Bradford : Family of 12 joins Isis

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/15/18/article-3125096-29A56D7900000578-953_964x485.jpg


Three sisters and their nine children from Bradford could have travelled to join a relative believed to be fighting in Syria.


http://news.sky.com/story/1502664/missing-family-twelve-may-have-gone-to-syria


They went via Saudi Arabia
then went off the Grid.


I think they have Won
Isis on the Internet are Corrupting so many now
future bombers
Some Old Folks in Old towns in the UK
are not up on online wisdom and tricks
sadly.

Ref Ch4HD News Debate

[empire]

then make sure we keep them out of are country,

[Tom4784]

Poor kids, what kind of stupid morons would willingly take children into a war zone?

[the truth]

are we still being called racist for talking about this?

[iToby]

Make sure they stay off the grid. When will the usa, israhel and britain realise that for every one killed in a drone/ artillary strike only serves to turn their relatives into suicide bombers...tho to be honest I think that suits israel as it gives them more excuses to go totally overboard with their response. Am not happy with germany building and paying three quarters of the cost of 6 Dolphin class submarines for israel, and even less impressed with france for fitting them out with nuclear capabilities...All for the only nuclear country that refuses to sign the non proliferation treaty...maybe the french and germans are hoping they'll be left alone when israel finally launches The Samson Option.

[the truth]

do as we do....that's what Americas enemies consider theyre now doing

[arista]

Poor kids, what kind of stupid morons would willingly take children into a war zone?



Yes kids should never go
into Isis

[Gstar]

horrid

[Livia]

Make sure they stay off the grid. When will the usa, israhel and britain realise that for every one killed in a drone/ artillary strike only serves to turn their relatives into suicide bombers...tho to be honest I think that suits israel as it gives them more excuses to go totally overboard with their response. Am not happy with germany building and paying three quarters of the cost of 6 Dolphin class submarines for israel, and even less impressed with france for fitting them out with nuclear capabilities...All for the only nuclear country that refuses to sign the non proliferation treaty...maybe the french and germans are hoping they'll be left alone when israel finally launches The Samson Option.

If the rise of ISIS was a response to Israel I'd respond to this post, but it isn't... so...

[Ninastar]

Horrific. Those poor kids. Thats the saddest part. These children start out so innocent and then they will grow up to either be murderers or get killed themselves. Wish more could be done to help out these kids. Teachers can tell. But there is only so much that can be done.

[arista]

The Husbands can say they had no idea

But the Womens Brother is a Isis Fighter
in Syria

So it all fits in Place

[Livia]

Shameful they should take little children into a war zone. Some kind of mothers they are.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/16/399332/default/v2/cegrab-20150616-164324-356-1-762x428.jpg

The Husbands were just live on the UK News

http://news.sky.com/story/1503270/dads-appeal-for-missing-families-to-come-home


A reporter asked about the Brother who is a Isis Fighter
but the Solicitor - Refused to answer
- Fecking Typical.

[jennyjuniper]

are we still being called racist for talking about this?

I don't care if I am labelled a racist. I hope those morons stay the hell there and never try to come back. The only ones I feel sorry for are the kids. Fancy having stupid brain dead parents like they have.

[Crimson Dynamo]

more twits thinking that they are pleasing some made up god and his rules

its just

[JoshBB]

Oh my god... how awful. I hope we can do something :worry:

then make sure we keep them out of are country,

Do you not have any sympathy for the children? They have no idea as to what ISIS even is.. surely you wouldn't want them with ISIS????

[Livia]

No way should they ever be let back in the country. They are a risk to our national security.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sadly every religion tries to persuade its followers that if they do A and B and follow C and D they will have this amazing life after death - its ideal for those with little education as it appeals to their wishful thinking and its been honed over the centuries to do just that.

Unless we target schools and stop religion seeping in this will continue. Children need to be taught that gods are fake, heaven and hell are fake, magic is fake, ghosts and mediums are fake - question everything and ask for evidence


Ignorance kills

[Livia]

What evidence do you have for love, Trumpet. Or doesn't that exist either, hmmm?

[Z]

I'm getting increasingly pissed off reading government babble like "we need to come up with a strategy to counter radicalisation and understand how people come to be radicalised" (paraphrasing) - 1) idiots are as old as time itself 2) the internet is still in the Wild West stage 3) no army can stop an idea 4) the Middle East is going through what Catholics and Protestants went through several centuries ago in Western Europe 5) there's no such thing as a 'strategy' against people going somewhere of their own accord.

