Is Harry deliberately acting 'the victim'?

[Robodog]

I'm torn. I think she has been targeted a bit too much. But at the same time I think she is exploiting the opportunity to look as isolated and upset as possible.

The fact she point blank refused to say hello to the new HMs while expecting them to 'come to her' is proof of this! If you won't greet them - that's just as bad as them not greeting you! What's the difference?

I know she was upset about just being nommed - but this is Big Brother! Nominations are part of it!

But if she had said hello to them - and then got blanked - THEN she'd have my sympathy.

But to ignore them, blame them for ignoring her and then launching into drama mode for the evening off the back of it - I find hard to sympathise.

How about you?

[Pete.]

I think she's being bullied. She had the horrible treatment from Marc now she has to deal with Helen

[Niamh.]

I think she got a big land and doesn't know how to handle it. She thought she'd played a great game and had won the battle with Marc and won the old HMs over but it all blew up in her face with no warning or mental preparation and she went into melt down mode. I think she'll bounce back again once she gathers her thoughts and puts a new strategy in place. The good news for her is the ex HMs will be gone Friday (assuming Harry doesn't go as well) and she'll only have Marc to deal with again and she can handle him on his own

[Nancy.]

I think so. She knows what she's doing and is now trying to get the sympathy vote from the public.

..and those who say that Harry is being bullied makes a complete mockery of the true meaning of the word. I'm sick and tired of it being wheeled out whenever a fan favorite is receiving any form of backlash. She has chosen not to be part of the group because Marc has returned and she's throwing a hissy-fit and trying every trick in the book to stay in. Hope she get's evicted. Bratty children should be ignored, not rewarded.

[Niamh.]

I think so. She knows what she's doing and is now trying to get the sympathy vote from the public.

Saying Harry is being bullied makes a complete mockery of the true meaning of the word. I'm sick and tired of it being wheeled out whenever a fan favorite is receiving any form of backlash. She has chosen to not be part of the group because Marc has returned and she's throwing a hissy-fit and trying every trick in the book to stay in. Hope she get's evicted. Bratty children should be ignored, not rewarded.

I half agree with you and half don't. I do agree that she's not been bullied and is actually ostracising herself from the whole group because she doesn't like Marc, Helen and probably Nikki but I do think it's a genuine reaction to the nominations and the stuff that was said about her

[Lostie!]

I don't think she's acting the victim, she's just being stroppy.

[Vicky.]

I don't think shes acting the victim...seems to be some viewers determined to push her into the 'bullied' role. I think she is deliberately ostracizing herself because she doesn't like some people. However, what I saw last night was passive aggressive at its very finest. That girl has how to get her way down to a ****ing tee :laugh: Shame Marc/Helen/Nikki won't fall for it.

Shame Simon and Sam didn't think to play it as smart as she is tbh...you know, when she was awful to them...

[Robodog]

I think so. She knows what she's doing and is now trying to get the sympathy vote from the public.

..and those who say that Harry is being bullied makes a complete mockery of the true meaning of the word. I'm sick and tired of it being wheeled out whenever a fan favorite is receiving any form of backlash. She has chosen not to be part of the group because Marc has returned and she's throwing a hissy-fit and trying every trick in the book to stay in. Hope she get's evicted. Bratty children should be ignored, not rewarded.

True. Overuse of the bully word does take it away from the REAl victims of REAL bullying.

In Harry's case - this is not bullying. It's just part of the course of the game of BB.

If there was real bullying then BB would intervene. Unless of course you were Conor and then you'd get 50k.

[Liam-]

I don't think she's acting the victim, she's just being stroppy.

This

[joeysteele]

I don't know, I would give her the benefit of the doubt.
I have really no time for her, she is someone I would avoid like the plague really.

However to have had unexpectedly that nomination shown and also knowing it was the view of all the 4 in the diary room at the time with Helen as just as the spokesperson for them all.

Then to see all the housemates rush to greet them as they came into the house,I would accept inwardly she must have felt devastated.
However, there may also be that fact she heard some real truth as to herself and that was also in part a reason she became so down.

