Tackling Extremism: PM David Cameron

[arista]

He live on every news now


Trying to Sort the Extreme Isil In the UK


http://news.sky.com/story/1521778/pm-targets-islamist-extremism-in-war-on-is

[joeysteele]

He would have my support in dealing with this and I also hope he gets the support of parliament too.
I think there does come a time when patience runs out and for me he does need to be saying and doing a great deal more as to dealing with this issue and threat.

Which to be fair to him,he does seem to have woken up to.

[lostalex]

The entire ideology of Islam is a lie. Tell the truth, that the religion is a lie, problem solved.

[arista]

The entire ideology of Islam is a lie. Tell the truth, that the religion is a lie, problem solved.


No there are Muslims that are Not Extreme
they are now helping our PM

[Glenn.]

The entire ideology of Islam is a lie. Tell the truth, that the religion is a lie, problem solved.

There is logic here

[arista]

He would have my support in dealing with this and I also hope he gets the support of parliament too.
I think there does come a time when patience runs out and for me he does need to be saying and doing a great deal more as to dealing with this issue and threat.

Which to be fair to him,he does seem to have woken up to.

Yes with so many young women and young men
leaving the UK for Isis / Isil etc.

[In a speech in Birmingham, Mr Cameron warned young
British Muslims not to be "brainwashed" by "poisonous ideologies".]

[lostalex]

No there are Muslims that are Not Extreme
they are now helping our PM

but the ones that do bad do it because they think it is right. Islam tells them that it is right. so we need to tell them the truth, that it is not right. it is a lie.

Don't ban books, don't treat people badly. but the Quran should be treated the same as Mein Kampf. A book full of very dangerous lies.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Which dumbass in their right mind leave uk and go to isis?

I would die to get out from this dumbass country and go to uk

[arista]

but the ones that do bad do it because they think it is right. Islam tells them that it is right. so we need to tell them the truth, that it is not right. it is a lie.

Don't ban books, don't treat people badly. but the Quran should be treated the same as Mein Kampf. A book full of very dangerous lies.


No we are Stuck with that

Its their Bible
etc.

[the truth]

go dave....hes on fire at the moment

[Vicky.]

Backing him all the way here, anything to help the current situation is good. Why on earth anyone would chose to go there is beyond me. The cancelling passports thing though, either the parents take them, or the kids don't tell the parents, so not too sure what that will achieve, but as I said everything helps.

[the truth]

Hes showing a set of cahoonas to even say that on live tv.....as much as people say the tories are elitist millionaires with no idea of everyday life (which is all true) dave is a multi millionaire 30 times over before politics....so i dont believe hes in politics for the money. Hes probably power crazy but i actually do believe hes in it for the right reasons believing he can put the great back into britain

[empire]

the problem is that labour enforced the multiculturalist policy, that has made people too scared to offend people from other backgrounds, not all muslims are terrorists, but it is their arrogant attitude in not integrating better in are society, if you look around you, they have made no-go getto zones, in towns and cities, the government thought by pandering to them, they would integrate, big mistake, I will admit it that I have nothing in common, with muslims, but I will not label all of them terrorists, because it is silly,

[arista]

the problem is that labour enforced the multiculturalist policy, that has made people too scared to offend people from other backgrounds, not all muslims are terrorists, but it is their arrogant attitude in not integrating better in are society, if you look around you, they have made no-go getto zones, in towns and cities, the government thought by pandering to them, they would integrate, big mistake, I will admit it that I have nothing in common, with muslims, but I will not label all of them terrorists, because it is silly,


Bang On Right
Stupid New Labour

[Z]

Still don't really know how you can possibly fight an idea like this... disillusioned youth getting suckered into fighting for a cause that speaks to them in a way that the society around them doesn't. I mean, do something to change that - either scare the **** out of young Muslims with a propaganda war or make our country a better place that they won't want to leave. These are the only answers. Bombing random towns in the country that was unfortunate enough to have been the birth place of this ideology isn't going to achieve anything.

[MTVN]

Still don't really know how you can possibly fight an idea like this... disillusioned youth getting suckered into fighting for a cause that speaks to them in a way that the society around them doesn't. I mean, do something to change that - either scare the **** out of young Muslims with a propaganda war or make our country a better place that they won't want to leave. These are the only answers. Bombing random towns in the country that was unfortunate enough to have been the birth place of this ideology isn't going to achieve anything.

