Married lesbian model and her wife are BOTH pregnant by the same sperm donor.

[Merry Mockmas]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3178822/Married-lesbian-model-wife-pregnant-sperm-donor-time.html

at the same time.

A married lesbian couple used the same sperm donor to start a family – and are now both pregnant at the same time.

Stephanie Armstrong and civil partner Randa conceived with the help of a ‘shy’ science student they contacted through a website.

Stephanie, 25, is now 29 weeks pregnant with a boy while Randa, 31, had her 12-week scan this month confirming she is also expecting.
Randa Armstrong, 31, (pictured) and wife Stephanie, 25, from Galashiels, are expecting babies just three months apart after conceiving through a 'shy' 24-year-old science student donor they found on a website
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Randa Armstrong, 31, (pictured) and wife Stephanie, 25, from Galashiels, are expecting babies just three months apart after conceiving through a 'shy' 24-year-old science student donor they found on a website

The couple, who married at a civil ceremony in 2013, want their children to call them ‘mummy Steph’ and ‘mummy Randa’ and plan to have both their names on the birth certificates.

The father, aged 24, has signed an agreement saying he will have no part in the children’s lives and the women have pledged not to seek any financial support from him.

The couple admit ‘a lot of people’ find their approach to starting a family ‘unusual’, but Stephanie said: ‘We wanted the children to be blood-related.

‘I’m having a boy so we are hoping Randa will have a girl. A lot of people have said it’s kind of like having twins.’

The pair, from Galashiels, Scotland, met through the internet in 2009 and, having decided they both wanted children and to ‘share the experience’ of pregnancy, first considered having IVF on the NHS.

But after being told they faced a wait of up to three years and would have to choose which of them would become the mother, they explored alternative means on the internet.

They found the Known Donor Registry website, which allows people hoping to become parents to see profiles of potential donors and to arrange to meet for free. Site users make their own legal arrangements about the level of contact the donor can play in rearing the children.

Randa, who has worked as a lingerie model, told The Sun: ‘We picked a science student who didn’t smoke or drink. We thought he’d be fit enough to make it happen. We found that he had a brain… and also had the same colour hair as Stephanie. He was also willing to help, so he ticked every box.’

Their first meeting with the Scots-born donor – who said he was not in a relationship and from Edinburgh – was ‘awkward’ but Randa said: ‘We needed a baby.’
The pair (pictured), from Galashiels, Scotland, met through the internet in 2009 and, having decided they both wanted children and to ‘share the experience’ of pregnancy, found a donor from the Known Donor Registry site
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The pair (pictured), from Galashiels, Scotland, met through the internet in 2009 and, having decided they both wanted children and to ‘share the experience’ of pregnancy, found a donor from the Known Donor Registry site
Randa, 31 (pictured) and her wife Stephanie, 25, have both become pregnant by the same sperm donor
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Randa, 31 (pictured) and her wife Stephanie, 25, have both become pregnant by the same sperm donor
The couple began looking online for a donor when they were told they faced a three-year wait for IVF

The couple began looking online for a donor when they were told they faced a three-year wait for IVF

The couple inseminated each other following visits from the donor, who was not paid for his services and lived just 35 miles away from their flat. ‘He was a shy guy but we could just tell he wanted to help.

‘We had a cuppa and he did his thing,’ said Randa. Stephanie became pregnant at the second attempt in January having failed to conceive after the first time the donor visited their home last October. Randa conceived three times but miscarried in the early stages of pregnancy each time.
THE KNOWN DONOR REGISTRY

Known Donor Registry is a free website which allows hopeful parents to search for donor candidates.

The site was launched by Beth Gardner in 2010, when she wanted to start a family.

The forum is designed to give advice to those seeking to find a donor but does not make the arrangements.

All site users have to make their own legal arrangements, including whether the donor will be involved after the birth.

After Stephanie conceived, they decided Randa would take a break from trying again as they felt having a gap between the babies would be preferable so they could support each other.

Randa, originally from Libya, finally conceived in April. She revealed a strange craving for olives – at one point munching her way through two big jars in one go. ‘I’ve been craving them throughout my pregnancy and also want to eat loads of pizza,’ she said.

The couple, who say they have been supported by some family members and friends, plan to attend each other’s respective ante-natal classes.

