Joel - Utterly self serving slimeball move

[Beetlejuice]

Taking the "moral highground" in an effort to draw attention to himself and his principled stance, when in actual fact he just wants to stand out to win a vote.

Typical politician.

[joeysteele]

No,he was genuine I say in saying he'd make no decision who was evicted and he didn't,of course Danny found it very easy to dictate how the vote should go.

I admired Joel even more for his stance on that issue.

[Withano]

Any moment in particular or is this just a rant?

[just thinkin]

Theyre priming to give him the win I think...rent a crowd joel fans tonight between posters ant the bbots headers...he makes my skin crawl personally

[Vicky.]

I wonder what would have happened if they all refused to vote... :think:

[Withano]

Oh, the bit where they evicted Sam? Perfectly plausible that any or all of them wouldn't want to be included in the vote

[Beetlejuice]

No,he was genuine I say in saying he'd make no decision who was evicted and he didn't,of course Danny found it very easy to dictate how the vote should go.

I admired Joel even more for his stance on that issue.

You get the politicians you deserve. If you can't see through that, then I can't help you

[Pete.]

Danny was the ringleader in getting Sam out

[Beetlejuice]

Oh, the bit where they evicted Sam? Perfectly plausible that any or all of them wouldn't want to be included in the vote

And yet he was ready to stand up to announce it.

[Lampfan]

He's the new target. Funny to watch.

A little know it all but I hope he wipes the floor with them

[jessicadanielle]

So annoying. Spends all week asking people what they would do in serious cash bomb situations, then when one arises, decides to rid himself of any responsibility.

[Beetlejuice]

Danny was the ringleader in getting Sam out

Yes, and Joel was the one who seized an opportunity to try and make himself look good whilst others would have to take responsbility for a nasty decision.

That was the move of a slimeball politician.

[joeysteele]

I wonder what would have happened if they all refused to vote... :think:

I actually thought they may have followed Joel as to that but they worried more about the 'financial' consequences.
So Danny made sure enough voted in the end, in fact he more or less told them how to vote.

[Lampfan]

And yet he was ready to stand up to announce it.

The big man Danny didn't :laugh:

[Withano]

And yet he was ready to stand up to announce it.

Big brother told him personally to stand up and announce he group decision.. The fact that he didn't want to make a decision and the fact that he stood up when told are two separate issues. Im not sure what your argument is

[joeysteele]

You get the politicians you deserve. If you can't see through that, then I can't help you

:joker: I don't need any help,I intend to try to be one someday soon.

[just thinkin]

Joel....I refuse to vote....joel..guys tell me who to say...

Joel vote is carried for sam. Translation....you do the dirty work for me and ill deliver the news. Conclusion. ..if he didnt want to be part of it he should have wslked away... verdict..slimy coward

[BENDERBOY]

They all should have declined to vote anyone out, it was a sh@t move by the production company, they knew Sam would be the one they picked no matter how much money was on her card.

[joeysteele]

Joel....I refuse to vote....joel..guys tell me who to say...

Joel vote is carried for sam. Translation....you do the dirty work for me and ill deliver the news. Conclusion. ..if he didnt want to be part of it he should have wslked away... verdict..slimy coward

You cannot walk away when BB insists you stay on the sofas.
Joel refused to vote,then once the others did vote a decision was made and it was bb who told Joel to stand up and say who the group had chosen, still without any vote from him.

He kept his integrity and avoided the whole group having further punishments too.

[rusticgal]

No,he was genuine I say in saying he'd make no decision who was evicted and he didn't,of course Danny found it very easy to dictate how the vote should go.

I admired Joel even more for his stance on that issue.

A decision HAD to be made and he bottled it....she would have gone regardless of the figure she had in her hand. Joel obviously cannot handle pressure. His moral high ground doesn't come into play when he starts interviewing people with his intimidating questions. PRAT!!

[joeysteele]

They all should have declined to vote anyone out, it was a sh@t move by the production company, they knew Sam would be the one they picked no matter how much money was on her card.

I think that may have come about had Danny not taken over and made his reasons for choosing Sam, then the rest followed,except for Joel.

I really did hope when Joel said he was not going to vote at all as to it,that just about all the others, like Nick,Cristian and Jack,at least,would have supported Joel on this.

No way would Chloe have gone against Danny.

[joeysteele]

Yes, and Joel was the one who seized an opportunity to try and make himself look good whilst others would have to take responsbility for a nasty decision.

That was the move of a slimeball politician.

Being fair, Joel was the very first to speak and he said right off that he was not voting in it at all.

Danny manipulated the votes in the end with his stance.

[jessicadanielle]

You cannot walk away when BB insists you stay on the sofas.
Joel refused to vote,then once the others did vote a decision was made and it was bb who told Joel to stand up and say who the group had chosen, still without any vote from him.

He kept his integrity and avoided the whole group having further punishments too.

He did kind of vote though, he said he wanted to keep Chloe. Just sayin.

[joeysteele]

He did kind of vote though, he said he wanted to keep Chloe. Just sayin.

How was that a vote, he couldn't vote to keep someone they had to vote one out.

[Pete.]

And yet he was ready to stand up to announce it.
As much as I hate joel he was told to do it by bb

[jessicadanielle]

How was that a vote, he couldn't vote to keep someone they had to vote one out.

I said that he kind of voted. Some of your comments say "Joel said he wasn't going to vote at all" etc. but to basically veto one person is sort of a vote for the other two. He didn't stay completely out of it like your comments suggest.

[Beetlejuice]

Joel knew full well that a vote was going to take place. He just wanted to be seen abstaining. I can't believe how naive some of you are to what he did.

[joeysteele]

I said that he kind of voted. Some of your comments say "Joel said he wasn't going to vote at all" etc. but to basically veto one person is sort of a vote for the other two. He didn't stay completely out of it like your comments suggest.

I ask again, how was that a vote it was an opinion not a vote, no one was asked who they wanted to save, they were told to vote one out and he refused to do so.

You know it was you who challenged me on my original comments as to Joel,not vice versa.

[Beetlejuice]

Being fair, Joel was the very first to speak and he said right off that he was not voting in it at all.

Yes, he saw an opportunity to draw attention to himself. That was the move of a politician who wanted to be seen taking a principled stance. In reality it was a self serving move designed to make him look better than the others that he knew would make a decision.

Danny manipulated the votes in the end with his stance.

I don't like Danny, but he did what he was asked to do. he didn't manipulate anything. It was obvious they were all going to agree on Sam over Jack or Chloe.

[rusticgal]

Danny was the ringleader in getting Sam out

They had 30 seconds to make a decision. It was always going to be Sam even if she had the 1,000 card. Joel was the first to speak to opt out of any responsibility..Danny led the way like he always does because a decision HAD to be made. The others were always going to say Sam but they didn't want to speak up. Someone has to take the bull by the horns...Joel bottled it and left it to the others to make them look bad...just like he always does.

