Would he have been kicked out if Joel hadn't put the boot in?

[Nancy.]

I can't believe he was kicked out for that.

It looked to me like he was taking the piss out of Joel, so I don't think he meant any harm. It was just a bit of fun. Do you think if Joel hadn't have kicked up such a stink in the diary room Aaron would still be there?

[Liam-]

What does it matter if he want erect or not? What a ridiculous this to say

[Nancy.]

What does it matter if he want erect or not? What a ridiculous this to say

If Aaron had been erect it would be a clear indication that he was taking it seriously...but he wasn't. I can't believe you even asked such a silly question.

[JPG2502]

if Joel had said he was perfectly fine with Aarons behaviour, then im pretty sure he would not have been kicked out.
However it was clear Joel was not fine, and i think it was right to kick Aaron out, his letching over Joel if anything was becoming uncomfortable to watch.

[Withano]

I can't believe he was kicked out for that. He wasn''t even bloody erect.

It looked to me like he was taking the piss out of Joel, so I don't think he meant any harm. It was just a bit of fun. Do you think if Joel hadn't have kicked up such a stink in the diary room Aaron would still be there?

Oh Yh he wasn't erect. It's like that time a girl started fingering herself but it was okay cus she wasn't even wet. Get a grip and then get out.

[Nancy.]

DELETED!

[Liam-]

Lord have mercy

[rusticgal]

if Joel had said he was perfectly fine with Aarons behaviour, then im pretty sure he would not have been kicked out.
However it was clear Joel was not fine, and i think it was right to kick Aaron out, his letching over Joel if anything was becoming uncomfortable to watch.

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[Cherie]

I'm with you tonight Nancy :smug:

[Vicky.]

Joel didnt kick up a fuss though, he just said he was uncomfortable and had never been in that situation before. This is reminding me a bit of people blaming Hazel for Daleys ejection tbh...its ridiculous.

Its been clear for a while now that he isnt comfortable with Aarons constant attempts. And it reached a head tonight. It was really uncomfortable to watch for me

[rusticgal]

I'm with you tonight Nancy :smug:j

Really??...you are in the minority.

Good riddance to him...he was bang out of order.

[TheElusiveChanteuse]

never been in that situation before

A damn lie. He's mad it wasn't erect.

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[Kizzy]

I think if Joel hadn't put the boot in it would've just been a warning.
I can't see a similarity between Joel and Hazel at all.

[Hofman]

Does it matter what Joel said, he's still a nob and still needs a charisma bypass.

[Nancy.]

if Joel had said he was perfectly fine with Aarons behaviour, then im pretty sure he would not have been kicked out.
However it was clear Joel was not fine, and i think it was right to kick Aaron out, his letching over Joel if anything was becoming uncomfortable to watch.

Then Joel should have nipped it in the bud as soon as it started. He should have spoken to Aaron in an authortive manner instead of giving out mixed signals. By laughing and doing nothing he was giving Aaron the indication that it WAS ok.

Aaron seems like the type of person who enjoys pushing people's buttons and seeing how they react. I don't even think he fancied Joel, tbh.

[Nancy.]

I'm with you tonight Nancy :smug:

Thanks. It certainly makes a nice change. :dance:

[rionablue]

I can't believe he was kicked out for that. He wasn''t even bloody erect.

It looked to me like he was taking the piss out of Joel, so I don't think he meant any harm. It was just a bit of fun. Do you think if Joel hadn't have kicked up such a stink in the diary room Aaron would still be there?

He took it too far. It started off as a bit of a joke but Joel after awhile asked him to stop and tried to get away from him. When Joel went into the bathroom Aaron jumped into his bed and exposed himself again. In incidents like this BB always calls the 'victim' (so to speak) to the diary room to find out how they feel about it. They often ask them were they uncomfortable etc. This possibly makes up BB's mind on the whole situation as the last thing they want is a housemate who is totally uncomfortable about situations that might arise in the future with the other housemate

[Amy Jade]

This is reminding me a bit of people blaming Hazel for Daleys ejection tbh...its ridiculous.

Wow really?

There was a massive difference between the two. Aaron was in front of a group of people and laughing, yes he took it too far but he clearly was just trying to make people laugh.

Daly physically held Hazel down and his whole demenor changed.

[Vicky.]

Wow really?

There was a massive difference between the two. Aaron was in front of a group of people and laughing, yes he took it too far but he clearly was just trying to make people laugh.

Daly physically held Hazel down and his whole demenor changed.

