Should this year be the last civillian BB?

[Maxxie.]

In my opinion, I think it would be best if they called it a day with the civillian version after this year. The series that c5 has done has been really messy, with only BB14 being slightly bearable.

C5 are though having growing success with CBB & I used to think that they should axe summer cbb but I think it would be better if they kept that & got rid of civillian BB, at least temporarily.

If this would happen, I think it should temporarily though. Like when the UK format is axed all together, they could bring it back one last time or maybe for the 20th anniversary with a very basic BB1 style format.

Besides, this series is kinda conclusive anyways, with all the ex housemates. Bit like UBB. Timebomb may of looked better if we knew it was the last one & BB's just become not very fun to watch anymore. As long as they have more of a young cast like CBB13 which brang back some magical classic BB vibes & less of an older house like CBB15, BBUK will do fine.

[Tarryn]

I would hope it would continue but with it's original simple format.
Noms then all week voting.
No secret rooms or twists.
More normal people & less manipulating by BB.
I loved the first few series.

[zakman440]

They need to rest it for a year, have an all-stars series next year and then a proper back to basics series the year after.

[bots]

Its morphed into a show thats a different experience to traditional BB. I used to take BB seriously, no way I can now. Its not a show the requires long term time investment anymore. Join it at any time and you can see an argument or conflict to order

[mrmattybeck1]

They need to rest it for a year, have an all-stars series next year and then a proper back to basics series the year after.
Agree needs fresh producers give us all stars next year

[Maxxie.]

I'd say axe civillian bb, then when the whole format is axed. Have one last cbb in january, one last regular bb followed by an all stars. Or if BB's still going by the 20th anniversary, revive bb with a BB1 style format it'll be really retro by then.

Whats weird is there used to be no difference between watching the two and now they're definately is.

[Beetlejuice]

All they need to do is bring back the old format and stop interfering with it (which is what ruined the show in the first place)

Why people persist in saying it needs a break when it's essentially been on a break for 5 years is beyond me.

And no, no, no.... To an all star series. I don't want to see ex housemates, all of whom know each other quite well, and are much more savvy on another series.

What Big Brother needs is simple...

1. The 24/7 live coverage on...
2. A much better and more interactive website
3. 12 - 14 big personalities instead of building the show around 1 or 2
4. Normal nominations, no meddling
5. And to give the fans the sense that they are actually listening and trying

The show is where it is, not because of a tired format, but because it has been so neglected and abused over the last 5 years it's just sad to watch.

[y.winter]

I just hope this year will teach them a lesson, it was so wrong and messy in so many aspects.

[Beetlejuice]

Can I please ask people voting for the third option, to skip a year... What is the point of doing that exactly?

[Maxxie.]

If anything all stars for 2017. I think there needs to be at least a year's break from a 10 week BB series. This year's been kind of an all stars and really messy. Loads of classic characters now hate the show whenever they return. Jade Goody, Nadia, Makosi, Brian Dowling, now Brian Belo and probably Aisleyne all turned their back on BB after doing it a second time.

[Maxxie.]

Can I please ask people voting for the third option, to skip a year... What is the point of doing that exactly?

Freshens the show up a bit by giving it a bit of a break.

[Beetlejuice]

If anything all stars for 2017. I think there needs to be at least a year's break from a 10 week BB series.

There's a year's break every year

[Beetlejuice]

Freshens the show up a bit by giving it a bit of a break.

You freshen the show up by making the changes the viewers have been asking for. Giving it a break for a couple of years only to bring it back in the exact same format would be the ****s.

[Raph]

No. But revoke all the changes they put in place during bb15 and bb16

[Pete.]

No way, they just need to sort their **** out

[Jason.]

Does anyone think a C5 Civvy BB can average 1.8m/2m?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

There's a year's break every year

I think they're contactually obliged to produce some kind of Big Brother series over the summer but this would give us a break from the show, and them time to get their act together so to speak.

[Vicky.]

