Greece: now under German Instrustions

[arista]

First Title of this thread
Greece: UK 'Steps Up' Preparations For Grexit


Yes PM
very Wise.


As Greece may have to leave the €uro
to escape the Debts

It will take 6months before the €uro is removed
from the country
so any going on Holidays
take €uros , thats fine (Travel Expert said)


http://news.sky.com/story/1503717/greece-uk-steps-up-preparations-for-grexit

[empire]

if greece can get out of the eussr, then we can,

[Kizzy]

How can you 'sack' a country?

[the truth]

I pray this is the beginning of the end of the EUSSR

[MTVN]

'EUSSR' lol, funny thing is Syriza would be the least likely bedfellows for Ukip et al in normal circumstances

Be sad if the Greeks leave but their government sounds too uncompromising

[the truth]

'EUSSR' lol, funny thing is Syriza would be the least likely bedfellows for Ukip et al in normal circumstances

Be sad if the Greeks leave but their government sounds too uncompromising

Its nothing to do with uncompromising, these countries have absolutely no control over their own economies...the chancellor or Germany is the chancellor of the EU and thus all countries by default. the germans and rench control everything, all the rules and laws, the currency too..........the greeks cant do anything they cant raise interest rates they cant deflate the currency, they are totally and utterly enslaved to the EUSSR

this is communism by any other name

this is not the end of it, this is the end of the beginning.......Europe is going bankrupt.....the rules and laws are insane. trade will stagnate and economies will fall into the sea

[arista]

'EUSSR' lol, funny thing is Syriza would be the least likely bedfellows for Ukip et al in normal circumstances

Be sad if the Greeks leave but their government sounds too uncompromising


"Socialism" does Not Work

[the truth]

socialism is the poltics of envy these days, Europe is the politics of communism

Nigel Farage (UKIP, EFD): Mr Cameron heads to Brussels tomorrow, I think on 'mission impossible'. But it is a remarkable debate to think that the European Union is talking about taking another trillion euros from European taxpayers despite the fact that the accounts have not been signed off for 18 years in a row. If this was a company, the directors, or in this case the Commission, would all be in prison.

But never mind, Mr Cameron will go and he will argue for a freeze. Or what he means by a freeze - is the same over bloated budget with increases for inflation. That actually is the best, the very best that he can achieve in these negotiations. I have no doubt he will actually come home with the UK taxpayer having an even bigger bill. Well it won't work because the public opinion in Britain is now very clear. What our taxpayers are saying is 'Enough is enough.'

No longer do we wish to pay money to Hungarian companies involved in projects to "improve the lifestyle and living standards of dogs". And our patience has completely snapped at such cultural absurdities as the 400,000 euros given to the Flying Gorillas Dance Troupe who using their own language of "rhythm, music and gibberish" - well they'd fit in here well wouldn't they - give performances such as the "brilliant 'Smelly Foot Dance' with an acoustic score that includes spectacular belching." No, I'm not making it up.

And I think the British public are angry at the fleets of chauffeur driven cars, at the extravagant buildings and the never ending travelling circus that is the European Parliament.

We pay 53 million pounds a day to be a member of this organisation for no benefit whatsoever. Mr Cameron, when you come back from this Brussels summit why don't you accept my challenge, and let's have a proper and full debate in Britain on whether it's worth staying a member of this Union or not.

The last opinion polls over the weekend show that now, by a majority of two to one, the British people now want us to leave this Union and not pay you a penny piece.

Thank you.

[arista]

[socialism is the politics of envy these days, Europe is the politics of communism]

Yes
Bang On Right
The Truth

[arista]

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[arista]

Ch4HD News
12 days to go.

[empire]

socialism is dead, in todays world, how many parties in the eu have nearly bankrupt, their countries, and overspent on money that should not of been spent, greek party syriza, realized that if they stayed in the eu, the poverty rate would be as bad as the crash of 29, if turkey is part of the eu, then austria and italy will leave the eu, because these countries have had a long history of bad blood and mistrust with turkey,

[arista]

If Greece Defaults Germany must cut them free


This will help our PM
as it means a proper treaty change can happen.


