Helen : That Fecking Fat Boring Moaner

[arista]

At the end of Emma's show
she hates Jack


Yes you lot Put him Up for Eviction



Love You Helen


Get Jack Out
he should have taken the 27K BMW Great Car

[Ammi]

..yeah because it's ok and perfectly fine to be nasty, spiteful and offensive to/about someone if you think them 'fat and boring' or if others do either...

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Hope they decide to put him & hopefully we will see the back of him.

[arista]

..yeah because it's ok and perfectly fine to be nasty, spiteful and offensive to/about someone if you think them 'fat and boring' or if others do either...


OK Miss "PC"


Ignore the "Fat"

Jack is BORING
fecking Fact

[arista]

Hope they decide to put him & hopefully we will see the back of him.


Yes Get Jack Out

[chuff me dizzy]

At the end of Emma's show
she hates Jack


Yes you lot Put him Up for Eviction



Love You Helen


Get Jack Out
he should have taken the 27K BMW Great Car

THIS is why I love Helen !!

[chuff me dizzy]

OK Miss "PC"


Ignore the "Fat"

Jack is BORING
fecking Fact

:joker:

[arista]

THIS is why I love Helen !!


Yes Chuff
Helen is a Top Lady
you can not trick her


I would Kiss her hand

[Ammi]

OK Miss "PC"


Ignore the "Fat"

Jack is BORING
fecking Fact

..it's not about PC or about the fat or the boring or the moaner...it's about the derogatory/insulting way that Helen speaks to and about people who for whatever reason, she personally doesn't like...but oh that's ok Helen because they're not popular with the public but if she had disliked Marc or a more popular housemate though then derogative terms I think would have been much less 'acceptable'....

[chuff me dizzy]

..it's not about PC or about the fat or the boring or the moaner...it's about the derogatory/insulting way that Helen speaks to and about people who for whatever reason, she personally doesn't like...but oh that's ok Helen because they're not popular with the public but if she had disliked Marc or a more popular housemate though then derogative terms I think would have been much less 'acceptable'....

Its called HONESTY a lot of people don't like it, but I prefer it to ass licking

[Ammi]

Its called HONESTY a lot of people don't like it, but I prefer it to ass licking

..it's not called honesty, it's called being arrogant and thinking that she has the right to offend and insult whoever she pleases because if she was 'honest' then right from the off, we would have seen the Helen that was meant to be wanting to 'change public opinion of her' because she felt that she had never been given a voice....now she's been given a voice and that voice has been nothing but rude, offensive and obnoxious...

[arista]

..it's not about PC or about the fat or the boring or the moaner...it's about the derogatory/insulting way that Helen speaks to and about people who for whatever reason, she personally doesn't like...but oh that's ok Helen because they're not popular with the public but if she had disliked Marc or a more popular housemate though then derogative terms I think would have been much less 'acceptable'....


Yes but thats what Helen is
a Top Hooker who sold her Football
secrets for Cash Deal with a Sunday paper


Thats like putting your hands on the table
being dead honest, after the fact.


Like does her bum look big in that
"YES"

[Pete.]

If Helen gets Jack out <333

[arista]

Ammi
Big Brother is Not a Church

[Ammi]

Yes but thats what Helen is
a Top Hooker who sold her Football
secrets for Cash Deal with a Sunday paper


Thats like putting your hands on the table
being dead honest, after the fact.
Like does her bum look big in that
"YES"

..or putting your hands on the money on the table/being offered and deciding which 'dead honesty' will keep the cash flowing longer..../controversy and 'mean' sells and earns....

[arista]

..or putting your hands on the money on the table/being offered and deciding which 'dead honesty' will keep the cash flowing longer..../controversy and 'mean' sells and earns....



Of Course
but she is not hiding that

Thats why so many Respect her

[Cherie]

If Helen gets Jack out <333

I really don't mind Jack at least he says something, get Danny out would be more like it

[arista]

I really don't mind Jack at least he says something, get Danny out would be more like it


Danny says alot more but Editors
is staying of off him

[Ammi]

Ammi
Big Brother is Not a Church

..I'm not doing your baiting dance this morning Arista because I don't worship at the alter of mean spirited, nasty people...she won BB, she had support with that/'felt the love' etc plus has earned so much as well ..so has been given so much to have made her a 'better person' but she's still the same nasty spiteful person that loves to hurt others and what's worse for me really is that she possibly doesn't even mean it but hurts and offends for entertainment and to keep 'popularity'....(although I suspect that she does mean it and that nasty is nasty whatever the life led or the opportunities etc..)....

[chuff me dizzy]

Ammi
Big Brother is Not a Church

:joker: Nor should it ever be

[chuff me dizzy]

..it's not called honesty, it's called being arrogant and thinking that she has the right to offend and insult whoever she pleases because if she was 'honest' then right from the off, we would have seen the Helen that was meant to be wanting to 'change public opinion of her' because she felt that she had never been given a voice....now she's been given a voice and that voice has been nothing but rude, offensive and obnoxious...