You do it by discrediting it, by providing a convincing counter-narrative and by making sure you shred IS of any romanticism. I think Cameron actually hit the nail on the head with all three of these yesterday. He realises that, like you say, you can't bomb it out of existence and that this is an ideological battle. He also realises that it's no good to say that 'this has nothing to do with Islam' or whatever because that disempowers the voices within Islam who are challenging the IS interpretation of their religion and showing why it is flawed. Also attitudes like this:

the problem is that labour enforced the multiculturalist policy, that has made people too scared to offend people from other backgrounds, not all muslims are terrorists, but it is their arrogant attitude in not integrating better in are society, if you look around you, they have made no-go getto zones, in towns and cities, the government thought by pandering to them, they would integrate, big mistake, I will admit it that I have nothing in common, with muslims, but I will not label all of them terrorists, because it is silly,

are part of the problem, not the solution.

[the truth]

why is what empire said part of the problem?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The entire ideology of Islam is a lie. Tell the truth, that the religion is a lie, problem solved.

Indeed. We need to start with OUR leaders telling people that all religions are lies, there are no gods and stop the rot at school level.

By Cameron pretending to be a Christian and Obama we just perpetuate the problem.

The Elephant with the bomb jacket in the room is religion.

[MTVN]

why is what empire said part of the problem?

Because it buys into the same idea as Islamist's pedal that Islam is incompatible with Britain, that there is a binary divide between 'them' and 'us' that can't be bridged. 'I have nothing in common with Muslims', 'they don't integrate in our society', it's pretty much the same thing as extremists would be telling young British Muslims to try and radicalise them - that there is no place for them in British society. Both Muslims and non-Muslims in this country have a responsibility to counter that view.

[the truth]

Because it buys into the same idea as Islamist's pedal that Islam is incompatible with Britain, that there is a binary divide between 'them' and 'us' that can't be bridged. 'I have nothing in common with Muslims', 'they don't integrate in our society', it's pretty much the same thing as extremists would be telling young British Muslims to try and radicalise them - that there is no place for them in British society. Both Muslims and non-Muslims in this country have a responsibility to counter that view.

his statement was 90% correct, but you've ignored all the correct parts and just concentrated on his last sentence which was too generalized about all muslims. you've made a grab for the moral high ground with your rather disingenuous critique and its failed. Unfortunately its the false outrage and silencing of freedom of speech with screams of racist sexist that has in a huge way lead us to the disastrous place we are now in.

[MTVN]

his statement was 90% correct, but you've ignored all the correct parts and just concentrated on his last sentence which was too generalized about all muslims. you've made a grab for the moral high ground with your rather disingenuous critique and its failed. Unfortunately its the false outrage and silencing of freedom of speech with screams of racist sexist that has in a huge way lead us to the disastrous place we are now in.

Well actually the whole post was one sentence, I quoted a part from the middle of it and the end of it though really it was all in the same vein and pretty questionable from start to finish. Like many of your posts incidentally.

[Toy Soldier]

Indeed. We need to start with OUR leaders telling people that all religions are lies, there are no gods and stop the rot at school level.

By Cameron pretending to be a Christian and Obama we just perpetuate the problem.

The Elephant with the bomb jacket in the room is religion.

Whilst I agree on principle, in practice it's probably a pretty bad idea. For some unfathomable reason, there are a lot of religious people of various description in the world, and they tend not to take kindly to anyone pointing out how improbable their beliefs are.

You can't stop it "at school level" because these tales are passed on through families and have little to do with the education system. I know loads of kids of mostly non-religious parents who went to Catholic school and only came out even more sure that it's nonsense. I also know people from some bat**** crazy religious backgrounds (one girl from a branch of Christianity with < 100 members, founded by her own great grandfather... srsly) who went through an almost entirely non-religious school system and still "believes" to this day.

To be honest I don't know how you stop it. Parents teach it to their kids, who teach it to their kids, and so on and so forth and once someone believes in these things, it's pretty much impossible to turn them away from it.

[the truth]

Indeed. We need to start with OUR leaders telling people that all religions are lies, there are no gods and stop the rot at school level.

By Cameron pretending to be a Christian and Obama we just perpetuate the problem.

The Elephant with the bomb jacket in the room is religion.

no. Its islam and the perversion of Islam that is the problem. To blame other religions for the Craziness at the heart of lslam is insane. The values of Christianity are infinitely superior to those of islam. That's my moral choice and thats what I believe. Christianity has been the bed rock of our laws and culture in the west for centuries and the good outweighs the bad. However religion is rightly kept separate from politics. When a phoney pair of psychos on our side like bush and blair choose to quote Christian text to justify their illegal wars, its up to us the public to call them out on it. Do you recall Jesus telling us to bomb millions of innocents? nope. so why blame jesus?

