some thoughts

[susie q]

I didnt realise that Marc had been in the army until last night. I cant find any information on this, does anyone else know anything?
It may explain some of his behaviour. Particularly if hes been some where like Aghanistan, and witnessed God nows what, wouldnt go so far as to call it post traumatic stress, but its a well known fact that many ex military often develop alcohol/drug problems once they leave.
Even without that army training alone does affect character (I should know I have had a number of military men in my family) His marked reluctance to let anyone get to close, (his diary room chat last night) is a typical example of what would be classed as weakness in the armed forces. Also his "His live for today, because tomorrow you might be dead" attitude is typical. (a quick well done to Joel for his role in bringing that attitude up with him, plus his diary room thoughts on Marc)
Whatever the issues with him I think hes one of the most interesting characters
that BB has had in years. In spite of his demons (he certainly has a few of those) I still like him:shrug:

[jennyjuniper]

I didnt realise that Marc had been in the army until last night. I cant find any information on this, does anyone else know anything?
It may explain some of his behaviour. Particularly if hes been some where like Aghanistan, and witnessed God nows what, wouldnt go so far as to call it post traumatic stress, but its a well known fact that many ex military often develop alcohol/drug problems once they leave.
Even without that army training alone does affect character (I should know I have had a number of military men in my family) His marked reluctance to let anyone get to close, (his diary room chat last night) is a typical example of what would be classed as weakness in the armed forces. Also his "His live for today, because tomorrow you might be dead" attitude is typical. (a quick well done to Joel for his role in bringing that attitude up with him, plus his diary room thoughts on Marc)
Whatever the issues with him I think hes one of the most interesting characters
that BB has had in years. In spite of his demons (he certainly has a few of those) I still like him:shrug:

I agree. There are layers to Marc, which the curious would like to unravel. He's a very interesting guy.

[Josy]

I can't find anything about him being in the Army either.

Marc is a very interesting housemate though IMO and he has basically admitted that he isn't as upfront and cocky as he tries to act which ties in exactly with what someone who knows him in real life said about him, I like to try work out BB housemates, how they will react and what they will say to certain situations and so on, so housemates that are as shallow as a puddle don't really interest me.

One of the most important things that makes him so likable to me is that he doesn't take everything so seriously in there, he is taking BB for what it is, a TV show that they are only going to be part of for a couple of months of their lives so he is trying to have fun, mess around, get drunk and enjoy it the best he can, a lot of the original housemates on the other hand are being far too serious about every little thing and it does get tiring to watch, I mean last night Marcus narrated that Joel had been 'interviewing' his housemates in the bedroom for over an hour, I couldn't be bothered with all that if I was in there tbh :laugh:

Marc will be the housemate that's remembered from this serious.

Anyway yeah, I don't think Marcs a bad person, or a bully or whatever else is getting thrown around about him, he definitely does go too far with his comments at times yes but you can tell he's genuinely sorry when it gets brought up to him.

Other than that, the guy is ****ing hilarious, I haven't laughed so much at this BB since he entered the house and I'm definitely glad he did.

[Niamh.]

I agree with Josy ^ But I do think he needs to reign in his comments towards the women abit, He may think it's "banter" but he's not out with his buddies and the girls clearly don't like it

[smudgie]

First class muscle bound loud foul mouthed plonker. Reminds me so much of my ex.

However, he has livened that house up and made it interesting, when he does it at the others expense it shows his true selfish character though.

[chuff me dizzy]

I knew he was ex army, my nephew is a Sgt in the Light Dragoons and Marcs banter,sense of fun is everyday banter to them ,the things him and his mates do is brilliant, but you need a sense of humour to get it, sadly some people were born without one

[Niamh.]

I knew he was ex army, my nephew is a Sgt in the Light Dragoons and Marcs banter,sense of fun is everyday banter to them ,the things him and his mates do is brilliant, but you need a sense of humour to get it, sadly some people were born without one

I don't think that's fair Chuff, I do like Marc but calling someone a cum bucket etc, isn't funny, it's pretty rude, joking or not and he should have stopped saying things like that when he was asked to, especially by Sam who's apparently his best friend in there, it's disrespectful to her to carry on with those names ets when she's told him plenty of times that she doesn't like it

[Ammi]

I can't find anything about him being in the Army either.

Marc is a very interesting housemate though IMO and he has basically admitted that he isn't as upfront and cocky as he tries to act which ties in exactly with what someone who knows him in real life said about him, I like to try work out BB housemates, how they will react and what they will say to certain situations and so on, so housemates that are as shallow as a puddle don't really interest me.

One of the most important things that makes him so likable to me is that he doesn't take everything so seriously in there, he is taking BB for what it is, a TV show that they are only going to be part of for a couple of months of their lives so he is trying to have fun, mess around, get drunk and enjoy it the best he can, a lot of the original housemates on the other hand are being far too serious about every little thing and it does get tiring to watch, I mean last night Marcus narrated that Joel had been 'interviewing' his housemates in the bedroom for over an hour, I couldn't be bothered with all that if I was in there tbh :laugh:

Marc will be the housemate that's remembered from this serious.

