Marc v Harry

[Mike]

Right now these two seem to be clashing more than anyone else so if they were up against each other who would you want out?

[smudgie]

Marc, above anybody else.

[Black Dagger]

Harry is ghastly

[karezza]

The misogynist bully.

[JTM45]

Marc!!!
His novelty value was extremely short-lived and now he's just there to demonstrate the extreme negative side-effects of taking Steroids.
While he's in there there's an eyebrow plucker going out of business so he needs to go!

[zakman440]

Harry.

[Amy Jade]

Marc the sexist bully

[andybigbro]

Both tbh :laugh:

[Patricia4]

Harry

[JoshBB]

Why is it so evenly split? Marc has been awful to people, misogynistic, and naked, all people can say about Harry is that shes had her boobs out a few times... this forum shocks and disgusts me sometimes

[LukeB]

Harry vile cretin

[Dollface]

Marc

[Dollface]

Why is it so evenly split? Marc has been awful to people, misogynistic, and naked, all people can say about Harry is that shes had her boobs out a few times... this forum shocks and disgusts me sometimes

People are calling her all sorts; Lowlife scum, vile, skank, etc.

Yet these people love Marc who has been repeatedly nasty. I just don't get it.

[Daniel.]

Marc is clearly making her feel isolated

He's absolutely a bottom ten housemate ever and vile in every sense

[Will.]

Harry

[susie q]

They are both as bad as one another. They have a lot of similaritys, which is why they clash, but on balance I would evict Harry, she plays the victim role a bit to often for my liking.

[Amy Jade]

Harry vile cretin

You've shocked me this year

[Kazanne]

Harry,bloody awful woman

[Josy]

Harry, her grubbiness, voice and playing the victim to name but a few is boring as hell.

[Rorkimaru]

I think some of the stuff being said about Harry is unfair but she is rather glum. I understand she's having a hard time but I think she's too closed off to be in the house and she's struggling with not having time to just escape from people. Also, I simply find Marc more entertaining.

[Daniel.]

It's really weird seeing people support a housemate such as Marc

He's worse than Helen ever was

[Kazanne]

You've shocked me this year

It shouldn't shock you people have different faves,last year we were together,this year we are different,it's just the game

[Ross.]

Both tbh :laugh:

This :laugh:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Marc needs to go. The show was good until production sent in a renegade clown to wreak havoc :rolleyes: Harry has his number and it ain't 118.

Of course since production loves Marc for reasons beyond me, and because Harry is a woman who gets her boobs out, she'll get booed viciously and get OFF OFF OFF chants and get evicted while Marc steamrolls to the win. Just like Helen, just like Jim Davidson, just like Gary Busey, and just like Katie Hopkins nearly did.

[LukeB]

Why is it so evenly split? Marc has been awful to people, misogynistic, and naked, all people can say about Harry is that shes had her boobs out a few times... this forum shocks and disgusts me sometimes

I don't think Harry using Marc's nationality for an insult helps her case

[ItWasJustBanter]

Marc is a mysogynist?

Harry's more damaging to females than he is, that's for sure.

[Kazanne]

Marc is a mysogynist?

Harry's more damaging to females than he is, that's for sure.

:clap1::clap1:

[Dollface]

I don't think Harry using Marc's nationality for an insult helps her case

Oh big deal. Marc has used Chloe's weight as an insult and called women cumbuckets ..but I guess that was just his amazing "banter" :rolleyes:

[Daniel-X]

The poxy little pig Harry. Can't abide her tbh and think the house will nominate her hopefully next week :fc:

[Mystic Mock]

Harry's duller so her.

[Daniel.]

Marc is a mysogynist?

Harry's more damaging to females than he is, that's for sure.

How because she gets naked and is a dominatrix?

[LukeB]

Oh big deal. Marc has used Chloe's weight as an insult ..but I guess that was just his amazing "banter" :rolleyes:

Yeah, i find it quite ignorant really. if you're going to insult someone leave their nationality out of it. I know Marc has a filthy mouth and goes too far but imo he doesn't mean it in a nasty way. He should stop and follow the rules and stop acting like a dick btw.

[jennyjuniper]

Like him or hate him, at least Marc has stirred some life into the zombies posing as housemates, whereas all Harry seems to do is undress, wash up and sulk in the bath or under a duvet.
I really want Marc to go into the secret room, because I want to see how Harry will be when she thinks she's achieved what she's been after, which is Marc out of the house.
It will also be interesting to see who she turns her spite onto next. Probably Jade.

[Josy]

Like him or hate him, at least Marc has stirred some life into the zombies posing as housemates, whereas all Harry seems to do is undress, wash up and sulk in the bath or under a duvet.
I really want Marc to go into the secret room, because I want to see how Harry will be when she thinks she's achieved what she's been after, which is Marc out of the house.
It will also be interesting to see who she turns her spite onto next. Probably Jade.

I agree it will be interesting to watch that all unfold.

[Amy Jade]

Yeah, i find it quite ignorant really. if you're going to insult someone leave their nationality out of it. I know Marc has a filthy mouth and goes too far but imo he doesn't mean it in a nasty way. He should stop and follow the rules and stop acting like a dick btw.