In the way that people are blaming the wrong person, yes. I'm not comparing the two situations, but even then it was Hazels fault according to some, same as this is Joels fault now...

[Northern Monkey]

I would hope so.People have been kicked for less.The Baywatch guy got booted for touching a dressing gown.BB will have asked Joel how he felt about having a gay man expose himself to him and touch him with his tallywhacker.Joel was undoubtedly uncomfortable as anyone would be.

[Ammi]

I can't believe he was kicked out for that. He wasn''t even bloody erect.

It looked to me like he was taking the piss out of Joel, so I don't think he meant any harm. It was just a bit of fun. Do you think if Joel hadn't have kicked up such a stink in the diary room Aaron would still be there?

..for me that wouldn't really make any difference, if Joel did 'milk it' in the DR..?..just because it doesn't change the actions of Aaron, only that he has given the opportunity for Joel to do that because of something Aaron did which was a complete invasion of his personal space ...I mean in a situation outside of the BB house, it would never be or should never be...oh if you hadn't highlighted this so much and said you felt uncomfortable then it would have all been acceptable so you have to accept some 'blame' as well...

[Cherie]

j

Really??...you are in the minority.

Good riddance to him...he was bang out of order.


I don't care if I am in the minority, what has that got to do with anything, Aaron came straight out of the DR and apologised, he realised he had over stepped the mark, I could understand it if Aaron didn't accept any wrong doing, IMO Joel put the boot in due to them both being up for eviction,, as I have said in other threads Joel has been quite well able to stand up for himself in other situations, why he acted like a wilting violet in that one is pretty obvious to me

[jaxie]

I am surprised some of those blaming Joel seem unable to read body language. He was clearly quite upset by the situation, almost panicking in the way he was moving, running around, even escaping for a few minutes in the bathroom then he probably realised he could be caught alone and went back to the others.

Aside from the situation, the discomfort, the inappropriageness, people are also forgetting he kept getting naked in Joel's bed. I'd have wanted my sheets changed if someone had been rubbing their privates parts all over my bed.

[susie q]

I don't care if I am in the minority, what has that got to do with anything, Aaron came straight out if the DR and apologised, he realised he had over stepped the mark, I could understand it if Aaron didn't accept any wrong doing, IMO Joel put the boot in due to them both being up for eviction,, as I have said in other threads Joel has been quite well able to stand up for himself in other situations, why he acted like a wilting violet in that one is pretty obvious to me

Joel has told him to stop on several occassions to. Maybe that last one was the final straw. As other have said he was probably called in to the diary room and asked how he felt. Why would he lie about how he felt, bringing in the eviction thing is nonsense. Joel may not be the best of housemates but he still has the right to feel safe in the house.

[Cherie]

I am surprised some of those blaming Joel seem unable to read body language. He was clearly quite upset by the situation, almost panicking in the way he was moving, running around, even escaping for a few minutes in the bathroom then he probably realised he could be caught alone and went back to the others.

Aside from the situation, the discomfort, the inappropriageness, people are also forgetting he kept getting naked in Joel's bed. I'd have wanted my sheets changed if someone had been rubbing their privates parts all over my bed.



But putting it in context Jaxie, if all this happened while they were alone in the bedroom it would be creepy and horrible, as it was it was being played out by a drunk Aaron clapped on by some of the house alphas in a fully lit bedroom with 40 cameras on them, there was no danger or malicious intent, He thought he was being funny and entertaining, if anyone had stepped up to the plate and asked him to stop, including Joel he would have

[Cherie]

Joel has told him to stop on several occassions to. Maybe that last one was the final straw. As other have said he was probably called in to the diary room and asked how he felt. Why would he lie about how he felt, bringing in the eviction thing is nonsense. Joel may not be the best of housemates but he still has the right to feel safe in the house.

He asked him to stop by throwing a cushion and play kicking him?

[bots]

But putting it in context Jaxie, if all this happened while they were alone in the bedroom it would be creepy and horrible, as it was it was being played out by a drunk Aaron clapped on by some of the house alphas in a fully lit bedroom with 40 cameras on them, there was no danger or malicious intent, He thought he was being funny and entertaining, if anyone had stepped up to the plate and asked him to stop, including Joel he would have

Another view would be that Aaron was humiliating and demeaning Joel. Is that malicious, yes it is. Is it possible to do that in a crowded room with cameras, yes it is. It was unpleasant, and it was uncomfortable, and there is no question whatsoever, Joel did not invite Aaron to invade his personal space.