Anyway yeah, I don't think Marcs a bad person, or a bully or whatever else is getting thrown around about him, he definitely does go too far with his comments at times yes but you can tell he's genuinely sorry when it gets brought up to him.

Other than that, the guy is ****ing hilarious, I haven't laughed so much at this BB since he entered the house and I'm definitely glad he did.

...hmm I hardly ever disagree with you Josy on anything really and I would certainly agree that Marc's 'interesting' but I don't think he's about having fun, messing about and getting drunk etc...maybe a week or so ago I would have thought the same ...I think that he's someone who has to have and can't tolerate not having 'dominance' over people...whether it be insulting to upset them, wrestling and 'playfight' or whatever I think dominance is a big thing to him..and yes he has some charm as well because otherwise he would be a pretty grim person but I don't think he's a 'about the fun' person...I think that only reason that he dislikes Harry so much is that she won't give him that dominance...she won't openly let him see whether he's upset her with his insults, this little 'mother earth' person who runs around naked all day will not bow down to him/how dare she..so then all he could do is say that she was a brown noser because nothing else would make sense, would it...?..I mean he's Marc the big man...so he's also assuming she much be low in intelligence and mocking her so which he did with how she speaks....he goes to far because he does what he has to do to make people subservient to him and they aren't even then he goes even further to insult them...I think he (has to be..)..quite an insecure person somewhere to feel the need to do what he does to people but I don't think there is any fun or jokey about it at all or anyone in the house not getting his humour....

[chuff me dizzy]

Why you have to love Mark the BB legend ........ http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-27-incredible-story-marcs-birth

[Beetlejuice]

It's a shame that someone who clearly is an interesting character chooses to hide behind some sort of obnoxious moron act.

[Liam-]

I haven't thought he was a bully up until last nights episode.

When Jade and Nick were lying by the pool and Marc was purposely splashing them after supposedly doing it 'accidentally' all while taunting Joel and then laughing and stuff when they eventually moved away, that to me was blatant bully tactics trying to intimidate someone who Marc sees that isn't scared of him and i really didn't like it.

Up until that moment i would have agreed that he wasn't a bully, but that whole scenario, imo, showed bully tendencies.

[karezza]

There's only 50 soldiers in the Irish army and they never leave Eire.

[Niamh.]

There's only 50 soldiers in the Irish army and they never leave Eire.

Well, that's not true

[LukeB]

I can't find anything about him being in the Army either.

Marc is a very interesting housemate though IMO and he has basically admitted that he isn't as upfront and cocky as he tries to act which ties in exactly with what someone who knows him in real life said about him, I like to try work out BB housemates, how they will react and what they will say to certain situations and so on, so housemates that are as shallow as a puddle don't really interest me.

One of the most important things that makes him so likable to me is that he doesn't take everything so seriously in there, he is taking BB for what it is, a TV show that they are only going to be part of for a couple of months of their lives so he is trying to have fun, mess around, get drunk and enjoy it the best he can, a lot of the original housemates on the other hand are being far too serious about every little thing and it does get tiring to watch, I mean last night Marcus narrated that Joel had been 'interviewing' his housemates in the bedroom for over an hour, I couldn't be bothered with all that if I was in there tbh :laugh:

Marc will be the housemate that's remembered from this serious.

Anyway yeah, I don't think Marcs a bad person, or a bully or whatever else is getting thrown around about him, he definitely does go too far with his comments at times yes but you can tell he's genuinely sorry when it gets brought up to him.

Other than that, the guy is ****ing hilarious, I haven't laughed so much at this BB since he entered the house and I'm definitely glad he did.

:clap1:

The bully card gets thrown around too much, marc is deffo not a bully. It's just banter. May be a bellend but he's a great guy deep down. Helen from last year was a bully and marc isn't doing what that cretin did tbh

[Beetlejuice]

:clap1:

The bully card gets thrown around too much, marc is deffo not a bully. It's just banter. May be a bellend but he's a great guy deep down. Helen from last year was a bully and marc isn't doing what that cretin did tbh

He doesn't need to be as aggressive as her. That he is a bully boy is undeniable, frankly. That there are worse forms of bullying is also undeniable. I wonder how big a bully he'd be with the cameras turned off.

[Ammi]

:clap1:

The bully card gets thrown around too much, marc is deffo not a bully. It's just banter. May be a bellend but he's a great guy deep down. Helen from last year was a bully and matc isn't doing what that cretin did tbh

..hmmmm. it's a tricky one because I wouldn't say bully either but someone who likes to feel his dominance over others, whether they be male or female, he just does it in different way with different people...he had that with Sam already in that she was his adoring puppy but then she also conflicted that with saying that she hated him and that e was an idiot etc...so then to insult her the way he did and say that it would turn him on to see her cry ..?....hmmmm, definitely someone who feels the need to dominate and have all others 'subservient'...

[LukeB]

He doesn't need to be as aggressive as her. That he is a bully boy is undeniable, frankly. That there are worse forms of bullying is also undeniable. I wonder how big a bully he'd be with the cameras turned off.

He is not doing things to be a nasty person tho? It's fun and jokes tbh. He hasn't bullied anyone really. Just has a filthy mouth like most people do. He's an interesting character tbh like joel said. You hate him one minute then you love him the next.