He doesn't mean it in a nasty way? yeah you deffo call people fat for bantz and call girls ugly *****s for giggles :umm2:

If he called me a fat ugly ***** I'd twat him simple as

[Dollface]

Yeah, i find it quite ignorant really. if you're going to insult someone leave their nationality out of it. I know Marc has a filthy mouth and goes too far but imo he doesn't mean it in a nasty way. He should stop and follow the rules and stop acting like a dick btw.

So even though he goes too far, he doesn't mean it in a nasty way (because calling someone fat can totally be considered a compliment :rolleyes: and many girls find the term cumbucket really endearing) so ya know, it's all good. But Harry gets her body out (i hate to burst everyones bubble but erm, we ALL have bodies) and she uses someones nationality in one argument and she's "vile" ?? (a very strong word to use to describe somebody)

[chuff me dizzy]

Harry,the sooner the better

[crazycolaist]

Marc, He'a a dik

[Nancy.]

I really want Marc to go into the secret room, because I want to see how Harry will be when she thinks she's achieved what she's been after, which is Marc out of the house.
It will also be interesting to see who she turns her spite onto next. Probably Jade.

Yes, this is what i'm hoping for. Once she think's she's got rid of Marc, I think she'll set her sights on Jade...and probably even Nick considering he just told her he wanted her to leave the house.

The girl is unhinged and quite frankly far worse than I ever imagined.

Thank God, there's no bunnies in the house.

[LukeB]

So even though he goes too far, he doesn't mean it in a nasty way (because calling someone fat can totally be considered a compliment :rolleyes: and many girls find the term cumbucket really endearing) so ya know, it's all good. But Harry gets her body out (i hate to burst everyones bubble but erm, we ALL have bodies) and she uses someones nationality in one argument and she's "vile" ?? (a very strong word to use to describe somebody)

Well I know for sure I never said she's vile because she gets her body out because I don't care about it. Don't have a problem with it tbh.

[Amy Jade]

Dollface :worship:

[Dollface]

Well I know for sure I never said she's vile because she gets her body out because I don't care about it. Don't have a problem with it tbh.

So your "vile" comment was because of the Irish comment she made? lol..

How can you find her vile for saying that, yet like Marc who has said way worse?

[reece(:]

Marc, his behaviour is shocking and extremely degrading to women.

[Dollface]

Dollface :worship:

:lovedup:

[LukeB]

So your vile comment was because of the Irish comment she made? lol..

How can you find her vile for saying that, yet like Marc who has said way worse?

and plenty of other things. She's quite rude as well.

[Dollface]

and plenty of other things. She's quite rude as well.

What is Marc then?

[Amy Jade]

So your "vile" comment was because of the Irish comment she made? lol..

How can you find her vile for saying that, yet like Marc who has said way worse?

http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons/images/msn/random/tea.gif

[LukeB]

What is Marc then?

Loads of things. Both are as bad as each other tbh.

[rusticgal]

Harry...she has nothing to offer now everyone's seen her tits and bits....she spends all her time with Nick. She doesn't integrate or have fun. If she was a better person she should rise above it...if you don't like someone don't let one person spoil your experience...be the bigger person.
She has nothing to offer...she's a bore and a control freak. Marc maybe a big character but everyone else manages him even though they may not like him. You are in a house with many others, you are not going to get along with everyone. Harry just drags airtime for herself..she doesn't integrate.
At least Marc has livened the dullards up..

[Kazanne]

Harry...she has nothing to offer now everyone's seen her tits and bits....she spends all her time with Nick. She doesn't integrate or have fun. If she was a better person she should rise above it...if you don't like someone don't let one person spoil your experience...be the bigger person.
She has nothing to offer...she's a bore and a control freak. Marc maybe a big character but everyone else manages him even though they may not like him. You are in a house with many others, you are not going to get along with everyone. Harry just drags airtime for herself..she doesn't integrate.
At least Marc has livened the dullards up..

:clap1::clap1:

[LukeB]

Marc is just someone you are not meant to like but can't help it, guilty pleasure. At least he brought something to the house I mean everyone is talking about him whether it's good or bad. It's great for the show to have villians tbqh.

[the_answers]

Marc is clearly bullying Harry and making her feel isolated
Not sure about "bullying" but almost everyone in there is clearly on Harry's case.
No wonder she feels isolated.

Like her or not, Harry's one of the few (along with Cristian) sticking to her beliefs in there.
Most of the rest (not Cristian) are a just a bunch of wimps and followers.

Tonight Nick was talking about pulling away from Jade (again)
Only to say he wanted Harry gone a few mins later !

Such a 'player' yet he won't even kiss Harry out in the open.
Let alone defend her before running upstairs to bumlick the others.

Nick wanted the showmance but now it's backfiring, doesn't want to be lumbered with Harry.

[Macie Lightfoot]

At least he brought something to the house

he didn't bring anything good though.

[joeysteele]

No contest at all for me Harry easily.

[LukeB]

he didn't bring anything good though.

Maybe so, But viewers love hating on somebody if you love everyone it would be boring :hee:

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's boring with Marc in there, and it wouldn't be boring if you liked everyone. That would just mean that the cast is strong.

[MB.]

...neither?

[LukeB]

It's boring with Marc in there, and it wouldn't be boring if you liked everyone. That would just mean that the cast is strong.

