Cecil the Lion and a dead Sudanese Migrant?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you feel more remorse for the elongated death of Cecil the Lion than you do for the dead migrant in Calais?

if so why and so you feel any guilt about this?



http://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/07/28/04f80095-e880-4430-90f2-cb0c1995fd70/thumbnail/620x350/7fb462615a84ac2e919760b59ff4d950/cecil-and-lioness-brent-stapelkamp.jpg

[smudgie]

I don't feel remorse for any of it as I had nothing to do with it.
Both situations are sad, however, Cecil had no choice in the situation, the migrant did.:shrug:

[Kazanne]

Do you feel more remorse for the elongated death of Cecil the Lion than you do for the dead migrant in Calais?

if so why and so you feel any guilt about this?



http://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/07/28/04f80095-e880-4430-90f2-cb0c1995fd70/thumbnail/620x350/7fb462615a84ac2e919760b59ff4d950/cecil-and-lioness-brent-stapelkamp.jpg

Cecil in a heartbeat as he was not aware of the cruelty of man,the migrant took his chances and lost but was fully aware of what could happen.

[user104658]

I personally am not going to lose any sleep over either of them, but I expect most people will feel worse for Mr Lion, because we live in a society that personifies animals and dehumanises foreigners. Especially poor ones.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I personally am not going to lose any sleep over either of them, but I expect most people will feel worse for Mr Lion, because we live in a society that personifies animals and dehumanises foreigners. Especially poor ones.

Do you think a human life is more important than an animal one?

[Kazanne]

Do you think a human life is more important than an animal one?

Depends what human,some yes definitely animals are more important.

[user104658]

Do you think a human life is more important than an animal one?
Depends on the human, but in the absence of other evidence, yes.

[waterhog]

cecil was hunted - the immigrants are desperate and so unhappy with there lifes they risk losing there life to try and create a better one.

as you see 2 different arguments.

[Livia]

I personally am not going to lose any sleep over either of them, but I expect most people will feel worse for Mr Lion, because we live in a society that personifies animals and dehumanises foreigners. Especially poor ones.

Yeah, everyone anthropomorphises animals and dehumanises foreigners. Except you... right TS? You're just here to point out the error of our ways.

I don't have sympathy for the migrants in Calais because, as I've said, like, a squillion times, they crossed so many safe countries to get to Calais because they've heard about our benefits free-for-all. If you think they crossed those safe countries to try to come here for any other reason, you're dreaming.

Some of the wildlife in Africa has been almost wiped out by people who regard themselves as human - the dickless moron who shot the lion, for instance. I wouldn't want to anthropomorphise animals because humans generally, while being higher up the evolutionary chain, scrape the bottom when it comes to evil.

[user104658]

Yeah, everyone anthropomorphises animals and dehumanises foreigners. Except you... right TS? You're just here to point out the error of our ways.

I don't have sympathy for the migrants in Calais because, as I've said, like, a squillion times, they crossed so many safe countries to get to Calais because they've heard about our benefits free-for-all. If you think they crossed those safe countries to try to come here for any other reason, you're dreaming.

Some of the wildlife in Africa has been almost wiped out by people who regard themselves as human - the dickless moron who shot the lion, for instance. I wouldn't want to anthropomorphise animals because humans generally, while being higher up the evolutionary chain, scrape the bottom when it comes to evil.

"most people" =/= "everyone" Livia. I'm starting to think you've been out of education for too long, might be worth a refresher course of some sort? Rusty Rusty creaky creak.

And you're right, clearly Cecil hasn't been anthropomorphed. Cecil. Cecil, Livia. Cecil the Lion has not been given any human qualities for the sake of endearment at all. Cecil.

... Anyway, Lions (and all cats) actually have a quite strong tendency to "play with" and torture their kills until they get bored and eat it. They specifically keep it alive, for fun. Most creatures are pretty evil :shrug:.

[Livia]

"most people" =/= "everyone" Livia. I'm starting to think you've been out of education for too long, might be worth a refresher course of some sort? Rusty Rusty creaky creak.

And you're right, clearly Cecil hasn't been anthropomorphed. Cecil. Cecil, Livia. Cecil the Lion has not been given any human qualities for the sake of endearment at all. Cecil.