[Withano]

Joel knew full well that a vote was going to take place. He just wanted to be seen abstaining. I can't believe how naive some of you are to what he did.

He only said what he was thinking. You're reading too much into it.

[Trasadkel1]

A decision HAD to be made and he bottled it....she would have gone regardless of the figure she had in her hand. Joel obviously cannot handle pressure. His moral high ground doesn't come into play when he starts interviewing people with his intimidating questions. PRAT!!

I feel the same. He does everything with that sneer on his face too. This past week he has been pretty unbearable and highly annoying. What bemuses me is when he asks his intimidating questions why doesn't someone just turn around and tell him to get lost.

[Beetlejuice]

He only said what he was thinking. You're reading too much into it.

Nope. Everything about the way he went about doing that said "Look at me taking my principled stance... Celebrate me, vote for me!"

[vafunghoul]

No,he was genuine I say in saying he'd make no decision who was evicted and he didn't,of course Danny found it very easy to dictate how the vote should go.

I admired Joel even more for his stance on that issue.

Bingo, well said.
/thread.

[joeysteele]

Yes, he saw an opportunity to draw attention to himself. That was the move of a politician who wanted to be seen taking a principled stance. In reality it was a self serving move designed to make him look better than the others that he knew would make a decision.



I don't like Danny, but he did what he was asked to do. he didn't manipulate anything. It was obvious they were all going to agree on Sam over Jack or Chloe.

I see it differently, once Joel had said that, all of them could have followed his line.
he didn't and couldn't know for sure they would not do so.

I would have loved to see what would have happened as Vicky said, had they all said the same as Joel and refused to make a decision.

Joel made the very first comment the minute BB revealed the twist,anything could have happened,he couldn't know what would.
he still totally stood by his decision however even when they all caved in after Danny spoke.

[Beetlejuice]

Bingo, well said.
/thread.

False call.

Slimeball politician trying to stand out from the others to win a vote.

[jessicadanielle]

I ask again, how was that a vote it was an opinion not a vote, no one was asked who they wanted to save, they were told to vote one out and he refused to do so.

You know it was you who challenged me on my original comments as to Joel,not vice versa.

Whether it's a vote or an opinion, it still contributed to the outcome, which is why I think to say "Joel wasn't voting at all" isn't quite correct. If you want no part in the outcome, why give any opinion?

Not sure what you're trying to suggest by your second comment.

[Beetlejuice]

I see it differently, once Joel had said that, all of them could have followed his line.
he didn't and couldn't know for sure they would not do so.

Of course he bloody did. And he didn't try to persuade the others. He simply said he would abstain.



Joel made the very first comment the minute BB revealed the twist,anything could have happened,he couldn't know what would.
he still totally stood by his decision however even when they all caved in after Danny spoke.

He jumped on the opportunity. Of course he stood by his decision... That was the ****ing point. To stand out and look principled. In truth it was a highly manipulative and self serving move.

[Beetlejuice]

He's done what he needed to do. He's got people actually buying into his bull**** and supporting him. He's standing out from the rest. Well played Mr. Slimeball Politician.

[Withano]

Nope. Everything about the way he went about doing that said "Look at me taking my principled stance... Celebrate me, vote for me!"

Nah i disagree, there was no way he calculated all of that in the split second. He just said what he was thinking out loud, it isn't uncommon in or outside of the show (for politicians and non-politicians)

[Lampfan]

Joel knew full well that a vote was going to take place. He just wanted to be seen abstaining. I can't believe how naive some of you are to what he did.

And?

Your man Jack was after taking dosh. He shifts from side to side more than MC Hammer when making his choice. Cowardly big man. Shady.

[joeysteele]

Whether it's a vote or an opinion, it still contributed to the outcome, which is why I think to say "Joel wasn't voting at all" isn't quite correct. If you want no part in the outcome, why give any opinion?

Not sure what you're trying to suggest by your second comment.

It didn't though.because he didn't vote and therefore made no contribution other than to say he hoped Chloe would stay.
He spoke first,he had no idea how all of them may have voted when a vote was actually done,

His decision to not vote at all, was his opinion of how wrong the twist was,still not a vote just an opinion.
Clearly he likes Chloe,however he couldn't vote to save her, he had to vote to evict someone.
That is the whole point, he said he would not and did not vote.

[Beetlejuice]

And?

Your man Jack was after taking dosh. He shifts from side to side more than MC Hammer when making his choice. Cowardly big man. Shady.

Jack is totally honest. Sometimes he doesn't know what to do, and he stresses over it.

Everything Joel does is calculated. EVERYTHING. And what you saw tonight was him desperately trying to be seen in a certain way by the audience to help his cause.

[joeysteele]

He's done what he needed to do. He's got people actually buying into his bull**** and supporting him. He's standing out from the rest. Well played Mr. Slimeball Politician.

What has his politics to do with anything, you seem to not be seeing any good in him you don't like his politics or politicians in general.

That is fair enough but I look at him differently and I strongly disagree with you on this issue,unlike many other issues where I do agree with you.
We will just have to agree to disagree here.

[vafunghoul]

I'm glad Joel's composure and vocabulary piss people off. Exposes those who feel threatened by younger intellectuals or have issues with certain politicos. Fun to read.
In the game, his moves have been brilliant and he deserves the win. The rest are huge hypocrites acting like they are best friends for the camera's while they have their heart set on the prize.
Be honest. Go Joel.

[joeysteele]

I'm glad Joel's composure and vocabulary piss people off. Exposes those who feel threatened by younger intellectuals or have issues with certain politicos. Fun to read.
In the game, his moves have been brilliant and he deserves the win. The rest are huge hypocrites acting like they are best friends for the camera's while they have their heart set on the prize.
Be honest. Go Joel.

I am happy to return the favour, well said, I agree with all you say above.

[Beetlejuice]

What has his politics to do with anything, you seem to not be seeing any good in him you don't like his politics or politicians in general.

I have no problem with conservatism. My problem is with a guy behaving like a slimeball politician.

[Beetlejuice]

I'm glad Joel's composure and vocabulary piss people off. Exposes those who feel threatened by younger intellectuals or have issues with certain politicos. Fun to read.

The issue is with how disingenuous he is.

In the game, his moves have been brilliant and he deserves the win. The rest are huge hypocrites acting like they are best friends for the camera's while they have their heart set on the prize.
Be honest. Go Joel.

And he's a total fraud. Being anything but honest.

[jessicadanielle]

It didn't though.because he didn't vote and therefore made no contribution other than to say he hoped Chloe would stay.
He spoke first,he had no idea how all of them may have voted when a vote was actually done,

His decision to not vote at all, was his opinion of how wrong the twist was,still not a vote just an opinion.
Clearly he likes Chloe,however he couldn't vote to save her, he had to vote to evict someone.
That is the whole point, he said he would not and did not vote.

