which got 1m views and the clip on YouTube got 600,000 views.

[Vanessa]

They need to put back vote to save. This is the reason CBB does so well. We can save our favourites and the dullards usually go first.

[Pete.]

Yeah that's another big problem. 10pm is too late.

Although the 9pm slot won't do well till BGT ends Sunday.
They should have launched in June anyways

[Pete.]

They need to put back vote to save. This is the reason CBB does so well. We can save our favourites and the dullards usually go first.
What worries me with that is that last year Pav was saved over Biannca

[RichardG]

Unfortunately anything they do now might be too little too late. It's a shame but they only have themselves to blame. They've literally completely ignored everything the fans want over the past few years, even having segments on BOTS laughing at the viewers wanting live feed, quite bizarre. But who's laughing now? :laugh:

I really hope things work out, I still love the concept of the show and know it has the potential to be amazing with the right production and housemates. However I still feel like they'll be too stubborn to give is what we want, they'll be doing their own thing right till the end no doubt!

[jackc1806]

It worked for CBB

CBB has much wider appeal though

[Pete.]

I agree with the whole BB14 feed thing, that worked incredibly well. This is what I wrote on DS when someone said to me that they don't think LF will make any difference:

I think it would make a bit of difference. Notice that in the 30 mins of LF on a Friday, how busy the forum becomes, with 40+ new threads being made in the space of 15 mins to discuss solely what's going on in the house.

BB14 for example, there was a lot of buzz when the live feed was on. On Live Feed, we got to see the hours before Daley's incident with Hazel with him kind of intimidating her on the feed in the Safe House, and people on the forums were going mad over it (as was Twitter).

See how the forum is now, it's relatively busy for something we see 45 mins of... imagine how busy the forums would be if we had 24 hours of material to discuss rather than 45 mins? With social media, full live feed is even better. I remember back in the day when 100+ threads saying "OMG it's kicking off..." with hundreds of posts in them, with Twitter, those kind of moments are brilliant promo for the show.

In fact, during the late night feed in BB14, every night a HM was trending worldwide on Twitter.

Just for your info, the aftermath of Daley's ejection/Hazel returning to the house getting a 1.77m overnight (2.1m official), still remains the highest rated HL show of a regular BB on Ch5.

Also, BBEXTRA actually uploaded a video of the incident which got 1m views and the clip on YouTube got 600,000 views.
Exactly this.

[Josy]

Ben frow tries his best but it's channel 5 that don't want lf tbh he was pestered to push for live feed a couple of seasons ago and when he eventually got it for a few hours per evening he asked that the viewers don't let him down then iirc the ratings for it weren't that great.

Now admittedly the Times weren't great I think it was 7 til 9pm?

We need a full 24 hour live feed, possibly online with a late night feed on channel 5 during the night imo.

And drastic changes could mean the show being cancelled, I personally wouldn't call a mass eviction drastic and I don't think it would do much for ratings tbh

[Jamesy]

I agree with the whole BB14 feed thing, that worked incredibly well. This is what I wrote on DS when someone said to me that they don't think LF will make any difference:

I think it would make a bit of difference. Notice that in the 30 mins of LF on a Friday, how busy the forum becomes, with 40+ new threads being made in the space of 15 mins to discuss solely what's going on in the house.

BB14 for example, there was a lot of buzz when the live feed was on. On Live Feed, we got to see the hours before Daley's incident with Hazel with him kind of intimidating her on the feed in the Safe House, and people on the forums were going mad over it (as was Twitter).

See how the forum is now, it's relatively busy for something we see 45 mins of... imagine how busy the forums would be if we had 24 hours of material to discuss rather than 45 mins? With social media, full live feed is even better. I remember back in the day when 100+ threads saying "OMG it's kicking off..." with hundreds of posts in them, with Twitter, those kind of moments are brilliant promo for the show.

In fact, during the late night feed in BB14, every night a HM was trending worldwide on Twitter.

Just for your info, the aftermath of Daley's ejection/Hazel returning to the house getting a 1.77m overnight (2.1m official), still remains the highest rated HL show of a regular BB on Ch5.

Also, BBEXTRA actually uploaded a video of the incident which got 1m views and the clip on YouTube got 600,000 views.
Fantastic post and all great points.

It's such a shame there are people somewhere preventing live feed though.