Yeah so boring :rolleyes:

[rusticgal]

It's boring with Marc in there, and it wouldn't be boring if you liked everyone. That would just mean that the cast is strong.

Marc has been extremely controversial...but he has told the truth. Above all he brings some fun into the house. The dancing routine tonight...it wasn't a task set by BB..but it was fun...and it was funny. He creates entertainment...he has bought a new dimension to the show albeit some controversial issues. Without him it would have been dull.
I would like to have seen him in the house with Harriet..that would have been entertaining.
Marc has been a great housemate..like Josy has said..this show will be remembered because of him.

[Nancy.]

he didn't bring anything good though.

As opposed to tits and a showmance?

[Liam-]

Marc, I actually can't stand seeing his face or hearing his voice anymore, he literally makes me sick.

[Jack_]

The correct answer is neither. It's a developing storyline and for that reason they both need to remain.

Never understand why people campaign on either side for the other housemate to be evicted when that's to the detriment of their favourite as well. It was the same with Helen and Ashleigh. They both helped each other.

[Amy Jade]

The correct answer is neither. It's a developing storyline and for that reason they both need to remain.

Never understand why people campaign on either side for the other housemate to be evicted when that's to the detriment of their favourite as well. It was the same with Helen and Ashleigh. They both helped each other.

I disagree. As it stands Marc adds nothing for me, he's just being a nasty bully.

[Liam-]

The correct answer is neither. It's a developing storyline and for that reason they both need to remain.

Never understand why people campaign on either side for the other housemate to be evicted when that's to the detriment of their favourite as well. It was the same with Helen and Ashleigh. They both helped each other.

Marc literally adds nothing to the show for me, he to me, wouldn't be a loss for the show in the slightest, I'd probably enjoy it a lot more if he wasn't there, it would certainly be a lot more light hearted

[Macie Lightfoot]

Not all storylines are created equal. Just like how not all "entertainment" is created equal. Quality over quantity.

[reece(:]

We all know Harry will go first though because she's the woman.

[LukeB]

The correct answer is neither. It's a developing storyline and for that reason they both need to remain.

Never understand why people campaign on either side for the other housemate to be evicted when that's to the detriment of their favourite as well. It was the same with Helen and Ashleigh. They both helped each other.

not marc making Harry interesting? because i doubt I would remember her when the public votes her out

[Angelika]

Both, but most of all Marc.

[Liam-]

If Marc spoke to any of my sisters the way he's spoken to and about the women in the house, I'd want his balls on a platter and his face broken and I make no apologies about that, the fact that people are defending him saying these things is baffling, he's just a ****ing cretin and nothing more.

[LukeB]

If Marc spoke to any of my sisters the way he's spoken to and about the women in the house, I'd want his balls on a platter and his face broken and I make no apologies about that, the fact that people are defending him saying these things is baffling, he's just a ****ing cretin and nothing more.

good luck with that

[Daniel.]

If Marc spoke to any of my sisters the way he's spoken to and about the women in the house, I'd want his balls on a platter and his face broken and I make no apologies about that, the fact that people are defending him saying these things is baffling, he's just a ****ing cretin and nothing more.

:clap1:

[Liam-]

good luck with that

With what boo?

[Amy Jade]

If Marc spoke to any of my sisters the way he's spoken to and about the women in the house, I'd want his balls on a platter and his face broken and I make no apologies about that, the fact that people are defending him saying these things is baffling, he's just a ****ing cretin and nothing more.

Honestly anyone with genuine respect for women should think this way imo :flutter:

No matter if Harry or Sam are strippers or nuns they're someones daughter and they shouldn't be spoken to be a man like Marc does and the banter argument doesn't wash with me, Harry is clearly upset at his comments so it's not banter it's bullying

[bots]

I had a rest from the show for a night and then watched it again last night. I'm finding it very difficult to watch the show now as I just find Marc uncomfortable and unpleasant viewing. I don't think I will be able to watch much more of it while he remains.

[Lampfan]

Honestly anyone with genuine respect for women should think this way imo :flutter:

No matter if Harry or Sam are strippers or nuns they're someones daughter and they shouldn't be spoken to be a man like Marc does and the banter argument doesn't wash with me, Harry is clearly upset at his comments so it's not banter it's bullying

Totally agree in regards to the filth he's said to Sam but not Harry. She's dished out just as much as he's dished out to her. She even said the other night that she would continue to do so cause she wanted him gone. It's not bullying cause she now decides to get upset.

[LukeB]

Honestly anyone with genuine respect for women should think this way imo :flutter:

I have genuine respect for women tbh but I only like him as a housemate not as a person. He's a guilty pleasure for me.

Totally agree in regards to the filth he's said to Sam but not Harry. She's dished out just as much as he's dished out to her. She even said the other night that she would continue to do so cause she wanted him gone. It's not bullying cause she now decides to get upset.

I also agree with this,

[Liam-]

Honestly anyone with genuine respect for women should think this way imo :flutter:

No matter if Harry or Sam are strippers or nuns they're someones daughter and they shouldn't be spoken to be a man like Marc does and the banter argument doesn't wash with me, Harry is clearly upset at his comments so it's not banter it's bullying

I find it impossible that anyone can have respect for women, or respect for anyone in general and be a fan of him and find the things he says about women funny, or entertaining, I can't see any correlation between the two imo.