No. But the new way of selecting housemates via agents has got to stop. Pick the housemates from auditions only. Do not go for similar types, don't pick based on looks..or purposely look for stereotypes

Stop messing with nominations. 3+ with most votes up each week, no changes. Whole house up if a double is needed...Vote to save for each eviction

Live feed would be preferable but not realistic, so FAIR edits all round. We don't care about what characters you have decided the housemates are, we want to see how they actually are. All sides.

Re-introduce DR uncut...can replace BOTS one night. Hell even scrap BOTS all together as its a joke and put an hour or so of LF on each night

NO NEW HOUSEMATES. Even with walkers.

No ex-housemates

No outside influences of any sort. No purposely causing arguments...they occur on their own and are much more explosive than being forced every day

And my own personal recommendation...introduce a 24/7 bar, similar to bb4 ;)

[Glenn.]

Let's be honest. They aren't listening to fans and won't. They will continue to run the show into the ground that they dug it up from in 2011.

Unless they have a drastic overhaul of the format or just leave the foundations alone, it will crumble away into nothing.

[Beetlejuice]

Does anyone think a C5 Civvy BB can average 1.8m/2m?

Yes, very easily imo. But not with the awful format they currently use.

[Jason.]

They need to bring back open auditions. I have no idea why they scrapped them after BB13.

Ever since BB14, over 80% of the housemates have been recruits, have agents, or have been in the media and/or entertainment industry prior to entering the house.

Even the trashiest and most fame-hungry cast in BB history (BB12) ironically were not in the media before entering the house, and were just normal people, bar one or two.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Does anyone think a C5 Civvy BB can average 1.8m/2m?

Not the way it is now, but if they make some of the changes the fans are asking for then it may bring some of those back who have given up on the show over the years, and this would create a positive buzz which might attract the casual viewer.
:think:

[Jason.]

Yeah of course not the way it is now. But in the next few years if it improves.

[Beetlejuice]

No. But the new way of selecting housemates via agents has got to stop. Pick the housemates from auditions only. Do not go for similar types, don't pick based on looks..or purposely look for stereotypes

Stop messing with nominations. 3+ with most votes up each week, no changes. Whole house up if a double is needed...Vote to save for each eviction

Live feed would be preferable but not realistic, so FAIR edits all round. We don't care about what characters you have decided the housemates are, we want to see how they actually are. All sides.

No reason why the live feed isn't realistic. Versions of Big Brother in poor countries with low viewing figures have the live coverage.

[LukeB]

I don't know because it's been a mess for 2 years now and BB17 might not be any different.

[Glenn.]

They need to have open auditions again with actual real people and not recruits. The basic format of nominations EVERY week, no alterations whatsoever. Rule breaks treated with severity. And lastly, live feed.

It would absolutely flourish if we were able to watch whenever we wanted: that's the attraction with BB. Or it was back in the glory days.

[MB.]

Skip a year, do a proper all stars series next summer and take time to re-think their approach to civilian BB.

[Vicky.]

No reason why the live feed isn't realistic. Versions of Big Brother in poor countries with low viewing figures have the live coverage.

I only said its unrealistic as c5 appear to not want it back fullstop. Apparently once the show has 5m viewers they will do it :rolleyes:

I would pay for a live feed. As would many others. It would offset any additional cost they reckon they will incur from putting it even online..but they won't even consider it

I do not think BB is BB without live feed

[Jason.]

I don't think skipping a year would help, TBH.

[Maxxie.]

Does anyone think a C5 Civvy BB can average 1.8m/2m?

Well secrets & lies got 1.9, I think it can be done but only in the ways i've suggested.

[Jason.]

Apparently Ben Frow wants live feed or some shizzle like that?

By live feed, does mean 24/7 or just an hour a night or something?

[Glenn.]

The money they could of potentially earn if they charged for an online feed. If 1m people signed up for £1 that's £1m in the pot for them.

[Jason.]

Well secrets & lies got 1.9, I think it can be done but only in the ways i've suggested.

BB13 would've almost got around 1.8/1.9m had the Olympics not shattered the ratings.

I think they could've got 2m for BB15, had the series not been Power Trip, and have a better cast, better theme or even no theme, and a better production.