[Liam-]

He is not doing things to be a nasty person tho? It's fun and jokes tbh. He hasn't bullied anyone really. Just has a filthy mouth like most people do. He's an interesting character tbh like joel said. You hate him one minute then you love him the next.

Calling someone a cumbucket and constantly making disparaging remarks against the women, even after being asked to stop being so extreme with it, is nasty and takes it away from being fun and jokes, it takes it into nastiness level imo.

[Ammi]

He is not doing things to be a nasty person tho? It's fun and jokes tbh. He hasn't bullied anyone really. Just has a filthy mouth like most people do. He's an interesting character tbh like joel said. You hate him one minute then you love him the next.

..it's a bit more than a filthy mouth to feel that you would be turned on by seeing someone cry...

[LukeB]

..hmmmm. it's a tricky one because I wouldn't say bully either but someone who likes to feel his dominance over others, whether they be male or female, he just does it in different way with different people...he had that with Sam already in that she was his adoring puppy but then she also conflicted that with saying that she hated him and that e was an idiot etc...so then to insult her the way he did and say that it would turn him on to see her cry ..?....hmmmm, definitely someone who feels the need to dominate and have all others 'subservient'...

Maybe he shouldn't have said that and he got warned for it but i think he is a misunderstood guy. I think he does this at home tbh and it's a habit or trying to avoid home sickness. The sam/marc is deffo a love hate relationship. But mard deffo doesn't say things to be a nasty person imo

[Withano]

I kind of wish I could excuse someone's behaviour that easily because he's naturally very funny, he is however also ver cruel too and he's said himself in the diary room that his behaviour is on purpose because it's his only source of entertainment..

For lack of a better word, a person who uses cruel behaviour for their own entertainment is a bully.

[LukeB]

Calling someone a cumbucket and constantly making disparaging remarks against the women, even after being asked to stop being so extreme with it, is nasty and takes it away from being fun and jokes, it takes it into nastiness level imo.

He's silly for saying it but he doesn't mean anything nasty from it tbh. He's a nice guy deep down.

[Ammi]

Maybe he shouldn't have said that and he got warned for it but i think he is a misunderstood guy. I think he does this at home tbh and it's a habit or trying to avoid home sickness. The sam/marc is deffo a love hate relationship. But mard deffo doesn't say things to be a nasty person imo

..it's not the words though, that speak his 'dominance' and the need to have it..maybe he shouldn't have said it, it wasn't the smartest thing..?..but imo it's that he thought it/that he felt it whether saying it or not...

[Beetlejuice]

My own view on bullying is not that the word gets thrown around too much but that people get too hysterical over it. Some forms are mild and tend to be little more than a guy trying to assert his authority or superiority over others. That is what Marc is all about. But people like that can soon get vicious when they don't get what they want.

[Ammi]

I kind of wish I could excuse someone's behaviour that easily because he's naturally very funny, he is however also ver cruel too and he's said himself in the diary room that his behaviour is on purpose because it's his only source of entertainment..

For lack of a better word, a person who uses cruel behaviour for their own entertainment is a bully.

...hmmm, still not sure about the bully word but definitely I think that he cannot tolerate not being 'bowed down' to as the big man..

[Liam-]

He's silly for saying it but he doesn't mean anything nasty from it tbh. He's a nice guy deep down.

I kind of wish I could excuse someone's behaviour that easily because he's naturally very funny, he is however also ver cruel too and he's said himself in the diary room that his behaviour is on purpose because it's his only source of entertainment..

For lack of a better word, a person who uses cruel behaviour for their own entertainment is a bully.

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He takes pride from saying nasty things to people and trying to exert his 'dominance' over people, he comes across as though he could be quite intimidating and he's obviously quite aggressive, the way he speaks to people and the things he says are awful

[Liam-]

But saying that, the things he says/does are awful, but I personally didn't see him as a bully until last night.

[Ammi]

My own view on bullying is not that the word gets thrown around too much but that people get too hysterical over it. Some forms are mild and tend to be little more than a guy trying to assert his authority or superiority over others. That is what Marc is all about. But people like that can soon get vicious when they don't get what they want.

...yep, insult, insult, insult and offend, offend, offend until you see the reaction you want and then 'make up' because you didn't mean it of course...

[Ammi]

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He takes pride from saying nasty things to people and trying to exert his 'dominance' over people, he comes across as though he could be quite intimidating and he's obviously quite aggressive, the way he speaks to people and the things he says are awful

...I think also it depends on who it is as well...people like Danny or Christian he's not so bad with because their 'lads'/his kind of people...but someone like Joel speaking back to him...no, no, no...not 'aving it...who is this little Joel chap, who the heck does he think he is...

[LukeB]

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He takes pride from saying nasty things to people and trying to exert his 'dominance' over people, he comes across as though he could be quite intimidating and he's obviously quite aggressive, the way he speaks to people and the things he says are awful

He's not even trying to be nasty tho. He isn't even a nasty person. He's a nice guy deep down who acts like a bellend with his banter. He's just a misunderstood guy. I mean bully? He isn't helen,pauline,alexandra,dennis and other vile cretins.

[Niamh.]