I could feel for her a little but she has,to be fair, with Nick's assistance too, brought a lot of this on herself anyway.

[sampvt]

She got hammered from all angles and she had no exit strategy planned, so she has decided to enlist the help of the sympathy vote. Naturally she will be working hard on what to do next and Nick will prove to be pivotal in that plan, whether or not she dumps him as a mission of mercy, or solicits his help as the wronged and bullied woman, is yet to be seen but she is defo treading water and cant act that quick to fight everyone who is against her.

She is a powerful strategist like Danny and Simon so watch her go in the next day or 2. My guess is she knows the public might dislike Helen so she might go up against Helen and get some votes that way.

[ItWasJustBanter]

Definitely acting the victim.

She has lots of experience of it, all she has to do is mimic her clients' behaviour.

[rubymoo]

I don't think shes acting the victim...seems to be some viewers determined to push her into the 'bullied' role. I think she is deliberately ostracizing herself because she doesn't like some people. However, what I saw last night was passive aggressive at its very finest. That girl has how to get her way down to a ****ing tee :laugh: Shame Marc/Helen/Nikki won't fall for it.

Shame Simon and Sam didn't think to play it as smart as she is tbh...you know, when she was awful to them...

Agree with this tbh.

I don't like it when people are passive aggressive, if you have something to say then say it:fist:

However i do like her and believe she has been given a raw deal, it must've been hard to have heard the "legends:sleep:" say such nasty things. I wouldn't have gone racing to shake their hands had they been so mean about me.

[the truth]

bullied lol .........hilarious. shes a cold hearted prostitute in effect who uses lonely men to pay for her stuff and breaks hearts for a living, including that of a 19 year old teen virgin. disgusting. she has alienated simon and threatened violence upon marc and taken her moods out on the house and totally disrespected the fact they dotn feel comfortable with her being naked all the time especially around food. she doesn't care about anyone else

[Nancy.]

bullied lol .........hilarious. shes a cold hearted prostitute in effect who uses lonely men to pay for her stuff and breaks hearts for a living, including that of a 19 year old teen virgin. disgusting. she has alienated simon and threatened violence upon marc and taken her moods out on the house and totally disrespected the fact they dotn feel comfortable with her being naked all the time especially around food. she doesn't care about anyone else

:dance:

[susie q]

At first I thought she was just being stroppy, but watching her during the interrview task, I thought she did look really crushed. Not keen on her but still think that Nick has also used her. I hope she gets her mojo back, and really takes Helen to task.

[susie q]

:dance:

Nick is not the sweet innocent creature that you think he is.

[lime]

yes she is...without a doubt.I'm not saying she isn't upset she is.I'm sure she was thinking ok mark gone Sam/Simon/Jade next and she had a good chance of making the final.

How people think she is being bullied is beyond me.She got nomminated ffs.For now her sulking is causing the original to pussyfoot around her and she is loving it.
She frightened me last night in the diaryroom...I really thought her head was going to spin around whilst she was on the DR chair.

Would love if BB removed both her and Nick along with their bed...they are really draining to watch

[jennyjuniper]

I'm torn. I think she has been targeted a bit too much. But at the same time I think she is exploiting the opportunity to look as isolated and upset as possible.

The fact she point blank refused to say hello to the new HMs while expecting them to 'come to her' is proof of this! If you won't greet them - that's just as bad as them not greeting you! What's the difference?

I know she was upset about just being nommed - but this is Big Brother! Nominations are part of it!

But if she had said hello to them - and then got blanked - THEN she'd have my sympathy.

But to ignore them, blame them for ignoring her and then launching into drama mode for the evening off the back of it - I find hard to sympathise.

How about you?
Exactly how I feel.

