Wa Marc really THAT Intelligent or Just More Intelligent Than Most Of The HM s ?

[cfromhx02]

I put it to you that Marc wasn't that intelligent.He was only more intelligent than most of the HM s and most of the people on BOTS and in Crowd for example

and let's face it you don't have to be that intelligent to be more intelligent than them ?

I could point you to the words he didn't understand the meaning of and his misunderstandings of other things as proof that he wasn't that intelligent but I won't bother because I know some will not pay attention to or take my comments on board.

[alex_front2]

I think he was smart.

So as much as I disliked him he understood how to get under so many people's skin except Nick who he knew didn't give a crap. He knew how to take advantage of scenarios, how to get AT, how to get the the best out of his personality, when to hold back e. g. he didn't Lord it over Aisleyne when he became a Hotel bb2 guest as we expected, knew how to process information eg he knew he was popular from the moment Sam and Marc in their first week were chosen as the newbies to nominate rather than himself, he knew how to differentiate himself from the others, he knew to align himself with week Hms, I've Showbiz, he knew how to show different sides of his personality e. g. SCIENCE MARC, when to be nice. Shrewd maybe a better word.

[ebandit]

........so shrewd he did not even make it through his 1st eviction.........

how happy he is with that will depend on his BB contract............how

much he is in demand for future shows?

Mark L

[alex_front2]

EBANDIT, I am not a Marc fan, but I am not going to make out he was a thicko just because I didn't like him. Helen was dumb but got to final and won - with a pass. Marc was Unlucky as he was up against weak hms in a VTE which favours bores like Sam. Had Marc gone up against a Danny he would have stayed. He was trying to break the clique, but he ran out of time.


Marc loos like a DUMB fake tanned tattooed muscle Mary airhead TOWIE reject - he knows this - and he used it to lull people into a slight false sense of his non stupidity. :joker:

[BENDERBOY]

The name of the game is to survive week by week, he was out the very first time he was up proper, not that smart really.

[jennyjuniper]

The name of the game is to survive week by week, he was out the very first time he was up proper, not that smart really.

When you have done 4 years in the army, then gone on to take a degree in chemistry, then you can flap your lips about Marc not being very smart.:nono:

[BENDERBOY]

When you have done 4 years in the army, then gone on to take a degree in chemistry, then you can flap your lips about Marc not being very smart.:nono:

I've done 9 years in the army and have a degree in Nuclear Physics.

Lips flapping. :dance:

[the truth]

HES AN IDIOT. so he has a few qualifications big deal, his social skills are poor his judgement was appalling and he has serious behavioural issues

[ItWasJustBanter]

I put it to you that Marc wasn't that intelligent.He was only more intelligent than most of the HM s and most of the people on BOTS and in Crowd for example

and let's face it you don't have to be that intelligent to be more intelligent than them ?

I could point you to the words he didn't understand the meaning of and his misunderstandings of other things as proof that he wasn't that intelligent but I won't bother because I know some will not pay attention to or take my comments on board.

List these infractions oh wise one.

[y.winter]

A pond in a desert, nothing to get overwhelmed by.

[jennyjuniper]

I've done 9 years in the army and have a degree in Nuclear Physics.

Lips flapping. :dance:

Yeah right:sleep:

[JamesBond]

He's def a smart guy, however being stuck in a house full of halfwits with the exception of Joel made him look like an evil genius.

[ebandit]

but he could have been self aware enough..........not to look like an

evil genius...................

Mark L

[Gusto Brunt]

He's doing a Phd isn't he...

[bots]

no one in that house has been particularly intelligent. Joel, is most certainly not intelligent, and Marc was just more intelligent than the rest of them

[y.winter]

He's doing a Phd isn't he...

If it stands for Pathetic Horrid D***head, then yes. :hee:

[abhorson]

Not very smart with the use of the letter H in words!

[joeysteele]

Yes to both counts, he is intelligent and also was more intelligent than the rest of them in the house too.

[Gusto Brunt]

If it stands for Pathetic Horrid D***head, then yes. :hee:

:hehe:

[mimosveta]

I put it to you that Marc wasn't that intelligent.He was only more intelligent than most of the HM s and most of the people on BOTS and in Crowd for example

and let's face it you don't have to be that intelligent to be more intelligent than them ?

I could point you to the words he didn't understand the meaning of and his misunderstandings of other things as proof that he wasn't that intelligent but I won't bother because I know some will not pay attention to or take my comments on board.