Ok. The way I see it is to say "I'm completely abstaining... but we shouldn't evict Chloe" is not completely abstaining, it affects the outcome even if it is not a vote for someone. You clearly see it differently :)

[Lampfan]

Jack is totally honest. Sometimes he doesn't know what to do, and he stresses over it.

Everything Joel does is calculated. EVERYTHING. And what you saw tonight was him desperately trying to be seen in a certain way by the audience to help his cause.

Yes, and stressing it too much speaks volumes. Coward. His shifting eyes speak volumes.

Joel is smart. Yes he asks too many questions and thinks he's smarter than them but he is. It's not hard to be smarter than that lot. I'm coming around to Jack btw, don't hate him. The way his supposed BFF, Chloe has treated him since she thought he was unpopular is horrible. Dropped him like a bad habit.

[Beetlejuice]

.
Joel is smart. Yes he asks too many questions and thinks he's smarter than them but he is

He's not smart, because they're all on to him. It's a shame the viewers aren't.

[Withano]

He's not smart, because they're all on to him. It's a shame the viewers aren't.

The viewers aren't smart because the majority do not think the same way as you do. Oh okay.

[Lampfan]

He's not smart, because they're all on to him. It's a shame the viewers aren't.

No, they've found the new weak one of the pack. Always happens. This one can stand his own ground. I admire that.

[vafunghoul]

He's not smart, because they're all on to him. It's a shame the viewers aren't.

They are all insecure and feel threatened by him.
Huge difference.

The James Bond wannabe Danny couldn't even spell CANOE for god's sakes.
These are complete buffoons. They're all so stupid they could get locked in a pantry and starve to death.

[Lampfan]

They are all insecure and feel threatened by him.
Huge difference.

The James Bond wannabe Danny couldn't even spell CANOE for god's sakes.
These are complete buffoons. They're all so stupid they could get locked in a pantry and starve to death.

Wait... not being able to spell canoe isn't hilarious?...

[Beetlejuice]

No, they've found the new weak one of the pack. Always happens. This one can stand his own ground. I admire that.

Hahaha. Hilarious. Joel both the principled housemate and the latest victim...

Excuse me a second whilst I roll on the floor laughing... :spin:

[Beetlejuice]

The viewers aren't smart because the majority do not think the same way as you do. Oh okay.

Yes, actually. The viewers aren't smart, whereas I am. Invariably this will happen.

[marlobrando2]

A 19 years boy Joel with immense integrity.Instantly he noticed there is unfairness in this eviction and he objected to it.The others especially Danny was keen on the 15 k and was happy to throw Sam under the bus.Danny never even said a word such as 'this is unfair.

Total disgusting they are and only Joel got my respect.I wanted Marc to win but now i will happily give Joel the WIN.He deserve it.Watch Danny and Cloe will bitch about Joel and start argument to bring him down in the next few days.

[Lampfan]

Hahaha. Hilarious. Joel both the principled housemate and the latest victim...

Excuse me a second whilst I roll on the floor laughing... :spin:

He's no victim. He's too smart for those idiots to be a victim.

Shall I call James Dyson to hoover you up?

[Beetlejuice]

A 19 years boy Joel with immense integrity.

A 19 year old manipulative wannabe politician who saw an opportunity to abstain from voting and take a moral position knowing full well he'd look better than all the others by doing so and doing everything he could to make a point of it. No integrity, just sliminess. No wonder we have the politicians we have when people can't see through something so obvious.

Instantly he noticed there is unfairness in this eviction and he objected to it.The others especially Danny was keen on the 15 k and was happy to throw Sam under the bus.Danny never even said a word such as 'this is unfair.

Danny recognised that someone had to make the decision. And he was the one to do it. I don't like the guy but he was far less manipulative tonight than Joel was.

Total disgusting they are and only Joel got my respect.I wanted Marc to win but now i will happily give Joel the WIN.He deserve it.Watch Danny and Cloe will bitch about Joel and start argument with to bring him down.

You've been conned mate.

[vafunghoul]

A 19 years boy Joel with immense integrity.Instantly he noticed there is unfairness in this eviction and he objected to it.The others especially Danny was keen on the 15 k and was happy to throw Sam under the bus.Danny never even said a word such as 'this is unfair.

Total disgusting they are and only Joel got my respect.I wanted Marc to win but now i will happily give Joel the WIN.He deserve it.Watch Danny and Cloe will bitch about Joel and start argument to bring him down in the next few days.

Exactly!
Glad someone gets it. Agree with everything.

[Beetlejuice]

He's no victim. He's too smart for those idiots to be a victim.

Shall I call James Dyson to hoover you up?

He's not smart though. Marc was smart. Joel is just articulate. Something he's been taught how to be in preparation for being a politician.

[Beetlejuice]

Exactly!
Glad someone gets it. Agree with everything.

No, you are not getting it. You are falling for it.

[JamesBond]

I wonder what would have happened if they all refused to vote... :think:

BB would have instantly crowned Danny the winner. :joker:

[vafunghoul]

No, you are not getting it. You are falling for it.

Then I suggest you read your own post, it applies to you if that is your stance.
Don't try to ram your opinions down others throats.



:wavey:

[marlobrando2]

A 19 year old manipulative wannabe politician who saw an opportunity to abstain from voting and take a moral position knowing full well he'd look better than all the others by doing so and doing everything he could to make a point of it. No integrity, just sliminess. No wonder we have the politicians we have when people can't see through something so obvious.

Danny has been intimidating them with aggressive behaviour for a long time.He got them to do what he wants,Danny is a vile piece of Shiite.



Danny recognised that someone had to make the decision. And he was the one to do it. I don't like the guy but he was far less manipulative tonight than Joel was.



You've been conned mate.

Danny has been intimidating them with aggressive behaviour for a long time.He got them to do what he wants,Danny is a vile piece of Shiite.

[Beetlejuice]

Then I suggest you read your own post, it applies to you if that is your stance.
Don't try to ram your opinions down others throats.



:wavey:

Goodbye. I fear for this country when people can't see through such obvious stunts.

[Lampfan]

He's not smart though. Marc was smart. Joel is just articulate. Something he's been taught how to be in preparation for being a politician.

Didn't proclaim him to be the next Einstein. He can run circles around what's left. My point.

Politician?... So what?.. Good luck to him. i don't care what they have done or want to do. Danny is a fake, Chloe has little princess syndrome, Nick is a f@nny, Jack forgot to grow up. MJC reckons he's a rapper but should stick to fetish vids... so Joel is my winner :)

[Beetlejuice]

Danny has been intimidating them with aggressive behaviour for a long time.He got them to do what he wants,Danny is a vile piece of Shiite.

