After tonights show: Should he have been ejected- Yes or No?

[T*]

new poll :pipe:

[Niamh.]

its not finished yet

[T*]

its not finished yet

the incident has now

[Glenn.]

I haven't watched yet so I don't know lul

[T*]

what a bloody mountain out a molehill that was

[Niamh.]

Depends what Joel says to BB I think, If he feels really uncomfortable then yes it was the right choice

[Jake.]

Yeah, had it been a female being flashed at, the whole reaction of everyone would have been completely different (seen as far less of a joke)

[Cherie]

**** off Joel you were inviting that

[Headie]

I'd say yes, which is a shame as he's a great housemate. Joel was clearly uncomfortable

[Drew.]

**** off Joel you were inviting that

You're having a laugh, you must be.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, right choice

[Cherie]

Yeah, had it been a female being flashed at, the whole reaction of everyone would have been completely different (seen as far less of a joke)


Behave everyone was encouraging Aaron

[Liam-]

Yes absolutely, it was awful

[Shaun]

I don't vilify him but yeah probably for the best...

[Cherie]

You're having a laugh, you must be.

At what point did he say no? He was laughing as was everyone else

[divergent]

Behave everyone was encouraging Aaron

And that makes it ok?????? lol

[T*]

i think he was doing it in a jokingly way but it was still wrong what he did- I don't think it deserved an immediate ejection though.. He seemed to have stopped as soon as bb said so

[Moosething]

Yes

[Cherie]

And that makes it ok?????? lol


Joel had no problem putting Jade in her place, he threw a merry Aaron under the bus to save himself

[Beetlejuice]

i think he was doing it in a jokingly way but it was still wrong what he did- I don't think it deserved an immediate ejection though.. He seemed to have stopped as soon as bb said so

Exactly. The guy stopped and was apologetic over it all. That should have been the end of it and any sane person could have seen that

[Liam-]

This country must be full of the most hysterical morons on the planet if they think that deserved a person being kicked out over.

They fill them up with alcohol, the rest of the housemates were egging him on and he loses his place!

Pathetic. Utterly pathetic.

The other housemates might have been egging him on, doesn't mean he had to do it, he deserved to be ejected.

[Drew.]

At what point did he say no? He was laughing as was everyone else

Thats crazy.. he looked so awkward during the whole thing, there was embarrassment written all over his face. Hes in a room full of people laughing at a naked man jumping all over him, i can't blame him for the way he reacted.. his anger was clear to see when he was alone.

[Shaun]

He asked him to stop multiple times :umm2: I don't understand the confusion

[bots]

completely justified ejection

[Withano]

Yes.

[lily.]

At what point did he say no? He was laughing as was everyone else

Several times.

Victim blaming at its best here Cherie.

[LukeB]

**** off Joel you were inviting that

His uncomfortable look says different.

[reece(:]

No, he should have been given a slap on the wrist and an alcohol ban.

I said exactly the same for Jeremy in CBB.

[jaxie]

I think ejecting Aaron was the right thing to do. What is interesting is how many people freaked out because a man touched a woman's robe in CBB but some think they over reacted over Aaron. Is it double standards because Joel is a boy? He wasn't encouraging Aaron he was obviously embarrassed and didn't know how to react.

[Moosething]

At what point did he say no? He was laughing as was everyone else

Are you serious?

He was saying stop from the start

[ebandit]

aaron is in a game show he knows the rules they were broken...........goodbye!

Mark L

[Locke.]

I think this has been building up for a week or two now. Aaron has constantly pushed the whole flirting thing between them despite being told Joel is not interested multiple times. The other housemates are to blame as well, they've been pushing it just as much and even in tonight's show tried to force them into kissing (Kieran was the only one that told Joel not to do it if he didn't want to, everybody else was near enough forcing their lips together) and laughing when he was being jumped all over by a naked man. It is uncalled for and wrong. Deserved ejection.

[y.winter]

Yes, it is right in every possible way.
Horrible to watch.

[lily.]

I think this has been building up for a week or two now. Aaron has constantly pushed the whole flirting thing between them despite being told Joel is not interested multiple times. The other housemates are to blame as well, they've been pushing it just as much and even in tonight's show tried to force them into kissing (Kieran was the only one that told Joel not to do it if he didn't want to, everybody else was near enough forcing their lips together) and laughing when he was being jumped all over by a naked man. It is uncalled for and wrong. Deserved ejection.


All of this.

[Natalie.]

I think this has been building up for a week or two now. Aaron has constantly pushed the whole flirting thing between them despite being told Joel is not interested multiple times. The other housemates are to blame as well, they've been pushing it just as much and even in tonight's show tried to force them into kissing (Kieran was the only one that told Joel not to do it if he didn't want to, everybody else was near enough forcing their lips together) and laughing when he was being jumped all over by a naked man. It is uncalled for and wrong. Deserved ejection.

I agree with all of this really

[Jamesy]

Yes it was the right thing.

If the other housemates intervened and stopped Aaron instead of laughing and egging him on then Aaron would probably still be in that house.

[Drew.]

Thank god Joel didn't kiss Aaron during spin the bottle, the anti joel brigade would be out in full force claiming he was gagging for it. Joel continually rejecting Aaron over the series is proof he had no interest and felt awkward being in his company.

[Daniel-X]

I'm indifferent because even though I think what Aaron did crossed the line but I do think that some housemates haven't been removed in the last and have done worse things. But if Jeremy got removed in January for what he did so it was only fair because it was just as bad.

[smudgie]

Yes.
He deserved the removal.
He was lucky not to get a thumping to be honest, poor Joel was clearly uncomfortable with it.


Now to see Harriet Harridan evicted tomorrow.

[DemolitionRed]

Yes, he had to go. Let the rest of the house feel guilty that they encouraged this...shame on them.

[Beetlejuice]

Right, I'm now done. I was almost done years ago when Emily was removed. That was pathetic and the fact its viewers actually think that wasn't an over the top punishment of the guy just makes me realize this show is for people who live on another planet to me.

[Ant.]

**** off Joel you were inviting that

Inviting it?
Did he enjoy it?
No
Did he explicitly say: "Aaron, show me my dick"?
No
He didn't say anything like that he was clearly disgusted and uncomfortable and he told him multiple times not to

[Glenn.]

Right, I'm now done. I was almost done years ago when Emily was removed. That was pathetic and the fact its viewers actually think that wasn't an over the top punishment of the guy just makes me realize this show is for people who live on another planet to me.

Bye then

[jackc1806]

Whatever Joel's sexuality Aaron should have left him alone

[MrWong]

Aaron's boot was deserved.

The rest of the housemates should be punished for laughing at and encouraging him.

[joeysteele]

Personally I would have given him a warning and then out at any of the slightest further inappropriate attention to Joel from him.

I can see why they did eject him however, Joel did say stop it more than once and he should have not continued then.

[Patricia4]

Yes he was out of order.

[billy123]

Right, I'm now done. I was almost done years ago when Emily was removed. That was pathetic and the fact its viewers actually think that wasn't an over the top punishment of the guy just makes me realize this show is for people who live on another planet to me.Whats the world coming to when a man cant even expose himself in public and rub his genitals on a teenage boy. FFS do you even know how ridiculous it is what you are defending.

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[Josy]

**** off Joel you were inviting that

Seriously Cherie? the boy was clearly uncomfortable with the entire thing, he's been uncomfortable with Aarons behaviour towards him for two weeks I genuinely have no idea how you can think he was inviting that.

[rusticgal]

Aaron pushed the boundaries tonight...he deserved to go. I know the other housemates..or some of them were laughing...but he has been pushing Joel with sexual innuendos for some time. Joel has made it clear that he is not interested to the point of being uncomfortable. I don't think Joel knew how to react... Had Joel said to BB that it was harmless fun then Aaronn might have got away with a warning. BB did the right thing. Aaron does not know where to draw the line.
He knew he had overstepped the mark when he was called to the DR.
Enough said...