... Anyway, Lions (and all cats) actually have a quite strong tendency to "play with" and torture their kills until they get bored and eat it. They specifically keep it alive, for fun. Most creatures are pretty evil :shrug:.

Your jibes at my education and intelligence genuinely make me laugh.

Calling something by a name does not equate to anthropomorphisation. My car had a name. Do I think I saw any human qualities in it? No I did not. Mountains have names. Lakes have names. Oceans have names. Countries have names...

There aren't that many animals in the world that kill for fun with no intention of eating their prey and by far the sickest of them all is the human race.

[Jay.]

I don't mean any offence but I don't feel any remorse for either, I didn't know the lion up until the news broke and and loads of migrants die? I don't know either personally, I try not to get too attached to the news. I know people will have altering opinions, but this is just my view.

Yeah, sad things happen, but I don't know the people/animals personally, I feel sad for a second but move on with my day...

I may sound stupid saying that, but honestly, people die everyday. Bad things happen in the news everyday, it's just life surely? idk.

[waterhog]

its nice to have compassion for others.

[user104658]

Your jibes at my education and intelligence genuinely make me laugh.

I'm sure they're transcendent or something. I was only worried because you read - even quoted - one phrase ("most people") and misinterpreted it as another ("everyone"). However, given your supreme intellect and the wealth of letters both before and after your name, I can only assume that you were being disingenuous rather than simply stupid.

Calling something by a name does not equate to anthropomorphisation. My car had a name. Do I think I saw any human qualities in it? No I did not. Mountains have names. Lakes have names. Oceans have names. Countries have names...

They do indeed. None of them are "Cecil" or anything approaching Cecil. Cecil. Cecil, the Lion. Errhhhhhh.

There aren't that many animals in the world that kill for fun with no intention of eating their prey and by far the sickest of them all is the human race.

There are plenty of animals that do actually, though it could be argued that they do so instinctually as a form of practice. Then again, along the same lines you could argue that humans are instinctually driven to do the same, as we are after all omnivorous animals when you strip it right back.

I'm not going to disagree that humans can be the most capable of cruelty and depravity of any animal. Like I also said, "it depends on the human", there are plenty of human lives I'd gladly see traded for poor noble Cecil's. Serial killers, Child abusers, Iain Duncan Smith, etc... However, there is absolutely no evidence at all that this unfortunate, faceless, NAMELESS immigrant at Calais was any of those things, or anything more than a desperate person hopelessly seeking a better life. So yeah. It's worse than a lion.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I don't understand why people care so much about this. Humans are ****ing weird.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I personally am not going to lose any sleep over either of them, but I expect most people will feel worse for Mr Lion, because we live in a society that personifies animals and dehumanises foreigners. Especially poor ones.

Preach!

[Kizzy]

I can see some similarities in hunted animals and refugees, both are killed as trophies for some, as beasts to be controlled or eradicated by others.

[arista]

The migrant is Illegal

[user104658]

The migrant is Illegal
Me and Cecil pay no heed to your petty Human laws.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't mean any offence but I don't feel any remorse for either, I didn't know the lion up until the news broke and and loads of migrants die? I don't know either personally, I try not to get too attached to the news. I know people will have altering opinions, but this is just my view.

Yeah, sad things happen, but I don't know the people/animals personally, I feel sad for a second but move on with my day...

I may sound stupid saying that, but honestly, people die everyday. Bad things happen in the news everyday, it's just life surely? idk.

Yes around 50,000 humans die each day and around 20,000 are children

How did you feel when 7/7 happened?

[Kizzy]

Is 7/7 highlighted because it happened in Britain? When refugees are regarded as cockroaches I think it's safe to say that many can easily distance themselves emotionally from issues facing those overseas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is 7/7 highlighted because it happened in Britain? When refugees are regarded as cockroaches I think it's safe to say that many can easily distance themselves emotionally from issues facing those overseas.

When refugees are regarded as cockroaches

Perhaps you would care to elaborate here and say who regards them as such?

[Kizzy]

When refugees are regarded as cockroaches

Perhaps you would care to elaborate here and say who regards them as such?

Katie Hopkins for one, I'm sure she's not alone however.

[Jay.]

Yes around 50,000 humans die each day and around 20,000 are children

How did you feel when 7/7 happened?

Sad for the people, but then I moved on. I hate to sound heartless or anything, but bad things like ISIS are happening all of the time, it would be stupid to let any of it get to you, in my opinion, when you have so much going on within your own life to stress about, The people who know someone who has been hurt/was part of any of these big news events will of course feel something a lot more intense, as would I. But I can't say I was left sad for days, it's more of a case of reading a sad news story and feeling sad for a second before moving onto the next story.

Idk how this is coming across but I'm not heartless or s/t, I'm just used to it now? idk.

[Kizzy]

Sad for the people, but then I moved on. I hate to sound heartless or anything, but bad things like ISIS are happening all of the time, it would be stupid to let any of it get to you, in my opinion, when you have so much going on within your own life to stress about, The people who know someone who has been hurt/was part of any of these big news events will of course feel something a lot more intense, as would I. But I can't say I was left sad for days, it's more of a case of reading a sad news story and feeling sad for a second before moving onto the next story.

Idk how this is coming across but I'm not heartless or s/t, I'm just used to it now? idk.

I'd say it was healthy, you were empathic and then continued with your day.. dwelling on situations beyond your control wouldn't do much good for your mental health.

[Livia]

I'm sure they're transcendent or something. I was only worried because you read - even quoted - one phrase ("most people") and misinterpreted it as another ("everyone"). However, given your supreme intellect and the wealth of letters both before and after your name, I can only assume that you were being disingenuous rather than simply stupid.



They do indeed. None of them are "Cecil" or anything approaching Cecil. Cecil. Cecil, the Lion. Errhhhhhh.



There are plenty of animals that do actually, though it could be argued that they do so instinctually as a form of practice. Then again, along the same lines you could argue that humans are instinctually driven to do the same, as we are after all omnivorous animals when you strip it right back.

I'm not going to disagree that humans can be the most capable of cruelty and depravity of any animal. Like I also said, "it depends on the human", there are plenty of human lives I'd gladly see traded for poor noble Cecil's. Serial killers, Child abusers, Iain Duncan Smith, etc... However, there is absolutely no evidence at all that this unfortunate, faceless, NAMELESS immigrant at Calais was any of those things, or anything more than a desperate person hopelessly seeking a better life. So yeah. It's worse than a lion.

You know, you could have had a wealth of letters after your name too. It's not my fault you haven't.

1) You said "we live in a society that personifies animals and dehumanises foreigners". You didn't refer to "part" of that society, you referred to society itself.

2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Lake

3) Still waiting for someone to tell me regarding these unfortunate faceless (not nameless, they all have names) tide of immigrants at Calais... how many "safe" countries did they pass through to get to Calais and why do they want to come here?

[lostalex]

i honestly don't care about either. but maybe i'm desensitized from watching too many hollywood movies, and listening to too much popular music, and playing too many video games.

[user104658]

You know, you could have had a wealth of letters after your name too. It's not my fault you haven't. I'm not jealous of you Livia? Are you bragging? I'm not sure what you think is going on here, but it wasn't me getting uppity about someone "questioning my intelligence". I'm quite secure without the letters, frankly.

1) You said "we live in a society that personifies animals and dehumanises foreigners". You didn't refer to "part" of that society, you referred to society itself.

That would surely suggest "society at large", a majority (or, "most"?) or the general status quo. Again it in no way infers that I think anything at all about "everyone" or being unique in my thinking. There are people on this tiny forum who roughly share many of my opinions so I would assume that there might be a few more globally :shrug:.

2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Lake

Touche... That's an even worse name for a lake than it is for a lion, though.

3) Still waiting for someone to tell me regarding these unfortunate faceless (not nameless, they all have names) tide of immigrants at Calais... how many "safe" countries did they pass through to get to Calais and why do they want to come here?

If they all have names then why are they rarely if ever named by the press? You can argue "names unknown" but, being realistic, let's not pretend that the journalists (or the readers) have made or are even vaguely interested in making any attempt to find out those names.

I'm also not sure why them having passed through other safe countries to come here is relevant, in any way, to whether or not they deserve to die.

I think you also want the answer to be "benefits" but that is in fact not the answer at all, it's much more commonly because Britain has an absolutely thriving off-the-books shadow economy where these people can find work (often for less than half of minimum wage) and can stay off the radar. A shadow economy that is growing rapidly thanks to Tory cuts, actually.

[Livia]

TS, I don't think you're jealous of me. It's just that at every opportunity you refer to my education so please, don't infer that I started this. I never refer to your education and only did today because your first comment said maybe I've been out of education too long and I'm creaky and rusty. You do it a lot... and I'm bored with it.

Now we're down to arguing semantics. I've said my piece on this. We disagree. Full stop.

[user104658]

TS, I don't think you're jealous of me. It's just that at every opportunity you refer to my education so please, don't infer that I started this. I never refer to your education and only did today because your first comment said maybe I've been out of education too long and I'm creaky and rusty. You do it a lot... and I'm bored with it.

Now we're down to arguing semantics. I've said my piece on this. We disagree. Full stop.
That was a jibe about your age, not your education. All this arguing over a simple misunderstanding!

[Livia]

That was a jibe about your age, not your education. All this arguing over a simple misunderstanding!

I am a 21 year old.


With 14 years more experience.

[lewis111]

Not for any particular reason but I was more upset at the news of the lion being killed. Possibly because I found it more shocking that a man would pay a lot of money to kill a creature, or because it was a purposeful death whereas the migrant dying was an accident (I think anyway)

[user104658]

Not for any particular reason but I was more upset at the news of the lion being killed. Possibly because I found it more shocking that a man would pay a lot of money to kill a creature, or because it was a purposeful death whereas the migrant dying was an accident (I think anyway)
I guess those are good points really, at least Robert the Migrant (I have named him. His name was Robert Paulson.) wasn't hunted so there is a difference fundamentally there.

And the fact that this guy paid a five figure sum to kill a lion is completely obscene. An amount that an entire family could live on comfortably for a year in the UK and for a hell of a lot longer in Africa. That's a whole different thread about the effects of capitalism, consumerism and decadence though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think we should start hunting dentists

vile overcharging money grabbings bastards

the whole lot of em

[user104658]

I am a 21 year old.


With 14 years more experience.
If my maths is right, you're a good decade younger than I thought :joker:

[Kazanne]

Your jibes at my education and intelligence genuinely make me laugh.

Calling something by a name does not equate to anthropomorphisation. My car had a name. Do I think I saw any human qualities in it? No I did not. Mountains have names. Lakes have names. Oceans have names. Countries have names...

There aren't that many animals in the world that kill for fun with no intention of eating their prey and by far the sickest of them all is the human race.

:clap1::clap1:

[Niamh.]

I think the loss of a human life is worse

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think the loss of a human life is worse

worse why?

[Niamh.]

worse why?

Because I am a human and human life is more important to me, not in 100% of cases but in general

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because I am a human and human life is more important to me, not in 100% of cases but in general

As a human should we not realise that all life is equal and that no hierarchy exists

all life is in fact worthless and a result of time, chemicals, minerals and gravity

[Niamh.]

As a human should we not realise that all life is equal and that no hierarchy exists

all life is in fact worthless and a result of time, chemicals, minerals and gravity

It's not about a hierarchy, I just value human life more because I am one and am able to have different and more in depth relationships with other humans. That's not to say I don't value animal life at all

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not about a hierarchy, I just value human life more because I am one and am able to have different and more in depth relationships with other humans. That's not to say I don't value animal life at all

what about humans who rape children

would you value their life before that of say a White Rhino?

[Niamh.]

what about humans who rape children

would you value their life before that of say a White Rhino?

No I wouldn't but I did say when answering the question originally

Because I am a human and human life is more important to me, not in 100% of cases but in general

[Livia]

If my maths is right, you're a good decade younger than I thought :joker:

Wow... I'm not sure whether to be insulted or not.

I'm 35.

[Ninastar]

Wow... I'm not sure whether to be insulted or not.

I'm 35.

basically an OAJ (old aged jew) either way

[Livia]

basically an OAJ (old aged jew) either way

I thought by the time I got to this age be wise. But no... here I am. On TiBB.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I thought by the time I got to this age be wise. But no... here I am. On TiBB.

