Shooting at South Carolina church/9 deaths reported...

[Ammi]

A shooting has been reported at a historic black church in Charleston in the US state of South Carolina, with multiple casualties feared.

US media said the incident happened on Thursday evening at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church.

Charleston police later tweeted that they were searching for a white male suspect in his 20s after the shooting at 110 Calhoun Street.

Local media reported that a coroner had arrived at the scene.

A meeting was going on at the time of the shooting at about 21:00 local time (01:00 GMT Thursday), US media say.




In a tweet, Charleston police wrote: "Suspect in shooting on Calhoun St is a w/m approx 21 slender small build wearing a grey sweat shirt blue jeans timberland boots clean shaven."

A man was later seen being led away by police officers, but it was unclear whether he was the suspected gunman.

Helicopters were seen hovering above the area.

"I will say that this is an unspeakable and heartbreaking tragedy in this most historic church," Charleston Mayor Joe Riley was quoted as saying by the Post and Courier newspaper.

A group of worshippers was later seen praying near the church.

"We want some real answers now," one of the worshippers was heard saying.

The 19th Century Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church is one of the oldest in the US.

Denmark Vesey - one of the church's founders - was a leader of a failed slave revolt in 1822.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33179019

[arista]

A Mini Isis Event?

[Ammi]

A Mini Isis Event?

..atm it's just described by media as a 'hate crime', Arista...I lost my internet this morning so haven't got time to look for too many links/updates but 9 reported dead atm so I'll change the title and leave you to update any news if that's ok....

http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-respond-shooting-charleston-south-carolina-church/story?id=31845305

[arista]

Yes a Evil Hate Crime, it appears.

[Crimson Dynamo]

9 dead it seems


http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10E8C/production/_83706296_capture.png

[arista]

Yes they are searching for the Crazy Killer

[Niamh.]

awful, RIP to those people :(

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/18/11/article-3129109-29BBF0FD00000578-745_964x406.jpg
The Killer in the middle photo

[Crimson Dynamo]

this wont help the racial tensions over there one bit

[Mokka]

this wont help the racial tensions over there one bit

It's terrible :(

Racially, the US seems to be on a tipping point again. It's not good

[Nedusa]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/18/11/article-3129109-29BBF0FD00000578-745_964x406.jpg
The Killer in the middle photo

The killer is black.......is he not so how is this a hate crime ?

[smudgie]

The killer is black.......is he not so how is this a hate crime ?

They are saying it is a young white man, the photo has me confused:spin:

[Mokka]

that photo does not look like a black man... he is white

[Kizzy]

Why in a church? :(

[arista]

Why in a church? :(


They must be a Special group

[Tom4784]

Awful, these kind of stories are becoming all too common.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why in a church? :(

why not

if you are going to kill people who cares what the building is used for

he may have been abused by a pastor

who knows

[Kazanne]

You know it's bad when you're not even safe in a church,terrible incident.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You know it's bad when you're not even safe in a church,terrible incident.

Worldwide places of worship are very unsafe if you look at the stats

Supermarkets are far safer

[Toy Soldier]

The killer is black.......is he not so how is this a hate crime ?
The man in that photo is quite clearly white, look at his bowl cut ffs.

[arista]

Worldwide places of worship are very unsafe if you look at the stats

Supermarkets are far safer


Yes Like Walmart Stores
as in USA those stores sell you "legal" guns.



America Land Of The Free

[arista]

You know it's bad when you're not even safe in a church,terrible incident.


Most Church's in America are Safe


This is a Special Group.

[arista]

Awful, these kind of stories are becoming all too common.


Its Rare for USA.



So its a one off


They just need to catch him

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/18/13/29BCAAA200000578-3129109-image-m-13_1434629176213.jpg

He is 21 years old
let One Women escape

But he reloaded his weapon
thats when you Rush Him

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3129109/Multiple-people-injured-South-Carolina-church-shooting.html

[smudgie]

The man in that photo is quite clearly white, look at his bowl cut ffs.

Ooooops my poor old eyes, I thought he had a hat on.

Honestly, I still couldn't tell you what colour he is, are we even allowed to say brown?
Colour aside, what an awful tragedy, those poor people.
How could he sit with them for an hour and then gun them down?
So much hate in this world.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/18/15/29BE759B00000578-0-image-a-44_1434637274827.jpg


Dylann Roof , the killer is 21 years old

[MTVN]

Those are the flags of white rule Rhodesia and apartheid era South Africa that he's wearing

[Toy Soldier]

Most likely he's just mentally unhinged and has latched onto a Nazi ideology. It's not necessarily a hate crime per se. I doubt he was driven to kill by hatred or even racism... It's just the excuse that his generalised rage has found as an outlet.

[Toy Soldier]

His rage may be because of that haircut.

D: sorry in advance.

[arista]

Those are the flags of white rule Rhodesia and apartheid era South Africa that he's wearing


Yes



He has now been Captured

Ref :FoxNewsHD Live

[arista]

His rage may be because of that haircut.

D: sorry in advance.


No it goes Deeper

[MTVN]

Good job by the police

[Toy Soldier]

No it goes Deeper
Are you sure?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Probably a psychopath

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

..........................

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Most likely he's just mentally unhinged and has latched onto a Nazi ideology. It's not necessarily a hate crime per se. I doubt he was driven to kill by hatred or even racism... It's just the excuse that his generalised rage has found as an outlet.

..............

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I see they're already playing the mentally ill card. When they're white they're always mentally ill. Even before they caught this man today, even before they knew him, they were already going on about him being mentally ill.

[arista]

Good job by the police


A member of the public
phoned the cops


He gave up

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/18/399894/default/v1/rtx1h5pc-1-1-762x428.jpg

Arrested

Death penalty for him

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I don't need to know that this c8unt was "was overted and adrift" no one with the right mind gives a f8ck. I need to know about the victims more backstory on each one of them would be nice.

Storm front must be loving this. Talking about I should have done this too

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

And ugh why is he walking out in a bullet proof vest? Still probably going to get more forms of privilege as time goes on

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

"You rape our women" nAh they enjoy black dick. You rape them, slice them, cook them, enjoy them with some classical music, peas, potatoes and some wine

[armand.kay]

**** i hope he has many years prison rape and attacks ahead of him

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Wonder if any of those je suis Charlie hypocrites are je suis charleston. Do we get a hypocritical mention and standing ovation at the Emmys or anywhere or..nah?

[Ninastar]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/18/399894/default/v1/rtx1h5pc-1-1-762x428.jpg

Arrested

Death penalty for him

good. it's a shame he didn't get shot during the attack tbh. absolute scum of the earth. if that makes me a bad person, i dont give a damn

[Samuel.]

I see they're already playing the mentally ill card. When they're white they're always mentally ill. Even before they caught this man today, even before they knew him, they were already going on about him being mentally ill.

Well yeah I think it's a fair assumption that someone committing a massacre has mental issues...

[Samuel.]

I don't need to know that this c8unt was "was overted and adrift" no one with the right mind gives a f8ck. I need to know about the victims more backstory on each one of them would be nice.

Storm front must be loving this. Talking about I should have done this too

Actually, finding the cause is absolutely important to attempting to prevent these horrific events from happening.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/18/399911/default/v1/metro-1-720x960.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/18/399915/default/v2/guardian-1-720x960.jpg

[Ammi]

..I agree with CeeCee in that so often with these tings, most if not all of the media focus is on the killer's life and not their victims...that must also add to the pain of the victim's families as well and maybe make what is already heart-breaking even harder for them...so for them in this case and in general when something like this becomes a 'reality'...'understanding' will not change anything and will probably not 'ease'...



..I agree also Samuel, that there must be mental illnesses with things like this and some understanding is important as well..but I also sadly think that with these 'extremes'...that understanding is unlikely to change or prevent....because the reason they do happen is that the extremities of them and troubled mind could never have been detected or 'pieced together' until the 'hindsight' thing happens...if he spends his whole life in prison and is tried to be 'understood' by psychologists through that time...I doubt there will be much gained in the prevention of something similar....

[arista]

Yes they want to know about the Evil Killer
he let one black women go .

[Crimson Dynamo]

**** i hope he has many years prison rape and attacks ahead of him

No if that state does sadly not have the death pen then he will be protected and lauded by the Ayran Brotherhood

[Toy Soldier]

No if that state does sadly not have the death pen then he will be protected and lauded by the Ayran Brotherhood

Until he befriends a black inmate whilst working in the laundry room, and over the years of his incarceration they develop a strong bond that causes him to see the horrible errors in who he was before. Being truly repentant, he'll be released, only to find out that - tragically - his previously intelligent and sensitive younger brother has been gripped by the hatred and intolerance that once infected his heart.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

"I cannot believe how hard people are working to discount it"..I know bae...I know

SaW47WxcwPQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=228&v=SaW47WxcwPQ

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Actually, finding the cause is absolutely important to attempting to prevent these horrific events from happening.

He's wearing the cause and pretty much recited his reason for doing what he did. End of story.

Racism. End of.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Well yeah I think it's a fair assumption that someone committing a massacre has mental issues...

Then so do all muslims you all so quickly call terrorist. Every race is a terrorist except when white people do it there MUST be some mental issues there. Sigh supremacy is still so real.

White people don't have some sort of special brain. If A muslim can be called just pure evil for commiting a disgusting act, then so can white people. Evil is evil. I know people with mental illness but none of them go on a rampage.

He sat with them for an hour before acting. Cold and calculated. Enough with the mental illness bull. There's a lot of them out there they're not all mentally ill.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"I cannot believe how hard people are working to discount it"..I know bae...I know

SaW47WxcwPQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=228&v=SaW47WxcwPQ

Noble words John but no solutions

Its easy to sit and identify problems and take the check


Lets see him do a show where he tells us what needs to be done and how he is going to do it...


:idc:

[Samuel.]

Then so do all muslims you all so quickly call terrorist. Every race is a terrorist except when white people do it there MUST be some mental issues there. Sigh supremacy is still so real.

White people don't have some sort of special brain. If A muslim can be called just pure evil for commiting a disgusting act, then so can white people. Evil is evil. I know people with mental illness but none of them go on a rampage.

He sat with them for an hour before acting. Cold and calculated. Enough with the mental illness bull. There's a lot of them out there they're not all mentally ill.

You all

What a ridiculous statement. I have never expressed those opinions.

You're looking at it the wrong way. If it is underlying racism, then it's muslims and black people that are being painted wrong in cases of criminal activity, not vice versa.

I know people without mental illness but none of them go on a rampage either. What's your point?

Something has clearly gone wrong somewhere, and simply labelling him as evil to explain it is only for convenience and a way of justifying his actions without having to believe that anybody and everybody could be capable of doing the exact same - that is something society is in denial about and it does no good in preventing these events from happening. In fact the further you push people out, the more likely they are to act out.

"Evil" really has no meaning. Are ISIS evil? Willing to bet the vast majority think they're doing the right thing, they certainly don't think of themselves as evil quite the opposite. It's a matter of perspective.

[armand.kay]

I see they're already playing the mentally ill card. When they're white they're always mentally ill. Even before they caught this man today, even before they knew him, they were already going on about him being mentally ill.
This :rolleyes:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Then so do all muslims you all so quickly call terrorist. Every race is a terrorist except when white people do it there MUST be some mental issues there. Sigh supremacy is still so real.

White people don't have some sort of special brain. If A muslim can be called just pure evil for commiting a disgusting act, then so can white people. Evil is evil. I know people with mental illness but none of them go on a rampage.

He sat with them for an hour before acting. Cold and calculated. Enough with the mental illness bull. There's a lot of them out there they're not all mentally ill.

"Then so do all muslims you all so quickly call terrorist."


er what?

We call terrorists the ones who behead, burn and blow up people

rightly so, but who are we calling that are not?

[arista]

"I cannot believe how hard people are working to discount it"..I know bae...I know

SaW47WxcwPQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=228&v=SaW47WxcwPQ


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/06/19/jon-stewarts-charleston-shooting-america-guns_n_7618880.html?1434701209
Video NOT Blocked on this above private copy
Bang On Right John

[arista]

The Racist Killer
wants to Start a War of White Killing Blacks

His mates confirmed that.

Ref : CNN America & FoxNewsHD

[MTVN]

I do think there's a point to be made that when a white person commits ideological murder then it is all too easily dismissed as just mental illness - it's often happened whether it's this guy, Anders Breivik, David Copeland, Timothy McVeigh etc. Not many people would say that the Charlie Hebdo shooting was not a hate crime or not a terrorist attack because the killers were simply mentally ill people. Just as it is necessary to acknowledge the ideological element behind Islamic extremism so it is important to acknowledge this shooter's motivations. There is a broader conversation to be had here over the prevalence of racism and white supremacism. It absolutely is a hate crime.

[Niamh.]

Obama made a great speech about this and the need to change gun laws in the states. Pity he's not listened to

[MTVN]

^ I was surprised at how frank Obama was actually, American politicians would normally shy away from saying what he said. I suppose he can afford to be now his presidency is coming to an end. I think I saw somewhere that it was about the 14th time Obama has had to address the nation after a mass shooting. 14 times in 7 years.

[Niamh.]

^ I was surprised at how frank Obama was actually, American politicians would normally shy away from saying what he said. I suppose he can afford to be now his presidency is coming to an end. I think I saw somewhere that it was about the 14th time Obama has to address the nation regarding a mass shooting. 14 times in 7 years.

Wow that is shocking. It's a disgrace really that the laws aren't tightened up. Did I hear that this guy had gotten that gun as a birthday present just recently? Good on Obama though

[MTVN]

Wow that is shocking. It's a disgrace really that the laws aren't tightened up. Did I hear that this guy had gotten that gun as a birthday present just recently? Good on Obama though

Yeah a present from his Dad I think :/

[Mokka]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/06/19/jon-stewarts-charleston-shooting-america-guns_n_7618880.html?1434701209
Video NOT Blocked on this above private copy
Bang On Right John

Thank you for that link arista... What Jon said mirrors my sentiments to a T.... but I do have to say, that I am surprised you agree with him arista, because of many of your posts on here and threads you start. The inbreed racial hatred in the south, and in many other pockets of the US, that has never gone away has deep seeded routes in their police departments, and yet just because they are white men wearing badges, I have see you defend them time and time again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

^ I was surprised at how frank Obama was actually, American politicians would normally shy away from saying what he said. I suppose he can afford to be now his presidency is coming to an end. I think I saw somewhere that it was about the 14th time Obama has had to address the nation after a mass shooting. 14 times in 7 years.

He looked truly pissed off but resigned to the fact he can do zilch about it

[arista]

Thank you for that link arista... What Jon said mirrors my sentiments to a T.... but I do have to say, that I am surprised you agree with him arista, because of many of your posts on here and threads you start. The inbreed racial hatred in the south, and in many other pockets of the US, that has never gone away has deep seeded routes in their police departments, and yet just because they are white men wearing badges, I have see you defend them time and time again.


I follow him alot.
John talks Great Sense

Of course Viacom has stopped the UK having his show
which made me very angry

[Livia]

No if that state does sadly not have the death pen then he will be protected and lauded by the Ayran Brotherhood

South Carolina has the death penalty, fortunately.

This is what happens when you have an archaic 'right to bear arms'. Every murderous, deranged psycho has the right to own a lethal weapon.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

"Then so do all muslims you all so quickly call terrorist."


er what?

We call terrorists the ones who behead, burn and blow up people

rightly so, but who are we calling that are not?

James Eagan Holmes is just one example of a man that was called anything but a terrorist.

[arista]

South Carolina has the death penalty, fortunately.

This is what happens when you have an archaic 'right to bear arms'. Every murderous, deranged psycho has the right to own a lethal weapon.


yes Kill Him
is the Best

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

You all

What a ridiculous statement. I have never expressed those opinions.

You're looking at it the wrong way. If it is underlying racism, then it's muslims and black people that are being painted wrong in cases of criminal activity, not vice versa.

I know people without mental illness but none of them go on a rampage either. What's your point?

Something has clearly gone wrong somewhere, and simply labelling him as evil to explain it is only for convenience and a way of justifying his actions without having to believe that anybody and everybody could be capable of doing the exact same - that is something society is in denial about and it does no good in preventing these events from happening. In fact the further you push people out, the more likely they are to act out.

"Evil" really has no meaning. Are ISIS evil? Willing to bet the vast majority think they're doing the right thing, they certainly don't think of themselves as evil quite the opposite. It's a matter of perspective.



That that is the reasoning they work hard to attach to white male terrorists.

"Something has clearly gone wrong somewhere, " Just listen to what he has said and what people that know him have said about his views on white and blacks and there lies the answer. He probably read several past stories on lynching blacks for inspiration.

""Evil" really has no meaning. Are ISIS evil? " yes!

[Crimson Dynamo]

James Eagan Holmes is just one example of a man that was called anything but a terrorist.

he was a mass murderer with no cause but his own. Do you understand the difference between lone mass murderers and terrorists?

:shrug:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

he was a mass murderer with no cause but his own. Do you understand the difference between lone mass murderers and terrorists?

:shrug:



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/19/american-mass-shootings-terrorism-racism


Why don't Americans call mass shootings 'terrorism'? Racism

The refrain of denial – the urge to define white people’s terrorist acts as anything but – is an effort to protect the idea that you can be a racist and not kill people


When tragedies happen, it’s natural for people to come together in the spirit of protecting each other. So after the massacre at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, people responded in an effort to make sense of seemingly nonsensical violence – to provide comfort in the midst of confusion.

But for some people, their attempt to make sense of violence was more about rejecting the blatantly obvious - that the shooter was a racist intent on perpetrating an act of terrorism - than it was to comfort a community in pain.

Despite the fact that Charleston Police Chief Greg Mullen said early on that “this is a hate crime” and that a witness reported that suspect Dylann Roof said to the black people he killed, “you rape our women and are taking over our country”, conservative columnist AJ Delgado maintained that the “odds would favor [the crime] NOT being racial”, Republican presidential candidate Lindsey Graham called him a “whacked-out kid” and suggested he was “looking for Christians to kill them, and USA Today referred to him as a “lone wolf”. The Daily Beast described the killer – a man who reportedly sat with a bible study group for an hour before he started to kill people – as “quiet and soft spoken”, averring that he had black friends on Facebook, even as his nine victims remained unnamed and uncelebrated.


What happened at the Charleston, South Carolina, church shooting?
Read more
The excuses to call a white, male mass-killer anything but “a terrorist” are familiar – they’re part of a refrain repeated over and over again when a horrific crime intended to terrify a group of people is committed by a white man. It’s a refrain of denial. (The same denial happened when Elliot Rodger penned a misogynist manifesto before his killing spree: He’s not sexist, he’s just crazy!)

But the question, especially for white people who engage in the excuse-making, is: why are you so intent on defining situations like those in Charleston as not-terrorism? Why are you so invested in the idea that the crime was not one of hatred?

A white man apparently planned and allegedly carried out a terrorist act against a historic black church and its members. He used racist language while doing so, and has been pictured wearing a jacket covered in racist, white supremacist patches. We all know what these things mean; we know what the motivation for this massacre was. So how could anyone with sense see all of these things and still maintain that race wasn’t necessarily a factor, and terror wasn’t the intent?

It’s difficult to imagine anything else but that you are protecting the idea that you can be racist and not kill people. While it may be true that not all virulent racists are mass murderers, defending the public image of racists in the wake of a massacre devalues the lives taken.

And when you bend over backwards to make sure that white men who commit racist violence can maintain their humanity at the expense of the full measure of justice for their victims, we send a clear message about who is worth protecting and who isn’t.

Even though right wing domestic terror is as big a threat to the nation as terror from abroad, we’ll likely continue to widely hear Roof described as “crazy” or a “lone wolf”. What we won’t hear as broadly is how violence against people of color – especially, as my colleague Rebecca Carroll so brilliantly wrote, violence in the protection of white womanhood – is part of the United States’ historical legacy, that it is systematic, that it is organized, and that is has yet to end. Violence against people of color is only as “crazy” as America is and has been.

.......................

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/6/19/400105/default/v3/cegrab-20150619-192017-0-1-762x428.jpg
Live on all news Channels

The Racist Killer is on a Video Link
as many will try to kill him

[arista]

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/Flags/rebel-flag.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

From Ch4HDNews
Many Blacks are now demanding
every Confederate Flag to be taken down


Also a Pro Gun Man
said if they were armed
they would still be Alive today


I have now made a thread on this topic

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

^^Take them down. It is nothing but a reminder that such acts are still condoned amongst many.


http://i.imgur.com/w3ZdB4q.jpg

Ugh it is heartbreaking to hear the victims families saying they forgive IT.

[arista]

Yes Well said Bill.

[Samuel.]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3131858/Charleston-killer-Dylann-Roof-grew-fractured-home-violent-father-beat-stepmother-hired-private-detective-follow-split-claims-court-papers.html

Franklin Bennett Roof, often called Benn, who bought his son the gun which he used for the massacre, subjected Paige to a ‘pattern of control and mental manipulation’ that ended with a vicious assault, court files reveal.

Franklin is said to have shredded Paige’s self esteem during their 10-year marriage and kept her in a virtual prison by calling her several times a day and demanding to know what she was doing.

Hastings said that Franklin was ‘manipulative’ and that once in January 2009 he came round and was ‘pounding on the front door and yelling in the extreme’.

As the divorce was finalized in 2009 Dylan’s last chance of a stable family life disappeared, meaning that at the age of 15 his life began to go off the rails.

His main anchor in life was a father who was away travelling for four days each week with his construction company.

Dylann began to skip classes, did not finish high school and became unemployed, living ‘on and off’ with his father while he spent his days doing drugs and playing video games.

Hastings wrote that Dylann stayed with Paige and Franklin far more often than with his own mother, who was supposed to have him every other weekend.


The obvious influence of his father was undoubtedly a factor, if not the factor, to where he ended up.

So many of these stories lead back to terrible upbringings.

[Niamh.]

^^Take them down. It is nothing but a reminder that such acts are still condoned amongst many.


http://i.imgur.com/w3ZdB4q.jpg

Ugh it is heartbreaking to hear the victims families saying they forgive IT.


Such a terrible thing to happen and I can imagine how personal it must feel to you and how angry you must feel as a black person :hug:

[Ammi]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3131858/Charleston-killer-Dylann-Roof-grew-fractured-home-violent-father-beat-stepmother-hired-private-detective-follow-split-claims-court-papers.html








The obvious influence of his father was undoubtedly a factor, if not the factor, to where he ended up.

So many of these stories lead back to terrible upbringings.


..what CeeCee is saying though Samuel is that he was 'wearing his cause' and if a Muslim was wearing their cause for instance in such a comparable massacre, then where would a 'background' be looked into or reported by the media in a similar way..they would in fact by the media be immediately be condemned as 'evil' and nothing more or nothing less/dehumanising them...but here we have all of the interest into the 'human interest' of him...what 'made him tick' type thing, what is his background/family dynamics/how did this happen and come to this...and those are really valid points that she's making ...because 'white', whether it be 'white who do bad things' or not can't really ever truly understand that but that's not because it doesn't exist but I think more because people don't want to believe that it exists...and I personally think it's existing in this case because the media whether it's intentional or not are more or less 'dehumanising' the victims to an extent by delving so much to his background and mental health and focusing on that to report while very little about the victims 'stories'...


..and although I do agree that in all cases such as this there should be some 'understanding' and don't agree with people being dismissed as just 'evil'..it's not really his upbringing that is a factor so much as his own coping skills etc in his life because the greater number of people who sadly have these 'stories' don't do tings like this...so yeah, mental illness of course but then there's nature V nurture as well and so many other things that will possibly never be understood...and it's those very complex things with the human mind that I think that no matter how much 'understanding', it's so unlikely that many things would actually be prevented from happening because the human mind really is so complicated and beyond even the reach of all of the psychologists....

[GypsyGoth]

http://i.imgur.com/iivotVH.jpg

He should have shot whoever gave him that haircut.

[Toy Soldier]

http://i.imgur.com/iivotVH.jpg

He should have shot whoever gave him that haircut.
If ever there was a hate crime...

Though I started the haircut jokes way back on page one! Keep up!

[arista]

http://i.imgur.com/iivotVH.jpg

He should have shot whoever gave him that haircut.



He does not care
his mission was done

Next Electric Chair for him
his Hair will the Rise

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

"
EXCLUSIVE: Charleston 'killer' Dylann Roof grew up in a fractured home where his 'violent' father beat his stepmother and hired a private detective to follow her when they split, she claims in court papers


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3131858/Charleston-killer-Dylann-Roof-grew-fractured-home-violent-father-beat-stepmother-hired-private-detective-follow-split-claims-court-papers.html"

Cool story he should have killed his violent stepfather then. Are we going to hear the story where he did drugs and was violent to his girlfriend or are we going to keep working hard to show his "fractured home" is the reason why he went to kill black people?:shrug:

"Outrage as Charleston judge tells relatives of murdered churchgoers that the killer's family are VICTIMS"

Not surprised he made a statement calling black people nigg8rs.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3131858/Charleston-killer-Dylann-Roof-grew-fractured-home-violent-father-beat-stepmother-hired-private-detective-follow-split-claims-court-papers.html








The obvious influence of his father was undoubtedly a factor, if not the factor, to where he ended up.

So many of these stories lead back to terrible upbringings.

Isn't that so bloody convenient?! All these black people that get shot also come from terrible upbringing but do we hear this or do we hear about how they stole a cigarette? Do we hear about what they achieved in school? Nope.
The media is biased!
White criminal/victim-quick let's dig up and see what we can find to show his broken home is the reason for his mass murdering gene.

Black criminal/victim-quick let's dig up and show he was a thug and deserved it.


Anyways, don't be a prick. If anything a violent father should have made him violent towards women, as it would be the most common pattern, not develop a massive hatred towards black people.

Imo, no relation at all. His father was violent, cool story, so were a lot of people's fathers. Next.

[Kizzy]

It does seem like they are clutching at straws to find an excuse for this... if he was so traumatised by his dad why didn't he kill him and not all these innocents?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

..what CeeCee is saying though Samuel is that he was 'wearing his cause' and if a Muslim was wearing their cause for instance in such a comparable massacre, then where would a 'background' be looked into or reported by the media in a similar way..they would in fact by the media be immediately be condemned as 'evil' and nothing more or nothing less/dehumanising them...but here we have all of the interest into the 'human interest' of him...what 'made him tick' type thing, what is his background/family dynamics/how did this happen and come to this...and those are really valid points that she's making ...because 'white', whether it be 'white who do bad things' or not can't really ever truly understand that but that's not because it doesn't exist but I think more because people don't want to believe that it exists...and I personally think it's existing in this case because the media whether it's intentional or not are more or less 'dehumanising' the victims to an extent by delving so much to his background and mental health and focusing on that to report while very little about the victims 'stories'...


..and although I do agree that in all cases such as this there should be some 'understanding' and don't agree with people being dismissed as just 'evil'..it's not really his upbringing that is a factor so much as his own coping skills etc in his life because the greater number of people who sadly have these 'stories' don't do tings like this...so yeah, mental illness of course but then there's nature V nurture as well and so many other things that will possibly never be understood...and it's those very complex things with the human mind that I think that no matter how much 'understanding', it's so unlikely that many things would actually be prevented from happening because the human mind really is so complicated and beyond even the reach of all of the psychologists....

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

[Crimson Dynamo]

You will always get a back story on any killer, its the norm.

[Kizzy]

Yes and in some cases it fits, they can't just make this one fit.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://i.imgur.com/qreVjmY.jpg

:unsure:

[Kizzy]

Hey if O reilly can see it for what it is then that's something :/

[arista]

Hey if O reilly can see it for what it is then that's something :/


Yes he does get some things right.

[arista]

[Charleston killer Dylann Roof grew up in a
fractured home where his 'violent' father beat his stepmother
and hired a private detective
to follow her when they split, she claims in court papers]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3131858/Charleston-killer-Dylann-Roof-grew-fractured-home-violent-father-beat-stepmother-hired-private-detective-follow-split-claims-court-papers.html#ixzz3dbj2Y334

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/19/20/29C9ECA000000578-3131858-FIRST_PICTURE_Franklin_Bennett_Roof_52_father_of_D ylann_Roof_is_-m-56_1434741442466.jpg
The Evil Dad of the killer
who beats women up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The father seems nice

:umm2:

[smudgie]

Pure racist hate crime, however they dress if up.
Forget all the excuses they try throwing up, the murderer has admitted why he did it, can't get any simpler than that really.

As to the stepfather beating the mother as an excuse..what a load of bollox, mine beat my mother on a regular basis for years and I would like to think I am somewhere near normal without such hatred in my heart.

[arista]

The father seems nice

:umm2:


Unless you are woman

[arista]

Pure racist hate crime, however they dress if up.
Forget all the excuses they try throwing up, the murderer has admitted why he did it, can't get any simpler than that really.

As to the stepfather beating the mother as an excuse..what a load of bollox, mine beat my mother on a regular basis for years and I would like to think I am somewhere near normal without such hatred in my heart.


Yes I would Speed up the Electric Chair
Fry Him Dead


American Justice

[Toy Soldier]

Pure racist hate crime, however they dress if up.
Forget all the excuses they try throwing up, the murderer has admitted why he did it, can't get any simpler than that really.

As to the stepfather beating the mother as an excuse..what a load of bollox, mine beat my mother on a regular basis for years and I would like to think I am somewhere near normal without such hatred in my heart.
A lot of children of alcoholics develop alcohol problems themselves. My mother was an alcoholic yet I have no issues with alcohol. I can still accept that parental alcoholism can have a knock on effect on offspring, though. Just because it doesn't always happen doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

This guy is clearly very messed up. That's not an excuse. He's dangerous and did something horrendous; lock him up and throw away the key as far as I'm concerned. He's almost certainly not redeemable in any way. The fact that he is dangerous and not fit to be around other human beings and should be locked away forever does not change the fact that it's very likely he has a seriously disturbed past and resulting psychological issues. The vast majority of criminals do :shrug:. It doesn't excuse their actions but it goes some way to explaining them, and that IS important, because it's the only way steps can be taken to try to stop other kids falling through the same cracks and becoming pariahs like this guy.

[Toy Soldier]

Speaking of mental issues... Who are these people trying to claim that the guy isn't white? It's practically satire!

"You know what? He doesn't look like a human to me. I'm pretty sure he's a Wolf or maybe some sort of deformed humanoid parakeet created in a lab. So this was actually an animal attack not murder. Someone call animal control."

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/3b241c4cb3ecdb60e4d66f18057b73598b8067e6.jpg

[arista]

Speaking of mental issues... Who are these people trying to claim that the guy isn't white? It's practically satire!

"You know what? He doesn't look like a human to me. I'm pretty sure he's a Wolf or maybe some sort of deformed humanoid parakeet created in a lab. So this was actually an animal attack not murder. Someone call animal control."

But the was a Early Photo head down - mop of hair etc.

[Toy Soldier]

But the was a Early Photo head down - mop of hair etc.
Yeah, I guess black people are famous for their mops of hair... Such straight, many flop.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/20/17/29CF680100000578-0-image-a-52_1434816555865.jpg

Electric Chair for you Evil Killer

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://i.imgur.com/h9I9upj.jpg

white privilege-dude got Burger king.

[empire]

there is one thing that the media don't dare say, is that the blacks and the whites hate each other in the us, and there has been a build up of this hatred for some time, and it will never go away, because they despise each other, and have for decades,

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://i.imgur.com/dEhMMEW.jpg

:(

[arista]

Yes has the Evil Killer started a Battle?

[arista]

there is one thing that the media don't dare say, is that the blacks and the whites hate each other in the us, and there has been a build up of this hatred for some time, and it will never go away, because they despise each other, and have for decades,


For Sure
in the Southern States

[empire]

intruth the FBI and the intelligence agencies, knew that he was going to do it, but did not want to stop him, this has happened before, with the columbine massacre, oklahoma bombing, families where told to keep their mouths shut, the us government covered up the real evidence, the victims families will never know the real truth about why he was not stopped,

[arista]

intruth the FBI and the intelligence agencies, knew that he was going to do it, but did not want to stop him, this has happened before, with the columbine massacre, oklahoma bombing, families where told to keep their mouths shut, the us government covered up the real evidence, the victims families will never know the real truth about why he was not stopped,


No they did not know 100%
he was going to Kill.