If he's smarter than crowd, he's already smarter than average. If so, that is smart, that's how smart is defined.

[Jose Mourinho]

Hes tactical, methodicAl, but not quite so smart as he was very see through and clearly got his gameplan wrong.

[BB4fan]

He's def a smart guy, however being stuck in a house full of halfwits with the exception of Joel made him look like an evil genius.

Yea Definetly.

And let's not forget that his friendship with Helen didn't really fall on whether he was smart or not. He was very loyal to her unlike the others and like he mentioned in his interview to Emma he wasn't prepared to stab a friend in the back like the others would.

[jet]

There is more than one type of intelligence. He may be academically smart, but he would get an F minus in 'how to win friends and influence people' as the majority of the HM's and the public didn't like him as much as he believed they would, or should. He is a terrible judge of his own character and the effect it has on others. He thinks he's the dogs bollocks and a great laugh and that everyone should love him and 'get' him, but he's really just a pumped up little self - important man with an inflated ego and a cruel line of 'banter'. Maybe getting the boot out of the house will teach him some humility, but I doubt it.

[JamesBond]

There is more than one type of intelligence. He may be academically smart, but he would get an F minus in 'how to win friends and influence people' as the majority of the HM's and the public didn't like him as much as he believed they would, or should. He is a terrible judge of his own character and the effect it has on others. He thinks he's the dogs bollocks and a great laugh and that everyone should love him and 'get' him, but he's really just a pumped up little self - important man with an inflated ego and a cruel line of 'banter'. Maybe getting the boot out of the house will teach him some humility, but I doubt it.

At what point did Marc say he wanted to win friends and influence people? He said he wanted to stir **** up.

He showed he was smart and everyone including the housemates and presenters of the show had to admit it even if they personally didn't like him.

I don't remember him taking exams and handing in coursework while in the big brother house. Clearly they weren't referring to him being academically smart.

[jet]

At what point did Marc say he wanted to win friends and influence people? He said he wanted to stir **** up.

He showed he was smart and everyone including the housemates and presenters of the show had to admit it even if they personally didn't like him.

I don't remember him taking exams and handing in coursework while in the big brother house. Clearly they weren't referring to him being academically smart.

If Marc had stirred **** up AND won friends and influenced people in the house and out of it he'd have walked away as the winner so problem. He wasn't socially smart enough to get the balance right. He showed a nicer side too rarely. Coming across as a grade A prick and a cocky sod 80% of the time isn't a very intelligent path to success with people. So academically smart, yes; socially smart, hell no!

[JamesBond]

If Marc had stirred **** up AND won friends and influenced people in the house and out of it he'd have walked away as the winner so problem. He wasn't socially smart enough to get the balance right. He showed a nicer side too rarely. Coming across as a grade A prick and a cocky sod 80% of the time isn't a very intelligent path to success. So academically smart, yes; socially smart, hell no!

This is laughable, for you to even suggest that he went out of his way to try and make friends but failed is a joke.

He said what he wanted to do and he did it. Anything beyond that is speculation and not worth me even trying to explain to you.

He even went out of his way to say that the notion of housemates genuinely entering the house to make friends was bull****. He made such a big deal out of it that he would have been called a hypocrite if he had done so himself.

[jet]

This is laughable, for you to even suggest that he went out of his way to try and make friends but failed is a joke.

He said what he wanted to do and he did it. Anything beyond that is speculation and not worth me even trying to explain to you.

He even went out of his way to say that the notion of housemates genuinely entering the house to make friends was bull****. He made such a big deal out of it that he would have been called a hypocrite if he had done so himself.

Did you even read all of my post? I didn't suggest that he tried to make friends and failed. I said if he HAD tried to make friends and influence people favourably as well as **** stir he would have won. He got kicked out as soon as he was up, so he wasn't as smart as he made himself out to be, with all his going on about how educated he was. A degree doesn't win you BB, making a stir and being genuinely likeable at the same time does. He probably thought being nasty like Helen with few redeeming features was what the public wanted now, but unfortunately for him he didn't have a free pass to the final and the producers could only get him so far.

[JamesBond]

Did you even read all of my post? I didn't suggest that he tried to make friends and failed. I said if he HAD tried to make friends and influence people favourably as well as **** stir he would have won. He got kicked out as soon as he was up, so he wasn't as smart as he made himself out to be, with all his going on about how educated he was. A degree doesn't win you BB, making a stir and being genuinely likeable at the same time does. He probably thought being nasty like Helen with few redeeming features was what the public wanted now, but unfortunately for him he didn't have a free pass to the final and the producers could only get him so far.


