Did VTS really keep the good ones in?

[Oliver_W]

I've not seen any of the civilian series with VTS, but when good characters leave over boring ones, I see posts on here and DS which bemoan VTE. Did the VTS days get rid of the deadwood and save the good ones?

[Macie Lightfoot]

No, people just overstate the impact of VTS when things don't go their way in VTE.

[MB.]

(also vice versa)

[Marsh.]

No, people just overstate the impact of VTS when things don't go their way in VTE.

This.

[Lostie!]

If you class tedious dickheads like Conor and Katie Hopkins as "good ones", then yep, VTS keeps the good ones in.

[MB.]

Solution: don't cast awful people who they know full well will dominate the highlights shows?

[y.winter]

Let the Conor posts begin!

[karl100589]

I share the sentiment that VTS is overrated in terms of how sucessful it is in keeping big characters around, but I prefer it over VTE more then anything because I feel that VTE causes more producer manipulation over the nomination process. We should all know by now that production likes to play favourites, and with VTS you had somewhat of a safety net to keep around the larger personalities whilst still making it appear as if there was a comparitive fairness. With VTE however we get situations similar to what happened with Marc and Hellbitch in the past two seasons where production can't trust the public to keep controversial personalities in so resort to desperate twists and gimmicks to keep them away from the baying public who would get shot of them at the first chance ala Marc. It makes the show seem even more farcical then what it already is.

At the same time however I feel that VTS's biggest flaw is that by being a safety net for larger characters it means that the house's storylines can't progress because the bigger characters clog up the airtime, we saw with Speidi in CBB11 that VTS keeping them around caused the show to stagnate on a Rylan vs Speidi storyline which got incredibly tedious by season's end, yet with BB14 a series which lost big characters like Sallie, Wolfy, Jemima early on caused the likes of Callum and Charlie to come out of their shells and develop into great personalities, which may not have happened if BB14 had VTS.

[Jason.]

If you class tedious dickheads like Conor and Katie Hopkins as "good ones", then yep, VTS keeps the good ones in.

And Perez Hilton
And James Jordan

[LukeB]

remember when VTS saved Lauren Goodger(is that her name idk) and Ricc on CBB14? they were so entertaining :D

[y.winter]

With VTS we would have marc winning this series. Thankfully it was VTE, so I couldn't care less about the Conor thing.

[Macie Lightfoot]

remember when VTS saved Lauren Goodger(is that her name idk) and Ricc on CBB14? they were so entertaining :D

Lauren Goodger is a national treasure check your facts.

[ThriceShy]

With VTS we would have marc winning this series. Thankfully it was VTE, so I couldn't care less about the Conor thing.


Yep. VTS would have saved this series.

Dullards Chloe and Danny would have been evicted in week 2.

[MB.]

Well actually Danny had a huge fan base in week two, hence him being in the top three for the 'winner' poll four days in

[MB.]

(and Harriet would have stayed too, which would have been abysmal)

[ThriceShy]

(and Harriet would have stayed too, which would have been abysmal)

Taxi accuser Chloe would have definitely gone. And Harriet staying would have been brilliant for the series when she went up against Marc and Helen later on.

[Lostie!]

I actually think Danny would have been even less likely to go under VTS. Actually, had Sarah not pissed people off, I think he'd have gone that night.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I think Chloe would be first out then Kieran then Twins then Sarah.

Meaning Harriet&Danny staying. Tbh Harriet vs Helen would be amazing

[Jack_]

Taxi accuser Chloe would have definitely gone. And Harriet staying would have been brilliant for the series when she went up against Marc and Helen later on.

Well isn't this a surprise, we don't often agree but on this we do

4in4out ruined the series and robbed us of even better reactions to Helen's presence had Harriet, Sarah and the twins still been around

[Ramsay]

Harriet woulda licked Helen's arse let's not kid ourselves

[VanessaFeltz.]

Well isn't this a surprise, we don't often agree but on this we do

4in4out ruined the series and robbed us of even better reactions to Helen's presence had Harriet, Sarah and the twins still been around

This series was ruined when dumbass producers swapped nominations.