[the truth]

she was lucky not to be warned for her various violent threats a few days ago

[rionablue]

Harry is a smart cookie. She knew that by going to the toilet to sulk that the others would come in after her and ask if she is alright and fawn over her. Harry gave up any chance she had of making the final by latching onto Nick and visa versa. She needs to grow the **** up, dislodge herself from Nick and try to enjoy what may or may not be her last few days. She also needs to show the legends that she isn't bothered about what they say. Even if she IS its always better to keep her chin up and act like its all a game which it IS. I am hoping Jack is up yet because he has argued with anyone who has put him up to date. He thinks is peoples and housmates champion. VILE

[Livia]

Harry has been singled our and now is being divided from the group. Anyone here who has ever been put in that position will be understanding of it. I really don't like Harry, but I think she's been put in a very uncomfortable situation by Marc and this has been compounded by Helen.

[Niamh.]

Harry has been singled our and now is being divided from the group. Anyone here who has ever been put in that position will be understanding of it. I really don't like Harry, but I think she's been put in a very uncomfortable situation by Marc and this has been compounded by Helen.

I agree with you to a point but lets not forget that when the shoe was on the other foot, she had no problem singling out and dividing Simon from the group either

[Vicky.]

I agree with you to a point but lets not forget that when the shoe was on the other foot, she had no problem singling out and dividing Simon from the group either

(and Sam)

[Liam-]

Harry has been mingling with everyone today, including Helen, so she was obviously more than capable of being within the group, she just chose not to be.

[Niamh.]

(and Sam)

yup

[Niamh.]

Harry has been mingling with everyone today, including Helen, so she was obviously more than capable of being within the group, she just chose not to be.

Yeah, I knew she'd put herself back in the game once she'd dealt with the initial shock and gathered her thoughts

[Josy]

Yup

[Pink Pegasus]

I wouldn't have gone to welcome the housemates either in the position she was in. Marc and her hate each other so it would have looked ridiculous if she went to welcome him back. It seemed like literally only a few seconds or maybe 1 minute had passed from when she saw clips of the housemates calling her a manipulative bitch, slagging her of, nominating her and then Helen saying "good" when BB confirmed she was up for eviction, to when the housemates then re-entered house.

So if I was her just a few seconds after seeing all that, I certainly wouldn't go running up to hug or even greet and welcome people who had made it clear they seemed to hate me and were glad I was up.
NOT because I was throwing a strop, but because I would be very unsure of the reaction I was going to get from them. I would worry that I would make an absolute tit of myself if I ran up saying hello that they might say "fcuk of bitch, don't speak to us, can't stand you" or something along those lines and that I would look really stupid.

I would just feel very unsure of how to react and would probably just stand there trying to look friendly and approachable and maybe smile a bit so that if they came in peace they knew they could come over to me, but I would be wary about approaching them first. She was very friendly and hugged Brian as soon as he even just got near her so I think it might just have been apprehension of what their reaction would be that held her back from welcoming and initiating greetings with them.

So her not going over to them I can understand. A lot of her behaviour afterwards though definitely seems attention seeking and passive aggressive. The sitting on the floor in the bathroom, the turning her back on the camera in diary room. The unconvincing "I'm fine". Stropping past Danny and Jade in the bathroom when she was going to bed. This type of sulky tantrum throwing is classic passive aggressive behaviour and will not win her many fans.

So whilst I can see a reason for her to be unhappy about what was said about her and I can see why she feels annoyed, I don't think she handled the situation well at all and was milking the situation a bit to get pity and attention. She did choose to take herself away and do all that sulking alone on the bathroom floor and in diary room etc, nobody forced her there and there are several housemates who cared for her and tried to get her to come around but she chose not to.

Maybe she will snap out of it now but on yesterday's show she really did seem to be milking the situation.

[Visage]

I'm torn, but leaning more towards her not putting on an act. I think she is trying to basically stay calm and out of trouble.