Randa, who said the pair also compare each other’s bumps, added: ‘I’m going to be in holding her hand when she gives birth and recording it. Because Stephanie is three months in front of me she knows exactly what is happening with me and we can support each other.

‘All our chat is about babies at the moment’.

Stephanie’s baby is due in October and Randa’s in January. Stephanie said: ‘We are really looking forward to bringing them home, especially the first night when we have both together. That will be the best part.’

Kinky.:evilgrin:

[Calderyon]

Randa looks hot.

[Marsh.]

Caitlin and Hannah got busy quickly.

[the truth]

will the kids ever meet their dad, will he have any rights to see his kids?

[Cherry Christmas]

will the kids ever meet their dad, will he have any rights to see his kids?

The article says he has signed an agreement to play no part in their lives so I guess he did it for money?

Slow news day for the mail, and no Mock this isn't remotely kinky :unsure:

[Ninastar]

they will have 9 months of mood swings on both parts... pray for them

[Liam-]

Congrats to them :love:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

poor kids

[ChristmasNeeve]

poor kids


Why?

[Livia]

There's surely going to come a time when the children want to know who their Dad is. Seems odd to me that they want him to play no part at all in their lives when without him they wouldn't exist.

[Kizzy]

I think it's important a kid knows both parents I know a lot don't have the option but to actively exclude them I think is wrong.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/30/01/2AEEFBD700000578-3178822-image-m-47_1438215917913.jpg

[Livia]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/30/01/2AEEFBD700000578-3178822-image-m-47_1438215917913.jpg

I think her boots are on the wrong feet.

[lostalex]

The article says he has signed an agreement to play no part in their lives so I guess he did it for money?

Slow news day for the mail, and no Mock this isn't remotely kinky :unsure:

why would you guess that? the more likely explanation is he did it to help a loving couple who wanted to start a family.

I don't see anything shocking about this story. don't most children in a family have the same genetic father?

[lostalex]

I think it's important a kid knows both parents I know a lot don't have the option but to actively exclude them I think is wrong.

why is it wrong? being a family has nothing to do with being genetically related. You don't need to be genetically related to love another human being.

[Ninastar]

i think sperm donors have the option of choosing whether they have anything to do with their possible future kids or not. Most chose not to.

[Cherry Christmas]

why would you guess that? the more likely explanation is he did it to help a loving couple who wanted to start a family.

I don't see anything shocking about this story. don't most children in a family have the same genetic father?

I'm speculating just as you are :hee: and no I don't find the story remotely interesting or anyway shocking

[Kizzy]

why is it wrong? being a family has nothing to do with being genetically related. You don't need to be genetically related to love another human being.

Who said they did? I feel for the kid when they wonder who is my dad? I hope there's still the option open for the child to look for the guy should they ever want to.

[Moosething]

so what

[the truth]

kids going grow up confused and fatherless, tragic

[Marsh.]

kids going grow up confused and fatherless, tragic

The babies don't need an evil man in their life ruining their childhood.

[the truth]

The babies don't need an evil man in their life ruining their childhood.

I wasn't talking about YOU
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL:cheer2::cheer2::joker:

[Marsh.]

I wasn't talking about YOU
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL:cheer2::cheer2::joker:

I know, we were talking about you. :unsure:

[MB.]

Lebanese people disgust me

[MB.]

(just curious, the_truth (why do I do these things to myself)... would you feel the same if it were two guys in a situation like this? Not both pregnant, I mean)

[the truth]

(just curious, the_truth (why do I do these things to myself)... would you feel the same if it were two guys in a situation like this? Not both pregnant, I mean)

YES. at the very least both parents should be involved at some stage in the upbringing of the child. what happens when the child wants to meet his real mam?

[MB.]

Then I'm sure they'd do what the child wanted to do and be honest as they can be, just because the donor or the surrogate wouldn't be a part of raising the child doesn't mean the parents have to lie to them or pretend they don't exist?

