They kicked him out for THAT!

[Beetlejuice]

Aaron is revolting and I am glad to see the back of him. But kicking him out for that is absurd!

Obviously it was making Joel uncomfortable, but it was a bit of drunken fun, that could have been ended with a warning from BB

This is a blatant publicity stunt to drum up interest in the show. And it just makes the whole thing look even more ridiculous.

This show is an utter joke :facepalm:

[Denver]

Aaron while naked tried to bend Joel over and fake **** him he deserves the ejection

[Beetlejuice]

Aaron while naked tried to bend Joel over and fake **** him he deserves the ejection

It is a bit of drunken idiocy. To kick someone out for that is a disgrace.

This is worse than Emily being kicked out.

[Glenn.]

I haven't seen it yet but judging by what Adam said, yes, he deserved it.

[Denver]

It is a bit of drunken idiocy. To kick someone out for that is a disgrace.

This is worse than Emily being kicked out.

OK you go outside drunk and naked and try and do that and see where it gets you alcohol is not a excuse

[lily.]

He deserved to be chucked out for that.

Let's get it into perspective. If Danny did that to Sarah, everyone would want him ejected.

The fact that Aaron is gay and Joel is straight has no bearing on this issue.

It is sexual harassment no matter which way you look at it.

[Jay.]

i genuinely think he deserved it, joel was clearly in a very awkward situation whilst the rest of the housemates merely laughed at it :umm2:

aaron is awful whilst drunk and i think he def overstepped the line there. I feel really sorry for Joel.

[Cherie]

He deserved to be chucked out for that.

Let's get it into perspective. If Danny did that to Sarah, everyone would want him ejected.

The fact that Aaron is gay and Joel is straight has no bearing on this issue.

It is sexual harassment no matter which way you look at it.

Didn't Biannca sexually harass Winston last year? What an absolute joke

[Calderyon]

Based on what i have seen, the thing that Aaron did was totally unacceptable and it warranted an ejection. He just went too far. He should have done the first thing and then just leave it at that. But he just continued and continued and eventually went too far.

If a man did that to a woman, he would be crucified.

[Josy]

Definitely deserved to be ejected, I'm shocked people think his behaviour was acceptable

[Beetlejuice]

OK you go outside drunk and naked and try and do that and see where it gets you alcohol is not a excuse

You are comparing going out into public and behaving like that with being in a house on Big Brother with everyone enjoying themselves apart from Joel and which he immediately stopped when told to do so. Absurd.

[Kazanne]

It is a bit of drunken idiocy. To kick someone out for that is a disgrace.

This is worse than Emily being kicked out.

He deserved it ,as someone pointed out what if Joel had been a girl,?

[Josy]

You are comparing going out into public and behaving like that with being in a house on Big Brother with everyone enjoying themselves apart from Joel and which he immediately stopped when told to do so. Absurd.

He did not stop when Joel repeatedly asked him to.

[Beetlejuice]

I just don't know what's happened to this country that people can get so hysterical over drunken idiocy which immediately calmed down and stopped when it was told it had to.

[Denver]

You are comparing going out into public and behaving like that with being in a house on Big Brother with everyone enjoying themselves apart from Joel and which he immediately stopped when told to do so. Absurd.

Oh so because you are in the BB house you can attempt to sexually assault someone

[Calderyon]

Didn't Biannca sexually harass Winston last year? What an absolute joke

That was only talk though, she didn´t undress naked and chase him around the house harassing him, like Aaron did.

[Josy]

He deserved to be chucked out for that.

Let's get it into perspective. If Danny did that to Sarah, everyone would want him ejected.

The fact that Aaron is gay and Joel is straight has no bearing on this issue.

It is sexual harassment no matter which way you look at it.

Exactly Lily. I said similar in a thread earlier, had that been a male doing the same to a female housemate there would be an uproar about it.

[just thinkin]

Absolutely he should have gone..try doing that in the outside and a person wud be arrested.

[Beetlejuice]

He did not stop when Joel repeatedly asked him to.

Joel was still throwing things at him whilst laughing along with the others. Of course he was being made to feel uncomfortable, but he stopped the moment BB intervened and that should have been the end of it.

[Beetlejuice]

Absolutely he should have gone..try doing that in the outside and a person wud be arrested.

They're not in the outside world.

[ebandit]

I just don't know what's happened to this country that people can get so hysterical over drunken idiocy which immediately calmed down and stopped when it was told it had to.

ffs .........he has only been removed from BB....not sent down.....

Mark L

[lily.]

Yeah, Beetlejuice, they should have waited til Aaron bent Joel over the bed and stuck his thumb up his arse before doing anything.

Seriously man..

[Beetlejuice]

ffs .........he has only been removed from BB....not sent down.....

Give it time...

[Moosething]

Based on what i have seen, the thing that Aaron did was totally unacceptable and it warranted an ejection. He just went too far. He should have done the first thing and then just leave it at that. But he just continued and continued and eventually went too far.

If a man did that to a woman, he would be crucified.

This ^

[Josy]

Think how Joels family would have felt watching that if nothing had been done about it, again i'm gobsmacked people are defending Aarons actions

[Beetlejuice]

Yeah, Beetlejuice, they should have waited til Aaron bent Joel over the bed and stuck his thumb up his arse before doing anything.

