Who came across well tonight?

[lewis111]

In your opinion

[Drew.]

Anyone who didn't open their mouth

[Withano]

Chloe alone.

[lily.]

Anyone who didn't open their mouth

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[Lostie!]

Just Joel tbh. Everyone else either annoyed me or wasn't even featured.

[qwerty42]

marc harry and sam

[Locke.]

Marc and Sam

[qwerty42]

marc by far though

[Withano]

Anybody who votes for either Danny or Marc :joker:

[karezza]

Just Nick.

[Cherie]

Not a fan of Mark but I like that he is loyal to his friends and he did nothing wrong apart from asking a question :laugh:

[qwerty42]

Chloe alone.

please explain? she made herself look a twat talking about marcs lies when it was Nikki

[Livia]

None of them.

[Cherie]

Anybody who votes for either Danny or Marc :joker:

Will vote for who I like :joker:

[Withano]

Will vote for who I like :joker:

Might as well watch it on mute with your eyes shut then

[bots]

Not a fan of Mark but I like that he is loyal to his friends and he did nothing wrong apart from asking a question :laugh:

exactly, and little nick isnt capable of answering on his own :joker:

[Cherie]

Might as well watch it on mute with your eyes shut then

Expand please

[mizzy25]

Mark is a knob, Nick came across well imo

[ash2012]

MARC TO WIN.............. marc came across perfectly normal asking questions, it was the rest who were getting all riled and rattled up and agressive

[Firewire]

Sam singing along to "I'm So Excited" #LovingLife

[ash2012]

Mark is a knob, Nick came across well imo

are u for real, Nick came a across as that little bitch he is

[Daniel.]

Aisleyne and Danny

Marc came across the worst

[BENDERBOY]

Aisleyne and Danny

Marc came across the worst

I agree, he look rattled after it all.

[Patricia4]

Marc looked rattled I DONT THINK SO.

[BENDERBOY]

Marc looked rattled I DONT THINK SO.

No well you wouldn't THINK.

[rionablue]

Marc couldn't have come across well because despite the fact that he KNEW he was making the housemates uncomfortable he KEPT shooting questions at them and then disbelieving what they said. He was baiting them his buddy Helen had gone and he only had leech Sam on his side. None of them came across well if I am honest. Nick was a sap, Aisleyne went too far, Danny should have minded his own business, Chloe only made one contribution. Sam is a stupid little ass licker telling Marc she had his back. None of them should be commended for tonights rows. However Marc DID start it and there is no way he came across better than any or the others

[Daniel-X]

Marc. He asked a simple question and he knows what Judge Rinder is like. Aisleyne tripped herself up also saying my mate didn't have to pay me or whatever she said along the lines of before changing her story and bringing her mum into the situation.

He also did nothing wrong with the Nick sitaution. I'm sick of Danny trying to play the hero he's such a ****ing twat. Will be the worst winner ever if he wins (I don't know if he will or not I think it's a possibility)

Sam came across well also standing up for herself and taking on Nikki's advice in the task yet apparently it was wrong of her she can't ****ing win.

Aisleyne and Danny came across as twats and the others just sta on the fence or weren't featured.

[fitz2k2]

marc by land slide

[BENDERBOY]

Danny, at last someone willing to stand up against the forces of evil.

[fitz2k2]

Danny, at last someone willing to stand up against the forces of evil.

stand up?hes always in marc business

[lewis111]

Regardless of my opinions on Marc
Purely based on tonight show i feel he came across really well

[Vicky.]

Harry seemed rather funloving tonight, so she went up. I like her more and more the little bits we see of her now shes not so grumpy of under the duvet constantly.

Chloe, even though I was shocked earlier with her comment about Helen...it does seem shes not one to follow the crowd and hate on her just because the rest do (which must piss danny off something rotten D: )

Marc for staying calm while a screeching banshee went at him, and then Danny...

Most of all Sam! She shocked me so much.

[lewis111]

Harry seemed rather funloving tonight, so she went up. I like her more and more the little bits we see of her now shes not so grumpy of under the duvet constantly.