Aaron Jade Cristian Joel would've gone (I dont think producers would remove him if he was getting evicted anyways or they would reduce it to 3 out) and we lost jade anyways we still would be better off with this

[ThriceShy]

Well isn't this a surprise, we don't often agree but on this we do

4in4out ruined the series and robbed us of even better reactions to Helen's presence had Harriet, Sarah and the twins still been around

Yes, 4in4out did spoil things and only Harriet and Sarah staying during 4in4out could have salvaged it I think.

I would have loved to see how it would have panned out once Aaron was ejected and Sarah was gunning for Joel. But we was robbed, as they say.

[LukeB]

Lauren Goodger is a national treasure check your facts.

I love her but she wasn't that good on CBB but i still liked her

[Jack_]

Harriet woulda licked Helen's arse let's not kid ourselves

I'm not so sure about that, she'd have hated Marc for his treatment of Chloe early on especially and that would've been hilarious in itself, and Marc and Helen teaming up would've cemented her hatred for her I reckon

I think the Brian and Helen incident would've panned out very differently if those three were still there, and Jade hadn't been evicted

[Ant.]

VTS saved Katie Hopkins and Perez Hilton in January, and I think it's safe to say that they wouldn't survive a VTE. Also VTS (or was it VTW?) eventually got rid of Kavana (thank god) but, at the same time, Perez
VTE has been great in some instances, such as Winston's iconic eviction last year

The only person I wanted out after the nominations were switched in 4in4out was Danny (and kinda Sarah after what she said to Joel). To be honest, I'd rather the entire house was up (Getting rid of Danny, Cristian, Jack, and Aaron all in one would've been ideal for me, albeit very unlikely), just as long as we got to see the confrontation between Kieran and Marc and Harriet, Sarah, the twins vs Helen

4in4out was a trainwreck anyway, I'd rather they just put the four housemates in and then had a couple of double evictions scattered throughout the series.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I love her but she wasn't that good on CBB but i still liked her

She was great on CBB! She was a hilariously annoying drunk preoccupied with her celebrity status and I was endeared by her transparent falseness <3

VTS saved Katie Hopkins and Perez Hilton in January, and I think it's safe to say that they wouldn't survive a VTE.

That's enough for me to want VTE!

[Ashley.]

It didn't save Heaven over Aden. :fist:
http://bigbrother.damaja.co.uk/Content/images/BB2011/BB2011img_HeavenFallsInPopularityAndFallsUpTheStai rsWhenLeavingTheHouse.jpg

[Marsh.]

She was great on CBB! She was a hilariously annoying drunk preoccupied with her celebrity status and I was endeared by her transparent falseness <3

She sounds amazing described like that but I literally don't remember a single thing about her time in the house. :laugh:

[RichardG]

VTS, while not "100% successful", is still more likely to save the 'big characters' like Perez and Katie H and Marc, assuming there is at least 3, preferably 4+ people up for eviction. Whether or not that's a good thing comes down to personal preference in housemates I guess.

[Ant.]

That's enough for me to want VTE!

I loved Katie H but hated Perez, but I was glad both of them stayed until the end, they made CBB15 what it is

[armand.kay]

No, people just overstate the impact of VTS when things don't go their way in VTE.

This.

[armand.kay]

All we need is for all the housemates to be really good so we can evict people based on who we dislike instead of having to save awful people just because they are the only interesting ones.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I loved Katie H but hated Perez, but I was glad both of them stayed until the end, they made CBB15 what it is

I thought 15 was complete garbage and focused way too much on Katie and Perez, not to mention that I hate them both. The series would've held its own without them.

[armand.kay]

Imagine how awful bb7 would of been if shabaz and sezer made it till the end? The entire series would of been focused on their feaud which I was sick off 3 days in..

[Marsh.]

I loved Katie H but hated Perez, but I was glad both of them stayed until the end, they made CBB15 what it is

A repetitive, drawn out slog?

[Ant.]

I thought 15 was complete garbage and focused way too much on Katie and Perez, not to mention that I hate them both. The series would've held its own without them.