Seriously man..

They stopped him doing what he was doing and he immediately apologized. That ought to have been the end of it.

[lily.]

Think how Joels family would have felt watching that if nothing had been done about it, again i'm gobsmacked people are defending Aarons actions

Victim blaming. It's shocking Josy.

[Withano]

You are comparing going out into public and behaving like that with being in a house on Big Brother with everyone enjoying themselves apart from Joel and which he immediately stopped when told to do so. Absurd.

Perfectly valid comparison. Had Joel been enjoying it or even having some sort of neutral opinion towards his behaviour, it might have been okay. The only absurd thing in this thread is you believing that one man can make sexual advances towards a person who did not welcome them. That's absurd.

[MrWong]

Why was everyone laughing?

Why didn't BB call Aaron in sooner?

He definitely deserved to be booted out.

[just thinkin]

So because its done in the house its ok......ridiculous. unacceptable no matter where it is....

[Glenn.]

I love on season

[TeessidePete]

Whether he deserved to go or not , Harriet was telling him what to do so should she not be punished?

[Calderyon]

What i find idiotic is how everyone was encouraging him to continue doing it, especially Harriet, who even pushed him towards Aaron. Among other things.

I hope she feels extremely bad now.

[Niamh.]

Whether he deserved to go or not , Harriet was telling him what to do so should she not be punished?


Yeah good point

[Kazanne]

Aaron is revolting and I am glad to see the back of him. But kicking him out for that is absurd!

Obviously it was making Joel uncomfortable, but it was a bit of drunken fun, that could have been ended with a warning from BB

This is a blatant publicity stunt to drum up interest in the show. And it just makes the whole thing look even more ridiculous.

This show is an utter joke :facepalm:

He so deserved to get kicked out.

[lily.]

Harriet is thick as mince.

[Cherie]

I just don't know what's happened to this country that people can get so hysterical over drunken idiocy which immediately calmed down and stopped when it was told it had to.

.

[reece(:]

I just don't know what's happened to this country that people can get so hysterical over drunken idiocy which immediately calmed down and stopped when it was told it had to.
I think Aaron should have been severely reprimanded and given an alcohol ban, there was no malicious intent.

[Hof]

It was a joke fuelled by peer pressure on both Aaron and Joel to entertain the rest and it got out of control.

Hearing what if it was a man doing that to a women is seriously annoying, no one saying what if it was a women doing that to a man, would that be any different? No. The fact is it crossed the lines between two people regardless of sex! Even though I believe it was meant as harmless fun, did it really warrant removal? One minute I'm yes next I'm no, maybe it's because it's so boring at the moment.

All those that encouraged and provoked the whole situation share responsibility in my opinion, especially Harriot.

[Ant.]

You can't excuse it as it being 'drunken fun'

Aaron while naked tried to bend Joel over and fake **** him he deserves the ejection

^^

[Beetlejuice]

Perfectly valid comparison. Had Joel been enjoying it or even having some sort of neutral opinion towards his behaviour, it might have been okay.

He was laughing along at certain points. And whilst I know it was done because of nerves and discomfort and not knowing what else to do, the situation had been handled.



The only absurd thing in this thread is you believing that one man can make sexual advances towards a person who did not welcome them. That's absurd.

It was a bit of drunken stupidity that no one in the house was taking seriously hence the reason they were all laughing their arses off.

Thank God people on DS are slightly better on this...

es 114 61.62%
No 71 38.38%
Voters: 185. You can't vote on this poll right now - are you signed in?

[Withano]

Bbc3 just mentioned it by the way..

[Cherie]

I think Aaron should have been severely reprimanded and given an alcohol ban, there was no malicious intent.

And if Joel felt that uncomfortable he should have spoken up, throwing a cushion and play kicking gave the wrong impression to an inebriated Aaron

[Beetlejuice]

I think Aaron should have been severely reprimanded and given an alcohol ban, there was no malicious intent.

A warning would have sufficed.

This was a show that was getting Chris to lick Ashleigh last year.

[Cherie]

He was laughing along at certain points. And whilst I know it was done because of nerves and discomfort and not knowing what else to do, the situation had been handled.





It was a bit of drunken stupidity that no one in the house was taking seriously hence the reason they were all laughing their arses off.

Thank God people on DS are slightly better on this...

es 114 61.62%
No 71 38.38%
Voters: 185. You can't vote on this poll right now - are you signed in?


I think I might have to join DS :laugh:

[Withano]

He was laughing along at certain points. And whilst I know it was done because of nerves and discomfort and not knowing what else to do, the situation had been handled.




laughing out of nervousness does not make it okay. Obviously. How did you even post that as a valid argument.

[Nancy.]

They stopped him doing what he was doing and he immediately apologized. That ought to have been the end of it.

Oh absolutely. It looked like BB was going to accept Aaron's apology until Joel went into the diary room and complained. Joel needs to lighten up and stop being so bloody serious. I used to flash my tits on a night out...I wonder how he'd have coped if I do it to him? Probably had a good old whine. Uptight prude, he is.