[the truth]

Then I'm sure they'd do what the child wanted to do and be honest as they can be, just because the donor or the surrogate wouldn't be a part of raising the child doesn't mean the parents have to lie to them or pretend they don't exist?

then adopt unwanted children this sperm donor stuff is pretty bizarre....buying sperm off a stranger ? when do they tell the baby, why not just adopt a baby unwanted or from a family or mother / father who cant cope with bringing up a baby, theres millions who need a home. don't get me wrong if everyone is happy then im happy. You cant help wondering what the child thinks of it all when he grows up

[Ammi]

...well good luck to them if they make good parents...as much as they may be happy for the donor father not to have a part in any of their lives, he also is happy not to be by the sound of it so ok with 'donating' children to the world and then not to parent them.../so maybe a questionable influence in their lives anyway...



..just one thing about what truth said, I do agree in that there are many children already who need a loving family so adoption is also a thing to look at but I do know that it's not that easy for a gay couple to adopt a baby/maybe it's hard for every couple but I'm just saying that in particular because I know a gay couple going through the process of adoption atm..adopting older children is a bit easier though but the thing with that is that even at young ages like 2/3yrs old etc, those children can be very damaged by their past lives and to parent them takes 'skill sets' that not everyone has...so I think that has to be considered as well, that they need the right parents..so thinking of adoption as not necessarily the best for everyone sadly...

[Cherry Christmas]

It's not easy for anyone to adopt a child regardless of sexuality, the process is ridiculously over complicated and whilst it's good to carry out checks etc it's a shame the same effort doesn't go into vetting foster carers but that is another subject , in this case both women were capable of getting pregnant so they wanted their own child and who can blame them for wanting that. Having your own child doesn't preclude anyone from adopting a child yet very few opt to go down that route, so it's easy to say they should have adopted while sitting back.

[DemolitionRed]

Sometimes this forum feels like the catholic church.

Not only will those children have a half brother/sister but two loving parents. Why would parents have to be a male father and a female mother? why can't two parents of the same sex make perfectly good parents?

A child who is adopted will often try to trace their real parentage once they are old enough but that search often leads to disappointment and a further feeling of rejection. I'm sure that children born from sperm donation must wonder who their father is but the one thing they have that fully adopted children don't have, is at least one real parents raising them.

[Ammi]

Sometimes this forum feels like the catholic church.

Not only will those children have a half brother/sister but two loving parents. Why would parents have to be a male father and a female mother? why can't two parents of the same sex make perfectly good parents?

A child who is adopted will often try to trace their real parentage once they are old enough but that search often leads to disappointment and a further feeling of rejection. I'm sure that children born from sperm donation must wonder who their father is but the one thing they have that fully adopted children don't have, is at least one real parents raising them.

..sorry but I don't get that DR, there are many supportive posts in the thread for this couple and their decision...

[Cherry Christmas]

Sometimes this forum feels like the catholic church.

Not only will those children have a half brother/sister but two loving parents. Why would parents have to be a male father and a female mother? why can't two parents of the same sex make perfectly good parents?

A child who is adopted will often try to trace their real parentage once they are old enough but that search often leads to disappointment and a further feeling of rejection. I'm sure that children born from sperm donation must wonder who their father is but the one thing they have that fully adopted children don't have, is at least one real parents raising them.

Are Catholics not allowed free speech or to have a view? As Ammi says most posts are supportive and the non supportive ones are should equally be able to air their views without having to justify their faith

[smudgie]

I am really pleased for them.
Receiving donor sperm is no different to a woman receiving donor eggs to enable having children.
Having the children so close together is lovely for them as well.

[the truth]

Sometimes this forum feels like the catholic church.

Not only will those children have a half brother/sister but two loving parents. Why would parents have to be a male father and a female mother? why can't two parents of the same sex make perfectly good parents?

A child who is adopted will often try to trace their real parentage once they are old enough but that search often leads to disappointment and a further feeling of rejection. I'm sure that children born from sperm donation must wonder who their father is but the one thing they have that fully adopted children don't have, is at least one real parents raising them.

a typically bigoted post from the church of atheism and church of the loony liberal left....the kind of belief system that saw Britain become the breed for benefits, binge drinking and abortion capital of the world. pathetic nonsense.
partents don't HAVE to be male and female but that is the ideal as it offers more balance and gives the child a better understanding of both genders and 2 role models and guardians of both genders. if gay couples want children, they should adopt. this sperm donation business is absurd. these gay couples want everything on their terms without enough thought for the child. at least Madonna did adopt a poor child as did Angelina jolie and brad pitt. theres millions of babies who need a home. this set up is a mess.

[Tom4784]

So it's basically the real life version of 'The Kids Are Alright'?

Good for them, I don't think it's unfair on the children to not know who their biological father is, plenty of kids grow up with one parent just fine and these kids are going to have two loving parents so I don't see what the problem is, it's not like the father's been forced out of the picture, he's a sperm donor and they rarely have anything to do with the kids anyway.

[Kizzy]

So it's basically the real life version of 'The Kids Are Alright'?

Good for them, I don't think it's unfair on the children to not know who their biological father is, plenty of kids grow up with one parent just fine and these kids are going to have two loving parents so I don't see what the problem is, it's not like the father's been forced out of the picture, he's a sperm donor and they rarely have anything to do with the kids anyway.

'The father, aged 24, has signed an agreement saying he will have no part in the children’s lives'

The children won't sign any such agreement so hopefully should they wish to when they're older they could contact him. Everyone deserves to know where they come from if it's at all possible.

[Liam-]

'The father, aged 24, has signed an agreement saying he will have no part in the children’s lives'

The children won't sign any such agreement so hopefully should they wish to when they're older they could contact him. Everyone deserves to know where they come from if it's at all possible.

Isn't that just part of the regular sperm donor contract though? :shrug:

I'd imagine once the children reach a certain age they'll be told, even though I'm pretty sure they'll cotton on at one point that neither of their mummy's have a peen, it's the same with adopted kids I assume, one day they'll be told then it'll be down to them whether or not they seek out their biological father, I don't see the issue.

Would people be saying this about a straight couple having a sperm donor?

[Kizzy]

Isn't that just part of the regular sperm donor contract though? :shrug:

I'd imagine once the children reach a certain age they'll be told, even though I'm pretty sure they'll cotton on at one point that neither of their mummy's have a peen, it's the same with adopted kids I assume, one day they'll be told then it'll be down to them whether or not they seek out their biological father, I don't see the issue.

Would people be saying this about a straight couple having a sperm donor?

Yes, yes I would be saying the exact same thing no matter who it is if it's possible everyone should have access to their biological ancestry I think it's important.
I appreciate not everyone has the option but I do think it's natural to need to know where and who we came from.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

to be fair I think Lesbians should suffer vile little brats ruining their lives and costing them sleep and money like the rest of us


it will serve them both right

[Tom4784]

'The father, aged 24, has signed an agreement saying he will have no part in the children’s lives'

The children won't sign any such agreement so hopefully should they wish to when they're older they could contact him. Everyone deserves to know where they come from if it's at all possible.

So, a normal sperm donor agreement.

He won't get involved in their lives but the agreement doesn't prevent them from finding out about him and even making contact when they're old enough.

Why anyone would want to get in contact with their biological father if they were a sperm donor is beyond me. There'd be no connection there beyond DNA. I'd value the parents that actually raised me a lot more than a random sperm donor who doesn't know and wouldn't care that I existed.

[the truth]

So it's basically the real life version of 'The Kids Are Alright'?

Good for them, I don't think it's unfair on the children to not know who their biological father is, plenty of kids grow up with one parent just fine and these kids are going to have two loving parents so I don't see what the problem is, it's not like the father's been forced out of the picture, he's a sperm donor and they rarely have anything to do with the kids anyway.

your lying....its proven fact kids from 1 parent families who have no fathers or mothers are massively disadvantaged, clearly you don't care about that

[the truth]

Isn't that just part of the regular sperm donor contract though? :shrug:

I'd imagine once the children reach a certain age they'll be told, even though I'm pretty sure they'll cotton on at one point that neither of their mummy's have a peen, it's the same with adopted kids I assume, one day they'll be told then it'll be down to them whether or not they seek out their biological father, I don't see the issue.

Would people be saying this about a straight couple having a sperm donor?
a straight couple is far more regular , frequent and natural. kids brought up by a gay couple need it explained to them where they came from otherwise they'll have massive crisis of identity. its high time we ASKED THE KIDS AND ASKED THE KIDS WHO WERE RAISED BY GAY COUPLES FOR THEIR OPINIONS INSTEAD OF HAVING THESE OPINIONS RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS BY INTEREST GROUPS AND ACTIVISTS

[Marsh.]

your lying....its proven fact kids from 1 parent families who have no fathers or mothers are massively disadvantaged, clearly you don't care about that

I was raised by a single mother and was not disadvantaged in the slightest

I would have been worse off had my father stayed in our lives due to his lifestyle.