[sungrass]

Thanks. It certainly makes a nice change. :dance:

With you too

[Ammi]

But putting it in context Jaxie, if all this happened while they were alone in the bedroom it would be creepy and horrible, as it was it was being played out by a drunk Aaron clapped on by some of the house alphas in a fully lit bedroom with 40 cameras on them, there was no danger or malicious intent, He thought he was being funny and entertaining, if anyone had stepped up to the plate and asked him to stop, including Joel he would have

..but there again Cherie, if you flip it and the same situation with a large group of people all staying and sleeping in the same space etc but not on TV...and laughing/encouraging a misjudged situation through the fuel of alcohol etc...and Joel feeling uncomfortable but having a 'reaction' of laughter as well but also saying 'don't to the situation..just a 'collective' moment for all of them...and there not being cameras and a BB voice asking Aaron to come into the DR so diffusing it...that would never be an acceptable situation ...and would it then have become much, much more uncomfortable without a 'TV show' situation and the voice of BB....

[DemolitionRed]

But putting it in context Jaxie, if all this happened while they were alone in the bedroom it would be creepy and horrible, as it was it was being played out by a drunk Aaron clapped on by some of the house alphas in a fully lit bedroom with 40 cameras on them, there was no danger or malicious intent, He thought he was being funny and entertaining, if anyone had stepped up to the plate and asked him to stop, including Joel he would have

The problem was, all this was done in front of a giggling and encouraging audience and because Aaron is a little diva, he revelled in all that attention. I don't believe Aaron would of done what he did without that laughing audience. This didn't start in the bedroom, it started during that game when it was suggested that Joel kiss Aaron on the lips (lips that have had the start of a possible cold sore for the last few days) and it just grew from there.

Joel didn't know how to handle the situation in the living room and then the bedroom because he could see the rest of his house mates cheering Aaron on. He was deeply embarrassed but tried to make light of it because doing otherwise would of labelled him a spoil sport. Although Joel appears to be very grown up for his age, he's still a child and at his age, sexuality and how people perceive his sexuality is of the utmost importance. Joel didn't go to the diary room to complain, he went to the diary room to reiterate to the world and especially his friends that he's straight and wasn't happy with the present goings on in the house.

Would this of been okay if one of the guys had done this to one of the girls? Would the other house mates of cheered a guy on to flash himself and make sexual suggestions at one of the girls? If the answer is no, then what Aaron did was not okay.

Aaron and every house mate who enters the BB house know the rules. Aaron broke one of those rules and so there's nobody to blame but himself.

[Cherie]

I really see little value in equating this situation to real life as it is a controlled environment or even the "insert female" into the equation, you could also flip it and ask if a female had been in Aaron's position would she have been slung out, I am judging on what I saw, what I know of Joels and Aarons personality from past encounters with HMs, and the part the other HMs took in escalating the situation.

[Beso]

I can't believe he was kicked out for that. He wasn''t even bloody erect.

It looked to me like he was taking the piss out of Joel, so I don't think he meant any harm. It was just a bit of fun. Do you think if Joel hadn't have kicked up such a stink in the diary room Aaron would still be there?

I agree Joels entry in the diary room was the nail in the coffin and if he had maybe said how he actually felt instead of trying to save face on the outside by waffling a load of ****e then a warning would have been given and we would have had one of the better hm still in.

[-Sue-]

Looking back on the evening the time in the bath (Joel & Aaron)
Aaron - 'you know what I do to you is pure banter'
Joel - 'I Know'

^^^^^^ would have been a perfect time for Joel to pipe up that sometimes things Aaron does make him uncomfortable.. but did he .. no

Even on the sofa's during spin the bottle
Joel ' I would much rather kiss you on the bottom'
(when he was given dare to kiss Aaron on lips)

[Beso]

He wants to kiss Aarons bottom, rather than his lips..well he had the chance when it was shoved in his face.

[Valdora]

If Joel was a woman they wouldn't have even called Joel in, he would have been gone straight the way.

[Ammi]

I really see little value in equating this situation to real life as it is a controlled environment or even the "insert female" into the equation, you could also flip it and ask if a female had been in Aaron's position would she have been slung out, I am judging on what I saw, what I know of Joels and Aarons personality from past encounters with HMs, and the part the other HMs took in escalating the situation.