[reece(:]

And if Joel felt that uncomfortable he should have spoken up, throwing a cushion and play kicking gave the wrong impression to an inebriated Aaron
I agree Cherie, he should have said STOP- I don't feel comfortable.

[just thinkin]

You do not invade somebodys personal space uninvited...ever. aaron jumped up on joel..he made contact with him...there is no excuse. Hes an adult. It's not harriets fault. Not the housemates fault for laughing. Aaron did it himself. Making excuses for this behaviour for the sake of entertainment is astonishing.

[Mystic Mock]

Well tonights show was ridiculous, Aaron shouldn't have been thrown out when gay contestants have been much worse than that in past BB's.

And it also put me off Joel tonight too with him laughing at Aaron in the Bedroom, to him attacking Aaron in the Diary Room in the next breath.

Aaron was having a laugh and he thought that Joel was too, he should've only had a warning at most.

[Hofman]

You do not invade somebodys personal space uninvited...ever. aaron jumped up on joel..he made contact with him...there is no excuse. Hes an adult. It's not harriets fault. Not the housemates fault for laughing. Aaron did it himself. Making excuses for this behaviour for the sake of entertainment is astonishing.

Your logic is ridiculous. Those who encouraged and fuelled the event are not innocent. Would it be ok to stand around, encourage and laugh at a sexual assault. No. If any of them had a spine, they would have grabbed Aaron and told him he was crossing lines and to cool it down.

[bots]

It showed how spineless the males are in that house actually

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah, Beetlejuice, they should have waited til Aaron bent Joel over the bed and stuck his thumb up his arse before doing anything.

Seriously man..

Aaron was clearly having a laugh, he was not gonna do what you're suggesting.

[Nancy.]

Well tonights show was ridiculous, Aaron shouldn't have been thrown out when gay contestants have been much worse than that in past BB's.

And it also put me off Joel tonight too with him laughing at Aaron in the Bedroom, to him attacking Aaron in the Diary Room in the next breath.

Aaron was having a laugh and he thought that Joel was too, he should've only had a warning at most.

Agree!

[Nancy.]

You do not invade somebodys personal space uninvited...ever. aaron jumped up on joel..he made contact with him...there is no excuse. Hes an adult. It's not harriets fault. Not the housemates fault for laughing. Aaron did it himself. Making excuses for this behaviour for the sake of entertainment is astonishing.

Then Joel should have spoken to Aaron in an authoritive manner instead of laughing and pretending it was ok. If he had nipped it in the bud shortly after entering the house Aaron might still be there.

[Denver]

Aaron was clearly having a laugh, he was not gonna do what you're suggesting.

I wouldn't put it past him

[Mystic Mock]

I wouldn't put it past him

:joker:

[jaxie]

How many more threads do you need to justify your outraged standpoint? :shrug:

[Josy]

Then Joel should have spoken to Aaron in an authoritive manner instead of laughing and pretending it was ok. If he had nipped it in the bud shortly after entering the house Aaron might still be there.

So basically it's Joels fault Aaron was removed? is that what youre saying?

I think that's what's commonly known as victim blaming.

[Jake.]

So basically it's Joels fault Aaron was removed? is that what youre saying?

I think that's what's commonly known as victim blaming.

The same thing with Chloe Jasmine happened in January, it's hardly a shock

[reece(:]

The same thing with Chloe Jasmine happened in January, it's hardly a shock
http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9704541.ece/alternates/w620/jasmine.jpg

[Withano]

Having or laugh, being drunk or being a controversial character isn't an excuse for physically, emotionally or verbally inappropriate behaviour, are these the best arguments people have? They're all dumb, Aaron was correctly removed from the house.

[jaxie]

Think how Joels family would have felt watching that if nothing had been done about it, again i'm gobsmacked people are defending Aarons actions

This.

[just thinkin]

I dont agree hoffman. The man is old enough to take responsibility for his actions. The 'they encouraged me to do it' line doesnt work. If the egged him on to jump off a bridge would he do that. His actions..hia fault.

[Vicky.]

Then Joel should have spoken to Aaron in an authoritive manner instead of laughing and pretending it was ok. If he had nipped it in the bud shortly after entering the house Aaron might still be there.

Last time he did something like that Aaron took it sexually too...I dont remember the exact situation but I do remember Aaron 'flirting' because Joel had apparently been 'dominant' :S

I honestly don't think its right to blame Joel for 'not being authoritative' or whatever. Its not a situation many guys would find themselves in so its impossible to know how on earth anyone would react to that D:

My partner reckons he would have punched him as soon as he touched him in that way. I think that would probably be the reaction of most straight men being persistently chased by another guy..


Personally, I would probably laugh something like that off then have words (in private) the next day..definitely not infront of a room of people who are all egging it on. However a lot of women would deal with it differently...some may go hysterical, some may hit the person, some might completely ignore it. I can't really judge someone for their reaction to a situation like this...

[Hofman]

I dont agree hoffman. The man is old enough to take responsibility for his actions. The 'they encouraged me to do it' line doesnt work. If the egged him on to jump off a bridge would he do that. His actions..hia fault.