[LukeB]

I find it impossible that anyone can have respect for women, or respect for anyone in general and be a fan of him and find the things he says about women funny, or entertaining, I can't see any correlation between the two imo.

you can't say that tho, you don't even know his fans personally :umm2:
I'm a fan and I respect women and that's a fact tbh.

[Liam-]

I can say that, that's my opinion, I persoanlly don't see how people can have respect for women and find the things he says about and to women funny or entertaining, sorry.

[LukeB]

I can say that, that's my opinion, I persoanlly don't see how people can have respect for women and find the things he says about and to women funny or entertaining, sorry.

It's quite silly you say that because you don't know his fans personally :umm2: Loads of women love him too tbh. I like him and I respect women and you can't say i don't because you don't know me at all.

[Liam-]

It's quite silly you say that because you don't know his fans personally :umm2: Loads of women love him too tbh. I like him and I respect women and you can't say i don't because you don't know me at all.

That's alright, you can have your opinion and I'll have mine

[LukeB]

That's alright, you can have your opinion and I'll have mine

Well it's a bit ignorant tbh

[Liam-]

If you want to think that then go ahead, that's your prerogative, I'm not going to change your mind :laugh:

[Dollface]

I can say that, that's my opinion, I persoanlly don't see how people can have respect for women and find the things he says about and to women funny or entertaining, sorry.

I somewhat agree with you there, I think people that respect women would find Marc's comments appalling

[the truth]

harry the cruel man user and man hater....she disrespects everyones wishes, the way she was speaking to nick in the kitchen was horrific, rude, nasty , aggressive ignorant...and all he was doing was taking the time out to help her like a good friend...when all shes done is use him for air time...simple as that...totally ruthless player.. such as putting clothes on when doing the food in the kitchen........shes also made a threat by asking someone to take her bottle away...shes extremely threatening aggressive and angry with no humour whatsoever....there will be more of the same....she ended tonight with he should be afraid of me..shes dishonest shes ruthless shes aggressive shes angry..shes evil....all marc has to do is be happy marc don't let her get a chance to play victim or falsely accuse him of anything stupid,give her enough rope and she will hang herself and expose the horror of a human she clearly is

[LukeB]

Being a fan of marc is not a sign "not respecting women" imo if they think he is a role model which no one does(well i haven't seen anyone say that) yes maybe. But you can't accuse people of it when you don't know them at all. It's like walking around the town centre accusing some girl you don't even know for being a slut or accusing sugatits of being a bully.Just because Marc may dislike women(which seems unlikely if he is having sex with one) doesn't mean his fans do.His fanbase is mostly females anyway

[the truth]

I find it impossible that anyone can have respect for women, or respect for anyone in general and be a fan of him and find the things he says about women funny, or entertaining, I can't see any correlation between the two imo.

some women some men deserve respect not all though...to say you respect ALL women is absurd, its sexist too....why don't you say you respect all men too? theres millions of evil men and women, murderers, thieves, liars, rapists etc of both genders, so how can you say you respect ALL women? crazy politically correct talk just to make yourself sound good, well it doesn't PC and spin are dead, people just want the truth these days.

.harry is a pretty nasty person and whilst I would never ever behave like marc, with him he takes the mickey with everyone and in the end he doesn't mean harm he just takes a joke too far.

[Liam-]

I somewhat agree with you there, I think people that respect women would find Marc's comments appalling

Thank you, that's what I was getting at :clap1:

Be a fan of his all you want idc, but agreeing, laughing at or finding the things he says and about women 'entertaining' is a completely different story imo.

[the truth]

I somewhat agree with you there, I think people that respect women would find Marc's comments appalling

But ALL women are different, why would you respect ALL women? when some are awful?
that's like saying respect ALL men? does that include hitler?
ridiculous genralizations are meaningless....no one can respect ALL women or ALL men

[Macie Lightfoot]

Just because Marc may dislike women(which seems unlikely if he is having sex with one)

is this a joke :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[the truth]

Thank you, that's what I was getting at :clap1:

Be a fan of his all you want idc, but agreeing, laughing at or find the things he says and about women is a completely different story imo.

he takes the mickey out of the men too? they laugh it off? why cant some of the women laugh it off too? wheres their sense of humour of perspective, yes he can be an eejiot but so what its just a bit of nonsense banter..some pretend to take offence for air time clearly....hes insulted joel all week, joel gives it to him double barrel but they still get along, same with sam (a woman) same with danny and Christian who marc has had several major gos at and jack...........marc for all his faults defended simon when simon was being isolated by everyone so he does back the underdog too

[Liam-]

is this a joke :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

I'll let you take that one, I cba :joker:

[LukeB]

is this a joke :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

http://i.imgur.com/fmFImsq.png

[Jack_]

Some of the comments Marc has made I don't agree with (the STI thing being one example), but I think he's a good housemate. A person maybe not so much, but as a housemate yes, and there are differences. And the idea that anyone who's a fan of Marc doesn't and cannot respect women doesn't sit well with me considering I'm one of the people who defends women and argues against sexism the most on here, not just regarding each Big Brother series but in off-season debate threads too, and anyone that can't see that is pretty deluded so

[the truth]