Before BB15 launched, we already had BB14 which did well, and almost gained 2m, not to mention the attention CBB13 got earlier in the year as well. Then they went down the Power Trip route, which killed it.

[Glenn.]

C4 charred something like £14.99 for a series pass right?

[Jason.]

How much were the passes for BB11?

[Glenn.]

I think it was £14.99.

[Glenn.]

500,000 people sign up to £14.99 series pass= £7,495,000

I can't believe they aren't doing it tbh

[Beetlejuice]

I only said its unrealistic as c5 appear to not want it back fullstop. Apparently once the show has 5m viewers they will do it :rolleyes:

I would pay for a live feed. As would many others. It would offset any additional cost they reckon they will incur from putting it even online..but they won't even consider it

I do not think BB is BB without live feed

If they made a really good website with the live coverage and other features, I would pay a subscription fee.

I did that for BB11, but all they were offering was the live feed and that was it. I'd pay for it, just for that, but if they want more people to be involved they need to create something worth spending on.

[Beetlejuice]

I think it was £14.99.

Can't remember. Something like that. Probably a bit too much given what was on offer. Get the price down to 9.99, have people be able to pay with their phone credits as well as the normal ways and have loads of features and easy to access archival footage, like every episode of every series just waiting there for you to re-watch, and I think it could be a winner.

Anything that displays some inspiration on their part would be nice. Instead of just prodding away at people until they lash out at each other

[Jason.]

I think it was £14.99.

That's a reasonable price. I don't see why they don't do live feed packages.

Yearly Package = £30 (Save £1)
24/7 Live Feed for Big Brother and both series of Celebrity Big Brother in January and August.

Summer Package = £23
24/7 Live Feed for Big Brother and Summer Celebrity Big Brother

Separate Live Feed Passes -
Big Brother = £15
Celebrity Big Brother = £8 (per series)

That way, the viewers who want live feed can pay for it, and Channel 5 get something out of it, instead of airing it for free. Which also covers Channel 5's cost excuse for not having it in the first place, as it is making them money.

[Beetlejuice]

BB13 would've almost got around 1.8/1.9m had the Olympics not shattered the ratings.

I think they could've got 2m for BB15, had the series not been Power Trip, and have a better cast, better theme or even no theme, and a better production.

Before BB15 launched, we already had BB14 which did well, and almost gained 2m, not to mention the attention CBB13 got earlier in the year as well. Then they went down the Power Trip route, which killed it.

Yep, the Power Trip theme was awful. And they earnt such bad will from the viewers with Helen. And having given us 2 hours worth of live coverage every night from Midnight, we went back to having next to nothing. So stupid on their part after having moved in the right direction.

[Jason.]

Yep, the Power Trip theme was awful. And they earnt such bad will from the viewers with Helen. And having given us 2 hours worth of live coverage every night from Midnight, we went back to having next to nothing. So stupid on their part after having moved in the right direction.

Exactly.

By March 2014, we already had a great season of BB and an amazing series of CBB.

Then they screw it up, a few months later. The fact that BB15's ratings were low from the moment after the 2nd launch suggests that those additional 0.3m who tuned into BB14 were not interested after the first launch and didn't bother tuning in again.

[Lostie!]

As long as they have more of a young cast like CBB13 which brang back some magical classic BB vibes & less of an older house like CBB15, BBUK will do fine.

CBB15 was the highest rated series of BB on C5, and I personally think easily the best celebrity series in general, I don't think they need to steer away from a CBB15-style series to "do fine". Quite the opposite, in fact.

Unpopular opinion, but I think CBB13 (while good) was overrated. I will rewatch it at some point I think, though.

[Jason.]

CBB15 was the highest rated series of BB on C5, and I personally think easily the best celebrity series in general, I don't think they need to steer away from a CBB15-style series to "do fine". Quite the opposite, in fact.

Unpopular opinion, but I think CBB13 (while good) was overrated. I will rewatch it at some point I think, though.

Didn't you like CBB3 or CBB4?

[Lostie!]

Didn't you like CBB3 or CBB4?