Yeah I don't see him as a bully at all. Vulgar yes, inappropriate yes, annoying to live with probably but he's not really picking on people I don't think. What is interesting is how quickly the issue himself and Jade had fizzled out. I do think she probably "gets him" a bit more than the others

[Withano]

He's not even trying to be nasty tho. He isn't even a nasty person. He's a nice guy deep down who acts like a bellend with his banter. He's just a misunderstood guy. I mean bully? He isn't helen,pauline,alexandra,dennis and other vile cretins.

To be honest, I think he's closer than you realise he is

[Liam-]

...I think also it depends on who it is as well...people like Danny or Christian he's not so bad with because their 'lads'/his kind of people...but someone like Joel speaking back to him...no, no, no...not 'aving it...who is this little Joel chap, who the heck does he think he is...

Exactly, he seems to be the most vicious with the people who don't immediately bow down to him

He's not even trying to be nasty tho. He isn't even a nasty person. He's a nice guy deep down who acts like a bellend with his banter. He's just a misunderstood guy. I mean bully? He isn't helen,pauline,alexandra,dennis and other vile cretins.

So, saying nasty things to people, for the lols, isn't being nasty? okay.
There are many kinds of bully, not just outwardly aggressive ones who intimidate people, there's such thing as verbal bullying,

'Verbal bullying occurs when someone uses language to gain power over his or her peers. The verbal bully makes use of relentless insults and teasing to bully his or her peers. For instance, a verbal bully may make fun of a peer's lack of physical capabilities, may tease a peer for being a "dummie" or "nerd", and/or may call a peer names based on appearance'

That paragraph above depicts Marc to a tee imo and not to mention telling Sam that seeing her cry turned him on, like seriously, that's beyond creepy and sick, he's vile.

[Withano]

Yeah I don't see him as a bully at all. Vulgar yes, inappropriate yes, annoying to live with probably but he's not really picking on people I don't think. What is interesting is how quickly the issue himself and Jade had fizzled out. I do think she probably "gets him" a bit more than the others

Was jade ever on that Irish towie-like programme with him or do they know each other from their personal lives, do ya know?

[LukeB]

Yeah I don't see him as a bully at all. Vulgar yes, inappropriate yes, annoying to live with probably but he's not really picking on people I don't think. What is interesting is how quickly the issue himself and Jade had fizzled out. I do think she probably "gets him" a bit more than the others

I was shocked to see him and jade getting along tbh :laugh: both having fun and i thought she didn't like him. But tbh i think the house loves him(except harry) but don't like his language like joel he praised marc in the diary room.

[Niamh.]

Was jade ever on that Irish towie-like programme with him or do they know each other from their personal lives, do ya know?

No she wasn't in that, from what I can gather she just knows him from around the "social circuit" of Dublin and it sounded like her ex knew him better and he didn't like him so it could be that she just had an idea that she didn't like him because of what her ex would tell her? That's just my speculation but it sounds like that, she said she only ever met him twice

[Ammi]

Yeah I don't see him as a bully at all. Vulgar yes, inappropriate yes, annoying to live with probably but he's not really picking on people I don't think. What is interesting is how quickly the issue himself and Jade had fizzled out. I do think she probably "gets him" a bit more than the others

..or maybe because they had their talk in the bedroom that time, he saw that he had 'won her over', she liked him so she's of no interest to him anymore...

[Withano]

Exactly, he seems to be the most vicious with the people who don't immediately bow down to him



So, saying nasty things to people, for the lols, isn't being nasty? okay.
There are many kinds of bully, not just outwardly aggressive ones who intimidate people, there's such thing as verbal bullying,

'Verbal bullying occurs when someone uses language to gain power over his or her peers. The verbal bully makes use of relentless insults and teasing to bully his or her peers. For instance, a verbal bully may make fun of a peer's lack of physical capabilities, may tease a peer for being a "dummie" or "nerd", and/or may call a peer names based on appearance'

That paragraph above depicts Marc to a tee imo and not to mention telling Sam that seeing her cry turned him on, like seriously, that's beyond creepy and sick, he's vile.

I completely agree, the word 'bully' has become almost taboo on forums for some reason but I don't really know why, bullies aren't that uncommon.

If I saw a child use the exact same behaviour in a playground, I would use the same word to define their behaviour. Just because he's an adult and he should know better, it doesn't change anything really. To me anyway.

[LukeB]

Exactly, he seems to be the most vicious with the people who don't immediately bow down to him



So, saying nasty things to people, for the lols, isn't being nasty? okay.
There are many kinds of bully, not just outwardly aggressive ones who intimidate people, there's such thing as verbal bullying,

'Verbal bullying occurs when someone uses language to gain power over his or her peers. The verbal bully makes use of relentless insults and teasing to bully his or her peers. For instance, a verbal bully may make fun of a peer's lack of physical capabilities, may tease a peer for being a "dummie" or "nerd", and/or may call a peer names based on appearance'

That paragraph above depicts Marc to a tee imo and not to mention telling Sam that seeing her cry turned him on, like seriously, that's beyond creepy and sick, he's vile.

He wasn't being nasty tho just has a foul mouth who likes to banter. He hasn't got a problem with anyone or dislike anyone. He likes Sam the most out of the house. He's clearly not a bully. Just another excuse to hate the guy.

