Joel is the Smartest Game Player left since Marc

[REDCROP]

This is a smart game player :

Smart because He always stayed loyal to Marc, who is now out, has a massive fan base and is campaigning for Joel to win

Smart because he made a friend in Helen, instead of Brian who made an enemy in her which resulted in damaging his own legacy

Smart because he formed a true friendship with Nick who doesn't need the cash, so he can totally trust him

Smart because he can tie Danny and Chloe in knots with words and their inadequate response just exposes how aggressive and stupid they are.

Smart because he refused to be part of giving Sam an unfare eviction while others no longer saw her as a housemate but as a 15 grand pay out instead

Smart because he knew the public would be outraged by the twist and he is the only one in there who tried to act on their behalf

Smart because he's done nothing in the real world to be ashamed of that can be used against him by people on the outisde

I Like game players, its what the show is supposed to be about...Marc, Jade and Joel were this years master game players...and that is why I think people should VOTE JOEL ..

[JamesBond]

Smart because he formed a true friendship with Nick who doesn't need the cash, so he can totally trust him

That's a good point.

[jet]

As Marc and Jade were both booted out, that doesn't bode well for Joel then.

I don't think any of them are/were that smart at game playing, certainly not 'masters' at it. :laugh:

[Shaun]

What's this about Marc being a smart game player? He got evicted the very first time he was up lmao

[reece(:]

What's this about Marc being a smart game player? He got evicted the very first time he was up lmao
Keep spilling it

[REDCROP]

What's this about Marc being a smart game player? He got evicted the very first time he was up lmao

He was too larger than life to win....he had so many people love him and so many people hate him he could never of won.....for every 1 person who loved one of the other housemates there could have 100 for marc...and the same with the haters ...but he was a great game player because he exposed every single person in there to the bone so we could see who they really are....he was an antagoniser and a challenge to every one in there and he played the game.....i know a lot of Marc fans feel that the people who voted him out are the blame for why we now have such a terrible final...Marc was big brothers idea of a wet dream...BB def didn't want to lose him....and thats because he was a great house mate

[Vanessa]

He has grown on me a lot and I love his close friendship with Cristian. Shame they won't show it on the highlights.

[REDCROP]

What's this about Marc being a smart game player? He got evicted the very first time he was up lmao

The game players get voted off first.......thats why we get left with a crap show...happens every year....to think that being voted off means you're not a good game player shows that you don't get it...

[REDCROP]

Joel and Christian are the only ones that i have a different opinion of from the start of the show to now...i liked Joel but i have more respect for him now..and i didn't really like christian, his gangster rap voice made me think he was insincere....but now i think he's actually a really nice guy

I always liked Nick, and i never liked Chloe so that never changed

[Withano]

The game players get voted off first.......thats why we get left with a crap show...happens every year....to think that being voted off means you're not a good game player shows that you don't get it...

Good gameplayers win. I think as a forum, we need a new word to describe the ***** who try their hardest for airtime.. Gameplayer doesn't really work

[reece(:]

The game players get voted off first.......thats why we get left with a crap show...happens every year....to think that being voted off means you're not a good game player shows that you don't get it...
If you get voted off early, you failed the game thus are a poor gameplayer :joker: it's pretty self-explanatory.

[abhorson]

He was too larger than life to win....he had so many people love him and so many people hate him he could never of won.....for every 1 person who loved one of the other housemates there could have 100 for marc...and the same with the haters ...but he was a great game player because he exposed every single person in there to the bone so we could see who they really are....he was an antagoniser and a challenge to every one in there and he played the game.....i know a lot of Marc fans feel that the people who voted him out are the blame for why we now have such a terrible final...Marc was big brothers idea of a wet dream...BB def didn't want to lose him....and thats because he was a great house mate

SO. He was not a SMART gameplayer:shocked:

[jet]

He was too larger than life to win....he had so many people love him and so many people hate him he could never of won.....for every 1 person who loved one of the other housemates there could have 100 for marc...and the same with the haters ...but he was a great game player because he exposed every single person in there to the bone so we could see who they really are....he was an antagoniser and a challenge to every one in there and he played the game.....i know a lot of Marc fans feel that the people who voted him out are the blame for why we now have such a terrible final...Marc was big brothers idea of a wet dream...BB def didn't want to lose him....and thats because he was a great house mate

I disagree. Antagonizing people to bring out their anger/irritation doesn't 'expose them to the bone and show who they really are' - it only shows what they are like when irritated - and that is only a small part of a person. We all have a myriad of emotions and he didn't manage to expose anything deep or meaningful or good.
What he did show was what a prize prick he was.