They were all going to vote Sam out regardless. The idea Danny caused that is f'n ridiculous. The whole point of the producers doing that was because they knew the originals would vote out Sam over Jack and Chloe. And Joel knew it. He just wanted to be seen taking a moral stance. How people cannot see through that is actually hilarious to me.

Christ Almighty.

[Beetlejuice]

Didn't proclaim him to be the next Einstein. He can run circles around what's left. My point.

Only because he's more articulate than them and been in a debating soceity for years no doubt.

Politician?... So what?.. Good luck to him. i don't care what they have done or want to do. Danny is a fake, Chloe has little princess syndrome, Nick is a f@nny, Jack forgot to grow up. MJC reckons he's a rapper but should stick to fetish vids... so Joel is my winner :)

Joel is the most obvious fake. Like I said... A slimeball politician.

[vafunghoul]

Goodbye. I fear for this country when people can't see through such obvious stunts.

I see through Danny's, Chloe's and Jack's bull****. Same for Cristian's but that kid has made for much of it.

Joel is more honest than the others I mentioned combined. You just dislike him and cannot handle anyone who doesn't share your opinion. Why?
:shrug::joker:

[Beetlejuice]

I see through Danny's, Chloe's and Jack's bull****. Same for Cristian's but that kid has made for much of it.

Joel is more honest than the others I mentioned combined. You just dislike him and cannot handle anyone who doesn't share your opinion. Why?
:shrug::joker:

I can't handle people being so naive. it is extremely frustrating to me to see such things.

[iToby]

I don't like Danny, but he did what he was asked to do. he didn't manipulate anything. It was obvious they were all going to agree on Sam over Jack or Chloe.

Right...So ye missed the bit where Fanny mouthed an instruction to Dohl telling him to pick Ham, ( or rather, the fifteen grand for his prize fund ) It's pretty damn obvious that Fanny Wisker has been convinced by the earlier intruders in the house telling him he's doing very well with the public. Why, I have no idea as every time he opens his mouth it's to scream at someone to stop shouting at him or 'SHAT APP'...'SHAT APP'. The guy couldn.t hold a conversation with a string pull action man...just the type to win BB. Why is it that all the past BB heads on the after shows are English? Is it perhaps because all the Irish BB HM's over the years got real jobs in TV and newspapers? Sorry I have to discount spiral as we still can't find the A'hole (his own) that he disappeared up. More later, p'r'aps.

[Lampfan]

Only because he's more articulate than them and been in a debating soceity for years no doubt.



Joel is the most obvious fake. Like I said... A slimeball politician.

Well, I'm afraid that's bullplop. Danny is the most obvious fake this year and that is obvious. Chloe next. That's why they love each other.

Pathetic the way she has turned on Jack.

[Beetlejuice]

Well, I'm afraid that's bullplop. Danny is the most obvious fake this year and that is obvious. Chloe next. That's why they love each other.

Pathetic the way she has turned on Jack.

Danny, Chloe and Joel are all fakes.

[vafunghoul]

I can't handle people being so naive. it is extremely frustrating to me to see such things.

So let's get this straight.
ANYONE who doesn't share your opinion is naive yes?
In essence you are calling me naive.

Oh my, how WILL I go on?

:laugh:


Those gosh darn politicos. Excuse me, slimy politicos.
Oh mercy. :laugh: Too funny.

[Beetlejuice]

Right...So ye missed the bit where Fanny mouthed an instruction to Dohl telling him to pick Ham, ( or rather, the fifteen grand for his prize fund ) It's pretty damn obvious that Fanny Wisker has been convinced by the earlier intruders in the house telling him he's doing very well with the public. Why, I have no idea as every time he opens his mouth it's to scream at someone to stop shouting at him or 'SHAT APP'...'SHAT APP'. The guy couldn.t hold a conversation with a string pull action man...just the type to win BB. Why is it that all the past BB heads on the after shows are English? Is it perhaps because all the Irish BB HM's over the years got real jobs in TV and newspapers? Sorry I have to discount spiral as we still can't find the A'hole (his own) that he disappeared up. More later, p'r'aps.

:shrug:

[Beetlejuice]

So let's get this straight.
ANYONE who doesn't share your opinion is naive yes?
In essence you are calling me naive.

In this particular instance... Yes.



Those gosh darn politicos. Excuse me, slimy politicos.
Oh mercy. :laugh: Too funny.

Not every politician is a slimeball, though these days almost all of them are, and Joel is very much a slimeball politician. That was an example of him campaigning for himself. It had nothing whatsoever to do with taking a principled stance. Sad to see people can't see these things for what they are. It's why the likes of Blair and Cameron are such perfect front men for parties today.

[Lampfan]

Danny, Chloe and Joel are all fakes.

2 out of 3 aint bad.

[Beetlejuice]

2 out of 3 aint bad.

Yes, you got 2 out of the 3 fakes right. Shame you can't see the other one for what he is.

[vafunghoul]

In this particular instance... Yes.





Not every politician is a slimeball, though these days almost all of them are, and Joel is very much a slimeball politician. That was an example of him campaigning for himself. It had nothing whatsoever to do with taking a principled stance. Sad to see people can't see these things for what they are. It's why the likes of Blair and Cameron are such perfect front men for parties today.

Thanks for the attempt to educate on politics.
I'm in America and we have Obama, arguably the worst President since Carter. All kidding aside...
I deliberately typed/phrased my last post as it would have been written by Joel just to get your ire because I figured you out a while ago.
You completely missed it. You take this way too serious with your disdain for politicians. Glad Joel gives you a target to voice that displeasure. Carry on. This is hysterical.

[Lampfan]

Yes, you got 2 out of the 3 fakes right. Shame you can't see the other one for what he is.

Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.

Time for you to disappear.

[Beetlejuice]

Thanks for the attempt to educate on politics.
I'm in America and we have Obama, arguably the worst President since Carter. All kidding aside...

Obama is a slimeball politician in the mould of Clinton, Blair and Cameron.

I deliberately typed/phrased my last post as it would have been written by Joel just to get your ire because I figured you out a while ago.
You completely missed it. You take this way too serious with your disdain for politicians. Glad Joel gives you a target to voice that displeasure. Carry on. This is hysterical.

My disdain is for Joel and what he did tonight. Which is just typical of modern day slimeball politicians. Just as typical is people not being able to see it for what it is.

[vafunghoul]

Obama is a slimeball politician in the mould of Clinton, Blair and Cameron.



My disdain is for Joel and what he did tonight. Which is just typical of modern day slimeball politicians. Just as typical is people not being able to see it for what it is.

I'd bet money you have a crush on him. Admit it.

:laugh:

[Beetlejuice]

I'd bet money you have a crush on him. Admit it.

:laugh:

I do quite like Abba. But real men should always be willing to admit this.