[Rob!]

Joel top trend in the UK :clap1:

[jaxie]

Think about it from another perspective. If Joel was a 19 year old female virgin and Danny or one of the other boys acted like that everyone would be outraged. It makes no difference that Joel is a boy its the same situation

[Kizzy]

Seriously Cherie? the boy was clearly uncomfortable with the entire thing, he's been uncomfortable with Aarons behaviour towards him for two weeks I genuinely have no idea how you can think he was inviting that.

The way they share a bath every evening?

[RockBottom]

Joel definitely threw Aaron under the bus. With friends like Joel who needs enemies :spin:

[Beetlejuice]

Think about it from another perspective. If Joel was a 19 year old female virgin and Danny or one of the other boys acted like that everyone would be outraged. It makes no difference that Joel is a boy its the same situation

Why think of it another way, when it's a different situation.

The disease of "Equality" is rotting away at this country imo.

[Kizzy]

Joel definitely threw Aaron under the bus. With friends like Joel who needs enemies :spin:

This is how I think about it too.

[Locke.]

The way they share a bath every evening?

Nick and Jack share baths too. Does that mean Nick wants Jack to rub his naked body all over him?

[Josy]

The way they share a bath every evening?

Yes because Joel looked completely comfortable in the bath earlier in tonight's highlights didn't he?

Joel and Nick normally share baths, Aaron goes in and makes Joel feel uncomfortable intentionally

[lissydoll]

I don't think aaron should have been ejected. Those 2 are quite flirty with each other. I do agree aaron should have been warned but I feel bb is at fault for not intervening sooner if they thought out of hand. That would have saved Joel feeling helpless and aaron feeling embarrassed about his actions, I didn't like seeing how distraught he was and felt bb just used both of them for what they consider entertainment!

[Cherie]

Seriously Cherie? the boy was clearly uncomfortable with the entire thing, he's been uncomfortable with Aarons behaviour towards him for two weeks I genuinely have no idea how you can think he was inviting that.

Throwing a cushion? Smiling and laughing, he literally had no problem telling Jade what he thought of her, why so reticent with Aaron?

[Josy]

Throwing a cushion? Smiling and laughing, he literally had no problem telling Jade what he thought of her, why so reticent with Aaron?

He has told Aaron though, and he said himself he had no idea how to react to Aaron during that whole thing, anyone could see how uncomfortable he was during it all.

[Beetlejuice]

Whats the world coming to when a man cant even expose himself in public and rub his genitals on a teenage boy. FFS do you even know how ridiculous it is what you are defending.

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Both of them have agreed to be on a show in which drunken shenanigans are known to go on every year. Joel was throwing pillows at Aaron and laughing along with other housemates. Yes, he was uncomfortable, but he was hardly being abused.

It was right for BB to put an end to the behaviour and give Aaron a warning, but to actually remove him for that is unbelievable to me. You see worse than thet going on between players in sports teams after the match.

[Beetlejuice]

I think some people fear that some of us are attacking Joel, but I'm certainly not. I was quite impressed with him refusing to be pressured into anything tonight, and I didn't like him being singled out the way he was. But it's just all so over the top it's crazy to me.

[jaxie]

Both of them have agreed to be on a show in which drunken shenanigans are known to go on every year. Joel was throwing pillows at Aaron and laughing along with other housemates. Yes, he was uncomfortable, but he was hardly being abused.

It was right for BB to put an end to the behaviour and give Aaron a warning, but to actually remove him for that is unbelievable to me. You see worse than thet going on between players in sports teams after the match.
That was a step quite far beyond drunken shenanigans.

[Beetlejuice]

That was a step quite far beyond drunken shenanigans.

No it was not.

[M X]

Yes. And it shocked me that not one of the housemates stood up and said 'This has gone too far' when Joel was clearly uncomfortable.

[M X]

Both of them have agreed to be on a show in which drunken shenanigans are known to go on every year. Joel was throwing pillows at Aaron and laughing along with other housemates. Yes, he was uncomfortable, but he was hardly being abused.

It was right for BB to put an end to the behaviour and give Aaron a warning, but to actually remove him for that is unbelievable to me. You see worse than thet going on between players in sports teams after the match.

You are wrong.

[Razor]

Aaron went too far but I don't believe he should of been kicked out unless Joel really couldn't spend any more time in the house with him.

I will say that I am not surprised this has happened and Aaron should of been warned a before this by BB and maybe this might not of happened.

[Beetlejuice]

Poll on Digital Spy...

Did Aaron Deserve To Get Removed ?

View Poll Results: Did Aaron Deserve To Get Removed ?
Yes He Did Deserve To Get Removed 139 49.64%
No He Should Have Just Got A Warning 129 46.07%
He Shouldn't Have Even Got A Warning 12 4.29%
Voters: 280. You can't vote on this poll right now - are you signed in?

[Jamesy]

Yes. And it shocked me that not one of the housemates stood up and said 'This has gone too far' when Joel was clearly uncomfortable.
That shocked me too. They all just sat there watching or laughed. I'm really surprised no one stepped in to hold Aaron back.

[YourLAEx]

One hundred and ten percent yes. He (and Harriet) were acting completely unacceptably and Joel was clearly uncomfortable with the situation.

[Kizzy]

Nick and Jack share baths too. Does that mean Nick wants Jack to rub his naked body all over him?

If I felt uncomfortable with someone probably the last thing in the world I would do is share a bath with them.

[Gypsy]

yes he is a gross disgusting prick!

[Denver]

Joel definitely threw Aaron under the bus. With friends like Joel who needs enemies :spin:

Yes because Joel made Aaron do those things

[Mystic Mock]

Of course not.

When was having a laugh a crime? Especially when Joel was pretending to find it funny?

[Vicky.]

Yup. He definitely went too far.

Also he appears to have a problem with alcohol, which contributed a lot. Not that thats an excuse but still...

[Vicky.]

Of course not.

When was having a laugh a crime? Especially when Joel was pretending to find it funny?

Would you find it funny if a man who had been persuing you for days despite being told you weren't gay, who you had refused to kiss just hours earlier in a game of truth or dare as you were uncomfortable... then decided to start thrusting at you naked and bending you over? Really...

[bots]

Of course not.

When was having a laugh a crime? Especially when Joel was pretending to find it funny?

Are you familiar with nervous laughter?, do you honestly think Joel looked comfortable?

[Tom4784]

He went too far, it was the right decision to boot him out.

[Mystic Mock]

Would you find it funny if a man who had been persuing you for days despite being told you weren't gay, who you had refused to kiss just hours earlier in a game of truth or dare as you were uncomfortable... then decided to start thrusting at you naked and bending you over? Really...

I actually would've had a sense of humour and probably flirted back for a laugh.

Joel in his own insecurity of his own sexuality let himself down tonight in my eyes.

[Liam-]

I actually would've had a sense of humour and probably flirted back for a laugh.

Joel in his own insecurity of his own sexuality let himself down tonight in my eyes.

Are you actually having a ****ing laugh? That's possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard all night.

[Jake.]

I actually would've had a sense of humour and probably flirted back for a laugh.

Joel in his own insecurity of his own sexuality let himself down tonight in my eyes.

Sorry Mock but that's ludicrous

[Mystic Mock]

Are you actually having a ****ing laugh? That's possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard all night.

No the most ridiculous comments tonight are the people that want rigid BB's.

[Shaun]

He wasn't in any position to let anyone down lmao it's hardly his fault if the other mess can't control himself.

[Liam-]

No the most ridiculous comments tonight are the people that want rigid BB's.

People are ridiculous for wanting BB to punish people who sexually assault people? Okay then

[Mystic Mock]

Sorry Mock but that's ludicrous

How?

I normally like Joel, but that was appalling tonight from him.

Who remembers the Ch4 days when we had Michelle Bass, Craig Coates, Lea BB7, Richard BB7, Mario BB11, they would all be thrown out in these BB's because they dared to not discuss showmances or how they're growing as people like it's an episode of EastEnders.