Some of the comments Marc has made I don't agree with (the STI thing being one example), but I think he's a good housemate. A person maybe not so much, but as a housemate yes, and there are differences. And the idea that anyone who's a fan of Marc doesn't and cannot respect women doesn't sit well with me considering I'm one of the people who defends women and argues against sexism the most on here, not just regarding each Big Brother series but in off-season debate threads too, and anyone that can't see that is pretty deluded so

I look forward to the day in 2027 when you actually see the sexism against men, inside the house and out

[LukeB]

Some of the comments Marc has made I don't agree with (the STI thing being one example), but I think he's a good housemate. A person maybe not so much, but as a housemate yes, and there are differences. And the idea that anyone who's a fan of Marc doesn't and cannot respect women doesn't sit well with me considering I'm one of the people who defends women and argues against sexism the most on here, not just regarding each Big Brother series but in off-season debate threads too, and anyone that can't see that is pretty deluded so

:clap1: preach

[Jack_]

I look forward to the day in 2027 when you actually see the sexism against men, inside the house and out

I do and you've made this point to me before and I've said exactly the same thing, if there are double standards (I wouldn't call it sexism but that's a separate debate so please don't start it) against men I will call them out

In fact, go read my posts in the Love Island discussion threads from the first and second nights and you'll see what I mean

[Liam-]

Some of the comments Marc has made I don't agree with (the STI thing being one example), but I think he's a good housemate. A person maybe not so much, but as a housemate yes, and there are differences. And the idea that anyone who's a fan of Marc doesn't and cannot respect women doesn't sit well with me considering I'm one of the people who defends women and argues against sexism the most on here, not just regarding each Big Brother series but in off-season debate threads too, and anyone that can't see that is pretty deluded so

That's why I elaborated somewhere up there ^^

While I don't understand why anyone would be a fan of him, that's not the problem, the way I see It is, I can't see how anyone can proclaim to have respect for women, yet appreciate, laugh at, or support the things he says about/to women at the same time :shrug:

[Dollface]

But ALL women are different, why would you respect ALL women? when some are awful?
that's like saying respect ALL men? does that include hitler?
ridiculous genralizations are meaningless....no one can respect ALL women or ALL men

You keep emphasizing on the word "all" but I didn't even mention ALL women so idk what you're going on about tbh

[LukeB]

That's why I elaborated somewhere up there ^^

While I don't understand why anyone would be a fan of him, that's not the problem, the way I see It is, I can't see how anyone can proclaim to have respect for women, yet appreciate, laugh at, or support the things he says about/to women at the same time :shrug:

I can't take you serious when you support Evil Dick who attacked a female but that's a different story.

[Liam-]

I can't take you serious when you support Evil Dick who attacked a female but that's a different story.

Lmao 'attacked' okay, that's a completely irrelevant situation to this, but nice try though.

[LukeB]

Lmao 'attacked' okay, that's a completely irrelevant situation to this, but nice try though.

Yeah you praised evil dick for bullying jen.

I love pouring ice tea over a females head because i don't like them :rolleyes:

[Jack_]

That's why I elaborated somewhere up there ^^

While I don't understand why anyone would be a fan of him, that's not the problem, the way I see It is, I can't see how anyone can proclaim to have respect for women, yet appreciate, laugh at, or support the things he says about/to women at the same time :shrug:

I don't support all of the things he says, the STI thing was out of order, as was his fantasy of penetrating Sam and making her cry, but with Marc I mainly support the fact that he's pissing people off, causing an atmosphere and making enemies than the things he's actually saying. It's not the comments I support, but the impact he's having is what makes him a good housemate IMO. And I totally don't buy into the argument that he is a bully, that to me is ludicrous

I can't take you serious when you support Evil Dick who attacked a female but that's a different story.

Actually that's a very good point. Now I liked Dick (lul) but the Jen incident and his general treatment of the houseguests was and is far worse than anything Marc has ever done or said, so...I'm pretty sure this whole lack of respect for women argument could be applied here also

[Lostie!]

The "Marc fans can't respect women" comments are inappropriate tbh. Can't people share different opinions without personal insults towards other forum members anymore?

I like Marc and I certainly respect women (and men, who are no less deserving of respect). I like him because I see him as a wind-up merchant, not some woman-hating bully (which is especially confusing since males have been at the brunt of his behaviour just as much).

[LukeB]

I don't support all of the things he says, the STI thing was out of order, as was his fantasy of penetrating Sam and making her cry, but with Marc I mainly support the fact that he's pissing people off, causing an atmosphere and making enemies than the things he's actually saying. It's not the comments I support, but the impact he's having is what makes him a good housemate IMO. And I totally don't buy into the argument that he is a bully, that to me is ludicrous



Actually that's a very good point. Now I liked Dick (lul) but the Jen incident and his general treatment of the houseguests was and is far worse than anything Marc has ever done or said, so...I'm pretty sure this whole lack of respect for women argument could be applied here also

:clap1: some more great post here my friend
Agree with everything you said.

[Liam-]

Luke literally can't have a single debate with me without throwing my like of Evil Dick at me, even when it's completely irrelevant, it's honestly hysterical :joker:
This is where I stop because its getting boring now, I've stated my opinion, I've defended it thoroughly, so now I'm done.

[LukeB]

Luke literally can't have a single debate with me without throwing my like of Evil Dick at me, even when it's completely irrelevant, it's honestly hysterical :joker:
This is where I stop because its getting boring now, I've stated my opinion, I've defended it thoroughly, so now I'm done.

