Zimbabwe:Evil USA Dentist 'Paid £32k To Behead Famous Lion'

[arista]

[The lion, named Cecil, was lured from a national park and shot
with a crossbow, before being tracked for 40 hours and
then shot with a gun, according to Johnny Rodrigues,
head of the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force.
The 13-year-old lion was then decapitated and skinned.]


http://news.sky.com/story/1526549/us-dentist-paid-32k-to-behead-famous-lion

This was so wrong

[kirklancaster]

I will gladly save the Zimbabwe Government a lot of money by beating both the evil bastards to death with my bare hands. Prison is too lenient a sentence.

[Lostie!]

What utter ***** they are.

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh its Africa again

:idc:

[Cherie]

Awful people in the world poor Cecil

[arista]

Awful people in the world poor Cecil


His USA Dentistry has stayed closed
as so many now hate him.
Online he is getting angry public


I do want to post the picture of that Great Lion
I would rather post photos of someone attacking the Dentist

[Kizzy]

oh its Africa again

:idc:

Not many lions to be had elsewhere strangely.

[lewis111]

I don't understand why anyone would pay to do that, it's awful

[Kazanne]

What an utter bastard,just seen this on TV,what a ****ing coward,if he has money to throw away on such an abhorrent act,maybe he should give it to a charity,I hope the effing twunt gets killed and his head paraded on a spike,the ****

[Livia]

I will gladly save the Zimbabwe Government a lot of money by beating both the evil bastards to death with my bare hands. Prison is too lenient a sentence.

Nice to see you, Kirk!

Give this poor excuse for a human a knife and dump him in the bush. That's proper hunting on equal terms. Every lion he kills he can keep.

[arista]

What an utter bastard,just seen this on TV,what a ****ing coward,if he has money to throw away on such an abhorrent act,maybe he should give it to a charity,I hope the effing twunt gets killed and his head paraded on a spike,the ****


Yes a Pure Evil Act.

Maybe his US Dentist Surgery will close forever

[Shaun]

wouldn't it have been cheaper, more gratifying, and much more socially acceptable to behead the much-more-famous Piers Morgan instead?

what a tragic waste of life. The lion too.

[Kazanne]

Yes a Pure Evil Act.

Maybe his US Dentist Surgery will close forever

I hope no one ever uses his services again,what an evil twat,I have no words to describe people who do such things.Wonder if he will be a target himself now? I truly hope so.

[Livia]

I hope no one ever uses his services again,what an evil twat,I have no words to describe people who do such things.Wonder if he will be a target himself now? I truly hope so.

Looks like the hunter has become the hunted. He's having a really bad time now his name's been released and I couldn't be more delighted. All these people should be named and shamed. And I see two Zimbabweans go on trial tomorrow, I think. I hope they drop him in the sh1t.

[arista]

Looks like the hunter has become the hunted. He's having a really bad time now his name's been released and I couldn't be more delighted. All these people should be named and shamed. And I see two Zimbabweans go on trial tomorrow, I think. I hope they drop him in the sh1t.


I hope back home
Someone Punches him in the Face
knocking his Teeth Out

[Livia]

I hope back home
Someone Punches him in the Face
knocking his Teeth Out

I agree arista. Of course, if we're making the punishment fit the crime, I would be happy for him to be shot with a crossbow and then skinned.

[Kazanne]

Looks like the hunter has become the hunted. He's having a really bad time now his name's been released and I couldn't be more delighted. All these people should be named and shamed. And I see two Zimbabweans go on trial tomorrow, I think. I hope they drop him in the sh1t.

:clap1:Great stuff Livia,If there is one thing I hate about the human race is their cruelty,I am a peaceful person believe it or not,but when it comes to things like this I think I could quite happily shoot the bastard myself,but somewhere where it wouldn't kill him straight away,let him linger for 40 hours.

[Jay.]

what an absolute ****

[Livia]

:clap1:Great stuff Livia,If there is one thing I hate about the human race is their cruelty,I am a peaceful person believe it or not,but when it comes to things like this I think I could quite happily shoot the bastard myself,but somewhere where it wouldn't kill him straight away,let him linger for 40 hours.

We should team up and go in armed. I would suggest a bladder shot. Leave him to kick up the ground for a few hours. B*stard.

[kirklancaster]

Nice to see you, Kirk!

Give this poor excuse for a human a knife and dump him in the bush. That's proper hunting on equal terms. Every lion he kills he can keep.

Hi Liv,

What do you think to my 'Livia'?

[Livia]

Hi Liv,

What do you think to my 'Livia'?

Haven't seen it... I'm to find it...

[Kazanne]

We should team up and go in armed. I would suggest a bladder shot. Leave him to kick up the ground for a few hours. B*stard.

With you all the way.

[kirklancaster]

Haven't seen it... I'm to find it...

Kirk Titmarsh thread on Chat Liv. :laugh:

[Livia]

Kirk Titmarsh thread on Chat Liv. :laugh:

Got it. SOOO impressed, it looks really amazing, Kirk. You're a real artist. (And not a p1ss artist, before LT chimes in.)

[Kazanne]

looks as though Cecil will not be the only victim in this lowlifes pursuit if 'sport'
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAdBnee.img?h=410&w=728&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/us-dentist-deeply-regrets-killing-lion/ar-AAdALge?ocid=U348DHP
looks like Cecils cubs might die too. :-(

[Livia]

looks as though Cecil will not be the only victim in this lowlifes pursuit if 'sport'
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAdBnee.img?h=410&w=728&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/us-dentist-deeply-regrets-killing-lion/ar-AAdALge?ocid=U348DHP
looks like Cecils cubs might die too. :-(

I've seen pics of him with all kinds of animals including a rhino. Still, on the plus side, plenty of pictures of him online so his life has changed forever.

[lostalex]

at least a lion is a savage beast that is used to being at the top of the food chain just like humans, so it was a fair fight.