[Ammi]

He's not even trying to be nasty tho. He isn't even a nasty person. He's a nice guy deep down who acts like a bellend with his banter. He's just a misunderstood guy. I mean bully? He isn't helen,pauline,alexandra,dennis and other vile cretins.

..I'm still not sure about the bully word but maybe...bullies do because they can, they get the reaction they want and it's irrelevant what anyone is 'deep down' or how 'misunderstood' they are ..that doesn't have any bearing over their actions at all...

[Ammi]

He wasn't being nasty tho just has a foul mouth who likes to banter. He hasn't got a problem with anyone or dislike anyone. He likes Sam the most out of the house. He's clearly not a bully. Just another excuse to hate the guy.

..so I could call you this, this, and this and some fairly unpleasant stuff and make you cry but it would be ok because all I'm intending is the 'bantz'...and actually I'm really nice and misunderstood...

[Liam-]

He wasn't being nasty tho just has a foul mouth who likes to banter. He hasn't got a problem with anyone or dislike anyone. He likes Sam the most out of the house. He's clearly not a bully. Just another excuse to hate the guy.

It's not 'just another excuse to hate the guy' at all, he's vile, the things he says, especially to women are beyond revolting, it goes way past someone with a 'foul mouth' a foul mouth i can accept and i can enjoy, but for someone to be so outwardly misogynistic and disrespectful, a nice person does not make.

That splashing act last night was also a blatant display of bully boy tactics if I've ever seen one, it was so uncomfortable to watch.

[Liam-]

I completely agree, the word 'bully' has become almost taboo on forums for some reason but I don't really know why, bullies aren't that uncommon.

If I saw a child use the exact same behaviour in a playground, I would use the same word to define their behaviour. Just because he's an adult and he should know better, it doesn't change anything really. To me anyway.

Exactly, if a spade is behaving like a spade, call it a god damn spade, not a misunderstood pickax.

[LukeB]

..so I could call you this, this, and this and some fairly unpleasant stuff and make you cry but it would be ok because all I'm intending is the 'bantz'...and actually I'm really nice and misunderstood...

But he loves sam the most in the house and i don't understand how he tried to put her down. He deffo should have said something else to cheer her up but i guess he says that back at home. Marc/Sam Have some friendship/showmance going on

[Niamh.]

Exactly, if a spade is behaving like a spade, call it a god damn spade, not a misunderstood pickax.

:laugh2:

[LukeB]

That splashing act last night was also a blatant display of bully boy tactics if I've ever seen one, it was so uncomfortable to watch.

Yeah splashing people is so offensive...
He was being annoying not nasty

[Ammi]

But he loves sam the most in the house and i don't understand how he tried to put her down. He deffo should have said something else to cheer her up but i guess he says that back at home. Marc/Sam Have some friendship/showmance going on

..I think that the only friendship they have is that she's the one who adores him most ..and that's how he treats her loyalty and adoration..?...he wants to show dominance and see her cry...

[Liam-]

Yeah splashing people is so offensive...
He was being annoying not nasty

It was the way in which he was doing it, you're right, splashing people is not offensive, but add in the taunting and the proceeding to splash until Joel got up and left, which was then followed by more taunting and laughing directed squarely at Joel, then it becomes a different issue all together.

[Withano]

Yeah splashing people is so offensive...
He was being annoying not nasty

And what do we call a fully grown man who purposely annoys a group of people who are already upset with him?

[Withano]

..I think that the only friendship they have is that she's the one who adores him most ..and that's how he treats her loyalty and adoration..?...he wants to show dominance and see her cry...

The more I think about it, the more he turns my stomach. I don't know what to name his behaviour, it's really not okay though.

[LukeB]

..I think that the only friendship they have is that she's the one who adores him most ..and that's how he treats her loyalty and adoration..?...he wants to show dominance and see her cry...

each to their own, people do have weird fantasys tbh. It's life, like you get people out there who are like christian grey who likes to dominate and hurt people with toys and stuff :laugh:

[Liam-]

'It's okay he gets turned on by women's tears, some people like Christian Grey'

What :joker:

For someone to actively get turned on by people's misery and tears, then that person must have some sort of screw loose, in Marc's case it's probably the same screw that keeps his respect in line.

[Ammi]

each to their own, people do have weird fantasys tbh. It's life, like you get people out there who are like christian grey who likes to dominate and hurt people with toys and stuff :laugh:

...it's not a case of separating it into a 'sexual fantasy' though because it's combined with his general behaviour with virtually everyone else in the house in other ways but always trying to prove his dominance, once he's done that then he cools it a bit and becomes more 'fun Marc' ...

[LukeB]

It was the way in which he was doing it, you're right, splashing people is not offensive, but add in the taunting and the proceeding to splash until Joel got up and left, which was then followed by more taunting and laughing directed squarely at Joel, then it becomes a different issue all together.

Is that why Joel praised him in the diary room? Saying he is a nice guy deep down. He was being annoying it wasn't bullying imo.

[Ammi]

The more I think about it, the more he turns my stomach. I don't know what to name his behaviour, it's really not okay though.

..I think that you've been pretty spot on about him from the start but because the house needed a bit of shaking up and Marc did that, he did seem more like the 'bantz' to me at first....