[Mystic Mock]

People are ridiculous for wanting BB to punish people who sexually assault people? Okay then

And when people call that sexual assault is probably the reason why Ch5 have turned BB into EastEnders.

[Amy Jade]

No.

Although I do see why they did, Joel played along and egged him on in my opinion and then changed tac in the diary room. I'm aware he looked uncomfortable and asked Aaron to stop but he then threw pillows and stuff play fighting.

[Liam-]

Mock sorry, but you're wrong, you need to learn the difference between casual nakedness and sexual harassment/assault, those people didn't do anything near what Aaron did.

[Vicky.]

I actually would've had a sense of humour and probably flirted back for a laugh.

Joel in his own insecurity of his own sexuality let himself down tonight in my eyes.

See I feel the total opposite :laugh:

He has laughed off Aarons behaviour in the past which tbh tells me he IS quite secure about being straight. There is a point, where it crosses the line, and tonight Aaron did. I don't find it fair at all to blame Joel :S

[rionablue]

Yes. Joel asked him to stop and tried to get away from him. Even when he went into the bathroom Aaron jumped into his bed.

[Mystic Mock]

Mock sorry, but you're wrong, you need to learn the difference between casual nakedness and sexual harassment/assault, those people didn't do anything near what Aaron did.

Trust me I'm not wrong.

Aaron's behaviour wasn't much different to Dappy, Luisa, or Perez in their sexual outbursts.

[BENDERBOY]

Totally justified, if a guy had done that to a girl he'd have been out on the spot.

[Withano]

I actually would've had a sense of humour and probably flirted back for a laugh.

Joel in his own insecurity of his own sexuality let himself down tonight in my eyes.

Mock, you need to understand that people are comfortable with different levels of hyper sexuality. You might personally be fine with a friend thrusting a naked body towards you but surely you can understand that many people will not feel the same.
Joel didn't let himself down and if you or anybody else were ever put in a situation where a person oversteps a line, then that person deserves some sort of punishment.
For instance, flashing a stripper in a strip club would probably only get you kicked out the bar, doing the same thing to a nun in a church would give you jail time.
It is not about the act, it is about the perception. And not the perception of the onlookers, the perception of the victim.
Aaron was rightly removed from the house in this instance.

[Mystic Mock]

Totally justified, if a guy had done that to a girl he'd have been out on the spot.

Well I can't argue for other people, but I defended Jeremy in the last CBB when he touched Chloe's robe, and the last time I checked Chloe was a girl, a very ****able one while at it.:evilgrin:

Oops! BB have just stopped me from being one of the 4 Housemates coming in tomorrow night due to my posts about another female.

[Black Dagger]

Youre embarrassing yourself luv.

[Mystic Mock]

Mock, you need to understand that people are comfortable with different levels of hyper sexuality. You might personally be fine with a friend thrusting a naked body towards you but surely you can understand that many people will not feel the same.
Joel didn't let himself down and if you or anybody else were ever put in a situation where a person oversteps a line, then that person deserves some sort of punishment.
For instance, flashing a stripper in a strip club would probably only get you kicked out the bar, doing the same thing to a nun in a church would give you jail time.
It is not about the act, it is about the perception. And not the perception of the onlookers, the perception of the victim.
Aaron was rightly removed from the house in this instance.

I get what you're saying, but that's why I would've given Aaron a warning, maybe even a first and final warning if BB felt that it was really bad.

[Withano]

I get what you're saying, but that's why I would've given Aaron a warning, maybe even a first and final warning if BB felt that it was really bad.

Joel made it evidentially clear that he was uncomfortable with Aaron's hyper sexuality before, during and after the incedent. To me this justifies the ejection, I think many people would consider a first and final warning as too lenient

[Liam-]

Trust me I'm not wrong.

Aaron's behaviour wasn't much different to Dappy, Luisa, or Perez in their sexual outbursts.

No you're wrong, end of story really, your opinion on this matter is vile and actually rather worrying.

[MB.]

Well I can't argue for other people, but I defended Jeremy in the last CBB when he touched Chloe's robe, and the last time I checked Chloe was a girl, a very ****able one while at it.:evilgrin:

...I don't think that's helping much...

[Mystic Mock]

No you're wrong, end of story really, your opinion on this matter is vile and actually rather worrying.

Why is it worrying? Because I'm not some prude that takes a drunken guys antics so seriously when he thought that him and Joel was having a laugh together?

[Tom4784]

Mock, stop playing up to this character that you think people like. Nobody is laughing, nobody is entertained.

[Liam-]

Why is it worrying? Because I'm not some prude that takes a drunken guys antics so seriously when he thought that him and Joel was having a laugh together?

No that you think a man rubbing his naked body up against someone who was clearly uncomfortable after he had been told multiple times to stop, that's what is worrying.. And the fact that you backed up your opinion by stating that you supported Jeremy in the whole debacle of CBB15 as well, that's what is worrying, it's not clever and it's not smart to victim blame, it's horrid and pathetic.

[Mystic Mock]

...I don't think that's helping much...

The end part of that paragraph was to lead into my sarcastic part of that post.

[Mystic Mock]

Mock, stop playing up to this character that you think people like. Nobody is laughing, nobody is entertained.

Okay Dezzy.:joker:

If you can't handle different opinions like a grown-up then I'll come back on later as I'm hugary anyway and can't be bothered to keep arguing over a scripted event on a scripted Reality Show.

We're all just falling for what Ch5 wants here by discussing it.

[Amy Jade]

Wow at the nastiness towards Mock just for not pandering to common opinion.

[Tom4784]

Okay Dezzy.:joker:

If you can't handle different opinions like a grown-up then I'll come back on later as I'm hugary anyway and can't be bothered to keep arguing over a scripted event on a scripted Reality Show.

We're all just falling for what Ch5 wants here by discussing it.

It's not a matter of opinion, it was pretty much a sexual assault. If you can't see what's wrong with what Aaron did tonight then every adult in your life has failed you.

[ThriceShy]

It's not a matter of opinion, it was pretty much a sexual assault. If you can't see what's wrong with what Aaron did tonight then every adult in your life has failed you.


My opinion is that it wasn't a sexual assault. I am entitled to hold that opinion too.

If it was a sexual assault then the police would be involved. Joel admitted today that he wanted aaron to come back and feels responsible for him leaving.

[Kizzy]

It's not a matter of opinion, it was pretty much a sexual assault. If you can't see what's wrong with what Aaron did tonight then every adult in your life has failed you.

That's a really rude nasty thing to say dezzy, I happen to agree that Aaron should still be in there and a warning would suffice. My parents didn't fail me I rationalised the situation.

[Tom4784]

My opinion is that it wasn't a sexual assault. I am entitled to hold that opinion too.

If it was a sexual assault then the police would be involved. Joel admitted today that he wanted aaron to come back and feels responsible for him leaving.

And I'm entitled to think that your opinion is rubbish.

Aaron flashed him multiple times, he invaded Joel's personal space, he got into bed with him naked all while Joel was making it abundantly clear that he didn't want any of it. Sounds like a sexual assault to me.

[ThriceShy]

And I'm entitled to think that your opinion is rubbish.

Aaron flashed him multiple times, he invaded Joel's personal space, he got into bed with him naked all while Joel was making it abundantly clear that he didn't want any of it. Sounds like a sexual assault to me.


And I am entitled to think your opinion is rubbish. And what's more, I can do it without claiming the adults in your life have failed you. I can get my opinion over without hurling insults.

So if it is a sexual assault then why aren't the police involved? Why has joel said he feels responsible for aaron leaving and wants him back?

[Beetlejuice]

Aaron flashed him multiple times

Which resulted in Joel and everyone else laughing.


he invaded Joel's personal space, he got into bed with him naked all while Joel was making it abundantly clear that he didn't want any of it. Sounds like a sexual assault to me.