[bots]

Harry is not a weak person, or to put it another way, she is an exhibitionist, someone who likes being the centre of attention at all times. That type of person can't be ostracised, because she would just be right back in their faces, she doesn't care. By creating her own self imposed isolation, she is able to put the focus back on herself, both from a house mate and a camera time perspective - pretty clever play really

[Visage]

Harry is not a weak person, or to put it another way, she is an exhibitionist, someone who likes being the centre of attention at all times. That type of person can't be ostracised, because she would just be right back in their faces, she doesn't care. By creating her own self imposed isolation, she is able to put the focus back on herself, both from a house mate and a camera time perspective - pretty clever play really

You point out some good valid points, though I'm still torn.

Some people are much stronger than others, but there must be a point where we can only take so much. I'm not suggesting that Harry has been pushed to that point, but it's possible.

[the_answers]

Not sure yet.
She hasn't been treated well but equally could be milking it for all it's worth.

If so, could you blame her ?
Least she's mostly doing it alone off her own back.
Genuine or not, think it's pretty impressive.

It's only flaunting herself that doesn't want me to watch her anymore.

[sosadbbend]

She is a victim! But I bet she wouldn't like to be called one! I feel so sorry for her!

[Lister of Smeg]

Yes she is she's realised Marc is popular on the outside now she's trying to turn the tide by acting the victim. Marc is spot on about her she's using Nick for air time and even if she was intrested he'd be a mug for going for her she's damaged goods.

[the_answers]

I wouldn't have gone to welcome the housemates either in the position she was in. Marc and her hate each other so it would have looked ridiculous if she went to welcome him back. It seemed like literally only a few seconds or maybe 1 minute had passed from when she saw clips of the housemates calling her a manipulative bitch, slagging her of, nominating her and then Helen saying "good" when BB confirmed she was up for eviction, to when the housemates then re-entered house.

So if I was her just a few seconds after seeing all that, I certainly wouldn't go running up to hug or even greet and welcome people who had made it clear they seemed to hate me and were glad I was up.
NOT because I was throwing a strop, but because I would be very unsure of the reaction I was going to get from them. I would worry that I would make an absolute tit of myself if I ran up saying hello that they might say "fcuk of bitch, don't speak to us, can't stand you" or something along those lines and that I would look really stupid.

I would just feel very unsure of how to react and would probably just stand there trying to look friendly and approachable and maybe smile a bit so that if they came in peace they knew they could come over to me, but I would be wary about approaching them first. She was very friendly and hugged Brian as soon as he even just got near her so I think it might just have been apprehension of what their reaction would be that held her back from welcoming and initiating greetings with them.

So her not going over to them I can understand.
Agreed and wouldn't expect her to for all those reasons.

But then is she right to complain at others if they don't come over to say hello to her ?

How come she can avoid it but others can't ?
Does she really expect those who have just nommed her rush over and be mega-chummy ?

Very clever play the victim tactics !

Haven't seen anyone mention it so guess she pulled off another blinder there.

[Pink Pegasus]

Agreed and wouldn't expect her to for all those reasons.

But then is she right to complain at others if they don't come over to say hello to her ?

How come she can avoid it but others can't ?
Does she really expect those who have just nommed her rush over and be mega-chummy ?

Very clever play the victim tactics !

Haven't seen anyone mention it so guess she pulled off another blinder there.

Did she really complain much though? I know she said "they can come to me" and I think we both agree why she didn't approach them first, and she said "at least you said hello" to Brian but I didn't think she complained that much about them not coming over straight away. They were after attacking her on screen and nominating her so the onus kinda was on them to make the first approach imo. I didn't get the impression that she expected them to be mega chummy just to maybe say hello.

They obviously had every right not to say hello to her too though if they didn't want to.

I agree she definitely did go on to play the victim later in the show though with all her sulking etc., but thought that was more because of being nominated and what they said about her in the diary room rather than just for the simple fact of them not coming and saying hello instantly.

[Robertocarlo]

Harry is an attention seeking witch in my honest opinion. Her sulks and that blo*dy voice drive me nuts. Really hope she goes on Friday not least so that Nick can escape from under her duvet! :hehe:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Is Harry not allowed to be upset? I think melting down by isolating yourself and hiding is a lot more natural than what we could've seen, and she's not really drawing attention to herself :shrug: some people are just going to hate her regardless though so oh well.

[the_answers]

Did she really complain much though? I know she said "they can come to me" and I think we both agree why she didn't approach them first, and she said "at least you said hello" to Brian but I didn't think she complained that much about them not coming over straight away.
Well was thinking of 2 things

1. the Brian thing (i.e. drop others in it)
2. BOTS exclusive last night where she makes a point about Helen not making the effort to say hello to her.

Guess it could be on the HLs tonight.

Anyway I do see your point but rightly or wrongly she does like to make points about her treatment (when it suits her) instead of just shrugging it off.

[Pink Pegasus]

Well was thinking of 2 things

1. the Brian thing (i.e. drop others in it)
2. BOTS exclusive last night where she makes a point about Helen not making the effort to say hello to her.

Guess it could be on the HLs tonight.

Anyway I do see your point but rightly or wrongly she does like to make points about her treatment (when it suits her) instead of just shrugging it off.

Oh right I haven't seen last night's BOTS yet, so I need to catch up on it later. My fella can't stand the show so I compromised and gave him the remote last night before BOTS. :spin:

[the_answers]

No worries ! :)
Often wonder whether to make points in advance of the main HL show.

Can't help myself peeking at the website either.

[hijaxers]

She is a victim! But I bet she wouldn't like to be called one! I feel so sorry for her!

Utter tripe

[reece(:]

I think she's being bullied. She had the horrible treatment from Marc now she has to deal with Helen
:clap1:

[Waynoo]

she has no problem bullying simon

[jennyjuniper]

She has perfected the art of emotional blackmail. The 'Poor me I'm being bullied so I have to go and hide in the toilet til someone comes and persuades me to be the brave little woman and return to the house' act will wear thin very quickly, but right now she's getting exactly what she wants. The sympathy vote. Not from me though.

[Josy]

She has perfected the art of emotional blackmail. The 'Poor me I'm being bullied so I have to go and hide in the toilet til someone comes and persuades me to be the brave little woman and return to the house' act will wear thin very quickly, but right now she's getting exactly what she wants. The sympathy vote. Not from me though.

:clap1:

[Nancy.]

She has perfected the art of emotional blackmail. The 'Poor me I'm being bullied so I have to go and hide in the toilet til someone comes and persuades me to be the brave little woman and return to the house' act will wear thin very quickly, but right now she's getting exactly what she wants. The sympathy vote. Not from me though.

:cheer:

[Lstan]

bullied lol .........hilarious. shes a cold hearted prostitute in effect who uses lonely men to pay for her stuff and breaks hearts for a living, including that of a 19 year old teen virgin. disgusting. she has alienated simon and threatened violence upon marc and taken her moods out on the house and totally disrespected the fact they dotn feel comfortable with her being naked all the time especially around food. she doesn't care about anyone else

Thats a bit of stretch-how do you know all the men who go to prostitutes are lonely? A lot of married men visit prostitutes-also isnt she a cam girl? How is she "breaking hearts" when they are approaching her channel, its clear they only want her for one thing-this isnt romeo and juliet. Unless you are trying to saying all men are incredibly thick? :laugh:

[vortex]

It's so obvious she's playing up to the cameras, she doesn't have many options now.

[Tarryn]

She has perfected the art of emotional blackmail. The 'Poor me I'm being bullied so I have to go and hide in the toilet til someone comes and persuades me to be the brave little woman and return to the house' act will wear thin very quickly, but right now she's getting exactly what she wants. The sympathy vote. Not from me though.

I don't like Harry & I think it was an error by BB to place her in there as she brings nothing to the house BUT I do think she just behaved that night as most would. If she went up to Marc or Helen then she would have been accused of being a hypocrite or arse-kissing.
Chloe plays the victim just as much. She can't take any criticism & cries every time she thinks a HM does not like her.
At least Harry does not do that.
The ONLY reason I want Harry to stay is to annoy Helen & Marc.