BB14 proved that live feed helps. It was foolish of them to remove it a year later.

[Vanessa]

What worries me with that is that last year Pav was saved over Biannca

But usually vote to save works very well. Vote to evicts always ends up with the best housemates leaving.

[*mazedsalv**]

Things like this was caught on BB14 late night, couple of hours before the incident... THIS is what made BB14 so great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLSgnRwyub0

And the incident and ejection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcSnyjESA9c

[Vanessa]

Things like this was caught on BB14 late night, couple of hours before the incident... THIS is what made BB14 so great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLSgnRwyub0

They focus on showmances to much, leaving all the fun bits out. No wonder viewers are switching off. :sleep:

[jackc1806]

Things like this was caught on BB14 late night, couple of hours before the incident... THIS is what made BB14 so great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLSgnRwyub0

I remember that... The forum was electric

[mrmattybeck1]

Ben knows the show well works on it during some of the c4 years

[Vanessa]

Too many twists is spoiling what could have been a great season. :rant:

[Ramsay]

Stop getting my hopes up regarding Live Feed, i know it will never come through :(

[ruiphillips]

little too late, just axe it and bring it back next year

[Headie]

They need to put back vote to save. This is the reason CBB does so well. We can save our favourites and the dullards usually go first.

I agree :clap1:

[Jay.]

perched for any changes tbh :clap1:

[Vanessa]

I agree :clap1:

Vote to evict keeps the dullards and gets rid of the good housemates. It's always a disaster. :facepalm:

[Lostie!]

Vote to evict keeps the dullards and gets rid of the good housemates. It's always a disaster. :facepalm:

I don't think it's as simple as that. Entertaining housemates have left over less entertaining housemates via vote to save also, not to mention the utterly nasty (and nasty doesn't mean entertaining) housemates who have been kept (and their behaviour essentially rewarded) with vote to save.

Vote to evict is the format the show has been known for, I see no reason for people who loved the show on C4 to suddenly hate VTE. :shrug:

To be honest, neither voting system is perfect. There will always be results that people don't want. It's certainly not a case of "VTE = bad, VTS = good" IMO.

[Jason.]

If some people want live feed and some don't. Why don't they just introduce a fee for live feed like BB11 had.

£8 - Winter Celebrity Big Brother
£15 - Big Brother
£8 - Summer Celebrity Big Brother

£30 - Yearly pass for all three series.

[Vanessa]

I don't think it's as simple as that. Entertaining housemates have left over less entertaining housemates via vote to save also, not to mention the utterly nasty (and nasty doesn't mean entertaining) housemates who have been kept (and their behaviour essentially rewarded) with vote to save.

Vote to evict is the format the show has been known for, I see no reason for people who loved the show on C4 to suddenly hate VTE. :shrug:

To be honest, neither voting system is perfect. There will always be results that people don't want. It's certainly not a case of "VTE = bad, VTS = good" IMO.

i think vote to save is better. They had it before and it worked very well.

[Jason.]

I don't think it's as simple as that. Entertaining housemates have left over less entertaining housemates via vote to save also, not to mention the utterly nasty (and nasty doesn't mean entertaining) housemates who have been kept (and their behaviour essentially rewarded) with vote to save.

Vote to evict is the format the show has been known for, I see no reason for people who loved the show on C4 to suddenly hate VTE. :shrug:

To be honest, neither voting system is perfect. There will always be results that people don't want. It's certainly not a case of "VTE = bad, VTS = good" IMO.

Spot on.

BIB - The vile knobhead James Jordan rings a bell.

[Jamesy]

VTS can backfire sometimes (Pav getting saved over Biannca last year being one example) although on the whole it's better for the bigger characters.

I disagree with VTS being a part of a whole civilian series. Although as a one off I'm all for it.

[Vanessa]

Spot on.

BIB - The vile knobhead James Jordan rings a bell.

I know, but the alternative is having dullards in the final, which i think is worse.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

If some people want live feed and some don't. Why don't they just introduce a fee for live feed like BB11 had.

£8 - Winter Celebrity Big Brother
£15 - Big Brother
£8 - Summer Celebrity Big Brother

£30 - Yearly pass for all three series.

This, they make money and make the fans happy

[Jord]

If some people want live feed and some don't. Why don't they just introduce a fee for live feed like BB11 had.