These women chose to go there. Perhaps they don't quite understand what they're getting themselves into, or perhaps they completely understand. It doesn't really matter why they went - they took their children with them and it's unlikely all (or any) of them will be found alive. Sons will become soldiers and daughters will become wives/slaves. The ISIS movement is a bright light in a dark room and the people fluttering towards it are moths who don't understand why they're being fried when they land.

The only thing that the government can do is to close our borders to anyone who makes the decision to go there and make it clear that if you go, you're not coming back at all. Scare tactics are the only thing that will stop people from going. It's hard to know whether these women are victims or criminals, it's a very morally grey area. We don't know their motivations. Perhaps they were lied to or perhaps they fervently agree with the message being spread.

[JoshBB]

What evidence do you have for love, Trumpet. Or doesn't that exist either, hmmm?

This is very true.

Just because you cannot prove something, does not mean it does not exist. You cannot disprove God either, and although that does not mean you should automatically believe, you certainly shouldn't act as if you're intellectually superior for being an atheist.

[Kizzy]

I'm getting increasingly pissed off reading government babble like "we need to come up with a strategy to counter radicalisation and understand how people come to be radicalised" (paraphrasing) - 1) idiots are as old as time itself 2) the internet is still in the Wild West stage 3) no army can stop an idea 4) the Middle East is going through what Catholics and Protestants went through several centuries ago in Western Europe 5) there's no such thing as a 'strategy' against people going somewhere of their own accord.

These women chose to go there. Perhaps they don't quite understand what they're getting themselves into, or perhaps they completely understand. It doesn't really matter why they went - they took their children with them and it's unlikely all (or any) of them will be found alive. Sons will become soldiers and daughters will become wives/slaves. The ISIS movement is a bright light in a dark room and the people fluttering towards it are moths who don't understand why they're being fried when they land.

The only thing that the government can do is to close our borders to anyone who makes the decision to go there and make it clear that if you go, you're not coming back at all. Scare tactics are the only thing that will stop people from going. It's hard to know whether these women are victims or criminals, it's a very morally grey area. We don't know their motivations. Perhaps they were lied to or perhaps they fervently agree with the message being spread.

I'm not sure anyone knows what's going on anymore, a few years ago it was said it was foreign policy and the war which everyone in the west was 100% for (:/) but those radicalised here know we didn't want it.
They're desecrating their own history as we did, that's an idea that still rumbles on today.
It could be the romanticised image of a motherland', a desire to help relatives, misinformation and lies, social and or religious manipulation.
The same tactics are used to get kids to join our army so it figures it will work to employ the same tactics.

[Livia]

The same tactics that ISIS use are used to get people to join the BRITISH Army?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've read on here for ages.

[user104658]

The same tactics that ISIS use are used to get people to join the BRITISH Army?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've read on here for ages.

"The same" as in identical tactics aren't used, but it would be incorrect to say that there are no similarities. Even moreso in the US. Patriotism, ideology, "protecting our way of life", and of course the Big Guy in the Sky are utilized pretty heavily in military recruitment. Is it all that different? Pointing out that the recruitment tactics are similar isn't the same as saying that the "end game" is the same.

Then again, in recent years in the UK the main tactic has been to promote it as an opportunity for self-development (you will learn X,Y,Z, you will travel the world, you will experience blah you will become blah blah blah), which I suppose pretty accurately reflects our culture.

[user104658]

What evidence do you have for love, Trumpet. Or doesn't that exist either, hmmm?

First barbies and now, such poetry and romance? Livia... http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/images/smilies/sFun_explode.gif

[arista]

I'm getting increasingly pissed off reading government babble like "we need to come up with a strategy to counter radicalisation and understand how people come to be radicalised" (paraphrasing) - 1) idiots are as old as time itself 2) the internet is still in the Wild West stage 3) no army can stop an idea 4) the Middle East is going through what Catholics and Protestants went through several centuries ago in Western Europe 5) there's no such thing as a 'strategy' against people going somewhere of their own accord.

These women chose to go there. Perhaps they don't quite understand what they're getting themselves into, or perhaps they completely understand. It doesn't really matter why they went - they took their children with them and it's unlikely all (or any) of them will be found alive. Sons will become soldiers and daughters will become wives/slaves. The ISIS movement is a bright light in a dark room and the people fluttering towards it are moths who don't understand why they're being fried when they land.

The only thing that the government can do is to close our borders to anyone who makes the decision to go there and make it clear that if you go, you're not coming back at all. Scare tactics are the only thing that will stop people from going. It's hard to know whether these women are victims or criminals, it's a very morally grey area. We don't know their motivations. Perhaps they were lied to or perhaps they fervently agree with the message being spread.


Yes but thats normal
the problem with the amount of Muslims
on this trip to hell
is the underage kids

[Vicky.]

Poor kids. Dont give a crap about the mothers, their choice to go and be murdered or mistreated. Don't force **** like that on your children you evil bastards.

[arista]

Poor kids. Dont give a crap about the mothers, their choice to go and be murdered or mistreated. Don't force **** like that on your children you evil bastards.


Yes a 3 year old girl with them



Evil

[Livia]

"The same" as in identical tactics aren't used, but it would be incorrect to say that there are no similarities. Even moreso in the US. Patriotism, ideology, "protecting our way of life", and of course the Big Guy in the Sky are utilized pretty heavily in military recruitment. Is it all that different? Pointing out that the recruitment tactics are similar isn't the same as saying that the "end game" is the same.

Then again, in recent years in the UK the main tactic has been to promote it as an opportunity for self-development (you will learn X,Y,Z, you will travel the world, you will experience blah you will become blah blah blah), which I suppose pretty accurately reflects our culture.

Please... You insult our armed forces by comparing them to ISIS. And really, it's evident that you know nothing about the British Army. The most recent adverts for the services have been lighting their humanitarian and peacekeeping work, and yes, you can learn a bloody useful trade while you're serving. I don't ever remember God being used in army recruiting.

My grandfather, my father and my husband served and to liken their recruitment to being recruited to ISIS is baiting, as far as I'm concerned. More than that, it's laughable.

[Livia]

First barbies and now, such poetry and romance? Livia... http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/images/smilies/sFun_explode.gif

Don't be fooled into thinking I couldn't kill you with my bare hands TS.

[user104658]

Please... You insult our armed forces by comparing them to ISIS. And really, it's evident that you know nothing about the British Army. The most recent adverts for the services have been lighting their humanitarian and peacekeeping work, and yes, you can learn a bloody useful trade while you're serving. I don't ever remember God being used in army recruiting.

My grandfather, my father and my husband served and to liken their recruitment to being recruited to ISIS is baiting, as far as I'm concerned. More than that, it's laughable.

You can compare and contrast anything to anything, surely? I did also point out that the patriotism / Jebus aspects are utilized more in US recruitment than UK. Might not be the official line but they are definitely there and frankly it's laughable to insist that there are NO similarities. People who join any armed force (be that a terrorist organisation or a Western army) for ideological reasons do so because there is an ideology to be upheld that they believe in and want to protect and / or further. That is a similarity? Pointing that out is completely neutral to whether the ideology being furthered / protected is good or toxic. Also, the fact that the topic happens to be a very personal one for you does not automatically make a contrary opinion on that topic "baiting".

It's a divisive topic... and, whilst I appreciate that the reasons for joining up are many and varied, I happen to think that many young people (teenagers, practically children) ARE tempted into the Army with ideologies that many of them are not old enough nor wise enough to fully understand or to have forged their own opinions on yet. It would also be 100% false to say that no one joins the army and then later regrets their decision for ideological reasons.

[user104658]

Don't be fooled into thinking I couldn't kill you with my bear hands TS.

Tut, are you still taking too many opiates?? I had to fix your typo!

http://www.urbangeneralstore.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/y/o/youth_kids_camel_fleece_mittens.jpg

[Livia]

You can compare and contrast anything to anything, surely? I did also point out that the patriotism / Jebus aspects are utilized more in US recruitment than UK. Might not be the official line but they are definitely there and frankly it's laughable to insist that there are NO similarities. People who join any armed force (be that a terrorist organisation or a Western army) for ideological reasons do so because there is an ideology to be upheld that they believe in and want to protect and / or further. That is a similarity? Pointing that out is completely neutral to whether the ideology being furthered / protected is good or toxic. Also, the fact that the topic happens to be a very personal one for you does not automatically make a contrary opinion on that topic "baiting".

It's a divisive topic... and, whilst I appreciate that the reasons for joining up are many and varied, I happen to think that many young people (teenagers, practically children) ARE tempted into the Army with ideologies that many of them are not old enough nor wise enough to fully understand or to have forged their own opinions on yet. It would also be 100% false to say that no one joins the army and then later regrets their decision for ideological reasons.

The fact is that they don't have to tempt too hard TS. They don't take just anyone. You have to have good grades and you have to be hard working and law abiding. And no one is forced to stay in the army.

I don't want to talk about this. It's far too emotional and emotive to discuss the conjecture that the British Army shares anything with terrorists.

[Livia]

Tut, are you still taking too many opiates?? I had to fix your typo!

http://www.urbangeneralstore.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/y/o/youth_kids_camel_fleece_mittens.jpg

Arse.