Chloe and fat jokes

[Griffin5779]

I try to sympathies with her delicate sensitive caring nature and the way such comment must offend her.. then i remember her Goldfinger

[Niamh.]

Goldfinger?

[Crimson Dynamo]

say wha

[Kazanne]

I try to sympathies with her delicate sensitive caring nature and the way such comment must offend her.. then i remember her Goldfinger

And don't forget her crapping in peoples shoes.

[Griffin5779]

Goldfinger?

shes is the one who really kicked the teasing of Sam into high gear in "finger gate" by saying they should watch the movie Gold finger

[Niamh.]

shes is the one who really kicked the teasing of Sam into high gear in "finger gate" by saying they should watch the movie Gold finger

ah I missed that episode

[sampvt]

Is fat not a word we are allowed to use anymore. It describes someone who is overweight and she is overweight so she is fat, end of discussion. What is the problem. We wont be able to say Bello is ugly, we will have to say his face isn't ergonomically perfect, no, he is an ugly git, end of.

[Shaun]

Is fat not a word we are allowed to use anymore. It describes someone who is overweight and she is overweight so she is fat, end of discussion. What is the problem. We wont be able to say Bello is ugly, we will have to say his face isn't ergonomically perfect, no, he is an ugly git, end of.

Of course you're allowed to say it. Just like how I'm allowed to think it's shallow and unnecessary. :)

[Withano]

Still, she's allowed to be upset by fat jokes.

[ebandit]

Is fat not a word we are allowed to use anymore. It describes someone who is overweight and she is overweight so she is fat, end of discussion. What is the problem. We wont be able to say Bello is ugly, we will have to say his face isn't ergonomically perfect, no, he is an ugly git, end of.

sampvt considering someone ugly does not make it true.........others

may find him handsome/beautiful

similar could be said for being fat.......to an anorexic i'm fat

............there are far better/more specific descriptions than fat

Mark L

[sampvt]

sampvt considering someone ugly does not make it true.........others

may find him handsome/beautiful

similar could be said for being fat.......to an anorexic i'm fat

............there are far better/more specific descriptions than fat

Mark L

If we weighed her on a height for weight chart, she should be 11 foot 9 inches so really, she is just too short.....Is that better.

[Griffin5779]

Still, she's allowed to be upset by fat jokes.

Sure..and I'm allowed to have no sympathy for her

[Withano]

Sure..and I'm allowed to have no sympathy for her

It shouldn't matter what the joke is. if somebody makes a joke, or indeed, comments seriously, on somebody's physical appearance and you don't react with sympathy to the victim or a little angst towards the Attacker, it probably says more about you than everybody else involved.

[Robertocarlo]

Problem is she is fat. She's certainly not slim is she. If you're overweight then get over it and do something about losing some weight. I used to weigh 16 stone but am now down to 11 1/2 stone. It takes hard work and a good diet. No reason to look porky my love.

[Niamh.]

Problem is she is fat. She's certainly not slim is she. If you're overweight then get over it and do something about losing some weight. I used to weigh 16 stone but am now down to 11 1/2 stone. It takes hard work and a good diet. No reason to look porky my love.

What a terrible attitude to have especially from someone who was over weight too. I'm sure "fat" people are well aware they're fat, they don't need people trying to make them feel s**t by mocking them over it. I don't understand why people want to condone nastiness all of a sudden by excusing it as honesty.

[rubymoo]

IMO the word fat is a negative descriptive word, surely we shouldn't be insulting others looks/weight, i thought name calling was left in the playground:bored:

[rubymoo]

What a terrible attitude to have especially from someone who was over weight too. I'm sure "fat" people are well aware they're fat, they don't need people trying to make them feel s**t by mocking them over it. I don't understand why people want to condone nastiness all of a sudden by excusing it as honesty.

We posted at the same time:laugh:

Your post says what i wanted to say:clap2:

[Robertocarlo]

What a terrible attitude to have especially from someone who was over weight too. I'm sure "fat" people are well aware they're fat, they don't need people trying to make them feel s**t by mocking them over it. I don't understand why people want to condone nastiness all of a sudden by excusing it as honesty.

Sorry but I worked very hard at the gym for several years to maintain my body weight and physique. I came second in a bodybuilding contest last year at the age of 60!!! At the gym I go to there are fat people who joined the same time I did and several years later they're still fat!? They need to be told quite bluntly they're fat and to do something about it like exercise and diet. I no longer believe in pussy footing around with PC language with fatties. They won't change until they are given a real jolt to change their lives around.

[Jack_]

A joke is a joke, I'm sure most people can take them, but when people start using terms like 'fat' and 'ugly' or other insults related to people's appearances when talking about them, they just make themselves look nasty, pathetic and insecure. It's so unnecessary.