You misunderstand me, I'm not saying that is an excuse for him in anyway, I'm saying that the rest played a part and are not innocent and although not to blame for his actions are responsible for their own actions which were disgraceful. So I agree with you but the others still have actions and behaviour they should be reprimanded for

[just thinkin]

Oh so it's joels fault now....blame the victim syndrome alive and well in the uk.

[Tony1111]

It was all very vile and disturbing now who has screen caps so I can inspect the incident further? :hehe:

No I am kidding. If I was Joel I would have been uncomfortable and would not have liked someone rubbing their junk on me or around my bed. Wasn't really like the BB's of yesterday when they had a nude mud wrestling task or Kinga shoving a bottle up herself in plain sight. :shocked:

[just thinkin]

I get you and agree hoffman.

[Nancy.]

So basically it's Joels fault Aaron was removed? is that what youre saying?

I think that's what's commonly known as victim blaming.

Joel and Aaron are equally to blame for letting it get as far as it did.

But really, it's not like Aaron pulled Joel's pants around his ankles and gave him a good seeing too. People really need to lighten up.

[Hofman]

I get you and agree hoffman.

:wavey:

[ThriceShy]

I can only speak for myself but if I was in Joel's position and was uncomfortable with a naked gay man harassing me then the LAST thing I would do is laugh about it and throw cushions at him.

I would leave the room and actually seek out big brother to complain.

Joel has stitched Aaron up here big time.

[Hofman]

Joel and Aaron are equally to blame for letting it get as far as it did.

But really, it's not like Aaron pulled Joel's pants around his ankles and gave him a good seeing too. People really need to lighten up.

Sorry, that just made me laugh a lot and it shouldn't of :joker:

[Nancy.]

Sorry, that just made me laugh a lot and it shouldn't of :joker:

:laugh:

[Nancy.]

I can only speak for myself but if I was in Joel's position and was uncomfortable with a naked gay man harassing me then the LAST thing I would do is laugh about it and throw cushions at him.

I would leave the room and actually seek out big brother to complain.

Joel has stitched Aaron up here big time.

EXACTLY!!!!!

[Hofman]

:laugh:

Still laughing:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[rionablue]

Aaron is revolting and I am glad to see the back of him. But kicking him out for that is absurd!

Obviously it was making Joel uncomfortable, but it was a bit of drunken fun, that could have been ended with a warning from BB

This is a blatant publicity stunt to drum up interest in the show. And it just makes the whole thing look even more ridiculous.

This show is an utter joke :facepalm:

I don't think it was that alone. Aaron had been 'baiting' Joel with days saying he must be gay because of the films and music he likes. Joel kept denying it but Aaron was on and on about it. Add that to last nights shenanigans and really Aaron stepped over the line. Any time that Aaron has been drunk he has been a mess, throwing up and having the housemates have to physically lift him into bed. What I was annoyed about was that none of the housemates told Aaron to leave Joel alone when it went on and on. I cant stand Joel but Aaron was an absolute and utter twat. I would be uncomfortable with him also in the house specially (as I have already mentioned) that Aaron had been baiting him

[waylander1973]

Oh so it's joels fault now....blame the victim syndrome alive and well in the uk.

I think what Hofman is saying, that this is not a black and white situation, plenty of blame to around.

Like I said on other thread, this involved a lot of housemates and big brother itself, not just two like Chloe and Jeremy in the last CCB.

The housemates saw what was happening so did big brother.:shrug:

[Hofman]

I don't think it was that alone. Aaron had been 'baiting' Joel with days saying he must be gay because of the films and music he likes. Joel kept denying it but Aaron was on and on about it. Add that to last nights shenanigans and really Aaron stepped over the line. Any time that Aaron has been drunk he has been a mess, throwing up and having the housemates have to physically lift him into bed. What I was annoyed about was that none of the housemates told Aaron to leave Joel alone when it went on and on. I cant stand Joel but Aaron was an absolute and utter twat. I would be uncomfortable with him also in the house specially (as I have already mentioned) that Aaron had been baiting him

Well said, feel pretty much the same

[Kizzy]

I can only speak for myself but if I was in Joel's position and was uncomfortable with a naked gay man harassing me then the LAST thing I would do is laugh about it and throw cushions at him.

I would leave the room and actually seek out big brother to complain.

Joel has stitched Aaron up here big time.

I agree, I wouldn't be in a bath or a room with anyone I felt intimidated by.

[just thinkin]

Waylander..my post was not directed to hoffman.

[waylander1973]

Waylander..my post was not directed to hoffman.

Sorry.

[Northern Monkey]

It was nasty vulgar and disgusting.If he did that to a woman he would expect pepper spray in the eyes.If that little pervert did that to me i would've knocked him out cold as soon as he came near me.Joel is still a teenager and has more than likely never experienced anything like that before.He looked uncomfortable and did'nt know how to deal with it.Just picture a naked man doing that to a 19 year old girl,He would be out on his ear and branded a sex pest.That bloke from Baywatch got kicked out of CBB for far less,He only touched her dressing gown.How anybody can excuse this is beyond me.

[ThriceShy]

It was nasty vulgar and disgusting.If he did that to a woman he would expect pepper spray in the eyes.If that little pervert did that to me i would've knocked him out cold as soon as he came near me.Joel is still a teenager and has more than likely never experienced anything like that before.He looked uncomfortable and did'nt know how to deal with it.Just picture a naked man doing that to a 19 year old girl,He would be out on his ear and branded a sex pest.That bloke from Baywatch got kicked out of CBB for far less,He only touched her dressing gown.How anybody can excuse this is beyond me.