Sounds like a drunken idiot who has been playfully flirting with Joel for 2 and half weeks getting a bit carried away. It was right to call him to the diary room and to tell him to stop and it was right for Aaron to apologize. It didn't need to go any further than that. To refer to it as a "sexual assault" is to be so lacking in perspective I find it amusing.

[Rob!]

Yeah, it's a shame because it was just drunken messing around that went too far, but if a man had done that to a woman, the same would and should have happened. Hopefully it teaches Aaron a valuable lesson about boundaries.
People saying Joel did nothing to discourage it need to remember that he had the rest of the house, including the people he's close to, laughing and encouraging Aaron and sometimes in a situation like that, the easiest thing to do is try and laugh with it.

[Tom4784]

People wouldn't be so quick to defend Aaron if Joel was a girl. I'm guessing the truth of the matter is that people think that Joel's gay and that somehow makes what Aaron did okay. Joel was nervously laughing because he was wildly uncomfortable, laughter is not consent, especially when Joel made it clear that he wanted Aaron to stop.

[Chero]

I think that Big Brother should have given a warning, but that they should have given him a warning last week. I defo think Aaron deserved to go. His whole attitude towards Joel for days has been very provocative. Joel has clearly been uncomfortable with it all along. It definitely stepped over the line. Is it only me that was appalled at the housemates going on and on egging Joel to kiss Aaron, even though Joel made it clear he was uncomfortable with it? Maybe that would have been a good point for BB to throw in a warning.

[Beetlejuice]

Yeah, it's a shame because it was just drunken messing around that went too far, but if a man had done that to a woman, the same would and should have happened. Hopefully it teaches Aaron a valuable lesson about boundaries.

Joel isn't a woman. and men and women are different.

People saying Joel did nothing to discourage it need to remember that he had the rest of the house, including the people he's close to, laughing and encouraging Aaron and sometimes in a situation like that, the easiest thing to do is try and laugh with it.

Yes, we understand he was uncomfortable. But it was over with the moment BB intervened and that should have been that apart from maybe a warning.

[Beetlejuice]

People wouldn't be so quick to defend Aaron if Joel was a girl.

Yes, but Joel isn't a girl, so so what?


I'm guessing the truth of the matter is that people think that Joel's gay and that somehow makes what Aaron did okay.

Has anyone said that?

Joel was nervously laughing because he was wildly uncomfortable, laughter is not consent, especially when Joel made it clear that he wanted Aaron to stop.

There were times when he was genuinely amused. Nobody disagrees that Aaron was going over the top, but to kick him out for it was ridiculous.

[T*]

oh my god what is happening here

[ThriceShy]

People wouldn't be so quick to defend Aaron if Joel was a girl. I'm guessing the truth of the matter is that people think that Joel's gay and that somehow makes what Aaron did okay. Joel was nervously laughing because he was wildly uncomfortable, laughter is not consent, especially when Joel made it clear that he wanted Aaron to stop.

Joel never made it clear that he wanted him to stop. He laughed along, threw pillows at aaron and chased after aaron pretending to kick him. If I was being "sexually assaulted" then I would be running away from the assailant, not towards him.

The reason aaron carried on was because joel didn't give him any real indication that he was unhappy with it.

[Kizzy]

People wouldn't be so quick to defend Aaron if Joel was a girl. I'm guessing the truth of the matter is that people think that Joel's gay and that somehow makes what Aaron did okay. Joel was nervously laughing because he was wildly uncomfortable, laughter is not consent, especially when Joel made it clear that he wanted Aaron to stop.

Guess again, you can project any hypothetical scenario you like, I'm reacting to the situation as it is and as I saw it.

[Withano]

oh my god what is happening here

People are defending one mans right to sexually assault others if he was "only 'avain a laugh"

[ThriceShy]

People are defending one mans right to sexually assault others if he "was only 'avain a laugh"

You really believe that Joel was sexually assaulted?

Joel appears to not agree with you. He hasn't made a police complaint and he says he feels responsible for aaron leaving.

[Rob!]

Joel isn't a woman. and men and women are different.

Considering how much you hate the show I'm frankly amazed you're still here to give such an idiotic opinion. Maybe live feed would have made me see a borderline sexual assault differently. Those editors :fist:

[Withano]

You really believe that Joel was sexually assaulted?

Joel appears to not agree with you. He hasn't made a police complaint and he says he feels responsible for aaron leaving.

Sexual assault.. As in without consent.. Yes? That's hard to disagree with by anybody's standards

[Withano]

What I find most astonishing about this thread is that people think that their own opinions are more important than Joel's.

Bottom line is: if the victim was made uncomfortable, then the persecutor was in the wrong.

Joel made it crystal ****ing clear that the advances were unwelcome and the line is not up for anybody but Joel to determine.

[ThriceShy]

Sexual assault.. As in without consent.. Yes? That's hard to disagree with by anybody's standards

The definition of sexual assault that I am familiar with is the one where someone criminally assaults another person in a sexual fashion.

Joel feels responsible for aaron leaving so is he responsible for being assaulted? Or are you just overreacting and this wasn't actually an assault?

[Kizzy]

What I find most astonishing about this thread is that people think that their own opinions are more important than Joel's.

Bottom line is: if the victim was made uncomfortable, then the persecutor was in the wrong.

Joel made it crystal ****ing clear that the advances were unwelcome and the line is not up for anybody but Joel to determine.

Nobody is saying that at all.
He was running around chucking stuff and laughing, at worst Aaron totally misread the situation...as did most of the people in the room seemingly.

It would have made it clearer if he had left the room and not participated in any naked bedroom antics at all.

[ThriceShy]

What I find most astonishing about this thread is that people think that their own opinions are more important than Joel's.

Bottom line is: if the victim was made uncomfortable, then the persecutor was in the wrong.

Joel made it crystal ****ing clear that the advances were unwelcome and the line is not up for anybody but Joel to determine.

I agree with the BIB.

Joel thinks that aaron should not have been evicted. Why do people think their opinion that he should have been is more important?

[Beetlejuice]

Considering how much you hate the show I'm frankly amazed you're still here to give such an idiotic opinion.

Pointing out that men and women are different is an "idiotic opinion". Okay.


Maybe live feed would have made me see a borderline sexual assault differently. Those editors :fist:

A "borderline sexual assault" :laugh:

[Rob!]

Pointing out that men and women are different is an "idiotic opinion". Okay.




A "borderline sexual assault" :laugh:

You consider a sexual assault to be what exactly?

[Beetlejuice]

What I find most astonishing about this thread is that people think that their own opinions are more important than Joel's.

Bottom line is: if the victim was made uncomfortable, then the persecutor was in the wrong.

Who is saying he wasn't in the wrong? We're just saying it was over the top to throw him out.

[ThriceShy]

Who is saying he wasn't in the wrong? We're just saying it was over the top to throw him out.

And Joel agrees with us.

[Beetlejuice]

You consider a sexual assault to be what exactly?

The worst you could say of that incident was that it was harassment. And a very minor example if so. And I'm not sure I'd even call it that.

[Beetlejuice]

And Joel agrees with us.

Has Joel said he agrees with Aaron being thrown out?

[Rob!]

The worst you could say of that incident was that it was harassment. And a very minor example if so. And I'm not sure I'd even call it that.

Ok, I can accept that - sexual harassment. But it's different because it was a man doing it to a man as opposed to if say Danny was doing it to one of the twins?

[mrflibble]

Relative to other behaviour that has gone unpunished and what other housemates have been ejected for, I don't think he should've been ejected. A warning would've been totally sufficient. Yes, he went too far but he thought he was having a laugh with a friend and it was in playful spirit. I'm not an Aaron fan and Joel was clearly uncomfortable and not inviting it, but the other housemates were egging Aaron on and laughing at it and to eject Aaron and not put any blame on the others is a bit unfair. I think a serious warning would've made Aaron take a look at his behaviour and stop it. It doesn't make any difference to me if it had been guy/girl or girl/guy; I think it's inappropriate behaviour, but not enough to eject someone for.