Killing an herbivore (like a cow or a chicken) that is completely defenseless and has never killed another animal is far more evil imho.

[Livia]

at least a lion is a savage beast that is used to being at the top of the food chain just like humans, so it was a fair fight.

Killing an herbivore, like a cow or a chicken is far more evil imho.

Killing a lion with a hunting crossbow from quite a long range is not a fair fight. Going after it with a spear... that's a fair fight. He's ultimately a coward.

[lostalex]

Killing a lion with a hunting crossbow from quite a long range is not a fair fight. Going after it with a spear... that's a fair fight. He's ultimately a coward.

not really, lions are just as cowardly, they only pick on much weaker creatures and savagely kill them, sometimes not even for food, but just to prove their prowess and social status to other lions. and of course to impress the ladies to get more sex.

male lions are just as petty and cruel as this man was.

[Livia]

not really, lions are just as cowardly, they only pick on much weaker creatures and savagely kill them, sometimes not even for food, but just to prove their prowess and social status to other lions. and of course to impress the ladies to get more sex.

male lions are just as petty and cruel as this man was.

This was a wild animal living on instinct, not a rational being. Lions kill to eat. This man kills because it's probably the only way he can get a hard on. He kills because he enjoys it... which is something rather dubious in a thinking, reasoning being. Like I say, if he wants to be on equal terms with the lion, go in with a spear the way the Massai do. That's equal terms.

[user104658]

at least a lion is a savage beast that is used to being at the top of the food chain just like humans, so it was a fair fight.

Killing an herbivore (like a cow or a chicken) that is completely defenseless and has never killed another animal is far more evil imho.
Buts cows and chickens don't have names, Alex, so it's OK to kill those.

If they were called Kevin the Chicken and Siobhan the Cow, everyone would cry.

[Livia]

Buts cows and chickens don't have names, Alex, so it's OK to kill those.

If they were called Kevin the Chicken and Siobhan the Cow, everyone would cry.

Cows and chickens are bred for food.

[user104658]

Cows and chickens are bred for food.
Truuuueee but I would wager that you could print an emotive story about Kevin the Chicken in the paper, get people invested in him, only to find out he died, and they would read it in McDonald's, and feel upset about Kevin whilst at the same time munching on Chicken Nuggets.

That's how sentimentality works, I guess. People still get huffy about Koreans eating dogs, even the ones that are bred for food.

[lewis111]

Lions eat met at that's the animals they are it doesn't make it fair to kill them, you couldn't just going about slaughtering every non-vegetarian human because it was a fair fight.

[lostalex]

This was a wild animal living on instinct, not a rational being. Lions kill to eat. This man kills because it's probably the only way he can get a hard on. He kills because he enjoys it... which is something rather dubious in a thinking, reasoning being. Like I say, if he wants to be on equal terms with the lion, go in with a spear the way the Massai do. That's equal terms.

lions don't kill to eat. the wildlife sanctuary even mentioned in this same press release that the next highest male lion will probably kill all of this lions cubs, not to eat, but just to destroy it's genetic lineage. to impress the other male lions, and prove it's sexual prowess to the female lions.

lions are just as evil if you consider this man to be evil.

man is just as much a primal animal as a lion.

in this case a man won. in many other cases a lion wins.

[lostalex]

Lions eat met at that's the animals they are it doesn't make it fair to kill them, you couldn't just going about slaughtering every non-vegetarian human because it was a fair fight.

so why do male lions kill all lion cubs that aren't their own kids? if a female lion is impregnated by another lion the lead male lion kills all of her cubs, and it's not for food. so you are wrong.

[Crimson Dynamo]

not really, lions are just as cowardly, they only pick on much weaker creatures and savagely kill them, sometimes not even for food, but just to prove their prowess and social status to other lions. and of course to impress the ladies to get more sex.

male lions are just as petty and cruel as this man was.

You try living for food day to day and with the possibility that you may starve and you will change as a person and go for the easiest and best way to get fed.

[lostalex]

Buts cows and chickens don't have names, Alex, so it's OK to kill those.

If they were called Kevin the Chicken and Siobhan the Cow, everyone would cry.

egggsactly.

[lostalex]

You try living for food day to day and with the possibility that you may starve and you will change as a person and go for the easiest and best way to get fed.

actually male lions are known to sit around all day doing nothing and waiting for the female lions to bring him their kills.

[Crimson Dynamo]

so why do male lions kill all lion cubs that aren't their own kids? if a female lion is impregnated by another lion the lead male lion kills all of her cubs, and it's not for food. so you are wrong.

that is bred into their genes through millions of years of evolution, it is to protect their bloodline

its hardly a lifestyle choice and cannot be judged by human standards

[lostalex]

that is bred into their genes through millions of years of evolution, it is to protect their bloodline

its hardly a lifestyle choice and cannot be judged by human standards

you have far too high an opinion of humans my dear. we are animals too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

you have far too high an opinion of humans my dear. we are animals too.

sounds like you have been to Falkirk..

[lewis111]

so why do male lions kill all lion cubs that aren't their own kids? if a female lion is impregnated by another lion the lead male lion kills all of her cubs, and it's not for food. so you are wrong.

Alright so lions aren't the nicest animals on the planet, but in no way does that make this mans actions justifiable. He paid $50000 to kill this animal, like he really wanted to kill it, and we don't know if the one he killed ate lion cubs.

[lostalex]

Alright so lions aren't the nicest animals on the planet, but in no way does that make this mans actions justifiable. He paid $50000 to kill this animal, like he really wanted to kill it, and we don't know if the one he killed ate lion cubs.

the same press release that gave his name also said that the next strong male in the group would most likely kill all the lion cubs in the group. some how seeming to blame this dentist (who has helped how many hundreds of people with his medical work) for what lions will do to other lions.

if there is any creature equal to humans in terms of being the top of the food chain on the african plains, certainly it is the lions.

killing a lion is certainly more noble than killing a helpless cow. when's the last time you had a burger or a steak? I'd guess within the last month.

guess what they also kill and eat crocodiles in Australia, crocodiles are also at the top of the food chain.