Not really, You moan and cry "marc fans don't respect women" when you support someone who is worse than Marc. So i can't really take what you say serious tbh.

I'm a marc fan and I respect both females and males

[Liam-]

Jesus Christ, do you not read things before you form an opinion?

I've said multiple times that it's not Marc fans that make me have that opinion, you can be a Marc fan idfc, be a Marc fan, but it's when the things he says get defended blindly for being 'entertaining' or 'funny' especially the incredibly derogatory things he says, mainly against women, that is what I'm forming my opinion on, not whether someone is a Marc fan, because as Jack has proved, some Marc fans can be a fan, without supporting every vile thing he says.

That is what i have clarified once or twice already, do you understand now? Lord have mercy.

[Amy Jade]

The "Marc fans can't respect women" comments are inappropriate tbh. Can't people share different opinions without personal insults towards other forum members anymore?
That was never specifically said, but I'll speak from where I come from on that.

I've seen people on here claim it's just banter over and over again and that deep down he's this nice person but he's crossed the line far too many times and been asked to stop by housemates and BB and he's pretty much refused. His comments have offended and hurt Chloe, Jade and Harry and reduuced them to tears so for me people who find his comments funny towards women and find his constant crude words entertaining maybe don't appreciate that the women around him should not have to put up with it.

Therfore I genuinely wonder how much respect for women some people may have if they find him calling somebody a cum bucket or a ugly pig prostitute honestly amusing because personally if I saw a man call a woman those things I would be disgusted.

[LukeB]

Jesus Christ, do you not read things before you form an opinion?

I've said multiple times that it's not Marc fans that make me have that opinion, you can be a Marc fan idfc, be a Marc fan, but it's when the things he says get defended blindly for being 'entertaining' or 'funny' especially the incredibly derogatory things he says, mainly against women, that is what I'm forming my opinion on, not whether someone is a Marc fan, because as Jack has proved, some Marc fans can be a fan, without supporting every vile thing he says.

That is what i have clarified once or twice already, do you understand now? Lord have mercy.

I do read things actually and you don't need to be so condescending it's quite rude. You didn;t say that before, you just agreed with Jack tbh so :hee:

[Dollface]

The "Marc fans can't respect women" comments are inappropriate tbh. Can't people share different opinions without personal insults towards other forum members anymore?

I like Marc and I certainly respect women (and men, who are no less deserving of respect). I like him because I see him as a wind-up merchant, not some woman-hating bully (which is especially confusing since males have been at the brunt of his behaviour just as much).

I disagree with the last part of your post, he hasn't treated the men in there in the same way he has treated the women. I think Sam somewhat encourages the comments he makes toward her so I'm not too fussed about that but the things he said to Chloe were out of order and just nasty, therefore I don't get why people support him. Obviously you can all like who you want to like but it's slightly disappointing, that's all. I also don't think the posts about lack of respect for women from Marc fans were insulting as such.

[Liam-]

I do read things actually and you don't need to be so condescending it's quite rude. You didn;t say that before, you just agreed with Jack tbh so :hee:

I said it twice before, once when I quoted Dollface and once when I quoted Jack, so you obviously don't read things very well, you just skip to the bits you want to see, I wasn't being condescending, I just don't like people trying to twist my words.

[Amy Jade]

I like Marc and I certainly respect women (and men, who are no less deserving of respect). I like him because I see him as a wind-up merchant, not some woman-hating bully (which is especially confusing since males have been at the brunt of his behaviour just as much).
I totally disagree with the latter part of your comment. Sorry to split your commrnt in half but I sort of have a lot to say haha.

For me he has specifically targetted the women with lewd comments, yeah he has wound up thr guys but I haven't heard him be generally repulsive like he has to all the female housemates.

He's made personal comments to Chloe (calling her fat and saying she has STIs) Sam (baggy fanny) and now Harry (ugly, pig, prostitute, smelly...I could go on) wheras I can't think of one moment he's made fun of how a male housemate looks.

In my eyes he sees women as weaker so he picks at them.

[LukeB]

I said it twice before, once when I quoted Dollface and once when I quoted Jack, so you obviously don't read things very well, you just skip to the bits you want to see, I wasn't being condescending, I just don't like people trying to twist my words.

Sure Jan.

I still can't take you serious tbh

[Liam-]

Sure Jan.

I still can't take you serious tbh

You can 'sure Jan' me all you like, but the fact is, you're wrong, because I stated very clearly what I meant and it's not my fault if you can't be bothered to actually realise that :laugh:

Don't take me seriously, I honestly couldn't care less, idk why you think saying that is going to bother me lol

[LukeB]

Don't take me seriously, I honestly couldn't care less, idk why you think saying that is going to bother me lol

I don't think that :umm2: jeez louise

[Amy Jade]

Liam for what it's worth I think you make perfect sense and great points ♡

[Liam-]

Liam for what it's worth I think you make perfect sense and great points ♡

Thank you! :flutter:

I take the time to explain myself and defend my opinions, so it annoys me when people make out like I haven't to try and win points in some sort of vendetta.

[LukeB]

Thank you! :flutter:

I take the time to explain myself and defend my opinions, so it annoys me when people make out like I haven't to try and win points in some sort of vendetta.

it's not a game tbh, I'm not trying to win points. it's just a bloody forum.