[Jake.]

how is chloe fat :joker:

[Robertocarlo]

A joke is a joke, I'm sure most people can take them, but when people start using terms like 'fat' and 'ugly' or other insults related to people's appearances when talking about them, they just make themselves look nasty, pathetic and insecure. It's so unnecessary.

No it's not. People have soft toed around such subjects for far too long now and the nation is getting fatter. You need to use shock tactics and language to make these people diet. Otherwise the NHS will fold under the weight of fat patients.

[Robertocarlo]

how is chloe fat :joker:

Are you blind?!

[Jake.]

Are you blind?!

Must be

[Niamh.]

Sorry but I worked very hard at the gym for several years to maintain my body weight and physique. I came second in a bodybuilding contest last year at the age of 60!!! At the gym I go to there are fat people who joined the same time I did and several years later they're still fat!? They need to be told quite bluntly they're fat and to do something about it like exercise and diet. I no longer believe in pussy footing around with PC language with fatties. They won't change until they are given a real jolt to change their lives around.

Do you think that people who are overweight wouldn't realise that they're fat if you didn't tell them then? :think:

[Robertocarlo]

Do you think that people who are overweight wouldn't realise that they're fat if you didn't tell them then? :think:

They know they're fat but choose to carry on munching and slouching about. I was woken up to the fact I was morbidly obese (fat) when I had some heart and blood pressure problems. It was a wake up call and I did something about it changing my life around totally.

[Niamh.]

They know they're fat but choose to carry on munching and slouching about. I was woken up to the fact I was morbidly obese (fat) when I had some heart and blood pressure problems. It was a wake up call and I did something about it changing my life around totally.

So you decided when you were ready to...good for you. Making people feel like a piece of s**t is usually not the best motivator though.

[Jake.]

So you decided when you were ready to...good for you. Making people feel like a piece of s**t is usually not the best motivator though.

:clap1:

[ebandit]

If we weighed her on a height for weight chart, she should be 11 foot 9 inches so really, she is just too short.....Is that better.

an interesting question............if the bmi of mark and chloe was compared

........which would be the greater?

fat is largely a perception.............and as another member pointed out

us grown ups...no longer have need for such childish insults

Mark L

[Gillian-73]

No wonder so many people have body image problems with the attitudes of some!

[Griffin5779]

It shouldn't matter what the joke is. if somebody makes a joke, or indeed, comments seriously, on somebody's physical appearance and you don't react with sympathy to the victim or a little angst towards the Attacker, it probably says more about you than everybody else involved.

he doesn't comment serious..he pokes fun....I'm as fit as a bag of crisps and as strong as a jelly baby and i thought it was hilarious. I've always poked fun with friends and they always poke fun with me and i wouldn't be the least bit bother by the joke said in a good humored way ...He is a nice guy and you making him out to be horrible

Victim and attacker..you cheapen the words when you portray it like that and it should offend anyone who had truly abused verbally or otherwise

[Griffin5779]

IMO the word fat is a negative descriptive word, surely we shouldn't be insulting others looks/weight, i thought name calling was left in the playground:bored:

well he didn't say fat last night..chloe did

[Absorption]

The problem is that many people who accuse others of being fat, especially those in the media, would have us believe that a size 0 model is the epitome of health.

There is a happy medium but I'd rather someone had Chloe's figure than was verging on skeletal.

[Withano]

he doesn't comment serious..he pokes fun....I'm as fit as a bag of crisps and as strong as a jelly baby and i thought it was hilarious. I've always poked fun with friends and they always poke fun with me and i wouldn't be the least bit bother by the joke said in a good humored way ...He is a nice guy and you making him out to be horrible

Victim and attacker..you cheapen the words when you portray it like that and it should offend anyone who had truly abused verbally or otherwise

Maybe that's the difference.. They're not friends and he isn't a nice person.. Jokes that make others upset are not okay.. Obviously.. And to repeat the jokes that weren't okay the first time round is proof to me that he isn't a nice person.

[Griffin5779]

Maybe that's the difference.. They're not friends and he isn't a nice person.. Jokes that make others upset are not okay.. Obviously.. And to repeat the jokes that weren't okay the first time round is proof to me that he isn't a nice person.

i guess that depends how you define friends? are Danny and jack friends? nick and harry? They have a level of familiarity from a shared experience..Tasks done together..laughs shared...dinners...life stories exchanged...that is friends enough to me to poke fun...

you know like chloe..making a joke about Sam fingering herself..but i guess if she said "you should watch gold finger AND you are as fit as a packet of crisps" then it would be horrible and you could tell chloe was not a nice person

[Withano]

i guess that depends how you define friends? are Danny and jack friends? nick and harry? They have a level of familiarity from a shared experience..Tasks done together..laughs shared...dinners...life stories exchanged...that is friends enough to me to poke fun...

you know like chloe..making a joke about Sam fingering herself..but i guess if she said "you should watch gold finger AND you are as fit as a packet of crisps" then it would be horrible and you could tell chloe was not a nice person

It sounds like you're saying that Chloe making sex jokes about Sam are inappropriate but Marc making fat jokes about Chloe are hilarious?