Also in Africa many countries eat primates, if you really wanna get upset about killing and eating animals, focus on that, they are actually closely genetically related to us.

the Royal family of Britain attends events for entertainment where if a horse falls it can be put to death.

[lewis111]

so why do male lions kill all lion cubs that aren't their own kids? if a female lion is impregnated by another lion the lead male lion kills all of her cubs, and it's not for food. so you are wrong.

the same press release that gave his name also said that the next strong male in the group would most likely kill all the lion cubs in the group. some how seeming to blame this dentist (who has helped how many hundreds of people with his medical work) for what lions will do to other lions.

if there is any creature equal to humans in terms of being the top of the food chain on the african plains, certainly it is the lions.

killing a lion is certainly more noble than killing a helpless cow. when's the last time you had a burger or a steak? I'd guess within the last month.

guess what they also kill and eat crocodiles in Australia, crocodiles are also at the top of the food chain.

Yea I eat meat but that's because of the culture I was brought up in, it's just natural to eat beef, pork etc. I'm sure that man wasn't brought up being told it's fine to pay $50,000 to kill a lion for no reason apart from the feeling of killing it.
If I had to kill the animal I ate I would no doubt stop eating meat, but this is about him, who killed an animal for no reason, plus he also has a stronger more developed mind than the lion does, the lion may not be aware killing the cubs or other animals is wrong, he knew he was being pure evil.

[lostalex]

Yea I eat meat but that's because of the culture I was brought up in, it's just natural to eat beef, pork etc. I'm sure that man wasn't brought up being told it's fine to pay $50,000 to kill a lion for no reason apart from the feeling of killing it.
If I had to kill the animal I ate I would no doubt stop eating meat, but this is about him, who killed an animal for no reason, plus he also has a stronger more developed mind than the lion does, the lion may not be aware killing the cubs or other animals is wrong, he knew he was being pure evil.

so you claim ignorance, but a man who put up plenty of money and researched how and why he was killing an animal is pure evil.

so you are saying you are less evil just because you don't put as much thought into it?

sorry, that doesn't fly with me.

You wanting a cheap thrill with your taste buds is no different than him wanting a cheap thrill with his rifle. both result in a dead animal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is a hypocricy about this and how we eat slaughtered animals I get that

I truly believe that one day in the future we will all be vegetarian and look on our meat eating days like we look on the goings on in the Old Testament

[lostalex]

There is a hypocricy about this and how we eat slaughtered animals I get that

I truly believe that one day in the future we will all be vegetarian and look on our meat eating days like we look on the goings on in the Old Testament

I agree. we live in a society that eats cows, while in india they see eating cows the same way we see koreans and chinese eating dog and cat meat. but we have the arrogance to look down on them for eating dogs and cats.

the double standards are insane.

just a few years ago we found out that brits were eats tons of horses. i don't remember anyone complaining about the taste

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree. we live in a society that eats cows, while in india they see eating cows the same way we see koreans and chinese eating dog and cat meat. but we have the arrogance to look down on them for eating dogs and cats.

the double standards are insane.

just a few years ago we found out that brits were eats tons of horses. i don't remember anyone complaining about the taste

Indeed

when we discovered horse meat in Tesco Lasagne we we horrified as a nation and yet 20 odd miles over the channel eating horse meat is seen as normal and nice

[user104658]

sounds like you have been to Falkirk..
I've worked a day in Falkirk. The horrors experienced there cannot be described as mammals.

[arista]

Back at his Home Dentist Business
locals say he better not return there.

On Twitter
they are saying he should be shot.

Ref : SkyNewsHD Live & CBS New live

[Livia]

lions don't kill to eat. the wildlife sanctuary even mentioned in this same press release that the next highest male lion will probably kill all of this lions cubs, not to eat, but just to destroy it's genetic lineage. to impress the other male lions, and prove it's sexual prowess to the female lions.

lions are just as evil if you consider this man to be evil.

man is just as much a primal animal as a lion.

in this case a man won. in many other cases a lion wins.

Humans and lions are not the same rational, reasonable beings. You can't even begin to equate the two. I can't remember the last time I read about a lion killing a man with a crossbow.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://time.com/3976423/jimmy-kimmel-cecil-lion-hunt/

Jimmy Kimmel Is Really Upset About the Dentist That Killed Cecil the Lion


I like JK now

[Livia]

Always been a Kimmel fan. He restores my faith and I agree with every word he said.

[Xtopher]

Jimmy is just amazing.

[lostalex]

Humans and lions are not the same rational, reasonable beings. You can't even begin to equate the two. I can't remember the last time I read about a lion killing a man with a crossbow.

and i can't remember the last time a man killed a lion with his own bare teeth and jaws. lions have super powerful jaws and razor sharp teeth, and humans have their own deadly weapons that lions don't have. so what;s your point?

[Livia]

and i can't remember the last time a man killed a lion with his own be teeth and jaws. lions have super powerful jaws and Frazer sharp teeth, and humans have their own deadly weapons that lions have. so what;s your point?

Alex, I love ya... but this argument is stupid.

[lostalex]

Alex, I love ya... but this argument is stupid.

i don't think it's stupid for me to argue that humans are not some super sophisticated spiritual beings, they actually are just animals at the top of the food chain.

I really don't understand why people keep being brainwashed by religion to think humans are so much more sophisticated than animals

we are savage animals, that's the only point i'm making. so a human is no more "evil" or "wrong" than a savage animal like a lion.

To me, it's silly to argue otherwise. look around you, read the news. humans are savage animals too.

[Livia]

i don't think it's stupid for me to argue that humans are not some super sophisticated spiritual beings, they actually are just animals at the top of the food chain.