Yet Hazel wasn't thrown out for pulling Daley's pants down. And Bianca wasn't thrown out despite repeatedly exposing herself and constantly asking a disinterested Winston to have sex with her.

Seems like it is one rule for men and another for women.

[Northern Monkey]

Yet Hazel wasn't thrown out for pulling Daley's pants down. And Bianca wasn't thrown out despite repeatedly exposing herself and constantly asking a disinterested Winston to have sex with her.

Seems like it is one rule for men and another for women.

I always argued that if Daley was gonna be ejected then so should Hazel for pulling his pants down.Again if a man pulled a womans knickers down he would be in an awful lot of trouble.
Bianca did'nt go as far as either of these two situations.

[ThriceShy]

It really is laughable that people are trying to draw a parallel between this situation and some mythical frail, innocent 19 year old girl being brutally ravaged by some huge rugby player.

It was just aaron, a little weedy drunk gay guy, pissing about.

In some previous series it probably wouldn't have even made the highlights show.

[Hofman]

Seems like it is one rule for men and another for women.

It certainly does in this forum, shouldn't matter what sex's were involved it was wrong. No worse or better than doing it to a women or man

[Vicky.]

I always argued that if Daley was gonna be ejected then so should Hazel for pulling his pants down.Again if a man pulled a womans knickers down he would be in an awful lot of trouble.
Bianca did'nt go as far as either of these two situations.

Daley wasn't ejected for the sexual flirtations part of that night though, if he had been ejected for pulling her knickers down and she left alone for pulling his boxers off then I would totally agree that both (if anyone) should be ejected. I honestly expected that night to end in sex..was in total shock as to how it did actually end :laugh:

[Rorkimaru]

Fact of the matter is if Christian did that to Jade or Ciaran did that to Chloe the entire viewership would be up in arms. Gender and orientation doesn't change the rules for sexual harassment. Regardless of it being without malicious intent these situations have to be judged by how the person being harassed felt not by the intentions of the harasser.

[ThriceShy]

Fact of the matter is if Christian did that to Jade or Ciaran did that to Chloe the entire viewership would be up in arms. Gender and orientation doesn't change the rules for sexual harassment. Regardless of it being without malicious intent these situations have to be judged by how the person being harassed felt not by the intentions of the harasser.

That american twin said she felt completely violated by Denise pulling her pants down but denise wasn't ejected.

[Hofman]

Fact of the matter is if Christian did that to Jade or Ciaran did that to Chloe the entire viewership would be up in arms. Gender and orientation doesn't change the rules for sexual harassment. Regardless of it being without malicious intent these situations have to be judged by how the person being harassed felt not by the intentions of the harasser.

Again, great rational thinking, we're on the same wavelength :wavey:

[Kizzy]

Fact of the matter is if Christian did that to Jade or Ciaran did that to Chloe the entire viewership would be up in arms. Gender and orientation doesn't change the rules for sexual harassment. Regardless of it being without malicious intent these situations have to be judged by how the person being harassed felt not by the intentions of the harasser.

And if the 'aggressor' is a woman?

[ThriceShy]

And if the 'aggressor' is a woman?

Women tend to get free passes. Especially if they are particularly useful for a storyline.

[Northern Monkey]

Daley wasn't ejected for the sexual flirtations part of that night though, if he had been ejected for pulling her knickers down and she left alone for pulling his boxers off then I would totally agree that both (if anyone) should be ejected. I honestly expected that night to end in sex..was in total shock as to how it did actually end :laugh:

I always find that in order to examine the situation fairly it is best to reverse roles.
Daley pulls down Hazels knickers,Hazel gets aggressive with Daley.It would be sexual assault by Daley and Hazel defending herself.Hazel should've been out too.

[Rorkimaru]

And if the 'aggressor' is a woman?

In my view if a woman did that to another person she would deserve to be ejected as well.

[Kizzy]

Women tend to get free passes. Especially if they are particularly useful for a storyline.

Does that make it right?

[bots]

I always find that in order to examine the situation fairly it is best to reverse roles.
Daley pulls down Hazels knickers,Hazel gets aggressive with Daley.It would be sexual assault by Daley and Hazel defending herself.Hazel should've been out too.

You cannot base reaction to an event on action taken on previous events particularly at a superficial level. I will never understand why forums will champion the aggressor, trying to make excuses for them at every turn.

Aaron's behaviour was unacceptable on any level. While it may not look it, the BB studio is a work place environment and is subject to the same rules and regulations. There is no way on this earth that Aaron's predatory behaviour would be acceptable in ANY environment, the excuses being made are reminiscent of the victim was asking for it scenario. Its unequivocally wrong, and it was absolutely correct that Aaron was removed.

[Hofman]

Does that make it right?

Hell no, it should be equality for all in reward and punishment. Double standards have no place in a modern world

[reece(:]

That american twin said she felt completely violated by Denise pulling her pants down but denise wasn't ejected.
:clap1:

[Kizzy]

She was at least warned, Biancca wasn't.