I haven't seen them yet. :laugh:

Sorry, I should have clarified I meant out of the ones I've seen (from CBB5 onwards). I still need to watch those two though, I know they're popular. :)

[Jason.]

I haven't seen them yet. :laugh:

You'll love them. They're fantastic.
CBB4 would probably replace CBB15 as you're favourite.

CBB3 may be your 3rd or 4th in the list depending how much you like CBB13 and CBB9.

I'm just making assumptions. It's your opinion :laugh:

[Ramsay]

The thought of BB only being CBB makes me sick

[James]

500,000 people sign up to £14.99 series pass= £7,495,000

I can't believe they aren't doing it tbh

It was reported that the BB11 and UBB live feed on Channel 4 got 80,000 subscribers. They wouldn't get that number on Channel 5.

[Beetlejuice]

Apparently Ben Frow wants live feed or some shizzle like that?

By live feed, does mean 24/7 or just an hour a night or something?

Fame Academy had a live feed from 9 in the morning to Midnight. They could do something like that for a web feed, only perhaps till a bit later, say 2 am.

In regards to cost issues. Money could be saved by...

1. Having a subscription charge that is worth paying
2. Putting less celebrities in the 2 series (Just cut down on 2 or maybe 3 and you'd probably save yourself well over £100k)

[James]

And normal Big Brother is better than Celebrity. Better for this forum too, with more people getting involved in it, over the course of the series.

[Beetlejuice]

It was reported that the BB11 and UBB live feed on Channel 4 got 80,000 subscribers. They wouldn't get that number on Channel 5.

Didn't a lot of people get it for free? And I'm sure Oathy used to mention something about them not being allowed to make money out of it for some reason. I was always a bit confused about this issue.

[James]

They gave away 1000 free passes before it started. I got one of them. :hugesmile:

[Ashley.]

:joker: can we just get a new production team?

[Beetlejuice]

80,000 subscribers?

If they lowered the price, made what you're paying for more substantial, and allowed people to pay for passes with their phone credits (so younger people can pay) they could get more than that imo.

80,000 x 10 quid?

£800,000

That's got to be worth trying/

[Glenn.]

It was reported that the BB11 and UBB live feed on Channel 4 got 80,000 subscribers. They wouldn't get that number on Channel 5.

If it was still at £14.99. That still well over £1million.

Even at £10 it's £800,000. I'm sure that would cover the cost a bit.

[Withano]

Yes, unless they do acomplete 180.. They don't do much right.

[James]

If it was still at £14.99. That still well over £1million.

Even at £10 it's £800,000. I'm sure that would cover the cost a bit.

Yeah, guess so, if they priced it right. I guess Internet bandwidth would be the biggest cost, and subscriptions could cover that. But we can't be sure without knowing all the figures.

But even with a few tens of thousands of subscribers you are only going to have a few thousand, at most, watching at any one time. They probably don't think it is worth doing, for that amount of extra Internet buzz it would generate.

[Maxxie.]

Didn't you like CBB3 or CBB4?

CBB3 was so dull!!! It was tv gold for the Jackie Stallone days but probably one of the weakest series imo.

[Maxxie.]

So paid live feed, did they have ads in them? & that tweet tweet stuff you get on tv?

[bots]

i think C5 would be lucky to get 10k subscribers to a live feed at £10 which would generate them a measly £100k. Compare that to what they would earn with sensible advertising on a normal channel and its just not worth it

[Maxxie.]

They should do it on the app & keep advertising it on bb. That makes it so simple to pay & they should have hour, day, week & series passes. This would work even better on cbb as well!

[Beetlejuice]

Yeah, guess so, if they priced it right. I guess Internet bandwidth would be the biggest cost, and subscriptions could cover that. But we can't be sure without knowing all the figures.

But even with a few tens of thousands of subscribers you are only going to have a few thousand, at most, watching at any one time. They probably don't think it is worth doing, for that amount of extra Internet buzz it would generate.

You can never measure the worth of "buzz" though. The thing about BB14 and then the CBB with Davidson is that it earned them a lot good will as well. That's one of the reasons it has been such a disappointment the last couple of years.