I really don't understand why people keep being brainwashed by religion to think humans are so much more sophisticated than animals

we are savage animals, that's the only point i'm making. so a human is no more "evil" or "wrong" than a savage animal like a lion.

To me, it's silly to argue otherwise. look around you, read the news. humans are savage animals too.

It's science, not religion. We reason, we use tools, we have emotions, we love, we hate, we tell stories, we use our imagination... We are much more sophisticated than animals, not just because of the opposable thumb but because we can philosophise, we can heal, we can build... We are simply animals but at the same time we are superior to the rest of the animals. Well... some of us are. This dickless dentist isn't.

[lostalex]

It's science, not religion. We reason, we use tools, we have emotions, we love, we hate, we tell stories, we use our imagination... We are much more sophisticated than animals, not just because of the opposable thumb but because we can philosophise, we can heal, we can build... We are simply animals but at the same time we are superior to the rest of the animals. Well... some of us are. This dickless dentist isn't.

all of our so-called sophisticated art and technology, points straight back to the same thing, that we are just temporary animals surviving as best we can, just like every other animal. and we will be gone too.

the only thing we are superior at, is wasting more resources to accomplish the same animalistic/sexual/egotistical/disappointing life that all creatures on this planet experience. whether it's a fly that lives for 2 days, or a tortoise that lives for 200 years.

we use resources to satisfy ourselves, and in the end it means nothing. because every single thing that we are, used to be nothing. and it all will become nothing again, eventually.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

at least a lion is a savage beast that is used to being at the top of the food chain just like humans, so it was a fair fight.

Killing an herbivore (like a cow or a chicken) that is completely defenseless and has never killed another animal is far more evil imho.

Yup. So tired of faux outrage :facepalm: What's the update on fox hunting?

[Cherie]

Yup. So tired of faux outrage :facepalm: What's the update on fox hunting?

False? It is possible that conservation is high on some people priorities and no I don't agree with fox hunting either

[waterhog]

It's science, not religion. We reason, we use tools, we have emotions, we love, we hate, we tell stories, we use our imagination... We are much more sophisticated than animals, not just because of the opposable thumb but because we can philosophise, we can heal, we can build... We are simply animals but at the same time we are superior to the rest of the animals. Well... some of us are. This dickless dentist isn't.

to have a profession that is skilled and then to do something like this - it just does not add up.

[Cherie]

to have a profession that is skilled and then to do something like this - it just does not add up.

I think it more than adds up, bored rich man looking for bloodthirsty kicks

[arista]

But In America he is Now
Hated so much.
He has had to go into hiding

[armand.kay]

tbh they should put him in a cage with a lion with no weapons and see how tough he is then.

[Kizzy]

I've seen the trophy shots with many animals including a rhino, how come he hasn't been stopped before now?

[GypsyGoth]

I've seen the trophy shots with many animals including a rhino, how come he hasn't been stopped before now?

I watched a documentary by louis theroux on game hunting, and there are places in africa that breed animals just for wealthy people to shoot.

As far as I know it's totally legal.

[Livia]

Yup. So tired of faux outrage :facepalm: What's the update on fox hunting?

Haven't seen any faux outrage. I've seen genuine outrage.

[arista]

From Ch4HD News
The Police have now had to close the roads
around his Dentist Surgery.
Due to a Protest and Big Threats

[Crimson Dynamo]

I watched a documentary by louis theroux on game hunting, and there are places in africa that breed animals just for wealthy people to shoot.

As far as I know it's totally legal.

being "legal" in Zimbabwe is somewhat of an oxymoron

[Kazanne]

Be carefull Mr dentist,one of your species might be about to hunt you down,they may lure you out of your hiding place and have a bit of sport with you.

[Livia]

Be carefull Mr dentist,one of your species might be about to hunt you down,they may lure you out of your hiding place and have a bit of sport with you.

What I don't understand is someone who's shot so many animals, who considers himself a "big game hunter" has a lion dragged out for him, lit up with a spotlight and still manages only to wound him. Some ****ing hunter... and then spend forty hours tracking the terribly wounded animal before killing it with a gun. They tried to destroy the GPS tracker and failed. I'm not a fortune teller, but I see ruin in his future. Fingers crossed, anyway.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/30/11/2AF34A4C00000578-3178821-Escalating_protests_Campaigners_hold_up_placards_b randing_Dr_Pal-m-31_1438253926313.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/30/11/2AF34A5700000578-3178821-image-a-25_1438251862458.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/29/05/2AEB836100000578-3178135-image-a-2_1438143381314.jpg
[Outpouring of grief: A memorial to
the famous lion at a Zimbabwe national park
who was shot by American dentist
Walter Palmer has been set up
outside his office in Bloomington,
Minnesota, along with a sign
calling the hunter a killer]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3178821/Pictured-court-face-charges-poaching-Two-accomplices-accused-helping-dentist-kill-Cecil-lion-appear-magistrates-Zimbabwe.html#ixzz3hNpmWyoD


Shut Him Down

[Kazanne]

What I don't understand is someone who's shot so many animals, who considers himself a "big game hunter" has a lion dragged out for him, lit up with a spotlight and still manages only to wound him. Some ****ing hunter... and then spend forty hours tracking the terribly wounded animal before killing it with a gun. They tried to destroy the GPS tracker and failed. I'm not a fortune teller, but I see ruin in his future. Fingers crossed, anyway.

How can this moron even think what he did was legal,he KNEW it wasn't ,as the lion was lured out of safety,that poor beast must have been in such pain,and why would you try and destroy the GPS tracker if what you were doing was legal,If anything good comes of this Livia I hope that the hunting laws get changed or altered it has gone global,lets hope the power of the people can do something to stop these bloody morons with more money than sense,at least don't let Cecil die in vain.

[Tom4784]

Hopefully he is brought to justice but extraditing someone from America is difficult so chances are he won't be punished for it. I do hope the hunters that can and will face charges will be punished severely.

