You could not make it up # 2: Benefit racist: 'misunderstood'.

[kirklancaster]

Channel 5 made us look like racist morons, say benefits documentary family who are now afraid to leave their home because of threats
Gordon Higinbotham has tattoo of Adolf Hitler and the Klu Klux Klan
He and family appeared on Channel 5 ‘Benefits Britain: Life On The Dole’
Mr Higinbotham was shown offering to pay daughter to vote UKIP
He also said: 'I like anyone as long as they’re English', during the show
Has now claimed he was 'set up to look like a moron' by producers

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POOR MISUNDERSTAND LAZY FAT RACIST

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POOR PREGNANT JOB SEARCHING DAUGHTER AND HUSBAND

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[Crimson Dynamo]

he has an SS tattoo in his forearm :umm2:

jesus wept

[MTVN]

Aw but look at their sad stare into the camera, your heart breaks for them

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[Kizzy]

No amount of money would make me vote UKIP.

[kirklancaster]

No amount of money would make me vote UKIP.

Why? This racist knob is in a minority and the party will purge these vermin OUT as it settles and grows and becomes established, and as it does, UKIP WILL ECLIPSE the LABOUR party within the next 5 years - EU in or out - mark my words.

Wager?

[Kizzy]

If you say so, it attracts too many like him for my liking.

[kirklancaster]

If you say so, it attracts too many like him for my liking.

But the far longer established Labour and Tory parties have long history of dozens of crooks, racists, thieves and perverts Kizzy - it doeds not stop their supporters supporting them - including you with Labour.

Farage IS expelling them VOLUNTARILY - not shielding them.

[Kizzy]

But the far longer established Labour and Tory parties have long history of dozens of crooks, racists, thieves and perverts Kizzy - it doeds not stop their supporters supporting them - including you with Labour.

Farage IS expelling them VOLUNTARILY - not shielding them.

Yeah only when they're outed which is practically one a week...

[joeysteele]

Why? This racist knob is in a minority and the party will purge these vermin OUT as it settles and grows and becomes established, and as it does, UKIP WILL ECLIPSE the LABOUR party within the next 5 years - EU in or out - mark my words.

Wager?

I would wager against that Kirk, really I can only see in the end UKIP succeed more against the Conservatives,if they fail to set out to do that,they will fall back.
The Lib Dems tried to regain their place over Labour a few times and ended up failing badly too in the past.

The SDP come to mind and then the SDP/Liberal Alliance, which threatened Labour but then by 2 elections were a spent force.
Where the Lib Dems succeeded was getting in to Conservative areas and taking seats from them.
That is how today, now we have a majority Conservative govt. again, by the Conservatives again seeing off the Lib Dems and taking a massive 26 seats off them in the May general election.

UKIP, had a breakthrough as to votes in May, although well short of its European figure.
It is in a lot of 2nd places in Labour seats but really well behind in 2nd place too,which doesn't often signify great success in the future.

There were 3 seats, UKIP, should have done really well this election against Labour,Heywood and Middleton(which they nearly won in a by election and where there is a really poor MP in place).
Rotherham (where labour has had nightmare publicity),and Great Grimsby (again where Labour had an outgoing candidate who said the most obnoxious of comments as to Grimsby Labour voters).

UKIP fell way back in Heywood and Middleton,in Rotherham,Sarah Champion got a good vote of confidence from her voters,then finally in Great Grimsby a few hundred votes majority was considerably improved.

I really think the EU referendum will not see UKIP off completely but it will diminish their votes tally in 2020.
I also believe Labour will be in a much stronger position, as they found themselves in the past against the SDP/Liberal Alliance.

So unless UKIP can capture more Conservative voters,I do not think they have a good future now.
This is the election, with all the confusion that was created by the Conservatives as to a Labour/SNP govt.and the Conservatives seeming to be heading for another no overall majority position,where UKIP should have been able to capitalise on that and in a big way too.

I think it absolutely horrendous that any party can amass 3,800,0000 votes and only have a single MP to show for that,that is a disgrace really.
However even Nigel Farage failed to grab the seat he stood in.
Therein lies another telling moment.

It is sad for me now, that in this Queen's speech with so much content being as to constitutional matters,that we have an arrogant govt. that will now not acknowledge it does not really have a mandate for its policies.
63% of voters voted against this govt. this is a govt. elected only by the 'system' not by the 'people'.
However, this now means no change in 2020 and I would bet while UKIP is still a good force in 2020,it will lose votes and it will have little to no effect now on Labour,with a better leader.

Unless UKIP can tap into the Conservative vote as the Lib Dems had to, then a few more seats possible at best but very few,especially once the EU referendum issue is settled.
I got badly wrong the prediction I thought was going to happen in May, however on this I would wager that Labour will be the stronger party in 2020,I even believe it will claw back up to a third at least of its lost seats in Scotland too.

The problem often can be, when voters vote for a party in the numbers they have this time as to UKIP, then see no real breakthrough.
That fair to good numbers of them next time are reluctant to do so again.
Some of those who voted UKIP this time to help get the Conservatives out,will now likely feel they wasted their votes.
If they were usually 'soft' Labour voters, I believe that is where they will return in 2020.

We will see of course as time goes on, you can remind me of this,were I to be wrong, in 2020.
I do agree that a lot of emphasis was, and still is, on some perceived racist element as to UKIP.
I have never thought them a racist party,they also had a bad media battle as to try and overcome that in this campaign.
It is very likely the media,except for the Daily/Sunday Express, will give UKIP an even more unfair time too in 2020.

[MTVN]

I would put every penny I own on that wager


All £5 of them

[kirklancaster]

I would put every penny I own on that wager


All £5 of them

:laugh: You're on Matt - £5 English Pounds it is.

And if I am wrong I will also give Joey £100.00 to donate to the Labour Party.

[Toy Soldier]

Why? This racist knob is in a minority and the party will purge these vermin OUT as it settles and grows and becomes established, and as it does, UKIP WILL ECLIPSE the LABOUR party within the next 5 years - EU in or out - mark my words.

Wager?
£100.

I'd genuinely do it except that I'm not entirely convinced you'll still be with us in 5 years. Will you give me 6/4 for the added risk?

[smudgie]

I remember this family.

The young couple were collect g baby clothes etc before being pregnant even, and daddy was rather too rich on benefits, must have had a little fiddle going somewhere.
I don't think they had more than half a dozen brain cells between them.

[kirklancaster]

£100.

I'd genuinely do it except that I'm not entirely convinced you'll still be with us in 5 years. Will you give me 6/4 for the added risk?

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Cheeky Twot.

Do you mean in the sense that I won't live another 5 years? Or that I won't be on the forum in 5 years T.S.?

And do you mean that you'll wager me £100 if I give you 6/4? (That's your bookie's mentality for you :laugh:)

[Toy Soldier]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Cheeky Twot.

Do you mean in the sense that I won't live another 5 years? Or that I won't be on the forum in 5 years T.S.?

And do you mean that you'll wager me £100 if I give you 6/4? (That's your bookie's mentality for you [emoji23])
Yeah I'll take the bet if I get 6/4 because you're of a certain age. You might die at any minute, you know! You only get evens because I'm a spring chicken.

[Glenn.]

He's an unfortunate looking soul isn't he

[kirklancaster]

Yeah I'll take the bet if I get 6/4 because you're of a certain age. You might die at any minute, you know! You only get evens because I'm a spring chicken.

Only because you're a one-off T.S I'll give you 6/4.

The bet is that UK replace Labour as one of the two main parties in the 2020 General Election.

Is that correct?

[Toy Soldier]

Only because you're a one-off T.S I'll give you 6/4.

The bet is that UK replace Labour as one of the two main parties in the 2020 General Election.

Is that correct?
Ukip! Not UK. Trying to sabotage the bet with tricky wording!

[kirklancaster]

Ukip! Not UK. Trying to sabotage the bet with tricky wording!

:joker: Chill - It was a genuine typo. OK UKIP.

Roll on the next 5 years. (give me time to save up in case I lose :hehe:)

[the truth]

labour are finished. theyd need some kind of ingenious politician capable of spellbinding oratory and irresistible charisma with an innate understanding of history ..basically theyd need an Obama, otherwise theyre rip for eternity

[empire]

people are to scared, to say that we are a soft touch on immigration, because they might lose their jobs, or end up in jail, or have their children taken into care by the social workers in a labour run council, both parties have betrayed the british people for 36 years, but under new labour they brought in laws that bullied people for saying their opinions, I mean its like if someone insults you, but you can't insult them back for saying a mean thing at you,

[kirklancaster]

He's an unfortunate looking soul isn't he

:joker::joker:

He could cone in handy for keeping an eye on 2 of her kids who were in different rooms at the same time Quasar. :laugh:

[Nedusa]

No amount of money would make me vote UKIP.

Why....?????

Oh you actually enjoy watching your Country being sold down the river with endless mass uncontrolled immigration.

I despair at some people's thinking .... Lol

[joeysteele]

I just cannot see any purpose for UKIP once this referendum is done, fine as a continuing EU party being elected to the European parliament,even then however, the sting of them demanding the UK leave the EU will be gone.

If the UK disastrously votes to leave the EU, then UKIP are one of the last ones needed then too to do anything to deal with the chaos that would leave for the UK.
I really do believe too,that immigration will not be the issue it was at this election by 2020.
I do think the main parties will both have more sound policies as to that and also as much that can be done, will have been done by this govt. in power now

As to all other social policies and the NHS and Education,both main parties will have policies as to those which will either in part have some UKIP ideas or be totally opposed to UKIP ideas.
UKIP could not get their message across this election passed,I can't see in that scenario how they would ever get it across in 2020.

Their candidates, near all, fell way short of taking any seat.
Even Douglas Carswell's majority was well cut in his too, despite his massive personal vote there.

I could never see myself voting for UKIP, there are those who were possibly Labour voters,who already regret voting UKIP now.
The Conservative party will have this referendum issue settled once and for all and for a long time into the future too.
Former Conservative voters then who went to UKIP are likely to return to the Conservatives in 2020.

I actually could believe that in 2020,we may be back to a stronger 2 party situation between the Conservatives and Labour again.
People have tried in big numbers, (3,800,000 for UKIP and over 1,000,000 for the Greens), voting for the smaller parties this time and ended up with a Conservative majority govt.

I just cannot see what UKIPs message can be,that will have any real significance, once the referendum is done.
Also if the UK votes to stay in and little has changed as to immigration from the EU except for claiming benefits, then even in that scenario, UKIP cannot claim to be able to do any more as to that either.
What can they possibly stand for, that the other main 2 parties won't be standing for.

With getting around 13% of the votes in this election,which is well down on what they achieve in European elections,with the moves back to the main 2 parties too,I doubt UKIP may reach double figures as to votes in 2020.
After immigration policy is settled and the EU membership issue well settled too.

[Kizzy]

Why....?????

Oh you actually enjoy watching your Country being sold down the river with endless mass uncontrolled immigration.

I despair at some people's thinking .... Lol

Doesn't Cameron want us out of the EU, what would that mean if we force ourselves to do a bit of forward thinking?
We would be trading with the rest of the world, and in forming those trade agreements could there be provisos on freedom of movement....
I despair too, as far as I see it UKIP want you to look as far as the end of your nose and no further.