surely joel the so called upstanding young man

[just thinkin]

Uld have a problem with his two best friends....nooo he sat there smugly and looked like he was enjoyin it...weasel

[rionablue]

Legend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BB4fan]

He sat there just like the others who didn't get involved.

If Helen pisses on the living room floor is it up to him to get up and do something about it...???

[BENDERBOY]

I was one of his biggest supporters, mainly because i wanted to do him.

Sadly he's gone over to the darkside and ruined his chances of winning.

[just thinkin]

sitting in between the two of them....he'd need to cop on.

[rusticgal]

Joel..the Lapdog.

[Liam-]

So once again someone is being chastised for not getting involved with someone else's argument, brilliant and totally fair, well done.

[Vanessa]

Joel..the Lapdog.

This! He's Helen little lapdog. Slimey little weasel. :nono:

[abhorson]

He sat there just like the others who didn't get involved.

If Helen pisses on the living room floor is it up to him to get up and do something about it...???

He would probably lap it up!

[Kazanne]

So now Joel is getting hate because of who he is friends with , how childish

[just thinkin]

So once again someone is being chastised for not getting involved with someone else's argument, brilliant and totally fair, well done.

oh, he'll get involved alright, when it's nothing to do with the two bulldogs. he won't say anything against those two bullies - in fact the smug face on him told a story.

So what do you think of Chloe not getting involved?

[rusticgal]

Joel stood up to Marc when he had the whole house behind him, when he first came in and upset Chloe.... Suddenly he has gone quiet. Not the 'voice of reason'' anymore. Mind you when Helen goes he might just have a voice again. However he has tainted himself now...damaged goods. :joker:

[Liam-]

oh, he'll get involved alright, when it's nothing to do with the two bulldogs. he won't say anything against those two bullies - in fact the smug face on him told a story.

So what do you think of Chloe not getting involved?

What do I think of Chloe not getting involved?.. nothing, if she didn't want to get involved then that's her decision, I don't see why people should be criticised for not wanting to involve themselves in what was a nasty argument.

[rusticgal]

So now Joel is getting hate because of who he is friends with , how childish

He's getting hate because having been a very arrogant pipsqueak...and the voice of reason. He isn't very big when it comes to Helen. Maybe he should be telling Helen the same things he told Marc ,when Marc first entered the house. Maybe he should tell Helen that she should think about what she says..and then give her one of his lectures in 'mock interview' format about how it might be perceived on the outside.
But he won't because when push comes to shove...he is a coward and a weasel. He is intimidated by Helen and he no longer has the backing of the other housemates because he has turned his back on them.

[joeysteele]

So now Joel is getting hate because of who he is friends with , how childish

You couldn't make it up could you Kazanne.
I have friends who really hate some of my other friends,I would hope no one ever judges me in that I keep company with both sets because I actually get on with both sets of people and none have ever done anything against me.

It is ridiculous,Joel gets on with just about everyone in there,really pathetic to go against him because he likes people others don't
If that is their genuine only reason not to like him then that is really sad.

He is no ones lapdog, he does his own thing, does not get involved where it is not necessary too.
He will talk to and spend time with all housemates and there must be some he would love to shove out the door.

He is polite, reasoned and never aggressive or personally insulting.
Privileged he may be but he has clearly been given good examples of how to behave in public.

Also, I hate his political position,however as like myself with you and you hold the same politics as Joel,holding that against him as a reason to not like him is pathetic I have to say.
I consider myself a decent person, I know you are a really decent person Kazanne and quite frankly, from all I have seen this series of him,so is he.

He is slammed for not arguing and raising his voice and seeming to condone bad behaviour.
By the same token, if he was arguing,raising his voice and acting out bad behaviour,that then would be just the other reason to get at him and then hate him for that.
If he personally insulted Helen and called her all the names under the sun, he would be applauded, were he to do that to Brian or say Danny/Cristian,he again would be the really rotten guy.
Just because he doesn't bend to the will of others and only does what he believes is right and decent are very sad reasons to put him down.

Sometimes, some people for many,can never do right for just in truth and fact not doing anything wrong at all,but just for being decent and being themselves.
As I say, you couldn't make it up.

[HBB1508]

He's just following Mummy's orders - she directed him to stick with Mark by plonking that fake kiss on Mark's cheek and he is just doing what he is told!!! In my opinion of course!!