[Beetlejuice]

Ok, I can accept that - sexual harassment. But it's different because it was a man doing it to a man as opposed to if say Danny was doing it to one of the twins?

I think it would be worse if it was a man doing it to a young girl, yes. We men are used to seeing each other naked and messing around.

[Liam-]

I think it would be worse if it was a man doing it to a young girl, yes. We men are used to seeing each other naked and messing around.

Not all men are used to seeing other men naked and certainly not all men are used to having a naked guy rubbing up on them and trying to bend them over, stop generalising and trying to make what happened less serious to fit your own messed up views.

[Moya_shark]

Surely, a stern warning+ punishment would have been enough. No one remembers Bianca rolling around in sewage water last year? I bet some housemates fell uncomfortable then too. Aaron probably didn't deserve to get kicked out but I ain't mad at it.

[ThriceShy]

Has Joel said he agrees with Aaron being thrown out?

No he has said he doesn't agree with aaron being thrown out. I am on the same side as you. I am saying that Joel agrees with you and I that it shouldn't have been an ejection.

[Beetlejuice]

Not all men are used to seeing other men naked and certainly not all men are used to having a naked guy rubbing up on them and trying to bend them over, stop generalising and trying to make what happened less serious to fit your own messed up views.

What happened was not at all serious.

[Rob!]

I think it would be worse if it was a man doing it to a young girl, yes. We men are used to seeing each other naked and messing around.

Are we? :umm2:

But put things into perspective - Aaron made it clear he fancied Joel, then proceeded to do everything that we saw tonight. Joel says he is straight - which should be good enough for anyone - and that he felt uncomfortable with Aaron was doing.
Where is the difference? Are you saying that Joel should have toughned up and just dealt with what was going on?

[Beetlejuice]

No he has said he doesn't agree with aaron being thrown out. I am on the same side as you. I am saying that Joel agrees with you and I that it shouldn't have been an ejection.

Ah okay. Sorry.

[ThriceShy]

What happened was not at all serious.

Agreed.

I made the point earlier that in some previous series the incident probably wouldn't have made the highlights show.

It was some drunk people messing about, followed by sly joel seeing the chance to throw aaron under the bus in the diary room.

[Beetlejuice]

Are we? :umm2:

But put things into perspective - Aaron made it clear he fancied Joel, then proceeded to do everything that we saw tonight. Joel says he is straight - which should be good enough for anyone - and that he felt uncomfortable with Aaron was doing.
Where is the difference? Are you saying that Joel should have toughned up and just dealt with what was going on?

No, I think Aaron went too far, but it wasn't that serious and it was calmed down immediately by BB and a warning would have been sufficient. Kicking the guy out was absurd.

[Beetlejuice]

Agreed.

I made the point earlier that in some previous series the incident probably wouldn't have made the highlights show.

It was some drunk people messing about, followed by sly joel seeing the chance to throw aaron under the bus in the diary room.

I don't know if Joel was being sly. He was clearly fed up and I didn't like how the other housemates treated Joel during the spin the bottle game, and I can't stand Aaron, but I've never seen such an overreaction on this show to anything.

[Liam-]

I haven't got time for some of the, quite frankly, moronic and abhorrent opinions people have on this matter, victim shaming and blaming is never good, especially when it's clear as day that said victim has been sexually assaulted, it actually makes me worry about this world that people see fit to sympathise with the perpetrator and lay blame at the victims door.

Man or woman, nobody should have to deal with being made to feel uncomfortable, they shouldn't have to deal with perverts invading their personal space just because said person is drunk, or just because said person is the same sex as them, sexual harassment is sexual harassment and it should be death with properly and it has been, end of story, stop embarrassing yourselves.

[Beetlejuice]

I haven't got time for some of the, quite frankly, moronic and abhorrent opinions people have on this matter, victim shaming and blaming is never good, especially when it's clear as day that said victim has been sexually assaulted, it actually makes me worry about this world that people see fit to sympathise with the perpetrator and lay blame at the victims door.

Man or woman, nobody should have to deal with being made to feel uncomfortable, they shouldn't have to deal with perverts invading their personal space just because said person is drunk, or just because said person is the same sex as them, sexual harassment is sexual harassment and it should be death with properly.

I agree, the death penalty should be reintroduced for Aaron.

[ThriceShy]

I haven't got time for some of the, quite frankly, moronic and abhorrent opinions people have on this matter, victim shaming and blaming is never good, especially when it's clear as day that said victim has been sexually assaulted, it actually makes me worry about this world that people see fit to sympathise with the perpetrator and lay blame at the victims door.

Man or woman, nobody should have to deal with being made to feel uncomfortable, they shouldn't have to deal with perverts invading their personal space just because said person is drunk, or just because said person is the same sex as them, sexual harassment is sexual harassment and it should be death with properly and it has been, end of story, stop embarrassing yourselves.

So why has this "victim" said he feels responsible for aaron going, wants him back in and thinks he was a good friend and a good housemate? And why aren't the police involved? Doesn't everyone have a duty to make sure this dangerous sex attacker doesn't assault others in future?

[ThriceShy]

I agree, the death penalty should be reintroduced for Aaron.

Death by a thousand ******s?:joker:

The starred out word rhymes with runts.

[Beetlejuice]

So why has this "victim" said he feels responsible for aaron going, wants him back in and thinks he was a good friend and a good housemate? And why aren't the police involved? Doesn't everyone have a duty to make sure this dangerous sex attacker doesn't assault others in future?

Where has Joel said this?

[ThriceShy]

Where has Joel said this?

In the BB house. He is on big brother, you know.

[Beetlejuice]

In the BB house. He is on big brother, you know.

Yeah, yeah. Is there a video? I didn't watch BOTS

[the truth]

Trust me I'm not wrong.

Aaron's behaviour wasn't much different to Dappy, Luisa, or Perez in their sexual outbursts. It was totally different and you are totally wrong

[ThriceShy]

Yeah, yeah. Is there a video? I didn't watch BOTS

Yes but I can't remember where I watched it now. It might have been on bots actually.

You see him looking devastated and blaming himself and the other housemates telling him that it isn't his fault. And he goes into the diary room asking if aaron will be back.


You can see he did not want him to go at all.

All this stuff about sexual assault is utter hysterical nonsense from the PC brigade.

[Mystic Mock]

Wow at the nastiness towards Mock just for not pandering to common opinion.

Isn't that just the Dezzy and Liam way?

[Mystic Mock]

That's a really rude nasty thing to say dezzy, I happen to agree that Aaron should still be in there and a warning would suffice. My parents didn't fail me I rationalised the situation.

And Dezzy wonders why some members hate him.

For a Mod to his too petulant and rude.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think the issue is pretty clear-cut. Someone on another forum explained it best, using your penis to make someone else feel uncomfortable is certainly grounds for expulsion.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh another reason that Joel did that in the Diary Room was because he was scared about what would happen to his political career afterwards, understandable I suppose, but another Housemate has lost their place because of this action.

[RichardG]

With the extent to which it went, yes, he should've been removed.

I don't think it should have been let to go that far, he should've been called to the diary room straight away once he started 'flashing' as soon as it was clear Joel was uncomfortable (heck, he should've been warned days ago, then maybe he never wouldve tried this in the first place - even better!!). Equally everyone in the bedroom should've stopped laughing and encouraging him to continue. Then he could've been given a final warning and remained in the house, though of course there's nothing to say he wouldn't have just gone to the extreme he did tonight on some other day in the future anyway.

I don't think Aaron intended to be nasty, he probably messes around with his friends like that in a jokey way in his own circles. It just wasn't appropriate in the house and particularly with someone who clearly wasn't happy with it.

[billy123]

Well all i can say is lets hope that those people trying to defend Aarons actions dont ever have to listen to a teenage family member tell them how a bloke cornered them in a bedroom and exposed themselves and tried to rub their genitals against them and even though they told them to stop they just kept doing it.

I dare say you would be singing a different song then.