[the truth]

if only women like harry would show men more respect for men instead of using them for material gain and air time

[Jack_]

if only women like harry would show men more respect for men instead of using them for material gain and air time

conveniently ignored me :laugh:

[Amy Jade]

if only women like harry would show men more respect for men instead of using them for material gain and air time
Oh please Nick is the one bed hopping from Jade to Harry so whos using who?

[Lostie!]

That was never specifically said, but I'll speak from where I come from on that.

I've seen people on here claim it's just banter over and over again and that deep down he's this nice person but he's crossed the line far too many times and been asked to stop by housemates and BB and he's pretty much refused. His comments have offended and hurt Chloe, Jade and Harry and reduuced them to tears so for me people who find his comments funny towards women and find his constant crude words entertaining maybe don't appreciate that the women around him should not have to put up with it.

Therfore I genuinely wonder how much respect for women some people may have if they find him calling somebody a cum bucket or a ugly pig prostitute honestly amusing because personally if I saw a man call a woman those things I would be disgusted.

I was paraphrasing, but the point that it's hard to believe that someone can have respect for people and be a Marc fan was said, and I don't think that's fair.

In regard to the specific comments you mentioned, I can say I believe he crossed some lines and I voted yes on the poll asking if he deserved his warning for his comments to Sam (but I think that was just really bad humour rather than a serious comment).

Actually, I never find his outrageous comments funny, that's not the side of Marc I'm a fan of.

I disagree with the last part of your post, he hasn't treated the men in there in the same way he has treated the women. I think Sam somewhat encourages the comments he makes toward her so I'm not too fussed about that but the things he said to Chloe were out of order and just nasty, therefore I don't get why people support him. Obviously you can all like who you want to like but it's slightly disappointing, that's all. I also don't think the posts about lack of respect for women from Marc fans were insulting as such.

Well as said above, me liking Marc has nothing to do with his comments (which I don't find funny, but I also don't believe most of them are serious).

I first started liking Marc when he objected to the ridiculous nomination of Eileen last week, and then when he provided a much needed voice of reason when everyone else in there was jumping on the "Let's hate Simon" bandwagon. His stupid comments are his downside.

And I think any posts generalising fans of a housemate and making unfair judgements are insulting, to be honest.

[Liam-]

Who generalised his fans though? I didn't

[the truth]

conveniently ignored me :laugh:

ignored who? lol:joker:

[Amy Jade]

Who generalised his fans though? I didn't

This is what I'm wondering tbh I don't believe I did either unless I've phrased something incorrectly

[the truth]

I was paraphrasing, but the point that it's hard to believe that someone can have respect for people and be a Marc fan was said, and I don't think that's fair.

In regard to the specific comments you mentioned, I can say I believe he crossed some lines and I voted yes on the poll asking if he deserved his warning for his comments to Sam (but I think that was just really bad humour rather than a serious comment).

Actually, I never find his outrageous comments funny, that's not the side of Marc I'm a fan of.



Well as said above, me liking Marc has nothing to do with his comments (which I don't find funny, but I also don't believe most of them are serious).

I first started liking Marc when he objected to the ridiculous nomination of Eileen last week, and then when he provided a much needed voice of reason when everyone else in there was jumping on the "Let's hate Simon" bandwagon. His stupid comments are his downside.

And I think any posts generalising fans of a housemate and making unfair judgements are insulting, to be honest.

goos post, he has many faults and makes mistakes and says some dumb things...but he has more qualities and has the guts to speak his honest opinion and he stuck up for the underdog too

[LukeB]

I was paraphrasing, but the point that it's hard to believe that someone can have respect for people and be a Marc fan was said, and I don't think that's fair.

In regard to the specific comments you mentioned, I can say I believe he crossed some lines and I voted yes on the poll asking if he deserved his warning for his comments to Sam (but I think that was just really bad humour rather than a serious comment).

Actually, I never find his outrageous comments funny, that's not the side of Marc I'm a fan of.



Well as said above, me liking Marc has nothing to do with his comments (which I don't find funny, but I also don't believe most of them are serious).

I first started liking Marc when he objected to the ridiculous nomination of Eileen last week, and then when he provided a much needed voice of reason when everyone else in there was jumping on the "Let's hate Simon" bandwagon. His stupid comments are his downside.

And I think any posts generalising fans of a housemate and making unfair judgements are insulting, to be honest.

Tbf, I'm quite shocked you are a fan of marc :laugh:

[the truth]

This is what I'm wondering tbh I don't believe I did either unless I've phrased something incorrectly

liam saying he respects ALL women and a few others repeating this generalized nonsense.........theres good and bad women just like men, to respect them ALL is nonsense

[the truth]

Tbf, I'm quite shocked you are a fan of marc :laugh: shocked he had the guts to post it on this man hating site?

[Lostie!]

Who generalised his fans though? I didn't

I find it impossible that anyone can have respect for women, or respect for anyone in general and be a fan of him and find the things he says about women funny, or entertaining, I can't see any correlation between the two imo.

You weren't just referring to finding his stupid comments funny here, but talking about being a fan of him in general.

I'm not having a go because we've always gotten along well, but I had to say something on this point because liking Marc doesn't mean I like everything he says and definitely doesn't mean I don't respect people.