In YOUR opinion,but in MINE its called being honest

[Ammi]

Of Course
but she is not hiding that

Thats why so many Respecr her

..oh I thought she was being 'real' but she's not hiding that it's for the money and her own gain, hmmmmmm....

[arista]

..I'm not doing your baiting dance this morning Arista because I don't worship at the alter of mean spirited, nasty people...she won BB, she had support with that/'felt the love' etc plus has earned so much as well ..so has been given so much to have made her a 'better person' but she's still the same nasty spiteful person that loves to hurt others and what's worse for me really is that she possibly doesn't even mean it but hurts and offends for entertainment and to keep 'popularity'....(although I suspect that she does mean it and that nasty is nasty whatever the life led or the opportunities etc..)....



No B . Dance from me

Helen is staying the same
its her Style
Thats what Life "can" be Like

And Big Brother is about Bitchin'
and Fun and Crying

[Ammi]

In YOUR opinion,but in MINE its called being honest

...it's not my opinion of Helen's own words and reasons said for going into the house/to try to change a negative public opinion of her by being offensive and insulting ...it is my opinion of when her 'honesty' suits her agenda and when it doesn't though...

[Ammi]

No B . Dance from me

Helen is staying the same
its her Style
Thats what Life "can" be Like

And Big Brother is about Bitchin'
and Fun and Crying

..I know what 'life' can be like Arista and thankfully very few 'Helens' who don't know and have no consideration for boundaries or for others...and in BB without the boring and the moany as well then there would be no bitchin', fun or crying..there would only be aggressions/ejections and the closing of a reality show....you can't have one without the other..that's 'life'...

[Lostie!]

OK Miss "PC"


Ignore the "Fat"

Jack is BORING
fecking Fact

Funnily, "that ****ing boring moaner" fits Helen rather well. Not that I expect her to have a shred of self awareness.

..yeah because it's ok and perfectly fine to be nasty, spiteful and offensive to/about someone if you think them 'fat and boring' or if others do either...

:clap1:

I'm not even a fan of Jack, but Helen's just a horrid, toxic piece of work.

Its called HONESTY a lot of people don't like it, but I prefer it to ass licking

That is honestly suck a weak and tired defence. I'd have a lot more respect (though admittedly not much) for people if they admitted they were being horrible, rather than hiding behind the "it's just honest" excuse.

[chuff me dizzy]

Funnily, "that ****ing boring moaner" fits Helen rather well. Not that I expect her to have a shred of self awareness.



:clap1:

I'm not even a fan of Jack, but Helen's just a horrid, toxic piece of work.



That is honestly suck a weak and tired defence. I'd have a lot more respect (though admittedly not much) for people if they admitted they were being horrible, rather than hiding behind the "it's just honest" excuse.

This is what PC Britain has turned people into ,Honesty is a great thing and should be applauded

[chuff me dizzy]

...it's not my opinion of Helen's own words and reasons said for going into the house/to try to change a negative public opinion of her by being offensive and insulting ...it is my opinion of when her 'honesty' suits her agenda and when it doesn't though...

Enough of the public love her and her honesty to vote her last years winner

[Lostie!]

This is what PC Britain has turned people into ,Honesty is a great thing and should be applauded

Then at least be consistent. Are those who dislike Helen's comments and speak out not just being "honest"? Should we not be applauded instead of mockingly labelled "PC"? :think:

And no, there's a difference between honest and nasty. Helen's just one of those people who can't string a sentence together without being horrid.

[arista]

Then at least be consistent. Are those who dislike Helen's comments and speak out not just being "honest"? Should we not be applauded instead of mockingly labelled "PC"? :think:

And no, there's a difference between honest and nasty. Helen's just one of those people who can't string a sentence together without being horrid.


OK she is Honest-Nasty


I love Helen

[chuff me dizzy]

Then at least be consistent. Are those who dislike Helen's comments and speak out not just being "honest"? Should we not be applauded instead of mockingly labelled "PC"? :think:

And no, there's a difference between honest and nasty. Helen's just one of those people who can't string a sentence together without being horrid.

The majority of the voters disagree with you ,thats why she won last years show ,I hate PC with a passion and will fight against it with my last breath

[arista]

..I know what 'life' can be like Arista and thankfully very few 'Helens' who don't know and have no consideration for boundaries or for others...and in BB without the boring and the moany as well then there would be no bitchin', fun or crying..there would only be aggressions/ejections and the closing of a reality show....you can't have one without the other..that's 'life'...



Of Course
thats why she is Special

[y.winter]

She's vile and disgusting.
I'm not team Jack, but I think people here have a Sam-post-trauma and they letting it all out on Jack.
Jack being boring/moaner/obvious-lovable is not enough an excuse for Helen's rude behaviour (or admiring it). To much of loosing proportion.