This is an embarrassing debate, you didn't address any of my point and just decided to ramble on about what you think he should have done.

I should just let you argue by yourself at least that way you'll feel like you kinda won.

[jet]

This is an embarrassing debate, you didn't address any of my point and just decided to ramble on about what you think he should have done.

I should just let you argue by yourself at least that way you'll feel like you kinda won.

:laugh: You know I'm right so you just throw out an insult instead of admitting it. How embarrassing for you. :hehe:

[Ellen]

There is more than one type of intelligence. He may be academically smart, but he would get an F minus in 'how to win friends and influence people' as the majority of the HM's and the public didn't like him as much as he believed they would, or should. He is a terrible judge of his own character and the effect it has on others. He thinks he's the dogs bollocks and a great laugh and that everyone should love him and 'get' him, but he's really just a pumped up little self - important man with an inflated ego and a cruel line of 'banter'. Maybe getting the boot out of the house will teach him some humility, but I doubt it.

Agree :thumbs:
Just because you are academically intelligent it does not mean you are intelligent on all levels.

[alex_front2]

There is more than one type of intelligence. He may be academically smart, but he would get an F minus in 'how to win friends and influence people' as the majority of the HM's and the public didn't like him as much as he believed they would, or should. He is a terrible judge of his own character and the effect it has on others. He thinks he's the dogs bollocks and a great laugh and that everyone should love him and 'get' him, but he's really just a pumped up little self - important man with an inflated ego and a cruel line of 'banter'. Maybe getting the boot out of the house will teach him some humility, but I doubt it.

But that was his game plan. He didn't want to win friends, he wanted to stand out and whether I liked him or not I could see he was easily the most popular and most unpopular. Let's be honest one really hates Cristian and Sam as they are too dull to dislike. If Mr Irish Banter wanted to be full time Mr Nice he would have been Danny/Cristian #3, but would have been less popular as he doesn't have their looks. By being Mr Controversial he guaranteed AT, a large cult following and a certain protection and favouritism from the producers, who now have 45mins to fill of Chloe's nice girl shtick, Nick picking his nose and Joel interviewing in a patronising voice. I loathe Marc, but to claim he is not intelligent is, well not intelligent IMHO.

Don't make me defend Marc, ta. :joker:

[BigBuk]

But that was his game plan. He didn't want to win friends, he wanted to stand out and whether I liked him or not I could see he was easily the most popular and most unpopular. Let's be honest one really hates Cristian and Sam as they are too dull to dislike. If Mr Irish Banter wanted to be full time Mr Nice he would have been Danny/Cristian #3, but would have been less popular as he doesn't have their looks. By being Mr Controversial he guaranteed AT, a large cult following and a certain protection and favouritism from the producers, who now have 45mins to fill of Chloe's nice girl shtick, Nick picking his nose and Joel interviewing in a patronising voice. I loathe Marc, but to claim he is not intelligent is, well not intelligent IMHO.

Don't make me defend Marc, ta. :joker:

One of the few people of this website that don't let their hatred of a HM cloud their judgement.:clap1:

[jet]

But that was his game plan. He didn't want to win friends, he wanted to stand out

I've already addressed this point in posts just above, Alex. :)

[jet]

One of the few people of this website that don't let their hatred of a HM cloud their judgement.:clap1:

I don't hate Marc, I just think he's an absolute prick. There is only one HM I have actually hated over the years and it isn't him.

[BigBuk]

I don't hate Marc, I just think he's an absolute prick. There is only one HM I have actually hated over the years and it isn't him.

He is a prick, he's a self-confessed prick, that's why I like him. Probably my favourite HM of all time, don't know how people can say he isn't intelligent because he went out the first time he went up. That has nothing to do with his intelligence. If he had been quiet like the rest of them (boring) he wouldn't have went but then people like myself wouldn't have liked him.

[alex_front2]

If we lazily equate intelligence with BB eviction survival week in week out, ladies and gentlemen.....our Time Warper Brian Bello (although I've never bought 100% his 'I'm thick, me' act, after all he invented TOWIE and successfully sued ITV) survived eviction and won. Hardly Sir Tim HuntHunt was Brian.