[abhorson]

The game players get voted off first.......thats why we get left with a crap show...happens every year....to think that being voted off means you're not a good game player shows that you don't get it...

Contradictory. Why is Joel still in?

[JamesBond]

Don't worry REDCROP, at least you picked someone and listed good points. I don't see too many people voluntarily doing the same, all I hear is oh he or she is so nice.

[REDCROP]

If you get voted off early, you failed the game thus are a poor gameplayer :joker: it's pretty self-explanatory.

They're all game players...but its the ones who use the Victim card or the Hero card that often last longer...but the victims and hero gang are boring to watch..its game playing at a level thats not brave or very entertaining .....Helen was an example of a strong game player who didn't take the victim road but without her pass to the final even she admits the public would have evicted her very early on like they did with Marc...doesn't diminish the fact that they were great game players and i know there a lot of people who think Marc was a great game player....but maybe you're right, maybe Joel is an even better one because he's now on course to win and i hope he does

[REDCROP]

Don't worry REDCROP, at least you picked someone and listed good points. I don't see too many people voluntarily doing the same, all I hear is oh he or she is so nice.

Thank you...so many people make a statement but back it up with nothing...so to be honest they're input is worthless

[Pete.]

I think he's a sly twat that gets away with it because of his age, gender and intellect

[Pete.]

How was Marc a good gameplayer when he had to have production save him for 4 weeks to give him his 5 week stay

[REDCROP]

Contradictory. Why is Joel still in?

You're right he is still in...and that is unusual....hes not typical at all of house mates who usually get this far....i thought he was great very early on and i didn't expect him to last because of that very reason....where as some one like Christian who was just a nice guy but not really playing the game for the first 6 weeks i believed would last a long time..and he did

[REDCROP]

Usually people will say that what is written is untrue but no one has said that about what i wrote about Joel at the start of this thread....is that because its true by any chance and he is a good game player ?

[camertone]

This is a smart game player :

Smart because He always stayed loyal to Marc, who is now out, has a massive fan base and is campaigning for Joel to win

Smart because he made a friend in Helen, instead of Brian who made an enemy in her which resulted in damaging his own legacy

Smart because he formed a true friendship with Nick who doesn't need the cash, so he can totally trust him

Smart because he can tie Danny and Chloe in knots with words and their inadequate response just exposes how aggressive and stupid they are.

Smart because he refused to be part of giving Sam an unfare eviction while others no longer saw her as a housemate but as a 15 grand pay out instead

Smart because he knew the public would be outraged by the twist and he is the only one in there who tried to act on their behalf

Smart because he's done nothing in the real world to be ashamed of that can be used against him by people on the outisde

I Like game players, its what the show is supposed to be about...Marc, Jade and Joel were this years master game players...and that is why I think people should VOTE JOEL ..

i agree

[Withano]

Its very interesting how i have justified why i think Joel is a good game player and worthy of peoples votes yet everyone is conveniently ignoring that and focusing on my very small reference to Marc instead...LOL..which not just shows how big an impact Marc had but also shows how people choose to ignore positive support of a house mate where quantifiable reasons are given for that support....

I think its hard to take what you said seriously because of a title that was obviously incorrect! but since you asked..
The things you listed in you OP are true, Joel done all of those things, I'd describe it as more.. living.. than gameplaying. I don't think 'gameplaying' really exists on BBUK, however, if it did, the best gameplayers would be the finalists who were not aided by the production team.. So that would rule Helen and Marc out.

[REDCROP]

Its very interesting how i have given reasons at the start of this thread why i think Joel is a good game player and a worthy winner but everyone has ignored that and instead focused on the tiny reference i made to Marc.....LOL....which not only shows what a big impact Marc had but also shows that when quantifiable reasons are given in support of someone nobody challenges it...no one has said that my points on Joel are wrong so guess i may be right...LOL...and he is gonna win

[REDCROP]

I think its hard to take what you said seriously because of a title that was obviously incorrect! but since you asked..
The things you listed in you OP are true, Joel done all of those things, I'd describe it as more.. living.. than gameplaying. I don't think 'gameplaying' really exists on BBUK, however, if it did, the best gameplayers would be the finalists who were not aided by the production team.. So that would rule Helen and Marc out.

Have to agree to differ on this one then....you go to your church and i'll go to mine

[Pete.]

OK sis


Smart because he can tie Danny and Chloe in knots with words and their inadequate response just exposes how aggressive and stupid they are.