[empire]

british society did not force muslims to segregate, themselves, they made that decision there own choice, musilm parents don't want to embrace western culture, and they don't want there children to embrace it either, I mean they should embrace the good side of it, not the bad side of it, in schools, colleges, and universities, they segregate into their own little groups, the government has never got it right too this day, with lets be tolerant and give them what they want and embrace them, lets wake up now, and see how bad that decision has made the country of today, it has made muslims and non muslims, even more segregated, and even less trustful, Im talking in a balance of truth on a note because it takes two to tango, in that one follows their faith, and living in a non muslim, country, and does not want too intergratie, and hates its society, why should I even try and make friends with people who are like that, I don't hate islam, but the attitude of muslims who expect this country, too give everything and be well mannered, and not intergratie, intruth we should stop pandering

[waterhog]

empire - i am trying to find fault with this - but i can not - so well put mate.

[the truth]

I think leather trumpets approach is part of the problem to be honest. He/she thinks instead of standing tall and stating what we believe in , what laws , what beliefs what code of behaviour what laws and saying to immigrants this is what you MUST to to integrate into british society or leave....instead leather trumpet wants us to give up on our own religious identity and with it much of our beliefs and culture? for what? to appease even more immigrants and especially the 10000s who have refused to integrate and in some cases are in fact terrorists or support radical islam. Leather have you forgotten the hate preachers on our streets for decades demanding death to Britons and death to the west, have you forgotten the beheading of a british soldier on british streets, the july 7th terrorist attacks, the 1000s of children abducted assaulted sexually trafficked in Rotherham , the radical take over of british schools, the 1000s of british muslims who are guilty of treason going to fight wars against the Uk...the moment a person does that they should of course be banned from ever returning to our soil etc etc ask any copper and he she will tell you the laws are not protecting british people and are over protecting immigrants in many cases. we must Not ever change our laws or our beliefs to accommodate these hard liners. this is all the work of the loony left , who stand for nothing but fall for anything

[empire]

the truth you are right in everything you have said, because people in england don't want parts of london, and town's and cities, like blackburn, oldham, bradford, rotherham, and others, into a city like Belfast, one city is bad enough like Belfast, but having up to 20, is worse, In what I will have to say has nothing too do with religion, but migrants who live in those towns and cities, come from parts of the world where they have a backward tribal attitude, because a white british family would never treat a woman like the way they treat women in those parts of the world, I will admit that in europe that sort of thing happend alot but was eradicated centuries ago, but does happen in parts of E, europe, and parts of russia too, cultural sensitivity was one big reason in why it was not stopped, in rotherham, my friend the truth, those guys knew what cards too throw in the right hat, after they have done there time in jail, they should be deported too there country of origin, because Im sure that the coutries they come from aren't as lenient as soft arse britain,

[Mystic Mock]

We need to stop ISIS from trying to invade other countries land, but I notice that he hasn't really mentioned anything about that.

[bots]

Brits segregate themselves wherever they go in the world. Wherever there is a Brit, you will find an ex pat society that encourages and propagates British values. However, they do not encourage hostile action against the country they are living in. They tend to be symbiotic relationships that are of advantage to everyone. Without the extremist elements, that's how it would work in the UK to, so I do not subscribe to the idea that people should give up their identities when they move to a different country. It is completely unnecessary.

Education is the most important aspect in combating extremism in conjunction with protection of those vulnerable in our societies - something much more supported by left wing politics btw (just to put the anti left rhetoric in to perspective) There is no short term solution in this and I hope Cameron is sensible and accepts the solution can only be derived from an apolitical position.

[the truth]

education of our own people is one thing, but how are we meant to educate millions of immigrants from around the world who have arrived within just a few years

[empire]

the truth, you have hit the nail, again, my friend, the left wing in europe still can't figure out, why their is a huge rise in right wingism, in the eu, with parties like the french national front, danish people's party, and other parties, taking alot of seats, and even getting second in their elections, the left wing parties turned a blind eye and let some bad apples, from ethnic backgrounds, do what the hell they like, even commit rape and murder, people in britain and europe have had enough, in australia, they have zero tolerance on people who refuse to intergrate, and deport them,

[Oliver_W]

*Fulll survelliance in all mosque activities
*Close islamic schools, or force and enforce their following of the National Curriculum
*Remove children from the households of people showing extremist islamic views, put them into care

[joeysteele]

We need to stop ISIS from trying to invade other countries land, but I notice that he hasn't really mentioned anything about that.

I really hope he is waking up to the threat from this thing termed IS, he needs to start here in the UK too.
Of course build up more cooperation form other Nations but start to do something and get on with it.

As head of the govt,he will have at his disposal all information relevant and I wholly agree with you Mock,he should start doing and not just talking, no time for his daft procrastination stance on this any more.

[Kizzy]

How about you don't sell them guns dave?