It just always seemed obvious to me that in the age of twitter and other forms of 24/7 social media, that the live coverage lent it self very well to that.

All they need to do is add some extras. For example... An exclusive diary room feed- to go along with the main feed - every Sunday at a fixed time for when they do nominations. So you know who is up there and then. And then the following day you could do a save and replace task (which I always liked) at a fixed time.

Bring back BBLB (Instead of BOTS which has always been awful) and you can start the noms straight after that finishes on a Sunday lunchtime. Maybe even show the first nomination and then tell people if they want to see who will be up go to the website now and watch it as it unfolds. Do some kind of web version of BIg Brother's Big Mouth with Iain Lee as well. He's much funnier when he's given the freedom to do what he wants.

There are so many extra features they could add and as long as they advertise it all well, it could be great again. It's got to be better than coming up with ever more desperate stunts each week to contrive drama that soon becomes insufferable.

[rionablue]

Absolutely not. I far prefer it to Celebrity Big Brother. I know I am in the minority but I prefer a series that runs more than three weeks

[emptynest]

I would hope it would continue but with it's original simple format.
Noms then all week voting.
No secret rooms or twists.
More normal people & less manipulating by BB.
I loved the first few series.

Yes do this :cheer::cheer:

[Beetlejuice]

i think C5 would be lucky to get 10k subscribers to a live feed at £10 which would generate them a measly £100k. Compare that to what they would earn with sensible advertising on a normal channel and its just not worth it

BB11 had viewing figures of about 2.7 million. The best series on Channel 5 managed to get up to 1.9

And there was literally nothing else on offer with the live feed. Throw in some of the extras we've been talking about, and allow people to pay via various methods, including by phone credit, and you'll probably not be far off that. The hardcore fans have remained the same I suspect. There's more people using the internet these days as well.

And you can have extra advertising on the website.

[Northern Monkey]

Yes!It's gone to ****!

[thediaryroomchair]

Please rest the civilian series and return it in 2017. The next series should be the best of Big Brother and then BB17 and BB18 return with some of the Channel 4 production team who actually knew what they were doing.

[GiRTh]

Agree with OP. This series has been awful. The legends were in the house too long, had too much influence and way too much airtime. I struggled to watch all the 'legend' episode so am not quite sure what gong on at the moment. I lost interest a long time ago and so I dont care who wins at all. For me none of them deserve it cuz none of them have had a narrative running for the whole show, putting the legends in made sure of that.

I dont want to see last years HMs' in the house or HM's who are considered legends; I want to see THIS years crop and in this series they've faded into the background while 'legends' sorted out their personal beefs on screen. That isnt what I want to see.

SO I agree if this is how BB is gonna go for the next few years then you can definitely count me out.

[Daniel-X]

I think they should give it one more try next year. If it fails again then I do think it may be time to call it a day with Civilian BB. It's clear that the one thing what needs to happen is for them to stop with the producer meddling and constant twists. BB13 is the best C5 series and I think one of the classics I've seen 3-16 (with the exception of 4). BB13 had very little twists or producer manipulation and it is the best C5 series by quite a way.

I think if BB17 fails for them it's time to do an all stars in 2017 and then call it a day with civilian BB. BB17 will be the making or breaking of BB's future I think.

[y.winter]

I think they should give it one more try next year. If it fails again then I do think it may be time to call it a day with Civilian BB. It's clear that the one thing what needs to happen is for them to stop with the producer meddling and constant twists. BB13 is the best C5 series and I think one of the classics I've seen 3-16 (with the exception of 4). BB13 had very little twists or producer manipulation and it is the best C5 series by quite a way.





I think if BB17 fails for them it's time to do an all stars in 2017 and then call it a day with civilian BB. BB17 will be the making or breaking of BB's future I think.



This. They'll have to end their contract way before 2018.

[ItWasJustBanter]

The "legends" ruined this series.

Leave it as it was first day but cause more mind games for the housemates.

[joeysteele]

No, I would hate another series with ex housemates again however so no more like this series for me.