[Natalie.]

Yeah she didn't have to go about calling him at etc but that is Helen, she is awful

[arista]

She's vile and disgusting.
I'm not team Jack, but I think people here have a Sam-post-trauma and they letting it all out on Jack.
Jack being boring/moaner/obvious-lovable is not enough an excuse for Helen's rude behaviour (or admiring it). To much of loosing proportion.


yes Spunky

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Lol people think Jack is going next week. Harry is going

[arista]

Yeah she didn't have to go about calling him at etc but that is Helen, she is awful


But at last someone said the Truth
even if it was Nasty

[arista]

Lol people think Jack is going next week. Harry is going


Sure
But there is nothing wrong in Wanting Jack Out

[Lostie!]

The majority of the voters disagree with you ,thats why she won last years show ,I hate PC with a passion and will fight against it with my last breath

Just gonna bypass my point about the inconsistent "honest" thing, then? No worries. :thumbs:

And you hate PC, great. I hate bullying, and will continue to share my opinion on how much of a terrible person Helen is while she's in there being poisonous. :)

As for "The majority of the voters disagree with you ,thats why she won last years show" ... your point? A true mark of a weak argument is "Um ... well ... people agree with me look!!!", your point just became less about defending your own argument about Helen and falling back on the fact that she won, a fact that is an utter irrelevance to my post you're responding to. :)

But if you want to discuss audience opinion: sure, enough people clearly supported her to make her win, but even more dislike her (which was evident by the reaction to her win, and I don't just mean in the crowd). She's loved by some and hated by some, let's not pretend she's adored because she never was. :laugh:

[smudgie]

..it's not called honesty, it's called being arrogant and thinking that she has the right to offend and insult whoever she pleases because if she was 'honest' then right from the off, we would have seen the Helen that was meant to be wanting to 'change public opinion of her' because she felt that she had never been given a voice....now she's been given a voice and that voice has been nothing but rude, offensive and obnoxious...

:clap2:
Well said Ammi.
I wanted Helen to win last year, but I am afraid I found her far too obnoxious and up her own backside last night.
I would like to see Jack up and out, but absolutely no need for the way she went on last night.

[joeysteele]

..I'm not doing your baiting dance this morning Arista because I don't worship at the alter of mean spirited, nasty people...she won BB, she had support with that/'felt the love' etc plus has earned so much as well ..so has been given so much to have made her a 'better person' but she's still the same nasty spiteful person that loves to hurt others and what's worse for me really is that she possibly doesn't even mean it but hurts and offends for entertainment and to keep 'popularity'....(although I suspect that she does mean it and that nasty is nasty whatever the life led or the opportunities etc..)....

I agree with you, just as I hated the fact people got at Eileen for her age,I also hate equally negative references to Jack only because of his weight.

He doesn't look 'fat' to me anyway, he moans a lot as have others in there,I see no reason at all to bring his weight up at all.

I also agree with you above as to Helen and the support she got to win BB,I was one of those who did help her win with my votes for her and it would have been nice to see some humility from her while she was commenting on these housemates,(knowing the difficulties she had in the house when she was in),housemates too whereby none of them have done a thing to her or even said anything to her yet.

We have just had that horrible individual in the CBB series,namely Katie Hopkins, we certainly don't need another like her that judges people on appearance again and who will work against someone for their appearance too.

[y.winter]

yes Spunky

http://31.media.tumblr.com/5f8035138c41364351ce5ade77fe0c82/tumblr_mqylfwcqrX1qf5do9o1_400.gif

Praising too hard a housemate that in real life won't even look your way. Probably slag you off too. She'll find something to say.
There's admiring truth and honest, and than there's admiring Helen. Two different things.

[Ammi]

Enough of the public love her and her honesty to vote her last years winner

...indeed, she realises that 'honesty' pays and of course knowing who the public 'most liked' and 'disliked' are helps 'honesty' as well..


Of Course
thats why she is Special


...a 'special' person who is very intolerant to other's 'truths' of her if it's something that she doesn't want to hear/something negative...

But at last someone said the Truth
even if it was Nasty

..there are many 'truths', Helen's truth is just her own opinion of people..no more/no less not the 'truth' at all and her arrogance at feeling that she can project her 'truth' in any way that she feels she wants to no matter how that offends...

[Kazanne]

Really now,lol, we ALL have that Helen side to us,Can any of us honestly say that we have gone through life never being nasty or offending anyone? If that is so,kudos to you although I don't believe it,Helen is loud and brash and lets be honest here,Jack is overweight,anyone can see that,some people will say that about him,others will just 'think' it,so those thoughts are there,I have seen loads of comments on here about the housemates looks etc,I've even said Harry is grubby etc myself,we say it on a forum,they say it on TV,what Helen said about Jack,is exactly what some have been saying on here.

[bots]

and people said Helen wasn't a legend. Enough said :smug:

[samanthacurtis]

She can hardly talk. She is a plastic rag doll

[Ammi]

Really now,lol, we ALL have that Helen side to us,Can any of us honestly say that we have gone through life never being nasty or offending anyone? If that is so,kudos to you although I don't believe it,Helen is loud and brash and lets be honest here,Jack is overweight,anyone can see that,some people will say that about him,others will just 'think' it,so those thoughts are there,I have seen loads of comments on here about the housemates looks etc,I've even said Harry is grubby etc myself,we say it on a forum,they say it on TV,what Helen said about Jack,is exactly what some have been saying on here.

..not purposefully no Kaz and I think that many people haven't...whatever their opinions on someone, they realise that's only their perspective and don't feel the need to project their negativity on that person because they could be wrong in their views anyway and that's quite often the case as well...but others will always disagree with their negative opinion anyway because that's their different perspective of that person...also the reason that Helen is one of the people who was chosen to go back is because she's not representative of 'every day people' but is quite extreme in a negative way in that she does project her own her opinions/which is all they are and not 'truth' at all onto others with glee and without thought...and yes Jack is overweight I agree but insulting him/being derogatory about him will only ever lower his self esteem even further and increase any health issues it may cause him....the 'Helens' will only ever make others feel worse about themselves so is never a good thing....

[arista]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/5f8035138c41364351ce5ade77fe0c82/tumblr_mqylfwcqrX1qf5do9o1_400.gif

Praising too hard a housemate that in real life won't even look your way. Probably slag you off too. She'll find something to say.
There's admiring truth and honest, and than there's admiring Helen. Two different things.


But You can love her Spunk


She is more Nasty than Marc

[y.winter]

But You can love her Spunk


She is more Nasty than Marc

It's nastiness 24/7, disgraceful personality, self-righteousness all over the place. Doing it on TV with the excuse of "it's good for tv" sometimes is not enough. Not all sort of nastiness should be praised and encouraged in the name of good tv.
I'm not up for crowning people for bad behaviour, let's not forget about real life morals.

[arista]

It's nastiness 24/7, disgraceful personality, self-righteousness all over the place. Doing it on TV with the excuse of "it's good for tv" sometimes is not enough. Not all sort of nastiness should be praised and encouraged in the name of good tv.
I'm not up for crowning people for bad behaviour, let's not forget about real life morals.


Yes its Nice to

Lay It On The Line


Big Brother has all types

[chuff me dizzy]

Lol people think Jack is going next week. Harry is going

Either of them and Im happy

[chuff me dizzy]

Really now,lol, we ALL have that Helen side to us,Can any of us honestly say that we have gone through life never being nasty or offending anyone? If that is so,kudos to you although I don't believe it,Helen is loud and brash and lets be honest here,Jack is overweight,anyone can see that,some people will say that about him,others will just 'think' it,so those thoughts are there,I have seen loads of comments on here about the housemates looks etc,I've even said Harry is grubby etc myself,we say it on a forum,they say it on TV,what Helen said about Jack,is exactly what some have been saying on here.

Without we are making out we are Mother Theresa, we ALL have at one time or another made some cutting remark or thought one about someone,its human nature and anyone who claims they never have are liars and fakes

[Ammi]

..also the 'cheek implant' thread just made me think as well, Helen always said that she wanted to have urr boobs done again so obviously wasn't totally happy with her body and has also had other surgeries as well so I presume things that she wasn't happy with so saying that Jack is a moaner etc is fine or whatever else she thinks of his character... but the 'fat' and attacking someone else's physical appearance in her insults just shows her to be the ironic hypocrite that she is and not 'truthful at all' just someone who wants to find any 'weakness' in others to insult and offend because she finds them boring or doesn't like them...in any dictionary that is no definition of 'truth or honesty' but just a mean spirited, bitter, spiteful and hateful person....

[Kizzy]

..not purposefully no Kaz and I think that many people haven't...whatever their opinions on someone, they realise that's only their perspective and don't feel the need to project their negativity on that person because they could be wrong in their views anyway and that's quite often the case as well...but others will always disagree with their negative opinion anyway because that's their different perspective of that person...also the reason that Helen is one of the people who was chosen to go back is because she's not representative of 'every day people' but is quite extreme in a negative way in that she does project her own her opinions/which is all they are and not 'truth' at all onto others with glee and without thought...and yes Jack is overweight I agree but insulting him/being derogatory about him will only ever lower his self esteem even further and increase any health issues it may cause him....the 'Helens' will only ever make others feel worse about themselves so is never a good thing....

I've seen time and time again on this forum hideous defamation of a housemate for their looks or their occupation does that not come under the umbrella for consideration as a confidence/esteem affecting slight?
the nasty comments aimed towards older hms or those who have had surgery these too may have issues and yet there are countless threads and derogatory comments made about them.
The reason that comments about Jack are seized upon is becouse he is an 'everyday person' someone who is considered 'normal' lovely grumbly chubby jack is just like lots of teens we know.... should that exempt him from criticism should we all redirect our ire to the damaged goods like harry maybe?
Helen can and does say what she likes, as does joel if you've noticed with his little monologues on immorality, they are no less cutting only the delivery is different. When people say hurtful things if you sugar the pill it's still poison, I know this.

[chuff me dizzy]

I've seen time and time again on this forum hideous defamation of a housemate for their looks or their occupation does that not come under the umbrella for consideration as a confidence/esteem affecting slight?
the nasty comments aimed towards older hms or those who have had surgery these too may have issues and yet there are countless threads and derogatory comments made about them.
The reason that comments about Jack are seized upon is becouse he is an 'everyday person' someone who is considered 'normal' lovely grumbly chubby jack is just like lots of teens we know.... should that exempt him from criticism should we all redirect our ire to the damaged goods like harry maybe?
Helen can and does say what she likes, as does joel if you've noticed with his little monologues on immorality, they are no less cutting only the delivery is different. When people say hurtful things if you sugar the pill it's still poison, I know this.

:clap1:

[Kazanne]

I've seen time and time again on this forum hideous defamation of a housemate for their looks or their occupation does that not come under the umbrella for consideration as a confidence/esteem affecting slight?
the nasty comments aimed towards older hms or those who have had surgery these too may have issues and yet there are countless threads and derogatory comments made about them.
The reason that comments about Jack are seized upon is becouse he is an 'everyday person' someone who is considered 'normal' lovely grumbly chubby jack is just like lots of teens we know.... should that exempt him from criticism should we all redirect our ire to the damaged goods like harry maybe?
Helen can and does say what she likes, as does joel if you've noticed with his little monologues on immorality, they are no less cutting only the delivery is different. When people say hurtful things if you sugar the pill it's still poison, I know this.

:worship::worship::clap1:

[Ammi]

..’immorality’ is a judgement on someone’s character which is what housemates do as do the public/viewers which is based on their own personal judgement of what they personally think is ‘immoral’ and also not the ‘truth’....it’s not a judgement of physical appearance from someone who has been unhappy enough to have had surgery to make changes to their own physical appearance or in total disregard to anyone’s feelings...and Jack is not ‘exempt’ from anything obviously as his physical size has been referred to many times but that doesn’t make it any less unnecessary to do so or to applaud anyone who does so by excusing it as being ‘honesty’ ...Helen aims to hurt and offend, Helen aims to ‘entertain’, Helen aims to deliver what is expected of her, nothing even remotely resembling ‘truth’ or ‘honesty’....and if that 'fat' housemate was a public favourite that 'honestly' would not be applauded as such a positive trait at all...but of course she knows exactly where public popularity lays and what to 'pick at'.....

[joeysteele]

Really now,lol, we ALL have that Helen side to us,Can any of us honestly say that we have gone through life never being nasty or offending anyone? If that is so,kudos to you although I don't believe it,Helen is loud and brash and lets be honest here,Jack is overweight,anyone can see that,some people will say that about him,others will just 'think' it,so those thoughts are there,I have seen loads of comments on here about the housemates looks etc,I've even said Harry is grubby etc myself,we say it on a forum,they say it on TV,what Helen said about Jack,is exactly what some have been saying on here.

No, I can say I haven't. I may make unpleasant comments as to someone who makes unnecessary nasty comments about others in their defence or in a general comment about them..
However I do not and would not judge or deride anyone for just their appearance, how they talk or as to age.

Especially moreso as to those I do not know at all either.
Obviously if someone gets at me, I will retaliate but will still try to do so,to the best of my ability,as to relevant facts and not appearance, age or looks.

There is simply no need at all to deride people for how they look or their weight or their age.
There are people overweight in my own family and friends, I would not get at them for that or even comment on it and certainly never use weight as an issue to get at someone.

I judge people on how they act towards others and how they treat them too, not on looks,weight or anything else.

[fitz2k2]

first off Helen is not fat.jack is fat.she is moaning cause past shows before marc got in were getting boring as ****

[Kizzy]

..’immorality’ is a judgement on someone’s character which is what housemates do as do the public/viewers which is based on their own personal judgement of what they personally think is ‘immoral’ and also not the ‘truth’....it’s not a judgement of physical appearance from someone who has been unhappy enough to have had surgery to make changes to their own physical appearance or in total disregard to anyone’s feelings...and Jack is not ‘exempt’ from anything obviously as his physical size has been referred to many times but that doesn’t make it any less unnecessary to do so or to applaud anyone who does so by excusing it as being ‘honesty’ ...Helen aims to hurt and offend, Helen aims to ‘entertain’, Helen aims to deliver what is expected of her, nothing even remotely resembling ‘truth’ or ‘honesty’....and if that 'fat' housemate was a public favourite that 'honestly' would not be applauded as such a positive trait at all...but of course she knows exactly where public popularity lays and what to 'pick at'.....

Ah well if you're presuming that making comments based on morality are less offensive/hurtful than those based on looks then there's nothing to discuss.
Personally I don't.
Immorality is based on personal perception and there is no definitive 'truth' however no matter which way you look at him Jack is fat.

[Gusto Brunt]

Jack may be fat but you can't deny he's very good looking.

[VanessaFeltz.]

İ feel sorry for helen because she is fking dumb. She can only attack people on their apperance. "Fat bitch" to jale "skinny little prick" to matthew and "fat c" to jack

[Gstar]

There were no lies in what Helen called him

[Ammi]

Ah well if you're presuming that making comments based on morality are less offensive/hurtful than those based on looks then there's nothing to discuss.
Personally I don't.
Immorality is based on personal perception and there is no definitive 'truth' however no matter which way you look at him Jack is fat.

..where applicable to something specific in the house, morality has been discussed in every BB and by virtually every housemate ever in there with few exceptions as it also has by the public as well and definitely on forums where it is thrashed until it pleads for mercy...and is no justification for intentional insults about anyone's physical appearance by anyone such as Helen made...but I'm not going to run around with you in circles with this to appease your own agenda as you yourself I believe have expressed how nasty/spiteful you think Helen is... something that I do agree with...

[Kizzy]

..where applicable to something specific in the house, morality has been discussed in every BB and by virtually every housemate ever in there with few exceptions as it also has by the public as well and definitely on forums where it is thrashed until it pleads for mercy...and is no justification for intentional insults about anyone's physical appearance by anyone such as Helen made...but I'm not going to run around with you in circles with this to appease your own agenda as you yourself I believe have expressed how nasty/spiteful you think Helen is... something that I do agree with...

So what? doesn't make it right because you attempt to justify it.
Insults whether against someone personally, socially or spiritually have been up for discussion yes, that's a good point ammi they have all insulted each other I wouldn't say one more than the other just some more overt in varying degrees.
I'm not running in a circle I just won't distinguish one form of insult from another, if one is wrong they all are.

[Kazanne]

İ feel sorry for helen because she is fking dumb. She can only attack people on their apperance. "Fat bitch" to jale "skinny little prick" to matthew and "fat c" to jack

it's only the same as a lot of us do on here.

[Kazanne]

Whether we like it or not firstly we are judged on appearances,that is the way it is and like him or loathe him Jack IS overweight, plenty of people are calling Helen out on her looks and having a good old giggle . swings and roundabouts

[Lostie!]

it's only the same as a lot of us do on here.

And anyone who does it on here deserves to be challenged about it too.

[Kizzy]

And anyone who does it on here deserves to be challenged about it too.

But they won't be because there's the immorality factor to consider, you can be old/fat/ugly but if you're old/immoral, fat/immoral or ugly/immoral then you're fair game for abuse.

[arista]

And anyone who does it on here deserves to be challenged about it too.


For Sure
Thats why TIBB
is one of the best

[Kazanne]

And anyone who does it on here deserves to be challenged about it too.

Why ? we are all strangers and will have different opinions ,no one has the moral high ground.and lets be honest none of us are going to change our opinions that much on someone we already like.

[Lostie!]

Why ? we are all strangers and will have different opinions ,no one has the moral high ground.and lets be honest none of us are going to change our opinions that much on someone we already like.

Because mindlessly insulting people over their looks adds nothing but nastiness.

And to be honest, if someone has a valid opinion and is capable of articulating that, they won't need to resort to appearance-related pettiness.

[Beetlejuice]

I've seen time and time again on this forum hideous defamation of a housemate for their looks or their occupation does that not come under the umbrella for consideration as a confidence/esteem affecting slight?

Come off it. It's one thing to do that on an internet forum, but to actually be in a person's face like Helen was last year trying to destroy people is a whole different matter. And it's silly to pretend otherwise.


Helen can and does say what she likes, as does joel if you've noticed with his little monologues on immorality, they are no less cutting only the delivery is different.

Are you serious? You must have trouble telling a green light from a red.


When people say hurtful things if you sugar the pill it's still poison, I know this.

So Joel is as bad as Helen, but because she doesn't sugar the pill, in some ways he's much worse.

In other words... The more obnoxious, nasty and odious you are, the better the person you are, because those of us who don't act like that are either fake, boring or sugaring the pill. Tragic.

[arista]

"like Helen was last year trying to destroy people"

Yes BJ

It was Amazing and Spunky

[Kazanne]

Because mindlessly insulting people over their looks adds nothing but nastiness.

And to be honest, if someone has a valid opinion and is capable of articulating that, they won't need to resort to appearance-related pettiness.