[Northern Monkey]

You cannot base reaction to an event on action taken on previous events particularly at a superficial level. I will never understand why forums will champion the aggressor, trying to make excuses for them at every turn.

Aaron's behaviour was unacceptable on any level. While it may not look it, the BB studio is a work place environment and is subject to the same rules and regulations. There is no way on this earth that Aaron's predatory behaviour would be acceptable in ANY environment, the excuses being made are reminiscent of the victim was asking for it scenario. Its unequivocally wrong, and it was absolutely correct that Aaron was removed.

Read my earlier post.I totally agree.

[Beetlejuice]

Women tend to get free passes. Especially if they are particularly useful for a storyline.

They get free passes because they are the physically weaker sex and not at all threatening.

[Beetlejuice]

Aaron's behaviour was unacceptable on any level. While it may not look it, the BB studio is a work place environment and is subject to the same rules and regulations.

Most of these rules and regulations should be thrown out imo.


There is no way on this earth that Aaron's predatory behaviour would be acceptable in ANY environment, the excuses being made are reminiscent of the victim was asking for it scenario. Its unequivocally wrong, and it was absolutely correct that Aaron was removed.

I wish people would stop using the word "victim" like someone has been raped or assaulted.

Things went a bit far and all that was needed was BB to call Aaron in and give him a warning. That was it. It looks to me like this whole incident has been used to drum up interest in the media in preparation for tonight's evictions.

[Rob!]

^^^and back on my ignore list you go. Your opinions are frankly warped.

[Hofman]

They get free passes because they are the physically weaker sex and not at all threatening.

I hope that was a joke

[reece(:]

Tbf if it was a woman, it would probably be turned on her due to the male favouritism of the public.

[reece(:]

They get free passes because they are the physically weaker sex and not at all threatening.
:umm2:

[Hofman]

Tbf if it was a woman, it would probably be turned on her due to the male favouritism of the public.

VERY good point, and agree

[ThriceShy]

^^^and back on my ignore list you go. Your opinions are frankly warped.

You might want to pop me on it too because I agree with everything he says.

[Beetlejuice]

:umm2:

Seems like an obvious statement of fact to me. Men will always be more threatening to women than women are to men or men are to each other.

[bots]

Read my earlier post.I totally agree.

:thumbs:

[ThriceShy]

Seems like an obvious statement of fact to me. Men will always be more threatening to women than women are to men or men are to each other.

There are exceptions of course. Remember alexandra from BB9. Ejected for essentially threatening to kill everyone.

[Pink Pegasus]

I think Aaron and all the housemates who were laughing and egging on completely read the situation wrong and saw it all as just a continuation of the usual joking and messing between Aaron and Joel that has being going on the last 3 weeks.

I know some people are saying that he was harassing Joel by the flirting that was going on over the weeks, but I always just saw it as them messing about and never saw any sign that Joel was ever offended. He would sometimes use a stern voice with Aaron but even that often seemed to be part of the joke between them, because Aaron would pretend like Joel was being dominant in an attractive way and Joel would usually smile or joke like he was only being mock 'stern' with Aaron. I never noticed he was uncomfortable, I actually thought they seemed very comfortable around each other, either by joking about in the garden or sitting in the tub together having chats. Even tonight in the tub Aaron said that the things he says were only "banter" and Joel said "I know".

The situation in the bedroom definitely went too far though. I think all the alcohol and egging on is not an excuse but that it worsened the situation and what was usually just fairly harmless joking between the pair escalated into something that was crossing a line where it suddenly became uncomfortable for Joel.

I don't think that Aaron has being harassing Joel for weeks, I think for the most part Joel liked Aaron as a friend and saw it as just a jokey thing between the two of them.

Getting naked and making contact though, and having half the house laughing at this situation clearly really made Joel very uncomfortable and I don't think he knew how to react. I think the reason he didn't get very angry and shout in a serious tone at Aaron is because he knew it was Aaron just messing around and everyone else was taking it as a joke so he didn't want to look like he was overreacting or making a big deal. But it obviously was upsetting him and I think he was just afraid to shout about it and just kept his usual fairly calm stern tone that he often did when they were just joking but it wasn't taken seriously by Aaron or the housemates because they thought it was just the usual game between them going on.

I felt really sorry for Joel in the diaryroom when it finally became apparent to me how uncomfortable and angry he was. Had I not seen Joel's diary room conversation I would never have realised from the bedroom segment that he was actually really angry (because of him laughing and smiling and I couldn't tell that the tone of his voice was really angry) , I would have just thought that Aaron was going much too far,and that Joel was finding Aaron very annoying but that they would probably have been friendly again in the morning if they talked it out.

I must say I felt bad and annoyed by myself for not recognising that Joel was so upset after watching the bedroom segment. I was annoyed at myself for misreading what I had just seen and for thinking that Joel just seemed merely annoyed. (I did think Aaron was going too far though). I would also feel bad about my own judgement if it turns out Joel has actually always been uncomfortable for weeks for what I saw as a jokey friendship between the pair - although I haven't seen any evidence that this is the case as Joel even after Aaron's removal described him as a great person and great housemate etc. I do think they were friends so hopefully I'm not wrong about that too.