Didn't Jack leave Joel speechless with his pizza comment, perhaps realising what a hypocrite he is. You don't have to be educated when you're in the right


Smart because he refused to be part of giving Sam an unfare eviction while others no longer saw her as a housemate but as a 15 grand pay out instead

It would have helped if he didn't solely nominate Sam in the first place but because he knew it was going out live he wanted to appear genuine when he really couldn't wait to get rid of Sam

Smart because he's done nothing in the real world to be ashamed of that can be used against him by people on the outisde

Outside world stuff has not affected housemates chances so far really but his boring and lack of a fanbase won't do him any favours

Smart because he formed a true friendship with Nick who doesn't need the cash, so he can totally trust him

Not that smart when Nick backstabbed his friend Chloe for a place in the final at a price

[REDCROP]

OK sis



Didn't Jack leave Joel speechless with his pizza comment, perhaps realising what a hypocrite he is. You don't have to be educated when you're in the right



It would have helped if he didn't solely nominate Sam in the first place but because he knew it was going out live he wanted to appear genuine when he really couldn't wait to get rid of Sam



Outside world stuff has not affected housemates chances so far really but his boring and lack of a fanbase won't do him any favours



Not that smart when Nick backstabbed his friend Chloe for a place in the final at a price

I won't probably send you any more replies because i know you to be contrary and pedantic from previous messages I've had from you...and I'm sure your not my biggest fan either....but in reply to this one..

Who mentioned Jack, i said that Joel manipulates Chloe and Danny...
I never said if Joel stuck up for Sam for genuine reasons or non genuine ones, i said it was a smart move and it was.

Who's talking about Nick stabbing Chloe in the back ? I clearly said that Nick and Joels friendship was one of trust, and it is..

And this site is plastered with references to Danny and Chloes negative behaviour in the outside world so bad publicity clearly does impact on their profile image and chances

Im sorry, but i think you are talking rubbish for the sake of it...like you so often have in the past

[iToby]

As Marc and Jade were both booted out, that doesn't bode well for Joel then.

I don't think any of them are/were that smart at game playing, certainly not 'masters' at it. :laugh:

Another agreeable post.
Acting the maggot, (as mark did) doesn't indicate rational thought. Anyone can run their mouths with a view to being controversial. I'm great at it.
How many times did mark say he was going to have sex in the house? too many, yet did he perform? no. He didn't. Most of what he said was off the cuff, or after someone said two words in response to a question he posed for them. And I'm still miffed trhat I didn't start my 'Things a Scientist Would Never Say' thread as I've forgotten some of the pure gold that came out of his mouth...tho I still coulda got a good thread from his bots appearances.

[Pete.]

Let me live :{}

[abhorson]

Have to agree to differ on this one then....you go to your church and i'll go to mine

So no answer. The very same thing that you say to others.

[abhorson]

OK sis



Didn't Jack leave Joel speechless with his pizza comment, perhaps realising what a hypocrite he is. You don't have to be educated when you're in the right



It would have helped if he didn't solely nominate Sam in the first place but because he knew it was going out live he wanted to appear genuine when he really couldn't wait to get rid of Sam



Outside world stuff has not affected housemates chances so far really but his boring and lack of a fanbase won't do him any favours



Not that smart when Nick backstabbed his friend Chloe for a place in the final at a price

Credit for that.:cheer2:

[REDCROP]

So no answer. The very same thing that you say to others.

Sorry. someone else said a very similar thing, reece i think the name...i thought i was responding to you...you can take a look..but here is a copy anyway then I'm off to bed her

They're all game players...but its the ones who use the Victim card or the Hero card that often last longer...but the victims and hero gang are boring to watch..its game playing at a level thats not brave or very entertaining .....Helen was an example of a strong game player who didn't take the victim road but without her pass to the final even she admits the public would have evicted her very early on like they did with Marc...doesn't diminish the fact that they were great game players and i know there a lot of people who think Marc was a great game player....but maybe you're right, maybe Joel is an even better one because he's now on course to win and i hope he does....i don't believe that what comes first is always the best....the number one record is def never the best song at that time...neither is the biggest box office movie...i don't think a disappointing winner is a great game player.. i don't think this years final line up is exciting at all

[bananarama]

Nothing smart about Marc. He is just an attention seeker at a cost to anyone including himself.

Nothing smart about Joel. He is just a slimy manipulator. A future hypocrite of a prime minister....

[REDCROP]

Nothing smart about Marc. He is just an attention seeker at a cost to anyone including himself.

Nothing smart about Joel. He is just a slimy manipulator. A future hypocrite of a prime minister....

When was Joel a hypocrite ? I don't recall him ever being anything except principled and totally honest.

They're all manipulating each other, thats the main concept of how the game works, Joels just the best at it, so why is that a bad thing...he's not on Country File he's on Big Brother

[goldensunlight]

He must have been a lot smarter for surviving more evictions and making the finals. I preferred Marc as a housemate, but I think he was too controversial for the casual viewers.