[Kizzy]

The lion was said to be 'collared' does that actually mean he was wearing a collar or it was microchipped?

[Tom4784]

Wearing a collar, I think I remember reading that the hunters tried to destroy it to cover their tracks.

[Livia]

He was wearing a collar with a GPS tracker on it. They tried to destroy it and failed.

[arista]

He was wearing a collar with a GPS tracker on it. They tried to destroy it and failed.


Yes Criminal & Evil

[Kizzy]

Right, then they knew before they decapitated him that he wasn't 'fair game'.
They all deserve punishment then, his suggesting that he was unaware of the origin of the lion is an out and out lie.

[Kazanne]

Right, then they knew before they decapitated him that he wasn't 'fair game'.
They all deserve punishment then, his suggesting that he was unaware of the origin of the lion is an out and out lie.

Yes another lying coward afraid to face what he has done,these are the people I call 'vile'

[reece(:]

Awful act of evil, hope the scum is brought to justice.

[Anaesthesia]

He was wearing a collar with a GPS tracker on it. They tried to destroy it and failed.

The GPS collar was part of an Oxford University research project. What upsets me even more is that there is already an existing photograph of him next to the corpse of another lion. How many damn lions do you need to decorate your house, and what kind of message does it send to your children?

Disgusting animal.

[Suze]

If the punishment were to fit the crime, he would have a tracker on him and then be hunted by others.

[Kazanne]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/1558560_233799490077745_732379464_n.jpg?oh=6182910 7a5c1849f6c92ef31dbc3550c&oe=5649B9C0

This is how REAL men shoot animals

[Suze]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/1558560_233799490077745_732379464_n.jpg?oh=6182910 7a5c1849f6c92ef31dbc3550c&oe=5649B9C0

This is how REAL men shoot animals

What a gorgeous photo, and what a beautiful animal - the Leopard or Cheetah that is :D

[Kazanne]

What a gorgeous photo, and what a beautiful animal - the Leopard or Cheetah that is :D

This picture is worth a thousand dead animal heads,how proud would you be if you had as picture like this ? how sweet that Leopard or Cheetah is sitting there taking it all in,lol,I don't know what it is either Suze.

[arista]

Great Photo Kaz

thanks

[Natalie.]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/1558560_233799490077745_732379464_n.jpg?oh=6182910 7a5c1849f6c92ef31dbc3550c&oe=5649B9C0

This is how REAL men shoot animals

'Zoom in a bit more please Jeffrey' :flutter: great picture

[MTVN]

You missed the part where the leopard rips his throat open once it recovers from the doping

[MTVN]

As you can see I am in a very cheerful mood this evening

[Livia]

You missed the part where the leopard rips his throat open once it recovers from the doping

As you can see I am in a very cheerful mood this evening

LOL... MTVN, you grumpus.

[Cherie]

You missed the part where the leopard rips his throat open once it recovers from the doping

:laugh2:


Great pic Kaz

[user104658]

It's a cheetah. Probably killed by that dentist and stuffed... H... Hehe...

No in all seriousness, apparently cheetahs are quite easy to tame compared to other big cats. If they're domesticated from birth they're just like big versions of regular cats. But smarter. Regular cats are ****ing stupid.

[kirklancaster]

I have always found 'Trophies' consisting of stuffed animals or wall mounted animal heads macabre and gruesome, and have always wondered just why anyone would want to kill living creatures and display them with such perverted pride.

The evil cretins who believe that it is heroic to slaughter outnumbered wildlife from a safe distance with sophisticated rifles, are as delusional as the evil terrorist bastards who believe they are pleasing 'God' by blowing up unsuspecting victims and/or beheading cowered, bound and outnumbered innocent civilians - and just as cowardly.

These 'hunters' are demented and sick, as are those who see no wrong in it - in my opinion.

[lostalex]

I have always found 'Trophies' consisting of stuffed animals or wall mounted animal heads macabre and gruesome, and have always wondered just why anyone would want to kill living creatures and display them with such perverted pride.

The evil cretins who believe that it is heroic to slaughter outnumbered wildlife from a safe distance with sophisticated rifles, are as delusional as the evil terrorist bastards who believe they are pleasing 'God' by blowing up unsuspecting victims and/or beheading cowered, bound and outnumbered innocent civilians - and just as cowardly.

These 'hunters' are demented and sick, as are those who see no wrong in it - in my opinion.

they are no more sick than any person who eats hamburgers or sausages and fuels the slaughter of millions of cows and pigs.

he's no more evil than a starving african who kills a goat to feed his family.

killing is killing is killing.

[Ammi]

..I don't know if this is true because it hasn't been confirmed/well actually been denied in fact but I'll post anyway...


The brother of Cecil the lion, Jericho, has been shot dead by poachers, the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force has said.

The organisation wrote on Facebook: "It is with huge disgust and sadness that we have just been informed that Jericho, Cecil's brother, has been killed at 4pm today.

"We are absolutely heartbroken."

However, a researcher monitoring the pride has disputed the claim.

"He looks alive and well to me as far as I can tell," said Brent Stapelkamp, field researcher for the Hwange Lion Research Project which is monitoring the lion with a GPS tag.

It is thought Jericho had been protecting Cecil's cubs.

The murder of 13-year-old Cecil by US dentist Walter Palmer on 1 July caused outrage when it was made public earlier this week.

Mr Palmer allegedly paid park guides $50,000 (£32,000) to kill the lion, who was a hugely popular attraction at the Hwange National Park.

More than 140,000 signatures have been gathered for a bid to send the Minnesota dentist to Zimbabwe to face justice.

The White House has said it will review the petition .

Zimbabwean authorities claim they are seeking extradition.

The county has now suspended the hunting of lions, leopards and elephants in the area while it investigates the killing of another lion in July.

A man from a private game park has been arrested over this case, officials said.




https://uk.news.yahoo.com/cecil-lions-brother-shot-dead-poachers-183902770.html#iScWcbV

[Kazanne]

..I don't know if this is true because it hasn't been confirmed/well actually been denied in fact but I'll post anyway...


The brother of Cecil the lion, Jericho, has been shot dead by poachers, the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force has said.

The organisation wrote on Facebook: "It is with huge disgust and sadness that we have just been informed that Jericho, Cecil's brother, has been killed at 4pm today.

"We are absolutely heartbroken."

However, a researcher monitoring the pride has disputed the claim.

"He looks alive and well to me as far as I can tell," said Brent Stapelkamp, field researcher for the Hwange Lion Research Project which is monitoring the lion with a GPS tag.

It is thought Jericho had been protecting Cecil's cubs.

The murder of 13-year-old Cecil by US dentist Walter Palmer on 1 July caused outrage when it was made public earlier this week.

Mr Palmer allegedly paid park guides $50,000 (£32,000) to kill the lion, who was a hugely popular attraction at the Hwange National Park.

More than 140,000 signatures have been gathered for a bid to send the Minnesota dentist to Zimbabwe to face justice.

The White House has said it will review the petition .

Zimbabwean authorities claim they are seeking extradition.

The county has now suspended the hunting of lions, leopards and elephants in the area while it investigates the killing of another lion in July.

A man from a private game park has been arrested over this case, officials said.



https://uk.news.yahoo.com/cecil-lions-brother-shot-dead-poachers-183902770.html#iScWcbV

I've seen that too Ammi ,it's also worse as Jericho had taken over Cecils cubs hence saving them from death by another high ranking male,so now if this is true,the cubs are again in real danger,I give up with some people ,they will never think that animals are just as entitalled to life as we are.

[user104658]

The only solution now is for the cubs to go and live in the jungle with a boar and a meerkat for a few years, until they are old enough to protect themselves when they return to the pride.

[Withano]

not really, lions are just as cowardly, they only pick on much weaker creatures and savagely kill them, sometimes not even for food, but just to prove their prowess and social status to other lions. and of course to impress the ladies to get more sex.

male lions are just as petty and cruel as this man was.

I was really confused about your opinion and I was certain you was actually joking but then i remembered that you were American.

Give a person a gun and tell them its their right, and killing for fun or for revenge doesnt seem like a big deal I suppose.

But obviously killing a lion for fun is wrong, you can argue a case about the world becoming veggies but it falls flat when you say that lions deserve it.

[Kizzy]

Lions only pick on weaker creatures... Are they not top of the food chain? ( if we're unarmed obv)

[lostalex]

I was really confused about your opinion and I was certain you was actually joking but then i remembered that you were American.

Give a person a gun and tell them its their right, and killing for fun or for revenge doesnt seem like a big deal I suppose.

But obviously killing a lion for fun is wrong, you can argue a case about the world becoming veggies but it falls flat when you say that lions deserve it.

i don't see how it's more wrong than killing a helpless animal like a cow just because you like the taste of it's meat. have you eaten any cow lately? do you have any beef, or chicken, or pork, or any other dead animal, in your fridge at the moment?

[lostalex]

Lions only pick on weaker creatures... Are they not top of the food chain? ( if we're unarmed obv)

lions are the king of the jungle, that's my understanding, they are at the top of the food chain, and they hunt weaker animals whenever they like. just like humans do.

i have much more respect for a man that hunts a wild lion than i do a man who eats a hamburger that he didn't have to kill himself, and he just pays a few dollars for someone else to slaughter it in a pen and cut off some meat for him without ever having to get his own hands dirty.

anyone who ate meat this weekend, shame on you! please tell us the name of the animal that died for you to eat it!

[Tom4784]

There's a massive difference in killing for food and killing for sport though. It's pretty dumb to compare the two.

[Kizzy]

lions are the king of the jungle, that's my understanding, they are at the top of the food chain, and they hunt weaker animals whenever they like. just like humans do.

Male lions in a pride don't hunt,lionesses do that. They don't kill indiscriminately they kill to eat.
They are nothing like humans.

[lostalex]

There's a massive difference in killing for food and killing for sport though. It's pretty dumb to compare the two.

i agree there is a massive difference. 1 lion verses millions of cows dying in the same period being ate by the people condemning the killing of the lion.

the millions eating millions of helpless cows for 4 dollars are far more evil than than 1 man paying 50,000 dollars to kill one lion.

[Kizzy]

i agree there is a massive difference. 1 lion verses millions of cows dying in the same period being ate by the people condemning the killing of the lion.

the millions eating millions of helpless cows for 4 dollars are far more evil than than 1 man paying 50,000 dollars to kill one lion.

Cows are raised for food... Lions aren't :/
There are dwindling numbers of lion hence the huge disparity in their worth to hunters.

[user104658]

Cows are raised for food... Lions aren't :/
There are dwindling numbers of lion hence the huge disparity in their worth to hunters.
To be fair, I don't really understand why that matters. The Cow doesn't think "oh I've been raised as food and there's loads of cows anyway so it's OK that I'm going to die". And I doubt lions have any concept of the fact that they are dwindling, either. These are all human considerations being applied by us. To the individual animals none of this is relevant.

[lostalex]

To be fair, I don't really understand why that matters. The Cow doesn't think "oh I've been raised as food and there's loads of cows anyway so it's OK that I'm going to die". And I doubt lions have any concept of the fact that they are dwindling, either. These are all human considerations being applied by us. To the individual animals none of this is relevant.

yup.

i can't make sense of it.

[Tom4784]

i agree there is a massive difference. 1 lion verses millions of cows dying in the same period being ate by the people condemning the killing of the lion.

the millions eating millions of helpless cows for 4 dollars are far more evil than than 1 man paying 50,000 dollars to kill one lion.

Such silly strawman logic.

The dentist killed an endangered animal, not for sustenance or to put the lion to good use afterwards but for sport. People eating beef is in no way comparable to killing a lion for sport, we're not killing the animals for the fun of it we're doing it for food.

Being a meat eater and condemning the needless death of an endangered animal is not contradictory, you'd need to have an incredibly simplistic outlook to think that it is.

[Kazanne]

Cows sheep pigs.etc are bred for food and should be killed humanely,lions are not food fodder and are not bred as such,farm animals are not shot and hunted for 40 hours ,then hung on someones wall or floor as a trophy,it's not rocket science to see the difference although if I had my way none would be killed,but I would be happy for a human cull,get rid of the vermin.

[kirklancaster]

Such silly strawman logic.

The dentist killed an endangered animal, not for sustenance or to put the lion to good use afterwards but for sport. People eating beef is in no way comparable to killing a lion for sport, we're not killing the animals for the fun of it we're doing it for food.

Being a meat eater and condemning the needless death of an endangered animal is not contradictory, you'd need to have an incredibly simplistic outlook to think that it is.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Kizzy]

To be fair, I don't really understand why that matters. The Cow doesn't think "oh I've been raised as food and there's loads of cows anyway so it's OK that I'm going to die". And I doubt lions have any concept of the fact that they are dwindling, either. These are all human considerations being applied by us. To the individual animals none of this is relevant.

That would be fine if we were considering the personal feelings of both these beasts... we aren't.
One is an endangered wild animal and another a captive bred animal
If the roles were reversed and cows had a high price on their heads for poachers I'm sure they would be offered the same sympathy.

[user104658]

Cows sheep pigs.etc are bred for food and should be killed humanely,lions are not food fodder and are not bred as such,farm animals are not shot and hunted for 40 hours ,then hung on someones wall or floor as a trophy,it's not rocket science to see the difference although if I had my way none would be killed,but I would be happy for a human cull,get rid of the vermin.
So if given the choice, would you rather be slaughtered and eaten or hunted and hung on someone's wall? My opinion on this dilemma being that "it doesn't really matter, either way I'd be dead, and dead things don't have preferences".

In other words, it's no worse for the lion to be hung on someone's wall than it is for the cow to be in someone's belly. So why do we make the distinction? We make it for us. Because on some level we consider a Lion to be "worth more" than a cow. When people say how awful it is that an animal species could become extinct, they don't mean that it's awful for that species or any member of that species (as for any individual animal, the extinction of their species is no more or less awful than their own death as an individual)... No... When people say that, they mean that it's awful for "us", because we will have fewer pretty / majestic / wondrous things to ogle in "our" world.

[Kazanne]

So if given the choice, would you rather be slaughtered and eaten or hunted and hung on someone's wall? My opinion on this dilemma being that "it doesn't really matter, either way I'd be dead, and dead things don't have preferences".

In other words, it's no worse for the lion to be hung on someone's wall than it is for the cow to be in someone's belly. So why do we make the distinction? We make it for us. Because on some level we consider a Lion to be "worth more" than a cow. When people say how awful it is that an animal species could become extinct, they don't mean that it's awful for that species or any member of that species (as for any individual animal, the extinction of their species is no more or less awful than their own death as an individual)... No... When people say that, they mean that it's awful for "us", because we will have fewer pretty / majestic / wondrous things to ogle in "our" world.

I don't like that we kill anything but at least we could do it humanely we don't have to cause them so much pain and terror before they die,just to give us our jollies,the slaughter of farm animals is SUPPOSED to adhere to strict rules and we have to trust in other humans to follow that(although we know it doesn't always happen as humans cant be trusted,as for wild life ,why cant humans just keep their greedy,vile mitts to themselves and let things be instead of disguising a barbaric trade as sport,the elephant trade in ivory is abhorrent too as is most killing of animals,we are supposed to know better.

[Kizzy]

I don't like that we kill anything but at least we could do it humanely we don't have to cause them so much pain and terror before they die,just to give us our jollies,the slaughter of farm animals is SUPPOSED to adhere to strict rules and we have to trust in other humans to follow that(although we know it doesn't always happen as humans cant be trusted,as for wild life ,why cant humans just keep their greedy,vile mitts to themselves and let things be instead of disguising a barbaric trade as sport,the elephant trade in ivory is abhorrent too as is most killing of animals,we are supposed to know better.

Well said Kazanne! :clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[user104658]

Is killing an elephant for ivory really any different to killing a cow for leather, though?

[Livia]

Is killing an elephant for ivory really any different to killing a cow for leather, though?

Leather is a by product of beef, cattle are bred for beef. If they weren't bred for beef the cows that make our beef burgers and leather boots would not exist. Elephants are wild animals and hunters take only the tusk. I can't believe I've actually written that considering you really must be joking.

[Kizzy]

Is killing an elephant for ivory really any different to killing a cow for leather, though?

yes.

[user104658]

Leather is a by product of beef, cattle are bred for beef. If they weren't bred for beef the cows that make our beef burgers and leather boots would not exist. Elephants are wild animals and hunters take only the tusk. I can't believe I've actually written that considering you really must be joking.
Again: do you think any of this matters to the Cow?

[user104658]

In simple terms, why is a killing bad for any individual (personal connection aside) other than the creature itself that is losing its life?

And, then, why does it matter whether the creature losing its life was bred for slaughter or living wild?

[Withano]

i don't see how it's more wrong than killing a helpless animal like a cow just because you like the taste of it's meat. have you eaten any cow lately? do you have any beef, or chicken, or pork, or any other dead animal, in your fridge at the moment?

Theres no way you believe the dribble you're writing haha.

[Ammi]

..it was a senseless, pointless, mindless, needless and everything else-less killing..it was a cruel and cowardly killing of a ‘vulnerable’..it matters not how powerful a beast a lion is because when something becomes hunted, they become prey and they are the weaker..this dentist didn’t need to kill the lion to eat, he didn’t need to kill the lion to protect, either human life or livelihood..he only killed it for the adrenalin rush and to try to feel an inflated penis size when he admires his ‘wall of death’..let’s not compare this to any other animal killing that it’s being tried to be compared to because however debatable those situation are, there is no ‘reasoning’ whatsoever with this killing…


..and when people feel abhorrence to acts like this, it’s got nothing to do with them feeling sorry for themselves because it will mean less lions to google and look at their pics or whatever suggested…the abhorrence comes because to many humans, they have to have an understanding of there being ‘a point’..a purpose etc or even a belief is something they can try to understand, regardless of whether they personally agree or not… but with this …with game hunting for self-gratification, there is nothing, absolutely nothing because it serves no purpose at all to anyone, it is taking life totally for self-indulgence and for the sake of taking life…

[Kazanne]

In simple terms, why is a killing bad for any individual (personal connection aside) other than the creature itself that is losing its life?

And, then, why does it matter whether the creature losing its life was bred for slaughter or living wild?

I am not on about an animal losing it's life I am on about the WAY an animal loses it's life,farm animals should be slaughtered humanely as they are bred for food,A cow is not shot with a crossbow and left lingering for 40 hours,then shot .Wildlife is different as it is not food,it is killed purely for men to gloat over their trophies,they pay a high price,but not as high as the animals pay.

[smudgie]

Hmmm, now they have killed his brother, Jericho.
Killing for food is one thing, man killing for vanity is another.

[Kizzy]

Hmmm, now they have killed his brother, Jericho.
Killing for food is one thing, man killing for vanity is another.

Despite reports that Cecil the lion’s “brother” Jericho had been shot dead by a poacher, a field researcher at Hwange Lion Research said on Saturday: “He looks alive and well.” Another conservation worker said the lion had been seen with a female earlier in the day, “probably mating”.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/01/jericho-not-dead-cecil-the-lion-zimbabwe

[user104658]

Despite reports that Cecil the lion’s “brother” Jericho had been shot dead by a poacher, a field researcher at Hwange Lion Research said on Saturday: “He looks alive and well.” Another conservation worker said the lion had been seen with a female earlier in the day, “probably mating”.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/01/jericho-not-dead-cecil-the-lion-zimbabwe
Hope he used a condom. This is in Africa, after all.

[MTVN]

Read an interesting article today about how most experts involved in conservation know that trophy hunting is not the main problem or the main threat to the lion and if you didn't have Americans willing to pay thousands of pounds to shoot them then both lions and the local areas could not be protected properly. And though everyone thinks they're cute and loveable animals but they wouldn't seem it if you were a local whose family and livelihood were under threat from them. Point remains of course that this guy acted illegally and that the hunting community are not famed for their ethics in their pursuits but a lot of the outrage is disproportionate especially given the little attention paid to a lot of human suffering around the world (as has been commented on)

This is the article for reference but its behind a paywall: http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/focus/article1588503.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2015_08_01

[smudgie]

Despite reports that Cecil the lion’s “brother” Jericho had been shot dead by a poacher, a field researcher at Hwange Lion Research said on Saturday: “He looks alive and well.” Another conservation worker said the lion had been seen with a female earlier in the day, “probably mating”.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/01/jericho-not-dead-cecil-the-lion-zimbabwe

I hope this is right.
I signed a petition/email from friends from Zim earlier today, it stated he had been killed.:shrug:

[Kizzy]

Read an interesting article today about how most experts involved in conservation know that trophy hunting is not the main problem or the main threat to the lion and if you didn't have Americans willing to pay thousands of pounds to shoot them then both lions and the local areas could not be protected properly. And though everyone thinks they're cute and loveable animals but they wouldn't seem it if you were a local whose family and livelihood were under threat from them. Point remains of course that this guy acted illegally and that the hunting community are not famed for their ethics in their pursuits but a lot of the outrage is disproportionate especially given the little attention paid to a lot of human suffering around the world (as has been commented on)

This is the article for reference but its behind a paywall: http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/focus/article1588503.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2015_08_01

Hmmm the times advocating hunting.. No, I'm not surprised. The organisers of these hunts are the philanthropists of the day saving the community from the constant threat of lion attacks?
There are conservation and wildlife charities as well as organisations and universities worldwide it's a shame the onus is put on the 'entrepreneur' who thought they could sell the right to a lion.
I agree that there has been more sympathy levelled at Cecil than the average human running for their life and that is sad.

[MTVN]

Hmmm the times advocating hunting.. No, I'm not surprised. The organisers of these hunts are the philanthropists of the day saving the community from the constant threat of lion attacks?
There are conservation and wildlife charities as well as organisations and universities worldwide it's a shame the onus is put on the 'entrepreneur' who thought they could sell the right to a lion.
I agree that there has been more sympathy levelled at Cecil than the average human running for their life and that is sad.

No that might not be their motive but it is still a product of what they do. Fact is if people didn't come to hunt then a lot of these parks would become unviable and not be able to function, they're often out in the most remote areas of African countries where hunter tourists provide the biggest source of income. If there are no efforts being made to regulate the lion population then yes they would become a big threat to local farmers and to their livestock. As long as the hunting is tightly controlled and restricted to older lions not younger ones then it can be part of efforts to protect lions and a lot of conservation experts realise that

[Kizzy]

No that might not be their motive but it is still a product of what they do. Fact is if people didn't come to hunt then a lot of these parks would become unviable and not be able to function, they're often out in the most remote areas of African countries where hunter tourists provide the biggest source of income. If there are no efforts being made to regulate the lion population then yes they would become a big threat to local farmers and to their livestock. As long as the hunting is tightly controlled and restricted to older lions not younger ones then it can be part of efforts to protect lions and a lot of conservation experts realise that

How much of the thousands paid to the trackers goes back into the local community?
There doesn't seem to be as much info on that, I haven't found any.