£8 - Winter Celebrity Big Brother
£15 - Big Brother
£8 - Summer Celebrity Big Brother

£30 - Yearly pass for all three series.

This is what I think too. I'm sure they've said the reason we have no live feed is due to "costs", so why not charge people for it? I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be more than willing to pay for live feed.

[JTM45]

I'd LOVE it if they had a special vote where we could vote for the housemates that we want to go and get rid of at least 50% of the twats and replace them with new housemates that WE get to choose from a load of audition tapes!!!

Most of this lot are such crap housemates and they just seem to be getting worse!!!

The livefeed thing would be fantastic but sadly i can't see it happening.

What dumbfounds me is that they have a whole year in between Series to come up with a great show but they come up with an increasingly crap one instead and then panic after a few weeks when they realize what an awful job they've done yet again!!!!

Same thing year after year after year since C5 have been at the helm!:facepalm:

Vote to Save is a crap cop out to keep people in who have no business still being there!

[Lostie!]

i think vote to save is better. They had it before and it worked very well.

Any system that rewards people like Conor far from works well as far as I'm concerned.

[Jason.]

I think the fact Conor (BB13) survived a long time with VTS, including that dreadful 80% against Shievonne is enough to put anyone of VTS.

VTS sucks.

People hold the Channel 4 series in much higher regard which had VTE, than BB12 and BB13, both of which had VTS.

VTS - CBB
VTE- BB

I like it the way it is now.

Having said that, there should always be at least one VTS eviction halfway through each Civilian series just to spice things up a bit and get rid of some dullards.

[Lostie!]

VTS can backfire sometimes (Pav getting saved over Biannca last year being one example) although on the whole it's better for the bigger characters.

I disagree with VTS being a part of a whole civilian series. Although as a one off I'm all for it.

I thought that was a good result tbh, I thought Biannca got tedious fast.

[JTM45]

VTS was dreadful and just made a bad show worse!!!!

[Jason.]

BB5-BB7 all worked well with a VTE, and those series were the best. So I don't get why VTE is hated.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I wouldnt want mass eviction of HM's, I would like to see some new HM's & I would absolutely be over the moon if they brought back LF, for me that's why there has been a dramatic drop in viewer in reason years, cause for me that is the whole premise of BB watching people 24/7.

[Vanessa]

A mass eviction would kill this show. It ruined BB11. Josie should never had won.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

This is what I think too. I'm sure they've said the reason we have no live feed is due to "costs", so why not charge people for it? I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be more than willing to pay for live feed.

You have to pay for Big Brother US feeds and they usually have 4 cameras or a quad camera, plus they have flashback so if you miss something you can always go back to see it. It does not cost a lot either.

[Jason.]

I thought that was a good result tbh, I thought Biannca got tedious fast.

And Pav was tedious. Full stop.

Come to think of it, most of the BB15 evictions would've worked out the same way with a VTS. With the exception of Week 3, 5, and 9.

[JTM45]

A mass eviction would kill this show.

I don't agree sorry!:nono:

Getting rid of Harriet, Chloe, Danny, Jade and Jack and replacing them with 5 housemates that we get to choose from say, 30 or so audition tapes would, i personally think, possibly save the show this year!

It's off to a terrible start and at this rate it's only gonna' get worse!:sleep:

[Ramsay]

I don't agree sorry!:nono:

Getting rid of Harriet, Chloe, Danny, Jade and Jack and replacing them with 5 housemates that we get to choose from say, 30 or so audition tapes would, i personally think, possibly save the show this year!

It's off to a terrible start and at this rate it's only gonna' get worse!:sleep:

In fairness, those ones would never go with Vote to Evict. except Jade.

[Lostie!]

And Pav was tedious. Full stop.

Come to think of it, most of the BB15 evictions would've worked out the same way with a VTS. With the exception of Week 3, 5, and 9.

I don't really agree, especially compared with most of BB15's lot. For me, he was one of the better one simply because he was nice enough and tolerable,

I had no interest in another week of Biannca getting her kit off and telling Winston how much she wanted his dick.

In fairness, those ones would never go with Vote to Evict. except Jade.

I think Harriet would be in danger with VTE now.

[Vanessa]

I don't agree sorry!:nono:

Getting rid of Harriet, Chloe, Danny, Jade and Jack and replacing them with 5 housemates that we get to choose from say, 30 or so audition tapes would, i personally think, possibly save the show this year!