Chloe, even though I was shocked earlier with her comment about Helen...it does seem shes not one to follow the crowd and hate on her just because the rest do (which must piss danny off something rotten D: )

Marc for staying calm while a screeching banshee went at him, and then Danny...

Most of all Sam! She shocked me so much.

I fully agree with all of this. Harry's my fave now she's fun and happy

[JeanP!]

Marc, the man

[BB4fan]

Marc.

[Liam-]

Helen, Marc and Sam

[ThriceShy]

Anybody who votes for either Danny or Marc :joker:

Marc didn't come across badly at all.

[Withano]

Marc didn't come across badly at all.

Did you fall asleep when he told somebody that they were a liar after she swore on her recently deceased mothers grave despite knowing nothing about ITV or Judge Rinder? I was awake when this happened and thought it was despicable. Possible his lowest episode to date.

[Wizard.]

Did you fall asleep when he told somebody that they were a liar after she swore on her recently deceased mothers grave despite knowing nothing about ITV or Judge Rinder? I was awake when this happened and thought it was despicable. Possible his lowest episode to date.

There's proof that she's a liar. The swearing on her mothers grave was another sick lie to make the public think "she must be telling the truth because she's swore on her mothers grave". Liar.

[Withano]

There's proof that she's a liar. The swearing on her mothers grave was another sick lie to make the public think "she must be telling the truth because she's swore on her mothers grave". Liar.

If the proof is that tweet you just made a thread about then hahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahah

(in all seriousness, if theres something else, let me know?)

[ThriceShy]

Did you fall asleep when he told somebody that they were a liar after she swore on her recently deceased mothers grave despite knowing nothing about ITV or Judge Rinder? I was awake when this happened and thought it was despicable. Possible his lowest episode to date.


I was wide awake, red bull in hand, and I clearly saw her obviously lie. She would have signed a contract before ever appearing so she knew where the money was being paid from.

What you had there was a skank lying about something on her mothers grave and a calm rational marc taking her to task over it.

[Withano]

I was wide awake, red bull in hand, and I clearly saw her obviously lie. She would have signed a contract before ever appearing so she knew where the money was being paid from.

What you had there was a skank lying about something on her mothers grave and a calm rational marc taking her to task over it.

She swore on her Mothers grave that she didn't know that ITV would pay Michael's fine. This is the truth, it is something that there is no way Marc would know anything about and it was disgusting that he would assume that his ego knew best and would call her a liar because of it.

[ThriceShy]

She swore on her Mothers grave that she didn't know that ITV would pay Michael's fine. This is the truth, it is something that there is no way Marc would know anything about and it was disgusting that he would assume that his ego knew best and would call her a liar because of it.

How could she not know they would pay it? She would have signed a contract detailing exactly what would happen when the case was decided.

Marc made an excellent point about the fact that she went on there rather than using the small claims court.

Aisleyne was caught bang to rights. Marc did nothing wrong at all. Remember, it was estate rat Aisleyne that lunged at him forcing BB to intervene.

[Withano]

How could she not know they would pay it? She would have signed a contract detailing exactly what would happen when the case was decided.

Marc made an excellent point about the fact that she went on there rather than using the small claims court.

Aisleyne was caught bang to rights. Marc did nothing wrong at all. Remember, it was estate rat Aisleyne that lunged at him forcing BB to intervene.

To your first point; no. That isn't what a contract is. (lol)
To your second point; it was a good point, I personally think she was aiming for a career boost.
To your third point, even if Marc was absolutely correct, it is not okay to make anybody that upset, the fact that he wasn't correct and had no idea whether he was or not but went through with it anyway is disgusting. If you believe that this is Marc 'not doing anything wrong at all' then I think we'd struggle to have a rational conversation and we should quit now.

[ThriceShy]

To your first point; no. That isn't what a contract is. (lol)

I know exactly what a contract is. (roflcopter)

In fact, I studied contract law as part of my CIMA exams. If you want a contract "battle royale" then you will lose as badly as you did in our dictionary showdown.

If you want to suggest that ITV wouldn't mention in the contract that the plaintiff would receive monies from ITV in the event of winning, then nobody is going to believe you.



To your second point; it was a good point, I personally think she was aiming for a career boost.

Sad as danny then isn't she really?