Aaron completely went too far by continuing to get into the bed, doing the thrusting thing behind Joel and chasing him about complete naked. It went beyond a harmless joke then because he was actually getting into physical contact with his naked body and kept it going instead of stopping when Joel just wanted to go to bed.

I think it started as a jokey situation that went WAAAAAAAAAAY over the line, and I think Joel had a right to feel angry and to feel Aaron had gone too far.

I do however think that drunken Aaron saw it all as just messing about, and that he never intended to seriously upset Joel. I think he will be absolutely mortified when he realises how Joel was really feeling, and I do believe he was very genuinely sorry in the diary room.

I can absolutely see why BB removed him though. I think this poster basically summed it up perfectly, all of the post but particularly the bolded section:

Fact of the matter is if Christian did that to Jade or Ciaran did that to Chloe the entire viewership would be up in arms. Gender and orientation doesn't change the rules for sexual harassment. Regardless of it being without malicious intent these situations have to be judged by how the person being harassed felt not by the intentions of the harasser.

[Beetlejuice]

There are exceptions of course. Remember alexandra from BB9. Ejected for essentially threatening to kill everyone.

Yeah, but she was talking about men she knew shooting people.

[wendywillow]

Joel pushed the point with BB and forced their hand. if he had said it was no big deal they might haven't have ejected him.

similar to an old real world when tammy was exposed by dave when he pulled her blanket off while she was nude. she was laughing screaming 'no' but he kept going. I think he got kicked out.

[ThriceShy]

Yeah, but she was talking about men she knew shooting people.

I would have found that more intimidating than anything men in that series might have done.

And she was quite rightly ejected for it.

The worst kind are aggressive threatening women who immediately rely on the "don't hit me i'm a girl" stuff when someone retaliates.

BB has to have uniform rules. They can't make allowances because someone is a woman.

[Ammi]

I think Aaron and all the housemates who were laughing and egging on completely read the situation wrong and saw it all as just a continuation of the usual joking and messing between Aaron and Joel that has being going on the last 3 weeks.

I know some people are saying that he was harassing Joel by the flirting that was going on over the weeks, but I always just saw it as them messing about and never saw any sign that Joel was ever offended. He would sometimes use a stern voice with Aaron but even that often seemed to be part of the joke between them, because Aaron would pretend like Joel was being dominant in an attractive way and Joel would usually smile or joke like he was only being mock 'stern' with Aaron. I never noticed he was uncomfortable, I actually thought they seemed very comfortable around each other, either by joking about in the garden or sitting in the tub together having chats. Even tonight in the tub Aaron said that the things he says were only "banter" and Joel said "I know".

The situation in the bedroom definitely went too far though. I think all the alcohol and egging on is not an excuse but that it worsened the situation and what was usually just fairly harmless joking between the pair escalated into something that was crossing a line where it suddenly became uncomfortable for Joel.

I don't think that Aaron has being harassing Joel for weeks, I think for the most part Joel liked Aaron as a friend and saw it as just a jokey thing between the two of them.

Getting naked and making contact though, and having half the house laughing at this situation clearly really made Joel very uncomfortable and I don't think he knew how to react. I think the reason he didn't get very angry and shout in a serious tone at Aaron is because he knew it was Aaron just messing around and everyone else was taking it as a joke so he didn't want to look like he was overreacting or making a big deal. But it obviously was upsetting him and I think he was just afraid to shout about it and just kept his usual fairly calm stern tone that he often did when they were just joking but it wasn't taken seriously by Aaron or the housemates because they thought it was just the usual game between them going on.

I felt really sorry for Joel in the diaryroom when it finally became apparent to me how uncomfortable and angry he was. Had I not seen Joel's diary room conversation I would never have realised from the bedroom segment that he was actually really angry (because of him laughing and smiling and I couldn't tell that the tone of his voice was really angry) , I would have just thought that Aaron was going much too far,and that Joel was finding Aaron very annoying but that they would probably have been friendly again in the morning if they talked it out.

I must say I felt bad and annoyed by myself for not recognising that Joel was so upset after watching the bedroom segment. I was annoyed at myself for misreading what I had just seen and for thinking that Joel just seemed merely annoyed. (I did think Aaron was going too far though). I would also feel bad about my own judgement if it turns out Joel has actually always been uncomfortable for weeks for what I saw as a jokey friendship between the pair - although I haven't seen any evidence that this is the case as Joel even after Aaron's removal described him as a great person and great housemate etc. I do think they were friends so hopefully I'm not wrong about that too.

Aaron completely went too far by continuing to get into the bed, doing the thrusting thing behind Joel and chasing him about complete naked. It went beyond a harmless joke then because he was actually getting into physical contact with his naked body and kept it going instead of stopping when Joel just wanted to go to bed.

I think it started as a jokey situation that went WAAAAAAAAAAY over the line, and I think Joel had a right to feel angry and to feel Aaron had gone too far.

I do however think that drunken Aaron saw it all as just messing about, and that he never intended to seriously upset Joel. I think he will be absolutely mortified when he realises how Joel was really feeling, and I do believe he was very genuinely sorry in the diary room.