[Mystic Mock]

It was totally different and you are totally wrong

The Overreactors don't do themselves any favours stating their opinions as fact and insulting members earlier on for having a different opinion.

[Mystic Mock]

Well all i can say is lets hope that those people trying to defend Aarons actions dont ever have to listen to a teenage family member tell them how a bloke cornered them in a bedroom and exposed themselves and tried to rub their genitals against them and even though they told them to stop they just kept doing it.

I dare say you would be singing a different song then.

But that's a different scenario without seeing the context of it.

[Amy Jade]

The Overreactors don't do themselves any favours stating their opinions as fact and insulting members earlier on for having a different opinion.

I agree 100% Mock, passionate debate is fine but when people insinuate you were brought up wrong or are basically a fool for not following the popular opinion it's plain nastiness.

[Dollface]

It's not a matter of opinion, it was pretty much a sexual assault. If you can't see what's wrong with what Aaron did tonight then every adult in your life has failed you.

That's a bit harsh Dezzy

People should be able to express their opinions without someone/a mod basically insinuating they was bought up wrong

[Macie Lightfoot]

omfg the bolded part :joker:

[Liam-]

Isn't that just the Dezzy and Liam way?

Excuse you, when was I nasty? I said you were wrong, I wasn't nasty in the slightest, I'd prefer it if you didn't say otherwise tyvm.

I have never been remotely nasty to you, not to my knowledge anyway, so to say that it is 'my way' is bang out of order

[Withano]

That's a bit harsh Dezzy

People should be able to express their opinions without someone/a mod basically insinuating they was bought up wrong

Sometimes an opinion is just wrong though.

If it is your opinion that 2+2=5 or that people don't have the right to pray where they choose or that sexual assault is sometimes okay.. then your "opinion" is just incorrect and in all of these examples an adult should have taught each person right from wrong. Extreme or not, Dezzy had a point.

[Liam-]

Sometimes an opinion is just wrong though.

If it is your opinion that 2+2=5 or that people don't have the right to pray where they choose or that sexual assault is sometimes okay.. then your "opinion" is just incorrect and in all of these examples an adult should have taught each person right from wrong. Extreme or not, Dezzy had a point.

:clap1:

[Beetlejuice]

Sometimes an opinion is just wrong though.

If it is your opinion that 2+2=5 or that people don't have the right to pray where they choose or that sexual assault is sometimes okay.. then your "opinion" is just incorrect and in all of these examples an adult should have taught each person right from wrong. Extreme or not, Dezzy had a point.

Mathematical equations are slightly different to moral questions. Though I must say that to refer to what Aaron did as "Sexual Assault" looks as silly to me as saying 2 + 2 = 5.

[ThriceShy]

Sometimes an opinion is just wrong though.

If it is your opinion that 2+2=5 or that people don't have the right to pray where they choose or that sexual assault is sometimes okay.. then your "opinion" is just incorrect and in all of these examples an adult should have taught each person right from wrong. Extreme or not, Dezzy had a point.

Where has anyone claimed that sexual assault is OK?

It is my opinion that what occured wasn't a sexual assault. You can stamp your feet all you like but you won't take away my right to have that opinion.

[Amy Jade]

Mathamatical equations arent opinions...omg haha

[Amy Jade]

ThriceShy and beetlejuice: :worship:

[Dollface]

Sometimes an opinion is just wrong though.

If it is your opinion that 2+2=5 or that people don't have the right to pray where they choose or that sexual assault is sometimes okay.. then your "opinion" is just incorrect and in all of these examples an adult should have taught each person right from wrong. Extreme or not, Dezzy had a point.

2+2=5 isn't an opinion though, it's an incorrect math sum, lol. What happened tonight on BB wasn't sexual assault so anyone saying that Aaron shouldn't have been removed are in no way saying sexual assault is sometimes okay.

[Mystic Mock]

Excuse you, when was I nasty? I said you were wrong, I wasn't nasty in the slightest, I'd prefer it if you didn't say otherwise tyvm.

I have never been remotely nasty to you, not to my knowledge anyway, so to say that it is 'my way' is bang out of order

Fair enough, my mistake, I apologize.

I still standby Dezzy though, and anybody that thinks that his views on this are spot on should be infracted as well as Dezzy losing his Mod status.

[bots]

What i see is people taking a position that is controversial because they think it is hip and amusing to do so (not all, but in the main) It was a serious incident and the gravity of its nature should not be minimised in order to win a forum argument.

We can all argue until we are blue in the face, it doesn't matter one jot. It was deemed that Aaron over stepped the boundaries of acceptable behaviour by the producers of the show. That's it, if you don't like it, don't watch the show.

[Amy Jade]

What's controversial about saying what you think?

[Mystic Mock]

What i see is people taking a position that is controversial because they think it is hip and amusing to do so (not all, but in the main) It was a serious incident and the gravity of its nature should not be minimised in order to win a forum argument.

We can all argue until we are blue in the face, it doesn't matter one jot. It was deemed that Aaron over stepped the boundaries of acceptable behaviour by the producers of the show. That's it, if you don't like it, don't watch the show.

Don't worry I'm close to quitting this mess anyway.

And I can't take how nasty some people get in this series.

[ThriceShy]

What i see is people taking a position that is controversial because they think it is hip and amusing to do so (not all, but in the main) It was a serious incident and the gravity of its nature should not be minimised in order to win a forum argument.

We can all argue until we are blue in the face, it doesn't matter one jot. It was deemed that Aaron over stepped the boundaries of acceptable behaviour by the producers of the show. That's it, if you don't like it, don't watch the show.

But we are only agreeing with joel. He doesn't think aaron should have been removed.

Who are you to tell me that I can't agree with joel?

This was not a serious incident whatsoever. The police aren't involved. Joel blames himself and agrees that aaron should not have been ejected.

That is my position and you can argue til you are blue in the face but I am as entitled to hold my opinion as you are to hold yours.

[billy123]

Im not sure if we have a few perverted flashers on tibb or just very misguided Aaron fans either way trying rub your genitals on a teenage boy is disgusting and trying to defend it is just ludicrous.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqg8rosV1i1qj73e2o1_500.gif

[ThriceShy]

I wonder how much of a part homophobia plays in this, to be honest.

[Mystic Mock]

Well I do like to flash my 3DS around the place if that counts as a Flasher, Bobnot?:hehe:

And Aaron was never my favourite, Joel actually was until that episode.

[Mystic Mock]

Well I do like to flash my 3DS around the place if that counts as a Flasher, Bobnot?:hehe:

And Aaron was never my favourite, Joel actually was until that episode.

[ThriceShy]

I liked joel until I saw his sly throwing aaron under the bus in the diary room.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I mean, Joel sucks so if it took this for Mock to abandon that ship (even though Joel didn't rly do anything wrong) I'm okay with it

[Mystic Mock]

I wonder how much of a part homophobia plays in this, to be honest.

Oh you poor thing, you're gonna get every bad left wing stereotype thrown your way now for daring to open up these can of Worms.

[ThriceShy]

Oh you poor thing, you're gonna get every bad left wing stereotype thrown your way now for daring to open up these can of Worms.

I still think it is rife though. I think a lot of the revulsion towards aaron lies in his sexuality.

[billy123]

Well I do like to flash my 3DS around the place if that counts as a Flasher, Bobnot?:hehe:

And Aaron was never my favourite, Joel actually was until that episode.Come on though Mock you need to step outside the BB bubble it isnt just a soap opera you are an intelligent guy.
I will be honest after hearing about this i thought bollocks it is a publicity stunt there is no way he should have been thrown out for that but after seeing it there cant be any doubt That was bordering on criminal the getting thrown out was a certainty and the right thing.

You just cant do that. I feel bad for Aaron he obviously lacked the maturity to be in that house but it cant be defended.

[Withano]

This was not a serious incident whatsoever. The police aren't involved. Joel blames himself and agrees that aaron should not have been evicted.