Don't assume you know anything about a vast and varied group of people all from very different sets of circumstances.

[the truth]

So, a normal sperm donor agreement.

He won't get involved in their lives but the agreement doesn't prevent them from finding out about him and even making contact when they're old enough.

Why anyone would want to get in contact with their biological father if they were sperm donor is beyond me. There'd be no connection there beyond DNA. I'd value the parents that actually raised me a lot more than a random sperm donor who doesn't know and wouldn't care that I existed.

who are you to say what these kids should or shouldn't want ? youre trying to act like a God. IF you really cared about these kids youd want to know what the kids want and how kids brought up by gay couples especialy sperm donors think of it all

[the truth]

I was raised by a single mother and was not disadvantaged in the slightest

I would have been worse off had my father stayed in our lives due to his lifestyle.

Don't assume you know anything about a vast and varied group of people all from very different sets of circumstances.

sadly it really shows

YOUre the one who assumes Im talking about the overall figures, kids overall are massively disadvantaged with a one parent family....try and drop the both chips you have and allow other kids the option of mother and father

[Marsh.]

sadly it really shows

Pardon?

YOUre the one who assumes Im talking about the overall figures, kids overall are massively disadvantaged with a one parent family....try and drop the both chips you have and allow other kids the option of mother and father

Erm, what? I haven't done any such thing.

Would you like to try again?

[the truth]

Pardon?



Erm, what? I haven't done any such thing.

Would you like to try again?

youre bitter , let kids have both parents let them not be disadvantaged

[Marsh.]

youre bitter , let kids have both parents let them not be disadvantaged

Where have I not allowed kids to have both parents?

I'm not bitter in the slightest. :unsure: I knew my father, he just had very little to no input in my life because I was better off without him.

It's called a counter argument to your insinuation that children with one parent are massively disadvantaged. Many are not, and many who come from two parent families end up disadvantaged.

[Liam-]

a straight couple is far more regular , frequent and natural. kids brought up by a gay couple need it explained to them where they came from otherwise they'll have massive crisis of identity. its high time we ASKED THE KIDS AND ASKED THE KIDS WHO WERE RAISED BY GAY COUPLES FOR THEIR OPINIONS INSTEAD OF HAVING THESE OPINIONS RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS BY INTEREST GROUPS AND ACTIVISTS

Here we go with the 'gay parents aren't normal' argument, calm yourself Mitt Romney.

It might take a man and a woman to create a child, but it doesn't take a man and a woman to raise a child, as long as said child or children are loved, then who gives a **** who's raising them?

You're telling me that every single child adopted, or conceived to a gay couple, will have an identity crisis? that's possibly the most idiotic thing I've ever seen you spout on here and that takes some doing.

The normal contractual agreement of donating sperm is that the donaters get paid to do it, but they also sign away any right of privileges over any child their sperm might happen to conceive, your idea that a child can't be raised in a household ran by a same sex couple without growing up to have issues or some sort of complexity, is staggering to say the least.

I've known people who have been adopted and when they reached a certain age, their parents gave them all the information they needed to try and locate their biological parents if they wanted to, which is the fairest way to do it, with sperm donations it's completely different, unless the sperm is personally chosen from someone the couple know, then all donations are anonymous, so with the contract and the anonymity, it would be near impossible for any donater to be tracked down, so the 'every child deserves to know their real parents' argument only really works with adoption I'm afraid.

Pop into the 21st century sometime, it's really nice here.

[Tom4784]

Oh Truth, you're so ridiculous that I can't get mad at you. I can only laugh. You're like Frankenstein's monster if it was created by the editor of the Daily Mail.

[Marsh.]

He tries so hard to be controversial I find it endearing tbh.