[Withano]

..I think that you've been pretty spot on about him from the start but because the house needed a bit of shaking up and Marc did that, he did seem more like the 'bantz' to me at first....

Oh definitely, I'm almost ashamed of it now but at one point he was my third favourite! His recent behaviour isn't dissimilar to his current behaviour, but the fact that it's constant and always lacks remorse has made me realise that he's probably just another dickhead

[Liam-]

Is that why Joel praised him in the diary room? Saying he is a nice guy deep down. He was being annoying it wasn't bullying imo.

I'm talking about my opinion, not Joel's and imo, that display was a blatant attempt to try and intimidate someone who Marc knows won't back down to him.

[Niamh.]

..I think that you've been pretty spot on about him from the start but because the house needed a bit of shaking up and Marc did that, he did seem more like the 'bantz' to me at first....

Oh definitely, I'm almost ashamed of it now but at one point he was my third favourite! His recent behaviour isn't dissimilar to his current behaviour, but the fact that it's constant and always lacks remorse has made me realise that he's probably just another dickhead

hhhmmm I'm still undecided about him, I like him on the one hand and think everyone else is being too serious but I really don't like some of the stuff he's been saying to the women in there, it is disrespectful no matter what way you spin it

[Liam-]

I'll admit, that while i do see some bully tendencies in him, the bully tag being placed on him, could be arguable.

But Marc is definitely the iron clad definition of misogyny, idc what anyone says :laugh:

[LukeB]

I'm talking about my opinion, not Joel's and imo, that display was a blatant attempt to try and intimidate someone who Marc knows won't back down to him.

It wasn't itimidating at all imo he's just splashing him lmao.

[Ammi]

Oh definitely, I'm almost ashamed of it now but at one point he was my third favourite! His recent behaviour isn't dissimilar to his current behaviour, but the fact that it's constant and always lacks remorse has made me realise that he's probably just another dickhead

..I think also, he's only really getting away with some things because those things are with housemates that are not particularly popular anyway/or a mixed thing...when Harry and Nick had tea together and he had to be there..he really was behaving quite aggressively with Harry, putting his hands and fingers through the cakes..(which he apparently wasn't bothered about because he doesn't even eat cake..)..and holding them up to her face and saying that he could do what he wanted...(no one could stop him basically...)...Nick didn't look amused at all but just looked awkward and didn't do anything..)...but then with Sam..?...she's shown nothing but loyalty toward him which she doesn't need to feel at all just because they're both 'newbies'...but with that she's also said that she hated him because of his behaviour so that comment her made about enjoying seeing her cry was quite revealing I think...she wasn't quite as adoring as he wanted her to be...

[Ammi]

I'll admit, that while i do see some bully tendencies in him, the bully tag being placed on him, could be arguable.

But Marc is definitely the iron clad definition of misogyny, idc what anyone says :laugh:

...hmmm I'm not even sure that it's misogyny, he may do things differently with males/females but he's still trying to be dominant over everyone, which he sometimes does with playfighting/wrestling etc...obviously he can't so much do that with the smaller..(physically built) guys so he just insults them to put them down...

[chuff me dizzy]

'It's okay he gets turned on by women's tears, some people like Christian Grey'

What :joker:

For someone to actively get turned on by people's misery and tears, then that person must have some sort of screw loose, in Marc's case it's probably the same screw that keeps his respect in line.

He was joking

[susie q]

I knew he was ex army, my nephew is a Sgt in the Light Dragoons and Marcs banter,sense of fun is everyday banter to them ,the things him and his mates do is brilliant, but you need a sense of humour to get it, sadly some people were born without one

Yes I have a nephew who was in the army (he served in Iraq), he has the same sense of humour, and did have similar issues drink until he met his fiance, hes happily settled now. My father was also in the army during ww11, but he was old school, stiff upper lip etc. so also used to army fellas. So do you know anymore about Marcs service record? Just out of interest.

[Withano]

..I think also, he's only really getting away with some things because those things are with housemates that are not particularly popular anyway/or a mixed thing...when Harry and Nick had tea together and he had to be there..he really was behaving quite aggressively with Harry, putting his hands and fingers through the cakes..(which he apparently wasn't bothered about because he doesn't even eat cake..)..and holding them up to her face and saying that he could do what he wanted...(no one could stop him basically...)...Nick didn't look amused at all but just looked awkward and didn't do anything..)...but then with Sam..?...she's shown nothing but loyalty toward him which she doesn't need to feel at all just because they're both 'newbies'...but with that she's also said that she hated him because of his behaviour so that comment her made about enjoying seeing her cry was quite revealing I think...she wasn't quite as adoring as he wanted her to be...

Completely agree, I think he's one of those people who expect a laugh and will always one-up himself until he gets one. I don't think he really knows the difference between people genuinely laughing and people laughing out of awkwardness or nervousness either.

[LukeB]

He was joking

I did think he didn't mean it but who knows.

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes I have a nephew who was in the army (he served in Iraq), he has the same sense of humour, and did have similar issues drink until he met his fiance, hes happily settled now. My father was also in the army during ww11, but he was old school, stiff upper lip etc. so also used to army fellas. So do you know anymore about Marcs service record? Just out of interest.