[minty3]

Sorry but I worked very hard at the gym for several years to maintain my body weight and physique. I came second in a bodybuilding contest last year at the age of 60!!! At the gym I go to there are fat people who joined the same time I did and several years later they're still fat!? They need to be told quite bluntly they're fat and to do something about it like exercise and diet. I no longer believe in pussy footing around with PC language with fatties. They won't change until they are given a real jolt to change their lives around.

Im 27 and have lost over 3 stone since near beginning of the year but i would never put someone down on there weight we know nothing about their situation

[Griffin5779]

It sounds like you're saying that Chloe making sex jokes about Sam are inappropriate but Marc making fat jokes about Chloe are hilarious?

No....I"m saying they are on about the same level and it is unfair to condemn one as a bad person unless you are going to condemn the other as well...More over..as long as Chloe feels it ok to make jokes about Sam fingering herself ..she has no right to be offended by a fat joke.

[Marsh.]

Is fat not a word we are allowed to use anymore. It describes someone who is overweight and she is overweight so she is fat, end of discussion. What is the problem. We wont be able to say Bello is ugly, we will have to say his face isn't ergonomically perfect, no, he is an ugly git, end of.

But she isn't overweight.

[Withano]

No....I"m saying they are on about the same level and it is unfair to condemn one as a bad person unless you are going to condemn the other as well...More over..as long as Chloe feels it ok to make jokes about Sam fingering herself ..she has no right to be offended by a fat joke.

I do disagree with everything that you're saying, I'm just trying to work out your point. I Don't think the situations are remotely similar.

Chloe's joke, although arguably distasteful, did have some witty side to it. I genuinely believe if Sam appeared upset by the joke (instead of the shock and confused reaction) Chloe would have apologised. The main difference for me is that Marc repeatedly uses the same "joke" (the joke which involves zero wit), and decided to repeat the joke although it upsets people. He has never apologised for the joke but has instead tried to spin it in them "why can't you take a joke"

I don't see any similarities really, Chloe has never repeated a joke and definitely wouldn't if she saw it upset people. Marc's jokes are not even technically witty, it's just a cruel dig that he justifies as banter and will repeatedly do so despite the upset it may cause.

I understand you disagree and that you think the situations are super similar so I'm just wondering if you think they're both in the right and they're hilarious or they're both in the wrong and gone too far.

[Dollface]

The attitudes of some supposed adults are disgraceful. I'd expect people that have been overweight to be a bit more understanding, but nope. Even Nikki who has suffered with anorexia made a dig at someones weight last night. It's all really pathetic.
Chloe isn't fat, she isn't stick thin either but she isn't fat.

[smudgie]

People weight is up to them, if they are really not happy they will try and change it, not always successfully as there are varied reasons for the situation.
Unfortunately if you are blessed with a horrible personality you are stuck with it.

[Griffin5779]

"It sounds like you're saying that Chloe making sex jokes about Sam are inappropriate but Marc making fat jokes about Chloe are hilarious"

me..I think both where ok...But i think Chloes comment was cruder..(and since i use that kind of humor myself to people i am or wish to be friends with)..I think Marcs jokes (last night) was more good humored. They where meant to be shared jokes with Sam.

like slapping your mate on the back and saying playfully and saying "you can be a real tit sometime you know"

Chloes on the other hand .. was a joke to large group of people..singeing out a third person..who was being made fun of

so honestly you could make the argument that if either joke was cruel..it was chloes

[Dollface]

me..I think both where ok...But i think Chloes comment was cruder..(and since i use that kind of humor myself to people i am or wish to be friends with)..I think Marcs jokes (last night) was more good humored. They where meant to be shared jokes with Sam.

like slapping your mate on the back and saying playfully and saying "you can be a real tit sometime you know"

Chloes on the other hand .. was a joke to large group of people..singeing out a third person..who was being made fun of

so honestly you could make the argument that if either joke was cruel..it was chloes

They were all making jokes about the Sam incident, however Marc is the only one telling people they're fat/heavy (he even called Cristian skinny during an argument, always picking on peoples appearances) so, no, Chloe's joke wasn't cruel.

[Griffin5779]

I understand you disagree and that you think the situations are super similar so I'm just wondering if you think they're both in the right and they're hilarious or they're both in the wrong and gone too far.

As i child i ostracized and picked on..made fun of by "groups" of other kids at school...but i could alway share a joke with a freind..even one that came at either of ours exspence...and it was not an "attack" .. but a bonding moment

So if you asked which was worse..it was chloe...but in that house..in a shared experience..i think either was ok.

I don't like nasty people..i never have..and i would be fine having a mate like marc..I'm sorry i don't see what you see..he is a good guy

[just thinkin]

A 60 year old calling insulting a kid ...classy

[Griffin5779]

They were all making jokes about the Sam incident, however Marc is the only one telling people they're fat/heavy (he even called Cristian skinny during an argument, always picking on peoples appearances) so, no, Chloe's joke wasn't cruel.

??? so one on one joking is bad..but if you ganging up on someone its ok?

I don't think you really believe that

[Pete.]

Poor Chloe

[Griffin5779]

A 60 year old calling insulting a kid ...classy

no idea what you are on about

[Withano]

As i child i ostracized and picked on..made fun of by "groups" of other kids at school...but i could alway share a joke with a freind..even one that came at either of ours exspence...and it was not an "attack" .. but a bonding moment

So if you asked which was worse..it was chloe...but in that house..in a shared experience..i think either was ok.

I don't like nasty people..i never have..and i would be fine having a mate like marc..I'm sorry i don't see what you see..he is a good guy

I have a similar relationship with my friends, and probably Marc and his friends too. I'd almost definitely get on with Marc in person but the guy needs a filter. If he can't see when he goes tOo far at his age, he never will. If you don't see how people have a right to be upset with fat "jokes" then it's probably beyond explaining to you too. He has gone too far on many occasions other than this and because he never apologises and never stops, it's clear to me that he's not a nice guy.

[Griffin5779]

I have a similar relationship with my friends, and probably Marc and his friends too. I'd almost definitely get on with Marc in person but the guy needs a filter. If he can't see when he goes to far at his age, he never will. If you don't see how people have a right to be upset with fat "jokes" then it's probably beyond explaining to you too. He has gone too far on many occasions other than this and because he never apologises and never stops, it's clear to me that he's not a nice guy.

I've said from days one he should tone it down..and if he was my friend i'd find away to get that point across to him without making it an argument..

But the point of the thread was chloe being offended when she had no problem making it jokes about sam some i don't think its fair to make a blanket statement about fat jokes being bad and ignoring chloes "humor"

as i said before...i'm as fit as packet of crisps myself and if a friend ..even on the level you can call all the housemates friends ..said that to me i would laugh out loud..

[Withano]

I've said from days one he should tone it down..and if he was my friend i'd find away to get that point across to him without making it an argument..

But the point of the thread was chloe being offended when she had no problem making it jokes about sam some i don't think its fair to make a blanket statement about fat jokes being bad and ignoring chloes "humor"

as i said before...i'm as fit as packet of crisps myself and if a friend ..even on the level you can call all the housemates friends ..said that to me i would laugh out loud..

No point telling me this, I've explained why I don't think they're similar whatsoever a few posts up, I still don't think they're similar and I still believe Chloe has reason to be upset with Marc.

[Kazanne]

??? so one on one joking is bad..but if you ganging up on someone its ok?

I don't think you really believe that

We may aswell just go crap in someones shoes,we'll be classy then:hehe:

[Livia]

how is chloe fat :joker:

I'm with you on this one Jake. She isn't skinny, but I certainly wouldn't class her as fat. She looks very healthy to me. But hey, if she isn't pleasing to Marc's eye, she must be worthless and the obvious stooge for his immature humour.

[Miss Nicole]

She is just Chloe and she is lovely as she is

[Dollface]

??? so one on one joking is bad..but if you ganging up on someone its ok?

I don't think you really believe that

lmao are you purposely trying to miss my point??

You singled Chloe out as someone who made a cruel joke about Sam (to defend the fact Marc has made cruel jokes), my point is how is that cruel of Chloe when they were all making jokes about Sam? I didn't even insinuate or suggest that ganging up on someone was ok, so don't twist my words please.

[Dollface]

We may aswell just go crap in someones shoes,we'll be classy then:hehe:

What has that even got to do with the topic? :conf: If you wanna talk about lack of class, head over to a thread about Helen.

[Griffin5779]

lmao are you purposely trying to miss my point??

You singled Chloe out as someone who made a cruel joke about Sam (to defend the fact Marc has made cruel jokes), my point is how is that cruel of Chloe when they were all making jokes about Sam? I didn't even insinuate or suggest that ganging up on someone was ok, so don't twist my words please.

have already addressed why a group teasing someone is offensive..i've focused on chloe because she is the one complaining about the fat jokes

[VanessaFeltz.]

So chloe isnt 90 pounds and thats why people are calling her fat. She is not fat at all she is at a healthy weight

[Jake.]

I'm with you on this one Jake. She isn't skinny, but I certainly wouldn't class her as fat. She looks very healthy to me. But hey, if she isn't pleasing to Marc's eye, she must be worthless and the obvious stooge for his immature humour.

Yeah, I just find it ridiculous, the lengths people go to..