I thought it was one of the best CBB series we've had so our opinions differ, and I (never thought I would, but I did) voted a lot for Katie to win. But I do agree that it was focussed on them a bit too much and I'd like to see how it'd compared without them

At the same time though, there could have been eviction campaigns to save them (as this has happened with other housemates) by evicted another housemate instead.
Big, controversial, and hated characters like Perez and Katie show how VTS saves the most 'interesting' and gets rid of the 'bores'

[Ant.]

A repetitive, drawn out slog?

I found it entertaining, but then again after BB15 and CBB14 I would've found paint drying paint entertaining

[Black Dagger]

Only really for CBB9 tbh. Kirk and Natalie is the best C5 eviction

[Black Dagger]

Oh and for Speidi I guess.

[Black Dagger]

Losing queen Patsy over Cami shows VTS is a flop in my eyes these days. Bar the odd occasion.

[LukeB]

She was great on CBB! She was a hilariously annoying drunk preoccupied with her celebrity status and I was endeared by her transparent falseness <3


her thing with ricci is her downfall tbh and it didn't entertain me (well CBB14 didn;t entertain me tbh, She was much better than Sam tho (</3 still love her) but Kirk will always be my favourite towie housemate.

[rk3388]

-Speidi, Perez, Kristina and KArissa etc. would have been evicted week one of their series- i think it definitely helps having VTS

[Marsh.]

-Speidi, Perez, Kristina and KArissa etc. would have been evicted week one of their series- i think it definitely helps having VTS

Increasing the quality of 9, 11 and 15 hugely. :clap1:

[MB.]

Oh and for Speidi I guess.

...of the many (/quite a few) good VTS results, that isn't one...

[Jason.]

I liked Lauren Goodger, in CBB14. I admit, I wasn't a fan of her at first, and that showmance thing with Ricci was disgusting. But during her last few days, she showed a side I really liked. Sticking up for Gary and Audley against James was great. It showed how nasty James was, when once she challenged him, he then tried to turn the house against her because she didn't agree with him. Pathetic. And her telling Ricci what for was fantastic :lovedup:

I think she peaked too late, TBH. At that point, she hadn't done much to warrant being saved and when she often did, it was something that just re-enforced the image she had on the outside world. Had she peaked earlier, instead of her last few days, she would've had more support. She did well, though. She was only evicted 2 days before the final.

I think she's my favourite TOWIE housemate.

[MB.]

I've wiped the entirety of post-Frenchy CBB14 from my memory so I'll take your word for it on this one

[Jason.]

I've wiped the entirety of post-Frenchy CBB14 from my memory so I'll take your word for it on this one

:joker:

CBB14 was awful.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I looooove Lauren because you could always count on her to get really drunk and then annoying the **** out of everyone by peeing in the pool or getting her tits out "on accident" and then the next morning she'd wake up and have no idea how much everyone hates her :joker: my personal favorite was when she went on a tirade to everyone about how she's the only one with anything to lose and the media isn't going to care about what George or James does (which I get her point but of course she expressed it in the worst way possible <33333) and everyone else got more and more pissed off at her and then she was left with only Gary and Audley to socialize with :joker: I don't even think CBB14 is that bad tbh, it's probably my favorite summer CBB and about as good as we'll get in modern day BBUK.

On the other hand, Kirk is awful and his treatment of Georgia was gross, and I've said plenty on Speidi over the years but they're also really really awful :3

[Ashley.]

Increasing the quality of 9, 11 and 15 hugely. :clap1:

The twins were awful! I didn't find them entertaining at all, they just sat around being twins. Nicola on the other hand...

[Marsh.]

the twins were awful! I didn't find them entertaining at all, they just sat around being twins. Nicola on the other hand...

shred! Shred! Shred!

[Black Dagger]

...of the many (/quite a few) good VTS results, that isn't one...

Yeah a series with Tricia and Gillian just drinking tea would have been great.

[Black Dagger]

And Lauren Goodger was great. Easily the best TOWIE housemate. Not that she had competition

[armand.kay]

Only good this vts did was keep Deana safe for so long but most those evictions were head to head to I doubt it made a difference.