My nephew has done Iraq,Bosnia,Afghan 3 times ,he finishes his contract next year,he will be lost, once a soldier,always a soldier, its his stag do next month with his army,ex army mates in Benidorm can you even imagine it ?:joker: he has 2 ex soldiers as his best men, can you imagine their speeches? I LOVE army banter ,I think this is one of the reasons I howl at Marc,he reminds me of my nephews mates

[rusticgal]

I didnt realise that Marc had been in the army until last night. I cant find any information on this, does anyone else know anything?
It may explain some of his behaviour. Particularly if hes been some where like Aghanistan, and witnessed God nows what, wouldnt go so far as to call it post traumatic stress, but its a well known fact that many ex military often develop alcohol/drug problems once they leave.
Even without that army training alone does affect character (I should know I have had a number of military men in my family) His marked reluctance to let anyone get to close, (his diary room chat last night) is a typical example of what would be classed as weakness in the armed forces. Also his "His live for today, because tomorrow you might be dead" attitude is typical. (a quick well done to Joel for his role in bringing that attitude up with him, plus his diary room thoughts on Marc)
Whatever the issues with him I think hes one of the most interesting characters
that BB has had in years. In spite of his demons (he certainly has a few of those) I still like him:shrug:


Well said Suzie...I agree, Marc has some issues, preferring not to be liked by the other housemates and concerned that he is growing to like some of them, shows some underlying emotions. I like him though...

[susie q]

...hmm I hardly ever disagree with you Josy on anything really and I would certainly agree that Marc's 'interesting' but I don't think he's about having fun, messing about and getting drunk etc...maybe a week or so ago I would have thought the same ...I think that he's someone who has to have and can't tolerate not having 'dominance' over people...whether it be insulting to upset them, wrestling and 'playfight' or whatever I think dominance is a big thing to him..and yes he has some charm as well because otherwise he would be a pretty grim person but I don't think he's a 'about the fun' person...I think that only reason that he dislikes Harry so much is that she won't give him that dominance...she won't openly let him see whether he's upset her with his insults, this little 'mother earth' person who runs around naked all day will not bow down to him/how dare she..so then all he could do is say that she was a brown noser because nothing else would make sense, would it...?..I mean he's Marc the big man...so he's also assuming she much be low in intelligence and mocking her so which he did with how she speaks....he goes to far because he does what he has to do to make people subservient to him and they aren't even then he goes even further to insult them...I think he (has to be..)..quite an insecure person somewhere to feel the need to do what he does to people but I don't think there is any fun or jokey about it at all or anyone in the house not getting his humour....

I think that the only reason Harry doesnt like Marc is because she wants the dominant role in the house, after all being dominant is what she does fora living. Shes no earth mother either. Shes also rather whiny, moany and needy.
Plus this is not a thread about her.

[chuff me dizzy]

I think that the only reason Harry doesnt like Marc is because she wants the dominant role in the house, after all being dominant is what she does fora living. Shes no earth mother either. Shes also rather whiny, moany and needy.
Plus this is not a thread about her.

:clap1: She's jealous of the limelight he's getting

[Ammi]

Completely agree, I think he's one of those people who expect a laugh and will always one-up himself until he gets one. I don't think he really knows the difference between people genuinely laughing and people laughing out of awkwardness or nervousness either.

...even from the offing really with Jade..he kept 'throwing things out there'..like her accent wasn't real/her modelling wasn't real'..polyamorous etc...?...saying he KNEW..he KNEW these things to be true...and she kept saying, well tell us all then, tell us what you KNOW...but he didn't because I believe it was all a control thing to throw her off so she would be thinking what the heck...and of course he did upset her sufficiently and then they called a 'truce' and she said that she liked him really so job done really....

[Kizzy]

Helen said nasty things when she was being nasty... yes that's wrong.

Marc says equally as bad if not worse comments and it's ok as it's 'banter'? no, sorry that doesn't wash.

She's told him time and time again not to speak to her like that, banter is a laugh between friends with the same sense of humour...therefore this isn't banter.

[Ammi]

I think that the only reason Harry doesnt like Marc is because she wants the dominant role in the house, after all being dominant is what she does fora living. Shes no earth mother either. Shes also rather whiny, moany and needy.
Plus this is not a thread about her.

..there has been nothing at all in Harry's character in the house that has said 'dominant', she hasn't showed any dominance over any housemate whether they be a friend or a 'foe'....she just hasn't succumbed to Marc and stands up to him at times...

[susie q]

But he loves sam the most in the house and i don't understand how he tried to put her down. He deffo should have said something else to cheer her up but i guess he says that back at home. Marc/Sam Have some friendship/showmance going on

Marcs behaviour towards Sam demonstrates very nicely my original point about him finding it difficult to let people get close to him, not macho etc. or to put it another way, hes like the little boy in the playground, who likes a girl but doesnt know how to tell her so he pulls her pigtails instead.

[susie q]

..there has been nothing at all in Harry's character in the house that has said 'dominant', she hasn't showed any dominance over any housemate whether they be a friend or a 'foe'....she just hasn't succumbed to Marc and stands up to him at times...

Then put that in another thread about her, as stated this iis not a thread about her!