[jet]

I think Joel likes to see himself as highly principled and in many ways probably is. He said right away that he didn't want to be a part of it, which is all fine and dandy except a decision had to be made and BB was going to make sure it was, as they all knew...you don't go on BB to opt out when it comes to making hard choices....as for Danny, he may be as thick as a plank, but he has leadership abilities and somebody had to make a decision, and quickly, so he took the lead and did. I think it is that simple really.
The outcome was never in question anyway - it was always going to be Sam.
Imo, Joel and Danny behaved true to form. Not a fan of either, by the way.

[vafunghoul]

I do quite like Abba. But real men should always be willing to admit this.

Real men don't try to ram their opinions down others throats.
Trying to convince me about Joel or yourself?

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[Withano]

Yes, actually. The viewers aren't smart, whereas I am. Invariably this will happen.

I used to know this guy who said he got a lot of pussy, he didn't get any.

[Beetlejuice]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/lol_ricky_gervais.gif

My least favourite person in the world. :yuk:

[Beetlejuice]

I used to know this guy who said he got a lot of pussy, he didn't get any.

I know a guy who makes it look like he's taking a principled stance when in actual fact he's just a self serving creep... His name is Joel.

[camertone]

it was too stupid thing to take any part in it.

[jet]

I know a guy who makes it look like he's taking a principled stance when in actual fact he's just a self serving creep... His name is Joel.

Principled stances are often a way of opting out of making hard choices and letting someone else take the heat....

[Beetlejuice]

Principled stances are often a way of opting out of making hard choices and letting someone else take the heat....

Yep. Whilst you bask in the glory

[reece(:]

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-60-joel-takes-his-anger-out-danny-and-cristian

[Mick]

Joel appeared to maintain his integrity and my first thought was well done you.but he is an intelligent guy and what I have noticed throughout the show is that his mind does a very quick compute of all possible answers and implication's of answering the most innocent of questions before giving a response.

By refusing to participate in the vote he put himself in a win win situation and this happened with a favourable outcome for himself.I wonder if the other HMs have worked this out but even if so they will know they are on dangerous ground by challenging him about it.

The over night betting markets have gone a little bonkers and will settle down later but currently an amazing turnaround with betfair now showing Chloe as the new fav Joel 2nd Jack 3rd and Danny now 4th.I suspect that most of this is down to that task.

[Josy]

Eh? Danny was the one that was adamant it should be Sam, there was nothing wrong with Joel waiting for a majority decision...

[Vanessa]

Eh? Danny was the one that was adamant it should be Sam, there was nothing wrong with Joel waiting for a majority decision...

I agree.

[dyfed]

Taking the "moral highground" in an effort to draw attention to himself and his principled stance, when in actual fact he just wants to stand out to win a vote.

Typical politician.

:clap1::clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Vanessa]

I think he's hilarious. 19 going on 91. A bit of a grumpy old man. :joker:

[bots]

joel is a calculating, smarmy git

[jennyfromtheblock8]

Tory boy enough said

[Kizzy]

So annoying. Spends all week asking people what they would do in serious cash bomb situations, then when one arises, decides to rid himself of any responsibility.

I agree, he did his best to worm out of being part of the jury but relished the role of judge.

[REDCROP]

Big brother told him personally to stand up and announce he group decision.. The fact that he didn't want to make a decision and the fact that he stood up when told are two separate issues. Im not sure what your argument is

They don't have an argument these people ....They only have opinions and negative statements with nothing to back it up ....its not fair ...its not fair....its a fix....Of course it's not fair ...its not supposed to be fair. ..its 150 grand ....what are they expecting to watch ? Long Lost Family ? ... Sam went fair and square, the only real shock was how she lasted so long, and Joel played a blinder ..made himself look sincere while making Danny look greedy....exactly what Chloe did 3 days ago ...different being that Joel hasn't spent the previous 8 weeks pretending to be Mother Thereza ...
Joel is a brilliant game player ....now we can all sit back as he goes in on Chloe to expose her for what she really is for those poor viewers who have no brain and still haven't worked it out yet

[waterhog]

Taking the "moral highground" in an effort to draw attention to himself and his principled stance, when in actual fact he just wants to stand out to win a vote.

Typical politician.

i am no tory but i admire that.

[billy123]

They are all insecure and feel threatened by him.
Huge difference.

The James Bond wannabe Danny couldn't even spell CANOE for god's sakes.
These are complete buffoons. They're all so stupid they could get locked in a pantry and starve to death.FFS Joel thought chickens layed eggs through a hole under their beaks not exactly brains of Britain himself is he.

[joeysteele]

Ok. The way I see it is to say "I'm completely abstaining... but we shouldn't evict Chloe" is not completely abstaining, it affects the outcome even if it is not a vote for someone. You clearly see it differently :)

Yes I do,strongly so.
The only person who really affected the outcome of this eviction was not in anyway Joel but Danny who made his pitch for Jack and Chloe and throwing Sam to the dogs.

I just wish 2 things could have happened.
1) that the housemates joined Joel and refused to 'vote to evict' any of the 3 eligible to go in this unnecessary and shocking twist.
or
2) that Chloe had got the £15,000 to then see what Danny would have set out to influence then.

[Trasadkel1]

Anyone who thought that Joel abstained from the vote for any other reason than to make himself look good must be deluded. Joel knew exactly what he was doing. The only reason it worked was because Danny was so keen to get the £15,000 added to the prize fund, he did he usual stance of taking over and put his vote in for Sam to be evicted. It would have been far more interesting if they had all stuck together to see what BB would have done.

If they had started counting down the prize fund would Joel have been so keen to stick to his decision.

[joeysteele]

Anyone who thought that Joel abstained from the vote for any other reason than to make himself look good must be deluded. Joel knew exactly what he was doing. The only reason it worked was because Danny was so keen to get the £15,000 added to the prize fund, he did he usual stance of taking over and put his vote in for Sam to be evicted. It would have been far more interesting if they had all stuck together to see what BB would have done.

If they had started counting down the prize fund would Joel have been so keen to stick to his decision.



I actually think yes, because he likely in reality doesn't need the money, however he would like to be the winner of BB as anyone going into the house would.

He knows by now, going against BB brings penalties,he showed he wasn't bothered as to the prize fund with the pizza issue,and the prize fund was far lower at that time than it was last night.

Joel said his bit right off at the start, before anyone had said a word really.I actually give him credit for that,whereas Danny immediately counteracted that stand,and made his case for not only voting but also who to vote out.

Still Joel did not vote.I still say to his credit.
Then again I like him, you don't.

I dare bet had another hm/s said they were not going to vote at all in this, they would probably be termed wonderful for that.