[JoshBB]

A couple are having two children. Why is this news tbh lmao

[JoshBB]

then adopt unwanted children this sperm donor stuff is pretty bizarre....buying sperm off a stranger ? when do they tell the baby, why not just adopt a baby unwanted or from a family or mother / father who cant cope with bringing up a baby, theres millions who need a home. don't get me wrong if everyone is happy then im happy. You cant help wondering what the child thinks of it all when he grows up

Why don't you go and adopt a bunch of children then? I mean, you're telling everyone else that they should be doing that instead of having children of their own, so why don't you take your own advice? Surely that would be beneficial to the 'unwanted children' (which really isn't a very nice term to use tbh).

[Merry Mockmas]

Where have I not allowed kids to have both parents?

I'm not bitter in the slightest. :unsure: I knew my father, he just had very little to no input in my life because I was better off without him.

It's called a counter argument to your insinuation that children with one parent are massively disadvantaged. Many are not, and many who come from two parent families end up disadvantaged.

His deliberately trying to get a reaction out of you Marsh.

[Marsh.]

His deliberately trying to get a reaction out of you Marsh.

I have to stop rising to it. :laugh:

[lostalex]

Who said they did? I feel for the kid when they wonder who is my dad? I hope there's still the option open for the child to look for the guy should they ever want to.

So what, all kids wonder things like that. plenty of kids wonder things like "what would my life be like is my mom was angelina jolie, or what if my dad was brad pitt" children fantasize about a million different lives, we all do. even sometimes we see our friends parents, and wish our parents where more like our friends parents. but the fact is you get stuck with the parents you have, no matter if they are lesbians or not, or if your are adopted or not.

I remember one of the most hurtful things i ever said to my mom growing up was " why can't you be more like daniel's mom! she is always home and she even takes us out for ice-cream, but you're always working!" i could see it immediately how it hurt her when i said it, and i regretted it immediately.
but the point is all kids wonder things like that an wish they had different parents in their fantasies.

[lostalex]

then adopt unwanted children this sperm donor stuff is pretty bizarre....buying sperm off a stranger ? when do they tell the baby, why not just adopt a baby unwanted or from a family or mother / father who cant cope with bringing up a baby, theres millions who need a home. don't get me wrong if everyone is happy then im happy. You cant help wondering what the child thinks of it all when he grows up

so what about all the kids born to unwed mothers from a one night stand or even a rape? what about all the kids who's father dies before the child is old enough to know them. that happens often to military families.

and what about all the kids who are born in a "1 man + 1 woman = happy family" relationship only it's not happy at all, their lives are filled with molestation and violence?

[lostalex]

Are Catholics not allowed free speech or to have a view? As Ammi says most posts are supportive and the non supportive ones are should equally be able to air their views without having to justify their faith

most catholics are not as closed minded as the stereotype, i think he was referring to the bigoted homophobic views held by the catholic church leadership, not most of the members.

[lostalex]

a straight couple is far more regular , frequent and natural. kids brought up by a gay couple need it explained to them where they came from otherwise they'll have massive crisis of identity. its high time we ASKED THE KIDS AND ASKED THE KIDS WHO WERE RAISED BY GAY COUPLES FOR THEIR OPINIONS INSTEAD OF HAVING THESE OPINIONS RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS BY INTEREST GROUPS AND ACTIVISTS

using caps doesn't make it true, and everything you just wrote is complete bull****.

[Marsh.]

so what about all the kids born to unwed mothers from a one night stand or even a rape? what about all the kids who's father dies before the child is old enough to know them. that happens often to military families.

and what about all the kids who are born in a "1 man + 1 woman = happy family" relationship only it's not happy at all, their lives are filled with molestation and violence?

I can already hear his response being furiously typed "It's the WOMAN'S FAULT :fist:"

[the truth]

so what about all the kids born to unwed mothers from a one night stand or even a rape? what about all the kids who's father dies before the child is old enough to know them. that happens often to military families.

and what about all the kids who are born in a "1 man + 1 woman = happy family" relationship only it's not happy at all, their lives are filled with molestation and violence?

cant take a person seriously who celebrates men being killed by aids, shame on you

[the truth]

I can already hear his response being furiously typed "It's the WOMAN'S FAULT :fist:"

manhater

[Kizzy]

So what, all kids wonder things like that. plenty of kids wonder things like "what would my life be like is my mom was angelina jolie, or what if my dad was brad pitt" children fantasize about a million different lives, we all do. even sometimes we see our friends parents, and wish our parents where more like our friends parents. but the fact is you get stuck with the parents you have, no matter if they are lesbians or not, or if your are adopted or not.