[Vanessa]

He's getting hate because having been a very arrogant pipsqueak...and the voice of reason. He isn't very big when it comes to Helen. Maybe he should be telling Helen the same things he told Marc ,when Marc first entered the house. Maybe he should tell Helen that she should think about what she says..and then give her one of his lectures in 'mock interview' format about how it might be perceived on the outside.
But he won't because when push comes to shove...he is a coward and a weasel. He is intimidated by Helen and he no longer has the backing of the other housemates because he has turned his back on them.

:clap1:

[joeysteele]

He's just following Mummy's orders - she directed him to stick with Mark by plonking that fake kiss on Mark's cheek and he is just doing what he is told!!! In my opinion of course!!

Good for him then, I love to follow my Mothers orders when I can too,that shows respect.

Also why shouldn't he be getting on with Marc, Marc has not done a thing against him,why should anyone be against someone who hasn't treated them badly or worked against them in any way as a housemate.

That is also decency and more respect too,equally in my opinion.
I'd rather see that than him getting at someone who has not done single bad thing as to him in the house.

How anyone can say he now doesn't mix with the others is wrong too, we only see now the past hms on the highlights and Danny was talking to Helen more than anyone else on last nights.
Advising her,or trying to but still there with her.
As he was with Marc too.

Selective criticism only works when it is really accurate,in my opinion again.

[just thinkin]

You couldn't make it up could you Kazanne.
I have friends who really hate some of my other friends,I would hope no one ever judges me in that I keep company with both sets because I actually get on with both sets of people and none have ever done anything against me.

It is ridiculous,Joel gets on with just about everyone in there,really pathetic to go against him because he likes people others don't
If that is their genuine only reason not to like him then that is really sad.

He is no ones lapdog, he does his own thing, does not get involved where it is not necessary too.
He will talk to and spend time with all housemates and there must be some he would love to shove out the door.

He is polite, reasoned and never aggressive or personally insulting.
Privileged he may be but he has clearly been given good examples of how to behave in public.

Also, I hate his political position,however as like myself with you and you hold the same politics as Joel,holding that against him as a reason to not like him is pathetic I have to say.
I consider myself a decent person, I know you are a really decent person Kazanne and quite frankly, from all I have seen this series of him,so is he.

He is slammed for not arguing and raising his voice and seeming to condone bad behaviour.
By the same token, if he was arguing,raising his voice and acting out bad behaviour,that then would be just the other reason to get at him and then hate him for that.
If he personally insulted Helen and called her all the names under the sun, he would be applauded, were he to do that to Brian or say Danny/Cristian,he again would be the really rotten guy.
Just because he doesn't bend to the will of others and only does what he believes is right and decent are very sad reasons to put him down.

Sometimes, some people for many,can never do right for just in truth and fact not doing anything wrong at all,but just for being decent and being themselves.
As I say, you couldn't make it up.



no, he doesn't get on with everyone in there. If you watched the show the originals has a little bit of a problem with him because of him sticking like glue to the 'powerful' crowd and dumping on the other housemates. That's not getting on with everybody - that's stepping on people to get where he wants to be. He's all principled when it comes to telling the 'lower' housemates what he thinks, but yet is a lapdog to the 'powerful' housemates he's their little go-for boy. yes, definitely a slimy politician in the making.

[joeysteele]

no, he doesn't get on with everyone in there. If you watched the show the originals has a little bit of a problem with him because of him sticking like glue to the 'powerful' crowd and dumping on the other housemates. That's not getting on with everybody - that's stepping on people to get where he wants to be. He's all principled when it comes to telling the 'lower' housemates what he thinks, but yet is a lapdog to the 'powerful' housemates he's their little go-for boy. yes, definitely a slimy politician in the making.

If you read over my post I said he gets on with 'just about everyone' ,'not everyone',in there, if there ever was a housemate in the history of BB that has got on with all the housemates they were in with, I must have missed something.
Can you name any.

I disagree with your statements above anyway, I see it all differently but I am not looking to put him or others down for petty reasons.

[Kazanne]

If you read over my post I said he gets on with 'just about everyone' ,'not everyone',in there, if there ever was a housemate in the history of BB that has got on with all the housemates they were in with, I must have missed something.
Can you name any.

I disagree with your statements above anyway, I see it all differently but I am not looking to put him or others down for petty reasons.

Joey,I've seen more nastiness in here than I did from Helen last year and this combined,I like that Joel has his own personality and wont be told who to be friends with,that shows he has strength of character.

[joeysteele]

What do I think of Chloe not getting involved?.. nothing, if she didn't want to get involved then that's her decision, I don't see why people should be criticised for not wanting to involve themselves in what was a nasty argument.

I agree and Chloe did say she didn't like the comments Helen made but also the fact that Helen has not done or said anything bad to her.
Now Marc gets at Chloe a lot,Chloe does not like Marc and shows it a lot. However,clearly Helen,who with Marc is supposed to be the 'evil' team, has got on with Chloe despite the Chloe/Marc tensions.

Another nonsense as to an 'evil team' just about blown out of the water then.

[Kazanne]

He's getting hate because having been a very arrogant pipsqueak...and the voice of reason. He isn't very big when it comes to Helen. Maybe he should be telling Helen the same things he told Marc ,when Marc first entered the house. Maybe he should tell Helen that she should think about what she says..and then give her one of his lectures in 'mock interview' format about how it might be perceived on the outside.
But he won't because when push comes to shove...he is a coward and a weasel. He is intimidated by Helen and he no longer has the backing of the other housemates because he has turned his back on them.

:joker: Stop making her out to be this intimidating matriarch ,she isn't she's just loud and harsh,you give her far too much credit,not that I mind,I like her.

[joeysteele]

Joey,I've seen more nastiness in here than I did from Helen last year and this combined,I like that Joel has his own personality and wont be told who to be friends with,that shows he has strength of character.

Exactly Kazanne that is his right, I do that myself.

It neither means I like one group more or like another group less.
Danny and Marc are again regularly laughing and joking in the highlights,is Danny floating from group to group or is that okay as it is Danny.

In my view,strength of character is exactly what Joel is showing and he is only 19, he is the more mature of the lot of them in there just about, in my opinion.

[just thinkin]

If you read over my post I said he gets on with 'just about everyone' ,'not everyone',in there, if there ever was a housemate in the history of BB that has got on with all the housemates they were in with, I must have missed something.
Can you name any.

I disagree with your statements above anyway, I see it all differently but I am not looking to put him or others down for petty reasons.

yes, let's disagree then on the smarmy plank. :wavy:

Strength of character would be to stand up for something that is wrong instead of sitting there gloating. Still, mummy did point out that marc was his minder basically so he must do as mummy says.. I'm sure mummy is kicking herself now.

[joeysteele]

yes, let's disagree then on the smarmy plank. :wavy:

Strength of character would be to stand up for something that is wrong instead of sitting there gloating. Still, mummy did point out that marc was his minder basically so he must do as mummy says.. I'm sure mummy is kicking herself now.

If that's your only line of criticism then that is unfortunate really, I have no wish to engage in condoning disrespect for Mothers.

[just thinkin]

[/B]

If that's your only line of criticism then that is unfortunate really, I have no wish to engage in condoning disrespect for Mothers.

well..his mammy came on the show, so she's fair game. :colour:

[the truth]

What do I think of Chloe not getting involved?.. nothing, if she didn't want to get involved then that's her decision, I don't see why people should be criticised for not wanting to involve themselves in what was a nasty argument.

lets have no welsh bias now, joel has been quality housemate and the fave to win, but last night hes blown his chances ...that was the mother of all arguments and the single reason this series will be remembered. he choose to do and say nothing , even when the scum of the earth Helen started calling brian a psycho rapist murderer. alas joel is damaged goods now and his hopes and dreams are ruined. danny who is a sly one, seized his moment and has now made it to the final , possible winner

[the truth]

well..his mammy came on the show, so she's fair game. :colour:

hmmm marc is enraptured by that busty milf

[BlankSpace]

Joel is my favourite this year and still is, I hope people don't start picking up the phones to evict him this Friday.

[Fosse]

I don't think he's blown his chances - but I still think Nick more likely to win.

[Kizzy]

I don't like joel marc doesn't even like him why is he sucking his bum?

[Liam-]

lets have no welsh bias now, joel has been quality housemate and the fave to win, but last night hes blown his chances ...that was the mother of all arguments and the single reason this series will be remembered. he choose to do and say nothing , even when the scum of the earth Helen started calling brian a psycho rapist murderer. alas joel is damaged goods now and his hopes and dreams are ruined. danny who is a sly one, seized his moment and has now made it to the final , possible winner

It's not Welsh bias at all thank you very much.

