Public hate towards Helen unjust.

[BigBuk]

Seriously don't get the hate towards Helen, gets called "nasty" "a bully" "vile," etc. by the the public when in reality she isn't that bad, all she does is speak her mind, hasn't "bullied" anybody this year or last year for that matter. She has arguments with people who can defend themselves, unlike the majority of the HMs who were ganging up on Simon over minor stuff. Brian and Jack (who was the worst for having a go at Simon and slagging him off) are pathetic but people won't notice it, take shots at people they know the public dislike the first chance they get just to become more popular. Jack is the worst HM in the C5 BB series, didn't think anyone would top off the twins "Jack and Joe" or whatever they were called but he's managed it for me, boring kid that chats ****, slags off people whenever he gets the chance but constantly moans about two faced people, despise him.

[Semtex]

The last time I looked at that much crap I was trying to pick it up in a bag in the middle of a park!

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Seriously don't get the hate towards Helen, gets called "nasty" "a bully" "vile," etc. by the the public when in reality she isn't that bad, all she does is speak her mind, hasn't "bullied" anybody this year or last year for that matter. She has arguments with people who can defend themselves, unlike the majority of the HMs who were ganging up on Simon over minor stuff. Brian and Jack (who was the worst for having a go at Simon and slagging him off) are pathetic but people won't notice it, take shots at people they know the public dislike the first chance they get just to become more popular. Jack is the worst HM in the C5 BB series, didn't think anyone would top off the twins "Jack and Joe" or whatever they were called but he's managed it for me, boring kid that chats ****, slags off people whenever he gets the chance but constantly moans about two faced people, despise him.
Absolutely 100% agree with you about Jack, as far as Helen goes, I really didn't like her last year, but this week she's not bothered me much, I think the differce is(this imo only) she has got nothing to prove this year, were as last year she was trying to be controversial as possible ....as I say that's my opinion.

[GypsyGoth]

Helen is a great housemate but kinda a horrible person. She's like a pantomime villain and a show like BB needs one. And even though she is really intimidating and scary, there is something more honest the way she will tell you to your face that she dislikes you. So I can see why she would be considered a better housemate to Jack in that regard.

As to why the public hate Helen, I'm not sure that they do, she was voted winner of the last BB.

[Pete.]

Did you watch BB15?

[BigBuk]

The last time I looked at that much crap I was trying to pick it up in a bag in the middle of a park!

Care to elaborate on this?

[Ellen]

Some like her some dont.
I dont think she is a bad person, she says it as she see's it whether she is right or wrong.

[BigBuk]

Absolutely 100% agree with you about Jack, as far as Helen goes, I really didn't like her last year, but this week she's not bothered me much, I think the differce is(this imo only) she has got nothing to prove this year, were as last year she was trying to be controversial as possible ....as I say that's my opinion.

I genuinely didn't even think she was bad last year, may seem worse as most other HMs are boring. I'm glad other people see through Jack, cannot stand him.

[Pete.]

I genuinely didn't even think she was bad last year, may seem worse as most other HMs are boring. I'm glad other people see through Jack, cannot stand him.
She was vile last year

[BigBuk]

Helen is a great housemate but kinda a horrible person. She's like a pantomime villain and a show like BB needs one. And even though she is really intimidating and scary, there is something more honest the way she will tell you to your face that she dislikes you. So I can see why she would be considered a better housemate to Jack in that regard.

As to why the public hate Helen, I'm not sure that they do, she was voted winner of the last BB.

I don't see how she's a horrible person, to me she seems like a nice person if you're okay with her, saying that I wouldn't like to be on the wrong side of her but I still wouldn't class her as horrible imo. I'm very different to her but I agree with what she thinks about other HMs when she's talking as I get where she is coming from.

[BigBuk]

Did you watch BB15?

Yes, I did. She wasn't as bad as people made out, had arguments with Ashleigh who was gave it back, never once had a go at people who couldn't defend themselves.

[Withano]

She's clearly not a nice person though

[Kazanne]

Seriously don't get the hate towards Helen, gets called "nasty" "a bully" "vile," etc. by the the public when in reality she isn't that bad, all she does is speak her mind, hasn't "bullied" anybody this year or last year for that matter. She has arguments with people who can defend themselves, unlike the majority of the HMs who were ganging up on Simon over minor stuff. Brian and Jack (who was the worst for having a go at Simon and slagging him off) are pathetic but people won't notice it, take shots at people they know the public dislike the first chance they get just to become more popular. Jack is the worst HM in the C5 BB series, didn't think anyone would top off the twins "Jack and Joe" or whatever they were called but he's managed it for me, boring kid that chats ****, slags off people whenever he gets the chance but constantly moans about two faced people, despise him.

:clap1::clap1: well done for not jumping on that hate train,she's not perfect but who is?

[BigBuk]

She's clearly not a nice person though

Why because she says stuff to your face instead of behind your back? If she was two faced she wouldn't get anywhere near the hate she does and that's a fact.

[Semtex]

Care to elaborate on this?

She's a steaming bitch who craps all over the house!

Ok?

[BigBuk]

:clap1::clap1: well done for not jumping on that hate train,she's not perfect but who is?

Exactly, the way people react about her you'd think she was in ISIS or something, over exaggerating.

[Kazanne]

She's a steaming dog who is full of ****!

Ok?

The irony

[Semtex]

Pretty pathetic reply in all honesty.

It may be, but it's sites like this which have ****ed big brother by making her a "legend"

[BigBuk]

She's a steaming dog who craps all over the house!

Ok?

Very mature. Don't have anything of significant value to add why she's apparently so bad so you just chat rubbish.

[Kazanne]

Exactly, the way people react about her you'd think she was in ISIS or something, over exaggerating.

So much so it's funny,there's a fine line between love and hate,maybe that's it:hehe:

[Withano]

Why because she says stuff to your face instead of behind your back? If she was two faced she wouldn't get anywhere near the hate she does and that's a fact.