Ref: SkyNewsHD

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/19/400120/default/v0/grex6-1-800x600.jpg


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/19/400122/default/v0/grex4-2-762x428.jpg

[arista]

Today the Card Bank Machines may run out
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/28/402022/default/v1/gettyimages-478747000-1-800x600.jpg

Greece Exit From Eurozone 'Almost Inevitable'

http://news.sky.com/story/1509620/greece-exit-from-eurozone-almost-inevitable

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/27/401771/default/v2/new-greece-timeline-page-1-960x720.jpg

[the truth]

merkel should never be allowed to be chancellor of both Germany and Europe at the same time, talk about conflict of interests, its absurd and theres probably laws against it, which of course the all powerful EU choose to over ride...disgusting corrupt wasteful ruthless organization that simply reinforces completely the hold of massive global corporations over europe

[empire]

greece is going to side with russia, so they will no longer be part of nato, or the eu army they talk about,

[Northern Monkey]

The EU and the Euros days are numbered.Two disasters hopefully never to be repeated.

[empire]

merkel is todays very own hermann Goring, a dimwit in truth,

[Toy Soldier]

merkel is todays very own hermann Goring, a dimwit in truth,

Oh hi there Godwin...

[arista]

Today there is now a limit on ATM's €60 per day that you can
withdraw

http://news.sky.com/story/1509799/greek-banks-and-stock-exchange-in-shutdown


Sign Of The Times

[the truth]

this is going to end in civil war

[arista]

Depends if they
say No on Sundays Referendum.


If the Say No
they will be Kicked out of the €uro.



If they Vote "Yes"
that means they Obey The German Command to the letter.


Civil War is on the way,
whatever way they go

[the truth]

11 million people virtually penniless....and this is just the first

[JoshBB]

if greece can get out of the eussr, then we can,

It's actually quite offensive to compare the EU to a regime resulting in the death of MILLIONS, so stop.

[the truth]

It's actually quite offensive to compare the EU to a regime resulting in the death of MILLIONS, so stop.

how do you know it wont end up the same way down the line?

[JoshBB]

how do you know it wont end up the same way down the line?

How do you know the United Kingdom won't?

it's a ridiculous claim to make.

[arista]

All The World Markets are down
due to Greece Crisis

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/29/402306/default/v1/pink-1front-20150630-100-1-1-720x960.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/29/402310/default/v1/30jun1national01-1-720x960.jpg

[the truth]

take the drachma you have no choice.....ps who do they actually owe this money to?

[arista]

take the drachma you have no choice.....ps who do they actually owe this money to?


Greece now says they want 2 year loan deal
from Germany.



But I am not not sure they can demand anything

[smudgie]

They want to be part of Europe, they want to borrow more money..are we meant to feel sorry for them when we tighten our belts to get on our feet and they are anti-austerity?
That would be a no from me...we have to work at least 4 years longer than them to claim our pensions, they need to sort themselves out instead of looking to the rest of Europe to keep bailing them out and getting them deeper into debt.

[Nedusa]

socialism is the poltics of envy these days, Europe is the politics of communism

Nigel Farage (UKIP, EFD): Mr Cameron heads to Brussels tomorrow, I think on 'mission impossible'. But it is a remarkable debate to think that the European Union is talking about taking another trillion euros from European taxpayers despite the fact that the accounts have not been signed off for 18 years in a row. If this was a company, the directors, or in this case the Commission, would all be in prison.

But never mind, Mr Cameron will go and he will argue for a freeze. Or what he means by a freeze - is the same over bloated budget with increases for inflation. That actually is the best, the very best that he can achieve in these negotiations. I have no doubt he will actually come home with the UK taxpayer having an even bigger bill. Well it won't work because the public opinion in Britain is now very clear. What our taxpayers are saying is 'Enough is enough.'

No longer do we wish to pay money to Hungarian companies involved in projects to "improve the lifestyle and living standards of dogs". And our patience has completely snapped at such cultural absurdities as the 400,000 euros given to the Flying Gorillas Dance Troupe who using their own language of "rhythm, music and gibberish" - well they'd fit in here well wouldn't they - give performances such as the "brilliant 'Smelly Foot Dance' with an acoustic score that includes spectacular belching." No, I'm not making it up.