[camertone]

This is a smart game player :

Smart because He always stayed loyal to Marc, who is now out, has a massive fan base and is campaigning for Joel to win

Smart because he made a friend in Helen, instead of Brian who made an enemy in her which resulted in damaging his own legacy

Smart because he formed a true friendship with Nick who doesn't need the cash, so he can totally trust him

Smart because he can tie Danny and Chloe in knots with words and their inadequate response just exposes how aggressive and stupid they are.

Smart because he refused to be part of giving Sam an unfare eviction while others no longer saw her as a housemate but as a 15 grand pay out instead

Smart because he knew the public would be outraged by the twist and he is the only one in there who tried to act on their behalf

Smart because he's done nothing in the real world to be ashamed of that can be used against him by people on the outisde

I Like game players, its what the show is supposed to be about...Marc, Jade and Joel were this years master game players...and that is why I think people should VOTE JOEL ..

yes, joel has a good head on his shoulders, he's always calm and collected.. and principled.. overall he's an individual, not a follower.

[Mick]

Joel has played a good game and if this is how we judge then yes imo he deserves his place in the final.Was it an entertaining strategy for myself no.

[Pete.]

When was Joel a hypocrite ? I don't recall him ever being anything except principled and totally honest.

They're all manipulating each other, thats the main concept of how the game works, Joels just the best at it, so why is that a bad thing...he's not on Country File he's on Big Brother
He was a hypocrite suddenly refusing to take blame for evicting Sam when he nominated her solely in the first place

[REDCROP]

He was a hypocrite suddenly refusing to take blame for evicting Sam when he nominated her solely in the first place

You talk such utter rubbish...we all watched the same show as you you know...you should stop wasting everyones time and either say something constructive and factual or say nothing...
thats my one reply to you today...youre too immature to spend any more time on...one a day, thats what you get from me...LOL..a bit like 5 a day minus 4 :laugh:

[REDCROP]

He must have been a lot smarter for surviving more evictions and making the finals. I preferred Marc as a housemate, but I think he was too controversial for the casual viewers.
Me too...Marc was a great house mate but def too controversial...he got the biggest reaction when he came out..on both occasions...i doubt that the winner will even match that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

he a a little weasel

[alex_front2]

Joel is smarter than Marc imo.

[susie q]

I think he's a sly twat that gets away with it because of his age, gender and intellect

I agree.

[goldensunlight]

He was a hypocrite suddenly refusing to take blame for evicting Sam when he nominated her solely in the first place
:conf: Joel was the one person who specified he wasn't going to evict anybody because it wasn't his place to do so. If anyone is to blame, then it's Danny.

[Kazanne]

Joel to win

[bots]

Joel to win

Next weeks debate down the pub :laugh:

[uniquedude]

The true game players are people like Sam Evans who actually win...

It's all well and good playing a game but playing a game doesn't get you 100k..ask Dexter Koh

[vafunghoul]

In the last few weeks, he and Cristian have annoyed me the least.
Only blip for Joel was when Jack called him out for playing the moral card by reminding him that he quit the task for pizza.

At this point, Joel or Cristian for the win. Really dislike the rest.

[Patricia4]

Joel or Cristian to win for me the other's are not worth a vote.

[Moosething]

Smart because he slut dropped

[jet]

:conf: Joel was the one person who specified he wasn't going to evict anybody because it wasn't his place to do so. If anyone is to blame, then it's Danny.

Joel was the one who nominated Sam in the previous task of whoever gets to the button first has to nominate one person. Joel was one of the four to get there and Sam was his choice. . But I think you know that unless you missed that episode. :smug:

[marlobrando2]

All supporters of Joel, Marc and welsh MUST VOTE other wise Cloe the hypocrite will win.

[goldensunlight]

Joel was the one who nominated Sam in the previous task of whoever gets to the button first has to nominate one person. Joel was one of the four to get there and Sam was his choice. . But I think you know that unless you missed that episode. :smug:
There's a major difference between nominating a fellow housemate (which is part of the process) and actually evicting somebody from the house (which should be the public's decision). Joel has his morals and he stuck by them.

[jet]

There's a major difference between nominating a fellow housemate (which is part of the process) and actually evicting somebody from the house (which should be the public's decision). Joel has his morals and he stuck by them.

I know the difference. I was replying to a poster who didn't seem to know that it was Joel alone who nominated Sam in the first place.

[BENDERBOY]

And with The Winner Takes It All Joel wins my heart back.

Back to being my favourite to win.

[goldensunlight]

I know the difference. I was replying to a poster who didn't seem to know that it was Joel alone who nominated Sam in the first place.
You were replying to me and yes I was fully aware thank you for your explanation. :idc: