Helen - Now and then

[Niamh.]

What are your feelings on Helen now and what were they during her own series?

[Vicky.]

Pretty much the same, never thought much of her, but she did deserve to win IMO. My main dislike for her came from the fact that she was instantly in the final, I did not like that one bit and found it massively unfair, but that wasn't her fault.

She seems more tolerable when I think we only have a week of her though :laugh:

[andybigbro]

Hated her then and hate her now.

I'm going to find this week hard to watch. She just angers me so much :laugh:

[MrWong]

Disliked her then and still do.

[Tarryn]

Helen would have gone in week three or four last year without her immunity pass.
NOT a worthy winner.
She is even worse now as she thinks she is something special as she won.
A truly horrible human being.

[rubymoo]

Hated her then and hate her now.

I'm going to find this week hard to watch. She just angers me so much :laugh:

Pretty much this^

This week is going to be the Helen show.

She lacks social skills and awareness. I really wish they hadn't brought her back:nono:

[LukeB]

Didn't like her then and i don't like her now

[JOFLO]

liked her then, like her now (sorry :wavey:)

[Lostie!]

Never liked her (apart from launch night before we saw how awful she is), never will like her.

[Tom4784]

She was a vicious bully then and nothing has changed now. One of the worst winners ever.

[smudgie]

Out of The final two last year, she was my winner.
Really do not like her attitude so far as a leg end.

[Calderyon]

Didn´t like her then, won´t like her ever.

[Ellen]

I dont mind her, she speaks her mind as she see's it. Sometimes she is right in what she says & sometimes she is not.

[JoshBB]

Used to like her, now hate her.

[Ammi]

...I didn't like her especially toward the end of the last series because of how spiteful she was but was fine with her winning because I genuinely thought that she may have 'gone on a journey' and look back at vids and her behaviour etc and how she speaks to people and judges them but she doesn't seem to have so I guess there is no 'excusing' this time for me and she's just a mean spirited person who has no reason to be/she has a child/earns good money etc and has every reason to not feel bitter but still does and is....although she bothers me less now because she will only be there for a short while and isn't a housemate...

[Ammi]

I dont mind her, she speaks her mind as she see's it. Sometimes she is right in what she says & sometimes she is not.

..yeah I would agree Ellen that I think she's sometimes and can be right about some things but even when she is..?...too often and mostly the way she says those things and her behaviour in a situation also make her wrong...

[Niamh.]

..yeah I would agree Ellen that I think she's sometimes and can be right about some things but even when she is..?...too often and mostly the way she says those things and her behaviour in a situation also make her wrong...

Indeed Ammi :love:

[Kizzy]

I think that far too much emphasis is placed on what she says... it's crazy.
So what if she doesn't like someone, the rest of the house have free will to make up their own minds don't they?
It's not her fault if people agree with her they must feel the same, however she says it makes no odds to me. Personally I prefer plain speaking types to snidey wheedling manipulation it's no different in my eyes and has the same effect ultimately.

[Ellen]

..yeah I would agree Ellen that I think she's sometimes and can be right about some things but even when she is..?...too often and mostly the way she says those things and her behaviour in a situation also make her wrong...

Yeah i can see that, fair point. There is not much sugar coating with her thats for sure.

[Tom4784]

There's a difference between 'plain-speaking' and being a twat, Helen's the latter, not the former.

[Lostie!]

There's a difference between 'plain-speaking' and being a twat, Helen's the latter, not the former.

Pretty much. :clap1:

[Niamh.]

There's a difference between 'plain-speaking' and being a twat, Helen's the latter, not the former.

Exactly. Giving Jale the nickname "slugworth" is not plain speaking, it's being a nasty bully, same as calling Christopher a wasp and laughing at him in corners with a group of friends as he walks by etc etc

[Ammi]

Yeah i can see that, fair point. There is not much sugar coating with her thats for sure.

...yeah I don't even think it's about sugar coating so much tbh, but more being more socially aware of boundaries and what's acceptable and what isn't and she's really in a lot of ways like child who 'reacts' to something that maybe it would be understandable to react to but not the way in which they have, so have to have that explained to them as well as listening to their point...it's like a 'basic' thing that most people just know but that she just doesn't seem to or totally disregards because she wants to do and act how she wants to ...so her 'being right' or her point etc is lost in her behaviour and isn't that often the way with children...

..I guess the most 'childlike' thing she's done was last years..I'm always in the right, always in the right, always in the right..and on and on etc..'...speech...

[Ammi]

There's a difference between 'plain-speaking' and being a twat, Helen's the latter, not the former.

..:love:...so few words as well..:laugh:...

[Kizzy]

There's a difference between 'plain-speaking' and being a twat, Helen's the latter, not the former.

I mean 'plain speaking' as in her choice of language and/or delivery, yes some see it as common, uncouth, rude, loud yet essentially what she says is no better or worse in many cases than other housemates, it's seized upon because she's such a huge character.
Personally I feel Joel is a twat for his drip, drip of offensive remarks about other hms and his condescending tone in conversations... it's all relative.

[Tom4784]

I mean 'plain speaking' as in her choice of language and/or delivery, yes some see it as common, uncouth, rude, loud yet essentially what she says is no better or worse in many cases than other housemates, it's seized upon because she's such a huge character.
Personally I feel Joel is a twat for his drip, drip of offensive remarks about other hms and his condescending tone in conversations... it's all relative.

Well no, you can be plain speaking without being offensive. Chloe is very plain speaking but she doesn't feel the need to tell people to die or hurl abuse at people every five seconds. People aren't 'seizing' up on her because she's a huge character, they're doing it because she's a vicious bullying twat.

It's not relative, Helen is a disgusting human being and you mistake 'honesty' for being a twat. You can be honest, plain speaking, forward whatever without being a hateful bitch. Helen's just a twat, nothing more nothing less.

[Niamh.]

Well no, you can be plain speaking without being offensive. Chloe is very plain speaking but she doesn't feel the need to tell people to die or hurl abuse at people every five seconds. People aren't 'seizing' up on her because she's a huge character, they're doing it because she's a vicious bullying twat.

It's not relative, Helen is a disgusting human being and you mistake 'honesty' for being a twat. You can be honest, plain speaking, forward whatever without being a hateful bitch. Helen's just a twat, nothing more nothing less.

Beautifully put :')

[MrWong]

I mean 'plain speaking' as in her choice of language and/or delivery, yes some see it as common, uncouth, rude, loud yet essentially what she says is no better or worse in many cases than other housemates, it's seized upon because she's such a huge character.
Personally I feel Joel is a twat for his drip, drip of offensive remarks about other hms and his condescending tone in conversations... it's all relative.

It's seized upon because she's such a huge hypocrite.

[Kizzy]

...yeah I don't even think it's about sugar coating so much tbh, but more being more socially aware of boundaries and what's acceptable and what isn't and she's really in a lot of ways like child who 'reacts' to something that maybe it would be understandable to react to but not the way in which they have, so have to have that explained to them as well as listening to their point...it's like a 'basic' thing that most people just know but that she just doesn't seem to or totally disregards because she wants to do and act how she wants to ...so her 'being right' or her point etc is lost in her behaviour and isn't that often the way with children...

..I guess the most 'childlike' thing she's done was last years..I'm always in the right, always in the right, always in the right..and on and on etc..'...speech...

And Nikki... what of her 'childlike' outbursts are they vilified in equal measure would you say?
I wouldn't say they are, in fact they're seen as a positive and legendary way it's quite odd.

[Tom4784]

Nikki is harmless, Helen is not.

[Liam-]

Liked her then, still like her now.

[LukeB]

Nikki is harmless, Helen is not.

This

[Ammi]

Well no, you can be plain speaking without being offensive. Chloe is very plain speaking but she doesn't feel the need to tell people to die or hurl abuse at people every five seconds. People aren't 'seizing' up on her because she's a huge character, they're doing it because she's a vicious bullying twat.

It's not relative, Helen is a disgusting human being and you mistake 'honesty' for being a twat. You can be honest, plain speaking, forward whatever without being a hateful bitch. Helen's just a twat, nothing more nothing less.

..Dezzy..:love:..

[Kizzy]

Well no, you can be plain speaking without being offensive. Chloe is very plain speaking but she doesn't feel the need to tell people to die or hurl abuse at people every five seconds. People aren't 'seizing' up on her because she's a huge character, they're doing it because she's a vicious bullying twat.

It's not relative, Helen is a disgusting human being and you mistake 'honesty' for being a twat. You can be honest, plain speaking, forward whatever without being a hateful bitch. Helen's just a twat, nothing more nothing less.

Hmmm I'm not feeling Chloe as plain speaking really at the moment she's gone a bit mousy and is happiest blending in.
Yes words like twat, bitch and disgusting human being are fine but they don't mean anything they're just random insults, a bit like the helenisms you despise.

[Pete.]

A vile spiteful bitch, always has been, always will be

[Kizzy]

Nikki is harmless, Helen is not.

It's not just justification because nikki is popular then? She was quite offensive to trans Sam in her series and was warned for her outbursts remember? she can be as rude when she wants.

[Beso]

What are your feelings on Helen now and what were they during her own series?


she was a scabby ***** back then, now she's just a *****.

[Tom4784]

Hmmm I'm not feeling Chloe as plain speaking really at the moment she's gone a bit mousy and is happiest blending in.
Yes words like twat, bitch and disgusting human being are fine but they don't mean anything they're just random insults, a bit like the helenisms you despise.

Lol?

You seriously aren't comparing me commenting on Helen's behavior to Helen herself? She's a bully, I'm simply commenting on the fact that she is a bully and that, in the past and now, she has done everything she can to alienate a belittle anyone she dislikes. This is a woman that outs people on Twitter and brands people she dislikes peadophiles. She isn't honest or straight speaking, she's just a evil toxic little bully and I truly do not understand how anyone can be so blind as to defend her actions.

[Lostie!]

It's not just justification because nikki is popular then? She was quite offensive to trans Sam in her series and was warned for her outbursts remember? she can be as rude when she wants.

I have to admit, while we disagree on our views of Helen I do agree about Nikki.

She's nowhere near as awful as Helen, but she did contribute to the Shahbaz nastiness in BB7. Helen's on a totally different level, but Nikki wasn't a saint in her original series, it's just that her nastiness is overlooked by most.

[Tom4784]

It's not just justification because nikki is popular then? She was quite offensive to trans Sam in her series and was warned for her outbursts remember? she can be as rude when she wants.

One incident doesn't mean much when she's been harmless since. I think suggesting she's transphobic is a bit of a joke too. She just didn't gel with Sam, if she was a transphobe then she wouldn't have got on with Nadia no? She wouldn't speak of her so highly.

Helen's been a vicious hypocritical hag since she walked into the house last year and nothing has changed.

[Ammi]

I have to admit, while we disagree on our views of Helen I do agree about Nikki.

She's nowhere near as awful as Helen, but she did contribute to the Shahbaz nastiness in BB7. Helen's on a totally different level, but Nikki wasn't a saint in her original series, it's just that her nastiness is overlooked by most.

..I don't think that it's so much overlooked when it is nasty, Lostie and don't think it was in the series by a lot of people when she was in the wrong but with this and now...?...maybe if she as been nasty so far then it could have been overlooked because Helen's level of nastiness in more and more relentless and so that can happen as well and is why I hate this thing of people in general being 'hailed' for being spiteful offensive people but it's sadly often what BB promotes...

[Tom4784]

Nikki has shown growth, she was nasty at the start of BB but she outgrew it. She's just a harmless eccentric really while Helen has been exactly the same inside the house and out.

[Kizzy]

Lol?

You seriously aren't comparing me commenting on Helen's behavior to Helen herself? She's a bully, I'm simply commenting on the fact that she is a bully and that, in the past and now, she has done everything she can to alienate a belittle anyone she dislikes. This is a woman that outs people on Twitter and brands people she dislikes peadophiles. She isn't honest or straight speaking, she's just a evil toxic little bully and I truly do not understand how anyone can be so blind as to defend her actions.

I think you're a bit blinded by your dislike of her that your posts are descending into a bit of a rant containing lots of derogatory words, I'm not judging her by what she does or says outside the house, I'm commenting on how she is in the house only.
I'm not totally in agreement with all she says and does at all but I do make comparisons with others and can see their behaviour as bad but in a more subtle way, I'm more offended at cheap jibes than loud swearing.

[Tom4784]

I think you're a bit blinded by your dislike of her that your posts are descending into a bit of a rant containing lots of derogatory words, I'm not judging her by what she does or says outside the house, I'm commenting on how she is in the house only.
I'm not totally in agreement with all she says and does at all but I do make comparisons with others and can see their behaviour as bad but in a more subtle way, I'm more offended at cheap jibes than loud swearing.

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[Kizzy]

One incident doesn't mean much when she's been harmless since. I think suggesting she's transphobic is a bit of a joke too. She just didn't gel with Sam, if she was a transphobe then she wouldn't have got on with Nadia no? She wouldn't speak of her so highly.

Helen's been a vicious hypocritical hag since she walked into the house last year and nothing has changed.

I wasn't suggesting she was anything phobic, that was just the reason for her warning.
I don't think she has grown at all, she still gurns, cries, whines and flies off the handle at odd intervals.... nothing's changed :/

[Kizzy]

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[Tom4784]

I wasn't suggesting she was anything phobic, that was just the reason for her warning.
I don't think she has grown at all, she still gurns, cries, whines and flies off the handle at odd intervals.... nothing's changed :/

She's outgrown the nastiness, her childlike behavior is harmless.

[ozzyshaggah]

liked her then still like her now

she is do exactly what she is paid to do - kudos to her - same with nikki

[Livia]

I disliked her then and I dislike her now. Only watched snatches of the show last night because she spoils it for me. She's a horrible, vicious, mutilated slapper. I'm astonished people are still trying to justify her behaviour.

[Kazanne]

I liked her then but only the latter half of the series,I like her now,no sugar coating from her,she is loud,offensive to those she doesn't like,but a good friend to those she does,just because she dislikes a housemate I like doesn't turn me against her,to me that is fickle,Helen is my kind of girl.

[Rob4]

Horrible human, but great HM, she plays her role very well, which is why BB put the **** stirring bitch back in.:hehe:

[Niamh.]

I liked her then but only the latter half of the series,I like her now,no sugar coating from her,she is loud,offensive to those she doesn't like,but a good friend to those she does,just because she dislikes a housemate I like doesn't turn me against her,to me that is fickle,Helen is my kind of girl.

I prefer nice people. I don't subscribe to the myth that you can only be an honest and genuine person if you're a **** :)