And I think the British public are angry at the fleets of chauffeur driven cars, at the extravagant buildings and the never ending travelling circus that is the European Parliament.

We pay 53 million pounds a day to be a member of this organisation for no benefit whatsoever. Mr Cameron, when you come back from this Brussels summit why don't you accept my challenge, and let's have a proper and full debate in Britain on whether it's worth staying a member of this Union or not.

The last opinion polls over the weekend show that now, by a majority of two to one, the British people now want us to leave this Union and not pay you a penny piece.

Thank you.

Well Said..............:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[arista]

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[Nedusa]

Greece is basically offering itself to highest bidder one the one side NATO the EU and the IMF with all strings attached or on the other hand part of the BRICS with Russia and a bailout using Russian money but this comes at a price and Greece would have to block all NATO actions near its territory and most likely allow Russia to build bases there.

[Kizzy]

I think the phrase is 'over a barrel' then?

[MTVN]

Well I don't think Russia will be able to afford a Greek bailout, any strong relationship between the two will mainly be political to give Greece a bit of leverage. It is a real stalemate and neither side is looking likely to back down. This referendum on Sunday is a farce - not only was it crazy to call it on a whim without informing anyone but the question is so convoluted that barely any voters are going to understand it. And calling the referendum in the first place has meant that the Troika's proposals have been withdrawn so there's not even anything to vote on.

It's all impossible to follow, the Greek finance minister is saying that the most viable plans have been discussed since the calling of the referendum but according to any other official source there has been no discussion at all since that referendum was called?? And all the while Greeks are running out of money, businesses are going bust, people can barely put food on the table and suicide rates are rocketing. None of that looks likely to ease up anytime soon no matter what the outcome is in the next few weeks.

[Niamh.]

Interesting read

http://news.yahoo.com/case-greece-forgave-germanys-debt-154706236--finance.html

[MTVN]

Mmm I suppose the counter-argument would be that Greece has already received two bail outs on quite generous terms and has failed to meet their end of the bargain both times. Like the article mentions as well it was different in that Germany was a historically strong functioning economy and was more important for political reasons. It's hard for the German government when they're under a lot of domestic pressure to take a though stance - most the population actually want them to be tougher than they are being. Merkel won't want to be the Chancellor who oversaw the breakdown of the Eurozone but she also has an election that needs winning in a couple of years.

Is there quite a lot of sympathy for Greece in Ireland Niamh? Because I think the EU would say that countries like Ireland, Spain and Portugal also had to have it tough for their bailouts but they have kept to their end of the bargain and have come out of it ok.

[Niamh.]

Yeah I think there is. Like, alot of people think that maybe our government lay down too easily to Europe and that they should have fought harder for us in our terms of repayment. People are feeling a bit hammered by new taxes and increases and cut backs and are pretty pissed off with it all, so there's a bit of understanding there for a country who just told them no, if you know what I mean?

[MTVN]

Yeah I think there is. Like, alot of people think that maybe our government lay down too easily to Europe and that they should have fought harder for us in our terms of repayment. People are feeling a bit hammered by new taxes and increases and cut backs and are pretty pissed off with it all, so there's a bit of understanding there for a country who just told them no, if you know what I mean?

Yeah I see, it's difficult cause I suppose it makes you wonder how democratic it is when a government is basically being told 'accept these demands from banks and creditors or you're ruined'. Although there's also governments in europe under pressure from their populations to take a firm line and not allow the Greeks to give up their end of the bargain when their countries are owed millions. And how worth it is it to be so defiant if you'll be worse off in the long run :/ Both sides have overplayed their hands and been too stubborn imo, I do think if Greece had a more moderate government in power that it'd be easier to come to an agreement, their PM seems really erratic

[bots]

Yeah I see, it's difficult cause I suppose it makes you wonder how democratic it is when a government is basically being told 'accept these demands from banks and creditors or you're ruined'. Although there's also governments in europe under pressure from their populations to take a firm line and not allow the Greeks to give up their end of the bargain when their countries are owed millions. And how worth it is it to be so defiant if you'll be worse off in the long run :/ Both sides have overplayed their hands and been too stubborn imo, I do think if Greece had a more moderate government in power that it'd be easier to come to an agreement, their PM seems really erratic

The problem is that when these loans were given to Greece, everyone without exception knew that they were going to default on payments sooner rather than later. They should have been booted out of Europe when they got in to trouble. A bank wont lend to a customer who is in debt and has no prospect of paying it back, so why was Greece treated any differently. The decision makers have made everything worse by not taking the appropriate action at the time and I am sure Greece is gambling on the same decision makers being lenient again. A Greek no vote with ineffectual consequences puts Greece in a stronger position.

[arista]

Thousands Protest Ahead Of Greek Referendum

[At least 20,000 people turned out at each demonstration,
two days before the vote which asks Greeks whether
they want to accept or reject tough bailout terms imposed by international creditors.]

http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/706933/stream_img.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1512967/thousands-protest-ahead-of-greek-referendum

http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150703&t=2&i=1061309123&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=644&pl=429&r=LYNXNPEB620W9

[Iceman]

The fact that people in Greece can't understand the question on the ballot paper is scary.

[MTVN]

The fact that people in Greece can't understand the question on the ballot paper is scary.

Andrew Neil on our tv today was saying that he has a degree in Economics and even he can't work out half the question

The problem is that means both sides can twist the referendum to mean whatever they want. Syriza et al will equate 'no' with = standing up for Greeks and enabling a stronger negotiating position while the opposition are going to equate 'no' with = leave the Euro and ensure even harder times to come. How are Greece supposed to come to a decision on this? And even if they can, so what? They're voting on an agreement that apparently became redundant when they called this referendum. It's madness

[arista]

Andrew Neil on our tv today was saying that he has a degree in Economics and even he can't work out half the question

The problem is that means both sides can twist the referendum to mean whatever they want. Syriza et al will equate 'no' with = standing up for Greeks and enabling a stronger negotiating position while the opposition are going to equate 'no' with = leave the Euro and ensure even harder times to come. How are Greece supposed to come to a decision on this? And even if they can, so what? They're voting on an agreement that apparently became redundant when they called this referendum. It's madness

Yes a No Vote
is the Wrong it will start the Germany - Greece War again.


they must Vote Yes.

[Kizzy]

If they could do it without cuts resulting in the deaths of citizens surely they would... they're not Britain are they?

[arista]

If they could do it without cuts resulting in the deaths of citizens surely they would... they're not Britain are they?


Its not just Cuts
its Germany sorting out their Whole Way of Life
otherwise
they must Get The Hell out of the Club.

Sign Of The Times

[Kizzy]

Well it looks looks like it's Germany or Russia... who would you pick?

[arista]

Well it looks looks like it's Germany or Russia... who would you pick?



Germany is Pro €uro money


Russia is Anti €uro money


So if they want to stay in the Club
they must pick Germany.

[bots]

there is no way greece will vote Yes. Just boot them out already

[arista]

there is no way greece will vote Yes. Just boot them out already


But there is more going to Vote Yes
than the bitter No Voters

[arista]

Paul Mason Ch4HD News

says No may win.

Polls Closed
No Exit Polls


full results after 9PM our time

[GypsyGoth]

I don't understand what's going on.

[Cherie]

I don't understand what's going on.

Neither do I :laugh: they vote no but still retain the euro apparently :shrug:

[bots]

According to the BBC early results show a NO ahead .... in a rough 60/40 in favour of NO

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33403665

[joeysteele]

Paul Mason Ch4HD News

says No may win.

Polls Closed
No Exit Polls


full results after 9PM our time

Early forecasts predict a 'no', this will put the cat among the pigeons.

[arista]

Early forecasts predict a 'no', this will put the cat among the pigeons.

For Sure.

But the banks have no more money.



So Punk .. Germany
Whatcha Gonna Do?

[MTVN]

Well now it really is a question of who will hold their nerve. The referendum was meaningless in real terms but its very symbolic.

[the truth]

so the European union has failed, the euro has failed, socialism has failed in Greece and corporate capitalism has also failed...and WE workers will HAVE to pay across the EU. That's more austerity for us, more cash grabs. hide your money under your beds this is going to see Europe freefall............all because we have politicians and local councillors who are corrupt and idiotic. we are totally destroyed by red tape and cash grabs. my dear old oap mother pays £2000 a year in council tax and she lives alone? ahe also pays vat on all her huge fuel bills and energy bills...to line the pockets of these farking corrupt politicians.....now we have devolution we have 1000s more of these useless civil servants...adding nothing and taking away everything

[arista]

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[arista]

Yanis Resigned as finance minister yesterday
because reports from Germany
that many will no longer talk with him.

http://www.cityam.com/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_article_body_image/public/main/blogposts/Yanis%20Varoufakis.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1513859/greek-finance-minister-quits-despite-no-vote

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/7/6/404049/default/v1/gettyimages-479667458-1-960x720.jpg
Off he goes with his wife

http://news.sky.com/story/1514236/greece-extends-bank-closures-for-days

[empire]

the problem with socialism is, that it can bring laziness in people, to not work or contribute something to society, greece is far better being out of the eu, because there they can balance the books, with out the eu assholes telling them to borrow all the time,

[JoshBB]

the problem with socialism is, that it can bring laziness in people, to not work or contribute something to society, greece is far better being out of the eu, because there they can balance the books, with out the eu assholes telling them to borrow all the time,

Yeah but the EU is also forcing austerity upon them, which is not socialism in any aspect.

[arista]

Yes JoshBB
its The Germans demanding they half their wages,


Of Course
they can get out of the €uro
which is still on the cards


Sign Of The Times.

[the truth]

merkel should be allowed to be in charge of Germany and Europe at the same time, talk about a conflict of interests? mental

[arista]

Germany is saying the want a Referendum
on what to do with Greece?
Ref : Ch4HD News Live

You Having a Fecking Laugh?

[the truth]

Germany is saying the want a Referendum
on what to do with Greece?
Ref : Ch4HD News Live

You Having a Fecking Laugh?

all the euros are in Germany and Greece has no money nor even any printing presses to print drachmas if they leave the euro

who in the hell do Germany and merkel think they are? she runs Europe and Germany , its a fecking disgrace and wouldn't be allowed in any other walk of life

[Kizzy]

Greece request a new bailout from it's EU neighbours ...phew.

[arista]

Yes but he must set a Road Map with Dates
of Cut Backs,


Many Europe nations want
them out.

[Kizzy]

I doubt that in all fairness, they may have been leaning on them but as a stepping stone country into Europe I doubt an exit will ever truly be an option.

[the truth]

and so we kick the problem down the road a few more years so the next collapse will be even more monstrous

[MTVN]

The onus is on Greece to convince the rest of the Eurozone that they'll put in appropriate reforms so that we're not in this same situation in a couple of years. Everyone goes on about Merkel but she's one of the keenest to keep Greece in the Euro - 15 of the 19 Eurozone countries are now thought to be ready to accept Greece leaving. Syriza will bang on about democracy all they like but there are 18 other democratically elected governments who are also accountable to their populations and all of their views matter just as much as the Greeks does.

[the truth]

The onus is on Greece to convince the rest of the Eurozone that they'll put in appropriate reforms so that we're not in this same situation in a couple of years. Everyone goes on about Merkel but she's one of the keenest to keep Greece in the Euro - 15 of the 19 Eurozone countries are now thought to be ready to accept Greece leaving. Syriza will bang on about democracy all they like but there are 18 other democratically elected governments who are also accountable to their populations and all of their views matter just as much as the Greeks does.

merkel is the worst of the lot 1) no one should be allowed to run a country and the Eurozone economies at the same time 2) several nations are already bankrupt under her rule 3) unemployment is at record highs across the eu under her reign 4) she has overseen the biggest most absurd constitution ever written with 587 pages of laws and regulations which will cripple all eu economies 5) she let slip yesterday she feels she is in charge now of 18 sovereign states....what a control freak. a person who got the job by stabbing in the back her mentor helmet kohl. she is destroying europe

[bots]

why on earth should the other eurozone countries be forced to pay more because the greek voters voted no. Its not going to happen. For greece to get a new deal it requires all the eurozones to approve the deal, not just a majority. Thats not going to happen unless greece changes its attitude.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/08/00/2A508CBC00000578-0-image-a-132_1436312287427.jpg
Greece

China Markets Down (nothing to do with Greece)

New York Stock Exchange stopped due to a fault


A bad day today


Ref : Bloomberg Live & SkyNewsHD

[empire]

the end of the eu, many countries with anti eu parties, will seal there borders to keep out refugees who take boats from libya, russia and greece will have more ties, with economic aid, and more military ties, the eu's biggest weakness was having a coup in ukraine, which intruth, it speed up its collapse, in giving ukraine money, that was not going to be given back, where was the eu going to get its money to pay off greece debuts, the greek people caught on and voted, before it is too late, there is no way that greece would have economic wealth under the eu, whats worst than having soviet style poverty, in your country,

[arista]

Greece asked for a Debt Cut

Germany said No Way

[MB.]

http://i.imgur.com/VtKlyUT.png

[arista]

Todays EU Summit in Brussels on Greece is
Cancelled
PM David Cameron not going to Brussels.


Grexit back on the the table

[arista]

Nick Clegg on the Sunday Politics
said is a shame they cancelled todays Leaders Summit,
because Greece and Germany keep going the wrong way
and if they are removed from the EU
then Putin can come on in with his , help.

[Kizzy]

Well duuur... haha that didn't take much figuring out did it? :laugh:

[arista]

Ch4HDNews Live
and SkyNewsHD Live

Greece must do the German -French Design Deal
within 3 days but if they do not,
then possible Grexit for 5 years?

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/7/12/405660/default/v1/ft-1-720x960.jpg

[Iceman]

Agreement reached. No exit.

[Kizzy]

Of course there won't be, his poker face is a bit 'lost puppy' isn't it? :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Greece was already in debt before they joined the EU anyway.

I feel sorry for the EU getting abuse by some of the Greeks when the rest of us in the EU have been paying to keep that country a float.

[the truth]

240 billion bailout-THIS IS INSANE

[arista]

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/02418/01_18084702_2c8b79_2418037a.jpg
King Simon pops down to Greece
for a break.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/6549200/Simon-Cowell-heads-off-to-bargain-holiday-in-Greece.html

[Livia]

Taken from the newsletter of Vicky Ford MEP:

"Yet again eyes are focused on Greece. The British media caricatures this as a Germany vs Greece battle but I am struck by comments from other countries. My Croatian colleague Ruža Tomašić asked "why should the Greek pensions be paid by people who have lower pension expectations themselves?" another colleague described how a "haircut" on Greek debt would be paid for by nurses in Portugal. I understand that Estonia has already sent over 4 percent of their GDP to Greece, Malta 3.5% and Slovenia over 3%. I hope that this new deal does help to get the Greek economy moving again but I fear it's not solved.

[bots]

I know Greek people quite well, and one thing I know is that laws mean nothing to them unless they are enforced. Greece will receive the money, and nothing much will change. It will just be a bigger problem in 6 months or a years time. As Germany is the majority contributor to the bailout, they stand to lose the most if it all goes pear shaped - and it will.

Thankfully, its only private banks that are lending to Greece in the UK.

[the truth]

this is all just a tip of the iceberg when a megalomaniac like merkel decides to try and take over all of Europe and merge 30 odd ancient countries together with the biggest most ridiculous litigious constitution ever invented...1000S OF YEARS OF DIFFERENT LAWS, DIFFERENT CULTURES, DIFFERENT SKILLS, DIFFERENT RESOURCES, DIFFERENT HERITAGE, DIFFERENT FINANCES, DIFFERENT WEATH, DIFFERENT MINERALS ETC ETC ETC ETC ..THIS IS INSANE, DONT YOU UNDERSTAND? ITS ABOUT AS POSSIBLE AS EVERY BUSINESS IN LONDON MERGING TO FORM ONE BUSINESS.....merkel admitted last shes running 18 sovereign nations...is that what the EU was created for? to have the german chancellor taking over 18 countries?

[Livia]

this is all just a tip of the iceberg when a megalomaniac like merkel decides to try and take over all of Europe and merge 30 odd ancient countries together with the biggest most ridiculous litigious constitution ever invented...1000S OF YEARS OF DIFFERENT LAWS, DIFFERENT CULTURES, DIFFERENT SKILLS, DIFFERENT RESOURCES, DIFFERENT HERITAGE, DIFFERENT FINANCES, DIFFERENT WEATH, DIFFERENT MINERALS ETC ETC ETC ETC ..THIS IS INSANE, DONT YOU UNDERSTAND? ITS ABOUT AS POSSIBLE AS EVERY BUSINESS IN LONDON MERGING TO FORM ONE BUSINESS.....merkel admitted last shes running 18 sovereign nations...is that what the EU was created for? to have the german chancellor taking over 18 countries?

An idea they've been working on since the 30s, perhaps....?

[bots]

this is all just a tip of the iceberg when a megalomaniac like merkel decides to try and take over all of Europe and merge 30 odd ancient countries together with the biggest most ridiculous litigious constitution ever invented...1000S OF YEARS OF DIFFERENT LAWS, DIFFERENT CULTURES, DIFFERENT SKILLS, DIFFERENT RESOURCES, DIFFERENT HERITAGE, DIFFERENT FINANCES, DIFFERENT WEATH, DIFFERENT MINERALS ETC ETC ETC ETC ..THIS IS INSANE, DONT YOU UNDERSTAND? ITS ABOUT AS POSSIBLE AS EVERY BUSINESS IN LONDON MERGING TO FORM ONE BUSINESS.....merkel admitted last shes running 18 sovereign nations...is that what the EU was created for? to have the german chancellor taking over 18 countries?

its views like this that cause wars and division

[empire]

the eu, is showing its true face, nothing but a bunch of bully boys, they would starve people, just too make sure that country stays in the euro

[Mystic Mock]

the eu, is showing its true face, nothing but a bunch of bully boys, they would starve people, just too make sure that country stays in the euro

How is it bullying when Greece lied about their debts when they joined the EU?

[the truth]

How is it bullying when Greece lied about their debts when they joined the EU?

and whose the idiots who invited them in and Iceland and Portugal etc etc that's right Germany and merkel

[the truth]

its views like this that cause wars and division

its views like yours here that cause wars and division and bankrupt nations like greece:nono:

[bots]

its views like yours here that cause wars and division and bankrupt nations like greece:nono:

:joker:

[the truth]

:joker:

you think its funny to see a nation go bankrupt and on the verge of civil war, shame on you:nono:

[bots]

you think its funny to see a nation go bankrupt and on the verge of civil war, shame on you:nono:

Your response was laughable, so it got the appropriate response from me. My posts do not encourage division in Europe, whereas yours most certainly do. I am not laughing at Greece going bankrupt, and just to put things in perspective, without Germany, Greece would already be bankrupt. Civil war? Greece is no where near a civil war. Completely inaccurate statement.

[Iceman]

Robot!! Check your spelling :nono:

[the truth]

Your response was laughable, so it got the appropriate response from me. My posts do not encourage division in Europe, whereas yours most certainly do. I am not laughing at Greece going bankrupt, and just to put things in perspective, without Germany, Greece would already be bankrupt. Civil war? Greece is no where near a civil war. Completely inaccurate statement.

My posts and many others are far less dangerous than your blind faith in this disastrous European union. the euro sceptics on here are right to question the EU and its 587 page constitution. You have of course not even looked at the constitution and simply shout down everyone who questions the EU and merkel as either crazy or racist. You are the type of person who has brought Europe to its knees, the type of person who ignores the bankruptcy of these ancient European countries, ignores the FACT unemployment has doubled or in the case of Greece trebled under merkels EU rule. you ignore all of these FACTS. why? why do you have such blind faith in this disastrous regime? why are you so please to see these anceitn nations lose their sovereignty? are you pleased we didn't join the euro too or would you like the UK to have joined and gone bust like Greece? you sit there scornfully mocking and ignoring the FACTS around you and show no compassion for these bankrupt nations. do you even realise one main reason labour were slaughtered is because they didn't offer us the people a democratic vote on the EU?