[Liam-]

liam saying he respects ALL women and a few others repeating this generalized nonsense.........theres good and bad women just like men, to respect them ALL is nonsense

Did I actually say this though? That's the main question :joker:

[Liam-]

You weren't just referring to finding his stupid comments funny here, but talking about being a fan of him in general.

I'm not having a go because we've always gotten along well, but I had to say something on this point because liking Marc doesn't mean I like everything he says and definitely doesn't mean I don't respect people.

Yeah, I clarified what I meant afterwards, after I realised I had worded my opinion wrong, I've stated multiple times after that post that I didn't mean all fans of him :laugh:

[the truth]

Did I actually say this though? That's the main question :joker:

do you respect ALL women?

[reece(:]

shocked he had the guts to post it on this man hating site?

Maybe members wouldn't hate on the men if C5 did a decent job casting instead of giving us lifeless dullards and OTT misogynists.

[Liam-]

do you respect ALL women?

Taking away all the evil women who don't deserve respect, then yes I do.

I never once said i respected every single woman on the planet, I'm not exactly in the Myra Hindley fan club

[the truth]

Maybe members wouldn't hate on the men if C5 did a decent job casting instead of giving us lifeless dullards and OTT misogynists.

the main sexism is against men in most series, did you recall denise welch hitting Michael madsen in the face? or jade and co mocking dirk benedicts cancer and alcoholism or cutting up mens clothes etc but you ignore than. this site is packed with men haters always baging on about respecting ALL women...why single out women only for respect? isn't equality supposed to work both ways?

[the truth]

Taking away all the evil women who don't deserve respect, then yes I do.

I never once said i respected every single woman on the planet, I'm not exactly in the Myra Hindley fan club

and you respect ALL men too? minus the bad ones

[Liam-]

and you respect ALL men too? minus the bad ones

Minus the ones who don't deserve respect yes, I respect everyone

[Amy Jade]

the main sexism is against men in most series, did you recall denise welch hitting Michael madsen in the face? or jade and co mocking dirk benedicts cancer and alcoholism or cutting up mens clothes etc but you ignore than. this site is packed with men haters always baging on about respecting ALL women...why single out women only for respect? isn't equality supposed to work both ways?
It does work both ways but this current series has a housemate in it calling women cum buckets, ugly pigs and fat sti carriers.

If Gina pops in next week and starts telling all the guys they're worthless bastards, ugly mouth breathers and generally being as hidious as Marc is being damn straight I'll be calling her a horrible person too.

[LukeB]

The only people I saw laugh at Marc's comments are females, I've yet to see a male laugh at it. idk i'm tired

[reece(:]

It does work both ways but this current series has a housemate in it calling women cum buckets, ugly pigs and fat sti carriers.

If Gina pops in next week and starts telling all the guys they're worthless bastards, ugly mouth breathers and generally being as hidious as Marc is being damn straight I'll be calling her a horrible person too.
Truth :clap1:

and I wasn't here for the Dirk Benedict stuff / barely recall the Michael/Denise stuff so. I absolutely criticised her for her role in pantsgate though :shrug:

[Ammi]

http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons/images/msn/random/tea.gif

..OMG that smiley..:laugh:..

...neither?

..I love you...

The correct answer is neither. It's a developing storyline and for that reason they both need to remain.

Never understand why people campaign on either side for the other housemate to be evicted when that's to the detriment of their favourite as well. It was the same with Helen and Ashleigh. They both helped each other.


..but you got there first Jack..I would say neither as well in that the Harry V Marc is the biggest storyline atm, so it wouldn't work without either one of them there..in terms of the show and discussions etc...hmmm, I do think though that at what 'cost' the entertainment..?..I think in this situation for me as it isn't an eviction as such but going to a scret room, I would prefer Marc to over Harry just because if she did, it could be another Emma situation which could have conflict way beyond what I would think was 'entertainment' just because it's never good to see anyone with such heightened feelings as she does atm for Marc...he may have equally the same feelings for her but I think that hers atm are consuming her and anyb pleasure at all she could have had in the house and for me that's quite uncomfortable to watch just to keep 'entertainment' because these housemates are real people...


Some of the comments Marc has made I don't agree with (the STI thing being one example), but I think he's a good housemate. A person maybe not so much, but as a housemate yes, and there are differences. And the idea that anyone who's a fan of Marc doesn't and cannot respect women doesn't sit well with me considering I'm one of the people who defends women and argues against sexism the most on here, not just regarding each Big Brother series but in off-season debate threads too, and anyone that can't see that is pretty deluded so

..I actually admire you Jack..that you can 'separate' the two because I know that you genuinely can and do ..with what provokes discussion in a series and with housemates/whether positive or negative and what you would find to be a good or bad quality in real life in a person, type thing because I don't think that I can ever do that, although I do and have tried...for many people who like Marc or don't like Marc says nothing at all about them and what they think is ok or not.. but just what and who are sparking the discussions etc...


....hmmm one thing though just a bit off topic, I don't always agree with you about the 'bigger' characters like Marc needing to stay in the house because I think that quite often..(not just because they monopolise airtime..)...those characters can be stifling to other housemates and them leaving can bring out so much in others that make a more balanced house and allow us to see more aspects to housemate's personalities in general...