So? That doesn't make her nice. She's not nice. All of her opinions which she insists on harping out 24/7 are hate-fuelled and cruel. You must have met some real ***** in your life if you think she shows any empathy, kindness or social interaction skills

[Kazanne]

It may be, but it's sites like this which have ****ed big brother by making her a "legend"

Eh?:shrug:

[Kazanne]

So? That doesn't make her nice. She's not nice. All of her opinions which she insists on harping out 24/7 are hate-fuelled and cruel. You must have met some real ***** in your life if you think she shows any empathy, kindness or social interaction skills

And you must be pretty close minded and blinkered never to have seen Helens softer side,why is it hatefilled and cruel to tell the truth? Her delivery is sometimes harsh,but the content true.

[BigBuk]

So? That doesn't make her nice. She's not nice. All of her opinions which she insists on harping out 24/7 are hate-fuelled and cruel. You must have met some real ***** in your life if you think she shows any empathy, kindness or social interaction skills

She's showed empathy towards the HMs since she's went in, she's also interacted with them, the majority of the highlights you'll see of Helen is her arguing, or talking about arguments when it's showing on BB, they're not going to show her talking about every day topics when she offers so much more in entertainment value, you'll see other HMs get shown a few times doing that as they offer nothing more and are complete bores.

[BigBuk]

And you must be pretty close minded and blinkered never to have seen Helens softer side,why is it hatefilled and cruel to tell the truth? Her delivery is sometimes harsh,but the content true.

100% this.

[Withano]

And you must be pretty close minded and blinkered never to have seen Helens softer side,why is it hatefilled and cruel to tell the truth? Her delivery is sometimes harsh,but the content true.

Murderers show a soft side, that doesn't make them "nice" which if you look back, this is the only point I have made. She's not a nice girl and this isn't an uncommon opinion, as you said yourself, her delivery is sometimes harsh.. Unlike when nice people interact..

[Withano]

She's showed empathy towards the HMs since she's went in, she's also interacted with them, the majority of the highlights you'll see of Helen is her arguing, or talking about arguments when it's showing on BB, they're not going to show her talking about every day topics when she offers so much more in entertainment value, you'll see other HMs get shown a few times doing that as they offer nothing more and are complete bores.

90% of the world do not find arguing entertaining, clearly you disagree, I think that's where are differences lie.

[Beso]

Seriously don't get the hate towards Helen, gets called "nasty" "a bully" "vile," etc. by the the public when in reality she isn't that bad, all she does is speak her mind, hasn't "bullied" anybody this year or last year for that matter. She has arguments with people who can defend themselves, unlike the majority of the HMs who were ganging up on Simon over minor stuff. Brian and Jack (who was the worst for having a go at Simon and slagging him off) are pathetic but people won't notice it, take shots at people they know the public dislike the first chance they get just to become more popular. Jack is the worst HM in the C5 BB series, didn't think anyone would top off the twins "Jack and Joe" or whatever they were called but he's managed it for me, boring kid that chats ****, slags off people whenever he gets the chance but constantly moans about two faced people, despise him.



How far off the mark can one post get.

[bots]

Helen does the clear the air thing with others, but only on her own terms, after she has previously torn them apart. She can be considered a good house mate if conflict is what gives enjoyment. I supported Helen last year against Ashleigh as I felt she was just as bad if not worse, but I would rather have Brian as a house mate any day of the week than Helen.

This years BB is not for those seeking long term satisfaction from the series as a whole. Its for short, sharp gratification if that is your particular thing.


Sick of Helen, sick of Nikki, sick of Marc. If the BB producers engineer a Marc win this year, it will be the last BB I watch

[BigBuk]

90% of the world do not find arguing entertaining, clearly you disagree, I think that's where are differences lie.

She doesn't just argue, she can have a laugh too. Regardless, I'd rather watch people getting mad arguing than talking about **** I don't find interesting, arguments are more entertaining than watching a bunch of morons with the IQ of my dog trying to have a discussion.

[Beso]

And you must be pretty close minded and blinkered never to have seen Helens softer side,why is it hatefilled and cruel to tell the truth? Her delivery is sometimes harsh,but the content true.

the content true...omg.

she's lied through her bucked teeth since she got in there..

Please also if she is always right, p[lease tell me why jack is a fat ****?

[BigBuk]

the content true...omg.

she's lied through her bucked teeth since she got in there..

Please also if she is always right, p[lease tell me why jack is a fat ****?

So you're saying Jack isn't fat then?

[Withano]

Regardless, I'd rather watch people getting mad arguing than talking about **** I don't find interesting, arguments are more entertaining than watching a bunch of morons with the IQ of my dog trying to have a discussion.

Don't you think that this post alone answers your own question. You asked why people disliked Helen but you have this strange opinion on what entertainment is.. Consider a world where 90% of the world disagree with everything you just said here and you'll have your answer.

[BigBuk]

Helen does the clear the air thing with others, but only on her own terms, after she has previously torn them apart. She can be considered a good house mate if conflict is what gives enjoyment. I supported Helen last year against Ashleigh as I felt she was just as bad if not worse, but I would rather have Brian as a house mate any day of the week than Helen.

This years BB is not for those seeking long term satisfaction from the series as a whole. Its for short, sharp gratification if that is your particular thing.


Sick of Helen, sick of Nikki, sick of Marc. If the BB producers engineer a Marc win this year, it will be the last BB I watch

You'd rather have Brian? A man that puts on a facade of being an idiot so people will find him funny because he can't be his true self, a man who at the first chance takes shots at people he knows the public dislike so he's more popular?

[BigBuk]

Don't you think that this post alone answers your own question. You asked why people disliked Helen but you have this strange opinion on what entertainment is.. Consider a world where 90% of the world disagree with everything you just said here and you'll have your answer.