[Jose Mourinho]

But that was his game plan. He didn't want to win friends, he wanted to stand out and whether I liked him or not I could see he was easily the most popular and most unpopular. Let's be honest one really hates Cristian and Sam as they are too dull to dislike. If Mr Irish Banter wanted to be full time Mr Nice he would have been Danny/Cristian #3, but would have been less popular as he doesn't have their looks. By being Mr Controversial he guaranteed AT, a large cult following and a certain protection and favouritism from the producers, who now have 45mins to fill of Chloe's nice girl shtick, Nick picking his nose and Joel interviewing in a patronising voice. I loathe Marc, but to claim he is not intelligent is, well not intelligent IMHO.

Don't make me defend Marc, ta. :joker:You see this is why I dislike the game players, they made Big brother to be a "reality" show, that would possibly show peoples TRUE emotions and responses in regard to conflict, attraction, anger and many other emotions. I think yes, people come on the show and try to MAKE it entertaining by coming up with some sort of gameplan but I think its all gone a bit OTT now. Imagine a show full of gameplayers like Marc who try to cause shizzz jst to entertain the crowd.. might aswell watch a movie, cuz it would all be scripted inside ones mind or on a piece of paper it makes no difference. Is reality TV even real anymore?

[jet]

If we lazily equate intelligence with BB eviction survival week in week out, ladies and gentlemen.....our Time Warper Brian Bello (although I've never bought 100% his 'I'm thick, me' act, after all he invented TOWIE and successfully sued ITV) survived eviction and won. Hardly Sir Tim HuntHunt was Brian.

But we're talking BB survival smarts here...not academic intelligence. Which brings me full circle to my original point - there is more than one kind of intelligence.

[JamesBond]

:laugh: You know I'm right so you just throw out an insult instead of admitting it. How embarrassing for you. :hehe:

I proved you were wrong, it's not me that needs to admit anything. If you want me to admit something make a valid point that has something to back it up.

Let me help you out, all you need to do is prove that Marc went into the house to make friends and be liked. Use facts and not just what your own game plan would have been.

Mate if you think that was an insult you're insulted far too easily. I simply told you that if you can't address the points made then personally it's a waste of my time to have a debate with you on the subject. I'm sure you've heard a lot worse.

[JamesBond]

But that was his game plan. He didn't want to win friends, he wanted to stand out and whether I liked him or not I could see he was easily the most popular and most unpopular. Let's be honest one really hates Cristian and Sam as they are too dull to dislike. If Mr Irish Banter wanted to be full time Mr Nice he would have been Danny/Cristian #3, but would have been less popular as he doesn't have their looks. By being Mr Controversial he guaranteed AT, a large cult following and a certain protection and favouritism from the producers, who now have 45mins to fill of Chloe's nice girl shtick, Nick picking his nose and Joel interviewing in a patronising voice. I loathe Marc, but to claim he is not intelligent is, well not intelligent IMHO.

Don't make me defend Marc, ta. :joker:

Thank you.

Why is this so hard for other people to understand?

[REDCROP]

Of course he was intelligent......articulate, quick witted, humorous, devious, charming, duplicitous, annoying, self deprecating, addictive viewing and not only able to read every body and every situation but also gave really good advice to people who trusted his opinion.. A BRILLIANT HOUSE MATE

He didn't get evicted because he is stupid he got evicted because so many viewers are stupid.....

If the house was fire bombed i know where he'd be....helping everyone he cud while Danny, Sam and Christian run for the door

[jet]

I proved you were wrong, it's not me that needs to admit anything. If you want me to admit something make a valid point that has something to back it up.

Let me help you out, all you need to do is prove that Marc went into the house to make friends and be liked. Use facts and not just what your own game plan would have been.

Mate if you think that was an insult you're insulted far too easily. I simply told you that if you can't address the points made then personally it's a waste of my time to have a debate with you on the subject. I'm sure you've heard a lot worse.

*sigh* My goodness, you still haven't read my posts properly. I have already told you that he didn't go into the house to make friends and be liked but it would have been better for him if he had as well as stirring things up as it would have been a better balance and might have got him the win. I've put it in bold so you can't miss it this time.

[RichardG]

The name of the game is to survive week by week, he was out the very first time he was up proper, not that smart really.

:clap1:

[JamesBond]

*sigh* My goodness, you still haven't read my posts properly. I have already told you that he didn't go into the house to make friends and be liked but it would have been better for him if he had as well as stirring things up as it would have been a better balance and might have got him the win. I've put it in bold so you can't miss it this time.

*sigh* I did say

" Use facts and not just what your own game plan would have been. "

I didn't use bold, maybe I should have.