It's off to a terrible start and at this rate it's only gonna' get worse!:sleep:

They're losing viewers, because they don't listen to the fans.
We want live feed, even if it's only on hour a day. They need to let the show play out, not add with twist after twist.

[Vanessa]

In fairness, those ones would never go with Vote to Evict. except Jade.

True. with vote to evict only the entertaining housemates end up on danger. The ones who are more quite are usually safe.

[Vanessa]

I don't really agree, especially compared with most of BB15's lot. For me, he was one of the better one simply because he was nice enough and tolerable,

I had no interest in another week of Biannca getting her kit off and telling Winston how much she wanted his dick.



I think Harriet would be in danger with VTE now.

No, i doubt it. She still has fans.

[Lostie!]

No, i doubt it. She still has fans.

And plenty of detractors too, which is what really counts in VTE.

[JTM45]

They're losing viewers, because they don't listen to the fans.
We want live feed, even if it's only on hour a day. They need to let the show play out, not add with twist after twist.

It's not JUST the lack of livefeed that's the problem!

For years now they've made a terrible job of choosing really dull or super obnoxious housemates.
I want them to choose more real people instead of sad wannabee's who just want to try and use the show as a stepping stone for their non-existant careers.

[Vanessa]

It's not JUST the lack of livefeed that's the problem!

For years now they've made a terrible job of choosing really dull or super obnoxious housemates.
I want them to choose more real people instead of sad wannabee's who just want to try and use the show as a stepping stone for their non-existant careers.

Yes, they need to mix it up a bit. It's become just another TOWIE.

[JTM45]

In fairness, those ones would never go with Vote to Evict. except Jade.

Well...............it's an excellent start at least!!! :thumbs:

[Vanessa]

Well...............it's an excellent start at least!!! :thumbs:

:joker:

[Pete.]

A mass eviction would kill this show. It ruined BB11. Josie should never had won.
Josie > Awful housemates in final

[Vanessa]

Josie > Awful housemates in final

That final could have been epic and they ruined it. :bored:

[*mazedsalv**]

So, on the twist front...

Rylan Ross Clark @Rylan
· 12m 12 minutes ago
BIGGEST TWIST EVER REVEALED TONIGHT!!!!!!! Do not miss it NOT EVEN LYING! @bbuk ! Will be giving you all the info straight after on BBOTS! X

And the Live Feed front...

Big Brother 24/7 ‏@bbuk247 · 14m14 minutes ago
All we can say about the live feed is keep an eye out.. #BBUK

Big Brother Parody ‏@BBParody · 23m23 minutes ago
Rumours floating around about Live Feed? PLEASE BE TRUE. Just give it a trial, or something. #BBUK

All Things Media ‏@ALLTHINGSMEDIA_ · 31m31 minutes ago
@BBUKLive Live Feed rumours - truth behind them or completely false? We need a response. #BBUK

All Things Media
‏@ALLTHINGSMEDIA_ BREAKING:
#BBUK rumour mill has started in the past hour of a possible LIVE FEED return. Nothing yet confirmed.

foreverbbuk™ @foreverbbuk
· 48m 48 minutes ago
To any rumours which you may be hearing regarding #BBUK, nothing is yet confirmed therefore please wait until further information is given!

I'm not getting my hopes up at all. Just rumours.

[Jamesy]

I thought that was a good result tbh, I thought Biannca got tedious fast.

I think either result had its downfalls. Pav was boring, Biannca was annoying and tedious. Although out of the both of them Biannca would have had a little more to give, even if she was a car crash.

[Beetlejuice]

I wouldn't expect anything positive out of this. It's not a mass eviction of the housemates that needs to happen but a mass eviction of the production team, and until I hear about people getting fired for this shambles, I wouldn't take any notice.

And I am very wary about the bringing back of the live coverage for a series that is already bombing. It won't bring viewers back at this late stage of the series, so it could end up being used against the arguments for it.

I've always said that the live feed really needs to be on a tv channel as well. Most people, especially older people aren't used to watching something on the web. They need a better website with the live coverage for sure however.

[Vanessa]

I wouldn't expect anything positive out of this. It's not a mass eviction of the housemates that needs to happen but a mass eviction of the production team, and until I hear about people getting fired for this shambles, I wouldn't take any notice.