Personally I think it was probably a scam where her and her "friend" shared the cash.


To your third point, even if Marc was absolutely correct, it is not okay to make anybody that upset, the fact that he wasn't correct and had no idea whether he was or not but went through with it anyway is disgusting. If you believe that this is Marc 'not doing anything wrong at all' then I think we'd struggle to have a rational conversation and we should quit now.

I thought you already had quit when I pointed out to you what "edit" and "paranoid" meant.

[ThriceShy]

A question for people who think the detail about ITV paying out wouldn't be in the contract:

If ITV, for whatever reason, failed to pay Aisleyne, then how would she sue them for breach of contract if paying her was not in the contract?

Indeed, what would be the point of the contract at all?

[Withano]

Before we move on, are you retracting this comment?

She would have signed a contract detailing exactly what would happen when the case was decided.

Orrrrr?

[ThriceShy]

Before we move on, are you retracting this comment?

She would have signed a contract detailing exactly what would happen when the case was decided.

Orrrrr?

No, I am absolutely standing by that comment.

Her contract would make it absolutely clear that, were she to win the case, ITV would pay her in such a manner by such a date. It would also say that, were she to lose, then she would not be paid. It would almost certainly also say that, were the "judge" to find her liable to pay the defendant, that she wouldn't have to pay and ITV would pay on her behalf.

[Withano]

No, I am absolutely standing by that comment.

Her contract would make it absolutely clear that, were she to win the case, ITV would pay her in such a manner by such a date. It would also say that, were she to lose, then she would not be paid. It would almost certainly also say that, were the "judge" to find her liable to pay the defendant, that she wouldn't have to pay and ITV would pay on her behalf.

I disagree. Shows don't have to explain all of this. I believe that it probably would say something more along the lines of "If you win your case, you will receive the money" I genuinely believe that she did not know that it wouldn't come out of Michaels funds and ITVs instead... And Marc (My original arument) would have no ****ing idea. TV contracts obviously do not have to explain every single detail to cover their asses, but, just enough.

[ThriceShy]

I disagree. Shows don't have to explain all of this. I believe that it probably would say something more along the lines of "If you win your case, you will receive the money" I genuinely believe that she did not know that it wouldn't come out of Michaels funds and ITVs instead... And Marc (My original arument) would have no ****ing idea. TV contracts obviously do not have to explain every single detail to cover their asses, but, just enough.

The underlined bit shows that you are exactly the kind of naive gallery that aisleyne was playing to.

A TV show which could be paying you a large sum of money on the back of a "judgement" absolutely would have to make clear where the money would come from and when it would be paid.

If it didn't contain this information then what would be the point of it? How could ITV breach it and how could aisleyne sue for a breach of it? Hmm?


Also, Marc clearly stated that he had done the show and seen the contracts. I believe him over drunk, raging attack dog aisleyne.

[Withano]

The underlined bit shows that you are exactly the kind of naive gallery that aisleyne was playing to.

A TV show which could be paying you a large sum of money on the back of a "judgement" absolutely would have to make clear where the money would come from and when it would be paid.

If it didn't contain this information then what would be the point of it? How could ITV breach it and how could aisleyne sue for a breach of it? Hmm?


Also, Marc clearly stated that he had done the show and seen the contracts. I believe him over drunk, raging attack dog aisleyne.

Marc hadn't done the show, he has done other shows which includes contracts and assumed he knew everything to ever know about it, if he did say he had done the show (which I'm sure he didn't) then he was only lying to win the argument because he has not done the show.

My only argument was that Marc has no idea about an ITV contracts or a Judge Rinder contract, and he was out of line to assume he knew it all and scream down at a woman for being a liar, when really he has no ****ing idea. This is still my only argument.

[ThriceShy]

Marc hadn't done the show, he has done other shows which includes contracts and assumed he knew everything to ever know about it, if he did say he had done the show (which I'm sure he didn't) then he was only lying to win the argument because he has not done the show.

My only argument was that Marc has no idea about an ITV contracts or a Judge Rinder contract, and he was out of line to assume he knew it all and scream down at a woman for being a liar, when really he has no ****ing idea. This is still my only argument.