No-one should feel like that have to get involved in an argument if they don't want to, if they want to, then go for it, but I'm not going to fault someone for not getting involved with something that doesn't involve them, as I feel no-one else should.

[the truth]

It's not Welsh bias at all thank you very much.

No-one should feel like that have to get involved in an argument if they don't want to, if they want to, then go for it, but I'm not going to fault someone for not getting involved with something that doesn't involve them, as I feel no-one else should.

he bottled it and sucked up to the bigots and failed to say anything at Helens vile subhuman slanderous trash:nono:.....welsh bias:nono:

[Fosse]

Why should Joel get involved anyway?

He probably agreed with Helen and let her get on with it.

[Liam-]

he bottled it and sucked up to the bigots and failed to say anything at Helens vile subhuman slanderous trash:nono:.....welsh bias:nono:

In your opinion of course.

Again, not Welsh bias at all.

[the truth]

In your opinion of course.

Again, not Welsh bias at all.

in the vast majority of opinions, you support the man who supports the vile subhuman slanderous bigot...welsh bias:nono:

[Fosse]

in the vast majority of opinions, you support the man who supports the vile subhuman slanderous bigot...welsh bias:nono:

Witless comment. Welshness has nothing to do with it.

[Liam-]

in the vast majority of opinions, you support the man who supports the vile subhuman slanderous bigot...welsh bias:nono:

I mean, you can keep saying it's Welsh bias all you want, it doesn't make it any less wrong, so knock yourself out with it.

[the truth]

Witless comment. Welshness has nothing to do with it.

hello joels mum:wavey:

[just thinkin]

not a hope of winning - hope he keeps digging his own grave.

[Fosse]

If Joel wins then it will be deserved..I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far including his tacit support for Helen.

[Liam-]

hello joels mum:wavey:

Joel's mum is probably a lovely lady.

[reece(:]

not a hope of winning - hope he keeps digging his own grave.
Personally it was dug weeks ago.

[Kazanne]

in the vast majority of opinions, you support the man who supports the vile subhuman slanderous bigot...welsh bias:nono:

It's quality what counts,NOT quantity,Joel can be friends with who he likes.

[the truth]

It's quality what counts,NOT quantity,Joel can be friends with who he likes.
your reply makes no sense.....joel is mates with the 2 most evil people to ever enter the house....and you call that quality ? lol

[joeysteele]

well..his mammy came on the show, so she's fair game. :colour:

Sad you can even think that, we have seen barely 10 minutes of his Mother, so if you were a housemate and your Mum was allowed to come in and give some encouragement to you, you would be really happy to think she would then get the attacks and nasty put downs you are giving Joel's Mum.

As I said, really time to part company there then,no point in trying to reason at all.
I know 100%, I would hate to think my Mum would get such treatment for a very brief appearance on a reality show for goodness sake.

[just thinkin]

Sad you can even think that, we have seen barely 10 minutes of his Mother, so if you were a housemate and your Mum was allowed to come in and give some encouragement to you, you would be really happy to think she would then get the attacks and nasty put downs you are giving Joel's Mum.

As I said, really time to part company there then,no point in trying to reason at all.
I know 100%, I would hate to think my Mum would get such treatment for a very brief appearance on a reality show for goodness sake.

id be delighted if you could point out where i 'attacked' or gave a 'nasty put down' to joels mother. The woman came on the show....bigged her son up, then bigged up the nasty bully standing beside him - hope she is regretting bigging up a bully now. I have every right to comment on her - as she was in the bb house. She choose to have her say on national tv - i chose to have my say on the forum. :laugh: Again, would be delighted to see where I attacked her on here if you could point that out it would be fabulous.

[joeysteele]

id be delighted if you could point out where i 'attacked' or gave a 'nasty put down' to joels mother. The woman came on the show....bigged her son up, then bigged up the nasty bully standing beside him - hope she is regretting bigging up a bully now. I have every right to comment on her - as she was in the bb house. She choose to have her say on national tv - i chose to have my say on the forum. :laugh: Again, would be delighted to see where I attacked her on here if you could point that out it would be fabulous.

Your put downs as to how she controls her son,which you have no idea of, your inability to see that she has watched the show and knows Marc has never said a bad thing about her Son or done anything against him.
You then put her down for supporting a bully,when all she did was thank him for looking out for him after the bunker task.

None of which in my view are appropriate or even correct and you were the one who also chose to describe her as his Mother as fair game to be got at after her very brief appearance in the house,not me.

She is probably for all you know a brilliant Mother and he a really good Son to her too.
Values you seem to infer they either don't have and need criticising for as to any influence one may have with the other.

I repeat,I would not like at all my Mother classed as fair game,(what a term), by anyone who didn't know anything about her at all really for just doing an invited and very brief appearance on a reality TV show.

[JTM45]

He's an unintelligent little follower who can't think for himself!
It should be him going this week.

[dyfed]

[:shocked:QUOTE=HBB1508;7926531]He's just following Mummy's orders - she directed him to stick with Mark by plonking that fake kiss on Mark's cheek and he is just doing what he is told!!! In my opinion of course!![/QUOTE]

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[dyfed]

Joel..the Lapdog.

You got that right..
:dog::dog::dog:

[just thinkin]

Your put downs as to how she controls her son,which you have no idea of, your inability to see that she has watched the show and knows Marc has never said a bad thing about her Son or done anything against him.
You then put her down for supporting a bully,when all she did was thank him for looking out for him after the bunker task.

None of which in my view are appropriate or even correct and you were the one who also chose to describe her as his Mother as fair game to be got at after her very brief appearance in the house,not me.

She is probably for all you know a brilliant Mother and he a really good Son to her too.
Values you seem to infer they either don't have and need criticising for as to any influence one may have with the other.

I repeat,I would not like at all my Mother classed as fair game,(what a term), by anyone who didn't know anything about her at all really for just doing an invited and very brief appearance on a reality TV show.


lol you call me commenting on what his mother actually did being 'nasty' - wow what must you think of helen and marc and their lapdog - :joker:

[just thinkin]

I see mumsy was back in front of the cameras last night - she might be better if she stayed away....doing her licckl son no favors.

[Lstan]

I was one of his biggest supporters, mainly because i wanted to do him...



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[rusticgal]

:joker: Stop making her out to be this intimidating matriarch ,she isn't she's just loud and harsh,you give her far too much credit,not that I mind,I like her.

Kazanne that's your opinion...it's not mine.
She is intimidating...and that's not credit!!...also there is nothing nasty on here. This is a topic on Joel..nothing nasty just opinions.

[just thinkin]

:bigsmile:Kazanne that's your opinion...it's not mine.
She is intimidating...and that's not credit!!...also there is nothing nasty on here. This is a topic on Joel..nothing nasty just opinions.


:clap1:

[abhorson]

Unintentionally maybe. But Joel's mum remark to Marc has killed his hope of winning. Joel got sucked in.

[Tarryn]

He was the only HM who did not grate on me UNTIL the legends came in.
Now he just seems to follow them around & is kind of ignoring his old friends.
Am I the only one who does not really like anybody in that house :shrug:

[joeysteele]

lol you call me commenting on what his mother actually did being 'nasty' - wow what must you think of helen and marc and their lapdog - :joker:

I think you were wrong to call his Mother fair game,yes.

Also yes I do think Helen and Marc are nasty and go way over the top at times.
In fact there are at least 3 now rather nasty people in there,in my view.
I have said that plenty in my posts on here.

I do not see someone being friendly with near all in the house as anyones lapdog.

You see him negatively even to deriding his Mother, I don't, I see him positively.
You can only keep pulling me up on daft petty things and I do think, with respect, we have really exhausted the point of carrying on as to that now.

[abhorson]

He was the only HM who did not grate on me UNTIL the legends came in.
Now he just seems to follow them around & is kind of ignoring his old friends.
Am I the only one who does not really like anybody in that house :shrug:

No.

I am now just going on who is the least worse. Been an mediocre bunch this year.

[just thinkin]

I think you were wrong to call his Mother fair game,yes.

Also yes I do think Helen and Marc are nasty and go way over the top at times.
In fact there are at least 3 now rather nasty people in there,in my view.
I have said that plenty in my posts on here.

I do not see someone being friendly with near all in the house as anyones lapdog.

You see him negatively even to deriding his Mother, I don't, I see him positively.
You can only keep pulling me up on daft petty things and I do think, with respect, we have really exhausted the point of carrying on as to that now.


Bubye
:xyxwave:

[just thinkin]

No.

I am now just going on who is the least worse. Been an mediocre bunch this year.

no, none of them do anything for me. Maybe if they were left alone originally it might have been a better show. We don't have a chance to get to know their personalities before the whole theme changes.