You are celebrating the 14th year of being 21

[Livia]

You are celebrating the 14th year of being 21

I'm twentyfifteen, thank you very much.

[user104658]

Wow... I'm not sure whether to be insulted or not.

I'm 35.
I don't know anyone on here's actual age so I just guess based on random information. If it helps, I added 5 years for being a Tory and another 5 because you always wear suits.

Also, it could be worse, until recently I had LT in his late 50s, and my TiBB world fell apart when The Truth mentioned having siblings with young kids, because I thought he was about 70.

[Livia]

I don't know anyone on here's actual age so I just guess based on random information. If it helps, I added 5 years for being a Tory and another 5 because you always wear suits.

Also, it could be worse, until recently I had LT in his late 50s, and my TiBB world fell apart when The Truth mentioned having siblings with young kids, because I thought he was about 70.

Five years sounds about right for the Tory thing. I only wear suits for work, so probably 2.5 years would have been enough for that.

I think you're in your late 20s... but I think I read that somewhere.

[user104658]

Five years sounds about right for the Tory thing. I only wear suits for work, so probably 2.5 years would have been enough for that.

I think you're in your late 20s... but I think I read that somewhere.
30 two months ago. ANCIENT.

[Livia]

30 two months ago. ANCIENT.

You're just a pup.

[lostalex]

i'm 33. jan. 26 1982 aquarius.

[Livia]

i'm 33. jan. 26 1982 aquarius.

Quite a few thirty-somethings on here... it's nice that we have a good mix of ages.

[smudgie]

Perhaps Cecil got his name for a joke, or even an honour.....it was after all the name of the founder of Rhodesia.:shrug:

[GypsyGoth]

I felt more about the killing of Cecil.

The migrant doesn't even have a name. And they are constantly referred to as the migrants, as if they're not exactly human.

[Cherie]

I don't understand why people care so much about this. Humans are ****ing weird.

So you don't care that some animals are being hunted to extinction and in our live time it is possible some well known animals will no longer exist I find that ****ing weird

[Cherie]

I think the loss of a human life is worse

If the human was injured and then stalked for two days and then killed then yes it would equate as I see it the guy rolled the dice and lost, his choice.

[arista]

I felt more about the killing of Cecil.

The migrant doesn't even have a name. And they are constantly referred to as the migrants, as if they're not exactly human.


Yes Illegal Migrant

[GypsyGoth]

Yes Illegal Migrant

:laugh:

I guess it was his destiny.

[the truth]

Im more emotionally affected by the murder of cecil

[Ninastar]

I thought by the time I got to this age be wise. But no... here I am. On TiBB.

hahaha bless. I am only messing wiv ya!!!!!!!!

[Ammi]

..I would feel sadness for both, for different reasons...

..I think that a basic human ability is to feel compassion/empathy in something that is relatable within themselves...if a human or an animal is dead, then they are dead and they feel nothingness so the empathy largely comes from relating to emotions that will be with family/friends etc and relating to that and how we personally think we would feel/the devastation etc...so even if it was a 'bad' person like a serial killer etc, I may not feel any sense of loss as such for them but I still would feel empathy for their families who saw the best in them, whose worlds were shattered not only by their loved ones death but by the things they did in life as well ...

..with the lion, obviously it's a feeling of sadness that there are people who would strive (for pleasure/self gratification..)...to assist the reduction in species that should be protected/he was being protected but that didn't make a difference alas...but as 'bad' as humans can be, it's also humans who are good and trying to protect against these thing happening as much as they can....

[Niamh.]

..I would feel sadness for both, for different reasons...



..I think that a basic human ability is to feel compassion/empathy in something that is relatable within themselves...if a human or an animal is dead, then they are dead and they feel nothingness so the empathy largely comes from relating to emotions that will be with family/friends etc and relating to that and how we personally think we would feel/the devastation etc...so even if it was a 'bad' person like a serial killer etc, I may not feel any sense of loss as such for them but I still would feel empathy for their families who saw the best in them, whose worlds were shattered not only by their loved ones death but by the things they did in life as well ...



..with the lion, obviously it's a feeling of sadness that there are people who would strive (for pleasure/self gratification..)...to assist the reduction in species that should be protected/he was being protected but that didn't make a difference alas...but as 'bad' as humans can be, it's also humans who are good and trying to protect against these thing happening as much as they can....


Yeah great post Ammi, that's pretty much how I feel about it

[armand.kay]

The migrant story was one of the few things on the news that managed to actually really upset me. I Felt so bad for the migrants because I can imagin dying in those situations must be horrific. I was also disgusted by most people not even giving a **** about them (some cared more about the fact we were funding rescue missions etc) also how people and the media dehumanised them was awful.

With the lion I am more furious and not actually that sad for the loin. I'm furious that people feel so ****ing entitled that they think it's alright to do something like that and for no good reason also just for their entertainment.

[Lostie!]

I don't understand why people care so much about this. Humans are ****ing weird.

Because some people value animal life. I fail to see how that's "****ing weird".

Hold a differing viewpoint by all means, but instantly resorting to insulting the believers of an opposite view is just juvenile and extremely ignorant.

[Livia]

Because some people value animal life. I fail to see how that's "****ing weird".

Hold a differing viewpoint by all means, but instantly resorting to insulting the believers of an opposite view is just juvenile and extremely ignorant.

I agree 100%, Lostie. Good post.

[Tom4784]

Most people are obviously going to go with the lion, our media is nothing if not cruel to the plight of migrants and it doesn't surprise me to see that the person who died in Calais has yet to be named or even humanised in the media. It's hard to get upset about a tragedy when the victim is presented as nothing more than a statistic.

[Kazanne]

Because some people value animal life. I fail to see how that's "****ing weird".

Hold a differing viewpoint by all means, but instantly resorting to insulting the believers of an opposite view is just juvenile and extremely ignorant.

:clap1:

[Livia]

Most people are obviously going to go with the lion, our media is nothing if not cruel to the plight of migrants and it doesn't surprise me to see that the person who died in Calais has yet to be named or even humanised in the media. It's hard to get upset about a tragedy when the victim is presented as nothing more than a statistic.

I don't think it has to be an either/or situation. It's hard to quantify outrage. Of course I feel a certain amount of sympathy for the migrant, although he did know what he was doing carried a risk and he went for it anyway. Had he stopped at the first safe country to give him refuge things might have worked out differently for him, he made a choice. But that doesn't mean I don't care that he died. The lion on the other hand was baited, terribly injured weith a crossbow bolt, tracked for forty hours and then killed with a gun... for fun.

[Suze]

I don't think it has to be an either/or situation. It's hard to quantify outrage. Of course I feel a certain amount of sympathy for the migrant, although he did know what he was doing carried a risk and he went for it anyway. Had he stopped at the first safe country to give him refuge things might have worked out differently for him, he made a choice. But that doesn't mean I don't care that he died. The lion on the other hand was baited, terribly injured weith a crossbow bolt, tracked for forty hours and then killed with a gun... for fun.

Perfectly put Livia, I agree with your post.

[Tom4784]

I don't think it has to be an either/or situation. It's hard to quantify outrage. Of course I feel a certain amount of sympathy for the migrant, although he did know what he was doing carried a risk and he went for it anyway. Had he stopped at the first safe country to give him refuge things might have worked out differently for him, he made a choice. But that doesn't mean I don't care that he died. The lion on the other hand was baited, terribly injured weith a crossbow bolt, tracked for forty hours and then killed with a gun... for fun.

I'm not saying either is the right or wrong choice. I'm just pointing out that it's not much of a choice to make with what we know due to bias in the media.

[Livia]

I'm not saying either is the right or wrong choice. I'm just pointing out that it's not much of a choice to make with what we know due to bias in the media.

I think most people with half a brain know only too well what the British media is like. They suck the big one, generally.

[user104658]

To be fair, this dentist guy shouldn't even get bragging rights, he clearly wanted to hunt a lion with a crossbow and failed miserably so had to resort to a gun. I wonder what he would have gone for next had he failed to shoot it? I recon landmines or a small tactical missile.

[Livia]

To be fair, this dentist guy shouldn't even get bragging rights, he clearly wanted to hunt a lion with a crossbow and failed miserably so had to resort to a gun. I wonder what he would have gone for next had he failed to shoot it? I recon landmines or a small tactical missile.

Airstrike. To make sure. He'd probably get the coordinates wrong.