Marc doesn't need to be nostradamus or a media barrister to know that the contract must contain the details of who would be paid by who at the ending of the case.

You really don't seem to understand what a contract is. It isn't an IOU, scribbled on the back of a fag packet. It is a very detailed and precise document, drawn up and inspected by expert lawyers in the field.

I will ask you again. If Aisleyne's contract did not contain the detail of ITV being the one to pay her, then what would be the point of the contract? How could aisleyne enforce a contract that didn't stipulate who would pay her and when?

[Withano]

Marc doesn't need to be nostradamus or a media barrister to know that the contract must contain the details of who would be paid by who at the ending of the case.

You really don't seem to understand what a contract is. It isn't an IOU, scribbled on the back of a fag packet. It is a very detailed and precise document, drawn up and inspected by expert lawyers in the field.

I will ask you again. If Aisleyne's contract did not contain the detail of ITV being the one to pay her, then what would be the point of the contract? How could aisleyne enforce a contract that didn't stipulate who would pay her and when?

It's a TV contract.. Every show has them.. You've applied your law degree to something very mundane..

[ThriceShy]

It's a TV contract.. Every show has them.. You've applied your law degree to something very mundane..

It isn't a "TV contract". It is a contract. Contracts are legal or they aren't. And if money is involved then they will be legal.

Contracts have to be enforceable. A contract which doesn't say who will pay you is not enforceable.

Let us dabble in a small hypothetical...

Imagine Aisleyne wasn't paid the money by ITV. What would she do then? Would her "contract" help her if it didn't contain the details of the party that were meant to pay her?


Here are the words of Judge Rinder himself:

“The production team is incredible,” says Rinder. “It takes a substantial amount of time just to get one case through the stringent compliance regime dictated by Ofcom. It is a regulatory minefield. Under Ofcom’s regulations, I can only suggest a performance be made by one party, for example, the handing back of a set of tools. I can’t oblige them to do it. But I am allowed to make awards of damages.”

http://www.legalcheek.com/2014/08/exclusive-interview-judge-rinder-on-life-as-britains-newest-reality-tv-star/

See what he says? Stringent compliance regime by ofcom!

You really think it isn't going to be made clear to participants when/if they will be paid and who will pay them?

Sorry, but you have embarrassed yourself here.

marc was absolutely in the right. And Danny knows it too judging by this tweet:

https://twitter.com/dannypaul12341/status/614927972756287488


And here, the defence case rests.:laugh:

[Withano]

It isn't a "TV contract". It is a contract. Contracts are legal or they aren't. And if money is involved then they will be legal.

Contracts have to be enforceable. A contract which doesn't say who will pay you is not enforceable.

Let us dabble in a small hypothetical...

Imagine Aisleyne wasn't paid the money by ITV. What would she do then? Would her "contract" help her if it didn't contain the details of the party that were meant to pay her?


Here are the words of Judge Rinder himself:



http://www.legalcheek.com/2014/08/exclusive-interview-judge-rinder-on-life-as-britains-newest-reality-tv-star/

See what he says? Stringent compliance regime by ofcom!

You really think it isn't going to be made clear to participants when/if they will be paid and who will pay them?

Sorry, but you have embarrassed yourself here.

marc was absolutely in the right. And Danny knows it too judging by this tweet:

https://twitter.com/dannypaul12341/status/614927972756287488


And here, the defence case rests.:laugh:

Read into it all you want, my only point was that Marc has no idea. And that I genuinely believe aisleyne didn't know the ins and outs of behind the scenes.. I still don't despite your research! It only proves what you already thought inside your own mind

[ThriceShy]

Read into it all you want, my only point was that Marc has no idea. And that I genuinely believe aisleyne didn't know the ins and outs of behind the scenes.. I still don't despite your research! It only proves what you already thought inside your own mind

There is no need for me to read into anything. I know what a contract is. And I know that a contract drawn up by ITV lawyers, concerning a show where people are awarded money, which has stringent checks on it by ofcom, will absolutely state who is going to pay who.

It really is that simple. A contract has to have the name of the party that will be paying you. If it doesn't then you might as well use it for toilet paper.

Aisleyne would also be aware of it, unless you are claiming that she didn't read the contract.