I remember one of the most hurtful things i ever said to my mom growing up was " why can't you be more like daniel's mom! she is always home and she even takes us out for ice-cream, but you're always working!" i could see it immediately how it hurt her when i said it, and i regretted it immediately.
but the point is all kids wonder things like that an wish they had different parents in their fantasies.

Wondering who your natural father is is not the same as wishing your mum was Angelina Jolie, or Daniels mum.

[lostalex]

Wondering who your natural father is is not the same as wishing your mum was Angelina Jolie, or Daniels mum.

how is it different? you have the parents you have. whether it's 2 happy heterosexuals or 2 happy homosexuals, or 1 happy single mother and a step family.

whether it;s a family with 1 mom and 1 child, or a family with 2 moms and 2 dads and 40 other family members that are always around.

every family is unique just like every person is unique.

there is no such thing as a perfect family.

no one of us gets the perfect mother or father, or school, or society, but we all do the best we can with what we have. and there's nothing wrong with that.

I know one thing for sure, kids are doing better than they ever have done. they have more protection and more opportunities than ever before in history.

and i know for sure that telling kids that there's something wrong with their family does NO GOOD for ANYONE.

so if you don't like someone else's family, keep it to yourself, because it's none of your business as long as no one is being hurt. and there is no evidence at all that any one is being hurt by having 2 moms, or 1 mom, or no moms.

[Kizzy]

how is it different? you have the parents you have. whether it's 2 happy heterosexuals or 2 happy homosexuals, or 1 happy single mother and a step family.

whether it;s a family with 1 mom and 1 child, or a family with 2 moms and 2 dads and 40 other family members that are always around.

every family is unique just like every person is unique.

there is no such thing as a perfect family.

no one of us gets the perfect mother or father, or school, or society, but we all do the best we can with what we have. and there's nothing wrong with that.

I'm not suggesting for a second they won't have a happy life and a loving family am I?...

I'm suggesting it's equally as natural to wonder about your biological parents if you'd never met them.

[lostalex]

I'm not suggesting for a second they won't have a happy life and a loving family am I?...

I'm suggesting it's equally as natural to wonder about your biological parents if you'd never met them.

i don't see what that has to do with this story. i know plenty of people who have 1 mom and 1 dad who wonder if maybe they were adopted and secretly their dad is david bowie. so ****ing what? what does it have to do with this story about 2 lesbians creating a family?

it has absolutely jack all to do with jack all. kids wonder, that's what kids do, but guess what, kids also have to accept the family that they have. period.

[Candy Annie Cane]

During my long experience with infertility and the IVF journey, I was offered sperm donation after failed attempts using my partners. As a woman desperate for a child, I was all for it but my partner was not as keen, his main argument against it was due to hi being worried that if the child got ill down the line and needed a donor or something, he would not be able to help the child as he hadn't biological link to it, not because it would not be "his". In the end my need for a baby and his hesitation split us up so I can understand any woman feeling the need to have their own child but I do understand some of the counter arguments having lived through it. We did look into adoption and started the process but it is so intrusive and feels a lot like you are scrutinised unfairly for not being able to conceive naturally. Good luck to these ladies though

[lostalex]

During my long experience with infertility and the IVF journey, I was offered sperm donation after failed attempts using my partners. As a woman desperate for a child, I was all for it but my partner was not as keen, his main argument against it was due to hi being worried that if the child got ill down the line and needed a donor or something, he would not be able to help the child as he hadn't biological link to it, not because it would not be "his". In the end my need for a baby and his hesitation split us up so I can understand any woman feeling the need to have their own child but I do understand some of the counter arguments having lived through it. We did look into adoption and started the process but it is so intrusive and feels a lot like you are scrutinised unfairly for not being able to conceive naturally. Good luck to these ladies though

i'm sorry you went through such a stressful event annie....

but i must ask, did you ever consider trying to get pregnant without him and just never telling a living soul, and do you think it would affect how much he loved the child at all? if he never knew it was;'t his but always believed the child was biologically his... assuming you didn't **** a black guy, do you really think he would have ever known or cared or loved the kid less just because it wasn't biologically his?