[Withano]

Marcs behaviour towards Sam demonstrates very nicely my original point about him finding it difficult to let people get close to him, not macho etc. or to put it another way, hes like the little boy in the playground, who likes a girl but doesnt know how to tell her so he pulls her pigtails instead.

Most children were told that this isn't okay :spin:

[Ammi]

Then put that in another thread about her, as stated this iis not a thread about her!

..as you know Susie, I replied directly to your post mentioning Harry's apparent dominance yourself when you quoted my post...but don't intend to make another post about something that I don't belief exists so no threads really...

[the truth]

Calling someone a cumbucket and constantly making disparaging remarks against the women, even after being asked to stop being so extreme with it, is nasty and takes it away from being fun and jokes, it takes it into nastiness level imo.

sexist nonsense. he gives just as much stick to the guys

[Liam-]

sexist nonsense. he gives just as much stick to the guys

Ofc, what guy has he made overtly misogynistic, disgustingly vile, sexual comments to? I don't recall him calling any of the men cumbuckets, or telling Simon than when he cried he imagined it was him making him cry through sexual pain, but please enlighten me with your insight on something we haven't seen.

[DemolitionRed]

The man behaves like a needy narcissist who will do or say anything for a rise. His need for constant attention and his hyperactive personality is only funny up to a point. He doesn't know when to stop, just like that irritating child that's spoiling your kids birthday party.

As for the comment about hurting Sam, he's obviously a fan of '50 Shades of Gray' and believes this is what all women want from a man...what a dick!

The man suffers from God syndrome, from the love of his own body (which I think is revolting) to that pushy personality of his and the only reason most of the house mates are being pally with him is, they don't want to be the next person on the end of his tongue.

[Tarryn]

Marc has kind of ruined this series for me.
He is a vile & disgusting human being.
He is so childish & attention seeking.
Why BB have not ejected him for so many bad things is beyond me.
His comments towards women are not acceptable.
The sad thing is that he will probably go into the secret room Friday & may even win the series :nono:

[jennyjuniper]

I haven't thought he was a bully up until last nights episode.

When Jade and Nick were lying by the pool and Marc was purposely splashing them after supposedly doing it 'accidentally' all while taunting Joel and then laughing and stuff when they eventually moved away, that to me was blatant bully tactics trying to intimidate someone who Marc sees that isn't scared of him and i really didn't like it.

Up until that moment i would have agreed that he wasn't a bully, but that whole scenario, imo, showed bully tendencies.

I could be wrong, but to me that would only be bullying if the person or persons WERE scared of Marc.

[DemolitionRed]

I could be wrong, but to me that would only be bullying if the person or persons WERE scared of Marc.

And how do we know that some of them aren't frightened of Marc? I could name a number of them that I believe are afraid of him.

[LukeB]

I could be wrong, but to me that would only be bullying if the person or persons WERE scared of Marc.

yeah you are right,3 of them are deffo not scared of Marc

[LukeB]

Marcs behaviour towards Sam demonstrates very nicely my original point about him finding it difficult to let people get close to him, not macho etc. or to put it another way, hes like the little boy in the playground, who likes a girl but doesnt know how to tell her so he pulls her pigtails instead.

I think you got it spot on here.

[chuff me dizzy]

You are all attacking Marc,but can you bear to imagine this series without him ? I would have switched off by now

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.oddschecker.com/tv/big-brother/winner Marc fav to win !!!! :dance:

[liqidclark]

He's a typical narcissist, which always comes from insecurity. I don't find it funny, I find it pathetic.

As for the house being boring without him, that's not a fact. That's what BB told you to think.

I thought it was just getting interesting before the newbs arrived, and then it became the same old ****-show we've seen for years on many reality shows. I was really interested in the fall-out from Aaron's removal, for example. There was some authentic conflict between Sarah and Joel that would have been pretty controversial, IMO, because they both had good points and bad. It was an actual grey area, actual messy human interaction that would have people talking about something we haven't already discussed ad nauseum for years.

Now it's just Marc making fart jokes and being an obnoxious clown while the others react, and we're having the same old discussions about whether or not this troll has a soft side, or whether or not he's a bully. It's boring now because it's the same **** that goes on in countless other reality shows, but we're discussing it like mugs as if it's some new breath of fresh air, some revolutionary development. Because BB told us to talk about it that way.

But we all know how The Marc Show will play out (because we saw The Helen Show and The Perez Show and so on), while there was room for anything to happen with the original housemates. But now it will only be Marc's story, which can only go about two different ways. So no, he hasn't saved the show (another BB talking point) by doing the most predictable thing an attention-starved fool could do on a show like this. He's just kept it from progressing in any original way, put the show back into the same old, easy-to-produce story rut that BB has lazily relied on for years now.

If you like him, you like him, but don't tell me he's a unique character, or that what he brings to the show is in any way original. This is all by-the-numbers stuff.

[Macie Lightfoot]

If Marc really was kind and sweet and funny, maybe we'd see more of that and less of him threatening to stick his dick in Sam's eye socket or whatever? #foodforthought

[Richkingretro]

I find it odd that someone who drinks as much as he said he does has such a low alcohol tolerance and gets smashed on one bottle of wine

But I don't except PTS excuses being a bully even if true.

Something about Marc does not add up some where