Where do you get these percentages from? Do you just pluck up 90% for every occasion?

[TheManWhoLaughs]

all she does is speak her mind

Her mind is a cesspool of misogyny and hatred for anyone who doesn't worship her tho. It is not the sort of thing that should have a voice.

I wouldn't mind her being so awful if she wasn't so predictable.

[Withano]

Where do you get these percentages from? Do you just pluck up 90% for every occasion?

I've took extensive measures to bring these statistics to you from very reliable sources. You don't even know.

[BigBuk]

I've took extensive measures to bring these statistics to you from very reliable sources. You don't even know.

You seem trustworthy, I believe you.

[Withano]

You'd rather have Brian? A man that puts on a facade of being an idiot so people will find him funny because he can't be his true self, a man who at the first chance takes shots at people he knows the public dislike so he's more popular?

Genuinely, nearly everybody would. If you actually wanted an answer to your question (although I'm beginning to feel that you only asked it for an excuse to argue with those who disagree) people dislike people who argue for the sake of arguing. Most people do not find this entertaining and everybody (including you, I'm sure) sees Helen do this more often than not. The reason that she has fans is because there's some people, like you, who get entertained by arguments but the reason that most people dislike her is because it's all that she ever does, it's boring to most people.

[BigBuk]

Her mind is a cesspool of misogyny and hatred for anyone who doesn't worship her tho. It is not the sort of thing that should have a voice.

I wouldn't mind her being so awful if she wasn't so predictable.

Disagree, she's gotten a long with people who haven't "worshipped" her, she argues with people who chat ****. Brian, trying to be the hero even though he suggested Chloe, Jack again trying to be a hero and he didn't even know what the argument was about, Ashleigh from last year was slagging everyone off and acted like she hadn't, she had her reasons arguing with those people. Not like she attacks everyone.

[Maria26]

Helen is a nasty bitch. She is a vile person and a bully. If you don't see that , then watch last year again or go take the blinders off!

[Vicky.]

I can see why she is disliked.

Problem is, she is so disliked that she gets grief even when she doesn't do anythi9ng wrong :laugh: The Chloe nomination for example...the only ones wrong in all of that were Marc (for being harsh) and Brian (for his ridiculous breakdown about nothing) yet somehow Helen got the blame :D

[Cold Sweat]

When Helen referred to little Chris on twitter as “Chris Glitter” was that her softer side… or what side was it?

[BigBuk]

Genuinely, nearly everybody would. If you actually wanted an answer to your question (although I'm beginning to feel that you only asked it for an excuse to argue with those who disagree) people dislike people who argue for the sake of arguing. Most people do not find this entertaining and everybody (including you, I'm sure) sees Helen do this more often than not. The reason that she has fans is because there's some people, like you, who get entertained by arguments but the reason that most people dislike her is because it's all that she ever does, it's boring to most people.

Ok answer this, what's entertaining about people talking about general things for 2 months? People in BB aren't going to be talking about real world issues or anything of interest and if they do they more often than not don't have a lot of knowledge about the subject they're talking about.

If you had it your way BB wouldn't have lasted 5 seasons. Nobody wants to watch a bunch of bores, evidently there's people like you though tbf.

[BigBuk]

When Helen referred to little Chris on twitter as “Chris Glitter” was that her softer side… or what side was it?

You should maybe explain what you're on about... Like I have a clue, I don't follow BB HMs on twitter and if I did I wouldn't see or remember every one of their tweets.

[Withano]

Ok answer this, what's entertaining about people talking about general things for 2 months? People in BB aren't going to be talking about real world issues or anything of interest and if they do they more often than not don't have a lot of knowledge about the subject they're talking about.

If you had it your way BB wouldn't have lasted 5 seasons. Nobody wants to watch a bunch of bores, evidently there's people like you though tbf.

They don't have to talk about general things, having fun and smiling is something which is more entertaining than arguments.. I kind of refuse to believe that you find that confusing?.. An argument is maybe interesting to watch once, twice a week if it's a different person arguing.. Watching the same person argue multiple times a night is not entertaining and the show wouldn't have lasted anywhere near 5 seasons if this is all that big brother was!

[BigBuk]

Helen is a nasty bitch. She is a vile person and a bully. If you don't see that , then watch last year again or go take the blinders off!

Please explain how she is a bully? Don't just say things with no evidence, show something that backs up these "bully claims."

[Kazanne]

Murderers show a soft side, that doesn't make them "nice" which if you look back, this is the only point I have made. She's not a nice girl and this isn't an uncommon opinion, as you said yourself, her delivery is sometimes harsh.. Unlike when nice people interact..

Well if you are comparing her to a murderer,the conversation is over for me,just so ridiculous:nono:

[kistar]

And you must be pretty close minded and blinkered never to have seen Helens softer side,why is it hatefilled and cruel to tell the truth? Her delivery is sometimes harsh,but the content true.

Her softer side?
Just because she thinks it's true doesn't mean to say it is , if you can't say anything nice say nothing at all .
In my opinion thinking any one thing about this awful woman is even a tiny bit okay is ridiculous.
She has the grace and diplomacy of a 5 year old who hasn't been taught what to say out loud and what to keep in your head just in case it upsets some one.

[Kazanne]

Her softer side?
Just because she thinks it's true doesn't mean to say it is , if you can't say anything nice say nothing at all .
In my opinion thinking any one thing about this awful woman is even a tiny bit okay is ridiculous.
She has the grace and diplomacy of a 5 year old who hasn't been taught what to say out loud and what to keep in your head just in case it upsets some one.

So by your analogy just because you think your post is true ,doesn't mean to say it is !!!

[joeysteele]

I don't get the hate for Helen at all.

She isn't someone anyone needs to be around anyway, she was/is a housemate on a reality show.
Her past is a dubious one admittedly but there it is, and it was always odd to me that she gets slated for what she did, while those who were 'so called happily married family men' threw money around to be with someone providing what Helen did with them.
They get off scot free,yet if they were not seeking such a 'service' there would be no need for anyone to provide it.

In the house, she was loud and dominating, probably very difficult for most to live with but for some reason she is condemned for that, while others who are much the same escape much criticism as to their actions in the house during any series.

Once a hate figure, then it normally continues, however I would rather someone like Helen to deal with who will say to your face what she thinks of you, cares nothing for the endless insulting criticism she gets and constant put downs but just gets on with things,than those who stab you in the back and are 2 faced towards you too.

She has done all BB probably expected of her in this series.
There are those who warmed to her later in her series last year who still see the reasons we warmed to her, there are those who really like her come what may.
Then there are those who think she likely shouldn't even exist.

Those views will not likely ever be changed one way or another, no matter what she may do or how she may act but for me, the really acidic and vile comments about her are greatly unwarranted.
that is my view,it became so halfway through her series last year and I have seen not a thing this last week,to make me think any differently towards her from forming that view.

[sosadbbend]

Seriously don't get the hate towards Helen, gets called "nasty" "a bully" "vile," etc. by the the public when in reality she isn't that bad, all she does is speak her mind, hasn't "bullied" anybody this year or last year for that matter. She has arguments with people who can defend themselves, unlike the majority of the HMs who were ganging up on Simon over minor stuff. Brian and Jack (who was the worst for having a go at Simon and slagging him off) are pathetic but people won't notice it, take shots at people they know the public dislike the first chance they get just to become more popular. Jack is the worst HM in the C5 BB series, didn't think anyone would top off the twins "Jack and Joe" or whatever they were called but he's managed it for me, boring kid that chats ****, slags off people whenever he gets the chance but constantly moans about two faced people, despise him.

I think your watching the show with filtered glasses tbh

[Kazanne]

I don't get the hate for Helen at all.

She isn't someone anyone needs to be around anyway, she was/is a housemate on a reality show.
Her past is a dubious one admittedly but there it is, and it was always odd to me that she gets slated for what she did, while those who were 'so called happily married family men' threw money around to be with someone providing what Helen did with them.
They get off scot free,yet if they were not seeking such a 'service' there would be no need for anyone to provide it.

In the house, she was loud and dominating, probably very difficult for most to live with but for some reason she is condemned for that, while others who are much the same escape much criticism as to their actions in the house during any series.

Once a hate figure, then it normally continues, however I would rather someone like Helen to deal with who will say to your face what she thinks of you, cares nothing for the endless insulting criticism she gets and constant put downs but just gets on with things,than those who stab you in the back and are 2 faced towards you too.

She has done all BB probably expected of her in this series.
There are those who warmed to her later in her series last year who still see the reasons we warmed to her, there are those who really like her come what may.
Then there are those who think she likely shouldn't even exist.

Those views will not likely ever be changed one way or another, no matter what she may do or how she may act but for me, the really acidic and vile comments about her are greatly unwarranted.
that is my view,it became so halfway through her series last year and I have seen not a thing this last week,to make me think any differently towards her from forming that view.

:cheer::cheer::lovedup:

[BigBuk]

I just find it funny she won the last one and people absolutely hate her, just makes it better.

[Northern Monkey]

No Helen is a ****.
She has'nt bullied anyone this year but she was orrible to Jale last year.

[smudgie]

DO people hate Helen, or hate her behaviour, or does it have to be the same thing?

[Kazanne]

No Helen is a ****.
She has'nt bullied anyone this year but she was orrible to Jale last year.

Her and Jale sorted it out,so why does have to do with us today? We are all horrible at times,so what?

[Kazanne]

DO people hate Helen, or hate her behaviour, or does it have to be the same thing?

Not sure on that one smudgie :laugh: but I do think some of the comments about her are worse than some of the stuff she has said, it's all so hypocritical.

[kefln]

Yawn, so Helens back, calling people names like "fat *******", shouting people down, arguing, nothing has changed, same stupidity, different HMs. The only thing she contributes is abuse. Vileness spills out of her everytime the camera pans her way. Tin pots have more intelligence, Simon Cowells next boyband has more originality, the woman has nothing to contribute other than shouting everyone else down because there just isn't anything else to her. You could stick her in every reality series going and the result would be the same, hours of her shouting and name calling.

Marc is a bellend, but he's entertaining, Hellen is just a foul mouth time bomb waiting for her next fight and more camera time. We've seen it all before, its dull, its pointless, its noise pollution, its another day of Hellen shouting people down. Yawn.

[Liam-]

I can see why Helen is hated, she has a loud mouth, she speaks before she thinks, she doesn't know when to shut up, she loves a good slanging match, but, as a fan of hers, I like her despite all that, not for that.

Yes she was awful for the first 2 weeks, I couldn't stand her then, but as the weeks went on imo, she saw the error of her ways, apologised to Jale, became friends with her and she mellowed out, I know that opinion is going to be met with the usual torrid of comments like 'are you stupid?' 'No she didn't though' 'You just bought into what the production wanted you to' but no, I've known people like Helen and that's why I know that while the shouting and the swearing might be the loudest part, it's not always the only part of a person.

Despite all the hate towards her, she has been the only housemate in years that I would actually like to have as a friend because you can see how loyal, upfront and honest she is, I'd much rather have her as a friend, or even just to shout at me when I'm being a dick, than have someone who was going to go behind my back by being sly, sneaky and vindictive.

Give me Helen any day of the week.

[Kazanne]

Yawn, so Helens back, calling people names like "fat *******", shouting people down, arguing, nothing has changed, same stupidity, different HMs. The only thing she contributes is abuse. Vileness spills out of her everytime the camera pans her way. Tin pots have more intelligence, Simon Cowells next boyband has more originality, the woman has nothing to contribute other than shouting everyone else down because there just isn't anything else to her. You could stick her in every reality series going and the result would be the same, hours of her shouting and name calling.

Marc is a bellend, but he's entertaining, Hellen is just a foul mouth time bomb waiting for her next fight and more camera time. We've seen it all before, its dull, its pointless, its noise pollution, its another day of Hellen shouting people down. Yawn.

And here we all are still talking about her,so it's not so dull and pointless is it?

[jet]

Not sure on that one smudgie :laugh: but I do think some of the comments about her are worse than some of the stuff she has said, it's all so hypocritical.

Its not really though, its human nature. When someone is hateful, they attract hate, and when they are kind and compassionate, they attract kindness and love. No - one dislikes Helen for nothing, they have good reason to.
It's well documented that people who admire the Helen's and Katie Hopkins of this world do so in the main because their unnecessary insults and put downs of others make them feel better about themselves. She's quite the therapist, is Helen. :joker:

[rusticgal]

Care to elaborate on this?

I think your post is perceived as a pile of ****...

Helen is vile...she's a nasty piece of work who sets out to verbally destroy people. She can't reason and she is thick as ****...when people try to defend themselves she just tells them to **** off. She is a horrid person...she has so much hate and no compassion.
She deserves everything she gets.

[Angelika]

Seriously Helen, "nasty" "a bully" "vile," etc.

YES, Helen is everything the public call her. She made a big error of judgement accepting BB's offer to to back into the house. She's losing popularity every time she opens her vile mouth.

By the time she comes out her career should be well and truly over. :cheer2:

[kefln]

YES, Helen is everything the public call her. She made a big error of judgement accepting BB's offer to to back into the house. She's losing popularity every time she opens her vile mouth.

By the time she comes out her career should be well and truly over. :cheer2:

Her career is being a vile loud mouth without an ounce of what most would consider social intelligence.

[Tom4784]

She's a bully inside and outside of Big Brother, she masks being abusive as honesty and she's a complete and utter hypocrite.

[sungrass]

Seriously don't get the hate towards Helen, gets called "nasty" "a bully" "vile," etc. by the the public when in reality she isn't that bad, all she does is speak her mind, hasn't "bullied" anybody this year or last year for that matter. She has arguments with people who can defend themselves, unlike the majority of the HMs who were ganging up on Simon over minor stuff. Brian and Jack (who was the worst for having a go at Simon and slagging him off) are pathetic but people won't notice it, take shots at people they know the public dislike the first chance they get just to become more popular. Jack is the worst HM in the C5 BB series, didn't think anyone would top off the twins "Jack and Joe" or whatever they were called but he's managed it for me, boring kid that chats ****, slags off people whenever he gets the chance but constantly moans about two faced people, despise him.


The feeling I got from last nights show re Helen was,

HEAVILY EDITED or a WORD IN HER EAR

To make her look less of a cow as there was huge back lash against her on twitter on Monday. HUGE. No one likes her - n were angry C5 put her back in. I know I was.

as there is no live feed they dont show it now - the real her was the first ten mins on Monday. Dont forget - the media types rely on the public to have short memories.

[DemolitionRed]

Please explain how she is a bully? Don't just say things with no evidence, show something that backs up these "bully claims."

I know you didn't ask me this question but its an open forum and I couldn't resist answering with my opinion.

Helen is already known for using intimidation tactics. She is a classic bully and most of the house mates knew this when she walked into the house. She allowed Marc to observe her toughness in the bunker when she very vocally bad mouthed some of the house mates. This ensured Marc would move onto her side and back her up when necessary.

When she gave the first nomination to Harry, she did it in a way that intimidated some of the house mates. The, "I don't give a flying ****" attitude rang warning bells "don't cross with me lovies because I'm more than capable of making your life a misery" This is a domineering tactic that many bullies use. Mark used it when he first arrived in the house. Helen imo finds it much easier and has clearly had more practice.

Even when Nikki went over to her at one point and sucked up to her about something, Helen shut her down with the words, "I don't give a **** about your opinion". She sees Nikki as a weak ally who needs to be kept in her place.

She causes stress in the house through intimidation. She intimidates by allowing people to know how hard she is. She didn't tell Harry that she used to physically fight with everyone to comfort Harry, she was warning Harry and when she told the other group she wanted to kick Brian in the face she was warning those people.

Helen is so cold blooded that there is ice water in her veins. She knows that she has the ability to put others outside of their comfort zone. She's totally free of internal restraints (she doesn't care). Most people care about upsetting someone because they have morality...Helen doesn't. I absolutely don't doubt that some people in the house fear her and equally, I have no doubt that Helen revels in that fear....

Helen doesn't have to directly bully anyone to actually be a bully; all she has to do is intimidate by vocally showing everyone just how 'hard' she is.

[Beso]

So you're saying Jack isn't fat then?

im saying hes not a ****, it's obvious he's fat, but your narrow minded simpleton of a person(helen, not you) cant think up anything witty to say so just calls him a fat ****...

[GiRTh]

She won the show last year.This year she is invited back to go into the house for a short period of time. This is what I dont undersatnd cuz if that was me I'd be in there with my feet up bantering with everyone, having a laugh etc. Why not, she's won the show she quite literally has nothing to prove and certainly nothing to gain at all from this brief visit but no she's in with the bitching, she's singled out who she doesnt like and told them which included some name calling, she's defin9itey taken sides with Marc and appears to be against anyone Marc doesnt like. I dont get it. Why is she so motivated to act the way she is acting? Why is she not more relaxed in there.

[Kizzy]

Everyone she comes into contact with has a mouth too don't they?... The abuse she gets is 100% worse than she gives out in the house.

[BB1984]

It is getting kinda boring all the Helen hate especially on BOTS, it seems like cool & edgy to hate & badmouth Helen for her personality.
If people get intimidated by her in the house, that is their own problem.

[Kazanne]

She won the show last year.This year she is invited back to go into the house for a short period of time. This is what I dont undersatnd cuz if that was me I'd be in there with my feet up bantering with everyone, having a laugh etc. Why not, she's won the show she quite literally has nothing to prove and certainly nothing to gain at all from this brief visit but no she's in with the bitching, she's singled out who she doesnt like and told them which included some name calling, she's defin9itey taken sides with Marc and appears to be against anyone Marc doesnt like. I dont get it. Why is she so motivated to act the way she is acting? Why is she not more relaxed in there.

Helen has formed an opinion of them as we have on the outside,she has proven she is open minded by chatting to Harry and making up with Brian,she said she was told to 'stir it up' and she has,people don't like nice and boring,they don't like loud and opinionated,just what exactly do people want from BB?

[Kazanne]

Everyone she comes into contact with has a mouth too don't they?... The abuse she gets is 100% worse than she gives out in the house.

This is a mystery to me Kizzy,people make out she is some unapproachable identity,IF people actually spoke to her and aired their feelings,you just know Helen would understand,if she didn't she would tell them.You wouldn't just sit there and let her mouth of at you ,would you?:shrug:I know I wouldn't.

[DemolitionRed]

Everyone she comes into contact with has a mouth too don't they?... The abuse she gets is 100% worse than she gives out in the house.

The majority of people wouldn't stand up to Helen, not because they don't have strong characters but because Helen is aggressively unstable (or at least she comes across that way) and most of us humans have something called 'self preservation'.

Helen is a Rottweiler and although many people people often like Rottweilers, they are very cautious about prodding them.

[GiRTh]

Helen has formed an opinion of them as we have on the outside,she has proven she is open minded by chatting to Harry and making up with Brian,she said she was told to 'stir it up' and she has,people don't like nice and boring,they don't like loud and opinionated,just what exactly do people want from BB?Both BRian and Nikki talk to the HM's but I dont really see Helen talking to them about anything other than nominations or telling them what she thinks of them. IMO its odd behaviour considering she doesnt have anything to gain.

[Glenn.]

She bullied jale and Christopher for weeks last year welp

[Jack_]

I do understand why people dislike her but the screams of 'bully' just annoy me. Okay, her treatment of Jale and Christopher in the early weeks of BB15 were definitely on the cusp of bullying and was extremely uncomfortable, but the rest of the series all she did was run her mouth off and make nasty insults to people who were more than capable of arguing back. She was a horrible ****, but not a bully.

And this week she's not even been that bad...so why people are still moaning is beyond me.

[Glenn.]

She bullied them.

[Withano]

She won the show last year.This year she is invited back to go into the house for a short period of time. This is what I dont undersatnd cuz if that was me I'd be in there with my feet up bantering with everyone, having a laugh etc. Why not, she's won the show she quite literally has nothing to prove and certainly nothing to gain at all from this brief visit but no she's in with the bitching, she's singled out who she doesnt like and told them which included some name calling, she's defin9itey taken sides with Marc and appears to be against anyone Marc doesnt like. I dont get it. Why is she so motivated to act the way she is acting? Why is she not more relaxed in there.

I think shes hoping for a Hopkins-like career to be honest even if it is just a fiver a week to appear on BBOTS, it's stopping her from getting an actual job for a little while.

[Jack_]

She bullied them.

No she didn't. And even if you think she did, she didn't bully anyone for the remainder of her 8 week stay and she hasn't bullied anyone this week, so.

[Griffin5779]

I can understand why people dislike Helen...I found her really distasteful last year...and she hasn't been sweet and nice this year...

But she hasn't been nearly as bad this year as people are claiming..it is Brain acting like an all around bastard.

[Rob!]

She's a bully. She thrives on making people feel as small as she can by being abusive and intimidating. That's bullying. You don't have to lay a finger on someone to be a bully. I don't know why people have so much confusion over that.

[billy123]

I couldnt care less about Helen. She was used as a tool to stop the even more obnoxious blonde horror from winning last year and it worked. Thats it.
Pretty much anybody desperate enough to apply for this show since it has been on C5 can instantly be labelled as a desperate prick it is up to them to prove otherwise.

[ozzyshaggah]

my fav last year and still is this year

[vivparker]

She is only doing what BB expect of her - they wanted to stir things up which is why they picked her to go in - if they'd have wanted "nice" they would have sent in Rachel Rice! With Helen, what you see is what you get - I don't always agree with her point of view but you cant really knock brutal honesty can you?

[kefln]

Helen spent most of last year fighting and calling people names, she arrives back ino the house and its the old story again.

She was quite happy to single out Harry, who is isolated in any case, however she did not expect Brian to protect Chloe. Their first "argument" was heated, and she was happy enough to call him a dick behind his back, but their second "argument" was far more sedated on her side. Brian isn't a push over, he won't buckle under, he isn't physically or verbally intimidated by her and he's popular with BB fans. Helen only goes for the isolated or those intimidated by her.

Loud mouth trouble maker, aggressive, unstable, but chooses who she tackles, and its never someone who's able to fight back.

[Glenn.]

No she didn't. And even if you think she did, she didn't bully anyone for the remainder of her 8 week stay and she hasn't bullied anyone this week, so.

Um yes she did. Sitting in a group of people calling someone a slug is bullying. The very thing she's bitched about everyone doing to Simon this week.

Not only is the slut a bullying vile bastard but she's a hypercrite too.

[Jack_]

Um yes she did. Sitting in a group of people calling someone a slug is bullying. The very thing she's bitched about everyone doing to Simon this week.

Not only is the slut a bullying vile bastard but she's a hypercrite too.

No it isn't. And once again, all of that stopped after two weeks.

I don't think there's any need to be calling people 'sluts' either.

[EspeonBB]

She's a vile nasty bully who ruined BB15 with her negativity and is ruining this series (even further). I don't find her entertaining either, her arguing style just involves screaming obscenities at people and she has no wit like other great BB villains have.

She deserves all the hate she gets

[rusticgal]

Everyone she comes into contact with has a mouth too don't they?... The abuse she gets is 100% worse than she gives out in the house.


Because other people dont find it necessary to be abusive. Most people are decent and find her verbal diorreah as totally unnecessary.
Helen is scum...she is incapable of being fair or taking critisism...she criticises people for the very thing she does...only she does it at a much higher level.

[abhorson]

Because other people dont find it necessary to be abusive. Most people are decent and find her verbal diorreah as totally unnecessary.
Helen is scum...she is incapable of being fair or taking critisism...she criticises people for the very thing she does...only she does it at a much higher level.

So true.

Both she and Marc like to give it but hate it back. Which is quite frankly. Pathetic.

[Dollface]

No it isn't. And once again, all of that stopped after two weeks.

I don't think there's any need to be calling people 'sluts' either.

Oh that's ok then? :shrug:

She was (and still is) a vile bully.

[Kizzy]

Because other people dont find it necessary to be abusive. Most people are decent and find her verbal diorreah as totally unnecessary.
Helen is scum...she is incapable of being fair or taking critisism...she criticises people for the very thing she does...only she does it at a much higher level.

Oh then why are half the house hanging off her every word? They need to tell her instead of sitting there like a set of nodding dogs.

[abhorson]

Oh then why are half the house hanging off her every word? They need to tell her instead of sitting there like a set of nodding dogs.

Because most are not like her and besides what would be the point, they know that she is gone tomorrow. And it looks like Cristian did today, good man.

[Jack_]

Oh that's ok then? :shrug:

She was (and still is) a vile bully.

I never said that, please don't put words into my mouth. But what are you going to do, hold it against her for the rest of her life?

She spent the last two months of the series doing nothing that could be considered bullying and she hasn't done any 'bullying' this week either.

[Kizzy]

Because most are not like her and besides what would be the point, they know that she is gone tomorrow. And it looks like Cristian did today, good man.

The point is they wouldn't look so spineless, if I don't like what someone is saying I don't agree do you?
I'm not suggesting having a go back you would just avoid them.
Yes good on Cristian it's about time he showed he was something other than attractive wallpaper, I was about to rename him laura ashley.

[Glenn.]

No it isn't. And once again, all of that stopped after two weeks.

I don't think there's any need to be calling people 'sluts' either.

So because it stopped it was ok?

The woman was a prostitute so the word slut is more than appropriate

[Jack_]

So because it stopped it was ok?

The woman was a prostitute so the word slut is more than appropriate

Didn't say that either. What she did was out of order and she is a ****, but she isn't a bully. The rest of her time in the house wasn't that bad and this week she's been fine, why hold two weeks of her life against her forever?

Well first of all there's nothing wrong with being a prostitute, second of all the word 'slut' isn't really appropriate because it's a profession not a pastime and lastly calling people (well let's be honest, it's mainly women) 'sluts' is just nasty and misogynistic. You're better than that Glenn and you know you are, don't stoop to her level.

[Glenn.]

Didn't say that either. What she did was out of order and she is a ****, but she isn't a bully. The rest of her time in the house wasn't that bad and this week she's been fine, why hold two weeks of her life against her forever?

Well first of all there's nothing wrong with being a prostitute, second of all the word 'slut' isn't really appropriate because it's a profession not a pastime and lastly calling people (well let's be honest, it's mainly women) 'sluts' is just nasty and misogynistic. You're better than that Glenn and you know you are, don't stoop to her level.

She is the epitome of a bully. If you can't see that then I have no idea what you are watching. She was a bully last year, towards a number of housemates she knew wouldn't stand up for themselves. That's a bully.

And whatever way you dress it up, she slept with dozens of men for money. Profession or not she's a slut.

[Jack_]

She is the epitome of a bully. If you can't see that then I have no idea what you are watching. She was a bully last year, towards a number of housemates she knew wouldn't stand up for themselves. That's a bully.

And whatever way you dress it up, she slept with dozens of men for money. Profession or not she's a slut.

For maybe two weeks at the start of the series, but I still don't believe she was a bully. Even the people on the receiving end specifically said she wasn't a bully and didn't feel like they were being bullied, so.

And? What's wrong with sleeping with dozens of men, or sleeping with as many people as you personally want to? The word 'slut' or 'slag' or anything like that is pointless and nasty, who cares how many people someone has slept with, or whether they do it for money?

[Glenn.]

She's a nasty vile slut and I have no problem saying that whatsoever, so

[Jack_]

Well you're letting yourself down by using such misogynistic terminology to be quite honest. Still yet to hear what the problem with sleeping around is but whatever.

Just because she abused you on Twitter, doesn't mean you need to stoop to her level.

[Glenn.]

sleeping around isn't a problem. Sleeping around for money is. There's no self respect there at all.

[Jack_]

You do realise that a lot of prostitutes are forced down that road because they lack opportunities, education and are exploited? Most of the time I'm pretty sure it's a choice none of them would wish to make, but it's either that or they can't support themselves. Not really something to criticise someone for I should think

And even if it is a choice, if two consenting adults are willing to exchange money in return for sexual gratification, what business is it of anyone else so long as no one is getting hurt in the process? If you wouldn't want to do that, fine, each to their own, but people can do with their own bodies and their own money what they like, just because there's some imaginary social rule invented by humans that apparently it's oh so abhorrent, doesn't mean that it is.

[Glenn.]

You do realise that a lot of prostitutes are forced down that road because they lack opportunities, education and are exploited? Most of the time I'm pretty sure it's a choice none of them would wish to make, but it's either that or they can't support themselves. Not really something to criticise someone for I should think

And even if it is a choice, if two consenting adults are willing to exchange money in return for sexual gratification, what business is it of anyone else so long as no one is getting hurt in the process? If you wouldn't want to do that, fine, each to their own, but people can do with their own bodies and their own money what they like, just because there's some imaginary social rule invented by humans that apparently it's oh so abhorrent, doesn't mean that it is.

Helen wasn't forced into it though. Because she's a slut.

Didn't she nearly end a marriage?

[Kizzy]

Helen wasn't forced into it though. Because she's a slut.

Didn't she nearly end a marriage?

She was a single parent who owed a loan shark.
She was hired as 'company' for a footballer, he is absolved from any blame seemingly.

[Jack_]

Helen wasn't forced into it though. Because she's a slut.

Didn't she nearly end a marriage?

So you're just going to ignore my second paragraph about how people with their own money and bodies can do what they want, and imaginary social rules don't make something inherently wrong?

And oh God please don't say you're one of those people who blames the woman or the person that was cheated with on ruining relationships/marriages. Wayne cheated, not Helen. The person who cheats is the person responsible for jeopardising their own relationship or marriage, not the person who they cheat with. Helen was paid to do a job, whether her clients are in relationships or not is none of her business.

[Glenn.]

I didn't say he was absolved. The useless tart should have got a proper job to support her child and pay debts like a normal person, instead of laying on her back getting banged for an hour a pop.

[Glenn.]

Thread like this are the reason I stay out of the bb section. People actually defending the bullying hypercritical hooker :umm2:

[Jack_]

I didn't say he was absolved. The useless tart should have got a proper job to support her child and pay debts like a normal person, instead of laying on her back getting banged for an hour a pop.

Who are you to define what's a 'proper job'? A job is a job, you can't define 'proper'.

Once again, there is nothing wrong with two consenting adults exchanging money for sexual gratification. Who made this ridiculous rule?

Thread like this are the reason I stay out of the bb section. People actually defending the bullying hypercritical hooker :umm2:

I'm actually defending people (that goes for anyone) from being called 'sluts' because it's misogynistic and silly. In fact, it's nasty terms like that being thrown around the Big Brother section that puts me off viewing it every series.

[Denver]

What I don't understand is that she is hated yet people love the same traits in other housemates :think:

[sarah2020]

I didnt like Helen last year but even though she can still be as vile as ever I do like her in the house. It was too boring.

[Macie Lightfoot]

What I don't understand is that she is hated yet people love the same traits in other housemates :thinks:

What are these traits you speak of?

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that Helen became a prostitute bc she owed 500 pounds to a loan shark since she wanted to go on vacation to Spain. I'm pretty sure she also wrote in her column that when Jale couldn't afford to go to the Steverly wedding that she should've went into prostitution in order to make ends meet.

She's just an obnoxious idiot. I don't really know what's up for discussion about her or why some people claim she's amazing but whatever.

[Dollface]

I'm actually defending people (that goes for anyone) from being called 'sluts' because it's misogynistic and silly. In fact, it's nasty terms like that being thrown around the Big Brother section that puts me off viewing it every series.

Helen called Harry a slag or a slut (despite being a prostitute herself) yet you stick up for her :shrug:

[Dollface]

She was a single parent who owed a loan shark.
She was hired as 'company' for a footballer, he is absolved from any blame seemingly.

I'm sure she was on This Morning saying that she went into prostitution to pay for her holidays or something.

[Macie Lightfoot]

yeah she borrowed 500 pounds to go to Spain and is pro-prostitution so she's really just a dumb simpleton.

[Glenn.]

Helen called Harry a slag or a slut (despite being a prostitute herself) yet you stick up for her :shrug:

I'm sure she was on This Morning saying that she went into prostitution to pay for her holidays or something.

yeah she borrowed 500 pounds to go to Spain and is pro-prostitution so she's really just a dumb simpleton.

Welp.
Stupid slut

[Kizzy]

I'm sure she was on This Morning saying that she went into prostitution to pay for her holidays or something.

She borrowed the money to go on a holiday and then lost her job that's what I remember from the interview.

[Glenn.]

what sort of moron borrows money to go on holiday though?

[M X]

Helen's an arsehole. Thread can be closed now.

[GiRTh]

Helen's an arsehole. Thread can be closed now.This.

[Kazanne]

Helen's an arsehole. Thread can be closed now.

So Erudite:nono:

[GiRTh]

So Erudite:nono:Unlike Helen.

[camertone]

helen is doing exactly what public wanted her to do, brian is on the other doing the opposite, he is bumlicking all housemates and trying to look like a nice guy, he ain't. what's the point of brian going in there if he's agreeing with everything all housemates say?

[camertone]

is brian a slut too? how old is he? why he considers himself to be a boy?

[GiRTh]

helen is doing exactly what public wanted her to do, brian is on the other doing the opposite, he is bumlicking all housemates and trying to look like a nice guy, he ain't. what's the point of brian going in there if he's agreeing with everything all housemates say?At least Brian at times seems to be having a bit of fun. Helen brings nothing but black clouds, doom and gloom and a poisonous atmosphere everywhere she goes. I dont think I've seen her genuinley laugh out loud her entire time this year and remember she's the current champion so its not like she's in there busting a gut trying to win. She's already won. Her taking sides and trying to steer the show in the direction she wants makes no sense to me. Unless of course people like me are right and she's such a ****** that she cant stop her self from being a ******.

[Babschap]

Helen is vile, she is a bully and a gobby bitch as well. What really pisses me off tho, is that she is applauded for this behaviour.

[GiRTh]

Helen is the epitome of the expression mean spirited.

[kistar]

Her and Jale sorted it out,so why does have to do with us today? We are all horrible at times,so what?

You might think everyone is horrible at times , however I can say hand on heart I have and never will be as awful as Helen , I had more integrity as a toddler than she has as an adult. There is no reason to be mean , there is no excuse to be vile it's a choice that sentient beings make.

I really am pleased though that this year so many people have realised what Helen is like.