[vafunghoul]

The ones who fall for shallow phonies like Cristian and Danny tend to dislike someone being truer to the person they are OUTSIDE the house.
Joel's voice/accent has never wavered like Cristian's, who trying to act the part of a celeb/performer.
Joel's never told anyone to shut up repeatedly nor shown aggression because he couldn't verbally force a house mate to succumb to his way of thinking. He allows others to have opinions.
You find him annoying, you find him smarmy. I get it. I really do. But of all that phoney dredge left in there he is the most real and most secure.
I thought I'd want Nick to win but he should turn his balls into society if he can find them. The rest of them have been bigger phonies all season.

[billy123]

The ones who fall for shallow phonies like Cristian and Danny tend to dislike someone being truer to the person they are OUTSIDE the house.
Joel's voice/accent has never wavered like Cristian's, who trying to act the part of a celeb/performer.
Joel's never told anyone to shut up repeatedly nor shown aggression because he couldn't verbally force a house mate to succumb to his way of thinking. He allows others to have opinions.
You find him annoying, you find him smarmy. I get it. I really do. But of all that phoney dredge left in there he is the most real and most secure.
I thought I'd want Nick to win but he should turn his balls into society if he can find them. The rest of them have been bigger phonies all season.Its Series not season and in your utter bollocks talking and calling other members shallow phonies you seem to have presumed that people who think Joel is a slimy little prick are fans of Cristian or Danny.
Your post is very poor 2/10

[Beetlejuice]

i am no tory but i admire that.

No one has said anything about being Tory or Labour. The point is that what he did was attempt to draw attention to himself taking a principled position which if he really believed in he would walk out of the house in protest over. But he doesn't. What he saw was an opportunity to try and make himself look good and to go on to smear his opponents as not being so.

If he has a problem with the rules, he should take it to the production team and walk out. Then and only then would I respect him.

[Beetlejuice]

Its Series not season and in your utter bollocks talking and calling other members shallow phonies you seem to have presumed that people who think Joel is a slimy little prick are fans of Cristian or Danny.
Your post is very poor 2/10

Yep, I personally don't like Danny. Couldn't really care less about Cristian. And only really like Jack, though he is not without his failings.

[Kazanne]

Tory boy enough said

Nowt wrong with Tory boys we have a good one as PM.

[vafunghoul]

Its Series not season and in your utter bollocks talking and calling other members shallow phonies you seem to have presumed that people who think Joel is a slimy little prick are fans of Cristian or Danny.
Your post is very poor 2/10

Season.
Big Brother Season.
Read it again. Big Brother was made world famous in the US after they improved upon the dutch series and each year of Big Brother is called a SEASON.
This is my first BBUK SEASON. You want to call it a Series, have at it.

:laugh::wavey:

[Beetlejuice]

[/B]

Yes I do,strongly so.
The only person who really affected the outcome of this eviction was not in anyway Joel but Danny who made his pitch for Jack and Chloe and throwing Sam to the dogs.

The people who affected the outcome were the production team who knew full well what they were doing. The housemates have signed up to a show where they have a choice... Either protest against the rules the production team come up with or go along with them. Danny chose the latter and Joel, rather than protest against the production team, chose to smear his fellow housemates.

I just wish 2 things could have happened.
1) that the housemates joined Joel and refused to 'vote to evict' any of the 3 eligible to go in this unnecessary and shocking twist.
or
2) that Chloe had got the £15,000 to then see what Danny would have set out to influence then.

What I would have liked to seen happen is Joel show that he really is principled by taking his complaint to Big Brother/Producers and walking out in disgust. Will he do that? No. Because what he's engaged in is little more than political point scoring as a vote to win has opened.

[Kazanne]

[/B]


I actually think yes, because he likely in reality doesn't need the money, however he would like to be the winner of BB as anyone going into the house would.

He knows by now, going against BB brings penalties,he showed he wasn't bothered as to the prize fund with the pizza issue,and the prize fund was far lower at that time than it was last night.

Joel said his bit right off at the start, before anyone had said a word really.I actually give him credit for that,whereas Danny immediately counteracted that stand,and made his case for not only voting but also who to vote out.

Still Joel did not vote.I still say to his credit.
Then again I like him, you don't.

I dare bet had another hm/s said they were not going to vote at all in this, they would probably be termed wonderful for that.

Hey Joey,I'm with you ,I think Joel would make a worthy winner.:wavey:

[Beetlejuice]

Season.
Big Brother Season.
Read it again. Big Brother was made world famous in the US after they improved upon the dutch series and each year of Big Brother is called a SEASON.
This is my first BBUK SEASON. You want to call it a Series, have at it.

:laugh::wavey:

In Britain we don't call them seasons.

[Beetlejuice]

[/B]


I actually think yes, because he likely in reality doesn't need the money, however he would like to be the winner of BB as anyone going into the house would.

He knows by now, going against BB brings penalties,he showed he wasn't bothered as to the prize fund with the pizza issue,and the prize fund was far lower at that time than it was last night.

Joel said his bit right off at the start, before anyone had said a word really.I actually give him credit for that,whereas Danny immediately counteracted that stand,and made his case for not only voting but also who to vote out.

Still Joel did not vote.I still say to his credit.
Then again I like him, you don't.

I dare bet had another hm/s said they were not going to vote at all in this, they would probably be termed wonderful for that.


And yet Joel remains on a show that he thinks is morally wrong to have done that to Sam.

[Ross.]

Lmao what does Joel's political views have to do with anything? :shrug:

[Beetlejuice]

Lmao what does Joel's political views have to do with anything? :shrug:

This thread is about him engaging in slimeball political tactics. Doesn't matter if he is Labour or Tory or whatever the hell is. What he did was not about taking a moral stance, it was about being seen to in order to score points and to draw attention to his supposed moral superiority to the others who he has smeared since.

If he has a problem with what was done he should take it to the people who were ultimately responsible for it... The BB production team. And the best way of protesting against them is by walking out of their fixed show. If he did that I would take everything I've said in this thread back and celebrate him for it. But he won't, because he's doing little more than campaigning for his own cause.

[vafunghoul]

In Britain we don't call them seasons.

That's ok.
Can I call it a SEASON of BB?
Please? I jest.

For that other guy to pick something so mundane instead of debating the content of my post was quite funny.

Thanks beetlejuice. Don't take my opinions to heart as we'll never agree on Joel. It's just banter. ;)

[billy123]

Season.
Big Brother Season.
Read it again. Big Brother was made world famous in the US after they improved upon the dutch series and each year of Big Brother is called a SEASON.
This is my first BBUK SEASON. You want to call it a Series, have at it.

:laugh::wavey::joker: oh dear.
I dont like to stereotype but if i did you would fit the bill. :hehe:
Carry on.

[Ross.]

This thread is about him engaging in slimeball political tactics. Doesn't matter if he is Labour or Tory or whatever the hell is. What he did was not about taking a moral stance, it was about being seen to in order to score points and to draw attention to his supposed moral superiority to the others who he has smeared since.