And I am very wary about the bringing back of the live coverage for a series that is already bombing. It won't bring viewers back at this late stage of the series, so it could end up being used against the arguments for it.

I've always said that the live feed really needs to be on a tv channel as well. Most people, especially older people aren't used to watching something on the web. They need a better website with the live coverage for sure however.

:clap2:

[Beetlejuice]

BB5-BB7 all worked well with a VTE, and those series were the best. So I don't get why VTE is hated.

To be fair, they lost their biggest character as a result of VTE. And it is interesting that they had a VOTE TO SAVE when Pete was up for a double eviction with Richard

[Jamesy]

So, on the twist front...

Rylan Ross Clark @Rylan
· 12m 12 minutes ago
BIGGEST TWIST EVER REVEALED TONIGHT!!!!!!! Do not miss it NOT EVEN LYING! @bbuk ! Will be giving you all the info straight after on BBOTS! X

And the Live Feed front...

Big Brother 24/7 ‏@bbuk247 · 14m14 minutes ago
All we can say about the live feed is keep an eye out.. #BBUK

Big Brother Parody ‏@BBParody · 23m23 minutes ago
Rumours floating around about Live Feed? PLEASE BE TRUE. Just give it a trial, or something. #BBUK

All Things Media ‏@ALLTHINGSMEDIA_ · 31m31 minutes ago
@BBUKLive Live Feed rumours - truth behind them or completely false? We need a response. #BBUK

All Things Media
‏@ALLTHINGSMEDIA_ BREAKING:
#BBUK rumour mill has started in the past hour of a possible LIVE FEED return. Nothing yet confirmed.

foreverbbuk™ @foreverbbuk
· 48m 48 minutes ago
To any rumours which you may be hearing regarding #BBUK, nothing is yet confirmed therefore please wait until further information is given!

I'm not getting my hopes up at all. Just rumours.

I'm not getting my hopes up either, mainly because all those Tweets could simply have been made from people on here and DS speaking about live feed.

But if live feed did happen I would be amazed.

[Vanessa]

To be fair, they lost their biggest character as a result of VTE. And it is interesting that they had a VOTE TO SAVE when Pete was up for a double eviction with Richard

This is the reason why now i prefer CBB to BB. The vote to save.

[*mazedsalv**]

I'm not getting my hopes up either, mainly because all those Tweets could simply have been made from people on here and DS speaking about live feed.

But if live feed did happen I would be amazed.

Agree. The only one that interests me is bb 24/7 tweet as I'm sure they have been right about things before, the others are just fansites probably made by forum members.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Trying not to buildup my hopes regarding LF, but that would the icing on the cake for me, I've really missed it the last fees years.

[Vanessa]

Trying not to buildup my hopes regarding LF, but that would the icing on the cake for me, I've really missed it the last fees years.

Even just one hour a day would be brilliant. I miss it. :bawling:

[Will.]

did anyone else love the 2 hour live feed from 7-9 we got before BB14 evictions, really hyped the eviction up and was great to seem them all preparing

[Lostie!]

I think either result had its downfalls. Pav was boring, Biannca was annoying and tedious. Although out of the both of them Biannca would have had a little more to give, even if she was a car crash.

I must admit that I thought her eviction was funny. :laugh:

[mrmattybeck1]

did anyone else love the 2 hour live feed from 7-9 we got before BB14 evictions, really hyped the eviction up and was great to seem them all preparing
Yeah loved the late night feed as well

[mrmattybeck1]

Forever bb is just a normal twitter page like me I tweet him quite a lot he's nothing official bbuk247 is interesting

[Will.]

yeah, the problem with live feed we get now is its on very late, and theres no point recording it as the whole point is to watch it live.

Tea time live feed is perfect, theres always nothing that good on at around 6pm, all the game shows have finished by then.

[Pete.]

yeah, the problem with live feed we get now is its on very late, and theres no point recording it as the whole point is to watch it live.

Tea time live feed is perfect, theres always nothing that good on at around 6pm, all the game shows have finished by then.
They tried that with BB14 but no one watched as most speech was birdsonged out

[Will.]

They tried that with BB14 but no one watched as most speech was birdsonged out

Yeah thats annoying

[mrmattybeck1]

Utter rubbish most the good stuff on live feed always happened over night in the c4 days

[Blog Rider]

Well I have contact with Oathy on Twitter and Digital Spy so I could past info on, Also know of mrmattybeck on Twitter on my secret other account but he isn't that involved.