I can absolutely see why BB removed him though. I think this poster basically summed it up perfectly, all of the post but particularly the bolded section:

..great post again Peggy...I agree with the bit in bold in that all of the misjudged situation/laughing etc from the other housemates..(and maybe they had all had too much alcohol to realise the situation..)...wouldn't really have helped in Aaron just seeing it as a messing around thing...although actually it seemed to me that he himself was so drunk that he may not have even registered their laughing etc...and I think Aaron is going to feel so bad now about it all and realising how much 'beyond..' his actions were, which he probably didn't mean at the time...but yeah, intentions don't change his actions which were completely invading and unacceptable so a good decision by BB and really the only right decision..if it had been any other decision of allowing him to stay with a warning etc..?..the not only would they have been unfair to Joel, but also be saying..we think sexual harassment is ok in this situation but not in that one so we're deciding that, when it's never ok regardless of any other factor...I do feel some sympathy with Aaron as well but he did it and it was also right that he took the ownership of that...

[Vanessa]

it was sexual harassment.

[jaxie]

That american twin said she felt completely violated by Denise pulling her pants down but denise wasn't ejected.
That doesn't justify what hpened between Aaron and Joel, or any other situation. Maybe BB made a wrong call that time.

[Ammi]

That doesn't justify what hpened between Aaron and Joel, or any other situation. Maybe BB made a wrong call that time.

..this is a good point as well jaxie..she also said how uncomfortable and invading that made her feel...BB are capable of making 'wrong' calls also but that would also not really call 'hypocrisy' so much as a looking back maybe and a learning curve..two 'wrongs' would just be doubling their wrongs, rather than being hypocritical...a right would always be an admission and not continuing of a wrong for consistency...

[Mystic Mock]

Seems like an obvious statement of fact to me. Men will always be more threatening to women than women are to men or men are to each other.

Well If I was in the BB house I would be more scared of getting into a violent clash with Sarah, Twins, and Harriet than I would any of the guys in this series.

But I agree with you that Aaron's ejection is a desperate attempt from production to pull in ratings.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He deserved to be chucked out for that.

Let's get it into perspective. If Danny did that to Sarah, everyone would want him ejected.

The fact that Aaron is gay and Joel is straight has no bearing on this issue.

It is sexual harassment no matter which way you look at it.

pretty much this

there has to be equality here

[Mystic Mock]

If Danny did the exact same thing as Aaron then I would defend him.

I'm not a hypocrite like that, I stand by my views no matter who it is.

I can't speak for other people though.

[Mystic Mock]

If Danny did the exact same thing as Aaron then I would defend him.

I'm not a hypocrite like that, I stand by my views no matter who it is.

I can't speak for other people though.

[sungrass]

I dont think a man would do that to a woman't be funny to anyone - I do not know why but the whole house was giggling including the lads and the girls, it was clearly a joke that went to far, BB let it go on too long, they could have call Aaron to the diary room sooner and stopped him - they let him unknowingly continue to do whatever it is he did wrong - why didnt they call him to the diary room when they thought it was too much?0 Aaron needed a warning nothing more. Every body is being hysterical. Its not the outside world. In the outside world if it was mates all staying over and that happened eventually Joel would leave the house or lamp Aaron. Over reaction. Im female if a man thats a mate was doing that to me I wouldnt want him evicted, but I would shout at him to stop and shout at BB to tell him to stop

[chuff me dizzy]

Aaron is revolting and I am glad to see the back of him. But kicking him out for that is absurd!

Obviously it was making Joel uncomfortable, but it was a bit of drunken fun, that could have been ended with a warning from BB

This is a blatant publicity stunt to drum up interest in the show. And it just makes the whole thing look even more ridiculous.

This show is an utter joke :facepalm:

Im shocked that you think Aaron was in his rights to do what he did ,any lesser man and Aaron would have been picking himself up off the floor and both parties would have been removed ,Joel handled it amazingly ,BB were right to remove him, Harriet should have been warned for her part too

[lily.]

I think I might have to join DS :laugh:
You absolutely should.

I love on season
haha! Same. :thumbs:

You do not invade somebodys personal space uninvited...ever. aaron jumped up on joel..he made contact with him...there is no excuse. Hes an adult. It's not harriets fault. Not the housemates fault for laughing. Aaron did it himself. Making excuses for this behaviour for the sake of entertainment is astonishing.
This. Aaron is a grown man, and he needs to take responsibility for his own stupidity. The guy needs help. He's an emotional mess.

Aaron was clearly having a laugh, he was not gonna do what you're suggesting.
It was hyperbole.

...My partner reckons he would have punched him as soon as he touched him in that way. I think that would probably be the reaction of most straight men being persistently chased by another guy..
My o/h said the same thing.

[Maxy]

While I don't agree with what Aaron did, Joel was giving him mixed messages by telling him to stop what he was doing but smiling at the same time and why did BB let it go on for so long.

[Niamh.]

While I don't agree with what Aaron did, Joel was giving him mixed messages by telling him to stop what he was doing but smiling at the same time and why did BB let it go on for so long.

Alot of people laugh or smile when they're nervous, he looked pretty uncomfortable with it all to me, regardless of whether he was smiling or not. But yeah BB should have intervened way sooner