[jet]

*sigh* I did say

" Use facts and not just what your own game plan would have been. "

I didn't use bold, maybe I should have.

You said to prove to you that Marc went into the house to make friends and be liked. As I never at any time said he did, I didn't need to prove anything other than the fact that I didn't say it.

[JamesBond]

You said to prove to you that Marc went into the house to make friends and be liked. As I never at any time said he did, I didn't need to prove anything other than the fact that I didn't say it.

Lmao, it must have been me talking about making friends and influencing people. Good thing you didn't put that in bold.

So if you're admitting he didn't go in to make friends, then you can't say he's not smart because he couldn't get people to like him.

Which was your initial point right?

Pretty much saying he's academically smart but he's not street smart because he couldn't win people over.

That was your point, but feel free to change it to suit your argument at anytime.

[ebandit]

.......the dumbest think mark did was to insult.........then imagine he

could just make it up by being considerate later............................

........ah well?

Mark L

[alex_front2]

Ashleigh Coyle ‏@ashleighcoyle22
#bbmarc 'it's the irish in me, were raging swearing alcoholics' ������ @bbuk


:joker: Preach it Ashleigh

[jet]

Lmao, it must have been me talking about making friends and influencing people. Good thing you didn't put that in bold.

So if you're admitting he didn't go in to make friends, then you can't say he's not smart because he couldn't get people to like him.
Which was your initial point right?

Pretty much saying he's academically smart but he's not street smart because he couldn't win people over.

That was your point, but feel free to change it to suit your argument at anytime.

No, I'm saying he's not smart for not realizing that he needed to get people to like him. I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself...:bored:

[ItWasJustBanter]

.......the dumbest think mark did was to insult.........then imagine he

could just make it up by being considerate later............................

........ah well?

Mark L

The irony is delicious mate.:joker:

[ebandit]

The irony is delicious mate.


you read any claim that i'm..............intelligent?

Mark L

[JamesBond]

No, I'm saying he's not smart for not realizing that he needed to get people to like him. I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself...:bored:

So you think he didn't know that you needed to be liked to win a popularity contest ?

Keep trying mate.

[abhorson]

Marc was more intelligent than the rest of them on many certain levels but not on others. But i really could not care less now. He has gone. Move on.

[DemolitionRed]

but he could have been self aware enough..........not to look like an

evil genius...................

Mark L

This is the post I agree with the most.

A man who is academically bright doesn't necessarily use that same brightness within his social circle. Marc had very little social awareness other than what he was being told from those coming into the house and he seemed to totally rely on that gift of knowledge rather than being able to sum himself up.

Academically clever but socially inept.

[JamesBond]

Some people are failing to realise that he didn't go in the house to make friends, they assume that he lacks the ability to make friends on the outside world which is a totally different thing.

[jet]

So you think he didn't know that you needed to be liked to win a popularity contest ?

Keep trying mate.



He thought he had no need to try to be liked as he thought his so called 'charm' and banter (which was mostly cruel and nasty) would have the majority of the public doting on him automatically for the 'entertainment' he was bringing. He was wrong and got shown the door = not socially smart. As I've said, he should have shown more of his nicer side to redress the balance.

[JamesBond]

He thought he had no need to try to be liked as he thought his so called 'charm' and banter (which was mostly cruel and nasty) would have the majority of the public doting on him automatically for the 'entertainment' he was bringing. He was wrong and got shown the door = not socially smart. As I've said, he should have shown more of his nicer side to redress the balance.

There's a pattern forming here, get proven wrong and reply with your own thoughts and ideas on how he should have played the game.

I'd be happy to discuss it further if you want to open a thread outlining how you think Marc should have played the game. Because let's be honest that's all you've talked about.

[jet]

There's a pattern forming here, get proven wrong and reply with your own thoughts and ideas on how he should have played the game.

I'd be happy to discuss it further if you want to open a thread outlining how you think Marc should have played the game. Because let's be honest that's all you've talked about.

I have no idea what you are talking about; I have remained consistent throughout this discussion of Mark's intelligence or lack of it in certain areas, whereas you consistently misunderstand what I say over and over again and go off on a different tack every time. I'm sure you agree that it's boring now. I'm out. wavey:

[JamesBond]

I have no idea what you are talking about; I have remained consistent throughout this discussion of Mark's intelligence or lack of it in certain areas, whereas you consistently misunderstand what I say over and over again and go off on a different tack every time. I'm sure you agree that it's boring now. I'm out. wavey:

Sure pal, that must be it.