The argument has always been, is it a serious enough of an incident to warrant an ejection. Why are you bringing the police up??

If You and Joel believe that Aaron shouldn't have been ejected then perhaps you should look at the poll results, realise that you are in the minority and rewatch what happened... Because what happened is an obvious example of rule-break and gross misconduct which has (up to now) only been justified in this thread as "avin a laugh" or "drunken banta" (to paraphrase).. obviously these are not good enough excuses. Clearly your opinion isn't popular, there are genuinely statistics which show precisely this at the top of the page every time that you post.

If you don't believe Aaron deserved an ejection, I personally believe you should start to question how efficient your moral-compass is and I'd encourage you to practice empathy more often.

[Amy Jade]

I'm now laughing at this thread.

[reece(:]

If you don't believe Aaron deserved an ejection, I personally believe you should start to question how efficient your moral-compass is and I'd encourage you to practice empathy more often.
Or you can understand other people may have different opinions to your own without being patronising.

The fact that I think he should have been warned and not ejected doesn't equate to me advocating sexual assault, good heavens :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think it's pretty clear that Joel is a closet case and there was definitely something between him and Aaron. However, being 19 and having your sexual confusion play out on national television must be terrifying to say the least, and I think it was pretty clear that Joel wasn't having whatever Aaron was serving. I think it's also pretty clear that Joel's laughter was nervous laughter, considering that this was a situation he never imagined himself in and probably never wanted to be in. And like I said, using your penis to make someone feel uncomfortable is certainly grounds for ejection. I really don't get what all the debate is over.

and btw this is coming from someone who hates Joel :3

[RichardG]

What i see is people taking a position that is controversial because they think it is hip and amusing to do so (not all, but in the main) It was a serious incident and the gravity of its nature should not be minimised in order to win a forum argument.

We can all argue until we are blue in the face, it doesn't matter one jot. It was deemed that Aaron over stepped the boundaries of acceptable behaviour by the producers of the show. That's it, if you don't like it, don't watch the show.

The majority of people on this forum disagrees with like 90% of the decisions made by producers but we still debate and argue over the issues, because that's what a forum is for. Nothing we discuss on here matters, it's all just for fun. If we had two choices with a tv show - to shut up and accept what the show tells us or simply stop watching - then this forum and every other one in existence would be almost empty. :laugh:

[ThriceShy]

The argument has always been, is it a serious enough of an incident to warrant an ejection. Why are you bringing the police up??

Because you guys keep saying that a serious sexual assault has occured.

If You and Joel believe that Aaron shouldn't have been ejected then perhaps you should look at the poll results, realise that you are in the minority and rewatch what happened...

Why on earth would I be interested in poll results? Truth is not a democracy.


Because what happened is an obvious example of rule-break and gross misconduct which has (up to now) only been justified in this thread as "avin a laugh" or "drunken banta" (to paraphrase).. obviously these are not good enough excuses. Clearly your opinion isn't popular, there are genuinely statistics which show precisely this at the top of the page every time that you post.


Why would I want my opinion to be popular? Do you seriously moderate your opinions to make them fall in line with the great unwashed? I am almost always glad that I don't agree with most of the people I encounter.

If you don't believe Aaron deserved an ejection, I personally believe you should start to question how efficient your moral-compass is and I'd encourage you to practice empathy more often.

Empathy with whom? The "victim" in this case, joel, agrees with me that aaron should not have been evicted. Does joel lack empathy with himself?

[Amy Jade]

Or you can understand other people may have different opinions to your own without being patronising.

The fact that I think he should have been warned and not ejected doesn't equate to me advocating sexual assault, good heavens :joker:
:clap1:

You wrote what I counldn't be arsed to.

[Ammi]

..it seemed to me that Joel didn't feel comfortable right from the kiss thing in truth or dare and maybe almost like Aaron felt some sort of 'rejection' there so kept pushing and pushing fuelled by alcohol and really had no awareness of Joel's feelings or wishes beyond him trying to force something that Joel wasn't comfortable with and invade his personal space...like he really just couldn't take that rejection of the kiss and wouldn't accept it so really focused on Joel...anyway, I thought it was completely the right decision to eject him, anything else would have just been wrong..it's an interesting 'group/pack' type situation though, that the other housemates were laughing and joking and not seeing how uncomfortable it was for Joel...and yeah, him laughing a bit himself and maybe as well because he completely didn't know what to do/how to react...

[QueenCharley]

Good riddance, Aaron was absolutely in the wrong. Joel was clearly uncomfortable and in past highlight shows you could see how edgy he felt when Aaron would repeatedly question his sexuality.

[Ammi]

I think it's pretty clear that Joel is a closet case and there was definitely something between him and Aaron. However, being 19 and having your sexual confusion play out on national television must be terrifying to say the least, and I think it was pretty clear that Joel wasn't having whatever Aaron was serving. I think it's also pretty clear that Joel's laughter was nervous laughter, considering that this was a situation he never imagined himself in and probably never wanted to be in. And like I said, using your penis to make someone feel uncomfortable is certainly grounds for ejection. I really don't get what all the debate is over.

and btw this is coming from someone who hates Joel :3

..that's a really good post, Macie..I really don't know whether Joel is gay or not, but either way really it doesn't matter because it has no bearing really on how obviously uncomfortable he looked with the whole thing..

[RichardG]

Or you can understand other people may have different opinions to your own without being patronising.

The fact that I think he should have been warned and not ejected doesn't equate to me advocating sexual assault, good heavens :joker:

:clap1:

I don't agree with the people saying he shouldn't have been removed but some of the comments in here are unnescessarily personal against the forum members. We're only here to discuss the housemates.

[Macie Lightfoot]

..that's a really good post, Macie..I really don't know whether Joel is gay or not, but either way really it doesn't matter because it has no bearing really on how obviously uncomfortable he looked with the whole thing..

thx Ammi. Obviously I can't say for certain that Joel's closeted but he's been pinging my gaydar for a while now. But you're absolutely right in that his sexual orientation doesn't change the situation.

[bots]

Don't worry I'm close to quitting this mess anyway.

And I can't take how nasty some people get in this series.

I'm not being nasty, I don't do nasty

[Withano]

Or you can understand other people may have different opinions to your own without being patronising.

The fact that I think he should have been warned and not ejected doesn't equate to me advocating sexual assault, good heavens :joker:

How much further would he had to have gone to justify an ejection? (Open question to everybody, not just Reece).

[reece(:]

How much further would he had to have gone to justify an ejection? (Open question to everybody, not just Reece).
If there was malicious intent.

A slap on the wrist and alcohol ban would have sufficed and he would have learnt his lesson. No one in the house wanted him to go but he let the alcohol get the better of him.

[Ammi]

thx Ammi. Obviously I can't say for certain that Joel's closeted but he's been pinging my gaydar for a while now. But you're absolutely right in that his sexual orientation doesn't change the situation.

..yeah my OH said that as well, that he was pinging his...but I think whatever his sexuality wouldn't really make any difference for me to what happened..I mean even if they did get baths together etc, that was Joel's choice and not something that was 'forced' on him..and if this was a male/female situation and a male doing to a female would Aaron did with Joel...and a situation in real life for instance, as in out of the BB house...it would never be an 'excuse' to say or think...well she/he was ok with this, so therefore this will be fine as well and within acceptability...not that anyone is saying that it was acceptable, but just I don't think that BB had any choice but to eject him...

[Ammi]

If there was malicious intent.

A slap on the wrist and alcohol ban would have sufficed and he would have learnt his lesson. No one in the house wanted him to go but he let the alcohol get the better of him.

..but a different intent wouldn't really change anything in terms of what happened, reece...it's not really something that would define what someone did, just because there was no malicious intent...it was an action...