I watched a really interesting documentary called "Little White Lie" the other day...and the conclusion she came to, was that family has nothing to do with genetics.

"Little White Lie"

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[Candy Annie Cane]

i'm sorry you went through such a stressful event annie....

but i must ask, did you ever consider trying to get pregnant without him and just never telling a living soul, and do you think it would affect how much he loved the child at all? if he never knew it was;'t his but always believed the child was biologically his... assuming you didn't **** a black guy, do you really think he would have ever known or cared or loved the kid less just because it wasn't biologically his?

I watched a really interesting documentary called "Little White Lie" the other day...and the conclusion she came to, was that family has nothing to do with genetics.

"Little White Lie"

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No I didnt consider that....but in hindsight I am sure he wouldn't have loved the child any more or less but I personally could not have lived that life or lie. He has 2 kids from a previous relationship and I have since had my own child so I think at the end of the day, we were incompatible which was terribly sad as he was my best friend. :sad:

[Kizzy]

i don't see what that has to do with this story. i know plenty of people who have 1 mom and 1 dad who wonder if maybe they were adopted and secretly their dad is david bowie. so ****ing what? what does it have to do with this story about 2 lesbians creating a family?

it has absolutely jack all to do with jack all. kids wonder, that's what kids do, but guess what, kids also have to accept the family that they have. period.

It's not from the perspective of the parents.. whoever they may be, it's from the standpoint of the child, it's not good enough to suggest they put up and shut up when they question their heredity.

[lostalex]

It's not from the perspective of the parents.. whoever they may be, it's from the standpoint of the child, it's not good enough to suggest they put up and shut up when they question their heredity.

well if you want to know a child's perspective, i was adopted. and my mom (adopted mom) died when i was 23. i found my biological family when i was 32. and i can say with absolute certainty that my mom was my real mom and my biological family, are just some people i found online.

you should stop judging others people's families. and since when do you get to decide how other people raise their kids?

or maybe you think just because they are gay parents only str8 people should get to decide how kids are raised. if that's why, then you are a bigot.

If you want to decide how other people raise their kids, there are plenty of straight parents ruining their children lives, so why don't you focus on them!

I haven't seen one single credible argument why these 2 women aren't just as capable as anyone else raising kids.

[lostalex]

It's not from the perspective of the parents.. whoever they may be, it's from the standpoint of the child, it's not good enough to suggest they put up and shut up when they question their heredity.

actually it is good enough, because like i told you earlier, CHILDREN don't get to decide who their parents are. People don't get to pick their family. that is the case with all straight parents having kids. so why are you so worried about children of gay parents not getting to pick their parents?

you are making me angry now kizzy. i suggest you really read back your comments. feel free to apologize later.

[Kizzy]

well if you want to know a child's perspective, i was adopted. and my mom (adopted mom) died when i was 23. i found my biological family when i was 32. and i can say with absolute certainty that my mom was my real mom and my biological family, are just some people i found online.

you should stop judging others people's families. and since when do you get to decide how other people raise their kids?

or maybe you think just because they are gay parents only str8 people should get to decide how kids are raised. if that's why, then you are a bigot.

If you want to decide how other people raise their kids, there are plenty of straight parents ruining their children lives, so why don't you focus on them!

I haven't seen one single credible argument why these 2 women aren't just as capable as anyone else raising kids.

I haven't judged anyone, you're projecting onto me and I don't appreciate it.

[Kizzy]

actually it is good enough, because like i told you earlier, CHILDREN don't get to decide who their parents are. People don't get to pick their family. that is the case with all straight parents having kids. so why are you so worried about children of gay parents not getting to pick their parents?

you are making me angry now kizzy. i suggest you really read back your comments. feel free to apologize later.

Pick... Who mentioned anything about picking parents?
Not me.
I have nothing to aplogise for Alex, If you don't like my opinion on this then that's ok.

[lostalex]

well i don't agree with or like your opinions. i'm repulsed by them and i disagree with them completely.

[Kizzy]

well i don't agree with or like your opinions. i'm repulsed by them and i disagree with them completely.

That's fine, I can live with that.

[lostalex]

That's fine, I can live with that.

you should feel a bit bad about being wrong though. i think you should.

[Kizzy]

My opinion is my opinion who are you to said it's wrong?