Well then he's going to be a good politician then, isn't he. :fan:

[vafunghoul]

:joker: oh dear.
I dont like to stereotype but if i did you would fit the bill. :hehe:
Carry on.

Oh dear? Nice reply. So we have a smarmy elitist poster who hates Americans.
I happen to live in the US but I'm not American.
Enjoy this SEASON of Big Brother UK.


:joker:

[billy123]

Oh dear? Nice reply. So we have a smarmy elitist poster who hates Americans.
I happen to live in the US but I'm not American.
Enjoy this SEASON of Big Brother UK.


:joker::joker: Your funny. :idc:

[joeysteele]

And yet Joel remains on a show that he thinks is morally wrong to have done that to Sam.

He is on BB series, there are many things that happen in a BB series that could be morally wrong.

Had he made an issue and left the house on this one,I can just see all the threads and comments deriding him as a quitter.

He did make a stand, he refused to vote and he could have got punished for that, however he 'stood solidly by his decision' not to do so,something not one of the others chose to do, showing how desperate they are for that prize fund to increase again.
No consideration at all for Sams feelings.

What happened in this disgraceful eviction of Sam last night, spoke,in my view, volumes negatively about all the others and said nothing at all as to Joel.

[Beetlejuice]

Well then he's going to be a good politician then, isn't he. :fan:

No, because that's not what a politician should be. It's what modern politicians have become and they will no doubt cause more riots in this country soon.

[vafunghoul]

No, because that's not what a politician should be. It's what modern politicians have become and they will no doubt cause more riots in this country soon.

With all due respect, I get it. You despise Joel not so much for his gameplay but because his TYPE strikes a nerve.

[Ross.]

No, because that's not what a politician should be. It's what modern politicians have become and they will no doubt cause more riots in this country soon.

I was being sarcastic. :hee:

[Beetlejuice]

He is on BB series, there are many things that happen in a BB series that could be morally wrong.

Had he made an issue and left the house on this one,I can just see all the threads and comments deriding him as a quitter.

Nope. Why would anyone attack him for that?

He did make a stand, he refused to vote and he could have got punished for that

How? It was meant to be a joint decision. He was in no danger of getting into trouble whatsoever. Had BB got each person to stand up and vote and he refused then maybe...


however he 'stood solidly by his decision' not to do so,something not one of the others chose to do, showing how desperate they are for that prize fund to increase again.

No, what they showed consideration for were the rules of the show they signed up to. Joel on the other hand saw an opportunity to promote himself and smear the others who did do what they were being told to do. But when it comes down to taking his protest against the people ultimately responsible for what happened, he won't do a thing. Infact he will happily stay on their show and desperately try to win it himself.


What happened in this disgraceful eviction of Sam last night, spoke,in my view, volumes negatively about all the others and said nothing at all as to Joel.

How did it speak volumes about the others? They did what Zoe and Pav did last year. They did what they were asked to do by the production team. Now if you and Joel have a problem with that, then it is the production team you should take your complaints to. Instead, you just use it as an opportunity to slag off Danny and co. and promote Joel. As I said... Utterly self serving.

[Beetlejuice]

With all due respect, I get it. You despise Joel not so much for his gameplay but because his TYPE strikes a nerve.

Not really. I had previously praised Joel for independence of mind. But that was so obviously a slimeball move I went right off him altogether.

[vafunghoul]

:joker: Your funny. :idc:

*You're.

"Your" <--- possessive form

If you're going to attempt to mock someone's intelligence, you might want to use proper grammar.

:joker:

[joeysteele]

BB said if they didn't make a decision there would be financial consequences, the others all voted to avoid that.

Joel was left sidelined by his stand, which I still applaud,therefore after the rest had complied but he did not, he could have found himself getting some punishment.

BB could not then touch the prize money as they made a decision and voted, Joel however did not,still making his stand against the eviction, so could have left himself open to some other punishment, no matter how daft,small or whatever.

[vafunghoul]

Not really. I had previously praised Joel for independence of mind. But that was so obviously a slimeball move I went right off him altogether.

So, you're basing this off his recent decisions which you find hypocritical? If that's the case, I can understand some of your disdain. I still feel he's been far less hypocritical and phoney than the rest. If anything, to me he's been the most consistent in gameplay and on a personal level towards others.

But of course, it's all subjective. We all have our bias.

[billy123]

*You're.

"Your" <--- possessive form

If you're going to attempt to mock someone's intelligence, you might want to use proper grammar.

:joker:How embarrassing for you. Did you really just do the grammar Nazi thing! eek. The cringe!

http://media.giphy.com/media/apowQdwqKcKPK/giphy.gif

[vafunghoul]

How embarrassing for you. Did you really just do the grammar Nazi thing! eek

http://media.giphy.com/media/apowQdwqKcKPK/giphy.gif

Quite the contrary.

:joker:

[REDCROP]

Joel is, hands down, best game player in there and thank god theres one left....he's playing em all off one by one and they're all too stupid to be a match for him so they just spit and snarl and shout....and expose themselves for the exact same thing he's trying to expose them for...he's a really annoying little game player, like Marc was, and i love it....
The other game players are not in same league...Chloe's Victim card, Dannys Hero card...its just not clever enough

[REDCROP]

He's great...best one left in there now...go Joel

[arista]

I wonder what would have happened if they all refused to vote... :think:


Then Big Brother would pick
as its Live.


And after that
all get Punished

[REDCROP]

He's not smart, because they're all on to him. It's a shame the viewers aren't.

They were onto Marc too but they never got the last word , any of them..he controlled the lot of them and now Joel is doing the same...only other one as sharp is Nick...thats why they get along so well....the others are idiots apart from Christian

Danny, Chloe and Jack are really stupid....Dumb. Dumber and ( Erm, i dunno, i dunno, am i stupid ? i dunno.., can you learn me to be more cleverer like what you all am ? ) Danny

[sampvt]

He's great...best one left in there now...go Joel

They do say that FM's champion HM' that mirror image their own personality. perish the thought and get well soon

[arista]

No, because that's not what a politician should be. It's what modern politicians have become and they will no doubt cause more riots in this country soon.


Be Honest
after this
will he try for that gig?

[Shaun]

Remind me again why you didn't evict him against Eiqueen?

[Beetlejuice]

They were onto Marc too but they never got the last word , any of them..he controlled the lot of them

And got evicted the first chance the public had.


and now Joel is doing the same...only other one as sharp is Nick...thats why they get along so well....the others are idiots apart from Christian

Joel isn't playing them. He's playing the viewers. They all see through him.

[Beetlejuice]

So, you're basing this off his recent decisions which you find hypocritical? If that's the case, I can understand some of your disdain. I still feel he's been far less hypocritical and phoney than the rest. If anything, to me he's been the most consistent in gameplay and on a personal level towards others.

But of course, it's all subjective. We all have our bias.

I have no bias. I search for objective truth.

[abhorson]

They do say that FM's champion HM' that mirror image their own personality. perish the thought and get well soon

:laugh::laugh:

Loads liked Helen and Perez! Helen had NO bigger champion than... Mind you, i wanted Hopkins to win!

[REDCROP]

Theyre priming to give him the win I think...rent a crowd joel fans tonight between posters ant the bbots headers...he makes my skin crawl personally

Priming him to make him win ?...last I heard they were priming Danny ....oh no I forget they were priming Marc ....its all a complete load of bollox...Some people don't deserve BB and the work they put into to entertaining us all summer .....There are no conspiracies. ....its not MI5. ..and if you actually believe the rubbish you're saying then why on earth are you wasting your time watching the show ? Why don't all the bitter moaning people who think they're being conned just clear off and watch Judge Judy ...and leave those of us who have respect for the people who work so hard creating the show each week, to talk to intelligent people instead

[susie q]

Joel....I refuse to vote....joel..guys tell me who to say...

Joel vote is carried for sam. Translation....you do the dirty work for me and ill deliver the news. Conclusion. ..if he didnt want to be part of it he should have wslked away... verdict..slimy coward

hes definitely a politician in the making, what a slime ball, cant stand Danny either.

[sampvt]

Joel is a mini version of the old winner Aaron, he must have studied him well.

[DemolitionRed]

Being fair, Joel was the very first to speak and he said right off that he was not voting in it at all.

Danny manipulated the votes in the end with his stance.


^ This

I don't usually like Joel but he went up in my estimations last night. What Joel said was totally spontaneous. He was the only person who was shocked at the unfairness of it.

Yes, Danny totally manipulated that vote, it was horrible to watch.

[vafunghoul]

^ This

I don't usually like Joel but he went up in my estimations last night. What Joel said was totally spontaneous. He was the only person who was shocked at the unfairness of it.

Yes, Danny totally manipulated that vote, it was horrible to watch.

Bang on!!!

[jet]

^ This

I don't usually like Joel but he went up in my estimations last night. What Joel said was totally spontaneous. He was the only person who was shocked at the unfairness of it.

Yes, Danny totally manipulated that vote, it was horrible to watch.

Joel actually told Danny and Christian to make the decision, because he wasn't going to. Christian reminded Joel of that in the garden. So Joel opted out, but wasn't averse to the decision being made by others. Joel also gave the opinion that he wanted to keep Chloe, so he didn't entirely opt out, did he?
Danny did not manipulate the vote, he said he was closest to Jack and Chloe, which was true. The others went along with that. Where was the manipulation exactly? Was Joel manipulating as well then when he said he wanted to keep Chloe - even though he was making a principled stance and supposedly not being involved?

[Withano]

^ This

I don't usually like Joel but he went up in my estimations last night. What Joel said was totally spontaneous. He was the only person who was shocked at the unfairness of it.

Yes, Danny totally manipulated that vote, it was horrible to watch.

:clap1: He was just thinking out loud. The fuss the OP made over this is laughable.

[Macie Lightfoot]

For the people who are so proud of Joel for not being a part of the situation, need I remind you that it was his *SOLE* nomination of Sam that put her in that position in the first place? Such a short-sighted view.

[jet]

For the people who are so proud of Joel for not being a part of the situation, need I remind you that it was his *SOLE* nomination of Sam that put her in that position in the first place? Such a short-sighted view.

Yes, he didn't refuse to go for the button and nominate someone when the money was running down. Why not?
Last year we had a winner whose morals weren't the best to say the least, and this year we might get one who puts himself across as moralistic to the point of being sanctimonious and holier than thou. Are people over - compensating for last years mistake or what? I'd LMAO if he won. :joker:

[dyfed]

I think Danny was they only one who spoke the truth,he is closer to Chloe and jack,if Danny was playing the game,he would of wanted Chloe out,right or wrong they seem to think its between Danny and Chloe to win,have to say this year I havent got a clear winner,the only one I don't want to win is Joel,he is such a pompous individual.

[Pete.]

For the people who are so proud of Joel for not being a part of the situation, need I remind you that it was his *SOLE* nomination of Sam that put her in that position in the first place? Such a short-sighted view.
Vile Joel

[jet]

I think Danny was they only one who spoke the truth,he is closer to Chloe and jack,if Danny was playing the game,he would of wanted Chloe out,right or wrong they seem to think its between Danny and Chloe to win,have to say this year I havent got a clear winner,the only one I don't want to win is Joel,he is such a pompous individual.

Exactly, but it doesn't fit with the Danny hate to be honest and acknowledge that.
I hope neither Danny or Chloe wins, tbh. I'm not that fussed about the rest, the best for me is Jack.

[Patricia4]

Bang on!!!

Very true and when he spoke to BB it was just what most of us said it should have been the public vote not DANNY's which it was because they all followed him like little sheep.

[jet]

Very true and when he spoke to BB it was just what most of us said it should have been the public vote not DANNY's which it was because they all followed him like little sheep.

When Joel opted out he asked Danny and Christian to decide. Christian quoted him saying that in the garden afterwards and Joel agreed. So he wasn't even thinking about it not being a public vote at that point.
It's funny how bits that don't fit the Saint Joel agenda are completely ignored as if they never happened. :joker:

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How Ironic is this thread.....all week end everyone been banging on about how disgraceful the twist was against Sam (not that i agree at all ) and outraged they are...and now the same people are calling Joel a slime ball because he refused to be part of it....he's the only one who agrees with you and the only one who refused to do it Sam....AND YET HERE YOU ARE...WITH YOUR JOEL IS A SLIME BALL THREAD....there is a serious lack of intelligence taking place here...

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How Ironic is this thread.....all week end everyone been banging on about how disgraceful the twist was against Sam (not that i agree at all ) and outraged they are...and now the same people are calling Joel a slime ball because he refused to be part of it....he's the only one who agrees with you and the only one who refused to do it Sam....AND YET HERE YOU ARE...WITH YOUR JOEL IS A SLIME BALL THREAD....there is a serious lack of intelligence taking place here...

There is a lack of intelligence in not realizing that not everyone thinks Joel refused for moral reasons.
I think you should read the thread - you'll find the answers to the question that seems to be puzzling you.

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Dont worry Vahfungel you're not naive ...you're just dealing with some stupid cretins....of course Joel is a better person than Chloe or Danny...too many reasons to list but if for no other reason the fact that he never resorts to violence or physically attack people when they feel threatened ...like attracts like...that's why you like Joel and these unpleasant and unintelligent idiots on here like Chloe ....

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Chloe is part of a modern disease of sub class people that decent working class folks find revolting