Well I do try to do that,it doesn't always work,but I try,:laugh:

[Kazanne]

[QUOTE=Beetlejuice;7875367]Come off it. It's one thing to do that on an internet forum, but to actually be in a person's face like Helen was last year trying to destroy people is a whole different matter. And it's silly to pretend otherwise.


So, what if that said person saw it on a forum ? is that less hurtful? and if your friend asks you if she/looks good in something that you find hideous,you'de just lie and let them go out looking like crap as you don't want to tell them the truth and offend them.helen last year was gobby and opinionated but there is no way she was out to destroy people.

[Ammi]

...let's not kid ourselves that Helen isn't a spiteful person, she doesn't even deny that herself but rather 'boasts' her 'b*tch' and will say whatever she wants to, to either people she doesn't care for or who don't care for her spite/whatever she wants to and feels like to insult them both to their faces and to others about them especially if she feels she has the ear of a like minded person ...it's just really whether anyone finds her 'b*tch' entertaining in any way/in the house because it's definitely not 'honesty', just her spewing her own spite over someone or whether they don't....Jack is a 'fecking boring moaner', no more needed to be said but as she did say more and added physical looks to that insult then so shall she be judged by viewers and fans..even if she had said over-weight in this instance thyen it wouldn't have been any better imo because it was something unnecessary that was added to a perfectly well explained insult already.../context also is important....'fat' was part of an insult ....

[Kizzy]

I won't come off it, I can say that personally physical insults are as bad as any perceived morality defect. Whether in the house or on here it's wrong, I don't believe in a sliding scale of wrongness...it is or it isn't.

I have no problem discerning green from red.

'So Joel is as bad as Helen, but because she doesn't sugar the pill, in some ways he's much worse.'
No, not much worse ...equally as bad.

[Beetlejuice]

So, what if that said person saw it on a forum ? is that less hurtful?

It would be less intimidating for starters. And most people who do post such remarks on a forum don't consider the possibility of the person actually reading them. If they did they'd probably be apologetic like Nick said he was at the start of the show.

Helen is totally unapologetic for everything. That's another major difference.


and if your friend asks you if she/looks good in something that you find hideous,you'de just lie and let them go out looking like crap as you don't want to tell them the truth and offend them.

I'd just give her my honest opinion in a polite manner.


helen last year was gobby and opinionated but there is no way she was out to destroy people.

If I were you I'd go back and watch the rant she had at Matthew.

[Beetlejuice]

I won't come off it, I can say that personally physical insults are as bad as any perceived morality defect.

Helen is the one who goes after physical features. Joel is commenting on morality. As we all must to maintain an ordered society. Hence the reason for laws which are to some extent based on that morality.

Whether in the house or on here it's wrong, I don't believe in a sliding scale of wrongness...it is or it isn't.

Then you have a serious inability to make distinctions. What Helen does is not merely insulting, it is intimidating and threatening.



'So Joel is as bad as Helen, but because she doesn't sugar the pill, in some ways he's much worse.'
No, not much worse ...equally as bad.

Joel saying being polyamorous is morally wrong is as bad as Helen going after a person's insecurities and trying to make that person feel small whilst jabbing a finger in that person's face in an aggressive manner. Okay. What has happened to morals in this country? Oh, sorry, I'm now as bad as Helen!

[joeysteele]

Why ? we are all strangers and will have different opinions ,no one has the moral high ground.and lets be honest none of us are going to change our opinions that much on someone we already like.

Yes but surely someones weight and looks are not reasons to hate them.We would all possibly hate half the people we know if looks and weight should be relevant to whether someone was likable or not.

[Jack_]

Helen is an amazing housemate but a nasty ****, and anyone that thinks she's this perfect wonderful woman is deluding themselves.

I laughed at the comment but if she goes and says that to his face I won't be supporting it. There is a line with drama and confrontation and unnecessary out of the blue personal attacks on someone's appearance are completely out of order. If she goes in there and shouts at him about how he's a ****ing bore (which he isn't btw but that's separate point) and he's a **** and should **** off home, I'll be laughing and applauding, but the minute she starts bringing appearance into it towards someone who isn't likely to retaliate is the minute she takes it too far.

There just isn't any excuses for it. On here, in real life, wherever. Once you attack someone's appearance you just prove yourself to be an insecure, abhorrent waste of oxygen. 'Honesty' is not an excuse for belittling people for something that is completely out of their control.

Don't worry,

no matter what, if you criticise a bigot you will always be called 'pc'. It's their only defence.

lol this is so true

Whether we like it or not firstly we are judged on appearances

only by shallow pieces of ****

[joeysteele]

If someone sleeps around I will judge them on that and not pleasantly, if someone isn't good looking or is overweight I will not make judgements as to them on those factors at all.
The 2 things are entirely different as to how a person is and acts.

[ItWasJustBanter]

..it's not called honesty, it's called being arrogant and thinking that she has the right to offend and insult whoever she pleases because if she was 'honest' then right from the off, we would have seen the Helen that was meant to be wanting to 'change public opinion of her' because she felt that she had never been given a voice....now she's been given a voice and that voice has been nothing but rude, offensive and obnoxious...

Do you see the irony in calling her arrogant, rude, offensive and obnoxious for expressing her opinion on someone's traits?


You do see the irony, right?

[Beetlejuice]

Do you see the irony in calling her arrogant, rude, offensive and obnoxious for expressing her opinion on someone's traits?

She's not merely expressing an opinion on someone else's traits though. She has to attack the looks of a person as well.

[VanessaFeltz.]

İ have made horrible comments as well, we are humans sometimes we cross the line but helen doesnt even know him personally and made that comment the moment she entered that was so rude

[arista]

Yes she is Rude
I love Her

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/13/10/2993DBC300000578-0-image-a-13_1434189552757.jpg

[chuff me dizzy]

So what? doesn't make it right because you attempt to justify it.
Insults whether against someone personally, socially or spiritually have been up for discussion yes, that's a good point ammi they have all insulted each other I wouldn't say one more than the other just some more overt in varying degrees.
I'm not running in a circle I just won't distinguish one form of insult from another, if one is wrong they all are.

:clap1:

[arista]

...let's not kid ourselves that Helen isn't a spiteful person, she doesn't even deny that herself but rather 'boasts' her 'b*tch' and will say whatever she wants to, to either people she doesn't care for or who don't care for her spite/whatever she wants to and feels like to insult them both to their faces and to others about them especially if she feels she has the ear of a like minded person ...it's just really whether anyone finds her 'b*tch' entertaining in any way/in the house because it's definitely not 'honesty', just her spewing her own spite over someone or whether they don't....Jack is a 'fecking boring moaner', no more needed to be said but as she did say more and added physical looks to that insult then so shall she be judged by viewers and fans..even if she had said over-weight in this instance thyen it wouldn't have been any better imo because it was something unnecessary that was added to a perfectly well explained insult already.../context also is important....'fat' was part of an insult ....


Yes Ammi
its a Change from being "PC"


Utter Bliss

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes she is Rude
I love Her

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/13/10/2993DBC300000578-0-image-a-13_1434189552757.jpg

Stunning outfit !!

[chuff me dizzy]

Do you see the irony in calling her arrogant, rude, offensive and obnoxious for expressing her opinion on someone's traits?


You do see the irony, right?

:worship:

[Strictly Jake]

I'm pleased that they don't like Jack. We all want him out. But I see Helen has not changed her ways, her comments instantly reminded me of the disgusting way she treat Jale!

[Vanessa]

Can't stand Jack either. All he does is moan and sleep. He's so lazy.

[arista]

Can't stand Jack either. All he does is moan and sleep. He's so lazy.



You Are Most Wise

[reece(:]

Can't stand Jack either. All he does is moan and sleep. He's so lazy.
He's absolutely useless and too negative for my liking.

[Kizzy]

Helen is the one who goes after physical features. Joel is commenting on morality. As we all must to maintain an ordered society. Hence the reason for laws which are to some extent based on that morality.



Then you have a serious inability to make distinctions. What Helen does is not merely insulting, it is intimidating and threatening.





Joel saying being polyamorous is morally wrong is as bad as Helen going after a person's insecurities and trying to make that person feel small whilst jabbing a finger in that person's face in an aggressive manner. Okay. What has happened to morals in this country? Oh, sorry, I'm now as bad as Helen!

Laughable that you're attempting to justify the rude comments made towards some hms as being necessary for the fabric of society yet the comments made towards Jack are abhorrent... double standards :/

How is what helen has said any worse than what Jack said about himself prior to entering the house? His USP is that he is a fat annoying person, have a look at his VT... 'Hello my name is pie face, I like pie'.

If all the sanctimonious bores would understand that it's as abusive and offensive to insult a persons core values as it is their physical appearance the world would be a happier place.

[Visage]

Obviously if someone gets at me, I will retaliate but will still try to do so,to the best of my ability,as to relevant facts and not appearance, age or looks.




Yes, absolutely. There is a way to interact/debate or basically argue with another individual without any mention of their appearance.

I find people who back their own arguments up by directing personal insults towards those they disagree with, do so because they can't argue the point in question.


I accept this can go on in school but find it very disappointing when it continues into adulthood.






I judge people on how they act towards others and how they treat them too, not on looks,weight or anything else.

I'd like to think there are more people out there that think like you do :)

[Razor]

I can't stand the cow.

[fitz2k2]

can you imagine if Helen became official housemate.nick would of jumped from jade to harry to Helen.helen be like **** off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BORINGGGGGGGGGGGG.cant wait if that actually happens probably not