[arista]

I haven't watched yet so I don't know lul


Thats no good they Cut Out
the Erect Cock


As Ofcom would have Massive Heart Attacks

[arista]

Im not sure if we have a few perverted flashers on tibb or just very misguided Aaron fans either way trying rub your genitals on a teenage boy is disgusting and trying to defend it is just ludicrous.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqg8rosV1i1qj73e2o1_500.gif


Bang On Right Bob

[Mystic Mock]

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I don't agree with the people saying he shouldn't have been removed but some of the comments in here are unnescessarily personal against the forum members. We're only here to discuss the housemates.

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Someone that I disagree with on this topic, but said their point very well.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not being nasty, I don't do nasty

I wasn't on about you.

[Cherie]

Relative to other behaviour that has gone unpunished and what other housemates have been ejected for, I don't think he should've been ejected. A warning would've been totally sufficient. Yes, he went too far but he thought he was having a laugh with a friend and it was in playful spirit. I'm not an Aaron fan and Joel was clearly uncomfortable and not inviting it, but the other housemates were egging Aaron on and laughing at it and to eject Aaron and not put any blame on the others is a bit unfair. I think a serious warning would've made Aaron take a look at his behaviour and stop it. It doesn't make any difference to me if it had been guy/girl or girl/guy; I think it's inappropriate behaviour, but not enough to eject someone for.

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[sungrass]

Behave everyone was encouraging Aaron

yeah a warning would have been sufficient

[Jay.]

yes, even though he was quite entertaining, he had to be ejected.

[-Sue-]

I think it was dealt with badly by Joel. He continued to laugh thus encouraging Aaron. BB could have dealt with it better & of course HMs encouraging Aron did not help either :( a sad loss to the BB house

[chuff me dizzy]

100% Yes

[Rorkimaru]

The problem is the producers not removing Aaron would be inadvertently saying that sort of behaviour is ok. Regardless of Joel being pompus and political he is a teenage virgin. Just because he is more mature in other ways doesn't mean he's happy having a lad hop on him.

It was a dumb mistake but it was sexual harassment. The police are not involved because Joel doesn't want them involved. Aaron was evicted because the producers deemed that sort of behaviour inappropriate and wanted to take a hard line stance on it. Joel was very clearly uncomfortable throughout the whole thing. Just because his discomfort manifested partially in laughter and he tried to play it down because he valued Aaron as a friend doesn't change it being sexual harassment.

[ThriceShy]

The problem is the producers not removing Aaron would be inadvertently saying that sort of behaviour is ok. Regardless of Joel being pompus and political he is a teenage virgin. Just because he is more mature in other ways doesn't mean he's happy having a lad hop on him.

It was a dumb mistake but it was sexual harassment. The police are not involved because Joel doesn't want them involved. Aaron was evicted because the producers deemed that sort of behaviour inappropriate and wanted to take a hard line stance on it. Joel was very clearly uncomfortable throughout the whole thing. Just because his discomfort manifested partially in laughter and he tried to play it down because he valued Aaron as a friend doesn't change it being sexual harassment.

If the bits in bold are true then why didn't big brother intervene at the beginning. Why did they let Joel be sexually harassed and assaulted?

[Withano]

yes, even though he was quite entertaining, he had to be ejected.

You gif is in perfect time with the drum beat of the song I'm listening to right now so I started watching your gif for like a minute and a half.

[Jay.]

You gif is in perfect time with the drum beat of the song I'm listening to right now so I started watching your gif for like a minute and a half.

:joker::joker:

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Yes he should have been removed, I found extremely uncomfortable watching it & I'm no prode, what really got me was the other HM's reactions, you can tell Moel was really uncomfortable about the whole & not one HM's, tol Aaron to stop it.

[jennyjuniper]

No, but BB should have called Aaron into the diary room earlier, because when they DID call him in, it came home to him that maybe he had gone too far. He was okay when he went back into the bedroom, apologised to Joel and got into bed.

[ThriceShy]

Yes he should have been removed, I found extremely uncomfortable watching it & I'm no prode, what really got me was the other HM's reactions, you can tell Moel was really uncomfortable about the whole & not one HM's, tol Aaron to stop it.

Nor did big brother. They could have stopped it 10 seconds in but didn't.

If Joel really looked as upset as people claim, all the way through it, then big brother must have seen that and deliberately ignored it.

[DemolitionRed]

Certain types of public nudity under UK law is deemed as "indecent exposure". This Act currently includes genital exposure with intent to shock a person/people and also includes "simulated sex/buggery" which is something Aaron did with Joel.
Such acts can carry penalty of up to two years imprisonment or a very hefty fine.

Every time something like this goes on in the house, the producers need time to talk to in house lawyers. It was likely legal advice that got Aaron evicted and not Joel reporting his disdain in the diary room.

[Rorkimaru]

If the bits in bold are true then why didn't big brother intervene at the beginning. Why did they let Joel be sexually harassed and assaulted?

I don't know. I wasn't in the room with those making the decision. People here have had difficulty reading Joel's discomfort, perhaps they did too. I saw it clearly having been in a similar situation but others may not have had that "luxury".

[wendywillow]

I think it was dealt with badly by Joel. He continued to laugh thus encouraging Aaron. BB could have dealt with it better & of course HMs encouraging Aron did not help either a sad loss to the BB house


aaron was drunk as well. I really wish Joel had shut it down while it was happening but I guess its hard when everyone is laughing along. BB had to evict aaron tho, esp after joel said he was that uncomfortable.

[Vicky.]

@AARON_FREW @bbuk yeah same!! we should all get #GetAaronIn trending and #GetJoelOut

@AARON_FREW @bbuk that's how it should be! Joel is the reason Aaron is out along with Harriet for egging him on

@AARON_FREW @bbuk Joel reacted to him by hitting Aaron with a shoe though!! Joel needs to be out too for violence����

Aarons latest retweets...so yeah. No remorse, finding someone else to blame, and being the bitter egotistical twat I always thought he was. Shame on me for feeling a bit sorry for him and thinking the a squeaky apology just might be genuine...

[Liam-]

He's an actual bellend, anyone who supports him or buys into the 'Joel's to blame' story is just as bad as he is imo, vile.

[sungrass]

The problem is the producers not removing Aaron would be inadvertently saying that sort of behaviour is ok. Regardless of Joel being pompus and political he is a teenage virgin. Just because he is more mature in other ways doesn't mean he's happy having a lad hop on him.

It was a dumb mistake but it was sexual harassment. The police are not involved because Joel doesn't want them involved. Aaron was evicted because the producers deemed that sort of behaviour inappropriate and wanted to take a hard line stance on it. Joel was very clearly uncomfortable throughout the whole thing. Just because his discomfort manifested partially in laughter and he tried to play it down because he valued Aaron as a friend doesn't change it being sexual harassment.



If he was so uncomfortable why did he have a bath with him that evening?
All he had to do was raise his voice and say "FKCK OFF AARON I MEAN IT" and then BB would have given him a warning and that would have been it. It was homophobic on BB's part - Joel did not once say "Im going to BB/diary room - nothing - he took it and EVERYONE was laughing as it was clearly a mess about.

There was no "sinister" undertone, no threat of rape.

Everyone was involved and laughing, it was a mistake if he upset Joel. Which after a warning he wouldn't have done again.

People have stop getting so hysterical over nothing otherwise we will all end up living in a police state where nothing is legal.

[ThriceShy]

He's an actual bellend, anyone who supports him or buys into the 'Joel's to blame' story is just as bad as he is imo, vile.

I would rather be as bad as he is than go along with casual homophobia, to be honest.

[Amy Jade]

He's an actual bellend, anyone who supports him or buys into the 'Joel's to blame' story is just as bad as he is imo, vile.

Hows the view from that high horse?

[sungrass]

He's an actual bellend, anyone who supports him or buys into the 'Joel's to blame' story is just as bad as he is imo, vile.

He was worried that his friends on the outside would think of him as Gay. He bodloy said it!!!

"I would hate for people to think I encouraged it"

It was homophobia.

[ThriceShy]

Hows the view from that high horse?

I think that's a donkey.:laugh:

[Marsh.]

Ejection or no ejection, the producers killed the show tonight either way.