[susie q]

I don't agree with the mass eviction if it's VTE like I said to Oathy. But I reckon Ch5 is literally throwing all the cards down, from the sounds of it, they want to get rid of half the HMs and throw in around 7 more in from what I got from Oathy's post.

Live Feed is more difficult than it sounds apparently too. As I said, some people want it (saying it's the whole point) and some people don't because they feel it's a waste of money if it's not going to increase ratings.

I think from what I gather is that Viacom and Ch5 WANT it, Endemol doesn't. Which confuses me because Endomol runs Live Feed for nearly every single country that has BB.

Im warming to this idea.
I would get rid of Jade and replace her with a real diva of the Gina, Noirin, Deanna Aishlene sort

Get rid of Nick, Danny, Chloe, all nice but rather dull, replace them with3 older or disabled housemates.
Add in a couple more youngsters just for fun:laugh:

[Beetlejuice]

I see already people are talking about the 2 hour feed we got for BB14 on the web at midnight.

I still think anything less than a 24/7 feed should be regarded as pathetic. Personally I think anything less than a great website with multiple feeds should be regarded as lacklustre.

[Beetlejuice]

If the twist really is MASSIVE as we're being told it is, then I'd expect the half of the house nominated to be up for eviction against the half that isn't. With one half containing popular characters like Nick, Joel and Cristian as well as Jade and Eileen you can expect that half to win any public vote against the other lot of bores like Danny and Chloe.

[Beetlejuice]

Im warming to this idea.
I would get rid of Jade and replace her with a real diva of the Gina, Noirin, Deanna Aishlene sort

Get rid of Nick, Danny, Chloe, all nice but rather dull, replace them with3 older or disabled housemates.
Add in a couple more youngsters just for fun:laugh:

Why would you put disabled housemates in to replace them?

[Beetlejuice]

I think from what I gather is that Viacom and Ch5 WANT it, Endemol doesn't. Which confuses me because Endomol runs Live Feed for nearly every single country that has BB.

That's because the team that work on it in this country are utterly inept and have shown themselves to be for the last 2 years.

[Brother Leon]

Live Feed isn't going to improve their viewing figures. Hell, none of those ideas would tbf bar maybe the old HMs one, but I don't really like that..

[Beetlejuice]

People who support the re-introduction of the live coverage should be wary of this imo. The live coverage needed to be there from the start and is not capable of bringing back viewers after 2 or 3 weeks of having none imo. So it could end up being accused of failing to do anything to help the show and be dropped forever.

Though having said that, it was looking like it had been dropped for forever anyway.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Im warming to this idea.
I would get rid of Jade and replace her with a real diva of the Gina, Noirin, Deanna Aishlene sort

Get rid of Nick, Danny, Chloe, all nice but rather dull, replace them with3 older or disabled housemates.
Add in a couple more youngsters just for fun:laugh:

This & bring back LF I would be a happy bunny

[Beetlejuice]

Every year people ask for older housemates... They get them and it turns out they're just stupid old people who don't have the energy to do anything interesting or if they do it's embarrassing.

Why do people keep asking for it?

[Marsh.]

A mass eviction will leave the show with only the dullards left. :nono:

I know. :shocked: Cristian must go! :fist:

[reece(:]

nawT another armageddon week.

[Marsh.]

Every year people ask for older housemates... They get them and it turns out they're just stupid old people who don't have the energy to do anything interesting or if they do it's embarrassing.

Why do people keep asking for it?

Except an "older housemate" for the show nowadays would be anyone over 30. Hardly "old" by any stretch of the imagination. The show needs a variety of ages.

This series is highlighting the problem and the lack of diversity with everyone being between 20 and 24 with one 29 year old and one 51 year old. The huge divide is staggering. We need a mixture.

[Jake.]

Agree. The only one that interests me is bb 24/7 tweet as I'm sure they have been right about things before, the others are just fansites probably made by forum members.

24/7 is run by Jarrod from here

[Pete.]

nawT another armageddon week.
BB: Till The World Ends

Incoming

[James]

I don't know why they put that message up at the beginning about 'very offensive' language. Surely some people are going to be put off watching, if they think something very offensive is going to be broadcast. Just call it 'strong language'.