..I agree that it makes no difference to the sexes of the housemate's involved Cherie and the laughter/all a joke situation was completely escalated by the other housemates of course but Joel also said 'don't' 'stop' 'please stop' etc several times with that laughter...if all had just been laughter and only laughter then it may give a different impression to Aaron but in any situation like that and regardless of place/time etc the words of importance were said and should have been heard..(by all housemates as well..) which were asking Aaron to stop and he didn't because he wasn't listening to Joel, all he was hearing was laughter...and a laughter which sadly effected his judgement...if there was any playing up type thing I think it was him doing it and ignoring Joel's pleas for him to stop...

[Niamh.]

The problem was, all this was done in front of a giggling and encouraging audience and because Aaron is a little diva, he revelled in all that attention. I don't believe Aaron would of done what he did without that laughing audience. This didn't start in the bedroom, it started during that game when it was suggested that Joel kiss Aaron on the lips (lips that have had the start of a possible cold sore for the last few days) and it just grew from there.

Joel didn't know how to handle the situation in the living room and then the bedroom because he could see the rest of his house mates cheering Aaron on. He was deeply embarrassed but tried to make light of it because doing otherwise would of labelled him a spoil sport. Although Joel appears to be very grown up for his age, he's still a child and at his age, sexuality and how people perceive his sexuality is of the utmost importance. Joel didn't go to the diary room to complain, he went to the diary room to reiterate to the world and especially his friends that he's straight and wasn't happy with the present goings on in the house.

Would this of been okay if one of the guys had done this to one of the girls? Would the other house mates of cheered a guy on to flash himself and make sexual suggestions at one of the girls? If the answer is no, then what Aaron did was not okay.

Aaron and every house mate who enters the BB house know the rules. Aaron broke one of those rules and so there's nobody to blame but himself.

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[Nancy.]

Looking back on the evening the time in the bath (Joel & Aaron)
Aaron - 'you know what I do to you is pure banter'
Joel - 'I Know'

^^^^^^ would have been a perfect time for Joel to pipe up that sometimes things Aaron does make him uncomfortable.. but did he .. no

Even on the sofa's during spin the bottle
Joel ' I would much rather kiss you on the bottom'
(when he was given dare to kiss Aaron on lips)

That's another thing.

If Joel was really bothered by Aaron, then why did he place himself in that situation? Surely, if you're uncomforable with someone, the last thing you would do is share a bath with them? and did you guys notice anybody else in the room? I didn't.

[Ammi]

That's another thing.

If Joel was really bothered by Aaron, then why did he place himself in that situation? Surely, if you're uncomforable with someone, the last thing you would do is share a bath with them? and did you guys notice anybody else in the room? I didn't.

..being in the same bath was Joel's own decision to do so though, what happened in the bedroom wasn't, Joel asked Aaron to stop...

[Ellen]

That's another thing.

If Joel was really bothered by Aaron, then why did he place himself in that situation? Surely, if you're uncomforable with someone, the last thing you would do is share a bath with them? and did you guys notice anybody else in the room? I didn't.

I dont think Joel was uncomfortable with Aaron as a person but was very uncomfortable with Aaron getting overly sexual with him.

[Vicky.]

That's another thing.

If Joel was really bothered by Aaron, then why did he place himself in that situation? Surely, if you're uncomforable with someone, the last thing you would do is share a bath with them? and did you guys notice anybody else in the room? I didn't.

Sharing a large bath with someone (also when clothed) is hardly invitation for them to begin rubbing themselves on you naked..tbh

I don't think Aaron always made Joel feel uncomfortable, however there have been moments when I have thought hes pushed it a bit much. Even so, if Joel was completely comfortable with it until last night then thats besides the point. I have said so many times since yesterday but most straight guys would NOT be amused with another guy thrusting his naked body at him and bending them over, but may be ok with other (less OTT) behavior...

[ThriceShy]

I am surprised some of those blaming Joel seem unable to read body language. He was clearly quite upset by the situation, almost panicking in the way he was moving, running around, even escaping for a few minutes in the bathroom then he probably realised he could be caught alone and went back to the others.

Aside from the situation, the discomfort, the inappropriageness, people are also forgetting he kept getting naked in Joel's bed. I'd have wanted my sheets changed if someone had been rubbing their privates parts all over my bed.

If what you say is true then why didn't big brother intervene earlier?

They watched it all live and unedited and would have seen upset joel was.

[Beso]

To be honest in my opinion the only time see joel feeling uncomfortable is when asked about his sexuallity not during the more touchy feel games.

[Cherie]

He wants to kiss Aarons bottom, rather than his lips..well he had the chance when it was shoved in his face.

:joker: