Waitrose, M&S and the Co-op to Sainsbury’s, Asda and Boots : Sandwich Scandal

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293FA15100000578-0-image-m-6_1433711777877.jpg
Hey Fella get your hand of my Lettuce


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/296E379600000578-0-image-a-8_1433711796181.jpg
You are pissing me off now

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293F9D7300000578-0-image-a-18_1433712025218.jpg
You are a Sloppy Worker

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293FB0EE00000578-0-image-a-23_1433712032178.jpg
what a mess


Scandal


Greencore sandwich factory in Worksop, Nottinghamshire, gets through 300,000 loaves of bread every week
Three million sandwiches are made by army of 2,000 workers who use their bare hands to put together your lunch
Sandwiches are sold at chain stores ranging from Waitrose, M&S and the Co-op to Sainsbury’s, Asda and Boots
Half of the company's workers are from outside the UK, and many at the 24-hour factory are Polish agency workers


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3114625/How-make-lunchtime-sarnie-s-hands-Britain-s-biggest-sandwich-factory-migrant-workers-help-churn-THREE-MILLION-week.html#ixzz3cSg1XJE5

[Smithy]

What? There isn't even a link to anything

[Mystic Mock]

They certainly don't love Glove World.

Tbh I'm a Germophobe so I think that this is beyond disgusting.

[Mystic Mock]

They certainly don't love Glove World.

Tbh I'm a Germophobe so I think that this is beyond disgusting.

[arista]

What? There isn't even a link to anything



Give me a chance

[Smithy]

Give me a chance

Maybe put it in post before you click submit in future :hee:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293FA76F00000578-0-image-a-41_1433712143616.jpg
Bacon does have Gloves

[arista]

Maybe put it in post before you click submit in future :hee:



No
I am to busy

[joeysteele]

I make my own sandwiches, would never buy one from a supermarket.
If out and wanting a sandwich,I would only have a freshly made one that I saw being made too.

[arista]

I make my own sandwiches, would never buy one from a supermarket.
If out and wanting a sandwich,I would only have a freshly made one that I saw being made too.


How Nice

[Kizzy]

This looks like a set up, what sandwich has that much filling? :/
I don't buy prepacked butties either :yuk:

[smudgie]

Shut the place down.
It's quite laughable that they wear the hairnets for hygiene and then don't wear gloves to make the sarnies.
God only inows what they have been doing with those hands. :yuk:

[arista]

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Stop Day Dreaming
you have a job - get up the ladder

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293FA45A00000578-0-image-a-53_1433712229902.jpg
Feckin Hell Fella Your Hands have Blood on them

[arista]

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Get a Move on
AsdaWalmart wants them Fresh

[arista]

Shut the place down.
It's quite laughable that they wear the hairnets for hygiene and then don't wear gloves to make the sarnies.
God only inows what they have been doing with those hands. :yuk:


They Claim everyone hands are
washed before getting on the line

But that bloke with Blood - is not good

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293FAE9B00000578-0-image-a-52_1433712221169.jpg
Unpaid Lunch Time break

[armand.kay]

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nnn

[Will.]

looks delicious joking, why do they use mayonnaise instead of butter?

[arista]

looks delicious joking, why do they use mayonnaise instead of butter?


Its a special mix

[Will.]

Its a special mix

oh ok, just looked like it so thought it was, do you know what the mix is?

[Kizzy]

skin cells, sweat and bacteria ...bon appetit :hee:

[reece(:]

What about Tesco :suspect:

[arista]

What about Tesco :suspect:


Not confirmed by that Midlands Plant
but Greencore
may make Tesco's Stock
in another Plant

On that First link the Greencore Video
shows Tesco as a main customer

[arista]

skin cells, sweat and bacteria ...bon appetit :hee:


But Greencore
say all workers wash hands fully
before going onto a production line

[Will.]

Tesco swandwhiches are actually quite nice, they look like the've been made well, M&S ones are ok as well I think.

[Kizzy]

But Greencore
say all workers wash hands fully
before going onto a production line

Not good enough.

[jackc1806]

Hey Fella get your hand of my Lettuce

You are pissing me off now

You are a Sloppy Worker

what a mess


me

[arista]

Not good enough.



You need a tour in there

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293FA1FD00000578-0-image-m-3_1433711741645.jpg

[Samuel.]

I had no idea these type of things were still put together by humans

Technology needs to put some more people out of work already

[arista]

I had no idea these type of things were still put together by humans

Technology needs to put some more people out of work already


Yes China is working on robots
that can work Non stop
but humans must ensure the line
is running at full stock for them

[arista]

Tesco swandwhiches are actually quite nice, they look like the've been made well, M&S ones are ok as well I think.

Are Told to Double up amounts
for that Tricky Company

[Kizzy]

You need a tour in there

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293FA1FD00000578-0-image-m-3_1433711741645.jpg

Why?

[arista]

Why?


So you will see all hand washing is working well

[Jason.]

Those pictures look vile.

But this doesn't affect me, anyway. I've never brought pre-packed sandwiches from any supermarket ever, and don't intend to in the future.

I make my own homemade sandwich, if I want to have outside the home.

Plus, why is there so much mayonnaise on that sandwich? Nasteh!

[arista]

Those pictures look vile.

But this doesn't affect me, anyway. I've never brought pre-packed sandwiches from any supermarket ever, and don't intend to in the future.

I make my own homemade sandwich, if I want to have outside the home.

Plus, why is there so much mayonnaise on that sandwich? Nasteh!


It has a weight
so thats the Main Filler
in some cases


[The industrial plant are part of an operation that makes a staggering three million sandwiches a week]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3114625/How-make-lunchtime-sarnie-s-hands-Britain-s-biggest-sandwich-factory-migrant-workers-help-churn-THREE-MILLION-week.html#ixzz3cTHHIxpP

[arista]

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Squash it down then , Lady

[Kizzy]

So you will see all hand washing is working well

How do you know this?

[Amy Jade]

bet they do worse when the cameras are off too

[Jason.]

Those pictures are sickening.
I'm steering clear from this thread.

[arista]

How do you know this?

It was on SkyNewsHD

[Kizzy]

It was on SkyNewsHD

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293FA45A00000578-0-image-a-53_1433712229902.jpg

Look at the open sores and the suspiciously infected looking fingers of this person, tell me your opinion of whether this is a safe practice, not the opinion of sky news.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293FA45A00000578-0-image-a-53_1433712229902.jpg

Look at the open sores and the suspiciously infected looking fingers of this woman, tell me your opinion of whether this is a safe practice, not the opinion of sky news.


Yes I posted that
moaning about the Blood

[Kizzy]

Then how will handwashing prevent sores weeping?

[Daniel.]

I've been put off chicken and bacon wraps from Tesco now </3

[Gstar]

The article gives you the impression that it's the foreign people who are unhygeinic which I think is unfair. I bet it's mostly the British people who don't use gloves

[Toy Soldier]

Pre-packed things are generally pretty rank. However, to play devil's advocate here, I worked as a chef (in a student pub - finest burgers, fish and chips, bangers and mash and macaroni cheese in town :joker: ) and you don't wear gloves working in a kitchen, you just frequently wash your hands and have to be careful not to cross-contaminate or touch yourself. On the face / hair / clothes obviously. You have to touch yourself "in that way" sometimes, or you wouldn't be able to make the special sauce.

[arista]

Then how will handwashing prevent sores weeping?


Yes I agree that worker
should be on a Glove
duty shift


Thats bad

[Crimson Dynamo]

here for all the fecal matter being put nicely in the sandwiches


mmmmm




taste the jobbies :hee:

[Livia]

When you go to a nice restaurant, do you imagine that the chef and all his or her minions wear gloves while they sort out your dinner? No. So long as their hands are washed properly, I don't see a problem.

When was the last time you yourself wore gloves to make someone else a sandwich?

[Livia]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293FA45A00000578-0-image-a-53_1433712229902.jpg

Look at the open sores and the suspiciously infected looking fingers of this person, tell me your opinion of whether this is a safe practice, not the opinion of sky news.

"Open sores"? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong picture.

[joeysteele]

Anyone preparing sandwiches need to wear gloves and to change those gloves when dealing with different cooked meats too.

No risks should be taken whatsoever in the case of food preparation,washing of hands is not enough, you couldn't be sure whether the hands were washed thoroughly or if it was a quick rinse under the tap.

Again I say,if I was buying a sandwich, it would have to be one I could see being made and if anyone prepared a sandwich for me not wearing clear gloves, then no way would I touch it.
Food hygiene is to important to take even the slightest of risks with.

[Toy Soldier]

You can't work in a kitchen wearing gloves though Joey. For mass production you might be right but for "food preparation" across the board it's just not feasible. For example, using plastic gloves while preparing raw chicken then taking them off to prep other foods actually carries a higher risk of cross contamination than simply washing your hands after handling the raw meat. Also the reduced manual dexterity and sensation in gloves increases the risk of cuts and burns during prep and cooking, which is obviously both a safety and a hygiene issue.

[joeysteele]

You can't work in a kitchen wearing gloves though Joey. For mass production you might be right but for "food preparation" across the board it's just not feasible. For example, using plastic gloves while preparing raw chicken then taking them off to prep other foods actually carries a higher risk of cross contamination than simply washing your hands after handling the raw meat. Also the reduced manual dexterity and sensation in gloves increases the risk of cuts and burns during prep and cooking, which is obviously both a safety and a hygiene issue.

I've been in sandwich shops where the staff have prepared a chicken sandwich then removed the gloves,disposable gloves, and discarded them completely putting a new pair on to prepare something else.
If they are making numbers of chicken sandwiches then prepare all those and then move on to other sandwich ranges,changing and discarding gloves at every point.

That sandwich shop had boxes of those disposable gloves on the counter and the insistence is that gloves have to be used at all times.
People with cuts and burns really should not be preparing any food and certainly not with no gloves on.
I am extremely fussy as to my food preparation and I expect the highest of standards from anyone or any company in their preparation of food, especially as to cold sandwiches.

Hot sandwiches,as to the meat content should have been cooked enough to kill off bacteria,then again I would expect tongs,ladles and spoons to be used ,even in preparing them for someone else.

This is M&S,ASDA,Waitrose etc in this report,big companies, they should be doing a lot better in my view anyway.
Proper hygiene, proper protection and the right people preparing the sandwiches too.
No excuses for me for anything less.

[arista]

Yes also Cocky Sainsburys
and Expensive Boots
Joey.

[Toy Soldier]

Fine for sandwich shops / sandwich prep Joey but if you feel that strongly about it, I'd recommend that you never go out for dinner again, to any restaurant or pub, because using gloves at all times to prepare cooked meals is simply not feasible nor is it optimally hygienic. It doesn't happen.

[arista]

Fine for sandwich shops / sandwich prep Joey but if you feel that strongly about it, I'd recommend that you never go out for dinner again, to any restaurant or pub, because using gloves at all times to prepare cooked meals is simply not feasible nor is it optimally hygienic. It doesn't happen.


Thats OK
I never get Ill
I am Tough

[Toy Soldier]

Thats OK
I never get Ill
I am Tough
Probably because you haven't been too overly obsessed with food hygiene, arista!

Which is another point. People (all animals, actually) need a good intake of germs and bacteria to build gut strength and the immune system so that if you DO happen to gobble down something nasty, like salmonella, your body can fight it off.

[arista]

Probably because you haven't been too overly obsessed with food hygiene, arista!

Which is another point. People (all animals, actually) need a good intake of germs and bacteria to build gut strength and the immune system so that if you DO happen to gobble down something nasty, like salmonella, your body can fight it off.


Very True

[joeysteele]

Fine for sandwich shops / sandwich prep Joey but if you feel that strongly about it, I'd recommend that you never go out for dinner again, to any restaurant or pub, because using gloves at all times to prepare cooked meals is simply not feasible nor is it optimally hygienic. It doesn't happen.

I would only have hot food in a restaurant anyway and as I said, that will have been cooked, or should have been, enough to kill off any bacteria.
I would never have a cold salad in a restaurant or even bits of any salad with anything I ate unless I saw it prepared and going on my plate in front of me.

I am just really fussy as to my food and what I eat,I had food poisoning as a child and never forgot it.
No way for me anyway, should anyone prepare cold foods/snacks with no disposable gloves on, it may take that bit longer and be an inconvenience but at least it will be safer for the person who has to eat what is prepared.

[arista]

"I am just really fussy as to my food and what I eat,"


Yes not a good way to be if
we go into WW3

[Kizzy]

"Open sores"? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong picture.

Maybe you are, I see fresh red sores on that finger.

[joeysteele]

"I am just really fussy as to my food and what I eat,"


Yes not a good way to be if
we go into WW3

If there was ever a 'real' world war 3,(you have a possible obsession as to a WW3), I doubt eating would be that important,few would likely survive anyway.

Since I enjoy good health and make sure what I eat is correctly cooked.
That I know my food is prepared correctly and more to the point to the highest levels of hygiene,then I think how I am, is a really good way to be.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just eat a lovely sainsbury egg and cress sandwich a minute ago. No probs about how it was prepared. I also had some apple juice and some sausage and tomato crisps. The dog gets the corners. We have the same car picnic every monday and so far we are not dead.

[arista]

If there was ever a 'real' world war 3,(you have a possible obsession as to a WW3), I doubt eating would be that important,few would likely survive anyway.

Since I enjoy good health and make sure what I eat is correctly cooked.
That I know my food is prepared correctly and more to the point to the highest levels of hygiene,then I think how I am, is a really good way to be.


Thats as I can see the Future

[Toy Soldier]

"I am just really fussy as to my food and what I eat,"


Yes not a good way to be if
we go into WW3
This genuinely made me laugh. Only you could manage to fit WW3 into a thread about sandwiches :joker:.

[joeysteele]

This genuinely made me laugh. Only you could manage to fit WW3 into a thread about sandwiches :joker:.

:joker: He is a real character our arista,he and I don't agree much but I think he is fantastic.

No, I take your points too as to sandwiches ad professional kitchens ToySoldier,it is just that I am extremely fussy as to what I eat and how it is prepared.
If I trust the person cooking, no problem.

It is why even when at Uni, I did all the cooking for the 4 of us who shared a house at that time.
Then again, had I waited for them to do it,we would have likely never eaten.:joker:

[Toy Soldier]

:joker: He is a real character our arista,he and I don't agree much but I think he is fantastic.

No, I take your points too as to sandwiches ad professional kitchens ToySoldier,it is just that I am extremely fussy as to what I eat and how it is prepared.
If I trust the person cooking, no problem.

It is why even when at Uni, I did all the cooking for the 4 of us who shared a house at that time.
Then again, had I waited for them to do it,we would have likely never eaten.:joker:
That's fair enough, no one sensible would have eaten anything out of my Uni house kitchen. It was foul. We had maggots three times :joker:.

[Kazanne]

Subway,always use gloves when doing subs and you watch them doing it.

[Vanessa]

We always wear gloves at our factory. It's not allowed to touch food without them.

[Kizzy]

I couldn't be doing with this fine dining if they maul your food, I'm so gauche.

[Toy Soldier]

Subway,always use gloves when doing subs and you watch them doing it.
Pity the meat tastes like ground up hooves and bollocks.

[Kizzy]

Pity the meat tastes like ground up hooves and bollocks.

Good job kaz is a veggie :joker:

[LemonJam]

When you go to a nice restaurant, do you imagine that the chef and all his or her minions wear gloves while they sort out your dinner? No. So long as their hands are washed properly, I don't see a problem.

When was the last time you yourself wore gloves to make someone else a sandwich?

:clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I dropped a venison burger in the devils dogs bowl the other day but as it was going in the grill i did not mind

too many fannys worrying about germs they dont understand or exist

[Kizzy]

Hmmm you spend your days fishing flies out of your beer too, maybe you're just immune to most germs now? Some of us aren't that lucky.

[Dollface]

:yuk: will be making my own sandwiches from now on

[Nedusa]

It's true to say though that what the eye doesn't see the stomach won't fear...

It is probably for the best that we don't always see our food being made even food prepared in restaurant kitchens.

Our Stomachs are quite strong and can put up with a lot, in fact what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

If you do however get food poisoning then it's time to sue...sue ...sue.

[Kizzy]

'Infected or injured skin
Damaged skin or sores caused by injury or disease, e.g. boils and septic cuts,
can become infected with bacteria such as Staphylococcus aureus, which can
cause food poisoning. Symptoms of infection include scaling, weeping or
discharge from lesions. It is usually acceptable to continue working with food
as long as the infected area is completely covered, e.g. by use of a
distinctively coloured, waterproof dressing. If an infected lesion cannot be
effectively covered then the person should be excluded from any work likely to
lead to the contamination of food. Lesions that may not be possible to cover
adequately would include weeping lesions of the eyes, ears, mouth and gums.
Best Practice
Covering any dressings on hands with a rubber (or a similar material) glove.'

http://www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/multimedia/pdfs/publication/fitnesstoworkguide09v3.pdf

[arista]

Yes Kizzy
I knew that Cut hand (sores)was trouble


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293FA45A00000578-0-image-a-53_1433712229902.jpg

[arista]

I've been put off chicken and bacon wraps from Tesco now </3


This is Public Exposure
Well needed

[Vanessa]

They're supposed to be wearing gloves when touching food. :omgno:

[arista]

They're supposed to be wearing gloves when touching food. :omgno:


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/07/22/293FA76F00000578-0-image-a-41_1433712143616.jpg
Only at the Bacon area zone


Greencore say all staff have to wash hands before entering
the line of work

[Vanessa]

Only at the Bacon area zone


Greencore say all staff have to wash hands before entering
the line of work

It's not good enough. At our factory we always wear gloves when touching food.

[arista]

It's not good enough. At our factory we always wear gloves when touching food.


This is another system
that Health and Safety have passed


This is a Mega Big Company